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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I feel like we're trading spots this week because a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago it was all about Love is Blind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the same. I'm feeling pretty good about it too,

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Speaker 3: pretty excited.

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Speaker 2: So you got me into housewives for a minute there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which you know, because when I went on the Andy

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Speaker 2: Cohn Show, the Andy Cone Show, I'm just gonna call

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Speaker 2: it the Andy con Show. It's not Andy Cohen. What

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Speaker 2: is it called Live with Andy Cohen?

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Speaker 3: Right, it's Oh my god, watch what happens live?

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Speaker 2: Watch it happens live? There we go, whoof? But I

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Speaker 2: you know, because I just like, I haven't started from

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Speaker 2: like start to finish. But then I got hooked there

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Speaker 2: for a minute when I was pregos and then now

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Speaker 2: I'm like back to not watching it. And uh so

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Speaker 2: we have a guest today, Monica Garcia, and she's on

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Speaker 2: Which Housewife again?

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Speaker 3: Salt Lake City? So do you watch salt Lake Yes?

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Speaker 2: Interesting? Yeah, when did Salt Lake Day even debut?

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Speaker 3: It's newer. It's probably been oh, I don't know, three

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Speaker 3: or four seasons or five something like that. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's newer. It may be more than that the year's run.

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Speaker 3: I'm not really sure, but it's definitely one of the

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Speaker 3: newer ones.

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Speaker 2: Why is she a villain? Oh? It was so good? Well,

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Speaker 2: she was new this year. I feel like the news

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Speaker 2: get picked on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but this one was like she was good. She

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Speaker 3: was till the end. She wasn't necessarily the good witch

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Speaker 3: by any means, but like she was good with the

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Speaker 3: group as a whole most part, and then at the

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Speaker 3: end it like curveball came and it was like she

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Speaker 3: was all of a sudden not good anymore. Before I

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Speaker 3: tell you why, I'm gonna ask you a question. Okay, okay, So.

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Speaker 2: If you had to put my hand behind my back

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Speaker 2: of the family feud.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you had a friend, yes, in your group.

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Speaker 2: I had a friend in my group.

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Speaker 3: Okay. That was that you found out was a part

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Speaker 3: of a group of people saying things about you online.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, So may or may not have

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Speaker 3: been you specific or it may not have been that

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Speaker 3: friend specifically, may have, but they were a part of

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Speaker 3: this group that were posting things about your friends, You

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Speaker 3: and your friends on a social media site. How would

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Speaker 3: you feel?

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Speaker 2: Well, we had this discussion when we hired that private investigator,

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Speaker 2: and I said, if it ends up being yeah, someone

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Speaker 2: in the fab, you know, like our little tight circle,

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Speaker 2: like oh god, heaven forbid, it was like anyone of queendom,

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Speaker 2: even though I was like, I would never talk to

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Speaker 2: them ever again, right because that is so hurtful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically that's what happened. She's behind this, she

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Speaker 3: was she is a part of a group, and they

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Speaker 3: find this out like last season or last episode.

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Speaker 2: Basically, well, now I don't like her because I don't

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Speaker 2: like people that go in mind and talk I mean things.

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Speaker 3: So it ended with a very it was fair, and

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Speaker 3: at the reunion she had, she didn't get to talk

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Speaker 3: a whole lot. I mean, they really didn't give her

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Speaker 3: a chance to say a whole lot. I will be

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Speaker 3: I will give her that. So I would love to

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Speaker 3: know a little bit of what she has to say

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Speaker 3: about it. But I think part of her defense was

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Speaker 3: she didn't specifically say certain things about them, but she

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Speaker 3: was still a part of.

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Speaker 2: The group going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was it was kind of just like

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Speaker 2: Me, whether you said specific or not, you're still going

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Speaker 2: on something to talk trash about a friend, Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: that's not cool and it's like for me, it's not

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Speaker 2: even it's just anybody, any any grown adult. Well, first

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Speaker 2: of all kids. I mean that's another thing too. I

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Speaker 2: think that's but once you get to the age where

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Speaker 2: you should know better. Yeah, like I would think that,

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Speaker 2: like our kids would know better not to do that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, a little a little grace for the kids.

