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Speaker 1: Welcome to America now, Mr garbutschaf tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: Either you're with us or you were with the terrorists.

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Speaker 1: If you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan.

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Speaker 1: If you're satisfied with Trump is not the president of

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Speaker 1: the United States, take it to a bank. Together. We

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Speaker 1: will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's what

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Speaker 1: you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton with America

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Speaker 1: now joined the conversation called Buck toll free at eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine

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Speaker 1: hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: The great witch hunt is on my friends. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: a buck Sexton with America. Now, Buck is here with you.

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Speaker 1: We're just speaking third person, but that's me. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: happy with this situation now that there is a special counsel,

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Speaker 1: which is special prosecutor. People use the terms pretty interchangeably.

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Speaker 1: Special counsel has been appointed. UM. I wrote about this

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Speaker 1: on the Federalist dot com earlier today. I think this

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Speaker 1: this White House, who gets just jammed up in a

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Speaker 1: process crime, the Scooter Libby treatment. If you will, um

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Speaker 1: Potus President United States? Pardon me? Should Potus please? It's

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Speaker 1: a second second microaggression. Buck. Maybe maybe he drinks wine coolers.

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Speaker 1: going because we we are in we are a we're

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Speaker 1: id a lot ideologically divided still between the pro Trump

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Speaker 1: and never Trump, whether they're open about that or not.

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Speaker 1: But there was still a very very real, very serious,

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Speaker 1: never Trump faction. Um, we are ideologically divided as conservatives,

433
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Speaker 1: and we do not have the same unshakable edifice of

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Speaker 1: conservative media and Fox News as we as we used

435
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Speaker 1: to have. I'm not passing judgment or or either defending

436
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: or um attacking when it comes to O'Reilly in the lawsuits.

437
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, and and frankly, I don't really care.

438
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: It's not something that I know about, nor do I

439
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: get um any joy watching somebody go through that process,

440
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: regardless of innocence or guilt. I mean I have a

441
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: soft spot everybody. This is what comes out whenever we

442
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: talk about social and I mean it's part not social justice.

443
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I make fun of social justice people, but um you

444
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: know prison sentence saying and uh you know I I

445
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I always aim for mercy and leniency in all things

446
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: when possible. UM, So I try to give all some

447
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: people to benefit of the doubt, but without with O'Reilly.

448
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: There was a part of me before I even got

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Speaker 1: into media, but certainly since I've been immediate, it's like,

450
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: at least that guy is untouchable, and same thing with Ales,

451
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: and now he's passed away after he was pushed out

452
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: at Fox but at least at least they couldn't take

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Speaker 1: those guys down. At least they couldn't take down Ales.

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00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: They couldn't take down O'Riley. Um, they haven't, and you know,

455
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: hopefully God blessed will never be able to take down Rush.

456
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: They certainly have tried. But for a young guy in

457
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: this business and who also cares about this business, I

458
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: think conservative media matters. I think conservative media is important

459
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: to have the perspective. I think that half the country's

460
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: point of view should be reflected in news, in commentary,

461
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: and much more so in pop culture too, although that's

462
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: we're in the nascent phase of trying to trying to

463
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Speaker 1: change that. Um speaking now, by the way, those of

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Speaker 1: you who are just joining about Roger Ales passing away today,

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Speaker 1: a lot of other radio hosts and TV hosts and

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Speaker 1: writers can go on at length about Roger, the best

467
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Speaker 1: of Roger, the worst of Roger. I didn't know him,

468
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Speaker 1: So I'm just speaking about what this means in in

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Speaker 1: media right now. And you had these uh, these juggernauts,

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Speaker 1: these unstoppable forces at Fox that had all of the

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Speaker 1: leftist media gathered together against them, and yet they not

472
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Speaker 1: just stayed, you know, it stayed in the fight, but

473
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Speaker 1: we're winning. That Fox was able to beat the opposition

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Speaker 1: for as many years as it did, I think is

475
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Speaker 1: a real, a real testament to the to the model,

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Speaker 1: certainly to the business model, and also to the need

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Speaker 1: to serve that audience. You know, that's I view. I

478
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Speaker 1: am in a service position. People say you're creative. I said,

479
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not really creative. I'm in a service job. I

480
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: try to serve the audience that listens to this show

481
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Speaker 1: by bringing them the best information, in the deepest insights,

482
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: and also some joy, some fun, you know, to relax,

483
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: to know that we're hanging out together, We're spending time

484
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Speaker 1: together now, and you don't have to worry about Lumberg

485
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: with the TPS reports. Uh, you can just chill with me,

486
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: or or if you do have to worry about that,

487
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: at least put an earpiece in so you can't see it.

