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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grece. A dad literally bent over

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Speaker 1: in half, sobbing, wailing in grief at the discovery of

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Speaker 2: Or was he.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious

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Speaker 1: XEM one eleven.

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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: A local TV crew is on hand on Sunday, March fifth,

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Speaker 3: as law enforcement and volunteers gathered a search for five

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Speaker 3: year old Justin Turner. A man from WCBD Films as

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Speaker 3: Justin Turner's father, Victor, looks into a pickup truck camper

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Speaker 3: on the property. The camper has been searched before to

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Speaker 3: no avail, but this time Victor Turner leans into the

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Speaker 3: camper on one knee, looks into one specific place and

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Speaker 4: A sun's in there, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: According to Sheriff Dwayne Lewis, Victor Turner doesn't check for

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Speaker 3: a pulse or signs of life. He doesn't touch his

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Speaker 1: The horrible moment a five year old little boy is

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Speaker 1: found dead.

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Speaker 2: He's found dead in a camper and the first search

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Speaker 2: of the camper reveals nothing, but we're learning more.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Sheriff Dwayne Lewis with the Berkeley

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department.

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Speaker 5: Justin Turner.

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Speaker 6: Was reported missing on March third at three twelve pm

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Speaker 6: from his home here in Berkeley County.

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Speaker 5: Deputies arrived.

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Speaker 6: James Gather's first deputy on the scene, requested assistance and

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Speaker 6: got help from other deputies and members of the rescue squad.

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Speaker 6: DNR sled fire departments converged on the area searching for Justin.

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Speaker 5: He's five years old.

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Speaker 1: This case spans so many law enforcement departments. With me

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Speaker 1: and all start pandel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now. But first straight out to Nick Reagan,

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Speaker 1: WCSC journalist and morning breaking news anchor.

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Speaker 2: Nick, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the discovery of the little boy and

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Speaker 1: how does he go missing.

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Speaker 7: The situation was such that the law enforcement was called

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Speaker 7: out by Justin Turner's parents. They told him, They told

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Speaker 7: law enforcement that he had gotten on a school by,

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Speaker 7: went to school and never returned, and the Sheriff's office

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Speaker 7: came out and took statement, and then they began this search.

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Speaker 7: This two day long search. The first day revealed nothing.

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Speaker 7: The second day, as you heard, within honestly a few

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Speaker 7: is the scene that is the premise for how all

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Speaker 7: of this started. Of course, cracks in the case begin

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Speaker 1: So the little boy goes to school on the bus

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Speaker 1: and he's never seen again. That is eerily reminiscent of

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Speaker 1: another little boy. All of you legal eagles know very

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Speaker 1: well the name Kiren Horman.

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Speaker 2: Take a look. Listen to our cut one O four

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Speaker 2: to Chyron's bio.

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Speaker 8: Mom to the person or persons that have Kiren, I

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Speaker 8: miss my son so much that I can't breathe at times.

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Speaker 8: My heart aches every second of every day, and I

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Speaker 8: am afraid that I can't live without him. I know

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Speaker 8: that this situation has turned out much bigger than anyone

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Speaker 8: and help us find him. Think about Kiren. He needs

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Speaker 8: me as well. There are so many things he hasn't

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Speaker 2: Please let him go.

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Speaker 8: Just take him to a remote payphone and tell him

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Speaker 8: to call nine one one and then we can come

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Desrae Young, Karen Horman's biological mother.

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Speaker 2: After the stepmom reportedly.

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Speaker 1: Takes him to school for a science fair that morning,

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Speaker 1: he wanders off and he's never seen alive again. But

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Speaker 2: You know what's extremely interesting.

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Speaker 1: To me, And let me throw this straight out to

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Speaker 1: James shel Nutt, high profile lawyer joining US out of

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Speaker 1: Alabama twenty seven years on Metro major case. James, did

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Speaker 1: you know, Oh gosh, it's a staggering number. Well over

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Speaker 1: thirty percent of missing children disappear related to the bus stop,

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Speaker 2: Trying to get to school. That's a huge.

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Speaker 9: Number, it is, And you know that's the point in time.

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Speaker 9: A lot of people don't think about this. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's a huge a number of missing children that go

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Speaker 2: Now, in this case, this is what we know.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to crime online dot Com investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton in our cut three.

