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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where is a missing autistic

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Speaker 1: teen Sebastian Rogers? The hunt is on for this boy?

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Speaker 1: Did he wander away from home entirely barefoot? This as

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Speaker 1: eerie surveillance footage emerges outside Sebastian's home, purportedly of two

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Speaker 1: people with flashlights. What does that mean? I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 1: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: First of all, listen to this.

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Speaker 2: When I welcome up for school, he wasn't there. I

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Speaker 2: took a second walk through the house looking for him,

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Speaker 2: in case you've gotten up and was trying to get

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Speaker 2: breakfast or something, because you did that sometimes. Three minutes

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Speaker 2: in give or page, I was on the phone with

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Speaker 2: my husband. I said I can't found him. He said,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean, can't find them?

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Speaker 1: I said, he's not that you are hearing Sebastian's mother

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Speaker 1: describing the moment that she realizes Sebastian is gone again.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. The search for Sebastian is on. And let

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Speaker 1: me right off the top, give you the tip line

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Speaker 1: sixty one five four five one three, eight, three eight

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Speaker 1: This boy needs our help. Where is Sebastian? Joining me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know right now. But first I want to go out

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Speaker 1: to a very special guest. This is Sebastian's father joining us,

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogers. Mister Rogers, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Could you recount for us when you learn Sebastian is missing?

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Speaker 1: I know, it just seems completely surreal.

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Speaker 3: There's no words for it. I mean, when I found

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Speaker 3: out that he was gone, I was just like, I

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Speaker 3: headed over to Katie's house see what was going on?

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Speaker 3: And he's not here. I don't know where he's at.

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Speaker 3: I've been looking for him every.

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Speaker 1: Day, Seth, What have you been doing to look for him?

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Speaker 1: Every day? And I know that to be true? You

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Speaker 1: are looking for him every day. This young boy is autistic.

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Speaker 1: He may not in a scared and emotional and lost state.

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Speaker 1: He may not even be able to tell someone who

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Speaker 1: he is and where his home is. He is out

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Speaker 1: there lost and the Lord only knows where. Seth, what

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Speaker 1: have you been doing to find Sebastian?

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Speaker 3: Been adding out flyers every day. I've been on this podcast,

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Speaker 3: I've done some face to face interviews on the news.

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Speaker 3: I'm just anything I can. I've been to the South

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Speaker 3: side of Nashville. I've been to Franklin. I've been to Bellevue.

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Speaker 3: I've been through Henderson, I've been through Gallatin, I've been

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Speaker 3: through Clarksville. I've been through Oak Grove, Kentucky. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm handing out flyers finding out I mean, I want

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Speaker 3: everybody to see my son and know that he's missing,

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Speaker 3: and that if you see him, call nine one one.

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Speaker 3: I need my son back.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get my mind around what you

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Speaker 1: and Sebastian's mom are going through. Because when I go

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Speaker 1: the bed, which is rare, you're just still asleep. If

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Speaker 1: and if they're not, there's totally out of character. They're

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Speaker 1: of the normal if they weren't there. Tell me your

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Speaker 3: Katy told me that she when she woke up Monday,

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Speaker 3: morning that he wasn't in his room and she can't

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Speaker 3: find him. And I heard that once I got there.

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Speaker 3: When I got off of work, I had a text

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Speaker 3: message from the stepfather, Chris and a missed phone call,

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Speaker 3: was missing and he didn't know what had happened.

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Speaker 1: So seth to your understanding when you get there to

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Speaker 1: the same What time did you get to the home

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Speaker 3: I got the message at about seven twenty. I was

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Speaker 1: So immediately when you got to the home, tell me

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Speaker 3: The home was clean, I mean, it looked like it

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Speaker 1: So were there any signs of a forced entry at

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Speaker 3: No, there was nothing.

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Speaker 1: Was anything stolen from.

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Speaker 3: The home, not that I was informed of.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if there are burglar lights motion sensor

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Speaker 1: perimeter of the home, No, ma'am. Okay, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: understand his daily routine. Did Sebastian get up every morning

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. What school Beach High School?

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Speaker 1: How far away?

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Speaker 3: I think it's like point six miles.

