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Speaker 1: But when you keep a light on from UFOs two

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Speaker 1: ghosts and government cover ups, histories where work with unexplained events,

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben. As always, we

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Speaker 1: most importantly, ladies and gentlemen, you are here and that

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Speaker 1: today we talked briefly on off air. There's only one

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Speaker 1: more esoteric, abstract one might even say, paranormal things it involved.

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Speaker 1: But first a word from our sponsor, and we are back.

427
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Speaker 1: So we talked about the science. We talked about some

428
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Speaker 1: personal revelations, some experiential things about nightmares. Let's talk about

429
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis itself. I pulled up some numbers. I'm gonna

430
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Speaker 1: walk you guys through, uh so, just to get a

431
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: sense of the magnitude you will hear. You'll hear estimates

432
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: saying anywhere from two to eight percent of the population

433
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Speaker 1: experiences sleep paralysis. So if we just took the number

434
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Speaker 1: six percent, right, which is when I saw in uh

435
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: in a couple of different studies out of Stanford, than

436
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: what we see is that as of fifteen, if there

437
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: are more than seven point three billion people on the planet,

438
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: and that means that even with the lower estimate, nearly

439
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: like four hundred forty something million people experienced sleep paralysis.

440
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: It's larger than the population of the US. It really

441
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Speaker 1: makes you understand why when Art Bell made that show,

442
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: they got so many images of people sending in like, Hey,

443
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: this is what it looks like and what it feels like. Yeah,

444
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: what kind of images of what? What the what they

445
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: had experienced as shadow people or entities? What I thought, Yeah,

446
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: they drew these these were they weren't supposed to. I

447
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: think there were probably a few alleged photographs. But but

448
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: with that point, with over four hundred million people experiencing

449
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: things that they explain in in the such a similar way,

450
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: what what gives? You know? And the guy who made

451
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: the documentary um was Rodney Asher. He said that that

452
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: was one of the more interesting questions to him, not

453
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily the forefront of the science behind this, but

454
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: why it was so similar, you know, I mean, and

455
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: admittedly the science is pretty murky at this point. Yeah,

456
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: there are questions that remain unanswered. You know, there's every

457
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: time on this show or other shows, every time someone

458
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: at house stuff work starts to tangle with the dream world,

459
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: we quickly learned that most people say it's probably this

460
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: or maybe that, but I don't know. Well, yeah, and

461
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: in the the underlying belief structure of a culture. Honestly,

462
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: that is the main way to explain something like this

463
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: a lot of time, and it's something occurred to me. Um,

464
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: I know this is this is probably pretty intensive think

465
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Speaker 1: about for you especially, But crib death, like you know,

466
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Speaker 1: did you ever read that Chuck Plinic book Lullaby. It

467
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: was all about like this African spirit that causes the

468
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: infants to pass away in their cribs, And I just

469
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: wonder if there's any connection between this idea sleep paralysis

470
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: and demons or whatever, and if that's like an infant's

471
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: version of experiencing that, because think about it, I mean,

472
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: like if if if it's that bad for an adult,

473
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: can you imagine if something like that happened to an infant?

474
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Speaker 1: You know, that's that's an interesting proposition because there are

475
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Speaker 1: two myths that tied directly to concepts of infant mortality

476
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Speaker 1: that I think of just when you say that, And

477
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Speaker 1: the first is um. The first is the black cat

478
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: myth that the cat would attack a child, right, we

479
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: know that one, and that's the one where a cat

480
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Speaker 1: for some reason gets on top of a baby in

481
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Speaker 1: a crib and sucks its breath out right and or

482
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: in reality sits on its face and probably just suffocates

483
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: it with its But which could which could happen? Is

484
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: this took a dark turn, my friends? The other one

485
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Speaker 1: would be, of course, those old stories of change lanes.

486
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: That was a way too, That was a way for

487
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: people to interpret that kind of situation, you know, like

488
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: they advocate it's healthy, then they have a kid who's not.