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Speaker 10: Friday, March third, Pamela Turner waits for her step son

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Speaker 10: to get off the school bus. When Justin Turner doesn't,

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Speaker 10: the stepmom calls the school staff there tells her that

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Speaker 10: Justin wasn't at school at all that day. He was

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Speaker 10: marked absent that day. The Sheriff's office is called and

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Speaker 10: deputies come to the Turner's home. Five year old Justin

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Speaker 10: Turner has been missing for hours.

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Speaker 1: But there's a little twist to that story. Listen to

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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner Crime Online.

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Speaker 11: Pamela Turner tells deputies she wasn't feeling well that morning

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Speaker 11: and didn't walk Justin to his bus stop as she

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Speaker 1: So the stepmom does something different that one day. She

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Speaker 1: is allegedly where he goes missing, because the grandma of

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Speaker 1: how far would their home be from the bus stop?

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Speaker 7: But you know, what we know specifically is that Pamela

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Speaker 7: She said that day was unusual. She said that she

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Speaker 1: Isn't it odd how just one tiny change in the

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Dwayne Lewis in Berkeley County.

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Speaker 6: Justin never made it to school that morning. He never

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Speaker 6: because he had been murdered than a camper. I can't

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Speaker 1: So the sheriff's agreeing with the grandma who says he

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Speaker 1: She knows he was at school and she sees him

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Speaker 1: the search begins. Listen to Dave Mack.

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Speaker 3: The search for Justin Turner includes multiple agencies and volunteers

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Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me understand, Nick Reagan WCSC. Hadn't that camper

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Speaker 1: Parton because it's my understanding the little boy wasn't just

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Speaker 10: Victor Turner discovers his own son in a camper on

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Speaker 10: Investigators said Victor Turner found the boy's body quote within

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Speaker 1: I've got so many questions based on what I'm just hearing.

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Speaker 2: As a special guest, Amy Parsons, this.

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Speaker 1: Is five then five year old Justin Lee Turner's cousin,

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Speaker 1: and you can find her on Facebook at Justice for

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Speaker 1: Justin Lee Turner.

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Speaker 2: Amy, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 12: Yes, ma'am, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when your cousin, Justin Lee Turner went missing.

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Speaker 12: I vaguely remember bits and pieces. I don't remember that

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Speaker 12: Actually, Justin's grandfather was up up here visiting with my

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Speaker 1: Doctor John Delatori is joining us for now psychologists mediator

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Speaker 1: specializing in forensic psychology. You can find doctor delatoriat resolution

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: I would take all the help I could get to

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Speaker 1: Guys, the search goes on and then day two and

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Speaker 1: Right now along with doctor Michelle Duprie is an expert

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Speaker 1: Owner Operator Kenny Kinzie and Associates, LLC. Former South Carolina

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Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Divisions Special Agent doctor Kenzie. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Now correct me if I'm wrong. But

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Speaker 1: on every search I ever attended and or supervised or

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Speaker 2: Unturned. You look in everything.

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Speaker 1: Now you might look in a little bity drawer and think, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to find.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't look in there and then later

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Speaker 1: something is found in there.

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Speaker 2: Of course not a dead body, but it could be anything.

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Speaker 1: It could be a gun, it could be a bullet,

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Speaker 2: You know you're not going to find anything, but you

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Speaker 1: So I find it very very odd that law enforcement

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Speaker 1: Elie goes in. Day one, searches the camper because it's

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Speaker 1: Dad goes in, opens one cabinet. He comes out in

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Speaker 1: less than five minutes. He goes, my son's in there. Wow,

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Speaker 1: it's a miracle, isn't it, Kensey, It's just a miracle.

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Speaker 14: Great, great point, Nancy. You know, you check, you double check,

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Speaker 1: you do not do an exhaustive search, Doctor Kenzie. I

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Speaker 14: The cabinets, absolutely not. You can explain it away later.

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Speaker 14: And like you said, your efforts may not be you

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Speaker 1: Yes, you can explain what happened, because I find it very,

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Speaker 2: Then on day one, Eli searches that camper and it's

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Speaker 1: Day two, the dad goes in and Bam, there's the

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Speaker 1: baby right there. Why didn't you guys see it? Why

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Speaker 1: Obviously you find a dead body. What's the COO D

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Speaker 2: Well, how do I explain this?

