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Speaker 1: he is. You know, he's probably not gonna play as long,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna get beat up, blah blah blah whatever. You know,

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Speaker 1: agents will try any angle they can to get their

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Speaker 1: guy more money. Um, and I'm not gonna pretend to

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Speaker 1: know what all those angles are. But it's certainly gonna

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Speaker 1: bear very close watching here as we make our way

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Speaker 1: through the rest of this summer because chiefly because of

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Speaker 1: what Brandon Bean's history has been as a GM here

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, which is signing people to extensions around mid

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Speaker 1: to late August. I mean, he has the pattern there

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Speaker 1: last half of training camp, Dion Dawkins, Tredavious White, even

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Speaker 1: Eric Wood. There have been others that aren't coming to

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Speaker 1: mind right now, but there have been other players that

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Speaker 1: have been signed to extensions at that time and to

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Speaker 1: the summer. Jerry Hughes, I believe, signed his extension late August.

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Speaker 1: So there is a long track record, at least relatively

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Speaker 1: long for as long as Brandon Bean has been here

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Speaker 1: where these kinds of deals get done right before the

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Speaker 1: regular season starts. So we'll have to keep our ear

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Speaker 1: to the ground on all of that as to when

443
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Speaker 1: it comes to pass. For Josh Allen and for that matter,

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, who also had his fifth year option picked up.

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Speaker 1: He might be more next offseason because this contract extension

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Speaker 1: for Josh is going to be sizeable. It's going to

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Speaker 1: present a sizeable change to their economics and their salary

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Speaker 1: cap books, So can you do him and Edmonds in

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Speaker 1: the same season? Man, I don't know. That's a little

450
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Speaker 1: bit above my pay grade to crunch all those numbers,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure they've looked at that and know just

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Speaker 1: where they stand. Could probably be Josh is probably first.

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Speaker 1: I think that they'll have to be created about when

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Speaker 1: the money kicks in, because once you pay it goes

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Speaker 1: on the cap, at least part of it, depending on

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Speaker 1: you know, how you pro rate it. If it doesn't

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Speaker 1: kick in, If he's not going to get the money

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Speaker 1: until twenty twenty two or twenty twenty three, then you

459
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Speaker 1: know you can do whatever you want with him. It'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see when the structure of these contracts.

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Speaker 1: I think the Mahomes contract opened the door to some

462
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Speaker 1: pretty creative structures that allow you to kind of get

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Speaker 1: around the cap. Right. The NFL cap is very different

464
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Speaker 1: than the NHL cap, and so the NFL cap you

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Speaker 1: can guarantee these guys see not all of this money's guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: and you can also pro rate it and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be very I think it'll be telling when

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Speaker 1: they When they sign one, whether it's Tremaine Edmunds first

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Speaker 1: or Josh Allen first, or may neither one or whatever,

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Speaker 1: the structure of that contract will tell you a lot

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Speaker 1: about what they're willing to do to sign the other one. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I do think more often than not, we're going to

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Speaker 1: see these quarterback contracts largely be of the four maybe

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Speaker 1: five year variety because all of these quarterbacks are only

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Speaker 1: around twenty four twenty five years old. They want to

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Speaker 1: be able to take another swing when they're twenty nine

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Speaker 1: and just entering arguably their full prime and then maybe

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Speaker 1: sign another four year deal and then do another one

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Speaker 1: in four years, because the last thing I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys want to do is fall behind

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Speaker 1: and down the pecking order of the average annual value

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Speaker 1: at their respective position because they signed a long term

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Speaker 1: deal and the rest of the league passed them by

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Speaker 1: with new deals, especially with these media rights deals coming

486
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Speaker 1: in and you know, the cap bound to go up, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 1: I'm of the belief that the twenty eighteen quarterback class

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Speaker 1: is going to sign more of the four and five

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Speaker 1: year deal variety rather than that of Patrick Mahomes. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are certain merits and pluses to what Mahomes did

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Speaker 1: because it's enabled them to have an easier go of

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Speaker 1: keeping at roster together because they can afford to pay

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Speaker 1: some other prime time players. There are merits to it,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's about numerouno

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Speaker 1: and making as much money as you can in the

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Speaker 1: short window of time that you play in this league,

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Speaker 1: and I know quarterbacks play longer than most. Yeah, Mahomes

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Speaker 1: doesn't get a big chunk of that money for quite

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Speaker 1: some time, but he knows he's getting it, and so

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Speaker 1: majority of its guarantee right, a ton of it is guaranteed,

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00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: So he's gonna get it, and he was perfectly willing

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Speaker 1: to let the team do that push his money down

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Speaker 1: the road. It's a ten year deal and and it

504
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Speaker 1: doesn't even kick in until after next year. The big

505
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Speaker 1: money the big money. So the Chiefs are sitting pretty

506
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Speaker 1: as to be able to build a team around a

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Speaker 1: really good quarterback, and I would be we'd be kind

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Speaker 1: of nice if the Bills could do something along that

509
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Speaker 1: nature as well. I don't know if I'm not convinced

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen. I'm not either, but I'm saying

511
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Speaker 1: it should be on the table, and we know that

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Speaker 1: Josh wants to be here. It's been a great synergy

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Speaker 1: with him and the fan base in this city, in

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Speaker 1: this organization, the way he is, the kind of person

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Speaker 1: he is, the way they've built around him, the synergies there.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys, some guys anyway, have realized,

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Speaker 1: maybe later in their careers, that it sure would have

518
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Speaker 1: been nice to be on the same page with everybody

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Speaker 1: all the time. You get Rogers is like that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can look around. I think Joe Flacco didn't end

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Speaker 1: well in Baltimore and they want a World champions That

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson obviously is in bad shape. That Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: in Detroit. I mean, you could go down to Miss

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Speaker 1: Carson wentz Um. There's a lot Oh my god, Philip Rivers,

525
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Speaker 1: what the heck was going on with Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: So it I think for a player like a Pat Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: like Josh Allen, where you got a guy who loves

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Speaker 1: it in the city, the team loves him, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to go anywhere. The the coaching staff is stable,

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Speaker 1: and it goes beyond the numbers, and you know and

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Speaker 1: all these guys know, at least intellectually, the money's there's already.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna earn it when they get it, Okay,

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Speaker 1: when they get it. How rich I mean, how rich

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Speaker 1: is rich? Okay, I get all that. The money's going nothing,

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Speaker 1: doing nothing but going up. So they know they're they've

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Speaker 1: already made it. And to squeeze they know that to

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Speaker 1: squeeze the last couple of nickels out of an organization

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Speaker 1: probably won't make them happier than giving the organization a

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Speaker 1: little bit money back or leaving a little money on

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Speaker 1: the table so they can be better as a team.

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Speaker 1: Brady did it, so Peyton Manning, you know he left Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all these guys. So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: little hope I think for Bill's fans and for the

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Speaker 1: organization and for all of us around that your guy

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Speaker 1: either Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield and is this case in

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Speaker 1: our case, Josh Allen will say, you know what, let's

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Speaker 1: do that. Let's let's structure this in a way that

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Speaker 1: helps you guys, put good people around me for the

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Speaker 1: length of harbor along I'm here, We'll see. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: have to take a break here. Before we do that,

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Speaker 1: we want to let you know what our twitter poll

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Speaker 1: covers today. What do you think will be a pleasant

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00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: surprise for the Bills in twenty twenty one? Choices there

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Speaker 1: are the run game, run defense, the pass rush, or

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Speaker 1: something else. And it's a relatively balanced poll right now.

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Speaker 1: People are believing in the young draft choices as well

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Speaker 1: as aj ep and Essa entering a second year to

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Speaker 1: help those vets on the edges. As pass rush is

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Speaker 1: leading the voting right now with just over forty three

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote, but it's a tight race between

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Speaker 1: the run game and the run defense. Let us know

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Speaker 1: what you think at eight o three five fifty one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty what do

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Speaker 1: you think will be a pleasant surprise for the Bills

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one? On the field, we're looking at

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Speaker 1: some of those less successful areas for the team last year.

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Speaker 1: What do you think might be dramatically improved this year?

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Speaker 1: Let us know at eight three two five fifty or

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Speaker 1: hit us up on the tweet sheet. At one Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Chris Brown back with you in a sec

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Speaker 1: here on one Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health, it's

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Well, were welcome back to one Bills Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and Pro Football Network with an interesting tweet. Today. They

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Speaker 1: have their NFL insider Adam Beasley, who has been a

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Speaker 1: long time beat writer that covers the Dolphins beat, and

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Speaker 1: he is saying, quote in his report, we're told the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins have enough lingering questions about two his ability and

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Speaker 1: future that they would still consider trading for Texans quarterback

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson if his legal situation is somehow resolved in time. WHOA,

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Speaker 1: So they have as many questions about too as we do. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they're on his team. We saw it last year, right,

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Speaker 1: He no elite physical, elite traits and not a strong arm,

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Speaker 1: not a good runner, not a big athlete, not big

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Speaker 1: self admittedly didn't know that. Didn't have a handle on

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Speaker 1: the playbook or the offense. Probably a system quarterback if

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Speaker 1: he's going to be successful in this league. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know you have to. Taylor Fits said some nice things

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Speaker 1: about him, said he's got great accuracy all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: and great anticipation. But you know, you have you have

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Speaker 1: to have anticipation because you don't have enough arm to

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Speaker 1: get it in there unless you throw it early. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm with it. I'm we've seen it, and

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Speaker 1: I guess the Dolphins are there too. But I'll say this, brownie,

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins go in there with twa they're I think

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Speaker 1: they're behind the eight ball. They're in a tough spot.

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Speaker 1: But I think while this report is eye opening, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that the Dolphins feel that way to the

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Speaker 1: extreme that's being described here. And I'll say why. I

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Speaker 1: think the reason why is he started nine games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you know yet. How can you know? Well,

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Speaker 1: you certainly have to see things that here's the thing

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Speaker 1: when he's played nine games, and you think about Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen's nine games. There were some ugly stinkers in there.

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Speaker 1: But inside those are some moments and a lot of

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Speaker 1: practices and a lot of reps where you go, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, I see it, you know, and there's some

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Speaker 1: there's some ups, and then there's downs, and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of downs, and then there's another up, and then

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Speaker 1: there's a down that's not the same as the other down,

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Speaker 1: as a different one, and then it's back up again,

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Speaker 1: and you see more ups than downs, and pretty soon

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Speaker 1: it's all ups, you know, and when it's down, it's

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00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: it's the exception. Right. But you may you invested the

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Speaker 1: fifth pick in the draft on this kid, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hit the ejection button, going to hit the eject

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Speaker 1: button well after nine games and trade for Deshaun Watson. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you feel he's an upgrade. You cons an upgrade,

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Speaker 1: and I think everybody in the world would agree he's

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Speaker 1: an upgrade. And I guess in an era of NFL football,

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Speaker 1: when the Arizona Cardinals make Josh Rosen the tenth pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft, turn around the following year, get a

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Speaker 1: new head coach and draft another quarterback first overall and

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Speaker 1: jettison him, anything is possible. And I'm not saying it

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Speaker 1: would be wrong to do that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: there's a small part of me that says, do you know,

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Speaker 1: definitively after nine games, especially in a year where he

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Speaker 1: was still recovering admittedly from the hip injury that cost

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Speaker 1: him the end of his college season, wasn't one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent healthy, strong, etc. In his rookie years, So do

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Speaker 1: you owe him the benefit of the doubt as a

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Speaker 1: franchise or do you just say we're moving forward with

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Speaker 1: what we know is a better option. I think you.

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Speaker 1: It's a cutthroat league. We know that. And if I

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Speaker 1: were I was the Dolphins, I would pull the trigger

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Speaker 1: on a clean off the field Deshaun Watson in a

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00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: second over Tuam. But at the same time, there's a

638
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: small part of me that says, WELLS nine starts enough

639
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Speaker 1: to know and I don't know that it is. It

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Speaker 1: is not. Hold on, I gotta plug my laptop in. Yeah,

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: it is not. And I'll agree with you, there no

642
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: question about it. But it does. And I'll say this too,

643
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson changes the equation. If you got a shot

644
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: at a guy like that, Yeah, and all the all

645
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: the crazy stuff, the legal stuff aside, if it was

646
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. Yeah, there's not too many team that

647
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to Shaun Watson. There's some really good teams

648
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: that would trade for him. The Colts would trade for him.

649
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: I bet you with Carson wentz On, there's wrong. I mean,

650
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: the guy can play a top So yeah, that's a difference.

651
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: That's different. That's like trading for Aaron Rodgers. Josh Allen

652
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: Russ Wilson, Tom Brady, you know all of those. That's

653
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: that's what that is, because that's where Deshaun Watson is

654
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: on the field, and that it's not And maybe it's

655
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: not fair to put two after nine games comparing him

656
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: to that. Well, they are comparing him to Justin Herbert

657
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: and he's woll fully behind in that department. Well, and

658
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, not as not for nothing, I'll

659
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: just say this, And I like Anthony Lynn, but the

660
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: coaching staff that Anthony ly Lynn put together around Justin

661
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: Herbert was awful. They did not do a good job

662
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: for that team last year. They were blowing time outs.

663
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: They were and let me tell you this too, in

664
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: spite of them, don't yes and don't forget this. He

665
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: wasn't even going to see the field right looking at

666
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: in practice. That tells them that Justin Herbert isn't playing

667
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: better than Tyrod. Yeah, we know what Tyrod is. I mean,

668
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: he's a great dude. But if you can if you

669
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: can't tell the difference as an NFL coach between between

670
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor and Justin Herbert, Justin Herbert almost beating the

671
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs and going on to be the offensive

672
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Rookie of the year. If you can't tell that is

673
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: on your team and you're playing the other guy. Wow, Yeah,

674
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: that's a problem. Wow, that's a problem. There is other

675
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: NFL news that is breaking. All Pro linebacker Fred Warner

676
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: and the forty nine Ers have just reached an agreement

677
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: on a five year extension that we'll tie him to

678
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Speaker 1: San Francisco through the twenty twenty sixth season. That according

679
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Speaker 1: to Adam Schefter, they're a ESPN's NFL Insider, He's a

680
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: former third round pick and he was entering the last

681
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: year of his contract. So these numbers, five year extension

682
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: worth more than ninety five million dollars will certainly perk

683
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: up the ears and the eyeballs of Tremaine Edmonds and

684
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: his representatives knowing that he is undoubtedly going to be

685
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: in line for a contract, if not this summer, probably

686
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: next off season. So the cost of doing business continues

687
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: to go up in this league. And Fred Warner is

688
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: a hell of a player. I mean, we saw him

689
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: last year when the Bills played San Francisco. He's just everywhere.

