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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her radio guys, Welcome to the most engaged week

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Speaker 1: in bachelor history. I mean, this week is up there

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Speaker 1: with the end of an episode of Paradise. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is There's been four bachelor engagements this week, which

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Speaker 1: is seriously like a Bachelor in Paradise finale. Why is that?

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Speaker 1: Is this? Like? Is everybody is it? Like is the moon?

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Speaker 1: You know, is the moon turning circles in a weird way? Like?

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Speaker 1: Why is love so prevalent right now? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: My sister got engaged three weeks ago too. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we love him. He's perfect. He's my parents dream. He

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Speaker 1: is somebody that I've known for um gosh, like fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: They actually met in seventh grade. So she's happy. She's thrilled.

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Speaker 1: He's so happy. Yeah, she's great. He fits in with

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Speaker 1: the family very well. His parents are awesome, and Jared

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Speaker 1: loves his new brother in law. So that's great. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So then we've got a lot of engagements we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about. We also actually need to talk about

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Speaker 1: something that we love, which is each other. And we've

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Speaker 1: been together now for four years, which is longer than

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Speaker 1: you and Jared, isn't it? Yes, because you and I

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Speaker 1: were on the air for almost a year by the

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Speaker 1: time that we came out as a public couple. Look

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Speaker 1: at this partnership. This is special. Okay, Ashley, we have

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Speaker 1: some really cool things going on for our four year anniversary.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't know what we're talking about, Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous has been around now for four years. This is crazy,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so awesome and so exciting. So Ashley, for

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Speaker 1: our four year anniversary, we are celebrating in what way

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Speaker 1: well we are gonna give to our audience, because if

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Speaker 1: it weren't for them, if it weren't if it weren't

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Speaker 1: for them, we wouldn't have a show still. So we're

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Speaker 1: so grateful you guys for listening for whole whole four

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Speaker 1: years that we are going to be giving away four beautiful,

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Speaker 1: like really classy guys custom made Almost Famous rings. Thereby

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Speaker 1: you can look at the company on Instagram. It's at

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Speaker 1: Love around the Neck. So we're giving away four of

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Speaker 1: these personalized rings are fourteen carrot yellow gold with diamonds.

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Speaker 1: The rings are all inside seven so if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: fit in your ring finger, it'll it'll fit on your

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Speaker 1: index or your middle finger or something like that. Um

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Speaker 1: and in the inside a f as an Almost Famous

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Speaker 1: is ingrained and they're so pretty guys. In addition to

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Speaker 1: the ring, the winners are going to get hidden garden

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Speaker 1: flowers two dozen red roses of course. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be giving out these sets each week until June fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and it starts today May seventeen to June fourteenth. That

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Speaker 1: is your time to enter. But then we're announcing. We're

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Speaker 1: announcing on June fourteen, so like next week we're not

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Speaker 1: giving away one, like you have a month to enter,

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Speaker 1: and then on June fourteenth were announcing. Also, actually we

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Speaker 1: should add in that the ring is made by Love

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Speaker 1: around the Neck and the flowers are from Hidden Garden Flowers.

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Speaker 1: So thanks to both those brands for like making the

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Speaker 1: super special for all of us. Yeah, so Ben tell

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Speaker 1: them what they have to do to enter. It's really

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Speaker 1: really easy. Okay, here's what you need to do. Follow

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram at Almost Underscore Famous podcast. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's one thing. Then click the link in the bio

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Speaker 1: and register for the contest. That's all you need to do.

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Speaker 1: And again, as Ashley said, you have till June to

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Speaker 1: do this, and then on June fourteenth, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: picking four lucky winners the Ashley If four years ago,

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Speaker 1: four let's say four and a half years ago, somebody

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Speaker 1: comes to you and says, hey, you will have to

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Speaker 1: sit down with Ben Higgins every week for four years

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Speaker 1: of your life, and you'll have to talk about stuff

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Speaker 1: going on in Bachelor Nation and going on in your lives,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to see each other mature and

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Speaker 1: grow and become less mature. Um, what would you have said?