489
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Then it must have been some sort of intervention by

490
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: unnatural forces. So this brings us to the bigger one

491
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Speaker 1: of the bigger questions. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait

492
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Speaker 1: wait wait, Before we get to that, guys, I gotta

493
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Speaker 1: say I think in our notes here it says there's

494
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Speaker 1: a part where I wanted to complain about the video script.

495
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Speaker 1: It's tough time writing this one, tough time writing this. Well,

496
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: if you if you check out the video listeners, go

497
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: go easy on it. The editing will as always be

498
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: fantastic and the production will be great. But uh, if

499
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: at some points there you go, I don't know, it's

500
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: kind of weak, then it's my fault, not that their knows.

501
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: That's soon to be clear. I think you're a little

502
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: too hard on yourself. This is an interesting topic, though,

503
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: it's a little out of the norm, you know, for

504
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: the show. So I applaud you for attacking it with

505
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: such a plum. We had a lot of people get

506
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: upset that we covered slender Man, even when we said

507
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: slender Man it's not real and was invented in two

508
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. Yeah, they were mad because we were

509
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: listening to our younger viewers. And that's the that's I

510
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: would say the comment that we get the most. But

511
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to viewers. Man, why don't you do

512
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: something about doge? About what a dog? I don't. Well,

513
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing, like I, I don't know the age

514
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: of someone who writes to us unless they tell us exactly.

515
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: And uh and we we try to cover as much

516
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: as we can. We have a backlog. Uh and and

517
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: not every not everything is going to be successful. But

518
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Speaker 1: I bring up slender Man because we are We've been

519
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: exploring mythology in this weird way and folklore. And that

520
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: brings me to like the biggest question that I have

521
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: to ask you guys, do you think these kind of

522
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: things are real? Or that there's some way to encounter

523
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: another entity through your brain? It gets It takes me

524
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: back to the pineal gland. That's what I think about

525
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: because I believe melo melotonin is released from the pineal gland.

526
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: I believe that's correct. I'm not a scientist. That's what

527
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Speaker 1: I found in my notes. Uh, I don't know. Somebody,

528
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: Emory shoot me a note anyway. Yeah, you're I mean,

529
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: you're right. So that the idea that there is an

530
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Speaker 1: idea that the pineal gland seated in the center of

531
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Speaker 1: your brain is somehow this gateway to other dimensions or

532
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: the spirit, realm, or whatever you want to call it. Um,

533
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: and perhaps this is a way that we could get

534
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: into communication with other things, if they exist. I tend

535
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: not to believe that that is the truth. But I

536
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: don't think there's anybody currently trying to write, I don't know,

537
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: write a thesis paper. Well. I think at the end

538
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: of the day, we're all working with the same equipment,

539
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, and so when certain wires get crossed and things,

540
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: you know, chemicals are out of balance, that it can

541
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: produce similar results. I mean, look at people describing hallucinogenic experiences,

542
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: for example, taking you know, psychedelics. Shout out to Graham

543
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Hancock and the machine elves, do you guys that's a

544
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: that's a no. I just mean, I mean, I don't

545
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: have any specifics right off the bad, but I mean,

546
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: and just in reading people, you know, descriptions of their

547
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: their trips or whatever, there are a lot of similarities.

548
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that are experienced very similarly.

549
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: So I just wonder if the fact that many people

550
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: report similar sleep paralysis, um, you know, apparitions appearing to

551
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: them Like I said, we're working with the same equipment.

552
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: If the wires are crossed in a similar way, would

553
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: it produce similar results? Uh? Yeah, you know that's that's

554
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: interesting because we can make I mean, human experimentation is

555
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: still pretty limited in this day and age, but we

556
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: could do some interesting things if ethics weren't involved. I'm

557
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: just saying, but no, I'm just it just has to say.

558
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: It's just just here, guys, I'm not gonna do it.