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Speaker 1: Six miles did you say six miles point six point

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Speaker 1: six miles very close to home? Did he walk or

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Speaker 3: He rode the bus.

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Speaker 1: He rode the bus. Is he mainstreamed? He is autistic?

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Speaker 1: Is he mainstreamed with other students?

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Speaker 3: He's in there? Why we Try program?

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 3: It's for their It's for the special needs children where

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Speaker 3: but they get a little bit extra time. You know,

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Speaker 3: if they have like thirty questions, then in the Why

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Speaker 3: We Try program, they get like twenty and they get

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to understand that morning your wife calls you,

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Speaker 1: have been on a school day?

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Speaker 3: No, it was it was her husband that called me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Was that at seven twenty am?

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Speaker 3: Seven twenty am is when I got to my vehicle

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Speaker 3: Then I got to my trunck about seven twenty, and

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Speaker 3: they had texted me and tried to call me on

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Speaker 1: You found out about it at seven twenty. Is that correct, yes, ma'am. Okay,

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Speaker 1: mister Rogers. Did he go missing on a school day.

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Speaker 3: From my understanding, she put him to bed Sunday night,

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Speaker 3: and yes, Monday morning he's missing.

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Speaker 1: So he's in his room Sunday night. Monday morning, he's

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Speaker 3: He's very intelligent, He's very smart. He just lacks social

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Sebastian right now, and it is breaking

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Speaker 1: What would his reaction be to that seth Rogers.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because I've never seen him have to

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Speaker 3: deal with this. Most of the time, if he's with me,

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Speaker 3: he gets his information from me about interacting with people.

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Speaker 3: You know, if I sit there and I'm meeting new people,

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Speaker 3: I talked to him. It's like son, you can introduce

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Speaker 3: yourself if you like. If he does, he does. If

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Speaker 3: he doesn't want to, I don't make him.

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Speaker 1: Seth, when was the last time you can verify that

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Speaker 3: When I talk to him on Thursday?

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Speaker 1: How often do you see him?

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Speaker 3: I get to see him every other weekend if he's

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Speaker 3: on like a spring break or a fall break, or

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Speaker 3: he's got an extended time away from school for like

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Speaker 3: school days when we had the weather was bad out

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Speaker 3: breaks by get him whatever he's not in.

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Speaker 1: School, Seth. Whenever you have the opportunity to be with Sebastian,

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Speaker 1: isn't it true that you exercise that opportunity? You are

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Speaker 1: with him every chance possible under the law. Yes, ma'am, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing in the rest of the panel. You are hearing.

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogers describe the moment he gets off of work

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Speaker 1: morning to tell him his son, an autistic boy, is missing.

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Speaker 1: From their home, and from what I can tell right now,

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Speaker 1: you heard Aaron Cantrell jumping in earlier, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. Aaron, please don't hold back. Erin, we're not

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Speaker 1: having high tea at Windsor Castle. Aaron is joining us

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Speaker 1: in news Channel five in Nashville. Erin, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. I don't hear anything so far about

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Speaker 1: a forced entry, about a window being open, about anything

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Speaker 1: being taken from the home. I understand that the mother

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, she says, she goes into his bedroom to

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Speaker 1: anyone else else on the panel, do we know that

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Speaker 1: anything else was missing, such as his backpack, a cell phone,

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Speaker 3: His mother said that he's missing the key chain flashlight.

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Speaker 1: That's it, his keychain flashlight. Interesting, interesting, Seth Rogers. When

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Speaker 1: I come in, I put my driver's license and credit cards,

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Speaker 1: which are in a rubber band. That's my pocket book.

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Speaker 1: All of that and my key and a certain spot

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Speaker 1: in the kitchen. Rarely do I put it anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm asking, Seth. You told me that

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Speaker 1: your son, autistic boy, Sebastian, likes things in a certain way,

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Speaker 1: had that flashlight. And I believe you said keys, flashlight

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Speaker 1: and keys attached to each other.

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Speaker 3: It's a key chain flashlight. It's a flashlight that would

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Speaker 3: go in your keys.

