WEBVTT - Kendrick Perkins’ Untold NBA Stories: Durant–Westbrook OKC Era & HOF Hazing 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.920 Welcome back to Unplugged, presented to you by Draft Kings. 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.600 The Crown is yours. Today we got a special episode. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.520 We're out here in La teaming up with Meta and 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.200 Threads to sit down and have a great conversation with 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.319 the head of Threads, Connor Hayes and then also a 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.799 friend of the program, Kendrick Perkins. Make sure you guys 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:21.840 tap in and enjoy. What an honor to be your 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.479 guys's first live Threads pod, which is super dope. Shout 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.920 out Meta, thank you everyone for being here. Some of 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.839 the top content creators on Threads are in here, and 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.400 I'm just letting you know. Now let's work whoever you are, 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.800 wherever you are, Let's let's do some stuff together. We're 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.360 really excited to be on Threads and doing Threads and 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.400 again host this event today. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.400 Perk welcome man. How are you, bro? You're good. I'm 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:46.879 talking to you. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.440 And I'm just saying, Matt, you hit me with the 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.559 corporate like, yeah, how you doing. Welcome bro, what's up? 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:54.880 Yeah, I'm about what. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.440 I just wanted to set that up because I'm about 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.200 to get into that side. I think you guys. You 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.360 guys get to see ESPN Park. But when parkins with us, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.520 Park is a different animal. Kendrick motherfucking Perkins is what 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.000 they call him on our show because him and Vernon 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.679 Maxwell are tied for the most motherfuckers you could say 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.839 in one episode, at like eight hundred and seventeen each 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:18.920 in one episode. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.399 Park. Whatever, Man, how's everything? Man? 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.760 I'm good man. I appreciate y'all having me, man. I 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:25.959 appreciate It's always good when I get with you too. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.960 Yeah, we want to want to plug you in and 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.039 meet the Meta family and in the Thrance family, you know, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.720 briden your horizons a little bit. You know, it was 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.240 a pleasure to meet. That's the boss man right there. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.040 He's a big fan of it. Yeah, that Celtic Green. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.360 First of all, congratulations. I think it was last year 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.160 you signed your new ESPN deal. What has that been arts? 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:53.400 This year? Right? Earlier this year? That last year? Last year? Okay, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:54.600 but how's that been going? 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.440 I mean it's you know, I'm grateful. I'm gonna say 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.080 that it's been a grind, you know what I mean? 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:03.960 You all over the TV. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.320 You're gonna work at eight o'clock, nine o'clock, ten o'clock, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:08.680 eleven clock, twelve, o'clock. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.079 So you're gonna work. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.400 But I'm blessed though, because I mean open up a 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.240 lot of other doors and a lot of opportunities that 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.080 you could take advantage of, right, And you know, to 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.359 be honest, you know, as guys like ourselves, you staged 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.040 Jalen Rose, who really opened the door for former players 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.440 to come in and beat themselves. Right, and then you 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.000 realize that you meet so many people and sit in 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.600 so many rooms, right, and have so many relationships. I 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.320 think you know, one of my biggest regrets as a player. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.840 And we all go through this when we playing basketball. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.760 When we hooping, we don't give a fuck about nothing else, right, 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.799 it's just about hooping. We may pass people up, they 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.160 may give us their business cars. We keep it moving, 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.600 and we don't know where their business cards are. Now 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.920 we're in this space, more people see us. Now those 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.919 business cards actually mean something. They going in the wiled Endamn, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.240 the text message going out the next morning. It was 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.760 a pleasure to meeting you. And then all of a 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.760 sudden you're develop in those relationships. And I think that's 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.320 the most that's the best thing that didn't happen for 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.040 me being in this media space. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.360 Two part question, what is the best part about working 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.840 at ESPN and what is the toughest part about working 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:21.480 at ESPN. 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.800 I think the best part about it is again the visibility. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.720 The visibility, right, the visibility comes more opportunity something I 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.320 just harped on. That's the best part about it. Can't 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.000 never take that part of for granted. The hard part 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:42.680 about it is finding that balance, right because we're in 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:49.200 the media space now where you know, so many players 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:55.920 have platforms, right, And I catch myself at times when 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.400 I'm on ESPN, I look across the desk and there's 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.839 no disrespect nobody, But I'm the only motherfucking player up there. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.080 So at times when I may speak about a certain situation, 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.440 or I may speak about something that if it was 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.360 a player, they'd be like, I know exactly what you're 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.280 talking about. But then since it's not a player and 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:19.240 it's no knock to them, it's almost like I'm speaking 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:23.320 a foreign language, right, And so I think that's the 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.760 most difficult part at times is not being able to 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.560 share and be able to tell stories and be able 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.719 to tell certain things that certain people could relate to 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.280 you about, right, and. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.080 In certain situations experience is the only thing that you 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:39.719 know what I'm saying, that you can teach through you 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:40.480 know in cerch Situay. 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:41.599 So to have that experience. 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:43.720 If you don't have it, then it's kind of hard 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.880 there because experience is very you know what I'm saying. 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.400 Very people have that experience, they have that conversation with. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.960 And it's and it's crazy because we like the other day, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.680 I was talking about Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City Thunder and 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.560 how young they are, and I threw out the word sacrificing, 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.600 and like I overemphasized it. I'm like, people talk about 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.080 sacrificing in the locker room, but that shit hardest hell 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.880 to do, especially for a young team, because you know, 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.919 after you win the championship, man, you think you was 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.760 the reason why everybody in the locker room think you 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.800 they was the reason two thousand and eight, I came 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.800 back in two thousand and nine. You couldn't have told 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:23.919 me I wasn't the reason, right, You couldn't tell me 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.760 I wasn't a shit And everybody feel that way. So 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.000 when you watch a young team like OKC and you 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.400 watch the talent that they have, bro they never have 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.400 bad body language. You don't see no one hating on nobody. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.400 We know Sga is the go to guy. And you 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.800 see a guy like aj Mitchell come in while Jaylen 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.400 Williams hurt. He's starting probably prove to the rest of 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.719 the world that he should be a starter. JDub come in, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.640 he go to the bitch. It keeps it moving. You 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.880 don't find that no where. And I like, I played 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.240 on the team with James and KD and r Us 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.960 and Surge. The biggest downfall of that team was the 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.120 sacrifice important. So it's just like when I thought, I 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.400 just like a this kind of drys like, Nah, it's 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:10.320 kind of real. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.240 In it's different, you know what I'm saying. Teams that 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.880 win everybody by in everybody on the same thing. You 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.000 said something on ESPN recently, and I agree with you, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:20.840 but I want you to kind of explain it. You said, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.719 Shadua Sanders is the most powerful black man in America 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.520 since since Barack Obama explained that. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.799 I meant it to Steve Stack. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.680 I meant that shit with every bone in my body 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.080 because what I started to realize is that when he 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.479 went not the game, not the second game that he 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.760 was announced the start, it was the game before that. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.600 The Raider game. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.320 And so what I realized was, once your doer, this 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.720 the first thing, once your doer Sanders is playing, all 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:59.159 beef stops at that moment. Right, it's the first time 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:05.080 that you actually could go on social media X, Instagram, TikTok. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.839 Threads, what up? Threads? Threads? Right, yeah, absolutely, threads, threads. 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:12.360 I was gonna say it. He beat me to it, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.000 you know what I mean. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.080 So you go on there, right, and it's nothing but 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:23.680 positive vibes. I can't I can't name one guy besides 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.840 Acho that's you on this beef, not mine. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.960 I know, respondsperate right now. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.640 But go ahead, I know you go, I know it. Yeah. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.440 But so it's the first time that I've seen like 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:44.560 where it's like, man, everybody in the black community is 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.800 root for this guy. And when I said it, I 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.120 looked at the comments and it was like, I don't 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.480 ever go in the comments because you go in the comments, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.280 you might catch yourself arguing all day with certain. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:59.760 People, right, I got I don't mind that sometimes. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.560 And so and so it's like you see people that's 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.960 like all races and that's saying I just bought my 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.640 man my seventy three year old grandmother watched the door 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.280 and it's like, not Eve me, a person that didn't 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.400 have that type of effect on anybody. 