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Speaker 1: You know, like a baby, if you put it asleep

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Speaker 11: An autopsy in forensic analysis is done on the five

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Speaker 15: The Berkeley County Sheriff at the time mc cannon says

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Speaker 15: a homicide. Asked if any family members had been ruled

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Enter doctor Michelle Duprie, forensic pathologists, medical examiner, former detective,

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Speaker 1: author of Money, Mischief and Murder. The murdog saga the

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Speaker 1: rest of the story on Amazon. While that's all well

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Speaker 1: and good, my favorite book she's written is Homicide Investigation

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Speaker 1: Field Guide.

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Speaker 2: She actually wrote the book.

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Speaker 1: She also wrote Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. You can

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Speaker 1: find her at d Michelle dupremd dot com. Doctor Duprix,

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Speaker 1: it's a real honor to have you at doctor Kinzie.

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Speaker 1: On the rest of the guests as well, Doctor Duprie,

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Speaker 1: explain something to me, how do they know? How would

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Speaker 2: Anybody on the palet that can figure this out? Tell

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Speaker 1: The boy was placed in the camper after his strangulation death.

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Speaker 2: How would they know that?

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Speaker 13: Nancy? We look at the body. The body has an

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Speaker 13: enormous amount of evidence and this is why we do

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Speaker 13: an autopsy could determine the cause and manner of death

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Speaker 2: Let me guess, does it have anything to do with

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Speaker 13: It does, and it also has to do with stomach hut.

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Speaker 2: So you taught me something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what exactly the point I'm trying to make,

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Speaker 1: but I've got a feeling you're gonna explain. I just

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Speaker 1: in case, Okay, go ahead. How do they know the

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Speaker 1: How would they possibly know who's dead before he was

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Speaker 13: Nancy. We look at, as you said, rigor mortis, which

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Speaker 13: We can also look at stomach content.

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Speaker 1: Rigor mortis, the stiffening of the bones, live or mortis,

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Speaker 1: as I call it, where the blood settles. For instance,

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Speaker 1: Your blood eventually, once the heart stops pumping, will all

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Speaker 1: Dr Dupree. If you can tell he was didn't die

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Speaker 2: What if it's live or mortise.

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Speaker 1: What if all the blood in his body, Let's just

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Speaker 13: And that tells us that the body was moved after death.

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Speaker 13: Rigor mortis again is the stiffening of the muscles, And

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Speaker 1: Now, after about twenty four hours of rigor mortis stiffening.

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Speaker 1: You know, another thing, Well, there's so many things. It's

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Speaker 13: Basically, they're saying that there was an object probably inserted

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Speaker 1: So the boy was anally raped with a cylindrical object, strangled,

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Speaker 13: I would think, sir antsy yes, And how horrible that

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Speaker 1: Well, my response to that, Doctor Kenneth Kinzie, is somebody

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Speaker 7: Uh?

447
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Speaker 14: You know, I'm pretty strong on a death penalty, Nancy.

448
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Speaker 14: And the question you've got to ask is is this

449
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 14: a taxonomy of staging this scene? And was it prior

450
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Speaker 14: to death or was it done after death?

451
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Speaker 5: Well?

452
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Speaker 1: Well, wait, you actually think there's a difference. Okay, yeah,

453
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Speaker 1: I think there's a difference too, because the child suffered

454
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Speaker 1: even more during an anal rape.

455
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Speaker 14: But well, there's no difference in the way we look

456
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Speaker 14: at it, but there's a difference in the psychology of

457
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Speaker 14: the killer.

458
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Speaker 1: Do I care if they kill the boy and staged

459
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Speaker 1: it or if they Well, of course, Wait are you

460
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Speaker 1: telling me you think the outcome of a DP would

461
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Speaker 1: turn on whether the boy was raped post mortem, after death,

462
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: or before death.

463
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Speaker 14: I think a successful prosecution depends on those applements.