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Speaker 1: I bet he always putting them in a certain place,

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Speaker 3: In my house? All of his stuff is in his

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Speaker 3: to look upper drawer, house, key wallet, everything's in his

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now is

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Speaker 1: an expert, a board certified behavior analyst and autism expert,

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Speaker 1: Chief clinical officer with Little Stars Therapy Services, Courtney Laski,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Isn't it

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Speaker 1: true that autistic children, like many of us, like things

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Speaker 1: to be in a certain order for many, many varied reasons.

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Speaker 1: If this was missing from Sebastian's home, I would venture

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Speaker 1: to hypothesize he took it with him.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 6: Yes, And you know, without knowing Sebastian personally, I can't

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Speaker 6: make any assumptions about his behavior, but knowing that this

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Speaker 6: was not a typical history for him to wander to

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Speaker 6: leave the house in the middle of the night, it

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Speaker 6: is interesting that he did leave with that key chain flashlight.

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Speaker 1: You know another thing which is quite the dichotomy, Courtney Laski,

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to throw this to you as well,

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogers. If he was in such routine as I

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Speaker 1: believe he was due to his circumstances being autistic, why

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Speaker 1: would he have left without his shoes? That is not

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Speaker 1: his routine. This is not a child that leaves a

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Speaker 1: I know he didn't have his shoes?

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Speaker 3: Three pairs of shoes were at the front door, his

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Speaker 1: Rid of them. Okay, let me tell you something, Seth.

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Speaker 3: I would know that there's no shoes in his room.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's my answer. He left without his shoes on.

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Speaker 3: Shoes get taken off at the front door. Same as

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Speaker 1: Guys you may think, why is she asking and asking

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Speaker 1: Behavioral evidence evidence of routine hold on Courtney Laski, because

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Speaker 1: Dot com doctor Sherry, thank you for being with us,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry. When I say routine evidence, I don't mean

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Speaker 1: So this autistic child would not have left in the

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Speaker 1: And that is telling me something. Probatively, it proves something

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Speaker 7: I agree completely, Nancy. I actually saw an interview that

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Speaker 7: and he stepped into an ant hill of fire ants.

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Speaker 7: Doesn't believe that he would go out barefoot, and so

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Speaker 7: this goes to that behavioral evidence that you're talking about.

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Speaker 7: This is another fact that's very important that we need

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz. A lot of people may think that

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Speaker 1: this event, Seth, What does it mean to you? Was

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Speaker 1: he prone to go outside and wander around at all period? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Number one? At night in the dark? Number two and

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Speaker 3: From No? I mean the only time he goes outside

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Speaker 1: Very curious about this. And one more thing while it's

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: He does?

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Speaker 1: we don't think he does. Is he have a cell phone?

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Speaker 3: He does have a cell phone.

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Speaker 1: Where's the cell phone.

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Speaker 3: At his mom? And dead? At his mom and stepfathers.

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Speaker 1: Didn't take his cell phone? Seth? Is he like every

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Speaker 3: Phone when he has access to it?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that when does he have access?

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Speaker 9: When he has access to like YouTube and stuff like that,

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Speaker 9: he is glued to his phone because he likes to

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Speaker 1: Okay, you do know that social media because people can

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: No, what I'm talking about is the videos he watches

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Speaker 1: Does he play it?

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Speaker 3: I think he hasn't for his switch at his mom's house,

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Speaker 1: We need a forensic search to that phone pronto, Seth,

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Speaker 1: because I find it very curious if he went voluntarily

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Speaker 1: And it's not just them, I mean everybody takes their

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Speaker 1: Did the mom have the phone put away? Could he

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Speaker 3: Most of the time I've seen the phone plug down

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to Courtney Laski joining us expert and

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Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely agree with you, Nancy. This is a

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Speaker 6: my concern would be related to his autism diagnosis and

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Speaker 6: that deficit in communication and understanding.

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Speaker 6: Is it possible that peers at school or someone has

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Speaker 6: he persuaded to leave, perhaps from his mom's house in

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Speaker 1: Is that you jumping agin Seth?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. I know that his phone was locked down.