488
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: If you'ren't stuck in a cubicle at in a tech

489
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Speaker 1: but ales passing after being pushed out. And then also

490
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Speaker 1: O'Reilly um getting booted from Fox. I don't know what

491
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Speaker 1: the future of conservative media is right now. There are

492
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Speaker 1: certainly some other outlets that are upstarts that are that

493
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Speaker 1: are growing. You know, they're they're small right now, but

494
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Speaker 1: they may have pretty serious long term goals and plans.

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Speaker 1: I think some of them do. UM. I think there

496
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: are some people who This is one thing about those

497
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Speaker 1: in the news business is a little bit of behind

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Speaker 1: the curtain view of things. There are so many columnists

499
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Speaker 1: who think they're good on TV, and so many TV

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Speaker 1: people who think they're good on radio, and a fair

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Speaker 1: amount of radio people who think they're good at the

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00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: other two and they're all wrong. Um. These are different

503
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Speaker 1: skill sets. Writing is different from being a good television host,

504
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: and being a good television host is miles away from

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Speaker 1: me good radios. I will say that I think that, UM,

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Speaker 1: I think that radio is a is a very transferable

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Speaker 1: skill two TV, although you have to change some of

508
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Speaker 1: your rhythms, right because I'm used to being able to

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Speaker 1: talk to you for uh twelve fifteen minutes at a time,

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Speaker 1: NonStop with nobody else. Most of the time. On TV,

511
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Speaker 1: you're lucky if you get thirty seconds before you're interrupted

512
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Speaker 1: you have to go a new commercial. So it's very

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Speaker 1: the The self editing processes is different. But you know,

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Speaker 1: just because you're good behind the mike when no one

515
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Speaker 1: sees doesn't mean that you should be on TV. Some

516
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Speaker 1: people don't belong on TV. They're just not good TV hosts.

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Speaker 1: And some people are not good writers even though they're

518
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Speaker 1: excellent communicators. So these are, UM, these are interesting times

519
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Speaker 1: because I think there's a bit of a scramble. I

520
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: think those who are Republicans and want a conservative media

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00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: that is big time that's not just all worthy, but

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Speaker 1: early stage startups that are um fighting over I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: say fighting over, but that are working towards building more

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Speaker 1: substantial audiences over time. UM. I have my concerns. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Fox News didn't exist for a long time, and with

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Speaker 1: without O'Reilly, I don't know what it's really like over

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Speaker 1: there without a L S and Oiley and and Shine

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Speaker 1: for that matter, whom I did know a bit and

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Speaker 1: and obviously he's um probably gonna get involved in another

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Speaker 1: media projects soon, I would. I would imagine there are

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Speaker 1: some other efforts out there. But I think right now

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Speaker 1: the left is in a stage of self congratulation with

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Speaker 1: all of this. I think they believe that um that

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Speaker 1: they are they've put real cracks in in the hull

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Speaker 1: of the conservative media. Battleship. I think they've they've they

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Speaker 1: wounded conservative media. Um well, I'm not saying that it's

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Speaker 1: they orchestrated all this with all the suits, and although

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Speaker 1: I do think that there's a lot going on behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes that's not reported and that people have yet

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Speaker 1: to find out about, this was not accidental. The media

541
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Speaker 1: was certainly I knew that there were I knew the

542
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Speaker 1: Orilly story was coming out in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: weeks weeks before it happened, So that should tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Just based on my sources, this was planted. This was

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Speaker 1: plotted and planned well in advance. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: what this means for the future, but I do think

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00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: that now more than ever, everyone who listens, watches, reads

548
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: needs to understand that they are They are voting with

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00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: their time, They're voting with their money. They are the

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00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: reason that this will either continue on or we could

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00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: go back to an era where you know, you don't

552
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: have the option of turning on your TV and seeing

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00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: a well produced, slick cable news channel that is right

554
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Speaker 1: of center. I mean, I think Fox is going to

555
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: be fine for a while, but I'm just saying down

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Speaker 1: the line, I don't know what the future is of well,

557
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Speaker 1: I don't know the future of of conservative media. Right now,

558
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: the progressive wolves are circling. They think they can make

559
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: it Fox, which has been so dominant for so long.