559
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do uh surgery on people's beneal glands,

560
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: you guys, and hallucinogens. That's crazy. It's interesting though, I'm

561
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: just saying it's interesting. There's a lot to learn. Yeah, sure,

562
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm just really fast. I wanted to come up with

563
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: some of the ideas of what people who do experience

564
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: this have attempted to do to make it stop. And

565
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things when if you consulted,

566
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: let's say, a therapist or a psychologist, and you you say, hey,

567
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm experience it, seing this at night, I'm I'm feeling

568
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: paralyzed and I see shadow people. I know that sounds crazy.

569
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: What can I do? Um, You're gonna be told, well,

570
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: we need you to eat a little more healthily. We

571
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: need you to get more sleep, not use you know,

572
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: your cell phone or other electronic devices right before you

573
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: go to bed. All these different things of life, lifestyle changes,

574
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: and going back to even two thousand two. In that

575
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Entity documentary, Uh, people who experience this express how difficult

576
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: it is to hear that because a lot of times

577
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't really help that much. Perhaps it will alleviate

578
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: the symptoms slightly, but um, it's almost it feels like

579
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: a dismissal at least is what it seems from these

580
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: people who are interviewed like it's not real. Look chill

581
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: out well and are these people just cool as cucumbers

582
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: in their day to day lives or do they struggle

583
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: with some serious anxiety that I would say at least

584
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Speaker 1: These are the two main documentaries I watched, The Nightmare

585
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: and the Entity. It seems it seems to fluctuate. So

586
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: there was one guy who says he experiences it almost

587
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: every night. He's unable to It's affected him where he

588
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: can't keep down a regular job, he can't really do

589
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: much of anything. His social world is just all messed

590
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: up because at night he's just terrified. So you would

591
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: almost argue that his daily anxiety is as a result

592
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: of this these night terrors, right, right, right. I just

593
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: wonder if folks with intense anxiety issues that that affect

594
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: them every day are more prone to having these nighttime

595
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: and anxiety experiences, or it could be real. It's a possibility, honestly,

596
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: it is. It's well, that's that's the thing. If we're

597
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 1: talking just in terms of rhetoric and technicalities, and there's

598
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: always the out where we can say, well, perhaps there's

599
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: just since we don't know if these things were to exist,

600
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: we don't know what substance they would be formed of.

601
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: We don't have a way to measure whatever constitutes them, right,

602
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: So it is possible that we just don't have the technology.

603
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: But then it's also probable that it's not necessarily a haunting.

604
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I love I love horror movies, you guys, and I

605
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: love watching, uh, watching movies with a lot of heavily

606
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: implied mythology. I will say, I myself have never experience

607
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis in the way that I hear it depicted

608
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: in these sorts of things. You know, Um, I guess

609
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 1: I should be fortunate in that regard. But when when

610
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: we talked about the nature of reality. We're talking about

611
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: whether you find your experiences true. Is that the ultimate

612
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: thing you can trust? Or do you trust what other

613
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: people tell you about their experiences or experiences of humanity

614
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: at large, you know what I mean? Or can you

615
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: even trust what you see in here sometimes because we

616
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: know that your tricks on you. One of the strangest

617
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: episodes we did, which is also a difficult one, was

618
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Speaker 1: about the flat earth theory, and I think that's the

619
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Speaker 1: one where it ends. And there's you know, there's clearly guys, Okay,

620
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: the Earth is not a perfect sphere, but it is

621
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Speaker 1: a sphere. It's not a disc, it's not a disk yet,

622
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a group of people, the vast

623
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Speaker 1: majority are people who are sort of trolling, and they

624
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: call themselves a flat Earth society. But their belief is,

625
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: or the stick is that with the right rhetorical tools,

626
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: you can argue anything. And I get that. I mean,

627
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm not excited about it, but that's the real thing.