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.760 And so people don't understand. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.880 It's like people are rooting for a guy that was 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.840 a fifth round pick. It's only one guy that has 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.080 like on that team that's top fifty in Jersey says, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.240 that's your doer, right and so, and he kills you 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.920 in his interviews because he has. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.400 That balance of. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.840 Being arrogant flashy, which I'm cool with because he put 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.920 the work in you know what I mean, if you shine, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.600 put it in their face. But then he also killed 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.880 him with the I want to give all praise to God, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.040 and it hurt they soul because he won't. They want 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.360 him to take the bait. They throw the rod out there. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:51.880 He never do. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.600 He never throws coach under the bus. So when I 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:55.240 think about it, I. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:56.920 Think that coach needs to be thrown off the bus. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.440 But go ahead, I think under the bus. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.520 To Ben five. Yea, but nah, But that's that's what 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.320 I say. I mean, like real talk. You know y'all 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.760 showed up to the game. Yeah, y'all was there, Like 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.559 people showing up, bro, think about it. They just played 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.200 the Cleveland brown The Cleveland Browns just played Who was 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.520 that Tennessee Tennessee Titans. Tennessee Titans I believe was one 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.240 in eight. The Browns was fucking three and eight and 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.240 everybody in their mama was watching that game. If Shadul 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.160 wasn't playing, nobody was watching that shit and it was 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.559 sold out in Cleveland. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.520 You know something too, Shad's doing what we wish our 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.040 president would do, bring people together. I think that's the 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.120 biggest thing he's doing. Like you talk about all races, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.080 everybody's rooting for them. You know what I'm saying, because 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.319 everybody see him not getting a fair shot. You know 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.040 what I'm saying. Why, we don't know. But at the 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.800 end of the day, he's doing something we wish everybody 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.679 were doing. That's bringing people together. I love it. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:54.000 Jack, give give everyone a walk down memory lane of 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.240 how you and perk all each other. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.360 What's your guy's history? Yeah, so real short, we grew up. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.199 Our hometowns are ten minutes from each other and put 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.439 off the Beaumont we're the only two to have our 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.760 high school coaches, the only high school's coach coach in 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.680 Texas to have two guys go out of high. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.480 School and both be NBA champions. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.280 We both came out of high school with the same 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.040 basketball coach and his wife is from my hometown. So 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.200 when he was in high school, my coach asked me 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.240 to come in and mentor him. And he's been like 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.200 a big little brother, you know what I'm saying, for 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.120 the last twenty years. So I'm so proud of him, bro, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:30.960 and I'm just I'm just happy you having all that success. 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.480 You give it, he give me, y'all. A short version 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:39.400 this longer. It's stack pulling up. We was tripping. I 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.520 was in the tenth grade. Stack pulled up to the gym. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.760 Came in and were like this Steve Jackson, like Steve 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.720 Jackson hit like, no Hollywood stuff come in. We only 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.559 had a bench press in a super cat, y'all remember 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.200 the super cat. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.920 Yeah. Thing we thought gave was hospital. It really just 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.160 fucked up our back. Yeah. I just had that surgery 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:00.520 that come in. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.160 He go through the whole workout, man, And ever since 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.800 then we've been tied together like shoelaces. And I just 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.480 remember doing that that championship run with the Spurs. We 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.320 drove down there and man, they was in the heat. Yeah, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.400 we went to the game a few times. We actually 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.480 went to one out here in LA. We went down 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.520 to San Antonio, Man, and it's just been a it's 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.839 been it's been a beautiful thing to watch Steve go 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.840 through his journey because people don't know, like from the 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.240 overseas part. I remember when you had your workout when 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.839 we was in New Jersey. I was at the ABCD camp. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.320 I think Mike Brown worked you out at that time. 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.480 Stack threw up, but he got through it. Next thing 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.040 I know, he was signed. The journey was back on. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.360 It was he had to cut his night short to 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.040 make that morning train with that show on. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:44.720 A lot of drugs. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.040 Yeah, what kind of monster was perking high school? 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:48.320 Stack? 