690
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: He's ubiquitous out there on the field. He is outstanding player,

691
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: probably the best pound for pound player on that team.

692
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: And that's saying something because that's a roster. It's got

693
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa and you know bunch of guys, so big

694
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: contract for Fred Warner, so good on him, and you

695
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: know people like Tremaine Edmonds and others. It will be

696
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: keeping close watching at where the market goes for a linebacker.

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00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, usually linebackers aren't making high high end money

698
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: like that, but times have changed, especially in a league

699
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: that demands that you have a linebacker that can cover,

700
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: be sideline to sideline and play in that fashion more

701
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: than those old school run stuffing linebackers like Mike Singletary.

702
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Those days are gone. You need guys like Fred Warner

703
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Speaker 1: and Tremaine Edmonds if you're gonna have a linebacker worth

704
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Speaker 1: as salt in this league. And the forty nine ers

705
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger ninety five million dollar deal, five year extension. Unbelievable,

706
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Speaker 1: big time money there. So yeah, that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a life changer a little bit. It is a

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Speaker 1: little bit. All right, We have to take a break here.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll take a look at some

710
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Speaker 1: of your thoughts on the tweet sheet in terms of

711
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Speaker 1: our topic today. What do you think will be a

712
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise for the Bills in twenty twenty one? The

713
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: run game, the run defense, the pass rush, something else.

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Speaker 1: You let us know at eight three, five fifty one

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Speaker 1: eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty or on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet back with more next here on one Bill's Line,

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Speaker 1: presented by Colloid to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. We

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Speaker 1: welcome back one Bills Live, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 1: Closing out hour number one, Hour number two, we will

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Speaker 1: have ESPN dot COM's analytics guru Seth Walder, who's bullish

721
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Speaker 1: on a lot of things concerning the Bills, at least

722
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: based on what his analytics tell him. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: that with him in the next hour after the break.

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Speaker 1: Some breaking news that came down a short time ago.

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00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter was reporting that the forty nine Ers have

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Speaker 1: made Fred Warner the NFL's highest paid linebacker in the league,

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Speaker 1: at to the tune of nineteen million dollars a season

728
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: five year deal ninety five million dollars. That surpasses the

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Speaker 1: previous high, which was owned by one Bobby Wagner of

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. He had a three year fifty four

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Speaker 1: million dollars deal which paid out eighteen a year. So

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Speaker 1: Warnery clipses that, and that obviously brings to mind Tremaine Edmonds,

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Speaker 1: who's going to be in line for a new deal,

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Speaker 1: If not this summer's most likely next offseason, and the

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Speaker 1: numbers could get could go even higher at that point

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Speaker 1: in time, especially if Tremaine puts together, you know, a

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00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: monster season this year. Already has two Pro Bowls under

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Speaker 1: his belt, so he's at the top of the list

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Speaker 1: in the AFC, and that's you know, that's so that's

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Speaker 1: what you're looking at that for that contract. Yeah, there

741
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: is some other stuff that we wanted to cover. Head

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Speaker 1: coach Dion Sanders, who coaches the Jackson State football team

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00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: in the Southwest Athletic Conference. They had their media day yesterday.

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00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Steve didn't go very well as a media member in

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Speaker 1: asking a question of Sanders, said hey, Dion, and he

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Speaker 1: did not appreciate that. He essentially said, you can address

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Speaker 1: me as coach. Nobody at the SEC media day calls

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Speaker 1: coach Saban Nick and he stormed off walked out of

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Speaker 1: the media day after a reporter addressed him as Dion. Now,

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00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: last I checked that is his given name, and if

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00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: you have an issue with that, just say, hey, could

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00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: you please refer to me as coach Sanders or mister

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00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: Sanders if you want it to be that formal, just

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00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: make the request. After that has happened, he decided to,

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Speaker 1: you know, take umbrage at being called Dion and walked off.

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00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: And I will also add Steve plenty of University of

757
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Alabama reporters over the years have referred to coach Saban

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00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: as Nick. They have addressed him as Nick, and he

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00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: has not had an issue with it, and that's I

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00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, And I think it was a little

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00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: bit of an overreaction, but I'll say this in the

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00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: clip that I saw that the reporter kind of reacted

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00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: like were like, what are you talking about? I do

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00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: call coach Saban nick? Yeah? He goes, no, you don't, okay, Dion,

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00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: and he called him d on a second time, and

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Speaker 1: Dion stormed off a little bit of it'd been better

767
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: if he called him prime time, like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you because he going into his second year as

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Speaker 1: head coach, right, correct, I think so, at least at

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Speaker 1: the at the least he was there last year. He

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00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: was okay, because they had the thing where he stuff

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00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: got stolen after a game. Kind of right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So anyway, if that was an issue, wouldn't that have

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Speaker 1: come up a long time ago? You would like to think, Um,

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00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he just knew his flash for Dion, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know, he's a Hall of Famer as a player.

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00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, was what the second pick in the draft,

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Speaker 1: multiple Pro Bowls. Arguably he's the quarters to ever play

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00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: the game's super athletic freak in every sense of the word,

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00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: two sport, professional athlete. I get all of it. Okay,

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00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: you're the head coach at Jackson State, Like you're down

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00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: a few pigs now in the coaching rank. Well, you're

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00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: not nearly holding down the cache you did as a

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Speaker 1: player and a Hall of Fame player in his own right,

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00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: but you're not coaching at a major college. You're at

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Speaker 1: Jackson State, and what pelts on the wall do you

787
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: have as a coach? Right, I'm sorry too. Here's the

788
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: thing too, and I get I'm not gonna I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna be disrespectful toward Dion or any or coach Sanders

790
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: or anybody because he's doing what he's doing. He's doing

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Speaker 1: cud he wants to do it. He's doing it because

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00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: he wants to make a difference in young guys lives.

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00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: But I think to set an example if somebody does

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Speaker 1: do that and you feel a little bit that it's

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00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: a little bit disrespectful, you know, you need to have

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Speaker 1: enough grace to say, hey, you know what, could we

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00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: do this guys from now on? Could you call me

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00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: coach Sanders? That would address it right then, and name

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00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: right then. Just say, hey, listen, I'd rather be called

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Speaker 1: coach Sanders than any one of my given names, uh,

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00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: than my given name. If it's all right, I don't

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00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: want to don't call me primetime, don't call me that.

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00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: Call me coach Sanders please. That would go further toward

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00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: being a better example for his players, and and other

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00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: coach ran the thing, and the media would respect it,

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00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: and they would immediately say, wow, okay that Yeah, he

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00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of snapped on the guy. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: what what kind of day dion it. Maybe it had

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00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: been a bad day for the in the in the

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00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: swack media day. Maybe he'd already maybe he'd already been

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Speaker 1: grilled a little bit and he'd kind of had enough

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00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: of it. But he yeah, in that instance, the one

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00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: that was captured on the video. Um, yeah, I felt

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Speaker 1: like not his best. I wish he could have extended

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Speaker 1: the guy a little bit of grace because the guy

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00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: wasn't obviously it was not the point of his point.

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00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: He didn't give it a second thought. He says, hey, Dion,

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00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: could you Hey, da da da? And Dion snapped off

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Speaker 1: on him and said, hey, wait, And I don't know

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Speaker 1: what is Has that the first time that's happened. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's I can't imagine that as the cook addressed him as.

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Speaker 1: And I get it, he's not at Alabama, Jackson say,

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Speaker 1: but he's had to have done a number of interviews,

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Speaker 1: media interviews and postgame interviews and all that stuff, and

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00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: nobody called him that. Has that not been an issue?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, And it not because it hasn't been

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Speaker 1: a thing until today. Yeah, not the best way to

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Speaker 1: handle it. I think we can all agree on that.

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Speaker 1: And you just simply addressed it at the time in

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Speaker 1: the moment, saying hey, look, I'd really prefer if you

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Speaker 1: guys just addressed me as coach coach Sanders, you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever or whatever he's looking for. I don't even know

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00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: if he was mad at maybe he wants to be

834
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Speaker 1: called prime whatever, address it right then and there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not a big ask. I can tell you just

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Speaker 1: from being on the media side of the fence. The

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Speaker 1: media would respect that and they'd honor that if that's

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Speaker 1: your request, because they're you're giving them your time. They'll

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Speaker 1: respect you in kind if that's what you want to

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00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: be addressed as, just ask. You don't have to storm

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00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: off and be you know, all petty about it, right,

842
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he acted like the first grader. He came off.

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00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't befitting a head coach to do that, and

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Speaker 1: I'm I wish you wouldn't have, but you know, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of This is the time of year when all

846
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Speaker 1: that and for those of you probably haven't or some

847
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: of the more casual fans, this time of year, all

848
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: the major conferences and secondary conferences, lower level conferences bring

849
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: all the head coaches in that conference to one place. Yeah,

850
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: and they have a media day for the head coaches.

851
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll bring prominent players in, particularly in the Power

852
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: five conferences, they'll bring one or two the quarterbacks of

853
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: the teams or whatever, and they'll have a media day

854
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: and each coach will give kind of a synopsis and

855
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: a summary of how their team's coming together. Certain players

856
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: that people are looking for, you know, star recruits that

857
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: maybe have not hit the field yet and they are

858
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: going to this year, this is their year. Guys like that,

859
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: The coach will be questioned about it. So it's a

860
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: big deal. It's a very big deal. Yeah, it's very

861
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: important for the people in that for the conference and

862
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: for the coaching staffs, and for the awareness of what's

863
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 1: going on in that league for the coaches to commit

864
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: to participate and do a nice job with it. Nick

865
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: Saban at the end of his SEC news conference, thank

866
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: the media for what they do for bringing attention to

867
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: the players and the college football. He gets it. You're

868
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: appreciated more than you know. And there's a guy who's

869
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: been you know, who's had his own running he's had

870
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: known his own moments with the media. So I mean,

871
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm I've spoken with Dion Sanders in the past. Um,

872
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised the kind of human some people would

873
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: be surprised the quality human being that he is. I'm

874
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: just surprised that he that this happened to him and

875
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: that he didn't extend this reporter a little bit of

876
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: great and I don't know who the reporter is, maybe

877
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: the maybe the guy's a jerk. Yeah, I don't know.

878
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: But um, nevertheless, rise above it though, you know, yeah,

879
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: I wish he would have risen above it in that situation.

880
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: I got a lot of love and respect for Dion

881
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: because I played with him and against him and uh

882
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: and I also had some a lot of conversation personal

883
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: conversations with him. Tremendous guy, tremendous guy, and he cuts

884
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: a wide swath through life of helping people. Um, he doesn't.

885
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't come across like that when you see the

886
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: primetime persona come pop out on the WWE thing, you know,

887
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,479
Speaker 1: but the guys, the guy's lights are on. He's sharp,

888
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: and he's doing something at Jackson State. I think he's

889
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: really really happy about so. But this is Bad's a

890
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: bad moment, bad moment. I'm sorry we all have him.

891
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: It's just unfortunate that it was in a spotlight type

892
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: moment at SWACK Media Day. In any event, we have

893
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: to take a break here because when we come back,

894
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: we'll be talking with ESPN Sports analytics writer Seth Walder,

895
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: who is bullish on the Bills, not only this year,

896
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: but for the future as well. We'll get into that

897
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: with him. He's also pretty happy about some of the

898
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: moves the Bills have made over the last off season here,

899
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: so we'll discuss all of that and more with him

900
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: when we return here on One Bill's Line presented by

901
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio at a Steve taster

902
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: who has been all over the fields. Kind of unique.

903
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for Steve.

904
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: A blimp. We're not even in the straged here of

905
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: normalcy here. Yeah, we're number two of a Wednesday edition

906
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: of One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you

907
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: and joining us here in the second hour of the show.

908
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: ESPN Sports Analytics writer makes regular appearances on their studio programming,

909
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: been with ESPN since twenty seventeen and is bullish in

910
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: a lot of areas on the Bills, not only this

911
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: year but for the foreseeable future. It is one Seth

912
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: Walter joining the program against Seth. Good to have you back.

913
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us some time here before we really

914
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: get ramped up with training camps, rocking and rolling. Thanks

915
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: for the time. Yeah, no problem. Happy to be back.

916
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: So let's begin here because this was one of your

917
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: writeups that kind of caught my eye. You're not only projected,

918
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, success right now, but you kinda put out

919
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: a long on ramp here to future success as well.

920
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: For the next three seasons. You did a future Power

921
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: rankings column and uh, I know you had the book

922
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: The Bills highly ranked there. But what was the genesis

923
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: of this idea? So this is something we've done for

924
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: a couple of years. It's not just not just me,

925
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: to be clear, as me, Lewis Riddick, Field Yates, and

926
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler, our editors actually put together the idea and

927
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: what they have us do is rate every team in

928
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different areas how good your quarterback is,

929
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: your roster, your coaching, your draft, and your front office.

930
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: And they kind of weighed all those factors. And you're

931
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: looking at it, like you said, from a three year perspective.