628
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: I like the idea. And then there are there are

629
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Speaker 1: very few people who do actually believe that the Earth

630
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: is flat. And I was reading you know, he's doing

631
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: the research on this, and one person said, oh, yeah,

632
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: astronauts have been there. How much do you trust? Asked her,

633
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Speaker 1: do you know any astronauts? I think we Yeah, that

634
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: was what we used that, Yeah, because I didn't know

635
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Speaker 1: what else. Like. It was just such a great question,

636
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Speaker 1: you know, because I don't know any, asked heronaut Right,

637
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Speaker 1: if it's completely true, but at the same time, it's

638
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: not plausible. So with with that mind, we haven't dug

639
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: all the way into altering reality via Hallucino Jensen. I

640
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: think that's a very good conversation for us to have.

641
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: And I want to know if listeners. We've talked a

642
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: little bit about the science, right, but I want to

643
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: know if you out there listening have had an experience

644
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: like this that you believe cannot be explained by some

645
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: sort of wonky hiccup in your sleep side iCal or

646
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: or another mundane thing the chemical and balance of some sort. Yeah,

647
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: And if you have had that, what is your explanation

648
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: for what it is? Um? I really want to know

649
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: that some of the hypotheses that were put through in

650
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: the Nightmare where there's one of the people said they

651
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: think perhaps this might be some sort of visitation from beings,

652
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: from another dimension. Another person said, well, what if people

653
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: who are experiencing this are somehow getting the raw data

654
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: from the from the world, from this reality or whatever

655
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: it is that most people can't process, and they can't

656
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: process the full raw data of what they're seeing. That

657
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: is the by the way, that last one is the

658
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: guy who can't hold down a job. Um, well, that's

659
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: the kind of thing people talk about with the hallucinations,

660
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, is is this sense of a flood of

661
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: data and information that you can't perceive when you're not

662
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: in that state. Yeah, there's too much. By the way,

663
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I can we talk about one specific thing that happened

664
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: in the Nightmare documentary one Okay, it was that guy.

665
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: He said that he was asleep in his bed. But

666
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: this is a spoiler. Um, if you want to watch

667
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: the documentary, and I highly recommend that you do. He

668
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 1: says he was sleeping in his bed and there were

669
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: two females sleeping in the bed with him. He was

670
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: on one side and then two girls. He says that

671
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: he got the sleep paralysis or it affected him and

672
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: he couldn't move. He saw a huge, eight foot black

673
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: figure standing over him, had red eyes and was speaking

674
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: to him. And saying things like you don't know me,

675
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: but I know you, but you know who I am.

676
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: Like really strange, cryptic, but and almost contradictory statements, And

677
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: he was terrified he couldn't move. Then all of a sudden,

678
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: the girl next to him shot up out of bed, screaming.

679
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: At least according to this guy, this is his story

680
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: and she just I guess it woke him up and

681
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: knocked him out of it. What she said she saw

682
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: was a black cat sitting on her chest with red eyes,

683
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: speaking in some other language to him, while at the

684
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: same time he believes he's seeing this giant eight foot

685
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: character talking to him. I don't know that to me

686
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: is fascinating. The idea that two people could experience something

687
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: very strange but so similar at the same time. Yeah,

688
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear stories about that. There's there's another

689
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: thing I want to posit there. Wait, Ben, I'm sorry,

690
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean to interrupt you, but should we keep

691
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: that in? I feel like maybe I was just telling

692
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: too much of the movie with the two With the two, Yeah,

693
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: the story is an antegoque front a film. No, we

694
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: should totally keep that. I mean, I don't know it's interesting,

695
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: but it just sounds like some tweaker stuff to me

696
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. What's he doing in bed with the

697
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 1: two chicks in the first place, And this is the

698
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: guy that cantled down the job. Sorry, I do agree

699
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: with Noel here. I feel like you're right, man. There's

700
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: some there's some missing plot points, all right. Look, I'll

701
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: give you that. But it makes for a good story.

