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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Saturday, October twenty second.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, Tered Grinstead went missing from

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Speaker 1: her residence. As the hours turned into days, days into weeks,

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Speaker 1: weeks into months, and eventually months into years, the search

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Speaker 1: efforts never ceased. A few days ago, an individual came

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Speaker 1: forward and reported that they had information into Terry's disappearance.

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Speaker 1: Enough probable cause was discovered so we could swear out

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Speaker 1: and a restaurant charging Ryan Alexander due with the murder

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Speaker 1: of Tered Grinstead. We always believe that it would be sold.

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Speaker 1: We just did not know when the disappearance of a

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Speaker 1: beautiful young teacher, not only beautiful on the outside, but

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Speaker 1: beautiful on the inside, smart too, trying to obtain her

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Speaker 1: master's degree. I remember what Tera Grinstead went missing. I

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us right now. A development in the case of

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Speaker 1: Tara Grinstead, who we now know was taken from her

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Speaker 1: home in a tiny town in Georgia, Oscilla and murdered.

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Speaker 1: The man charged with helping conceal the body of the

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Speaker 1: Georgia Beauty Queen High school teacher Tara Grinstead also wanted

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Speaker 1: for raping and kidnapping two women. Much later, while he's

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Speaker 1: awaiting trial and hiding Tara's body is in court, bow

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Speaker 1: Dukes charged with rape sodomy. Thoughts imprisonment on the run

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Speaker 1: was returned back to the law, and now he's answering

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Speaker 1: up to charges he helped conceal the body of high

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Speaker 1: school teacher Tara Grinstead. I remember when Tara went missing.

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Speaker 1: She disappeared after she left a cookout party thrown by

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Speaker 1: people involved at the school where she taught. These two

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Speaker 1: Ryan Alexander Duke and Boat Dukes no relation, stayed under

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Speaker 1: the radar, although they had been students of Terra's many

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Speaker 1: years before. Then they opened their apps. They bragged about

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Speaker 1: their murder mm then one confessed to murdering Terra after

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Speaker 1: going to her home to steal money. Joining me right

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Speaker 1: now at the scene visit Hill, former cock turned PI,

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Speaker 1: author of playbook to a Murder. Vincent tell me about

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Speaker 1: jury selection, Nancy. First, let me say yesterday was a

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Speaker 1: very long day. Potential jurors had to arrive at eight

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Speaker 1: thirty am. The judge took the bench and around nine

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Speaker 1: twenty three and jury selection began immediately after that. Now,

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Speaker 1: the problem with the eye selection, Nancy, and why it

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Speaker 1: took so long, and I'll get to how long it

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Speaker 1: took is most of the people inside the courtroom either

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Speaker 1: knew bow Dukes, they knew of Ryan Dukes Duke, they

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Speaker 1: knew bow Duke's mom, they knew his family. There was

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Speaker 1: also a lot of relatives that were potential jurors inside

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Speaker 1: the courtroom, so the prosecution and the defense had to

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Speaker 1: weed through that. At one point, juror number nine a

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Speaker 1: mail was asked, is there anything that would prevent you

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Speaker 1: from being fair and impartial? And he basically said, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: he's already convinced of bow Duke's guilt, so he was

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Speaker 1: excused immediately. So at around three twenty the judge excused

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Speaker 1: the potential jurors, at which point the prosecution in the

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Speaker 1: defense got the jury list, They did their strikethroughs, and

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Speaker 1: then they picked their jury. That lasted about twenty five

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Speaker 1: minutes until about four o'clock when a jury was decided

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Speaker 1: yesterday seven women, five men, three alternates, two alternates being male,

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Speaker 1: one alternate being female. Opening statements were set to begin,

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Speaker 1: but before that, Nancy, the judge excluded or excuse their

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Speaker 1: jury rather so that the GBI agent Jason Shadell, who

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Speaker 1: is the lead investigator, could give testimony. Now that testimony,

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Speaker 1: Nancy was regarding the miranda rights of bow Dukes and

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Speaker 1: whether his statement will be admissible, because there was some

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Speaker 1: back and forth between the prosecution and the defense on

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Speaker 1: whether bow Dukes was read his miranda when he should

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Speaker 1: So once that was determined or once that was concluded,

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Speaker 1: rather the judge called the jury back in four opening statements. Now,

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Speaker 1: the prosecution, Nancy led with a pretty powerful opening sentence,

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Speaker 1: twelve hundred degrees to burn human bones. And he went

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Speaker 1: on to say, those are the words of this defendant,

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Speaker 1: the words of bow Dukes, twelve hundred degrees to burn

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Speaker 1: human bones. He described Tara Grinstead, He said, those bones

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Speaker 1: prosecution had to say, Nancy, this age is about Bozeker