560
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: They think they can make a a real run for

561
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Speaker 1: the number one spot and some of the prime time slots.

562
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Speaker 1: So we will see. But you've gotta control. If you

563
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: control the information flow, you control everything else. And if

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Speaker 1: the left reaches total information dominance again in the news space,

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Speaker 1: it will be a sad thing for the country. And

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Speaker 1: I I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon, but

567
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: I we've got to be on guard because things right

568
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: now are looking bleak. We'll be right back. Mitchell in

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Speaker 1: Arkansas on Katie and I. Hey, what's up. Hey, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing today? Good sir, Thank you for calling in. Hey. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to you for a while, especially since

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Speaker 1: the Blaze, and ye know, I'd really like to listen

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00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: to him. Glad you got your on the show. But

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Speaker 1: thank you. The thing that it's very easy to get

575
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: pestimistic about it. Thanks going on, But I really have

576
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: to jump back into being the trinal optimists because you know,

577
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: I want some optimism, Give me some optimism, Mitchell. Yeah, well, well,

578
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: you know, Buck, light and truth is in the world

579
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: in dark darkness will not overcome it, you know. So people,

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00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there that see what's

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Speaker 1: going on. We just don't have a voice. We're not

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Speaker 1: the media. But I think with what what the gentleman

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00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: said to the president, very disrespectful to the office of

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Speaker 1: the President. And I would suggest that the go forward

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00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: with shutting down the White House Press room previous and

586
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: take questions from legitimate people and not the press. The

587
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: press is not the people, the press of their own

588
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: their own little uh. I don't know. Entity. I'm just

589
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: sure there's some good people in there, like you know,

590
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: you're handy and and and rush, you know, because you're

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00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: out there getting the word out. But as for the

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00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: general media, lamestree media, I should say, uh, it's they're

593
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: just they are basically standing on the side of destruction

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00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: everything they want to see. They just want to destroy

595
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: or stand up for what's Can we also just say,

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Speaker 1: Mitchell that this notion that the First Amendment would die

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Speaker 1: if we didn't have daily White House press presiding, Let's

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00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: just think about this for a second. So somebody who's

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Speaker 1: not the president, whose job it is to be out

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00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: there representing the president, has to get peppered with questions

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00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: and deal with them on the spot every single day.

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00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: Because why I know, I've odd and somewhat used to this,

603
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: but it used to be also a much less aggressive affair.

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00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: Now it's all about trying to trip up Sean Spicer,

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00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: make him look dumb, ask questions that he can't readily answer,

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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: or that um somehow put him on on the defensive.

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00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: And I understand that for the Democrats that watch Democrat media,

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00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: they just like to see the administration getting a thumb

609
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: in the eye all the time. But it really doesn't

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00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: inform the American people. I mean, he could come out

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00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: there and just either respond to questions that the journalists

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00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: have all sent or just say, look, this is where

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00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: we are in these different policies. Here you go. It

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00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: has really the same effect. Yeah, Obama's administration, they didn't

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00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: have to take that. So this is obviously skewed. So

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00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: why play this game of playing in their backyard when

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Speaker 1: they're swinging barbed barbed wire around and all we have

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Speaker 1: is a threat? I do think Mitchell. I think that

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Speaker 1: the some people in the Trump administration that are advising Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true of Trump himself.

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Speaker 1: I think that with these press briefings and with their

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00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: messaging and that they underestimated the ferocious hatred that the

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Speaker 1: Democrats and the Democrat press corps actually half of them.

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00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: I think they I know they're aware that it is there,

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00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: but I think they underestimated it, like like maybe they

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00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: thought they would get tired of, you know, throwing tomatoes

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00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: at Sewan Spicer at some point. They will never get

628
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: tired of throwing tomatoes at San Spicer. They're too nice.