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Speaker 3: He had no internet access. He only had the ability

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Speaker 1: Have the police looked at his phone? Have they taken

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Speaker 1: his phone to look at who he may have been

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Speaker 1: Question, where is this coming? Where's this coming from Aaron

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Speaker 1: Cantrell that people saw flashlights, to people with flashlights around

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Speaker 1: seeing in all the headlines the night that Sebastian wandered

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Speaker 8: What go ahead, dear, yes, ma'am, Well, we know we

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Speaker 8: the fact that Sebastian did leave with a flashlight and

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Speaker 1: You keep saying Sebastian did leave. Why are you saying

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Speaker 3: No, you make a good point.

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Speaker 8: I would not leave without my shoes.

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Speaker 1: I think you would either, even more so because you're

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Speaker 1: He doesn't think the same way we think. We have

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Speaker 1: ask you something else, Aaron Cantrell. Isn't it true that

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Speaker 8: Exactly, they have not been able to pick up a scent,

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Speaker 8: So a lot of factors kind of changed the search

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Speaker 1: Officials have now been able to analyze home security video

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Speaker 1: and as I recall, it was around three ten am

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Speaker 1: during which Sebastian goes missing, which leads me to our guest,

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Speaker 1: Douglas McGregor, geographic profileer specializing in violent crime and missing people.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at the Goo profile er. Douglas,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. A lot's happening

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Speaker 1: right here. No K nine sent outside, no shoes, no

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Speaker 1: So if we.

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Speaker 10: Look at if we look at each of these, then

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Speaker 10: no shoes thing. There's a lot of autistic people who

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Speaker 10: They like that texture, that feel. I mean, there's a

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Speaker 10: whole campaign barefooting for autism.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop you right there, Douglas, let me

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Speaker 1: stop you right there. Seth Rogers's right. But does that

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Speaker 1: have anything to do with Sebastian. Did Sebastian go barefoot outside?

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Speaker 1: Was he part of barefoot for Autism? Do you know?

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Speaker 3: No, he's got a pair of slippers that he wears

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Speaker 3: so he doesn't have to put on the socks and shoes.

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Speaker 3: He puts those on it if he's going to go

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Speaker 1: Have you seen him since the ant bad incident go

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Speaker 3: No, not on my house.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, back to you, Douglas McGregor, go ahead.

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Speaker 10: So continuing on with just how he left the premises,

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Speaker 10: the clothing that he was in, a black sweater and

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Speaker 1: Know, that's a really good point, seth Rogers. What about it?

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Speaker 1: Is that what he slept in? How do we know

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Speaker 1: that's what he was wearing.

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Speaker 3: His mom said that he was wearing black leisure pants

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Speaker 3: and a black T shirt, which when he went to bed.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to hear what Eric Acratic, chief

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Speaker 1: Deputy of Sumner County Sheriffs, has to say.

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Speaker 4: Really wanted to come to the community and ask for

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Speaker 4: your help. We need you to search your properties every day,

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Speaker 4: morning and night. If there's a shd or a crawl

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Speaker 4: space or up under your mobile home, or a tarp

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Speaker 4: that's in your yard, check it every morning and check

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Speaker 4: it every night. If he went for any details that

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Speaker 4: something has been disturbed, If there's a shirt that was

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Speaker 4: there today that wasn't there yesterday, notify us. You can

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Speaker 4: really help us by searching your own property twice a day.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, we're operating under assumption that Sabashian walked off,

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Speaker 4: and we really need your help to ensure that he

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Speaker 4: is brought him safely.

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Speaker 1: Did he did he walk off? If so, why are

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Speaker 1: canines not picking up his scent? I can tell you

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Speaker 1: this seth Rogers, and to you, Douglas McGregor, the best

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Speaker 1: witness I ever put on the stand, and all the

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Speaker 1: years I tried cases, and I don't mean shopliftings, I

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Speaker 1: mean felony, homicides, violent crimes. Was a dog. If the

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Speaker 1: dog tells me the dog cannot pick up a scent,

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Speaker 1: I believe the dog. So I'm having hard time accepting

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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing that this young autistic boy just waded

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Speaker 1: out in the middle of the night without shoes on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: back to you, Douglas McGregor, tell me more of your analysis.