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Speaker 2: But if they're as adults going on pages and talking

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Speaker 2: about whether it's a friend, it's even I think it's

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Speaker 2: even worse. Well, it's obviously it's worse with a friend,

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Speaker 2: but going on talking about anybody, whether it's a celebrity,

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Speaker 2: it's just rude.

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Speaker 3: You don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there are things when I look at like

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Speaker 2: I would I may think in my head, but I'm

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Speaker 2: never gonna say this person's crazy, right and put it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And having an opinion about someone and then taking

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Speaker 3: it to that level is where you get to the

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Speaker 3: bully situation. It can happen, and that's where it's hard.

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Speaker 3: I mean it was hard to watch this season because

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Speaker 3: it was like, you felt I felt for her in

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Speaker 3: so many ways, and she became friends with these girls,

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Speaker 3: most of them, and then it was just like stopped

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Speaker 3: in the tracks because they found this information out.

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Speaker 2: Was there like a ringleader that was a part of

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Speaker 2: it more than her that?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm sure maybe, I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: would love to hear more from her and so and

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Speaker 3: do you know, I don't know if you know the

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Speaker 3: whole Like Ginshaw, she's the one that went to prison. Yes,

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Speaker 3: that was on there. Yes, So it started apparently because

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Speaker 3: she she was helping to take her down. She worked,

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Speaker 3: worked with her, was her an assistant. It's a little

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Speaker 3: vague how she was involved with her and she was

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Speaker 3: basically helped take her down. Was it money again, like

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Speaker 3: wire fraud? Ginshaw?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wire fraud.

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Speaker 2: You know, how do people think they're going to get

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Speaker 3: I mean you'd think at this point if you're a housewife,

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Speaker 3: especially because they've made so.

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Speaker 2: Many got so many eyeballs on you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I truly don't know.

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Speaker 2: Like I get wanting to save money, like I don't

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Speaker 2: want to pay taxes, and I'm always like pay Kevin,

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Speaker 2: like what do you gotta do? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: But like it's you got to do it, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. He's like, do you want to go

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Speaker 2: to jail, Yeah you want, okay.

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Speaker 3: But wirefraud is definitely I mean, her situation was definitely different.

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Speaker 3: This was not like tax evasion. What is why where

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Speaker 3: it's basically like taking people's money.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's awful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know all the details of all

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Speaker 3: it was a pretty bad, pretty bad situation. Yeah. So boy, anyway,

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Speaker 3: it just made me think of that situation about only

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Speaker 3: hired when we hired the PI, because it felt so

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Speaker 2: You know, for like a split second, I know, it

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Speaker 2: I was like, if it's Catherine, oh god, that would

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Speaker 2: break my freaking world. It'd break my heart.

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Speaker 3: I just can't because it was so personal.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we know now like who it was,

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Speaker 2: but like and it was in our group. It was

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Speaker 2: a scorned person, but it was so just like they

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Speaker 2: had information that I'm like, what.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those two When you're in this situation,

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Speaker 3: it's like it does make you go, well did I

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Speaker 3: of like freak out, like kind of like oh my god,

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Speaker 3: did I No, No, I didn't even know that piece

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Speaker 3: But I remember being like asking, because it does it

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Speaker 3: know it obviously wasn't me, but what if I was

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Speaker 3: You know? And then it's like, no, I didn't do

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Speaker 3: that in it, but it's it's that position does not

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Speaker 2: I could see how that would be like, because I

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Speaker 2: mean that's me, I'm like, well, God.

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Speaker 3: Did I say? It makes you kind of let you

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Speaker 3: second guess yourself. But then I was like, my God, like,

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Speaker 3: first of all, I'm one has to clean this up, like.