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: They need to be more more, more strong like Trump

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00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: and not take it. And I like Trump twittering out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sure, you know if if you know, shooting

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00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: off the hip sometimes, you know, you might shoot your

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00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: own self in the foot. You gotta be careful of that.

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00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: But um, I think overall that it's a good idea

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00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: that he goes out to the general populace and gets

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00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: his word out and you can't stop it. And that's

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00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: what is you know great about uh, you know Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and you know and you know, all right, Mitchell in Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate him, and we gotta run to a break,

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Speaker 1: but thank you so much for calling in. Uh we

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Speaker 1: have Michael Goodwin of the New York Post going to

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Speaker 1: join us, talk about Comy, the Special Council, Special Prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: same thing, Uh, basically and uh where all that's going.

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Speaker 1: Plus Paul Ryan saying tax reform still gonna happen and

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Speaker 1: that the Congress is still working hard. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about that, Paul Um. You can when it comes to Congress,

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Speaker 1: you can call me a skeptic that I'm more coming up.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Freedom hud On, an island of

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Speaker 1: liberty where you're the party and it's full of fellow patriots.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton kicks it off. Welcome back, everybody. We've got

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Speaker 1: Michael Goodwin on the line. He is a New York

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Speaker 1: Post columnist and a Fox News contributor. His latest James

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Speaker 1: Comey learned his j Edgar Hoover lessons. Well, Michael, great

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Speaker 1: to have you, sir, Thank you. Buck all right, tell

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Speaker 1: us about these lessons, these j Edgar Hoover lessons that

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Speaker 1: Mr Comey a parent, they learned well. I think it

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Speaker 1: starts with recalling that Hoover served under six presidents and

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Speaker 1: after he died or after they left office. We discovered

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Speaker 1: that five of them had wanted to fire him, but

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Speaker 1: we're afraid to, including JFK. Richard Nixon, UH and Harry

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Speaker 1: Truman said that at one point that Hoover was running

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Speaker 1: a police state, the secret police state, blackmailing, intimidating UM.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Harry Truman didn't fire him. So I think

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Speaker 1: that when you look at call me, the power that

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Speaker 1: he was accumulating before he got fired made him act

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Speaker 1: and feel, I believe, as though he were too big

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Speaker 1: to fire, just like J. Hoover. So I called him

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Speaker 1: j Edgar Comey. But I think that memo seals the deal.

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Speaker 1: That memo is very much the one about Trump, and

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Speaker 1: there may well be others about other people. UH. Is

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Speaker 1: very much like an insurance policy. I mean, if it

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Speaker 1: was such a terrible thing that Trump did, why didn't

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Speaker 1: Comey come out with it at the time. Why did

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Speaker 1: he write a memo and keep it in a file somewhere? Well,

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Speaker 1: we know what Comey said on on May three, UM,

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Speaker 1: when asked if there were any request to shut down

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Speaker 1: the investigation under oath in front of Congress, James Comey

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Speaker 1: said if the Attorney General, senior officials at the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that

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Speaker 1: FBI investigation? In theory? Yes, Has it happened? Not in

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Speaker 1: my experience, because it would be a big deal to

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Speaker 1: tell the FBI to stop doing something that without an

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Speaker 1: appropriate purpose. We're oftentimes they give us opinions that we

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Speaker 1: don't see a case there, and so you ought to

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Speaker 1: stop investing resources in it. But I'm talking about a

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Speaker 1: situation where we were told to stop something for a

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Speaker 1: political reason. That would be a very big deal. It's

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Speaker 1: not happened in my experience. Well, so what's comy memo?

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Speaker 1: All the hubbub about that? Right? Right? Well, people forget that,

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Speaker 1: don't they? Uh Look, but but but I think that

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Speaker 1: he was very much about accumulating power and making himself unaccountable.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why I supported Trump's firing him. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't just the Clinton thing. It was the sense that

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Speaker 1: he was going to do what he was going to do.

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Speaker 1: I found buck a self righteousness there, sanctimonious frankly about

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Speaker 1: the way he was conducting investigations. He would do it

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Speaker 1: his way. And and for your listeners, if they haven't,

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Speaker 1: I highly recommend the Rod Rosenstein letter. It's a memo

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Speaker 1: to Sessions about why Comey deserved to be fired. It's

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Speaker 1: just limited to the Clinton case, but it is compelling

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Speaker 1: unto itself, that you have what he is describing without

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Speaker 1: using the word as a rogue director of the FBI

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Speaker 1: who does things what he wants to do, without regard

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Speaker 1: to traditions, without regard to his place in the pecking order.