464
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, You stick to what you're doing,

465
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Speaker 1: and I'll stick to what I'm doing. Okay, I'll stay

466
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: in my lane if you stay in yours. Okay, I

467
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: can't guarantee you that's going to happen. Amy Parsons is

468
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Speaker 1: with us, and Amy, I want to apologize for reanalyzing

469
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Speaker 1: these facts because I know that they're hurtful. But when

470
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Speaker 1: did you learn, Amy Parsons, that your little cousin, Justin

471
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Lety Turner H five had been anally raped and strangled

472
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Speaker 1: and then left in a scene that was clearly staged.

473
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Speaker 1: Any altering of a scene, such as placing the body

474
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Speaker 1: in a different location, is staging.

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Speaker 2: When did you learn all of those facts, Amy.

476
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Speaker 12: I personally didn't learn as far as the statial assault

477
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Speaker 12: part until I was older myself and started researching on

478
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 12: my own, because that's something that my family did not

479
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 12: actually put out to us as kids. The rest of it,

480
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 12: as far as him being strangled, faced in the in

481
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 12: the camper, of course I knew at when it happened.

482
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Speaker 12: As soon as everything came out, we knew all that information.

483
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Speaker 1: Then you know, that's a phenomena that I've seen and experienced.

484
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Speaker 1: What you're saying, doctor John Delatory, I think I need

485
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Speaker 1: a shrink in our culture. We can say, oh, the

486
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: little boy was strangled dead, then he was folded up

487
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Speaker 1: like laundry and stuffed into a cabinet.

488
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Speaker 2: But we can't say he was raped. She's right. No

489
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Speaker 2: one wants to touch that with a ten foot pole.

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Speaker 14: Why.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a bunch of reasons why. But

492
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Speaker 4: some of it is derived from the very puritanical way

493
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Speaker 4: in which we view sex.

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Speaker 2: This is not sex, this is all.

495
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Speaker 4: We'd rather not discuss anything revolving around a sexual assault

496
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Speaker 4: at all, right, We'd rather just push it to the side.

497
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 4: We'd rather push victims to the side rather than actually

498
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Speaker 4: confronting the reality of what it means to be sexually assault.

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Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right.

500
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Speaker 1: It's not just Amy's parents and relatives that didn't tell

501
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Speaker 1: her that her little cousin had been anally raped. This

502
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Speaker 1: is universal. I've seen it so many times. I remember

503
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Speaker 1: in a case I was helping on. I hadn't started

504
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Speaker 1: trying cases yet. There was a preschool teacher that was

505
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: kidnapped in Atlanta and murdered. I remember the defense name,

506
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Hammond's. And as I recall, there was a woman

507
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: that turned out to be a similar transaction, and she

508
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: had been kidnapped and raped, and she had never told

509
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Speaker 1: her husband because she was ashamed. And she got up

510
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: on the stand and testify, but she never would mention

511
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: the rape, and I'm like, I couldn't understand. Being a

512
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: new prosecutor, I had never encountered that before.

513
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Speaker 2: Why won't she testify to the rape and point to

514
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Speaker 2: the defendant.

515
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Speaker 1: In her culture, it was taboo to even talk about it.

516
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Speaker 1: So it's very, very pervasive. Okay, let's move forward. Take

517
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: listen to Sheriff Dwayne Lewis, because I'm seeing a lot

518
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Speaker 1: of red flags here.

519
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Speaker 6: Listen, Pamblet changed her name, they moved to the Upstate,

520
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 6: and nobody that I'm aware of from any of the

521
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 6: family has ever heard from them again.

522
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Speaker 5: And that's strange. I never got.

523
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 6: One phone call, one phone call from his daddy or

524
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Speaker 6: his stepmother. What are y'all doing about my son's death?

525
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 5: Not one? What does that tell you?

526
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: Investigators ask the Turners to take a polygraph test, and

527
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Speaker 3: we're taking to SLED headquarters. The day after the couple

528
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: took the polygraph test, they hired at Charleston attorney Dale

529
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Speaker 3: Cobb to represent them. Cobb refused to let the Turners

530
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Speaker 3: speak with investigators.

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Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me of a colleague and a friend,

532
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Mark Class, now a giant in crime fighting, when his

533
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Speaker 1: daughter Polly was kidnapped, assaulted, and murdered.

534
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Speaker 2: Of course, they came to his place and wanted to

535
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Speaker 2: search his home.