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Speaker 1: Would this has been exciting for you or would you

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Speaker 1: been like that sounds like punishment? Oh my gosh, my

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Speaker 1: fan girl self would have been like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: talk to Ben Higgins like he is just the ultimate

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Speaker 1: right because I mean, you're such a a figurehead in

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna become like really good friends with Ben Higgins.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. And then four years later, Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 1: then I have a follow up question. But yeah, so

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Speaker 1: what I've thought about that I would have said I

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Speaker 1: see it like Ashley is uh, great personality who shares

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Speaker 1: at that hotel in Hollywood, West Hollywood the first time. Weird.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea why I'm like the least intimidating

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Speaker 1: person in the entire world. Well maybe now, but back then, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: back then, it was different. Okay, so four years later,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm very thankful for this opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Not only get to spend time with you, but the

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Speaker 1: listeners get to meet the listeners. You know, up until COVID,

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Speaker 1: much fun. Um, I get to keep up on your

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Speaker 1: life with Jared, your life with your family, your life

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Speaker 1: Uh this and I've said it before, but like this

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Speaker 1: podcast has been a gift for so many reasons, Like

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Speaker 1: it allows me to do generous coffee for free, It

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Speaker 1: allows uh us to uh have other adventures and opportunities

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Speaker 1: come to us that maybe we wouldn't have without this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and then I get to do with you, and like,

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Speaker 1: in four years, I don't remember a time, even off air,

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Speaker 1: been really great. That's true, it has been overall very great.

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Speaker 1: I love the platform that we have to discuss the

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Speaker 1: issues in Bachelor Nation, and like if we see something

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Speaker 1: what possibly went down. And of course, you know, I

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Speaker 1: people so much better and like then you really do

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Speaker 1: get to see their whole character instead of the carriccture

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Speaker 1: Do you still think I'm super cool? Yeah? Cool? That

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Speaker 1: if she does. Hey, uh, we have a big podcast

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Speaker 1: coming up for you today. Yes, the giveaway is there.

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Speaker 1: We'll mention to get into the podcast. We have desert

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Speaker 1: passing off the roses at some point in life. She

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Speaker 1: always has a lot going on. She's always a great

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Speaker 1: interview and super exciting. But as Ashley mentioned at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the podcast, this is engagement week, not that

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Speaker 1: we expected it for Bacheloration. We're going to break down

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Speaker 1: all the engagements, all the love, all the stories going on,

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Speaker 1: and all the hot headlines right here and almost from

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Speaker 1: his podcast. But before we do, let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: Is there anyone that we could have more fitting for

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Speaker 1: this engagement week of Bachelor Nation than Desiree Hardstock, a

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Speaker 1: wedding dress designer herself. Yes, yes, desire guys, welcome he

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Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thanks for having me favorite. She's just

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Speaker 1: like you, Chris, kind of like light up the room

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Speaker 1: nowhere on this tour of us and they brought me

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Speaker 1: a gift bag full of stuff from the area, and like,

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Speaker 1: there's just special people. I'm pump to have her. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you us. We're always thinking about others. But also

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Speaker 1: All right, well dead you have a book out? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I was coming out June second. Yes, I wrote a book.

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Speaker 1: do you guys think, Yeah, isn't he East Coast? He's

428
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: super East Coast buffle, Yeah, East. I kind of picture that.

429
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: I feel like he would probably want a big wedding

430
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: with all their friends, but it would be so fun.

431
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: I see a wine in tequila bar. That's about all

432
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: I see in the picture. Like I couldn guarantee you

433
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: that will happen um at their wedding. Oh yes, spades

434
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: and sparrows. You know there's gonna be a whole bar

435
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: for just her wine. And then it's so funny. In

436
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: the during their engagement, she was wearing a tank top

437
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: that says tequila for breakfast, and she says. She goes,

438
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, I cannot believe I'm wearing a shirt

439
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: that says tequila for breakfast at my engagement. That's hilarious.