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Speaker 1: And then when this is pointed out to him universally,

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Speaker 1: Rosenstein says, call me. Says no, I did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: So how do you have an employee who thinks he

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Speaker 1: could he's unaccountable to his superiors. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: very definition of j Edgar Hoover, and I think Comey

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Speaker 1: was on his way to becoming that person. We're speaking

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Speaker 1: to Michael Goodwin. He's a New York Post columnist and

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Speaker 1: Fox News contributor. This piece out today, Michael from the

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Speaker 1: New York Times that the Trump team knew that General

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Speaker 1: Flynn was under investigation before he came to the White House. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this? Because it seems to

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Speaker 1: me that there were some flags that should have been Uh,

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Speaker 1: there were some red flags that should have picked up

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Speaker 1: on about Flynn and they didn't. But well, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of it. Well, look, it's hard to know,

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Speaker 1: I mean being under investigation. Um, you know, anybody can

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Speaker 1: be under investigation. I mean Trump himself, I'm sure has

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Speaker 1: been under investigatian at various times in his life, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a tax audit or something like that. So I

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Speaker 1: think that the fact that he was under investigation, you

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Speaker 1: don't automatically throw him under the bus, particularly Flynn had

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Speaker 1: been so loyal to them. But but I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing you said that there were other

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Speaker 1: red flags about Michael Flynn, and he did not have

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Speaker 1: a good reputation in the intelligence community, did not and

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the military side of it, but

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Speaker 1: I do know from the intelligence side that he was

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Speaker 1: not regarded he was not regarded as a good manager. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There there were sort of temperamental issues with him, his

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Speaker 1: dealings with others, and Barack Obama I think was pressured

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Speaker 1: to fire him by others in that in the c

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Speaker 1: I A UM intelligence world. So I think that there

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Speaker 1: were a number of reasons why Flynn was would not

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Speaker 1: work out. But I don't fault them for on the

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Speaker 1: basis of an investigation. I think you know, it's it's

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Speaker 1: fair to let it run its course. When he lied

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Speaker 1: to Pence, I think that was a fireball offense about

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Speaker 1: his conversations with the Russian ambassador, whether they discussed sanctions.

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Speaker 1: So I think Trump made the right move at the

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Speaker 1: right time on that. I think he made the right

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Speaker 1: move on Comy, though I don't know where when there

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Speaker 1: would have been a great time to fire Comy. There

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Speaker 1: was no good time from the time that Trump was

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Speaker 1: inaugurated until he actually fired him. There was no perfect moment.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget. Rosenstein had just been confirmed two weeks earlier,

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Speaker 1: Sessions had been confirmed late, and was recused from, uh,

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Speaker 1: the whole Russia things, So there was no easy opening

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Speaker 1: to fire Comy. I think Trump did it as soon

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Speaker 1: as he reasonably could. And this piece from Reuters that

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign had eighteen at least eighteen undisclosed contacts

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Speaker 1: with Russians. Uh. This is including eighteen calls and email.

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Speaker 1: They're saying, first of all, I want to how did

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Speaker 1: they get this information? How does Reuter's come up with this? Uh? Leaks?

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Speaker 1: I think leaks. Look, and let me just say about

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Speaker 1: regarding Comey, I think Comey was a leaker. I you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons he was reluctant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did he ever do a League investigation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just think that he was part of the Washington establishment.

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Speaker 1: I think Comey used leaks to his advantage. Now, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he ever leaked classified material, but I

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Speaker 1: don't for a moment doubt that he was part of

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Speaker 1: playing the Washington game that way. Um, but look, somebody

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Speaker 1: is leaking constantly. Some of this stuff is is just seen.

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Speaker 1: Other stuff is classified and should be kept secret, and

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Speaker 1: it's a crime to leak it. But again, eighteen contacts undisclosed?