536
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: He's like, fine, do whatever you have to do. Take

537
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: my fingerprints, take my blood, take anything and my hair,

538
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: search my place, search my office, search my car, so you.

539
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: Can get on and find who took Polly. Right.

540
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Speaker 1: But these parents, let me understand this, Nick Reagan joining

541
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Speaker 1: is wcsc the parents. The stepmom changes her name, and

542
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Speaker 1: they move away, and they never check on this little

543
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Speaker 1: boy Justin Lee Turner's case. Did that happen?

544
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 7: That definitely happened, Nancy. It was such an important part

545
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 7: of that press conference to hear the sheriff reveal that

546
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Speaker 7: in those thirty four years he had never received a

547
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 7: phone call or an inquiry from now Megan Turner or

548
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 7: Victor Turner to get an update in the case of

549
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 7: their dead child. He did say, though, during that press

550
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 7: conference that when he was elected, when he was first elected,

551
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 7: he heard from Justin's family. They called and said, hey,

552
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 7: what's the update and what are you doing about this

553
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 7: cold case. Another thing I just want to mention really

554
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 7: quickly is that we talk about the Turner's silence in

555
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 7: this case. They did that polygraph, and then they were

556
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 7: silent to investigators for effectively thirty four years. One thing

557
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 7: that Dwayne Lewis, the sheriff, said again during that press conference,

558
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 7: a reporter had asked him, have you heard from them?

559
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 7: Have they spoken? Have you asked them questions? And he said,

560
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 7: once again, they are maintaining their silence. They took a

561
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 7: three hour car ride from Lauren down to Berkeley County,

562
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 7: didn't say a word to them.

563
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I agree Nick Reagan, and also I believe that was

564
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: delatory speaking. But then a big forensic clue, as fishy

565
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: as the dad and stepmom are acting, that's not enough

566
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Speaker 1: to prosecute a case or even Brian acase.

567
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: Listen, the murder weapon.

568
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Speaker 15: A ligature was found inside the Turner's home, and according

569
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Speaker 15: to a report by WCSC, it matched the marks on

570
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Speaker 15: Justin Turner's body. Microscopic fibers on the ligature were consistent

571
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 15: with Justin's shirt collar material. According to a forenic pathologist,

572
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 15: Justin's body was hidden in a cabinet in the camper

573
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 15: a short time after his death, near the time he

574
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 15: was last seen alive.

575
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Speaker 1: So he's lasting alive by the stepmom, wh and takes

576
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: a shower instead of walking him to the bus stop.

577
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: He never makes it to the bus stop, and at autopsy,

578
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: the medical examiner can determine that he was murdered very

579
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: quickly after he was last seen alive, after stepmom saw him.

580
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Speaker 2: So what happened within the next thirty minutes?

581
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Speaker 1: Now we have the ligature found in the dad's the

582
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: bio dad and Stepmom's home, and I need to understand

583
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: doctor Kenneth Kinzie, forensic expert.

584
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Speaker 2: You can find them at Kenny Kenzie and Associates.

585
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: How is it that the ligature?

586
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: What did it have fibers from Justine's shirt on it?

587
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 14: Yeah, Nancy advancements and forensic testing. I just commend them

588
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 14: for holding on to that evidence. But from what I

589
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 14: from my research, they have, the fibers are consistent with

590
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 14: the collar on Justine's shirt. And hopefully they've got some

591
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 14: great impression documentation or they may even have the ligature itself,

592
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 14: which would be even better.

593
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 16: But that's wrong.

594
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 14: Strong friends of Kevin to.

595
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: Nick Reagan joining us at me see USA. What was

596
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: the ligature they're talking about? Was it a wrote, was

597
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: it pantyhose, a scarf?

598
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: What was it?

599
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 7: Right now? I'm not one hundred percent certain what that

600
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 7: literature was, but you can look at the evidence here

601
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 7: that the sheriff brought out. He pointed to to things.