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Speaker 10: So looking at what the canines were able to pick up,

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Speaker 10: those canines should be picking up multiple cents. And it's

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Speaker 10: all based on Sebastian's routine activities. You know, does he

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Speaker 10: go to a friend's house during the week, does he

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Speaker 10: go to the corner store, does he occasionally walk to

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Speaker 10: school even taking the bus. Those canines should be picking

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Speaker 10: up all those sins from that seven days past because

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Speaker 10: canines regularly train from a scenarios where someone's gone missing

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Speaker 10: from one hour up to seven days, and bloodhounds can

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Speaker 10: pick up even longer than seven days. So those canines

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Speaker 10: should be picking up since they should be tracking those

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Speaker 10: sens and then ruling them out as as an activity

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Speaker 10: from the past that isn't associated with him going missing.

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Speaker 10: On that Sunday evening.

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogers, why have you been told that authorities are

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Speaker 1: searching a landfill?

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Speaker 3: They told me they just wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 3: there was nothing there.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Contrail joining me News Channel five out of Nashville. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about this landfill search?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, So they had got a tip that potentially

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Speaker 8: from the garbage workers that maybe the trash may have

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Speaker 8: been off a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that. You can't just throw

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Speaker 1: a grenade into my mind palace and expect me not

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Speaker 1: to follow up. What do you mean something was off?

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Speaker 8: So basically the workers said they, you know, they have

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Speaker 8: the same garbage truck drivers that come to the house,

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Speaker 8: and when they picked up the garbage can it just

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Speaker 8: felt more heavier than normal. So they just said that

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Speaker 8: to the authorities. So just to follow up on that tip,

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Speaker 8: they went out to the landfill the search because that's

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Speaker 8: where the trash is taken there in Sumner County. They

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Speaker 8: take it out there to Kentucky. So just following up

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Speaker 8: on that tip, that's what kind of led them out there,

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Speaker 8: because you know, we're used to our garbage, you know,

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Speaker 8: the same garbage truck workers coming out there, they know

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Speaker 8: kind of how the trash usually feels every single day,

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Speaker 8: so it felt a little off for them, so that's

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Speaker 8: why they told that to the authorities. So that's kind

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Speaker 8: of what led them to the landfill to start looking around.

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Speaker 1: Seth Rogers, have you been asked to take a polygraph?

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Speaker 1: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?

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Speaker 3: Volunteered?

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. You know, I hold every

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Speaker 1: parent to the gold standard. I don't know if you've

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00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: ever heard of Mark Klass. His daughter Polly was kidnapped

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Speaker 1: from the home. She was horribly molested and murdered. When

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00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: cops came to heat, like you, was separated or divorced

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Speaker 1: from his wife and lived separately. You know what he

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Speaker 1: said when they came at the door, He's like, take

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Speaker 1: my fingerprints, search my home, search my car. Search my office,

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Speaker 1: do whatever you want, find my daughter, Find who took

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Speaker 1: my daughter, because it's not me, I'll take I'll do

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Speaker 1: whatever you want. And they did all of that. Of

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Speaker 1: course it wasn't him, somebody else. But that said, has

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Speaker 1: the mother and the stepfather taken a polygraph? I know

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Speaker 1: the mom is, so she agreed to a polygraph. What

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Speaker 1: about the stepfather?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: Guys, there is a reward for information into search for

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Speaker 1: this little autistic boy. Aeron at kntrell. I want you

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Speaker 1: to take a listen to what Chief Deputy Eric Kradick

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Speaker 1: has to say. Listen.

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Speaker 4: Last Monday morning, at about six thirty, Sebastian was reported missing

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Speaker 4: from his home. Since then, we've conducted an extensive and

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Speaker 4: exhaustive search around the home looking for any evidence, any

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Speaker 4: trace of Sebastian. At this time, the decision has been

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Speaker 4: made to scale back on the ground search operations. Let

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Speaker 4: me be clear that this does not diminish our commitment

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Speaker 4: to finding Sebastian. This is simply us transitioning from the

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Speaker 4: ground search to the investigative side. We are still committed

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Speaker 4: to finding Sebastian bringing him home safe. We have no leads,

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Speaker 4: no details, to indicate that Sebastian is not alive.