440
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: But it's so her, it's so them, Like it's so hitting.

441
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: You want to know, all right, Actually, what's the next

442
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: couple to get engaged? Sarah Harron and her boyfriend Dylan.

443
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: They've been together for over four years. I chatted with

444
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: her this morning and she said that actually she had

445
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: designed her ring. They've been talking about engagement for about

446
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: six months and she designed her ring. So it wasn't

447
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: a real surprise, but it was you know, she didn't

448
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: know what it was going to happen. And she said,

449
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: that's so nervous leading into it that she could tell

450
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: she was like, oh my god, this is gonna happen

451
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: because like he was all like shaking into myry mouth.

452
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for that one because I thought that

453
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: would be coming pretty soon. So I'm so happy for her.

454
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: She looks so happy. Okay, so what wedding dress would

455
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: she be in? Oh? That one's good. I mean they're

456
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: so adventurous, Like I feel like their wedding will be

457
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: like on top of a mountain, so she can't. She

458
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: also can't be in anything too big. Um. I mean,

459
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they'll are low yeah, like climb up,

460
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: do a hike, and I have a beautiful scenery, so

461
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: nothing too too crazy. I feel like I can see

462
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: her in like a strap less scown. That's what I

463
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say. Yeah, I was gonna say strap less. Um,

464
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: Like I would say pretty like close a forms to

465
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: the body until like the waste, and then I'd say

466
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: it comes out. It flows out, but not in like

467
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: a poofy princess sort of way, like minded, but more

468
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: kind of like my reception dress where it's like sleek

469
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: and more of a modern Um. Yeah, I totally a

470
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: line out. Yeah, I see that same same here. But

471
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting now with both couples, and maybe I'm behind

472
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: the times. You guys gotta tell me. Um that we've

473
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: mentioned like a looping, so like you know, maybe five

474
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: years ago, I feel like maybe even two years ago,

475
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: like we said eloping. Everything's like, oh really you like

476
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: that feels like you should have wedding now after the pandemic.

477
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: It feels like a loping is kind of like the

478
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: not the cool thing to do. But like it's making

479
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of sense for a lot of couples. Yeah,

480
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense. I mean it's just easy and

481
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: you you're able to kind of have a more intimate ceremony.

482
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: So I know a lot of couples to do the lopement,

483
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: but then they have a big party for everyone to

484
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: like also celebrate. Um. I think it depends you on

485
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: the just personality. Like I think age is a difference.

486
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: The older you get, the like less totally interested you

487
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: are for like a huge, huge, huge, huge wedding or

488
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times older couples are paying for it themselves,

489
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: so they're not gonna opt for like spending money on

490
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: a wedding when they want to like put a deposit

491
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: down on a house. You know, it's like give her take, Okay,

492
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well it's interesting. Actually we've had we

493
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: have four couples this week. They got engaged. We've talked

494
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: about two of them. Who are the other two that

495
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: we have? Hailey Ferguson and she got in gay to

496
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: her hockey boyfriend. His name is how do you say it?

497
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: Uh ula? Uh? He is he um. He's a professional

498
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: hockey player. He's twenty nine. He proposed to her on Thursday,

499
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: May thirteen. Her ring is also just out of this

500
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: world stunning and huge, and uh, it looks like she's

501
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: hinting at a summer two weddings, so they already talked

502
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: about it. I'll stalked it to Haley and she said

503
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: that she was. She was surprised at when it happened.

504
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: He apparently just got back to America because he plays

505
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: overseas and it was like the first couple of days

506
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: that he was here. She was expecting it to happen

507
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: maybe sometime this summer, but definitely not at this point.

508
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: And she said, I was wearing white just by coincidence.

509
00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: That's amazing deep down she knew, addressed Haley Ferguson. Oh, Um,

510
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: I feel like both Haley and what's her sister also engaged,

511
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: and I love that they get to share this engagement

512
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: period of their lives together. That's so cute, so cute.