932
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: So if you have a you know, let's say Tom

933
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: Brady theoretically he'll retire at some point, you know, you might,

934
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: you might, you know, you might feel good about how

935
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: he is. Uh in twenty twenty one, how good is

936
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: he gonna be in twenty twenty three, who knows, but

937
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to we're trying to look at those at

938
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: every team with kind of a three year window, and

939
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: so we're really trying to look at every team from

940
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: all the different angles. What what is the next thing

941
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: in analytics and what's the next step for analytics as

942
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: they as they stand now. But going into twenty twenty one,

943
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: oh wow. I mean, I think that just the further

944
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: integration of data analysis into the game. So I think

945
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: like the stuff that we'll see, I have to imagine

946
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: that the two most obvious areas are going to be

947
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: fourth down aggression. I think we've seen that from a

948
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: lot of different folks or from a lot of different

949
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: teams over the past few years. I expect that will

950
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: only continue. And then the other area would be increasing

951
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: pass rates. So the Buffalo Bills are the primary example

952
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: of that right where they've had games where they say,

953
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: you know what, we're gonna beat you through the air

954
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: and we're not going to worry about quote unquote balance.

955
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: We're going to do the more efficient play and that's

956
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: relying on Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs, and I imagine

957
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: They're not going to be the only team that does that.

958
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: When you have an advantage in the passing game, you

959
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: want to maximize that edge. I think that will be

960
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: the case. The stuff under the surface, though, just to

961
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: just to elaborate a little more, the player tracking data

962
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: that every team is using to inform decision making, I

963
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: think that teams, coaching staffs, front offices are going to

964
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: rely even more than that. They continue to staff up

965
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: in those areas. You know, one thing I track is

966
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: analytics staffing, and there they are hiring folks that can

967
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: handle that kind of data, and I do think that

968
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: is going to become a bigger part of the way

969
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: that we evaluate football players and football teams. Getting back

970
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: to your future power rankings column, looking at the Bills specifically,

971
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: who had an overall ranking of fourth, I believe on

972
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: your table there among the you know, you broke it

973
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: down into different categories. The front office was ranked and

974
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: that had one of their highest rankings, third in the league,

975
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: along with Josh who was also ranked third at a quarterback.

976
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: You also do overall roster coach and draft front office third.

977
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: What kind of earned the stripes for the Bills front office?

978
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: You know, in that category specifically. To me, if you

979
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: look at what Buffalo's front office has done, they've been

980
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: very successful at building a team around Josh Allen and

981
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: taking players from elsewhere and putting them on this roster

982
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: and having a lot of success with them. I think

983
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: they deserve a lot of credit for the way that

984
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: they have rebuilt this offensive line. This is an offensive

985
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: line that another project it recently is projecting pass protection

986
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: for every team, and the Bills ranked very highly in

987
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: that they prioritize pass protection. They got, you know, players

988
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: like Dion Dawkins and Daryl Williams, both above average tackles.

989
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 1: Mitch Morrise we have as a below average run blocker,

990
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: but one of the very best pass blocking centers in

991
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: the league. So yeah, So to me, that's I think

992
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: you do that you make the big trade for Stefon Diggs.

993
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't think think that could work. I've worked out

994
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: any better. And we're talking about a player that it

995
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: was arguably than not you know, in the conversation for

996
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: non quarterback MVP last season. And so to me, they've

997
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: done a really good job of improving this football team

998
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: to the point where it's kind of like you want

999
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: to do that and it'shipatient of hitting on the QB

1000
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: and such that if the quarterback works out, that you're

1001
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: going to be a Super Bowl contender. And that's basically

1002
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: what happened. You didn't know Josh Allen is going to

1003
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: break out in twenty twenty, but when he did, it

1004
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: meant that the Bills were a real contender. You've talked

1005
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: about the offensive line and how good they are. We've

1006
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: talked to offensive line on our show, and you know,

1007
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: offensive linemen are notoriously not analytics guys, but they'll say

1008
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: to us, if you want to run the ball, well,

1009
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: you just got to keep after it. And it's kind

1010
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: of this thing. Well, you know, teams that are successful

1011
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: running the ball do it a lot, and teams that

1012
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: aren't successful stop running. What is it is the chicken

1013
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: or the egg? By running the ball more, do you

1014
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: get better at it and therefore more successful, or are

1015
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: you good at it from the get go and that's

1016
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: why you run a lot. There has been some pretty

1017
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: solid evidence suggesting that the run more as you go

1018
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: is not actually a great strategy. And firstly, when you're

1019
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: when you're running the football, you're too you're making a

1020
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: generally inefficient choice, not always, don't get me wrong. Certainly

1021
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: you want you want to run, you want there are

1022
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: times you want to run the ball. There's situations where

1023
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: it's superior to run the ball, and you want to

1024
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: always have the threat of the run to be available

1025
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: to you. But running more to improve your running that's

1026
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: like chasing. That's chasing the worst outcome to make it

1027
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And ultimately, yeah, I mean the

1028
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: Bills are going to prioritize the passing game, and that

1029
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: is the efficient choice, especially when there are exceptions like

1030
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: if we're talking about the Baltimore Ravens, this is a

1031
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: completely different conversation. And there are some teams where you

1032
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: might you might change the way that you think about

1033
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: run pass ratios because of the structure for the team.

1034
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: The Bills are not that way, and so I think

1035
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: that the fact that they prioritized the passing game not

1036
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: just in their protection but in their play calling, that

1037
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: to me speaks about maximizing what this what your players

1038
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: can offer. I'm not looking to put you on the

1039
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: spot here, Seth in terms of predictive analysis, but in

1040
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: going off of the stat that you actually put in

1041
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: that column about the Bills leading the league last year

1042
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: in first down drop back rate at sixty seven percent.

1043
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, they pass more than anybody else in the

1044
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: league on first down last year, and as you noted

1045
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: in there, it paid off. I mean they second in

1046
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: the league and offensive efficiency. Now, knowing that just about

1047
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: every defensive coordinator in the league that has the Bills

1048
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: on their schedule this year has been pouring over the

1049
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: game tape and they obviously recognize that and probably have

1050
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: picked up on Buffalo's propensity to throw on first down.

1051
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: Where do you think that number goes? Do you think

1052
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: they react to the way defenses might play them, which

1053
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: might be inviting them to run the football on first down,

1054
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: so that number is invariably going to come down from

1055
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent. Or do you think that they are

1056
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: so good at it that they just say the hell

1057
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: with it, We're just going to keep on doing it

1058
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: because it works. This is a great question, okay, because

1059
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's what we don't know, and I

1060
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: say this, we genuinely don't know. Right at some point,

1061
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: there's diminishing returns on passing. Right, I think we can

1062
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: agree that if you passed one hundred percent of the

1063
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: time that that would not be a great idea. But

1064
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: we don't know where the upper limit is, Like, where

1065
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: is the point where it's no longer efficient to keep passing.

1066
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess we haven't reached it yet, and I'm

1067
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: going to guess that the Bills, who have already shown

1068
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: a willingness to push the envelope. This is a guess

1069
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: pure gas here. I guess it goes up that they

1070
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: pass more in twenty twenty two than twenty twenty one.

1071
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: It's a pure guess. But I just think if you're

1072
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: the kind of team that followed the logic to get

1073
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: you to a place to leave the league and first

1074
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: down passing rate last season and it worked for you,

1075
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: that you are gonna sit there and go, what if

1076
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: we did it a little bit more? What can we

1077
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: can we push it just a little bit more? And

1078
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: what if we eak out just a couple more points

1079
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: over the course of the season by doing that. I'd say,

1080
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: if you make me choose, that's that's that's where I go.

1081
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: So you're probably I'll be really curious to see. So

1082
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: you're probably thinking maybe an incremental bump, like maybe, yes,

1083
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: maybe to seventy is probably the limit. I mean, I

1084
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: don't know that it's the long term limit. I would

1085
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: be pretty stunned if a team just came out and

1086
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: started passing eighty five percent of the time on first downs,

1087
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: right like just out of the blue. I imagine this

1088
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: is you know, like coaches don't tend to want to

1089
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: like make that kind of like crazy leap all all

1090
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden. It may be that that's the best

1091
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: way to do it, that like eighty five percent is ideal.

1092
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm guessing that they would say

1093
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: it worked at sixty seven. Let's bump it just a

1094
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: little bit more. There gonna be any unusual or weird

1095
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: consequence of a seventh teenth game from analytics point of view,

1096
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I I don't think there's any

1097
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: like I don't think there's any sort of change that

1098
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: would like, I don't know, shift the game it You know,

1099
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: you're slightly devaluing each game in the regular season, but

1100
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't think we're like got anywhere near a sort

1101
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: of like NBA, you know problem of like resting starters,

1102
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: Like ultimately in the NFL, it still just matters so

1103
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: much if you win or lose on a week to

1104
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: week basis that you're gonna play. You're gonna play your

1105
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: guys unless it's the very end of the year and

1106
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: you already have something locked up. I doubt it. I mean,

1107
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: I think there's some interesting questions when it comes to

1108
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: like projecting stats or something like that. But from a

1109
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: from an overall football standpoint, there's nothing that's jumping in mind,

1110
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: except for the fact that anytime, you know, I have

1111
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: to think about a team's record, I have to I

1112
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: have to do like a manual check. Now, not twelve

1113
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: and four, twelve and twelve and five. You know, none

1114
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: of those None of those records sound right to me yet. Yeah,

1115
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: talking with ESPN sports analytics writer Seth Walder, and Seth

1116
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: I know that the Bills have done pretty good in

1117
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: pass rush win rate. I have to say that slower

1118
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: I get tongue tied, you know, and Jerry has kind

1119
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: of been the leader of the pack in that area

1120
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: for them. But the Bills, Bills fans, at least from

1121
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: an eyeball view, say, hey, the pass rush has got

1122
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: to be better. They got to help the guys on

1123
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: the back end more. They don't rank high in sacks,

1124
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: which again I know is not an end all, be

1125
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: all stat And then the Bills go out and their

1126
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: first two draft choices are defensive ends, which some feel

1127
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: may be an eye to the future more than right now,

1128
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: knowing that Addison and Hughes are both in the last

1129
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: year of their contracts. But all of this is leading

1130
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: to this anticipation on the part of Bills fans that

1131
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: the pass rush is going to be demonstrably better this

1132
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: year in terms of sacks with all the people that

1133
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: they've loaded up on personnel wise at the end position,

1134
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: not only this year's draft, but last year too with

1135
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: aj Epenessa. But they're already pretty good in winning on

1136
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: pass rush, just not necessarily getting sacks. Right, Yeah, so

1137
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean we have this. We're pretty far

1138
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: out on a limb on Jerry Hughes, right, I think

1139
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: where we where a pass rush win rate suggests that

1140
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: he's still a really strong player. But I will say this,

1141
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: like getting sacks, I consider that to be a skill.

1142
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: We talk about Pastor's win rate and that you can

1143
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: affect to play without getting a sack, and that matters.

1144
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: But the second half of a pass rush, actually completing

1145
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: the sack matters. Too, So like Jedevy and Clowney's a

1146
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: guy that for many years performed really well in pass

1147
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: rush win rate, but he couldn't he didn't get those sacks.

1148
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: He's still valuable player, but he would be better if

1149
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: he if he actually got those sacks. And to your point,

1150
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: Hughes is older, um, and you have you're looking at

1151
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: a limited run with him in addison, so it makes

1152
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: sense to restock on on pass rushers and you want

1153
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: to boost those stock numbers. Like absolutely so I think

1154
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: taking two shots on on guys like Dasham and Rousseau.

1155
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you know these guys aren't going

1156
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: to always hit, and you know you're gonna it's not

1157
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: you're not going to waste Like if they both hit,

1158
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: is that that's not going to be a problem for you,

1159
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: especially as you look at you might these guys might

1160
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: graduate to just be the two bills, you know, leading

1161
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: pass rushers in future seasons. So to me, that makes

1162
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: sense to to upgrade there or to or to invest there.

1163
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: I guess I should say, Um, we have been high

1164
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: on on Jerry Hughes and you know, we'll see, we'll

1165
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: see if he if he keeps that up fans and

1166
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: analysts like Brownie and Ile all over. We always kind

1167
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: of project last year's numbers and win ratio, you know,

1168
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: wins onto this year. We think last year's you know

1169
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: Colts team or Titans team, or Houston team or Bills team,

1170
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: we think they're gonna be kind of that way this

1171
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: year when the Bills took an almost flip flop. Last year,

1172
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: there were a playoff team in twenty nineteen, but in

1173
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: twenty their offense took over where their defense was the

1174
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: strength of it just the year before. So and so

1175
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of unpredictability coming forward. My

1176
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: questions this, given what analytic offseason analytics you do on

1177
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: all these teams, Are there any teams whose public perception says, yeah,

1178
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: this team's gonna be pretty good, but your analytics saying,

1179
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, are there anybody? Is there anybody that

1180
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: analytics say is overrated? So I'll tell you this, We're

1181
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: we're over We're reworking our FBI model and it's not

1182
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: out yet. So I don't have like a great take

1183
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: on that front in terms of um in terms of

1184
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: a team that's gonna underperform. But I think your point

1185
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: is strong in that it's like, yeah, I mean, we

1186
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: can't just take last year and and and like assume

1187
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: everything's gonna be the same. You know, one thing that

1188
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: jumps out to me, it's the opposite direction. Something where

1189
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: I think a team's going to really improve is like,

1190
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: um on, when I'm projecting these offensive line and you

1191
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: look at the individual players, The Chargers rushing game I

1192
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: think is going to be dramatically better than what it

1193
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: was last season, where they had really poor blocking. You know,

1194
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: Austin Ecklers their lead guy, but he was hurt. No player,

1195
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: no running back received worse blocking than Joshua Kelly, their

1196
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: back up there. And the improvements they made bringing Corey Linsley,

1197
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: drafting a rookie in the first round, you know, hopefully

1198
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: getting a full season. A blog like I project them

1199
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: to have a I think top five run blocking unit,

1200
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: and that would be a dramatic departure from what it

1201
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: was last season, and they obviously felt that way, like

1202
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: they addressed it in the offseason. But yeah, there are

1203
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: those cases where you can't you can't always assume that

1204
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: just because someone was good last year means they're going

1205
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 1: to be good again next year. Last one for me,

1206
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: sith And speaking of team run block win rate, because

1207
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: the Chargers were dead last in the league, actually tied

1208
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: with the Jets in the Chiefs at the bottom. Barely

1209
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: ahead of them were the Bills at sixty nine percent.