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Speaker 1: Bozek that he kept for Ryan. It's about this seer

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Speaker 1: that he kept Ryan destroyed, burned, and dispose of the

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Speaker 1: moment the secret that he kept here in Willcox's telling,

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Speaker 1: when he spoke of as Shadel two thousand and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five to two thousand and sixteen. It's

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Speaker 1: about those cover up. It's about those that sealed that

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Speaker 1: his best friend Ran had killed Terry Winston and then

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Speaker 1: they both burned the ball. It's about those economy and

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Speaker 1: all Now, Nancy, one of the other things that came

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Speaker 1: Nancy wanted to see if anybody's mind would already have

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Speaker 1: been made up regarding this case now. The defense, of

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Speaker 1: course told the jury that, hey, this case is not

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Speaker 1: bou Duke's on trial for the murder of Tara Grinstead.

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Speaker 1: This case is about him concealing the death of Tara Grinstead.

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Speaker 1: He also pointed out the fact that bou Dukes is

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Speaker 1: facing other charges in another county and that it is

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Speaker 1: the jury's duty not to pay attention to those charges

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Speaker 1: this trial. Here's what the defense had to say in

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Speaker 1: his opening statements. Nancy, this Staiels saves on Jesus. Team

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Speaker 1: choices the issue of whether he burned or body concealed

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Speaker 1: her death himper meds hinder Ryan Dukes apparition. Those specific

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Speaker 1: a job for Gler jury toueg of a different day,

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Speaker 1: any one. The Duke comin is that this case is

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Speaker 1: not about some allegation that bow Does murdered Tara Favorites.

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Speaker 1: This is not Ryan Jings murder trual. That against able

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Speaker 1: one for reasoning. You know, Vincent, he'll joining me at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the trial. For Bow Dukes, he's answering

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Speaker 1: up to charges he helped conceal the body of high

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Speaker 1: school teacher Tara Grinstead. What questions are being asked, Vincent, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: The first witness to take the stand was a very

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Speaker 1: emotional witness. It was kim Allan Sheridan. Now she is

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Speaker 1: the mother of bow Duke's girlfriend. That's right, Nancy, the

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Speaker 1: mother of bow Duke's girlfriend. Now she testified to learning

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Speaker 1: knowledge of what bow Duke's claims occurred to Tera Grinstead,

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Speaker 1: said her and her husband decided not to let bow

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Speaker 1: Dukes back into their home because he's not the type

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Speaker 1: she eventually let bow Dukes back into the home because,

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Speaker 1: as she put it, Nancy, she loves her daughter and

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Speaker 1: she also testified Nancy that she knew a prosecutor in

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Speaker 1: specifics of what Burt told you on that occasion, but

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Speaker 1: did you come to learn information that she felt need

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Speaker 1: to accord into law enforcements. Yes, I did. And that

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Speaker 1: be an awbloy in case? Yes? And what was that

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Speaker 1: Burke told you this information, Was there ever any doubt

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Speaker 1: And how quickly was it that she did require that

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Speaker 1: evening we started making reaching out out to Tim Vaughan.

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Speaker 1: He's a district attorney here in the southern areas of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: He's also a lifelong friend of mine. Did you know

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Speaker 1: at that time Tim Vaughn connection to the disappearance of

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Speaker 1: the case in all the disappearance of his riss day No,

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Speaker 1: I had no idea. I didn't know that there was

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Speaker 1: as well. Do you're called what month I was in

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Speaker 1: Did you ever come into contact with anyone who if

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Speaker 1: you are with gbium Jason contacted me based on that.

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Speaker 1: relationship with thefenaskase Bejings. They were broken up subsequent to that.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if your daughter ever reinitiated or started

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Speaker 1: They are still in a relationship. No, we go into

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Speaker 1: you here specific conversations with the Let me kind back

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Speaker 1: us that that situation just broke the family and had

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't the place to bring it up. We

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Speaker 1: said this conversation may have taken place before he was

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Speaker 1: a little back. It may have. I don't I'm not

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Speaker 1: real good with dates. First it was me and oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: been a long and winding road to justice for the

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Speaker 1: family of Tera Grinstead. What a long row they've had

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Speaker 1: to hoe. It all started the night she went to

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Speaker 1: what effect does that have on you, Well, it's just

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Speaker 1: When you say home, what do you mean by that? Okay,

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Speaker 1: But either way, you know, her car was at home.

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Speaker 1: Tara's best friend. Maria. What did they ask you? What

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Speaker 1: maybe she's shopping. Maybe shopping, I know, I said, but wait,

428
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: did you have to be at work on Monday? Morning.

429
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and she would have never you

430
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: can't when you're a school teacher, you can't just not

431
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: show up. I mean, you know you can't do that.