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Speaker 2: The PI person the funniest not the funniest thing. But

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest lesson with all that is one

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Speaker 2: of the people in that that group or whatever that was,

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Speaker 2: was you know, saying a lot of the lies. Was

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Speaker 2: I was trying to I'm not convinced, but I'm like

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Speaker 2: trying to tell this other person that was hanging out

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Speaker 2: this is a lie, like a blatant lie, and it's

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Speaker 2: interesting how karma ends up working out and turning around

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Speaker 2: because they they ended up seeing yeah you know that

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Speaker 2: was like it was almost like this validation And they

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Speaker 2: never said it to me, but I heard from like

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Speaker 2: like am I Am I crazy?

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Speaker 1: One?

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Speaker 2: Like yourself? Yeah? So well?

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Speaker 3: And I also think too, that's why sometimes you do

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Speaker 3: out for themselves. It's so hard. It's so hard. Trust me,

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Speaker 3: I'm literally the worst at that. But I do think

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Speaker 3: because you, I mean, I know you like said things,

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Speaker 3: let it be like either they'll figure it out or

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Speaker 3: they won't, And it's fine.

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Speaker 2: It's validating when people figure it out though, validating, But I.

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Speaker 3: Feel validated when I hear things about your guys. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: we're not crazy. Yeah, but anyway, so yes, I'm excited

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Speaker 3: about Monica though I know how's filming the movie by

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Speaker 2: Fasting emotions to even chat about it. Wow, okay, but

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Speaker 2: I will eventually eventually. Okay, all right, well I'm running

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Speaker 2: on e eyop. All right, let's take a break and

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Speaker 2: then let's get her on. Okay, Monica, Yeah, are you

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Speaker 2: born and raised in Salt Lake?

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Speaker 1: No? I was actually born in Boston and pretty much

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Speaker 1: raised in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why did you move to Salt Lake.

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Speaker 1: Because of my ex husband?

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Speaker 2: He was a husband?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, how long How long are you with your ex?

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Speaker 1: Oh? See, my oldest is eighteen, so eighteen years.

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Speaker 2: You have an eighteen year old?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's almost nineteen.

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Speaker 3: How old are you?

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Speaker 1: I am thirty nine?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I got pregnant very young. I got pregnant

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Speaker 1: when I was nineteen.

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Speaker 2: We're just talking about that like early, really, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean she's a younger mom.

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Speaker 3: I'm an old mom. Yeah, I'm mean I have a

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Speaker 3: fifteen year old.

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Speaker 2: So you've been on Salt Lake season for this is

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying because I was put on a

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Speaker 2: The other girls weren't talked about then on that page.

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Speaker 1: We never talked about them. Anything that was talked about them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that the women were probably more

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Speaker 3: Yeah? For sure, And I mean, honestly, that's what I

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Speaker 2: Do you think it has to do with the fact too,

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny. I think it's funny to shame

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Speaker 1: I know your stylist in La raw died your ass

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Speaker 3: And this is why I think that she should stay

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked actually, because I mean everyone wants to watch

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Health Lives is. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: She shot on the show, but then they played housewives

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Speaker 1: doing crystal meth and bathrooms, you have people flipping tables,

440
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 1: you have people physically, you know, assaulting each other and

441
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: throwing glasses, and it's like, what did I do? I

442
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: didn't cheat on any legacy. That is the legacy, you know.

443
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: So it's that's true.

444
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And if we're talking about like ourselves, she

445
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: was the only one that pissed on herself in a bus,

446
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: so you know that would be her.

447
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 2: But anyways, oh man, so would you go back then

448
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 2: if they said, if they asked you to come back,

449
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: I feel.

450
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: Like they would not ask me to come back with

451
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: this cast. I think that there would probably have to

452
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: be cast changes just because the women are so like,

453
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: no we will not do it, but I would go back.

454
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: I just don't think that there's an opportunity for me

455
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: to do so with this cast.

456
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: So what what is next for you that?