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Speaker 1: That sound sinister. How many undisclosed contacts did they have

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Speaker 1: with China? How many with Israel? How many with uh,

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Speaker 1: you know it's Latin American countries. So again, I think

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Speaker 1: that there is a presumption now among the media and

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Speaker 1: the stories are all written as it was all a

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Speaker 1: film noir. Everything is dark, everything is gloomy, everything is opaque,

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Speaker 1: and any any word now is used in a sinister

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Speaker 1: fashion undisclosed contacts. Well, Russia is now a boogeyman on

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Speaker 1: the global scale. I mean, and anything having to do

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Speaker 1: with Russia at this point that you read about on

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Speaker 1: the press has this this ominous, this ominous undertone. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like the Kremlin is planning to invade us any

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Speaker 1: day now when Russian all the sanctimonious lectures that I

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Speaker 1: hear from from pundits on on some of the non

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Speaker 1: Fox channels about how Russia is Russia treat well when

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Speaker 1: I say Russia, Putin and the Kremlin deal with journalists

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Speaker 1: and their foreign policy and what they've done in Syria

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Speaker 1: and Crimea. And that was all going on for eight

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Speaker 1: years of Obama, but now Russia's terrifying. It was fine

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Speaker 1: for the eight years of Obama, but now it's really scary, right,

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Speaker 1: And you know, look, every president has made a mistake

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Speaker 1: with Putin. Uh, don't forget George Bush looked into his soul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a moment for Bush. Yeah, and and and Obama within

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Speaker 1: Hillary with the reset, I mean, what was the reset about?

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Speaker 1: It was because Bush had seen the light about Putin,

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Speaker 1: particularly over Georgia and Moldovia, where he had essentially invaded

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Speaker 1: sections of those much as he did with the Crimea

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. And so he had done this. Bush had

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Speaker 1: started the sanctions. Bush had started to try to isolate Russia,

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Speaker 1: and Obama comes along. Oh, it's it's Bush's fault. It's

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Speaker 1: not Putin's fault. We're gonna reset, and we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: this over. Well here we you know, we know how

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Speaker 1: that movie ends, right he comes. By the end of

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Speaker 1: his tenure, Obama is railing against Russia and giving him

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Speaker 1: the cold stare and the cold shoulder, and and Hillary

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Speaker 1: is is claiming that Putin wants to defeat her because

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Speaker 1: she's he's afraid of her. Michael, I've only got I

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Speaker 1: got a couple more for you before we're going to

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Speaker 1: run into a break. Um Or speaking to Michael Goodman

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Speaker 1: of the New York Post one new FBI director, what

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Speaker 1: do you think of Lieberman? And doesn't matter? It does matter?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I think of Lieberman. Um. I

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Speaker 1: think it's not the choice that I was expecting. I

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Speaker 1: think Lieberman is going to be strong on the political side,

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Speaker 1: and because he's not a career law enforcement person, I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's in effect the people in the department

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Speaker 1: are going to run him for the foreseeable future. He

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be a bad short term pick and interm pick.

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Speaker 1: I think Andrew McCabe is a terrible pick because of

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Speaker 1: his his conflicts of interest with the the governor of Virginia.

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Speaker 1: But look, I Lieberman would would surprise me, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure it's a great idea. I like him, I

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Speaker 1: respect him, but I'm just not sure he's the right

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Speaker 1: man for this problem right now. Any any predictions that

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Speaker 1: you want to offer up as to where this whole

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Speaker 1: Special Counsel investigation into Trump Russia collusion is going, Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you where I hope it's going to go.

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Speaker 1: I hope if if it's going to be as thorough

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Speaker 1: as everyone in office talks about, I hope by that

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Speaker 1: they mean that Comy and all of his memos will

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Speaker 1: be part of this because I think Comy is right

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Speaker 1: now by the media set up as the hero of

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Speaker 1: the piece, he could also be the villain of the piece.

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Speaker 1: Um if we see the full picture, and so I

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Speaker 1: think that it come If Comey is going to be

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Speaker 1: the witness against Trump, like in any trial, we know,

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Speaker 1: we need to know a lot about that witness. We

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Speaker 1: need to know other things that witness has said and done.