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Speaker 1: From what I know, I can tell you that at

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Speaker 1: this juncture, the family has totally cooperated with police. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious about these flashlights. Back to you. Aaron Kentrell joining

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Speaker 1: us from News Channel five. Aaron, I'm deducing nobody's told

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Speaker 1: me this that the flashlights of apparently two people were

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Speaker 1: saying in that neighborhood. Was it on ring cam?

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: They believe it's a kind of a neighborhood kind of video,

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Speaker 8: so either ring or some version of that in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 8: which I'm in a Facebook group called Finding Sebastian Rodgers,

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Speaker 8: and neighbors have posted in there, like one neighbor said,

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Speaker 8: if he would have walked near their house, you know,

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Speaker 8: you have those automatic lights that sometime come on, but

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Speaker 8: that didn't come on. But in the video with the flashlights,

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Speaker 8: you see two flashlights. That's all you can see because

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Speaker 8: it's so dark. There's no street lights in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 8: But you see two lights walking towards kind of a

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Speaker 8: to the right of the video. But then you see

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Speaker 8: I think it may be into a wooded area and

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Speaker 8: then one of those light, both those lights disappear, but

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Speaker 8: then you see one person stay away, but then some

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Speaker 8: other person or thing comes back into the.

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Speaker 3: Camera.

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Speaker 8: So that's kind of odd too, because you see two

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Speaker 8: flashlights leave and then you see some sort of body

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Speaker 8: of something of one person walk back through the camera.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious how close were the flashlights to their home

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Speaker 1: to Sebastian's home.

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Speaker 8: Very close, so it is kind of right behind the home.

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Speaker 8: Kind of like a common area of the neighborhood, so

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Speaker 8: you know, like a subdivision there may be kind of

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Speaker 8: like some grassier area, maybe people may walk their dogs,

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Speaker 8: that sort of thing. So it's kind of a common area,

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Speaker 8: but very close to Sebastian's home.

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Speaker 1: So these flashlights, we think two people were right behind

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Speaker 1: Sebastian's home. Is that correct, Aaron? Yes, okay. Are you

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Speaker 1: also telling me that there are lights that come on

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Speaker 1: automatically that are motion censored on Sebastian's home.

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Speaker 8: That's what one of the neighbors alluded to in a

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Speaker 8: Facebook post early on in the investigation. You know, there

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Speaker 8: was a Facebook group started, and you know, right now

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Speaker 8: it's flooded with a lot of individuals. In the beginning,

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Speaker 8: it was definitely more just family and neighbors, and one

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Speaker 8: neighbor didn't mention that if he was to have walked

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Speaker 8: by their home, their motion lights would have come on

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Speaker 8: if he walked on the side of their home. So

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Speaker 8: that was kind of odd too, because that's why the

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Speaker 8: neighbors said that was suspicious to her because her light

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Speaker 8: normally comes on if anybody walks past the home, and.

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Speaker 1: Aaron, the motion activated lights on Sebastian and the neighbor's

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Speaker 1: home did not come.

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Speaker 8: On, no, which is in the video when you see

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Speaker 8: the flashlights. That's why all you can see are the

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Speaker 8: two dots of the flashlight. You can't really see anything else.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Aaron this ring doorbell camera

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Speaker 1: or something similar, did it ever show those outdoor light

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Speaker 1: sensors coming on that night?

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Speaker 8: Not in that particular video. So that's the only video

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Speaker 8: that we've been able to get our hands on. Authorities

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Speaker 8: have said they've received several videos and things of that

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Speaker 8: nature sent into them, but all they could confirm for

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Speaker 8: us with that video was that was one of the

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Speaker 8: pieces of evidence that they are looking at, and they

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Speaker 8: are aware of that video, but they could have. Authorities

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Speaker 8: could have other videos that they're looking at. But that's

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Speaker 8: the one that we've been able to get our hands on,

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Speaker 8: which is very odd considering again, Sebastian, they have said

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Speaker 8: that he had that flashlight.

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Speaker 1: With him, Douglass McGregor, It grows curiouser and curiouser to

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Speaker 1: coin a phrase, because if he had walked out of

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Speaker 1: that house, those motion sensor lights would have come on.