702
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: It makes for a good story, all right. So there

703
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: is you know, there's this strange debate about how many

704
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: senses we have. We have so many other strange senses

705
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: that don't quite get the don't quite get the superstar

706
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: status of the of the main five, right like the

707
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: main cast. So I'd like to do an exercise. Ladies

708
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: and gentlemen listening to the podcast, we'd like to do

709
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: an exercise with you. Now, if you're in a safe place,

710
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: we want you to turn out the lights. Go to

711
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: the darkest place you can find physically, non emotionally. Don't

712
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: get weird with it. And okay, are you there? All right?

713
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: Close your eyes and take your right hand with your

714
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: eyes closed, so with it straight out at your side,

715
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: as though you're trying to lean to a wall on

716
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: your right and then when your palm up, move your

717
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: hand slowly in front of where your field of vision

718
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: would be if your eyes are open. You're in the dark.

719
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: You have your eyes closed, but according to several different

720
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: studiest of you will be able to somehow see your

721
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: hand or you will think that you see your hand

722
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: because your body has a sense of its own um

723
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: where it exists in space. Right, not necessarily everybody, but

724
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: basically daredevil. But the study says people basically have daredevil

725
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: esque powers. And this is interesting to mean because it

726
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: then means that you could have I don't know about you, guys,

727
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: but I've had this slippery moment where I feel like

728
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: my whole body has slipped away, where I think, Okay,

729
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm it's it's time to get working on the show

730
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Matt Nolan, I are meeting up, so let me get

731
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: up and then brushing my teeth and play omon pants

732
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: and then I meet and some cereal or something. I'm kidding,

733
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: I don't have my life together enough to handle breakfast

734
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and uh. And then I realized that I've been in

735
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: bed the entire time. I'm just laying there, and I

736
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: started thinking about what I had to do, and slowly

737
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: started slipping back into dreaming about it. Yeah, I've done

738
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: that before when I snooze, hit the snooze button and

739
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: when I shouldn't have. My dreams aren't that organized? Oh man,

740
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: if any of my dreams will work appropriate, I would

741
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: I would tell tell the real one really fast. Before

742
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: we get out of here, guys, I just want to say,

743
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: there there's a ton of research you can do on

744
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: your own about this stuff. There are. They're all kinds

745
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: of books. One of my favorite ones about this idea

746
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: of hallucinating is called Hallucinations by All of our Sex

747
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: Fascinating book. Diana has a whole host of his books, Um,

748
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: just dealing with what happens when weird things happen in

749
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: the brain. Uh, really great stuff. Another one was, Oh,

750
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: it's actually called sleep paralysis by Shelley Adler, who's uh

751
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: someone that Diana knew as well. Sorry, it's my wife.

752
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: Everybody smart, she's really smart. I think that's really that's

753
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: really I just want to say. They're all kinds of books,

754
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: they're all kinds of places online. If you were suffering

755
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: from this that that can at least try to help

756
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: you out in their forms. You can go to and

757
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: discuss with other people. It's a serious thing, and I

758
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: would yeah, I would like to say for my part,

759
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: I am not diminishing this experience. I I believe that

760
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: people can have all kinds of experiences and just because

761
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: we don't share them does not make them anymore or

762
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: less real. So if this is happening for you and

763
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: that's something that you're struggling with, let us know. We're

764
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: interested in hearing about it. And I just hope at

765
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: no point during this episode that I come off as

766
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: being flippant about it, right, especially if this is the

767
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: verdict is so far the scientific consensus, I should say,

768
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: is that this is not something that will physically harm you. However,

769
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: this can be emotionally traumatizing. And there are people who

770
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: have reported being physically harmed by what they believe psychic

771
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: possibly or but they believe that they have been um,

772
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, assaulted like punched or scratched. And and guys,

773
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: we've all drank too much in our twenties and younger listeners, Yeah,

774
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: some adventures ahead of your time, so you know, people,

775
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: My point is people have woken up with how did

776
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: that get there? Kind of bruise before you know what

777
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, And just because we don't know where something

778
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: came from doesn't mean that it automatically implies a certain

779
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: like a certain outcome or a certain cause. Rather sure,

780
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: So I'm glad we got that disclaimer out there, guys,

781
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: because this is a serious problem. As Matt said, you

782
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: can go to forums to uh talk with other people

783
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: who have experienced this, and many people will have different

784
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: explanations for the causes. But I'm sure there are different

785
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: versions of the experience. We're kind of talking about a

786
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: specific one that was portrayed very chillingly in this film Nightmare.