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.640 Oh well, just imagine everybody on the court of six 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.760 five sixty six and half of them can't dribble a shoot, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.280 But you got a seven foot guy, two hundred and 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.240 seventy pounds that could dribble, shoot, do everything. I think 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.200 that that's that's why he was able to go out 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.520 of high school because the things he was doing. See, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.600 people didn't see his game before he got to the NBA. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:08.720 He got to the NBA and did what made him 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.840 a professional. What made him graacrifice? You know what I'm 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.439 saying exactly, He did the things to make his teams better. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.200 But if you would have seen him in high school, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.920 he was playing point guard as the best, the biggest 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.440 person on the court, bringing it up and down in 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.280 the summertime. I tell you, when he got into the league, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.800 he had Kat James, all the guys on this team 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.640 come down to play pick up and my brother was 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.240 still alive there and he dunked on Kat that. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:29.680 To that day. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.800 But yeah, broa, yeah, no, he blocked Kd's dune. He 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.760 blocked K's dumb Yeah. But but around that time, I 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.559 was just excited to see him because it wasn't nobody 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.360 that side doing what he was doing. And then pick 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.160 up you will see what he really could do, you 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:47.560 know what I'm saying. So I was just excited to 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.959 see that. But he had everything in this game. And 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:51.839 when you can put when you can put a lot 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.800 of things and things you want to do on the 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.200 quarter side for the betterment of your team, that says 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:59.040 a lot about you. And it's not easy for me 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.400 to understand that because the same way as a human being. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.200 This is a random thought forgive me, but obviously this 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.640 is a basketball community in basketball threads. If you guys 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.440 ever want to see some real, real basketball outside of 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.800 what you see on TV, go to pick up watch 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.040 pickup basketball, go to UCLA or go to some of 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.559 these gyms in the summertime and see guys. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.040 You're like, oh shit, Like probably. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.640 What Jack is explaining now, how Perk was because when 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.920 you get to the league, there's just a pecan order 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.960 and certain guys that can do certain shit, and if 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.680 you don't conform to what they make you or trying 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:32.679 to turn you into, you're gonna be out the league. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:36.280 But pickupball is a whole nother monster because there's no coaches, 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.760 there's no rules, and you really get to show your game. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.640 So for you real basketball fans in here in the summertime, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.040 check out pick up basketball in LA. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.120 Nothing like it, Perk. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.280 Obviously you were able to go straight to the league 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.120 out of high school. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.400 They've since acts that rule. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.400 What is your thought on possibly bringing it back or 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.559 do you still think the kids need one year out 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.040 of college or excuse me, one year remove from high 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.000 school before they go in the draft. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.160 What is the one year doing? Nothing? 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.679 Like seriously, what I mean, what is the one year doing? 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.760 Like real talk, what is the one year doing? I 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.520 would rather guy be able to get drafted out of 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.040 high school and go to the NBA and sit on 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.360 the bench for a year and learn the ins and 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.080 outs because those guys still have to adjust once they 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.600 get to the NBA. We saw what happened with Cooper 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:28.920 Flag Now he was asked to have a bigger role 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.920 because he stepped into a situation as a number one pick. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.160 The last time we've seen that was what Tim Duncan. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.400 Where you actually because you know Dallas was considered a contender, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.520 they just didn't They wasn't healthy. But it's still taking 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.920 time for him, right, It's still taking time for a 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.400 lot of these guys to learn the game at the 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.760 NBA level. So I'm with it, man, I just don't 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.280 I don't understand it. I don't understand what is the 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.720 one year doing? Like what what You're going to college 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:03.080 for one year to say that they're developing at what? 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.080 And no one can answer that question. No one can 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.040 answer the question why they made the rule right? No 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.280 one still to this day, it gave us any explanation 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.920 on why they decided to take it take. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:17.120 It away in Cuba. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.600 But it's also the same body that allows twenty seven 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.760 and twenty eight year olds to play with seventeen and 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:23.440 eighteen year olds. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.800 And that's what I'm saying, Let's go to war. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:27.720 You can go fight for the country at eighteen, but 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:28.880 you can't take care of your family. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:30.680 That's right, That's what I'm saying. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:35.320 So you you got, you got everything you got overseas 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:40.080 they starting at thirteen fourteen. I mean, I just I 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.360 just don't understand it. I don't understand it, and I 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.360 think they need to go back to it. We see 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.800 what's the kid aj De bounds to what he's doing 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.400 right now. I think the kid Darrin Peterson, he'll be 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:52.480 ready to hoop right now. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.720 Culture thing. Yeah, it's a culture thing. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.080 One of the boozer boys, Kayleb Williams. 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.040 So they can make a jump right now. Yes, I 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.040 wouldn't you be in getting the head starter of it. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.640 You're you were still drafted in a time where they 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:06.560 were rookie duties. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:08.360 Jack got a free pass. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.120 If you guys haven't heard the story of Kenya, Martin 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.560 was his guy, so Jack didn't have to do ship 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.040 for the bnass but you were drafted an O three 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.960 to a team with Paul Pierce, my dog, Ricky Davis, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.760 Vin Baker club shiz Nip. What was your rookie year 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.720 duties like? And tell us a little bit about club 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:24.360 shiz nick. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.800 Y'all want the honest truth, don't fields part of it? 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.480 I mean, man, what do I start? 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.480 I know? I know. 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.280 The first thing that I had that I realized is 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.440 that I before we loved to go on the trip, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.200 that I needed to keep a pack of Newports. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.400 Who's smoking cigare? I can't snitch man? You know what 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.880 I'm saying. I can't sitch man. But I. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.960 Had to keep a pack of Newports and some some 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.280 type of hind the ken of some type of beer 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:03.160 because people see behind the scenes now. But y'all remember 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.240 the game was over in the back in the locker room. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.000 While you wiser it was beer. You was drinking a 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.000 bottle of beer. That's just what it was. So the 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.800 craziest thing though, and it was my second year, is 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:20.439 when we got GP Gary Payton, and man, it was 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.640 so crazy because I was like, hell, yoh man, I'm 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.320 finally done with these fucking rookie duties. I ain't got 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.480 to do this shit no more. And he was like, oh, no, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.239 you're steal the rook. You're rook until you play your 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.080 first NBA game. And I was like, I didn't know that, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:38.440 and he was like, you're mine. So he had two rooms. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.320 He had a few rules. The first rule was, you know, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.560 GP he always wore those damn dicky Dicky suits. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.200 He's talking about Gary Payton. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.840 He always he wore those dicky suits. He had the gray, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.080 he had the blue, he had the black, he had 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.520 the white. He had all that shit, and well, I 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.640 had to iron it. I had to iron it. So 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.359 he would as we walking on the plane, he would 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.679 hand me his bag and was like, yeah, you know, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.760 handle your business. He had literally called down to the 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.280 front desk where I couldn't send it to the cleaner. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.080 So he made me actually iron it, so I had 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.480 to put creases in there. But the craziest, the craziest 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.520 thing he done. So we land in Milwaukee. We land 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.560 in Milwaukee. I think I told you this story. I 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.000 don't know. I probably didn't. We land in Milwaukee. It's 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.760 like two o'clock in the morning. We just got through playing. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.320 I believe maybe it was in Chicago. Or one of 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:43.720 them cities. And GP was like, uh, he used to 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.600 call me ugly. I don't know why I ugly. He 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.439 called you everybody ugly, but he called me that ugly. 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:50.960 I'm like, man, what's up? 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:52.920 Man? Man, I need a bottle of Patron. 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.720 Now I'm nineteen, so I'm like, man, what the fuck 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.639 I'm gonna get a bottle of patron at at two 0:18:57.720 --> 0:18:59.920 o'clock in the morn morning, right, But he did. 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.040 It's serious. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.800 So I'm like, I go to the club, found the 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:09.480 club in Milwaukee a boy that was open, and they're 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.640 giving me problems because it's twenty one to get in, right, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.160 So I'm nineteen, so now I gotta pay. I gotta 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.840 pay the bounce of like five hundred dollars to. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.040 Let me in. Then I got to ask him. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.520 Now I'm on my rookie deal, so everything't matter to 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.880 me at this point. I'm counting all my per diem 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.040