513
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: They love sharing things together and this is like obviously

514
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: on things you can. Yeah, and at least they're not

515
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: sharing the man. That'd be weird. Oh, both of those

516
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: girls are so beautiful. I said. They definitely are like

517
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: a little sexier, so I would do a deep plunging

518
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: v with like illusion lace and like they definitely I

519
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: see a fuller a fuller skirt. Same. Yeah, you must

520
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: do this for a living or something. You're really good.

521
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: This is my favorite thing. I love dressing people. And

522
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: we're going to do it virtually. Maybe they're gonna listen

523
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: and be like, you know what, this is free advice.

524
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: I need to follow it. Ashley. Final person from Bastination

525
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: to get engaged this week. So it's Sydney Nicole High.

526
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: We know her from Peter Season and I've been I

527
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 1: love I think she's so pretty and I've been following

528
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: her and her boyfriend's relationship over the past year. He's

529
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: an NFL player. His name is Fred Warner. He plays

530
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: for the forty niners, and they are so cute together.

531
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: And he posted a picture yesterday that said when you

532
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: know you know of him down on one knee, and

533
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: then she she posted the day and she says it's

534
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: you and me and it's so cute and guess what

535
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: She's holding a red rose, a single red rose in

536
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: her hand, and then they're just so sweet. That's sweet.

537
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking this up right now. I I am super

538
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: pumped about this. One because I actually had looked at

539
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: their um their story a few weeks ago, and this

540
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: this is super cool, I know, I guess. So, so

541
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: she's saving a spot for Paradise because hey, she would

542
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: have been super sought after there, and I'm sure the

543
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: other girls are glad that she won't be there for

544
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: competent they're so cute. Okay, what kind of wedding dress

545
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: do you see? Yees, Sydney. Oh gosh, it needs to

546
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: be like definitely like a finn flare, so super curve

547
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: hugging and you know, definitely a little probably illusion I

548
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: imagine illusion lace with a little beating. What's illusion lace?

549
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: So illusion lace is like it's been trendy for probably

550
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: probably a good decade now, but it's mesh with lace

551
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: on top without it being lined, and so it's very

552
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: like the laces strategically placed so you don't you know,

553
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: have a nip slip or anything, but it just looks

554
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: like laces literally applicate on your body. Oh that's cool. Yeah, Okay,

555
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Well I guess to round about this dress hypothesis session,

556
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: what kind of dress is Ben's fiance just gonna wear

557
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: their November wedding? I don't know jess is so adorable.

558
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: I love her so much. Um same, oh good? I

559
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: pictured her in lace. I don't know why, me too, Yeah,

560
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: I pictured her in lace, A line, A line, A line.

561
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. I know that she's very She picked

562
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: out her wedding dress. Um, I know that she's so

563
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: excited about it that she made I think she asked

564
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: her mom and my mom when they left, like, hey,

565
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: how inappropriate is it for me to wear my wedding

566
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: dress after the wedding? And they're like, Jessica, we can't

567
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: come Like Ben can't come home and find you like

568
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: sitting on the couch in the weddings or he can

569
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: if that's what you're he can do you guys? Do

570
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: you both do that? Do you ever put it back on?

571
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh my goshn is it weird that I will have

572
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: a desire to put it on. It's like so sacred

573
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: to the day. Yeah, did you put yours in? Like?

574
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Did you preserve yours? It's still sitting on my mom

575
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: like in the guests room bed, still like big sufy

576
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: on the bed. Did you have I had two dresses?

577
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: You know she was gonna have to you too too? Yeah,

578
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I too, I I don't see jus having to. I

579
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: feel like when she loves something, she'll wear it right then,

580
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: like she'll wear it the whole day. That was my thought.