457
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys will have to see. You will have

458
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: to see. There are some things coming up that I

459
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: actually really am excited about and can't wait for people

460
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: to see. I wish I could talk about them, but

461
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: I can't. But yeah, I've just been pretty much going

462
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: on an incredible gay tour around the country and visiting

463
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: all these amazing LGBTQ clubs, and it's honestly been an

464
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: incredible experience. They're amazing and they make me feel so loved,

465
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: and they, you know, remind me of why I did

466
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: the show in the first place, which was to show that,

467
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, you can have financial struggles, you can be

468
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: going through a divorce, you can be a single mom,

469
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: and you can have a crazy mother and still be

470
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: on housewives, you know. So I think I think that

471
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: was achieap for sure.

472
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: Speaking of I do have to ask, how are things

473
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: with your mom? Where does that stand?

474
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: Oh? That bitch can rotten hell? Let me tell you.

475
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: She just came out on Twitter with the most disgusting

476
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: thing about me over Easter, like your mom yet yeah,

477
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: she tweets the nastiest things about me, and then she'll

478
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: be like I cry myself to sleep because I miss them.

479
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can stay missing, bitch, because you will

480
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: never see us again. She said the most awful things

481
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: about me. I haven't spoken to her in months, and

482
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: I will never speak to her again ever.

483
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't know the dynamic what was

484
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: there was just something that was like, what was what

485
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: was the big explosion.

486
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: He talks about me? So okay, so me. The most

487
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: recent one was she.

488
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 2: Why do you why do you have a fault?

489
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 3: Like, why do you have a hard relationship with your mom?

490
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: Oh? Did you watch the show?

491
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the show?

492
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, yeah.

493
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: That's a genuine question. That wasn't me being.

494
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, no, no, for sure, that was I.

495
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: Just didn't know if you really did.

496
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: For the listeners that haven't watched, like yeah.

497
00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. My relationship with my mother is very, very volatile,

498
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: and it's been like that my whole life, where it's

499
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: up down, up, down, and the highs are really high

500
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: but the lows are low. Growing up, I think I

501
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: hold a lot of resentment because she constantly had men

502
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: in and out of her life, which means I constantly

503
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: had these men in and out of my life. I

504
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: talk about with my mother on camera actually about her

505
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: leaving me in the trunk of a car one time

506
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: while she was making out with a guy. Yeah, she's

507
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: very very you know, she left me with a different

508
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: family when I was twelve, in a different state. You know,

509
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: there's just there's a lot of trauma that has happened

510
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: over the years, but now what she's doing in present

511
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: current time is unforgivable. She talks about me as a mother,

512
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: being a neglectful mother, saying I leave my kids to

513
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: fend for themselves and they're feral and all this, and

514
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's absolutely my I'm blowing. She talks about

515
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: how I will leave and do these appearances and that

516
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: it's disgusting that I will leave my kids for four days.

517
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's a lot of her own shame and her

518
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: own shack, you know.

519
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's pretty funny to have a mother shame

520
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: their daughter right for leaving their kids for four days,

521
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: when you literally left them with friends for over a year.

522
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's very, very toxic. It's very damaging to

523
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: my mental health, and I will never allow it in

524
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: my life again. Never.

525
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: Good for you for recognizing that, because I was actually

526
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 3: shocked that you had her involved on the show.

527
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, because I appreciate you giving me the opportunity

528
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: to say this, because so many people have asked me that.

529
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: When we started filming, my mother and I were in

530
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: a good place and I told production, I said, you

531
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: guys are going to see some ship for sure if

532
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: I record with my mother, because I knew our relationship right,

533
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: But I did want to show that to the world

534
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: because that is my real life. And I'm doing a

535
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: reality show literally called Real Housewives, and that is my

536
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: real life. My real life is this awful relationship really

537
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: with my mother. And I was shocked at how many

538
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: people resonated with that and felt seen by that. It

539
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: went worse than I could have ever imagined. I didn't

540
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,959
Speaker 1: think it would go that bad, and truthfully, the show

541
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: helped me completely sever that relationship with my mother. Watching

542
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: it back on a big screen is a very out

543
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: of body experience seeing how bad it actually is when

544
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: you grow up with it and you're living it. It

545
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: feels normal. When you're actually watching it play out and

546
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: you're having the world comment on how toxic it is,

547
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: it opens it up for you ways you never saw before.