1210
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: They were ranked twenty ninth. My question though, with run

1211
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: block win rate is this the best team in the

1212
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: league the Packers last year we're at seventy four percent

1213
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: per year numbers and the lowest in the league was

1214
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent. That's a really narrow margin there from

1215
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: the best team in the league to the last. What

1216
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: does that tell you when you see the range being

1217
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: so small? Well, so any of itself the number, like,

1218
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: the only question is like, well, how much does one

1219
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: percent translate to? Right, like, how much does if I'm

1220
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: one percent better than you and run block win ring,

1221
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: what does that translate to. I've actually looked at this recently,

1222
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: so it's something along the edge of each percentage point

1223
01:07:54,520 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: is about point eight increase in yards per carry. So

1224
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: if someone is five points better than you, you packard

1225
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: five points better than you. I would expect that team

1226
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: to be about point four yards per carry better than

1227
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: you in terms of rushing efficiency. It's not like a

1228
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: crazy amount, but you know it adds up. I mean

1229
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: the season, you look at teams, yeah, I mean you

1230
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: look at teams yards per carries, and you know if

1231
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: one team is a four and another team is a

1232
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: four four, well, you know, we do see a difference

1233
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: between those two teams in their rushing efficiency. But you're right,

1234
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 1: I mean they're tightly grouped. It's not a crazy difference.

1235
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that's a good question. Yeah, it just

1236
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: it just struck me because usually, you know, first to last,

1237
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: you don't see a range. You usually see a range

1238
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: a little bit fatter than that. I was like, what's

1239
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: not even ten percent difference? What's going on? Last one?

1240
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: For me? We've been talking about John. We're kind of

1241
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about Buffalo Bills all day, all

1242
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: day every day here, and we saw John. We've watched

1243
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: Josh every snap Josh has taken twenty five times. I mean,

1244
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: we've seen all of it. And last year we're we're

1245
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: kind of laughing amongst ourselves because he took such an

1246
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: enormous jump play. It was like a ten percent jump

1247
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: in completion percentage as quarterback. Right that you know, touchdowns,

1248
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: inter everything, right, and the joke is, well, what if

1249
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: he takes another step like that? And the joke is

1250
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: that there's no way because we've never seen anybody play

1251
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: as good as that would mean. He played like he'd

1252
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: be a seventy nine percent completion percentage for the year

1253
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: for a team that throws eighty five percent, Like gonna

1254
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: throw eighty five percent on first a right, I mean,

1255
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that. What is a realistic look? I mean,

1256
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: and I get it, and I might take has been

1257
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: this statistically Josh, maybe similar to what he was last year,

1258
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: even if he regresses in some numbers and progresses in

1259
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: other numbers. I mean, the guy was an runner up

1260
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: MVP last year, So I think what we're seeing that's

1261
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: the guy he's going to be at least, I mean

1262
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: that Has that become his floor or do you see

1263
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: other things in his game? Do any leagues tell us that,

1264
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: you know, what, if you want to do take another

1265
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: step that all of us will notice it'll be this

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Speaker 1: or is there something like that? I don't think that

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Speaker 1: last season was his floor, only because like you said,

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Speaker 1: it was just sort of a such an unprecedented kind

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Speaker 1: of jump that I think you almost have to work

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Speaker 1: under the assumption that a little step back is maybe

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Speaker 1: the most likely scenario. And don't get me wrong, last

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Speaker 1: year is like what we should That's the most important

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01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 1: data point we have. Like I think I would expect

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen to play well, but it just seems it's

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Speaker 1: just so unlikely. I think that you would take another

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Speaker 1: jump that way. It's unlikely to any player in any

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Speaker 1: season would ever take a jump that the way that

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen did. And the other factor is that with

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Speaker 1: the and I don't want to take like he was exceptional.

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01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: He made an incredible improvements. The addition of Diggs, you know,

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01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: digs and digs especially, and Beasley to some degree helped

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Speaker 1: quite a bit. I mean, you know, if we look

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: at Allen's completion percentage over expectation last season two digs

1284
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: versus everyone else, it was still it was still increased

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Speaker 1: even if we take digs away, but it was dramatic,

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Speaker 1: I mean, over the top exceptional when he was targeting digs.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that you know, yeah, Sanders, Sanders

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01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: is there, but I don't think you're you're not adding

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Speaker 1: a talent the way that this team did it, you

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01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: know twelve months ago. Um so I think that's that's

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01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. But I'm still like, I think Josh

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01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: Allen's going to be good next year. Like, don't don't

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01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I think I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: be good. And I think that the Bills are in

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: a really good place having a good young quarterback and

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Speaker 1: a great passing game. Seth, there's always thanks for the time,

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Speaker 1: always a good conversation with you. Uh sorry, you don't

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01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: have an NFL expansion draft. I saw you tweeting about

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Speaker 1: the NHL expansion draft and how you're jealous. What what

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01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: analytics would you be applying there? Oh my god, I mean,

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: we've got to have value every player versus their salary.

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then I love how in

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,440
Speaker 1: the hockey draft, you know, they hold the team's hostage

1304
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: and make them trade picks so they don't take their player.

1305
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, that's how much fun would that be?

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01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: I just I can't get over that that would be.

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: That would be really inevitable. Oh man, I'd be right

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: up your alley. All right, Seth, thanks for a time.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. We'll catch up with you down the line.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, all right, Seth Walder ESPN dots coms NFL

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Speaker 1: analytics writer. I just like bouncing stuff off him because

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01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: I see because I mean, when you're reading some of

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Speaker 1: those analytics pieces that they put together, Like the question

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Speaker 1: I had about the run block win rate, the team

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01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: leading the league is seventy four percent success rate, the

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Speaker 1: team at the bottom of the league is sixty seven.

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01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a seven percent difference. How much better

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: could they be? He just qualified it for us. That's

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01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: why we have him on. That's to kind of lend

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Speaker 1: some depth to it. That's where we've talked about how

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: similar all the NFL teams are and yet how different

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01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: they are inside once you get inside the building and

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: it's that two percent, you know, like that's one in

1324
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 1: win rate and offensive line it's like six percent difference.

1325
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: That's one aspect of your offense in comparison to thirty

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: two other offense, thirty one other offenses. And there's that

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: big there's only five percent gap between the absolute best

1328
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: and the absolute worst, and you mix all those together

1329
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: and there's that margin. Is pretty relevant yea, all the

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Speaker 1: way through all these analytics. I just like the way

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: that he can take the percentages and apply them to

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01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: real football production numbers that you and I can understand. Okay,

1333
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: there's a seven percent difference. What's the difference. It's about

1334
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: point four yards per carry difference on average from got

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: from the worst to there. And we had that conversation.

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01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: We've had this conversation about a half a yard. We had.

1337
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 1: I had Tom Bridge in hand, the old offensive coordinator

1338
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: the Bills came out one year. You guys, listen, guys,

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01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: you know, look at the word. He pointed out that exactly,

1340
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: this was twenty five years ago. He pointed us out.

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01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,719
Speaker 1: The worst team in the league ran the ball four

1342
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: point zero yards per carry. The best team was four

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: point five. Here's guys, we're talking about eighteen inches per

1344
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: cary per carry. That means when Jim gets pulled down

1345
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: the sack, does he leaned forward? Then the running back

1346
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: extend the ball past the line, making the extra block

1347
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: to give the guy an extra yard and a half?

1348
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing. We're talking inches. Over

1349
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: the course of the entire season, every single play he was.

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: That's everybody in the room going, oh, that's how committed

1351
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: to That's how committed we've got to be, right. That's

1352
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: that's where the point was and they And that's twenty

1353
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 1: five years more than twenty five the old saying of

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: it's a game of inches still applies today. Absolutely. How

1355
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: about that, you think about it, It's it's unbelievable how

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01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: the nuances of that change the ripple effect of a

1357
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: bad play, you know, can be bad. It's bad. How

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01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: do you how do you stop that? You know, how

1359
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,839
Speaker 1: do you stop that that ripple from you know, washing

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01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: over your your line over here on the sideline. Right,

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01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting when he said, yeah, from the

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01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: worst best each yard or each what was it, each

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: percentage point on one hundred percent point between the worst

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: team and the best team is point zero eight, right,

1365
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: and there's four of them, it's point four. It translates

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01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 1: to point four yards per carry from the worst to

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah, that's it doesn't sound like much, but

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01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: it's that far over the course of what eleven hundred plays. Yeah,

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: that's nuts, dude. That's why that's why people roll their

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01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 1: eyes at analytics guys and they're like, dude, come on,

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, if one guy had a bad piece of

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01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: pizza the night before and he's a step slower, there

1373
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 1: goes the point four point four year too much? Why

1374
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: did you lose the game too much? Pepperone, I had them.

1375
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: I had a bad I had a bad I had

1376
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: a bad oyster think about Oh my god, that's why

1377
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: people an well what that has nothing to do with

1378
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: the antaldt NICs. It has to do with the guy.

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01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: You know, the pizza guy was late. You know, because

1380
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: if a pizza I would have been late, I wouldn't

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01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: have had the extra brew. I wouldn't have had the

1382
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: extra beer I had. You know, it took me too long,

1383
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: so I had the extra beer. Now I'm not feeling

1384
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: it today. Yeah, I mean that's yes, I'm exaggerating to

1385
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: make a point. These guys aren't drinking beer and pizza

1386
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: the night before game. But but the point is made

1387
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: some inconsequential thing that happens that like a guy like

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01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: you know what, it was bothered me today because my

1389
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: right ankle got taped before my left win this weekend.

1390
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: It's not the way I do it, m dude, it's

1391
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, and that trying to give me the antal

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: knicks on that sliced and diced. I mean, you want

1393
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: to talk about cutting it, fine, Oh my, that's thinner

1394
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: than sashimi. Man, I get it. You are slicing it

1395
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: is whatever? Is that like paper thin sushi? Yeah, and

1396
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: you drop it in the little bowl of saki and

1397
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: asaki gets soaked up by the little by the fish

1398
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: and then you just pop it melts on your tongue.

1399
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: Now you're you're further in the weeds than I am.

1400
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: Well with my bad pizza, you're that's another fish. So

1401
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: we don't specialize the analogies, doesn't stop us from throwing

1402
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: them out there. That's why, that's why these an analytics are.

1403
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: It's a blast for for guys like you and me

1404
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: and for fans to get into and because it's it's

1405
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: one more way to either love your team or hate it.

1406
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: You know, I hate them because of this. You either

1407
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: we're either the smartest why are they so bad? The

1408
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: smartest guys in the league, because we went forward on

1409
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 1: that fourth and one in our own end, what guts

1410
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: we showed, Or we're so desperate to make something happen

1411
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: because we don't trust our defense. We went forward on

1412
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: this impossible fourth and it's all this, you know, the

1413
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: game within the game, Brownie, All right, good conversation there

1414
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: with Seth. We have to take a break here. When

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01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 1: we come back, we've got a crack open the tween

1416
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: sheet to see what you believe will be a pleasant

1417
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 1: surprise for the Bills in twenty twenty one. What area

1418
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: of deficiency or perceived deficiency last year will be demonstrably

1419
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: better this year. Your choices are there at one Bills

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01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: Live on Twitter, or just give us a call. Eight

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Speaker 1: oh three oh five fifty. We're back in a minute

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Speaker 1: here on one Bills Live, presented by Kalid to Health.

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to one Bills Live.

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01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you. It is that time

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01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: in the show where we hear your thoughts on our

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01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: subject matter of the day. And subject matter of the day, incidentally,

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01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: is basically what you think will be a pleasant surprise

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01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: for the Bills in twenty twenty one and perceived area

1429
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: of deficiency that will be demonstrably better in twenty twenty one.

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: Choices on the tweet sheet we're run, game, run, defense, pass,

1431
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: rush or something else, and we go to the tweet

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Speaker 1: get now, which, as you know, is brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

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01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Leading us off today is Seth who

1435
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: says the run d is gonna shut people down with Starback,

1436
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: forcing teams to pass more, leading to a plethora of picks. Also,

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Speaker 1: Stevenson will surprise everyone. He's referring to Buffalo's fifth round

1438
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 1: pick or sixth round pick. Marquis Stevenson will surprise everyone.

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01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: I can see him being a sneaky good contributor on

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01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: offense and a dynamic returner. So we also picked other there. Okay,

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01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Any thoughts on that In terms of what

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01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: he says about the run defense. People are putting a

1443
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: lot of hopes on stars Back here, Yeah, they are,

1444
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: and I get it. We thought it was we missed

1445
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: his presence last year during the season. I don't know

1446
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: how many, how many, what percentage of snaps he's gonna get.

1447
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be nice if the defense got more turnovers

1448
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: than they did a year ago. But as far as

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: Markus Stevenson, we already have a sneaky good contributor on

1450
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: offense and a good returner in Isaiah McKenzie. So he's

1451
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to play better than mackenzie did and offer

1452
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: more than McKenzie has in the past to take his

1453
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 1: spot because I and maybe I'm wrong, maybe the coaching

1454
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: staff sees it very differently than I do than they could.

1455
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: I see Isaiah McKenzie and Marquess Stevenson almost as the

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01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: same type of player. Their styles are extremely if their

1457
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: styles are different but the same role. Yeah, and you

1458
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: know it might or might not be the case. But

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01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: like I said, you know Mark Quez is he's a

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01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: fast dude. Yeah, straight line, one cut guy, where Isaiah

1461
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: is more of the jitterbug guy, shake you out of

1462
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 1: your shoes. I don't know how Mark Quez plays wide

1463
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 1: out as whether he plays as well as mackenzie does,

1464
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: but he's gonna get a chance to show it. Yeah,

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01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 1: be an interesting competition in camp starting next week. Alan

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01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: on the Sweetcheet says, a scoring defense that dominates the league.