581
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I never wanted to dresses. I was like, I want

582
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: to love my first one so much that I never

583
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: want to take the other one off. Um, But that's

584
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: just not how it played out. And I was actually

585
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: super grateful because we I walked into the first dance

586
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: at all the dances and stuff in my you know,

587
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: the church gown, and then I was like, I cannot

588
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: walk around this ballroom in this ball gown because everybody

589
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: stepping on it. All the chairs are in the way.

590
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: So I was super grateful to be able to change.

591
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: And we changed right before the cake cutting, so like

592
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: all the dancing, all like the fun dancing and stuff,

593
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: was in a much lighter dress that I didn't have

594
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: to like walk around like Queen Elizabeth in not know

595
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: I had like an old queen. I had a friend too.

596
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: We like mid reception, we had to like unbutton her

597
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: and she had to like just breathe because it was

598
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: a big gown that you know, it's heavy, those things

599
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: are heavy. Oh my dress must have been like thirty

600
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: and tight and tight. Yeah, you know you want to

601
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: squeeze it all in to like yeah, not breathing. Well,

602
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: this is a really special time for bat foun Nation.

603
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: We couldn't have thought of a better person to come

604
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: down and break down love with us. Heartstock now one

605
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: last time. Yes, your book The Road to Roses June

606
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: out on shelves, please go pick it up. Thank you

607
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: for joining us today. This is something so special for us.

608
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: And thank you for talking to us about wedding dresses.

609
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: That was really fun for me. Good. It's always great

610
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: to have Desiree on the podcast. But we're gonna transition

611
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: out a more headlines. Uh, no, more engagements so far

612
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: this week. We'll talk about him next week. If there is,

613
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: who else is on the lineup? Anyone? I don't even

614
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: know now, I don't know Sydney, you know what, Sydney

615
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: lat Waco. I think it has one come in. You

616
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: know she's still with her boyfriend. I hope so. Um

617
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: if not, let me do a quick check. Yeah, not

618
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: so very awkward, Um as you check up. Yeah, you know,

619
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: there are some some very happy couples in Bachelor Nation.

620
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: It's always fun to talk about their love stories. To

621
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: see it's fun to see how these these love stories

622
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: progress and to see who they end up with. Um Ashley,

623
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: any update, Is Sydney still with her boyfriend? Yes, they're

624
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: still together. I would say that could be the next

625
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: to let's look for it. Well, hey, uh. In addition

626
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: to that, we have some paradise coming up here soon,

627
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: so maybe we'll get someone paradise that we can talk about.

628
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: But anyways, enough of the engagement. We're going to talk

629
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: about some headlines. And here's the first. The quote is

630
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: I remember feeling so guilty. Colton Underwood recalls fear of

631
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: being outed while on the Bachelorette. This according to USA Today,

632
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: You guys, we got some tea from this Variety air

633
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: view that came out this like like wow, So he

634
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: was afraid while being on Becca Koufren's season of The

635
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: Bachelorette that he was gonna get outed by one of

636
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: the other guys, or like just by like by somebody

637
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: in general, not like one of the guys that was

638
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: there in the house, but like he was afraid during

639
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Speaker 1: filming that it was going to come out that he

640
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: had been on the gay dating app Grinder. And he said,

641
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: I remember feeling so guilty, Like, what the hell am

642
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: I doing? Um, it was the first time I'm letting

643
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: myself even go there. He said, I need to be

644
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: on the Bachelorette because I need to be straight. Like

645
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: he just thought that like being on the Bachelorte would

646
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Speaker 1: lead him to more of a straight life and that

647
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: hopefully he would get a girlfriend out of it. But

648
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy to think that he was on

649
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Grinder and um, he said he did have sexual encounters

650
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Speaker 1: with men. He said, well, he really was a virgin

651
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: on the show. It didn't mean that he didn't have

652
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: like hookups to some capacity with men beforehand. And he

653
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: was thinking, I know, I know, I thought when he

654
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: first came out a month ago he said that you

655
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: never have a sexual encounter. I'm confused now because according

656
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: to this variety, it says quotes like I'm reading the quote.