787
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: But you have to imagine as many people as are

788
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: out there that have these experiences, there have to be

789
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: lots of differentiations there. It's always always slightly different, and

790
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: it's usually most of the time just this dark being

791
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: or beings or this sensation of what yes, but and

792
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of why I at the top of

793
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: the podcast, just to circle back, I mentioned my you know,

794
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: recurring dream or nightmare. See. The thing is, at this age,

795
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: I almost don't even think about things as nightmares anymore

796
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: because they don't scare me. It's just a sense that

797
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm left with that is it can be a positive thing.

798
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: Like I said, feeling my size and feeling and the

799
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: insignificance of you know, me in relation to the machinations

800
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: of the universe and larger beings and things like that.

801
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, to me, the thing that I'm experiencing

802
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: is as much an apparition as one of these shadow people.

803
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's it's just kind of like it

804
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: represents something. At least that's the way I interpret it. It

805
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: It represents whether whether it's a lack of something, a

806
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, lack of confidence or you know, some sort

807
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: of thing that is difficult to deal with. That's kind

808
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: of how you know, I look at it. You know,

809
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: that was well said. I I think that's I think

810
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: that's an even handed, fair way to look at it.

811
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Speaker 1: And we would like to hear what you think, so

812
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: right to us, right to us directly or find us

813
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: on the internet, and just to show you that we

814
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: actually do read list or mail. Do you guys want

815
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: to do something? Absolutely, I've got one right here. This

816
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: mail comes to us from Matt. Matt is very generous

817
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: with his compliments. He uh says he's listening to the

818
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: Halloween Special podcast. He wanted to share a somewhat similar

819
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: experience he had last year. I'll be, Oh excellent, I'll

820
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: be His story doesn't involve ghosts or anything bad happening,

821
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Speaker 1: So here it is. Um. Let's see. At this point

822
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Speaker 1: in time, I've been running a house with my wife

823
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Speaker 1: in central Pennsylvania for going on three years. The house

824
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: was in a quiet community and we felt a sense

825
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: of security I imagine anyone living in the suburbs normally feels.

826
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Speaker 1: One week, in the middle of the summer, while I

827
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: was away on business, our central air went out. My

828
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: wife called the landlord to have it fixed, as it

829
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: gets pretty toasty in Pennsylvania during the summer months. The

830
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: landlord had the HVAC guy called my wife and asked

831
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Speaker 1: when she would be home. My wife responded that she

832
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't be home until around six pm. The HVAC guy

833
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: said he had a local job in the area but

834
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: didn't know if he could hang around that long. He

835
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: told my wife he'd see if he could troubleshoot the

836
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: problem from outside, and told my wife to call him

837
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: if it had been a success. So my wife got

838
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: off work and went home to find a work van

839
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: outside our house, but the HVAC guy was nowhere to

840
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: be seen. She walked to the front door of our

841
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: house to find that the door had been unlocked. She

842
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: opened the door to find the HVAC guy standing in

843
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: our living room. Obviously startled, she asked the man how

844
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: he got inside. He replied, oh, well, a lot of

845
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: landlords keeps spare keys on top of the electric meters

846
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: for maintenance people. I looked and found a key to

847
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: your house sitting there. Sorry to startle you, it goes

848
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: without saying. My wife felt a mixture of terror and

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Speaker 1: that we had a spare key outside our home for

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Speaker 1: wife told me this, I immediately called the landlord and

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Speaker 1: asked for our locks to be changed, as it is

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Speaker 1: entirely possible another key could exist without our knowledge. We

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Speaker 1: live in the same house to this day, but it

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Speaker 1: still freaks me out knowing how vulnerable we were. A

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Speaker 1: word of advice to anyone running a house, check with

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Speaker 1: your landlord to see if they have a spare key

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Speaker 1: staffed around the property. Anyway, that was my experience with

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Speaker 1: finding maintenance people creepily waiting inside my home. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for producing a great show and I look forward to

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Speaker 1: future episodes. I think that hits on the theme of

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Speaker 1: the of the episode. I mean just this. You know

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Speaker 1: you've heard the expression safe as houses, right, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: apply anymore, you know, it just doesn't. But the thing

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Speaker 1: is is that we feel safe in our home just naturally.