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Speaker 1: But from what we can to do, they didn't.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, and I've seen the video. First question would be,

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Speaker 10: let's just set aside the motion sensor lights for a moment.

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Speaker 10: Who who would he leave that house with? If it

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Speaker 10: wasn't one of the three parents, who would it be

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Speaker 10: and those you know?

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Speaker 1: That would be the.

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Speaker 10: Next step in the investigation at that point, looking at

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Speaker 10: that video.

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Speaker 1: And Seth, who can verify his last conversation other than

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Speaker 1: the mom and the stepdad? He was at school on Friday.

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Speaker 1: You spoke to him Thursday night. He was at school

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Speaker 1: on Friday, correct, Yes, ma'am, So I know who was alive,

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Speaker 1: And we'll say at three thirty on Friday afternoon, who

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Speaker 1: saw him other than the parents from that afternoon three

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Speaker 1: thirty ish till we find out he's missing on Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who else, So I don't have any

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Speaker 1: proof of life between Friday afternoon and Monday morning, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: Been informed of anything. We only proof of life would

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Speaker 3: be Katie.

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Speaker 1: His mom was McGregor. Go ahead.

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Speaker 10: I've been following this search and i've and law enforcement

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Speaker 10: has done a thorough job of using different assets at

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Speaker 10: their disposal. But the search needs to be expanded. The

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Speaker 10: number one reason that autistic children go missing are runaways,

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Speaker 10: endangered endangered runaways, and you know, once that hits a

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Speaker 10: certain point in time, statistically it turns into a parent.

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Speaker 10: Abduction is the number one leading cause. But based on

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Speaker 10: his age, they need to expand this search. Where might

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Speaker 10: he go, what method of transportation might he have, and

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Speaker 10: they need to research everywhere that they've already searched within

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Speaker 10: the five mile or ten mile radius. Because autistic children,

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Speaker 10: you know, they have a tendency to hide or avoid stimuli,

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Speaker 10: So just loud noise in general, helicopters, sirens, people shouting,

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Speaker 10: they may hide, they may seek out crevices. That construction

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Speaker 10: site that the dog hit needs to be researched thoroughly.

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Speaker 10: And this is something that not only law enforcement can do,

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Speaker 10: but the parents can get together volunteer searches within the

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Speaker 10: community to search these areas as well.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, let me understand something, Aaron. You told me

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Speaker 1: that the dogs had not made a hit. Wasn't that

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Speaker 1: a false positive at the construction site? Yes, yes, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: But still it needs to be further investigated, you know too.

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Speaker 1: Back to Seth, you keep saying that a piece of

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Speaker 1: the puzzle is missing. Something is missing. It doesn't add up.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that something?

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Speaker 3: So it doesn't add up for him to break routine

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Speaker 3: and to leave the house with no shoes, no socks on,

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Speaker 3: no coat. Something just doesn't make sense. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what he was thinking.

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Speaker 1: Guys. I want to give you the tip line again.

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Speaker 1: Six one five four five one thirty eight thirty eight

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Speaker 1: Repeat six one, five, four five one thirty eight thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Sebastian's mom, Katie.

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Speaker 5: I guarantee you he has loved and trust me. The

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Speaker 5: open arms are waiting for him to come home, from

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Speaker 5: every parent, to every family members, to probably everyone in

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Speaker 5: the community. But there's no malice that we just want

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Speaker 5: our boy home.

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Speaker 1: Bad, bad. That is from w SMV four that also

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Speaker 1: has a full discussion with Sebastian's mother. The full interview

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Speaker 1: w SMZ four to you, Seth Rogers, what are your

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Speaker 1: final thoughts.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking for my son and wanting to come home.

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Speaker 3: I need people to look at his best. Sure, keep

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Speaker 3: your eyes open, keep your head up. If you see him,

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Speaker 3: please call it on one one. I need my son back.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he left that home alone?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what to think. It's not like him.

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Speaker 1: Guys, please help us bring Sebastian home. This boy needs

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Speaker 1: us six one five four five one three eight three

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Speaker 1: eight goodbye. Five