602
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 7: He pointed to that that consistent marks on the neck

603
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 7: with the ligature and those fibers, which new technology was

604
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 7: able to bring out that evidence. And then the other

605
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 7: thing which was mentioned a little bit earlier, but again

606
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 7: attributed to modern technology in breaking the cold case, was

607
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 7: that stomach content. The forehand, the sheriff had suggested that

608
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 7: Justin could have been murdered twenty four to forty eight

609
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 7: hours beforehand, but now with that new technology, they looked

610
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 7: at the stomach contests and said, no, he was murdered

611
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 7: the morning that Pamela Turner says that he was getting

612
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 7: on the butt.

613
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace to doctor John Delatory, James

614
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: shell Nutt, and doctor Kenzie. We know that the scene

615
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: was staged. Now that can mean anything. I had one

616
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: case where a woman was found dead on her bed

617
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: and the killer had taken.

618
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: Her bathroom wicker basket and put it over the victim's head.

619
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Speaker 1: I've seen in cases where a murder was staged to

620
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Speaker 1: look like a suicide. That's staged. It could be a

621
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: number of things. This scene was staged, And what I

622
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: have learned is just in my own experience practically speaking anecdotally.

623
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: This is not a.

624
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Statistic that when someone takes the time to stage a scene,

625
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: they are known to the victim. In other words, a

626
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: guy breaks into your home to burgle, sees you, he

627
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: goes oh and shoots you, then runs. It doesn't take

628
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: the time to make it look like a suicide. No, No,

629
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: they just want to get away, all right. It's someone

630
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: that's connected to the victim that will take the times

631
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: to stage the scene, like Alex Murdock.

632
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Speaker 7: What about it, Kizzie, good point, Nancy, I mean, is that.

633
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Speaker 2: What you found?

634
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: She'll know you were twenty seven years on Metro major case.

635
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: Who takes the time to stage something when it's a random.

636
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 16: Killing, Well, the person who takes the time to do

637
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 16: is the person who knows that they don't stage it,

638
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 16: it's going to be very obvious that they were involved

639
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 16: with it, so they want to stage it to make

640
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 16: it a little like somebody else did. It's very simple,

641
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 16: dot a eleatory.

642
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Can you explain it in psychology.

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00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 4: Talk, It's about recognizing the level of guilt that the

644
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: person knows is going to be reflected onto that and

645
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: because of that, they have to mask it. They have

646
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: to hide the behavior both for themselves but also to

647
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: other people, especially to other people because of the quickness

648
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: with which they would be fold found out. The only

649
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: person that has that ability is a person that has

650
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: time to do so and the wherewithal to do it.

651
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 13: Mm hmmm.

652
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Speaker 1: Take a listen at our cut twelve to the sheriff,

653
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Dwayne Lewis, Berkeley Sheriffs.

654
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Speaker 6: So there's been a lot of different things and statements

655
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Speaker 6: made when you when you look at the scene, you

656
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 6: can you can assume by looking at it that it

657
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 6: was somewhat of stage scene to make it look like

658
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 6: something that it wasn't, and all that will come out.

659
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 5: We'll get to all that.

660
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Speaker 6: But there's a lot of inconsistencies in the story and

661
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Speaker 6: the information and what the deputies, detective and SLED agents

662
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Speaker 6: d n R agents were told when they first got

663
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Speaker 6: there to try to piece the thing together.

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Speaker 1: We're told by the bio dad Victor Lee Turner, and

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Speaker 1: the stepmother Pamela Turner changed her name to Megan Renee Turner.

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Speaker 1: You know, to you Nick Reagan WCSC. Something very very

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Speaker 1: damning was learned from the contents of this little boy's stomach.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, and at the time of the murder.

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Speaker 1: That could not be analyzed in the way that it

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Speaker 1: can be analyzed. Now, tell me about the contents of

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Speaker 1: his stomach, right, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: You know, this is a thirty four year old cold case.

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Speaker 7: In nineteen eighty nine, the forensic evidence technology just wasn't

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Speaker 7: there to seal up the case. But what we've known

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Speaker 7: in the last couple of years. The sheriff came out,

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Speaker 7: he said, new technology is why we're able to break

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Speaker 7: this cold case.

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Speaker 2: The contents of the stomach.