432
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: Like that's not gonna happen. And that's what I told

433
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: on the suppresion. No way she would have just not

434
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: gone to work. So that was in their mind. You know, oh,

435
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: maybe she's just not wanting to be here. You know,

436
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that's not it. But immediately that's there,

437
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, she would have at least called in a sub.

438
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: She would have at least called for a sub, I know.

439
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So then when did it at you? She

440
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: really was gone. I mean, this whole idea that she

441
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: would just leave and go shopping, that doesn't even make

442
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: sense to me. It was ridiculous. I mean, they called

443
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: around to see if it was if there was any

444
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: identified someone you know, at the hospitals, and you know,

445
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: they checked that kind of thing. But you know, for

446
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: several hours, they were just convinced that she just didn't

447
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: want to be here anymore because her pocket book was

448
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: gone and her phone was there. Let me ask you

449
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: a question with me as Tera Grinsdad's best friend, Maria

450
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Woods Harbor Maria. Many people have does just say capitalized

451
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: on TERA's disappearance and investigated it and written about it.

452
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, a lot, a lot of investigation has gone on.

453
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Many people have speculated she was in some kind of

454
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: a sex relationship with her killers, who we now believed

455
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: to be two of her former students at her high school.

456
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: That she was in a state of mind that night

457
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: where she wanted to walk on the wild side and

458
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: ended up at some bonfire out and a pecan orchard

459
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: and then things went sideways. Basically, what they're saying is

460
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: because she put herself in a bad situation. To me,

461
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: that's a victim shaming. There's no evidence of any of

462
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: that whatsoever that I know of. Maybe somebody knows something

463
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. But what you're her best friend, could

464
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: you speak to what has been said about Terra since

465
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: her death? When it happened, she was just gone. I mean,

466
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: we had nobody, no clues, nothing, and it was very,

467
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: very upsetting. There's been a million theories about what she

468
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: did and like she said, what she did to deserve this,

469
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: and it's been years of defending that and you can't

470
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, I had to take a lot of time

471
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: away from it because it was just I constantly try

472
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: to defend her because there's you know, it was just

473
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: so silly. Some of the stuff was just so ridiculous.

474
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: But like what oh, I mean, it was like, you know,

475
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: she had a conspiracy and that she paid these people

476
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: to come do this so she could get attention. And

477
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, there was one so silly that you know,

478
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: we were that I helped her plan this getaway and

479
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, and the reason they weren't finding hers because

480
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: I was paid. Oh my goodness, Really every boyfriend she

481
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: had from the time she was fifteen sixteen on up

482
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: to when she was missing, I had to tell them

483
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: everything about and they had the jerk and it was

484
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: so it's been so bad that anyone that was in

485
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: her life has been drug through mud and everything. It's

486
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. What do you make of the theories that

487
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: have been put out there that the night she went

488
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: missing she was in a state of mind that she

489
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: wanted to go to some crazy alcohol slash drug fueled

490
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: bonfire out at a peak orchard or something to that effect.

491
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything like it in my life. Well,

492
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: it is silly, and it's really extremely stupid because it's

493
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: just you know, first of all, I don't believe she

494
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: would do that. She's just not like that. But even

495
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: if she did, I mean, who cares. But the point

496
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: is she's not here anymore. That's just like saying, if

497
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: you go to a bar, you know, and you get

498
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, taken or keeled or whatever, then you deserve

499
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: it because you're at a bar. I mean, it doesn't

500
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: make sense. I mean, do you really think she went

501
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: out to some party with a bunch of kids in

502
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: a pecan orchard? I mean, that's the last thing I

503
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: want to do at one o'clock in the morning is

504
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: go out with some former students at a pecan orchard

505
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: and watching them drink out of a kid. If you

506
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: got a rain, you'd understand. That's ridiculous. A school teacher

507
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: would be fired the next day, you know, because it

508
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: was It would not be like you could keep that

509
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: a secret. I mean she would be fired, Like why

510
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: herself and her in her career in that position because

511
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: she works so hard. It's not like her parents paid

512
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: for her college tuition. She worked to pay that. There's

513
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: no way she lives on her career way for just

514
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: a night like that there's just no way. That's stupid. Well,

515
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I hear you, John Limley, Crime Story's

516
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: contributing reporter. Finally, what is the break? Well, let's go

517
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and eight. The case received renewed

518
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: attention at that time with a report on the CBS

519
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: news show forty eight Hours Mystery, which noted a similarity

520
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: in the case to the disappearance of another young woman

521
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: in Orlando, Florida. In connection with that news story, police

522
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: at that time revealed that they had found DNA on

523
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: a latex glove in the front yard in Grinstead's front yard,

524
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: just a stone's throw away from her front door. Now,

525
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: in February two thousand and nine, some videos surfaced on