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01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: I could live with that. That would be I like that.

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01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I would love that to have a defense

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01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: that you can't score and can't move the ball and

1470
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: get Chuck's turnovers back to the offense all the time,

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01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: takes the ball into The twenty seventeen defense did a

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Speaker 1: lot of that. They did. In fact, that was mcdermot's

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Speaker 1: first year. That was the engine that drove them to

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01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: the playoffs to break it. Yeah, I mean for Davious

1475
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: down in Atlanta with that fifty three yard fumble return

1476
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: for a touchdoirst year. In the first half of that season,

1477
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: the Bill's defense was a turnover machine. Yeah, and that's

1478
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: really what set the table for them to have the

1479
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: season they did, No question about it. That would be fun,

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: that's fun. Yeah, it's a shame and as you can't

1481
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: pull a defense from this year and stick it with

1482
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,840
Speaker 1: this offense from last year and put it together, well

1483
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 1: they do. If they do, they're what are we? You know,

1484
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: the expectations wouldn't of the team wouldn't change. Yeah, everybody

1485
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: still expects this team be good. If the defense shows

1486
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: up and starts playing well, yeah, that changes things, no

1487
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: question about for the better. Rusty on the tweet sheet says,

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01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: I think getting Star back and increased defensive line competition,

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01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: along with Milano returning and Edmonds also and s and

1490
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: Oliver each with another year more experience, should increase the

1491
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,759
Speaker 1: push we have in the front seven and helps smother

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01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 1: opposing teams run game. I mean that really, you know,

1493
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: we hear this coaching staff say it ad nauseum. It

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01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: starts up front, and that was part of their success

1495
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,520
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. As a defense, they were so stifling

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: on first down. By the time it got to third down,

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01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: very often it was third and seven or more, right,

1498
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: And I mean not even a casual fan can tell

1499
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,919
Speaker 1: you the advantage shifts sharply to the defense in those scenarios.

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: Say this though, when I in my years as an

1501
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: analyst in the booth for for CBS and all the

1502
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: best defenses, and this is one of the things that

1503
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 1: strug They struggled with last year a little bit, particularly

1504
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: Tamaine when he had his bad shoulder and Milana when

1505
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: he wasn't in there, and he saw it at other times,

1506
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: and most defenses around the league struggle with this. It's

1507
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: very simple. They didn't tackle well, particularly earlier in the season.

1508
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: The best defenses in the NFL all have one thing

1509
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: in common. The first guy to the football makes the tackles.

1510
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: It's almost universal. You don't see a guy breaking tackles.

1511
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: You don't see a guy shrugging off, guy running through

1512
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: that da that you know, you don't see that in

1513
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 1: good defenses. The first guy to the football gets the

1514
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: ball on the ground. If you do that in the NFL,

1515
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a number one a number one defense,

1516
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: absolutely no broken tackles, no misscontact. Because coordinators in the

1517
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: league they'll always have a guy in the in the

1518
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 1: hole ready, They'll always have a guy filling the gap.

1519
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: They're always gonna have be integrity, have integrity in their

1520
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 1: front seven to where if the guy cuts in up inside,

1521
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: there's something gonna be a defender there. He's coached to

1522
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: be there. And if the first guy there makes the tackle,

1523
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: you're not running it. That's that simple. That goes for

1524
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: the passing game too. Guy catches a short pass, first

1525
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: guy out there, and you see a guy you know

1526
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 1: sidestep or makes a move and he's off and running.

1527
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: Good defense is that doesn't happen. First guy to the

1528
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: ball makes the tackle. It's that simple on defense, in

1529
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: my opinion. And that's obviously an oversimplification of how you

1530
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: get there. But last year, because of the bad offseason,

1531
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: because of the no contact, no preseason games, they start

1532
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: out the first half of the year and nobody could

1533
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: remember yeah, and I think it's stuck with him for

1534
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: a while. Then Tremaine gets hurt. He can't he can't

1535
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: wrap up the tackle because he's armed, he's playing with

1536
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: one arm, he's got a he's got a thing on

1537
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: his arm, Milano's out, you know so, and stars not there.

1538
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a huge thing. Logic would say, with

1539
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: a full preseason and a training camp in which there

1540
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: will be some padded practices, that the tackling should be

1541
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 1: better right from the jump, not only for the Bills,

1542
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: but probably every other team if coach properly right, I mean,

1543
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: logic would say that. So, I think there is a

1544
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: good chance that, you know, the run defense is better

1545
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: just from that standpoint, maybe more than any other. Quickly,

1546
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: Eli says, I think a pleasant surprise will be more

1547
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: the Bills beating KC Tampa Bay by good margins, convincing margins,

1548
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: because that means the team is playing well in all phases.

1549
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: We in an efficient run game, a better run d

1550
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 1: a better pass rush, and if we keep the scoring,

1551
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: we can win the super Bowl. If we keep the

1552
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: scoring up, we can win the super Bowl. That's a

1553
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: long list, though, I mean to anticipate everything will be better. Sure,

1554
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: we'd love that in an ideal world that happens, but

1555
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: and if the way this league works, it's probably not

1556
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: likely to say it. From this end of it, yeah,

1557
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: you say you beat Kansas City in Tampa Bay during

1558
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: their season, people are gonna go home, gush, here we go.

1559
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: But that's taken for granted that you don't lay any

1560
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: stinkers against Jacksonville and yeah, Houston, Houston, the Jets, Right,

1561
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, you don't look you don't look like you

1562
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: know a junk. Keep going into those stadiums, um that

1563
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: you know if you if you if you drop a

1564
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: tough game to a team like Indianapolis, or if you

1565
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 1: drop a tough game to a team like uh, you

1566
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: know whoever you know, then it's like, okay, how you

1567
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: see if you but um in New Orleans. But if

1568
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: you go in and do beat a Kansas City team

1569
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 1: or beat a Kansas City team, and you beat a

1570
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 1: team like Tampa Bay, it depends on the seasons they're

1571
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: having as well. If everybody's beating him, then it's not

1572
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: such a big deal. So from this end of it, yeah,

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01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: that sounds great. But once again, we're projecting last year

1574
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: onto this year, and it's going to be a little different.

1575
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: Last one from New York Dogs, the screen Pass resurrect

1576
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: the screen Pass and the Bills win the super Bowl.

1577
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: This this just in from the old simplification department. If

1578
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: we can just run a screen we're gonna win the

1579
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: whole damn thing. You picture an offensive coordinator getting up

1580
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: in the front of the room, guys, Hey, let's go, guys.

1581
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: I have found the key to a championship season. We

1582
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: just need to run a screen pass. If we can

1583
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: do that, we win the whole freaking thing. All right,

1584
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I'll see out there on the field. Let's go everybody

1585
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: in the room and be like we're host Yeah, we're screwed.

1586
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be more difficult than that. He's right, though,

1587
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: they haven't had a really good screen game of late, yeah,

1588
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And Brito would help with that.

1589
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: You would think a guy who's got breakaway speed would

1590
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: help um. And I don't know. I think one of

1591
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: the reasons why is, like everything, I think it starts

1592
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: up front. I don't think their offensive moment, like the

1593
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Feliciano and Cody Ford are athletic enough to get out

1594
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,560
Speaker 1: in front of that stuff. And it starts kind of

1595
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 1: with your guards and when you're talking about getting guys out.

1596
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: So Morse can do it, But Morse can but you

1597
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 1: know I can cover Morse up than it's up to

1598
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: your guards. So you know, I think it has more

1599
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: to do with the offensive line than it does with

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01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Matt Breeder, Devin Singletarrier, Josh break time for us here

1601
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,640
Speaker 1: when we come back. Plenty more to discuss, including some

1602
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: of our camp countdown topics that'll be coming your way

1603
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 1: in the third hour of the program. As we have

1604
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: a running series both on the written and video side

1605
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: on Buffalo bills dot Com, we're gonna share some of

1606
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: those with you at the top of the hour when

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01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: we return here on One Bills Live, presented by Kalid

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01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One

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01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 1: Bills Live. Closing out the second hour of the program.

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Third hour to follow, and as we know, the Steelers

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01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have both checked in at training camp

1612
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: because they are the two teams that will be playing

1613
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame Game, which is a week

1614
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: prior to when everybody else plays their first preseason game,

1615
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: so as a result, they get to start their training

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01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:23,600
Speaker 1: camp a week earlier than everyone else. And we'll have

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01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: one item on the Cowboys and one item on the Steelers.

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01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: First on the Cowboys. Jerry Jones addressed the media and

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01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: essentially said that they are in very good shape with

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01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: respect to their team vaccination rate. They only have a

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01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: handful of players who in all likelihood will not get vaccinated.

1622
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: But Stephen Jones, who's essentially the GM, essentially said that

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01:29:55,960 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 1: they will be at the eighty five percent vac nation

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01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: rate for their club by the time they get to

1625
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame game in a couple of weeks time.

1626
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: And what that means is they will be able to

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01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 1: conduct business as usual. They will not have to operate

1628
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: under team wide COVID protocols. The unvaccinated players will still

1629
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 1: have to wear masks in socially distanced and not travel

1630
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: on the team plane and all of that stuff. But

1631
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: the vaccinated players, of which they believe will be at

1632
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: a greater than eighty five percent threshold, be able to

1633
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: conduct business as usual. And we heard Baker may where

1634
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: we saw Baker Mayfield on Twitter quoted as saying, because

1635
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: the Browns are in a very good position as well,

1636
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: they see it as a competitive advantage. There is no

1637
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: secret that coaches around the league, Steve have said that

1638
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: having to operate the way they did last year under

1639
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: the COVID protocols made it harder to prepare four games

1640
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 1: for a myriad of reasons, whether it was the meaning

1641
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: time and being all spread out in a field house

1642
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: like the Bills were here last year, or you know,

1643
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: having to distance, having to do more things remotely, not

1644
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: getting enough face to face time. All of those reasons

1645
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: made it harder to prepare free games. Now, fortunately everybody

1646
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: was in the same boat. But if your team isn'

1647
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: vaccinated at the threshold necessary under the league protocols, you're

1648
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: gonna be in a competitive disadvantage getting ready for gaming

1649
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 1: this year. You're gonna have to jump through the COVID hoops.

1650
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: You know, the protocols, the testing, the social distancing, the

1651
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: spreading out, the meetings on Zoom, all of that stuff

1652
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: is gonna have to do instead of doing going back

1653
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 1: to where it was, you know before COVID as you know,

1654
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 1: getting back to normal life. So, yeah, if your team's

1655
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 1: able to do that, absolutely it's an advantage, particularly if

1656
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: depending Yeah, all those teams that have to go still

1657
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: go through those COVID things. I mean, oh my god,

1658
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 1: the difference is unbelievable. Yeah, your whole day is efficient,

1659
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: more efficient, and other news out of Cowboys camp. Dak

1660
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Prescott is full go coming off the busted ankle and

1661
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: ankle surgery that followed. He is full go for training camp.

1662
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: And then with respect to Steelers training camp with players

1663
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: reporting today, there was this shot of Ben Roethlisberger. Ben

1664
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger a photo taken of him as he reported to camp,

1665
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: and he had a very interesting shirt that read on

1666
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: three lines the word different. The question is how much

1667
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: different does he look Steve Ben Roethlisberger at Steelers camp

1668
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: as he reports. Do we have that photo? We've heard

1669
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: the stories, We've heard the stories about how he's watching

1670
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 1: his diet. We're gonna kind of recommitted himself to eating

1671
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: all the right things and doing the right stuff. So

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01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: you kind of think, okay, well, if a guy's doing

1673
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: that at that level, he's got the wherewithal to get

1674
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: that done. He's gonna look way different. Ben doesn't look

1675
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: that different to me. Yeah, still still got the boiler going. Um,

1676
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: he's you know, yeah, so I kind of a dad

1677
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 1: bod man, Yeah, dad bod um. Yeah, not all that different,

1678
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: not all that different. So he's different on the inside.

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01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh that must be what he is. That that's gotta be.

1680
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,080
Speaker 1: It's I think you nailed it. You nailed it different

1681
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: on the inside. Uh. Yeah, we saw the reports that

1682
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: he's reportedly obsessed with his diet um. I don't know

1683
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: what that. I don't want to laugh. I'm good for him.

1684
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Does that mean I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I

1685
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't either. I guess the proof will

1686
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 1: be in the pudding, and the Bills will see it firsthand.

1687
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 1: They'll be the first team to see it for real.

1688
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: And I imagine he's gonna play well early in the season.

1689
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: I think Ben's got some football, and I mean, the

1690
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: guy's really gifted. He is thirty nine. But they were

1691
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: eleven and oh to start the season last year and

1692
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: probably would have gone on to get the number one

1693
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: seed had it not appeared that their offense just flat

1694
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: And I don't know how any other way to say it,

1695
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,879
Speaker 1: they just flat ran out of gas. Yeah. Adity Ki Kabwala,

1696
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: you know who works for NFL Network and as a

1697
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: good friend of the show, tweeted the following, It's bold

1698
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 1: prediction time concerning Ben Roethlisberger. One he will go under

1699
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,799
Speaker 1: center more this year. Two he will call run plays

1700
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: happily three, his deep ball will not be the cause

1701
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 1: of consternation it was last year. That's that's it. That's

1702
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing that I'm going to keep an

1703
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 1: eye on is his arm strength back, because he clearly

1704
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: coming off of the elbow surgery, could not sling it

1705
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: like he used to. Yeah, it looked like their offense

1706
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: was to stereotype the offense. What people said about their

1707
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: offense last year, it was like a two yard pass

1708
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: every play. Yeah. I mean they completely forgot about the

1709
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: run game and they threw the ball literally no further

1710
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 1: than five yards down the field every single play. Yeah,

1711
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: and you know that causes problems. It led to a

1712
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 1: pick six and Monday Night Football here in Buffalo by

1713
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Tarren Johnson. Um. They their offense was in you know,

1714
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: stereotypically short pass, long run hopefully, and it just didn't

1715
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: work enough. Once once teams started to just not believe

1716
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: they were gonna do anything else, they started to struggle.