657
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: It says, well, this is okay, so it's not a

658
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: quote from him, but it says that Underwood reveals through

659
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: the show he was highlight It was highlighted that he

660
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: was a virgin, and he was he did have sexual

661
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: encounters with men he met on the dating app Grinder,

662
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: which made aid which left him anxious, then one might

663
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: find out and out him to a tabloid. Wait, can

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Speaker 1: team behind the scenes here, can we do some research

665
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: and go back to the quote when he first came out,

666
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: because this, I mean this does change stuff. No, I

667
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: mean still like super happy for quote that he's able

668
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: to live his true self now. But if so, it

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00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: does bring up the question like if we did an

670
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Speaker 1: interview with him, like how did you choose to go

671
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: and be the Bachelor if you would like already had

672
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: relationships with men before it, because the original statement I

673
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: thought and tell me if I'm crazy, um, that he hadn't. Well,

674
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: our team is telling us now. He said he didn't

675
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: have an emotional connection. That was his quote, So I

676
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: guess you cannot have an emotional connection but still have

677
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: a physical connection. So that makes more sense, more sense.

678
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: But um, interesting for sure. And it is surprising in

679
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: today's world with how much information the sleuthers get, especially

680
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: with when he went on the show. Wasn't it long

681
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: ago that they didn't find this out? Because they find everything.

682
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: But I'm freaking mind boggled. So Colton had a grinder

683
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: profile before being on The bachelorrect did he use a

684
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: different picture? Did he have a picture up there, because

685
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: how did that not get out? The Reddit people find

686
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: out everything, the message boards find out all the crazy stuff,

687
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: and they put everything together. The fact that there was

688
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: not one person that he had had some sort of

689
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: physical contact with come out. I mean, he really is

690
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: lucky in the sense that, like that was a fear

691
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: of his and it didn't come true. Um, he continues.

692
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: More tea that we get from this Variety article is that,

693
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: um he He says that he was blackmailed into coming out.

694
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: So he was at a a spa. He was visiting

695
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: a spa for gay men. They're known for catering to

696
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: click gay clientele. And the anonymous sender he got an

697
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: email from and they claimed to have nude photos of

698
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: him from his visit there and said that they were

699
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: going to leak it to the press. He said, unsure

700
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: of what to do, he forwarded this email to his

701
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: publicist and it was the first time him emailing the publicist.

702
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: Was the first time he'd ever come out to anybody

703
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: in the world. But he said that he was able

704
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: to trust that his publicist was like not going to

705
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: do anything that would hurt him, and uh, that was

706
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: what started the process of him having to come out

707
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: to the public, and they also go on to say

708
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: that will watch him come out to his parents on

709
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: the Netflix reality show. This is uh, I mean there's

710
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: a lot going on here, right, I mean, it's been

711
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: a it's had been a big year for him for

712
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: multiple reasons, big and you know, but I mean, this

713
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: is all interesting, and uh, I'm just surprised. I'm shocked

714
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: that there was photos taken at this place. I mean

715
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: that just seems illegal, like right, like and I mean

716
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: even if they blackmailed, that's it has to be illegal

717
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: at some level. It makes it seem there's a possibility

718
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: that the photos don't even exist, but that somebody saw

719
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: him at the gay Spa and then you know, pretended

720
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: as if they had photos just to like kind of

721
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I know you're gay and I'm going

722
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: to go to the press with it, because I mean,

723
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: the photos didn't they never surfaced, so there's a possibility

724
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: that they don't exist. But like, how crazy is this

725
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: seems like so much different than the experience with men

726
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: that we were gathering from Pulton's interviews last month, because

727
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: this sounds as if like he has known he was gay.

728
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, because he was kind of acting on it,

729
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: and in the interviews with Robin Roberts a kind of

730
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: made it seemed like he was keeping all this in

731
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: and he was just about to start exploring so many

732
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: questions because then he was, you know, with Cassie for

733
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: how long after this. Um, It's like, you know, it's

734
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: not like he left the show, so so much going

735
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: on here. Stories are continuing to unfold. UM, just a

736
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: lot to consume. Well, anyways, hey, let's move on then.