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Speaker 7: The contents of the stomach here in this case, they

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Speaker 7: said they were able to look at the contents of

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Speaker 7: the stomach to determine time of death. And they compared

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Speaker 7: it to statements that they had collected from the scene

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Speaker 7: to nail down when they believed when Justin Turner had

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Speaker 7: been killed, and they determined that he had been killed

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Speaker 7: that morning that his stepmother said he got on the bus.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupriy, I thought that trying to determine time

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Speaker 1: of death based on stomach contents was not that easy,

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Speaker 1: So how did they do it?

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Speaker 2: Doctor duprie h.

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Speaker 13: Nancy, You're right, it's not that easy because everybody metabolized

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Speaker 13: steps food differently. But when there are still stomach contents

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Speaker 13: available to analyze, then you do know that it is

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Speaker 13: within a range of time frames, and so you can

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Speaker 13: determine from that that it was relatively short.

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Speaker 1: In last hours a major development. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Lewis.

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Speaker 6: I wanted to report to the citizens of Berkeley County

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Speaker 6: that yesterday, January ninth, at ten am, detectives from the

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Speaker 6: Berkeley County Sheriff's Office was able to arrest and take

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Speaker 6: into custody Victor Lee Turner and Pamela Turner also known

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Speaker 6: as Making Turner. They were taken into custody at their

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Speaker 6: home which is located in Cross Hills, South Carolina, which

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Speaker 6: is in Lawrence County. Lawrence County Sheriff's Office assisted us

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Speaker 6: with the arrest. They have been transported back to the

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Speaker 6: Berkeley County Jail.

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Speaker 5: They are incarcerated at this time.

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Speaker 2: Nick, has the death penalty been announced?

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Speaker 7: Not to my knowledge.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to Amy Parsons joining us. This

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Speaker 2: is then little five year old.

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Speaker 1: Justin Turner cousin, Amy, since the time of your little

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Speaker 1: cousin's murder, what toll has this taken on your family?

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Speaker 12: It's taking a tremendous toll. I mean, you guys think

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Speaker 12: his mom literally called the Sheriff's office every day that

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Speaker 12: she lived, beg and please, can you, you know, find

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Speaker 12: who killed my who killed my son. She passed away

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Speaker 12: in two thousand and four and never got that that

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Speaker 12: peace of mind. She felt, as everybody else did at

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Speaker 12: the time, who did it. But at the same time,

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Speaker 12: they were not prosecuted. I mean, they were still out there.

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Speaker 12: So for her it was it was something than that

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Speaker 12: affected her, you know, basically her whole life.

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Speaker 14: It was.

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Speaker 12: It was very traumatic, that feeling of.

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Speaker 2: Helplessness of injustice.

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Speaker 1: Knowing that the killer was walking free, and that this

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Speaker 1: little boy had been raped, mistreated and murdered and nothing

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Speaker 1: happened for all those years.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can see that tearing a family apart. Amy.

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Speaker 12: Luckily, you know, our family is a strong family. We

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Speaker 12: held it together and we just wanted what was best

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Speaker 12: for our family, and that was to put the murderer

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Speaker 12: behind bars. It didn't matter who it was. I mean,

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Speaker 12: we just wanted them to serve time for what they

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Speaker 12: had done.

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Speaker 1: And what has the family reaction been with the arrest

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Speaker 1: of his own bio dad and stepmother.

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Speaker 12: Like I said before, our family felt like we knew

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Speaker 12: who had done it. There just wasn't enough evidence there

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Speaker 12: for them to be able to prosecute on it. I

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Speaker 12: knew that it would it would take something like being

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Speaker 12: able to forensically tie them. Of course, over the years,

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Speaker 12: I've stayed in touch with the Sheriff's office and and

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Speaker 12: they've sent different things to be analyzed, and it just

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Speaker 12: it was It's kind of bittersweet. It's one of those

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Speaker 12: moments where you know you're you're so happy and excited

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Speaker 12: that we finally got to this point. There's still a

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Speaker 12: long road ahead.

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Speaker 2: And this is what Sheriff Dwayne Lewis has to say.

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Speaker 5: I have to say, I'm hoping and I'm praying that

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Speaker 5: Justin is looking down from heaven rejoicing that today there's

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Speaker 5: some justice. There's still some justice in this country.

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Speaker 2: Sheriff Lewis. Truer words were never spoken. We wait as

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Speaker 2: justice unfolds. Good Bye friend,