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Speaker 1: You want to, at least because it's it's it's your

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Speaker 1: You've got your walled in, it's like your fortress. But

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Speaker 1: there are so many things that we take for granted,

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Speaker 1: like a maintenance person, like a spare key, like having

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Speaker 1: a landlord that is in control of our locks and

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Speaker 1: has extra keys that could be hanging around without our knowledge.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, like I said in the episode, I

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Speaker 1: don't want people to be paranoid and live in fear of,

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Speaker 1: you know, being invaded or something like that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: these things are an issue. You have to be aware

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Speaker 1: of your surroundings. So thank you Matt for writing in again,

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Speaker 1: for being very kind, and for sharing a pretty disturbing

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Speaker 1: real life version of you know, the kind of the

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Speaker 1: story that we read, which may have just been a story.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, but that's a real world example. He Likeikes.

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Speaker 1: We have one more listener mail before we head out today,

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Speaker 1: and that is from our friend Mike in and Guys.

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Speaker 1: Mike was writing in about our Highway of Tears episode, says, hey,

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Speaker 1: I recently found your podcasts and been spending hours a

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Speaker 1: day catching up. I'm a truck driver, so there's been

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Speaker 1: many miles that you've kept me company. Keep up the

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Speaker 1: great work and thanks for the thought provoking topics. As

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Speaker 1: a side note on your podcast, Highway of Tears and

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Speaker 1: the one on serial killers, you talked about truckers being

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Speaker 1: serial killers, just know that most of us are hard

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Speaker 1: working family guys and gals who just wanted to deliver

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Speaker 1: our goods and get home safely to our families. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I think that was I think that's a good point

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Speaker 1: because we didn't we sort of said how rare serial

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Speaker 1: killers are, but I think we should establish because we

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Speaker 1: do have a lot of truckers listening to the show

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Speaker 1: as well, we should establish the trucks are good people.

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Speaker 1: You know, even if they weren't listening to our show,

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Speaker 1: they would still be awesome people because they get us things.

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Speaker 1: I mean That's the only way things happen to get

903
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Speaker 1: other places was because truckers exist, right, cargo ships and

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Speaker 1: trucks and rail Uh. Truckers don't just drive rakes in

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Speaker 1: a very real way, they drive the economy. Yeah, my

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Speaker 1: buddy Charlie who just moved back to upstate New York,

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Speaker 1: his dad and a couple other guys that they would

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Speaker 1: get around and talk about you know, what would happen

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Speaker 1: if the trucker associations all decided to go on strike

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Speaker 1: and the people in the docks all decided to go

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Speaker 1: on strike because you know, of mistreatment or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was just talking about the real world effects of

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Speaker 1: nothing getting shipped anywhere. Take things for granted, Take things

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Speaker 1: for granted. But with that said, Mike, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for checking out the show, and you guess you as

916
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Speaker 1: well listening. Thanks so much. We hope you enjoyed this topic.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear a suggestion from you. Is there's

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Speaker 1: something we should cover in an upcoming episode, video or audio,

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Speaker 1: you can you can let us know. You can let

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Speaker 1: us know, right, there's so many ways you can let

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Speaker 1: us know. We're all over the internet, we're lousy or

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Speaker 1: the internet is lousy with us. Yes, don't don't even

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Speaker 1: search stuff they don't want you to know because it

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Speaker 1: will probably break your computer. There's so many search results.

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Speaker 1: What and that's the end of this classic episode. If

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