1717
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: They started to struggle and whatever the reasons were for

1718
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: their for that, now they didn't run the ball well,

1719
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: but they gave up on it completely as well. So

1720
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: that's why you know there and then where we talked

1721
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: about it. Then they didn't draft any offensive line. They're

1722
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: gonna have. They're gonna have five guys. They're gonna have

1723
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: guys on their off of line, all five of which

1724
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 1: did not play that position last year. Four of them

1725
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: are going to be brand new to the team. That's

1726
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 1: an enormous question mark too. Yeah, I think Ben's going

1727
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: to be under a lot of duress, especially early in

1728
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 1: the season, because the history of this game has shown

1729
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: us that there is a premium on continuity, and when

1730
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: you don't have it, it is very hard to perform consistently,

1731
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 1: especially with an offensive line. I'll say this that is

1732
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: largely constructed. Can they have Trede Turner, But you can

1733
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: say this about what you want about their offensive line.

1734
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: And then the Bills had those problems in twenty eighteen

1735
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Josh's first year, he had the offensive line struggled in

1736
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: front of them because they lost Richie Incognito and Eric

1737
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 1: would and they didn't know they were going to lose

1738
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 1: those guys until after the first of the year, and

1739
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: they didn't have any assets to replace them with anybody quality,

1740
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: and they just couldn't get it done. And then two

1741
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 1: or that was in the twenty nineteen. I guess two

1742
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: twenty they put it together and their offensive line came

1743
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: together in the way that they liked it. I can't

1744
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 1: remember whether it was eighteen or nineteen, but anyway, Josh's

1745
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: rookie year, I guess, and so and now the Bills

1746
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: are still doing it now. The Bills got better with

1747
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,600
Speaker 1: their offensive line immediately because they did switch out a

1748
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: lot of guys. They churned the entire line. Dion Dawkins

1749
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: was the only hold over. They brought Mitch Morrison, they

1750
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 1: brought Feliciano in, they brought Tyn Seki in. All these

1751
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: guys came in, and they drafted Cody Ford. I guess

1752
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: that's the year. So they got had four four new

1753
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: players on the offensive line at least, and those players

1754
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,839
Speaker 1: were so much of an upgrade over the athletic ability

1755
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: and the guys they had the year before. The offensive

1756
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 1: line was immediately better, immediately with or without continuity, but

1757
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't at playing at its best. So I think

1758
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steeler fans can sit there and say, you

1759
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: know what, those guys were so rough at the end

1760
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: of last year because they were so long in the two.

1761
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: That offensive line of the pitch. She's got old fast,

1762
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 1: and by replacing them, you'll probably get all four of

1763
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: them more. All five guys are gonna play better than

1764
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,200
Speaker 1: the five guys did last year at any point, they

1765
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 1: just won't play as well together as they could after

1766
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 1: they get some reps in you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1767
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:16,839
Speaker 1: so that I think there's no question that it's Pittsburgh

1768
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 1: offensive line will play better just because they'll have more

1769
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: athletic and younger guys in some cases better. But the

1770
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: cohesion that you're talking about is going to keep them

1771
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: from hitting on all cylinders right away. Out with them

1772
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 1: break time for us here. When we return, we will

1773
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,879
Speaker 1: take a look at some of our camp countdown topics

1774
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: that we've covered on Buffalo bills dot com. Steve and

1775
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: I are going to elaborate on those because there are

1776
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: some juicy ones to pick about, and we'll do that

1777
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 1: when we return here on One Bills Live presented by

1778
01:38:46,439 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 1: Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio at a Steve Tasker

1779
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 1: who has been all all of the field, kind of unique.

1780
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you

1781
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 1: state save a blimp. We're not even in the straded

1782
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: beer of normalcy our number three. Here we go Chris Brown,

1783
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you on a Wednesday one Bills Live.

1784
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,639
Speaker 1: And we mentioned earlier in the show how Fred Warner

1785
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: today signed a five year, ninety five million dollar contract

1786
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,680
Speaker 1: is now the highest paid linebacker in football for now.

1787
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people are of the opinion that Darius

1788
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 1: Leonard from the Colts, who has been an even more

1789
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: productive player than him Willie, clips that deal, presumably with

1790
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: something in the neighborhood of one hundred million dollars. But

1791
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 1: here's there is this with respect to the forty nine

1792
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: ers which makes me think of the Bills and all

1793
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 1: the big contracts that are sitting in front of them,

1794
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: presumably contract extensions. In the last year and a half,

1795
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: actually in less than a calendar year, the forty nine

1796
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 1: Ers have done the following George Kittle five years seventy

1797
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: five million dollar extension, left tackle, Trent Williams six years

1798
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty eight million dollars extension, and now Fred

1799
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: Warner five years ninety five million dollar extension. You could

1800
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: make the argument, Steve, that in the next year the

1801
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Bills will be doing very much the same thing with

1802
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 1: at least three players. It's hard to get around the

1803
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,439
Speaker 1: fact that your roster might become top heavy, a little

1804
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 1: bit like the Rams roster, a little bit where you've

1805
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: got what fought four five six key players, three on

1806
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: each side of the ball. Think of it right now,

1807
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:53,919
Speaker 1: in the last year, Tredavious White, Dion Dawkins, Matt Mullano.

1808
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Miloner's deals not earth chattering, but it's a signal.

1809
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: It's eleven and little over eleven a year. It's nothing

1810
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: to sneeze at, right Um, And now you're gonna be

1811
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: looking at Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmonds and and maybe somebody else. Uh,

1812
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: you know, you'll have to wait and see. But yeah,

1813
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 1: they'll have to make decisions. I mean, Terren Johnson is

1814
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 1: entering the last year is deal. He's not gonna break

1815
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: the bank. They'll have to make decisions on Dawson, Knox,

1816
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 1: on on Ed Oliver m Yeah, it's coming down the pike. Um.

1817
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll be well. Edmonds and Allen will

1818
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: be as gigantic as some of these. Yeah, but you know,

1819
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: and Tredavius had a fat deal, So those three, they're

1820
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: gobbling up a lot of cap space. You're gonna have

1821
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 1: to get creative with the with the you know, you're

1822
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,679
Speaker 1: gonna have to draft really well to get cheap labor

1823
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 1: on the roster to help you stay at the top

1824
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 1: of the AFC. They keep you know, putting Digs off.

1825
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: They keep giving Digs a little Oh that's the other one.

1826
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 1: I was thinking of Digs. You're gonna have to read

1827
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: digs next year. They get a little bumped to Diggs

1828
01:41:55,120 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: this last year. Um. So yeah, when you play well,

1829
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: you got a lot of guys to thank for it. Um.

1830
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 1: But more than thanking them, you gotta pay him. So

1831
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: it's it's you run the risk of losing some really

1832
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: good players and getting your roster really top heavy with

1833
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: a couple three guys on each side of the ball

1834
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: and not enough money to pay the rest of them, right,

1835
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: you know that's that's an issue. Although well, I don't know, Gosh,

1836
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 1: you should be able to do that. There should be

1837
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: a way to do it. But if you know, if

1838
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: if players want to jump out and test the free

1839
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 1: agent market, you're not gonna stop him from doing it. Um.

1840
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: You know, Corey be Orches did that. You know the

1841
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 1: club couldn't. They couldn't agree, So he's gone. Um, you know,

1842
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: and then they signed guys to deals and and they

1843
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: don't live up to those deals and they get rid

1844
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 1: of those guys. Guys like Quentin Spain. M Trent Murphy

1845
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: played out his term here in Buffalo, went through his contract. Um.

1846
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: It's the finances are an issue, and it's easy because

1847
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 1: this is the time of year where we just saw

1848
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:09,519
Speaker 1: it and we're you know, for no other reason than

1849
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: has happened in the past. We're expecting maybe the Bills

1850
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 1: to do something like that, but I don't know if

1851
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: it'll happen in the next couple of weeks. What those

1852
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 1: numbers are. It's really intriguing though, where those numbers are headed.

1853
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 1: We all know this too. In two years in twenty

1854
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 1: twenty three, it's going to be a fat number. The

1855
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,680
Speaker 1: cap a really fat number. And so that's where you

1856
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,320
Speaker 1: stick the escalators and the jump up and contract value

1857
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: because you'll be able to fit it under. There was

1858
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:44,879
Speaker 1: this also from Howard Eskin, reporter broadcaster in Philadelphia, latest

1859
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: on the Eagles, Zach Ertz. I know there is a

1860
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: great chance Ertz will be on the Eagles team at

1861
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: the start of the season. Been told Zach will be

1862
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,000
Speaker 1: there at the start of training camp next Tuesday. Zach

1863
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: has been working out in the team facility for close

1864
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: to the last two weeks with teammates. He's apparently over

1865
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: the issues that plague the team last year, chiefly with

1866
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Carson Wentzon maybe do a certain extent with arts as well. Yeah,

1867
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 1: well so that's the latest there. I'm yeah, there's it's

1868
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 1: just to kind of we're in limbo here waiting to

1869
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 1: see all these rosters get these last couple of guys

1870
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: on the guys like like Ertz who have been a

1871
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 1: question mark all off season. I don't know though, most

1872
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: of the time those guys move on, right. Yeah, it's

1873
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: just price tag. That's just because just because it's hard

1874
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 1: to walk into the locker room and play football and

1875
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: be a you know, play a physical game where you

1876
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,560
Speaker 1: got to pour so much of your physical body into it,

1877
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: to walk into a locker room known at the club

1878
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: been trying to get rid of you for six months.

1879
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,560
Speaker 1: It's hard to lay it on the line for that,

1880
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, and some guys just aren't willing

1881
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: to do it, or at least not at the level

1882
01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: they did before. So it looks like Earth's at the

1883
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 1: very least we'll be in camp in Philadelphia by according

1884
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: to Haward Eskin's report, I just don't and I don't

1885
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 1: think that's a surprise. I you know, he's eight and

1886
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: a quarter million cap figure. That's exactly is the prohibitive issue,

1887
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and that's why he's That's why

1888
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 1: it's a prohibitive issue in Philly. Two. They'd take him

1889
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 1: back for you know whatever, whatever you pick a number.

1890
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: It's lower than that, probably half maybe whatever. But in

1891
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,680
Speaker 1: Earth's isn't required to do that. He's not required to

1892
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: give him money back. And you know, let's be fair

1893
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: here too. He's not a doorstop. He's played tight end.

1894
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,719
Speaker 1: He's a very solid tight end I think whose production

1895
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 1: was compromised to a large degree by the toilet Bowl

1896
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 1: of a season that Carson Wentz had. And there were

1897
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 1: other extenuating circumstances on top of that, so you know,

1898
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,960
Speaker 1: myriad of injuries on the offensive line. You know, we

1899
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: all know that it starts up front, as we've said,

1900
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 1: and you know, everything trickles down from there, and that's

1901
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 1: why their passing game was such a struggle. So that's

1902
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: where it's at there. We wanted to get into some

1903
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: of the camp countdown issues that were brought to light

1904
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: in our series on Buffalo Bill's dot com, both on

1905
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: the written and the video side. Steve, myself, Mandy glab Our,

1906
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: intern Dante Lasting All kind of putting some stuff together

1907
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,719
Speaker 1: for you to digest from now until the very start

1908
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,920
Speaker 1: of training camp a week from today is the first practice.

1909
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: So among the ones that we wanted to touch on,

1910
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 1: who's going to start at cornerback number two? Steve? I mean,

1911
01:46:45,080 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: I think we both agree, at least coming out of

1912
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,080
Speaker 1: mini camp, it's going to be a two horse race

1913
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 1: at least by the looks of it on the surface.

1914
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody could, you know, add to the mix

1915
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: if they really stand out, But it looks like it

1916
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: is a two horse race between the guy that nobody

1917
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,080
Speaker 1: can unseat here the last three years, Levi Wallace and

1918
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:09,719
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson, the second year player at a pit former

1919
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 1: seventh round draft choice. Isn't it crazy to think that

1920
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:15,720
Speaker 1: the two guys vying for the starting position, one was

1921
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,800
Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie and the other guys the seventh round

1922
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: draft choice. And most people be like, oh my god,

1923
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 1: that's the best we can do. But two pretty good players. Yeah,

1924
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson flashed last year and at the end of

1925
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 1: the season. We haven't talked about him for a while

1926
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,599
Speaker 1: because I'm sick of hearing your man crush on him,

1927
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 1: about hearing your man crush on him, because you you know,

1928
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of with you. The guys flashed. I

1929
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 1: like a guy who plays well and does it consistently

1930
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: unlimited chances. The problem is can he stay healthy enough

1931
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: to be on the field and stay on the field.

1932
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 1: I think the reason we don't want to say discount

1933
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 1: I'll just say that I don't add Rashad wild Goose

1934
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: into that mix is because of the experience both these

1935
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 1: guys have in the defense. Yeah, that's we saw Gabriel

1936
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: Davis do it last year on offensively, just spread his

1937
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,400
Speaker 1: wing and say, hey, listen, I got this, and the

1938
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 1: coaching staff says, well, let's test him, see what he's got.

1939
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, he does, all right, put him in.

1940
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 1: So he was on the field in a four wide

1941
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,679
Speaker 1: receiver set where most people were worried maybe he doesn't

1942
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 1: make the team kind of thing right, So that could happen.

1943
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,919
Speaker 1: I don't know how often it happens on the defensive

1944
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 1: side of the ball, because it rarely happens on offense.

1945
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 1: But if Rashad wild Goose shows up, it doesn't make mistakes.