737
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 1: UM to one of your favorite people in the world,

738
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: Jade Roper. Her quote is this, and it's it's I'm

739
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: sure you know a lot about this as one of

740
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: her closest friends. But her quote is she thought she

741
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: was going to die before experiencing postpartum PTSD Disaccording to

742
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: e she's referring to the fact that she went into

743
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: labor in the closet. I mean seriously, she said, when

744
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: I was giving birth, I had such a precipitous labor

745
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: that I thought something wrong was happening. I thought I

746
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: was going to die. I thought I was going to die,

747
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: and so after that experience, I would have flashbacks that

748
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: were not safe, she says. She said that she like

749
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: kind of had this breakdown to the Tanner and then

750
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: she went on to treat to seek treatment through hypnotherapy

751
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: because it was super scarring on her. So I know

752
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: we've talked about this here on the podcast, but what

753
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: happened was that her water broke and then she thought, okay, well,

754
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: like with Emmy, I know, it was a fast birth

755
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: for her first especially, it was like seven or eight

756
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: hours from her water breaking. So she was like, okay,

757
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a quick bath and then we'll

758
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: head over to the birthing center. And once she took

759
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: that quick bath, she got up to get her clothes

760
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: in her closet and all of a sudden, she just

761
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: would not move. Was totally debilitated. So there was within

762
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: an hour of her water breaking that the head that

763
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: Brooks's head was out was crowning. So it was so

764
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: traumatic and so painful. Um and she just, you know,

765
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: it was not like what she ideally wanted to like,

766
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: it was not like the chaos and it was like, yeah,

767
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: I think chaos is a good order. It was just

768
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: not the kind of environment that she wanted to bring

769
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: a baby into. And she said that when Brooks, you know,

770
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: it was you know out and a baby, you know,

771
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: like a baby, like feeding, you know, he was just

772
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: a baby. She said that she felt like he didn't

773
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: want me. That was the hardest part of it all.

774
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: I felt like I would look at him and feel

775
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: so disconnected and he didn't know I was his mom

776
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: or he didn't want me to be his mom. So

777
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: like there was this un imedient bonding thing that she

778
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: didn't feel like Brooks that she did feel with Emmy,

779
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: and she did, she thought. She thinks she still believes

780
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of that has to do with just

781
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: how he came into this world. Uh So, yeah, it

782
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: took some took some therapy, and she definitely had postpartum

783
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: with Brooks, and um, it was definitely a whole different

784
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: journey than it was with Emmy and with read Catherine

785
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: Lowe hopes Chris Harrison returns as the Bachelor host. Her

786
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: quote is he's a good base this according to us, Yeah,

787
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: he says, She says, I want to see him come back.

788
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: I think he will. I hope he does, because I

789
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: know so many Bachelor fans out there rely on him

790
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: to be the voice of the Bachelor. Said, Chris is

791
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: a good bass that everyone could kind of rely on,

792
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: she says. If we're giving him the time um that

793
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: he's asking for to reflect on certain things, I think

794
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: it's only fair that we kind of say, Okay, you

795
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: did your work. Thank for doing your work, she said.

796
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: And I think we should respect his choices. I mean,

797
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't want to return. I don't know. He

798
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: might be on two different things, but bottom line, Catherine

799
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: is hoping to see Chris comeback. We haven't heard a

800
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: lot from Chris or about the situation a long time.

801
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta dig into that a little bit.

802
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: It's been kind of no but speaking of bachelor engagements,

803
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean I was super kid like. The most headline

804
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: e thing I think that has come out about Chris

805
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: since all this one down in February is that picture

806
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: that he posted of Lauren a couple of weeks ago,

807
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: and I thought that they got married, but they did

808
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: not know. They didn't big old tease. Well, actually, this

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