526
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: the Internet featuring a self proclaimed serial killer who called

527
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: himself the Catchme Killer. The man in the videos details

528
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: what he claims are sixteen female victims that he has murdered,

529
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: and one of these women he sort of hints at,

530
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: is Tara Grinstead. Though the man's face and voice were

531
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: digitally obscured, police eventually determined the videos were that of

532
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Andrew Hailey, and a police investigation

533
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: ultimately revealed the videos to be part of a bizarre,

534
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: elaborate hoax, and Haley was ultimately eliminated as a suspect. Then,

535
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, twenty eleven, the chief GBI, that's

536
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: the Georgia Bureau of Investigation investigators, said that the case

537
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: had gone cold, adding that leads still come in on

538
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: a weekly basis. Then on February twenty third, twenty seventeen,

539
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: after a lengthy investigation, the Georgia Bureau of the Investigation

540
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: announced that they had received a tip. And this is

541
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: the big break that Marie was talking about that led

542
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: to the arrest of Ryan Alexander Duke for murder. About

543
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: three years before Tara's disappearance, Ryan Duke had attended Irwin

544
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: County High School, the same school where Grinstead was employed

545
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: as a history teacher. According to warrants read in court,

546
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: Duke had burglarized Tara's home and when discovered, he strangled

547
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: her and removed her body from the house. Another arrest

548
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: fairly quickly after this, on March third, twenty seventeen, was

549
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: made public in connection with Tara's disappearance. Dukes and this

550
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: is Duke with an S on the end, and there's

551
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: no relation between the Duke and the Dukes. Bou Dukes,

552
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: a former classmate of Ryan Alexander Duke, was charged with

553
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: attempting to conceal a death, hindering apprehension, and tampering with evidence.

554
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: At this time, Tara's sister, Anita Gaddis, said she had

555
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: known bou Duke's family for years, but had never connected

556
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: him with any part of her sister's disappearance. Nancy, as

557
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: we continue to cover the trial of Bow Dukes going

558
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: on in a Wilcox County, Georgia courtroom, more than thirteen

559
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: years after the Georgia beauty queen and teacher Tara Grinstead vanished,

560
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: we learned, despite this being the Georgia Bureau of Investigation's

561
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: biggest case ever, they could have solved it a decade

562
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: earlier if only police had responded to one major lead

563
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: called into them. On the second day of the trial,

564
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: the prosecution called as a witness a former army buddy

565
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: of Bow Dukes, who says Bow told him about his

566
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: role in covering up Tara's murder in two thousand and six,

567
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: just a year after she was killed. They played a

568
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: recording of John McCullough's interview with the GBI. Did he

569
00:36:52,080 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: say that they burned the body? He told right he

570
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: would ever find anything in all this stuff, you know,

571
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: like talking to McCullough told the GBI that it weighed

572
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: on his mind for years. It's uh, it sucks. Well.

573
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember when you called it in. You

574
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: were like, you know, I don't know if this is

575
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: true or not, you know, you know, I just I

576
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: need to get this off my chest, says you've been

577
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: you know. And then because you told me that you

578
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: saw something on the internet and you looked it up

579
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: and you were like, wow, I thought that case would

580
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: have been solved way back then and it wasn't. That's

581
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: what prompted you to call the first time, you know.

582
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean so I originally I originally called, you know

583
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: way or like waiting for hey, you know what, what

584
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: what's going on with this? And you know stuff like that,

585
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, And that was properly and uh two eight

586
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: or late two eight, early of the night got out

587
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: and where in two thousand and eighty nine police department

588
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: do you remember who what police apart? I want to

589
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: say it was the one that was in Oscila. It

590
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: will do their Ostilver and Fitch you but it was

591
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: a local police department, and I was just asking questions

592
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: and then it kind of went and nowhere, and I

593
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: was just like, okay, well I get things since nobody

594
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: wants to talk to me, and just so you shall

595
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: asking and to get somebody to call you. But nobody

596
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: ever called you back. Yeah, and nobody ever called me,

597
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: nobody ever did anything. Okay, well I guess you know whatever,

598
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: I can't do anything about it, you know. And and

599
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: then that's whenever I started, you know, calling again. And

600
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: then you know, it was the weirdest shit ever. Like

601
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: I had to cread the Edge Dream, and I mean

602
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: that's what I called you. Whenever I called you, I

603
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: was like, man, you know, I had just read the

604
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Age Dream, and I just I gotta call man. I gotta,

605
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: you know, do all this stuff because if I don't,

606
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: it's just gonna eat away in my damn brain, of

607
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: which a man still kind of did anywhere. It's been

608
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: a long and winding road to justice for the family

609
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: of Tera Grinstead. Nancy Grace Crimestory signing off goodbye friend,