1946
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:33,040
Speaker 1: He's as gifted as those guys are physically. Yeah, so

1947
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 1: that's where the question marks lie about him. Yeah, And

1948
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 1: we also had him on our air not too long ago,

1949
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: and he basically explained like, oh, I'm getting some work

1950
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:48,120
Speaker 1: inside as well, So who knows if he factors in

1951
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 1: in there. So that's something to keep an eye on

1952
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,639
Speaker 1: as well. He may not even be lining up out

1953
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: there by the time we watch these guys on the

1954
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 1: practice field, so that'll be something to keep an eye

1955
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 1: on as well. And the thing about you know, Dane Jackson,

1956
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, I like Levi Wallace as much as the

1957
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 1: next guy. As as I've always described him, I said,

1958
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:14,280
Speaker 1: he's a steady eddy player. You know, he's gonna you

1959
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: can trust him out there. He's not gonna get you killed.

1960
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: I just don't know that he is a game changer.

1961
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 1: And if Dan Jackson's instincts are as good as I

1962
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: think they are, he has the potential to be a

1963
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 1: game changing player, you know, not just covering guys up

1964
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,639
Speaker 1: or making a pass breakup but making an interception, forcing

1965
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 1: a fumble, jumping on a loose ball. He's got instincts

1966
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: like that that make him so appealing to me. Now,

1967
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: if that consistency is not demonstrated with a larger role,

1968
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: well then yeah, it's probably gonna be Levi Wallace that starts.

1969
01:49:57,000 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: And I think if all things are relatively even coming

1970
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: out of training camp in the preseason, I could see

1971
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: this coaching staff siding with Levi Wallace at least to

1972
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: start the year. And we saw that the last couple

1973
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 1: of years, even when Kevin Johnson was here in twenty nineteen,

1974
01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace was the starter. As we got to the

1975
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,400
Speaker 1: second half of the season and Kevin Johnson got a

1976
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 1: handle on this defense, they started platooning in the second

1977
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 1: half of the year if you remember, probably like the

1978
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 1: last six seven games of the season, to see if

1979
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson could give them a little bit more in

1980
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: terms of playmaking ability. So that's something that sits in

1981
01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 1: the back of my mind as well. How ready is

1982
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 1: Dan Jackson. If the coaching staff likes what they see

1983
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 1: but don't believe he's quite ready, then it's Levi Wallace's job.

1984
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: And then they see how Dan Jackson comes along through

1985
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 1: the course of the year, and we saw Tarren Johnson

1986
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 1: get benched last year for a couple of games and

1987
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: then get put back in when you know, somebody got

1988
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,400
Speaker 1: hurt and went right back in. Yeah, and Lewis cam

1989
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: Lewis and that who's still here too, right and all.

1990
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: Cam Lewis is probably in the mix. But if he

1991
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to beat Levi Wallace out yet, I

1992
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be able to do it now.

1993
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's even in the mix out there,

1994
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:14,799
Speaker 1: but he probably is. I mean, but all those spots

1995
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 1: are going to get competed for the slot corner and

1996
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: the outside corner opposite Tredevious, and it's gonna be, I think,

1997
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: a free for all because all those guys are gonna

1998
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: be getting getting tries inside the slot and with a

1999
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 1: guy on the outside, and then vice versa as well.

2000
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm hard pressed to think that there's a guy who's

2001
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 1: going to elevate and just totally set himself apart from

2002
01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: all of these guys. I think they're all that close

2003
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,599
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be up to the catch. Coaching staffs,

2004
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 1: You're like oh, what do you think? You know, I

2005
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: think that I think they're gonna have a really good

2006
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 1: level of depth there. Certainly we'd like to see the

2007
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 1: level raised as high as it can be raised, but

2008
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace has raised it enough to maintain that spot

2009
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:04,400
Speaker 1: against all comers going on four years now, okay, so

2010
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: I think the level is different than it was three

2011
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 1: years ago. Other Cam Countdown topic three potential breakout players

2012
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 1: on defense. If you had to pick three, who would

2013
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 1: you take there? I would take Ed Rousseau, oh okay,

2014
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 1: and I would take CB two. Whoever the starting second

2015
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: cornerback is Levi or Dane Jackson. I would go Ed,

2016
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 1: and then I would go AJ and then Dane Jackson

2017
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,280
Speaker 1: Ed because I think the return of Star helps him.

2018
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:59,560
Speaker 1: I also foresee, for lack of a better term, some

2019
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 1: term herbo or race car packages in passing situations where

2020
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 1: Ed's on the field, Jerry Hughes is on the field,

2021
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: Greg Russou's inside, and Carlos Basham is on the field,

2022
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 1: or a JP Andes is on the field. You know,

2023
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 1: those lightweight turbo packages where they're all going and I

2024
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: think the guy that they concerned themselves with the least

2025
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: is the quote unquote slowest of the four, which is Ed,

2026
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 1: and I think Ed's going to surprise some people in

2027
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: one on one situations. So I could see a turbo

2028
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: package like that really helping to boost at Oliver's pass

2029
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: rushing productivity this year. Then with AJ, I mean Leslie

2030
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:43,559
Speaker 1: Frasier was gushing the spring about the change in body

2031
01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:47,719
Speaker 1: composition by AJ, how he looked different on the field,

2032
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 1: his firm grasp of the defensive scheme. All these things

2033
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 1: are pointing in the direction of him being arrow up

2034
01:53:56,080 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 1: in year two. Yeah, I think this, and we've we've

2035
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: talked about it a lot, particularly this offseason, because it's

2036
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,840
Speaker 1: really the first time where it really kind of reared

2037
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 1: its head. And that's about That's the elite traits. The

2038
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 1: reason I say Russeau is because elite traite don't hide,

2039
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 1: and elite trades are transcended. So it doesn't matter if

2040
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: you're going against an experienced offensive lineman or an inexperienced

2041
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: young offensive lineman, or an offensive lineman who's limited. Your

2042
01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 1: elite traits are going to measure up. Russo's got those.

2043
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,000
Speaker 1: He's fast, and he's big, he's got an incredible length,

2044
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 1: and a guy that size, you've got to get in

2045
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:43,080
Speaker 1: front of him, and you've got to do some things

2046
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: to stem his momentum because it is so much a

2047
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: guy that size with that lenk who gets a lot

2048
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,960
Speaker 1: of momentum can also gain leverage really fast because of

2049
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 1: his length. So I think he's gonna use that to

2050
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 1: his advantage. I think he's gonna be too much to

2051
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: handle for some offense of lineman the Bills are going

2052
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 1: to face just because of his physicality. And I think

2053
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 1: he has also showed. I think he showed enough in

2054
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 1: that year, his junior year in Miami before he opted

2055
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: out to be drafted at least as high as he

2056
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 1: got drafted this year. Yeah, if he would have been

2057
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: a year older and come out on that in that year,

2058
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: he would have been drafted in the top half a

2059
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:22,720
Speaker 1: round one very much. So maybe in the top ten,

2060
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: just behind Chase Young. To what level should we be

2061
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:35,560
Speaker 1: concerned about that fact? How green he is in making

2062
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:40,320
Speaker 1: the leap to this level and giving you something this year? Oh,

2063
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 1: I think he's going to give him something this year,

2064
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to happen right at the

2065
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: right time as the season grinds on. So you're just

2066
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 1: get taking a second half of the season surged from

2067
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 1: him where you're really starting to see. I think he's

2068
01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna learn fast, no question. But I also think his

2069
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 1: traits and his motor and his intellect, the kind of

2070
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: guy is is gonna help him to get on the

2071
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 1: field a little quicker than AJ did. Okay, And well, AJ,

2072
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna it's gonna click for him too.

2073
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: I do. I think he's I don't. I'm not gonna

2074
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 1: say I don't. I don't. I think he's gonna get him.

2075
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 1: Not doubting him. I think he's gonna get I think

2076
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna get more sacks than anybody else did on

2077
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 1: this team last year. Okay, so more than well, that's

2078
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: more than five, right, Okay, I think that. I think

2079
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 1: that's the fairest I'll go out on that. Yeah. I

2080
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 1: think he'll get five plus sacks this year. Okay. And

2081
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 1: I and because just because of the fact that he's

2082
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna have some quality guys around him, no question, and

2083
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:38,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna I just think he's he's gonna be a factor.

2084
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 1: So that's one guy for me. Ed is an obvious

2085
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,920
Speaker 1: choice because it's time for him. Yeah, the clock's ticking

2086
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:54,240
Speaker 1: on ed and I think he feels it. Um a J. Yeah,

2087
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:58,120
Speaker 1: I'd like to see AJ play for him this year.

2088
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 1: It learned a lot last year. It needs to because

2089
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 1: for me, he didn't show me he got on the field,

2090
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: which is saying something for the team. I mean, there's

2091
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 1: no quite he's an NFL player, but he did not

2092
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 1: show me the dynamic that I'm looking for from a

2093
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 1: guy like that, you know, a defensive end worth you know,

2094
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 1: he just there's once in a while where wow, look

2095
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: at that. He didn't wow me that much last year. Yeah,

2096
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 1: there's a couple of plays off the top of my

2097
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Speaker 1: something there, right obviously there it was too few and

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Speaker 1: far between, and he wasn't getting a ton of snaps anyway.

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Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of hard lessons for

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Speaker 1: him last year where it was like, oh, man, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then he was behind and I felt like his

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Speaker 1: rookie year was just all about catching up, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he ever did even at the end

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Speaker 1: of the year. Like I'll bet if we asked him,

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Speaker 1: if we had him on the show and we asked him,

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Speaker 1: did you ever feel like you're caught up to where

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Speaker 1: you felt you needed to be as a rookie last year,

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Speaker 1: I bet he would say no, right. I just felt

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Speaker 1: like he was the hamster on the wheel all year long. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there's so much going on physically with him, and

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Speaker 1: he dropped a lot of weight from the draft and

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Speaker 1: the tumor combine, and he couldn't get it back, couldn't

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Speaker 1: put put it on. And that's an incredible distraction for

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Speaker 1: a guy trying to play well because you're always doubting

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Speaker 1: yourself on the field. Yeah, you know, I'm they're telling

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Speaker 1: me I'm not where I need to be. How can

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Speaker 1: I be successful? Plus I'm I wonder what I'm what's

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Speaker 1: this supposed to feel like? Yeah? Like what happens when

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Speaker 1: I do get to their theme? Is this going to change?

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Speaker 1: Am I gonna be able to beat this guy then?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not beating him right now? Or that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. You're always questioning your abilities when they want

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Speaker 1: you at a different spot physically, and I think he

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Speaker 1: struggled with that last year. And you know, so, I'm um,

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Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see him coming back um this

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Speaker 1: year because I know he's gonna feel more comfortable with

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Speaker 1: where he's at physically. Break time for us here. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll get some final thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet and a little bit of NFL true false.

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Speaker 1: We'll hit that up when we return here on One

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Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Klid of Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, final half hour of the program here on

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Speaker 1: a hump day Wednesday, Chris Brown Steve Tasker with you

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Speaker 1: as we inch ever closer to the first training camp

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Speaker 1: practice a week from today. It will have already taken

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Speaker 1: place because coach usually as morning practice as a training camp,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not expecting anything different. All the open ones

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Speaker 1: are gonna be at ten am, which is good for us,

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Speaker 1: perfect for us. Watch practice, come in here, chat about it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: run some sound maybe, yeah, get some comments from the

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Speaker 1: players post practice. We'll have it called it. Walsha Wall

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Speaker 1: right here. Life's gonna get easy w football starts. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah, it does get considerably easier in terms

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Speaker 1: of providing the necessary content for a show like this,

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Speaker 1: which brings us to Steve NFL true False, which is

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Yancey's fancy New York's artisan cheese

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Speaker 1: and leading us off here. You know, people have gone overboard,

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Speaker 1: I think with this Batman and Robin thing. They were

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Speaker 1: doing it in the NF in the NBA Finals with

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Speaker 1: Yannisanta to Kompo and Chris Middleton to the Bucks Who's

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Speaker 1: Batman and who's Robin? Like who's the bat It's like,

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Speaker 1: really are we asking that? I mean, it's Janis all

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Speaker 1: the way and his sidekick is Middleton, And some people

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Speaker 1: were arguing that Middleton was Batman and I'm just like,

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Speaker 1: where are you coming from with this um? And they

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Speaker 1: were doing it with the Suns too, like who's Batman

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Speaker 1: and Robin there? And it's like, how about we just

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Speaker 1: hope they win the damn game? Like who the hell

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Speaker 1: cares if it's Batman? Or like what are we doing

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Speaker 1: with that in mind? We present this Travis Kelsey Tyreek

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Speaker 1: Hill are the NFL's top Batman and Robin duo. Now

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Speaker 1: I see this combination, I say, okay, you know, I

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Speaker 1: understand what you're getting at here. You know they're a

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Speaker 1: great one two punch on the Chiefs offense. Does it

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Speaker 1: have to be a tight end in a receiver though?

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Speaker 1: To be Batman and Robin can't you be a quarterback

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Speaker 1: in somebody else or I don't know, can you be

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Speaker 1: a running back in a receiver? Like? Is it like

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Speaker 1: whatever you want? Like, let me give you an example

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Michael Thomas and and Alvin Kamara. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: I'll take that. Yeah, I might even take that over

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Speaker 1: Kelsey and Hill. I think I might get two dogs

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Speaker 1: and have one Batman and one Robin, and then I'll

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Speaker 1: constantly tease each of them with which one's which, Dude,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do one of our sons Batman and

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Speaker 1: the other one Robin. Yeah I am. I am a

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Speaker 1: two dog family now, as you know, since April. And

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my sit ups this morning in

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Speaker 1: the basement, right and my new dog, who's a pit bull,

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Speaker 1: she thinks she's a five pound lap dog. So anytime

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Speaker 1: anybody gets down on her level on the ground, you're

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Speaker 1: a fair game, right you. She is on you like

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Speaker 1: white on rice, like, oh it's time to wrestle home. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here we go. And I'm just like, can I just

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Speaker 1: do my situps? Please? Like, but anyway, I digress. Batman

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Speaker 1: and Robin duo, can you come up with a better

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Speaker 1: one than Kelsey Hill? I'm no. I know you like

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Speaker 1: Kelsey a lot and and Hill and Hill while you

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Speaker 1: know he's he's a unicorn. Yes, so I'm gonna say no.