548
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: But then seeing how she also acted on Twitter online

549
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: in real time was like wow. So you know, the

550
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: show did give me the strength and honestly recognition. I

551
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: was able to realize how bad that relationship really was.

552
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. So take it back for a second. Okay,

553
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: So the Genshaw stuff, we got to touch on this

554
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: real fast. Okay, Yeah, so how did it come about

555
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: for you to get involved to talk to the authorities

556
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: and take us back to that a little bit.

557
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So I never knew for sure what was going

558
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: on with Jen. I knew that there was a lot

559
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: of weird things happening, but one night in particular, she

560
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: explained to me exactly what her business was. After that

561
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: conversation with her.

562
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: And the business is I don't understand. It's like it

563
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: was it like money laundering or well, there were like.

564
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: Several things like she was running a sales floor in

565
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: New York. She was also like I think had licenses

566
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: in like Wyoming or Idaho or something and Utah. I

567
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: mean it was kind of it was statewide, it was

568
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: multiple states, okay, but that she was running this scam

569
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: with elderly people, which also you know, involved their credit cards,

570
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: their bank accounts, money, all this kind of stuff. So

571
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: it was more than just like one charge. It wasn't

572
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: just like money laundering there.

573
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: She was telling you all this.

574
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

575
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: So what she said to me was she had a

576
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: fight with Stuart and she was like, Sture, I'm looking done.

577
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: Is that her husband assistant? Okay?

578
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Wait what?

579
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: Okay? And I know who Stewart was, So I asked

580
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: her who Stewart was.

581
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, her business partner slash like assistant

582
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: right okay. So she was like, do you want to

583
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: make six hundred that dollars a year? And I was

584
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: like what And she's like, this is how it works.

585
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I have several things in his name because I can't

586
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: have my name on all the business things. So I

587
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: have several people put things in their names that I

588
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: funnel all the money through, and then I give them

589
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: a kickback of that money, but I can't have my

590
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: name on it. And then she was like, it's kind

591
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: of like real estate, how you can't be like the

592
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: agent and broker at the same time. So to get

593
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: around that, I have multiple people open businesses is for

594
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: me in their names, and I funnel all the money,

595
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, the millions of dollars through and then I

596
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: pay them a salary from that. And she's like, do

597
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: you want to put it in your name? And I'm

598
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: like nope. So then after that conversation, I immediately called

599
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: my friend who worked in the Secret Service. This also

600
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: got like blown out of proportion because they think I

601
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: just called the Secret Service and opened a case against her.

602
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: I got her arrested. No, I called a freaking friend

603
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: for advice, as many of us do. He works in

604
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: the Secret Service. For anyone that doesn't know the Secret Service,

605
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: they don't just protect they also have like daily jobs

606
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: that they'll go do when they're not like protecting the

607
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: president or vice president or whatever. He literally deals with

608
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: these money scams. That's what he does. So I called him.

609
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: I told her what he said as a friend. He

610
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: advised me he wasn't working on the case or anything.

611
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Get the fuck away from jen Shaw. What she's doing

612
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: is hella illegal and she'll end up going to prison.

613
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: That's when I got the fuck away and out of

614
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: the situation. Then she was arrested right as everyone saw.

615
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: I myself contacted the federal government, showed them what I

616
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: had as proof, told them what I experienced, what I

617
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: saw when what I was told. That is how I

618
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: became a witness in her trial. That ultimately did not

619
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: happen right because she ended up pleading guilty. That's the

620
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: quick version of that.

621
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: How many years is she in prison for?

622
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: I think she got six and a half, but I

623
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: think it's down to like five five and a half

624
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: now or anything like that.

625
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: What was it for you when she went to jail?

626
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: Was it a little like, ha, you got what you deserved?

627
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: Or is there do you feel a little empathy like

628
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: that sucks? Like? What is your vibe now that she's

629
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: in prison? When you when you heard she was going to.