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Speaker 1: We need to test that witness's credibility. And if Comey

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Speaker 1: is sitting on memos, the detail things that the Obama

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Speaker 1: White House and Lauretta Lynch and others Injustice did to

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Speaker 1: him and what they said to him, what they did

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Speaker 1: about the Clinton investigation. I mean, don't forget. He testified

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Speaker 1: the Congress that he regarded Lynch's meeting with Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: in Arizona as the capper of a series of conflicts.

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Speaker 1: He said, others I can't talk about here. What were

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Speaker 1: the other conflicts that he saw between the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: and the Clintons that would make the Justice Department itself,

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Speaker 1: uh toxic about this and had to recuse. He wanted

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Speaker 1: the whole department cut out. It sounds like except for

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Speaker 1: the FBI. So I think Comey has a lot of

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Speaker 1: explaining to do. But some of his cryptic testimony. Michael

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Speaker 1: Goodwin is a New York Post commists and Fox News contributor.

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Speaker 1: Keep an eye out for him on Fox and also

854
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Speaker 1: got a New York Post dot com red his latest

855
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Speaker 1: James Comey learned his j Edgar Hoover lessons. Well, Michael,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for the time, Have a good weekend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Buck always a pleasure team. We are going

858
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Speaker 1: to hit a quick break and we'll be right back, Ulicia, Americans.

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Speaker 1: You think you voted, you think you are free, You

860
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: are wrong. We control you. We make your reality. The

861
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: media does our bidding. We are the state within a state.

862
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: We will defeat Trump at all costs. Is dispatches from

863
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Speaker 1: the deep state. We should throw their inbassador the hell

864
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Speaker 1: out of the United States of America. That this is,

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Speaker 1: this is the United States of American. This isn't this

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Speaker 1: isn't Turkey, this isn't a third world country, and this

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Speaker 1: kind of thing cannot go and responded to diplomatically, and

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Speaker 1: so sorry. We actually had a little we're gonna play

869
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Speaker 1: you a Kucinich talking about the deep state there, but

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Speaker 1: we got our clips mixed up, so pardon me for

871
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: for uh for the genre that that was a mix

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00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: up on the board here. That's gonna happen a live radio.

873
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Speaker 1: So that was John McCain talking about wanting the Turkish

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Speaker 1: ambassador expelled. That is not a deep state thing we have.

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Speaker 1: Do we have the cousindy, we don't have it. Okay,

876
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Speaker 1: well it's on my list. This happens, guys. Sorry about that.

877
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Speaker 1: Those of you who are like, what, that's not a

878
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: dispatch from the deep state. Kusinach says that the deep

879
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: state within the bureaucracy is trying to destroy Donald Trump's presidency.

880
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: And I just thought it was interesting because Dennis Kusinach,

881
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Speaker 1: who is um quite a character, um, former former Representative

882
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: Dennis Cusinach, is a believer in the deep state destruction

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration. So that was why I played

884
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Speaker 1: it there. Sorry that the McCain thing. I actually I

885
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Speaker 1: actually agree that what happened in Turkey is or sorry,

886
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: what happened here with the Turkish ambassadors reprehensible. So I

887
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Speaker 1: actually agree with John McCain on that aspect of at

888
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: least I don't even know what he said with the

889
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: rest of it, but on onto the deep state for

890
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: a moment here. Um, well, we can talk about this

891
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Speaker 1: a little bit. We also have oh well, I forget it.

892
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: A deef said, let's talk about um. Lindsay Lindsey Graham

893
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: here had something interesting to say about the probe. Uh,

894
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: it seems to me now to be considered a criminal investigation,

895
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Speaker 1: and what does that mean for the Congress. I find

896
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: it hard to subpoena records of somebody like Mr Flynn

897
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: who may be subject to a criminal investigation because he

898
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: has a right not to incriminate himself as to Mr Comey,

899
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Speaker 1: the former director of the FBI coming before the committee.

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Speaker 1: If I were Mr Mueller, I would jealously guard the

901
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: witness pool. So one of the big losers in this

902
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: decision is the public. We had a really good hearing

903
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Speaker 1: with Yates and Clapper where the public could hear what

904
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Speaker 1: happened with Miss Jates and Mr Clapper. I think that

905
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Speaker 1: opportunity has been lost, maybe for the greater good, but

906
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people in that room her

907
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Speaker 1: shocked that when a special counsel has been appointed that

908
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Speaker 1: Congress has limitations on what we can do. So that

909
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Speaker 1: that is one aspect of us that I think will

910
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Speaker 1: play out in unforeseeable ways in the weeks and months ahead.