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Speaker 1: It's hard because you start because by saying one or

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Speaker 1: the other is say yeah, these guys are, you start

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Speaker 1: saying that Kelsey and Hill aren't good, you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're great. Um, there's some other guys that may have

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Speaker 1: a better game than they do statistically and all that,

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Speaker 1: but those guys are as good and they've been doing

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Speaker 1: it for a while time, and they're doing it with mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget well either. That's a plus for them,

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Speaker 1: no question. What about Lockett and DK Metcalf, what do

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Speaker 1: you think of that? It's pretty good. That's a pretty good.

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Speaker 1: You gotta like the Batman Robin thing with Kelsey and

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Speaker 1: Hill because Kelsey's a big physical tight end. Hills the

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Speaker 1: speeds through that kind of fits the stereotype of Batman.

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Speaker 1: Robin at Calf's kind of a behemoth guy, looks Metcalf, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Metcalf looks you know, he's like otherworldly. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like Avenger. But so yeah, I don't know. You

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Speaker 1: could probably find others though, I think sure. Like I

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Speaker 1: was saying, Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara, I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: probably not going to have the same production without Drew

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Speaker 1: Brees there anymore. But those two are pretty tough to be.

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Speaker 1: You could do it with everything. You could do it with,

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Speaker 1: you know, Poyer in Hide the two safeties for the Bills.

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Speaker 1: You know you could do it with any duo. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think defensively, but yeah, that's interesting. Or Tremaine Edmonds

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Speaker 1: and Matt Milano. You know, we could do it with

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Speaker 1: them too. You could, of course, that would be more

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Speaker 1: like Predator and et kind of thing, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Right on a session that said that an extra terrestrio.

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Speaker 1: Uh right, So yeah, now I'll take yeah, Travi, Kelsey

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Speaker 1: and Hill. Yeah, I'm gonna say false. I like Michael

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Speaker 1: Thomas and Alvin Kamara. Bete. I like that duo better,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna pick that one. Uh NFL true false

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Speaker 1: number two behind the Bucks. The Cowboys have the second

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Speaker 1: best offensive weapons group in the entire NFL. So the

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Speaker 1: Bucks obviously have uh Mike Evans got Chris Godwin, um,

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Speaker 1: they have the tight end Gronk Gronk, and they have

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Speaker 1: the running back the big kid whose name escapes from

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Speaker 1: LSU went to Jacksonville and then now is in tampah Um. Um,

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Speaker 1: why can't I think of his damn name? Leonard Fournette?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Um. It's a pretty good group, um, especially

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Speaker 1: when you have to go to quarterback. Yep. The Cowboys though,

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Speaker 1: would you would you have them as second to that group?

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Speaker 1: So that's Prescott Ezekiel Elliot. I think in terms of

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Speaker 1: name recognition, you would you would have them there, Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Cede Lamb and Michael Gallop. They don't have the tight

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Speaker 1: end of great ilk to throw in the mix there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I would not put Dallas on that.

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Speaker 1: Would you have him second though? To the Bucks? Or

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Speaker 1: do you have somebody better? You have a unit better?

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Speaker 1: In mind? Like, well, I kind of like the Rams

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Speaker 1: Robert wood count offensive weapons. It's saying, so I would

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Speaker 1: a weapon, well, weapon Dallas is not. In the conversation

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Speaker 1: with Dak, I don't know. You don't like Dak. I

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Speaker 1: like him, but he's not second best. Yeah, he's I

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Speaker 1: think I think better than that. I think with the

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Speaker 1: offensive weapons, I think they're assuming the running backs, the

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Speaker 1: tight ends and the receiver, right, you're not talking about

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Speaker 1: the Q. Yeah, I don't think we are here. So

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Speaker 1: would you have Cowboys second, Ceedee Lamb, Michael Gallup, Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. Their tight end really isn't part of that equation.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I'm gonna say yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say no. I'm not gonna put No, you don't have

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Speaker 1: him second. Do you have anybody that comes to mind

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Speaker 1: that you would put second? Anybody immediately spring to mind?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you really got to kind of calm your

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Speaker 1: way through the rosters. Well, the Chiefs Bills aren't anything

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Speaker 1: to sneeze end. The Bills are pretty good. I mean

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Speaker 1: with Sanders. I think Sanders mission with the Bills is

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Speaker 1: maybe a name a name recognition, tight end and running back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's big. I mean, but they got but they

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Speaker 1: go four wide a lot too, yes, which is something

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams do not do like the Bills do.

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Speaker 1: And Gabe Davis, while he had a nice year and

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Speaker 1: was surprised, I don't think he put him on the

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Speaker 1: same plane as he's still largely under the radar league.

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Speaker 1: With the radar, He's thirty five catches last year, and

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Speaker 1: I think that, and like I said before, the thing

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Speaker 1: that makes it run is the guy pulling the trigger. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there isn't more than if a full handful of

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Speaker 1: teams who wouldn't take our guy over their guy who whatever,

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Speaker 1: whoever that is. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. Yeah, you and and

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Speaker 1: these are This is a hard one, true Falls because

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Speaker 1: you feel like it's definitive, but it's not. Dallas has

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Speaker 1: got some good weapons and they were like humming last

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Speaker 1: year before that. Yeah, so we'll see. They've got to

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Speaker 1: feel really good about their guys coming back. I will

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Speaker 1: say in terms of name recognition, I will say yes.

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Speaker 1: So I will say true. I don't know that it's

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Speaker 1: the best group behind the Bucks, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: name recognition, in terms of offensive weapons, I mean Elliott

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Speaker 1: and Cooper, our household names. Ceedee Lamb was a top

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Speaker 1: fifteen pick, and you know, Gallup is the afterthought. But

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Speaker 1: I think he's an underrated player. So for the sake

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Speaker 1: of argument, I'll say true here NFL True Falls number

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Speaker 1: three opportunity with Washington is the best situation quarterback Ryan

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Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick has ever been in. Now he's played for a

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Speaker 1: ton of teams. Nine nine, to be exact, I would say,

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Speaker 1: now he played in Houston when Hopkins was there, that's

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Speaker 1: not a bad situation to be Yeah, but he was

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Speaker 1: the backup. Yeah. Here's the thing, he's the guy, right,

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Speaker 1: So you only want to use the situations where he's

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Speaker 1: the guy that he's had in his career. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: he's always had to wait for his chance to get

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Speaker 1: on the field because of ineffectiveness and ineffectiveness a lot

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Speaker 1: of times. Isn't the quarterback in questions fault? Okay, so

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Speaker 1: now we're talking. So now we're down then to the Jets,

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Speaker 1: the Bills, and I'm trying to remember anywhere else that

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Speaker 1: he started with regularity. Probably Miami. Um, he's with Arizona. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't. He wasn't the starter, chance, wasn't the starter.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I would say, yeah, I go. He said it,

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Speaker 1: and this is why this got on here. Fits himself said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the best situation I've been in. They've got

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02:09:21,560 --> 02:09:24,560
Speaker 1: a great defense over there, they do. He won't have

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02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:26,880
Speaker 1: to score that many points. He'll have some help. They've

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Speaker 1: got a roster that has been bolstered by a lot

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02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 1: of bad seasons, and he's got good speed on the outside.

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02:09:32,280 --> 02:09:36,360
Speaker 1: He's got Terry McLaurin, right, McLaurin. Samuel McLaurin played very

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Speaker 1: well last year. So I'm I'm telling you, I think

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Speaker 1: so he's gonna chuck it around. There's only eight other

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Speaker 1: three guys. Yeah, but Fitz hasn't got you know, he

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02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:49,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have Josh's arm. He needs route runners. I think

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02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:54,120
Speaker 1: Fitz does. You know, he needs a running game. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, I like this situation as well,

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02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,640
Speaker 1: not just for the guys he's out around him, for

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02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 1: the coach on the sidelines. I think Ron Vera gives

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02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:06,800
Speaker 1: him a chance. You know. Yeah, I want to kind

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02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:12,200
Speaker 1: of look at what they have in the backfield because

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02:10:12,200 --> 02:10:13,920
Speaker 1: I remember they used to hide. They used the second

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02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:16,560
Speaker 1: round draft choice on a running back last year, and

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02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:22,440
Speaker 1: he was hurt almost the entire season last year. So

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02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull it up, and of course my

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02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:29,960
Speaker 1: computer is failing me miserably. Yeah, God, this thing is

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02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:33,800
Speaker 1: so slow. I mean, I p on here, man, you're

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02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:38,280
Speaker 1: killing the no but it hold on. Now mine's messing up.

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Speaker 1: I think Washington is a great spot for him, I

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02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:46,160
Speaker 1: really do. And I think that Revere is gonna give

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02:10:46,240 --> 02:10:49,600
Speaker 1: him a chance. Be Revere is a little bit like McDermott.

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02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:51,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna get what you earn. And for a lot

2330
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:54,280
Speaker 1: of guys, particularly guys like Fits naked up there and

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02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:56,320
Speaker 1: they're the backup and they're not gonna get anything unless

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02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:59,000
Speaker 1: there's a train wreck. Well, you know, not so much.

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02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,080
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson is who I was thinking of, the kid

2334
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 1: out of Memphis who they drafted last year. Good player.

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02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,520
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot in the draft. So he's

2336
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:11,360
Speaker 1: got Antonio Gibson in the backfield, Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel

2337
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:13,760
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, They got the veteran slide receiver Adam

2338
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:19,560
Speaker 1: Humphreys there now, and they even have Antonio Gandy Golden,

2339
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:22,160
Speaker 1: who was one of their draft choices, big, huge, hulking kid.

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02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 1: I saw him at the Senior Bowl a couple of

2341
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 1: years back. They got former Bill Logan Thomas at tight

2342
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:29,600
Speaker 1: end who had a career year last year. Yeah, I

2343
02:11:29,680 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 1: think Fitz will really like throwing to that guy, Logan Thomas.

2344
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,400
Speaker 1: He's a big dude and he's getting more and more

2345
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:38,160
Speaker 1: comfortable play in the position. Their offensive line is good

2346
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:40,440
Speaker 1: guard to guard. They did have some losses at tackle.

2347
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,120
Speaker 1: We'll have to see if that hurts them. They did

2348
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:45,000
Speaker 1: draft Sam Cosmi out of Texas, see if he can

2349
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 1: assume a starting line role. But yeah, I'll agree with you.

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02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:51,520
Speaker 1: I'll say true, it's probably his best starting situation based

2351
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:54,440
Speaker 1: on the talent he's other running backs Peyton, Peyton Barber,

2352
02:11:54,640 --> 02:12:01,160
Speaker 1: Jared Patterson, Lamar Miller, Jonathan Williams. It's got talent. It's

2353
02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:03,640
Speaker 1: got talent, Kissick. They've got some guys that he can

2354
02:12:03,800 --> 02:12:05,560
Speaker 1: hand it off to. It'll come down to the way

2355
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 1: their offensive line places. But I do I'll say true.

2356
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it is his best chance. That's NFL True

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Speaker 1: Falls presented by Yancy's fancy Steve and I wrap it

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Speaker 1: up next here on One Bills Live. We'll see in

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Speaker 1: a second what have we learned? Brought to you by Skyworks,

2360
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Speaker 1: the official construction equipment rental company. The Buffalo Bills learned

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Speaker 1: a few things today. Fred Warner's now the highest paid

2362
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:42,240
Speaker 1: linebacker in football at five years, ninety five million dollars

2363
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:46,160
Speaker 1: nineteen a year. But he's probably only going to hold

2364
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 1: on to that title, Steve for a short period of time,

2365
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:54,320
Speaker 1: because when the Colts signed Darius Leonard to his contract extension.

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02:12:54,920 --> 02:12:56,880
Speaker 1: It's going to be for more money than that, probably

2367
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Speaker 1: one hundred million upwards to that. Yeah, and it'll it'll

2368
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:03,040
Speaker 1: be quite the extension. Tremaine Edmonds is sitting there watching

2369
02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:05,040
Speaker 1: that as well, knowing that sooner or later he's going

2370
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:07,400
Speaker 1: to sign his extension. We're waiting on the Josh Allen.

2371
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,640
Speaker 1: It's that season where they can get this done before

2372
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:12,560
Speaker 1: the season begins. They've got to handle on what the

2373
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Speaker 1: cap is going to be this year and going forward

2374
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 1: it'll go up from there. Yeah, it's all coming. It's

2375
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 1: all falling into place. The Bills are going to start

2376
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 1: getting in line with that as well, and for the

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Speaker 1: players generally speaking, Brown and we talked about it, I'd

2378
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Speaker 1: just wait, yeah, because the price they ain't getting cheaper.

2379
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Speaker 1: Dan Graziano of ESPN was reporting earlier today on the

2380
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen quarterback class and who might be first in

2381
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:39,040
Speaker 1: line there, and the general consensus is that it will

2382
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 1: be Lamar Jackson and that Josh Allen will probably follow

2383
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:46,320
Speaker 1: soon thereafter, and then Baker Mayfield's kind of in a

2384
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:48,400
Speaker 1: little bit of a different class because he hasn't achieved

2385
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:50,800
Speaker 1: quite as much as those two. But we'll probably get

2386
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:53,400
Speaker 1: paid as well, and we're talking somewhere between forty and

2387
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Speaker 1: forty five a year for those guys, So yeah, the

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Speaker 1: cost of doing business. Steve and I are done for today,

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Speaker 1: but we will be back with you again tomorrow noon

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Speaker 1: to three one Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. It's

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio and see you tomorrow