630
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: Jail, yeah, it was very validating. To be honest, I

631
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: don't feel empathy for someone that was defrauding the elderly,

632
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: many of which who took their own lives because they

633
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: were robbed of their savings and the stress and everything

634
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: from that for over a decade. I don't feel sympathy

635
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: for that. I don't feel sympathy for someone that I

636
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: literally saw abuse myself and my friends and also owed

637
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: my friends and myself several thousands of dollars. I felt

638
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: like it was very validating because so many people didn't

639
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: believe us. So many people thought she was innocent or

640
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: wasn't who we were saying she was. So it kind

641
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: of just felt like okay, it felt like justice completely

642
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: and honestly, it felt like okay that she got what

643
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: she deserved.

644
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: And exactly again what we were talking about earlier too. It's

645
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: like sometimes you just have to step back and then

646
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: people will see the real person, you know, in time,

647
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh, wait, I'm not crazy, you know,

648
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: yes exactly.

649
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, which suck because I did go

650
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: through all those emotions of like where psycho, we're crazy?

651
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Where you know whatever? And then she went to prison.

652
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: It was like, yeay, validated, and then I get on

653
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: the show and then the cast makes you feel psycho

654
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: and crazy, like I'm a worse person than someone that

655
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: is sitting in prison for defrauding the elderly out of

656
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: millions and dollars and punched you in the face like

657
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm worse than that. You know, you go through all

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Speaker 1: of that all over again.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing all of it, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I would like to see it play out, but you know,

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Speaker 2: we're excited to see what you know you have coming

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Speaker 2: up and you can share, but everyone follow along with

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Speaker 2: Monica and and we'll see what's next. So thanks for

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Speaker 2: coming on, my gal.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to say thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. I'm literally fangirly. I love you and

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Speaker 1: I love your podcast and I have for so long

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Speaker 1: and I thank you. Guys are amazing and I'm like

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Speaker 1: an honor.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Monica. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. Thank you You're sweet.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love you, Monica. Thanks friend. Okay, my girl Sea.

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Speaker 2: You know that elderly stuff is so sad because my

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Speaker 2: I was just talking to my dad about it and

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Speaker 2: he was He's like, yeah, grandma has like fifteen credit

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Speaker 2: cards and I'm like, wait what because you know they

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Speaker 2: and then something else happened there day too where he's

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Speaker 2: like why are you paying? He's like, well, this person

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Speaker 2: said that they need like two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: You know, but that's they give them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's and it wor all says that oh

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Speaker 2: you owe like it said I owed like three grand. No,

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Speaker 2: you don't pay that, grandma. You don't know who that

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Speaker 2: person is. You're not giving them three grand you know.

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Speaker 2: But that's just they think they have a bill. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let me get their little.

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Speaker 3: Check book out, you know.

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Speaker 1: So cute.

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Speaker 3: It's so sad, though, like that people actually put these

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Speaker 3: things in their name, like that Jen convinced people to

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Speaker 3: put these businesses and stuff in their names. Like, it's

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Speaker 3: all just crazy to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that people like won't rat you out, you know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: On top of all of that, and then also, why

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Speaker 2: is she not on the show?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I'm just like, but here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I truly, I'm so glad I got to ask her

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Speaker 3: those questions because yes, she did say some of that

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Speaker 3: in the reunion, but when you have a whole group

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Speaker 3: of other women saying basically that she's not telling the truth,

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Speaker 3: it's really hard to see where the truth is, you know.

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Speaker 3: So I lie, I really wanted to hear her side

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Speaker 3: of it. Yes, I know she said that she just

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Speaker 3: reposted or whatever, but I can also see where that

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Speaker 3: is hurtful sure on that end too, because that is

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Speaker 3: still saying so, I mean, I I'm glad she got

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Speaker 3: to explain that, but I can also see where that

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Speaker 3: was a little bit hurtful to them as well. But

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Speaker 3: it's also not what it seemed either. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: know it's interesting, but yeah, it's also interesting the women

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Speaker 3: have that much control over who can film.

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Speaker 2: No idea that that's wild to Yep. So well, I

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Speaker 2: enjoyed that though until next week, Idea