911
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Speaker 1: You have a an investigative process here with Lindsey Graham,

912
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Speaker 1: oh sorry, with a former FBI director of Mueller that

913
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Speaker 1: will be ah less in the public view, but there

914
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Speaker 1: will still be a tremendous amount of public pressure on it.

915
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Speaker 1: And any uh, anything that comes from out of the investigation,

916
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Speaker 1: whether it's a leak or some kind of an update,

917
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how they'll go about that will

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Speaker 1: result in denunciations of of Mueller. It is Mueller. I

919
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: gotta get this name right. I'm pretty sure it's not

920
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Speaker 1: Muellers Mueller. People say Mueller, Mueller, Muller. No, I think

921
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Speaker 1: it's Mueller. But he's going to get into a lot

922
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Speaker 1: of trouble with the Democrat and not trouble, but there

923
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna decide that he's the worst thing ever, just

924
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Speaker 1: like they did with Comy. It's a fun exercise to

925
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: go back and watch how after Comy stepped out and

926
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Speaker 1: said that no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges against Hillary Clinton.

927
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Speaker 1: After that happened, Uh, Comey was like the second coming.

928
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was amazing. He was he was the

929
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Speaker 1: greatest civil servant in history. And then he gave the

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Speaker 1: update on we're still looking at Hillary's email server, there's

931
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Speaker 1: new emails. And then they hated him. And then at

932
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Speaker 1: different times you had you had people that we we

933
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Speaker 1: played some of this on the air. You had people

934
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Speaker 1: who believe that Comy should have been fired, and we're

935
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Speaker 1: on the record saying he should have been fired. Who

936
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Speaker 1: as soon as Trump fired him, like what's going on here? Tyranny?

937
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Speaker 1: They were really freaked out about it. They were very

938
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Speaker 1: very upset. Um. So we shall see. Marco Rubio thinks

939
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Speaker 1: that the special counsel that was gonna work out just fine.

940
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Speaker 1: That we are a nation of laws, and we have

941
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Speaker 1: institutions that are irrespective of our politics or people's political views.

942
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Speaker 1: Those laws in those rule, so we're gonna be followed.

943
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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening here now. There is a special

944
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Speaker 1: Council who I believe will conduct a pharaoh throw investigation

945
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Speaker 1: that will establish facts and lead us to the truth,

946
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Speaker 1: wherever that may be. And I have four confidence that

947
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Speaker 1: the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is continuing to conduct

948
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Speaker 1: its investigation on the counterintelligence aspects of Russian interference in

949
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Speaker 1: our elections. Uh so, let's just all call this what

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Speaker 1: it is. With a special counsel, this is a a

951
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Speaker 1: person that will be running an investigation under the auspices

952
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Speaker 1: of the Department of Justice, because the media convinced the

953
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Speaker 1: White House that the pressure was unbearable demanding this should

954
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Speaker 1: happen because the d o J couldn't handle the investigation.

955
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Speaker 1: So they're saying the d o J, you can't trust

956
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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice to look into Trump Russia collusion stuff.

957
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Speaker 1: So let's just appoint somebody to be in the in

958
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Speaker 1: a new chain of commanding the Department of Justice, that's

959
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: going to fix the problem. It's it. It's really a

960
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: lot of this is just for show. It's the optics

961
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: of it, right, because he still is he still can

962
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: be fired by the Deputy Attorney General. The the notion

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Speaker 1: that this creates a real separation and that this is

964
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Speaker 1: a major distinction between what was previously going with the

965
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Speaker 1: DOJ and what we see here. That's just they're feeding

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Speaker 1: the public. Aligne with that one um. But there will

967
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Speaker 1: be additional pressure and I think politicization. It will be

968
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Speaker 1: a more politically volatile investigation because the choice to go

969
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: with a special counsel will buy the anti Trump left

970
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: be it already is viewed, but it will continue to

971
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: be viewed as a concession that there's a problem, as

972
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: a concession that pressure from the outside will get to

973
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: the eventual truth of Trump's treason. That's what they think

974
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Speaker 1: is going to happen at the end of all this,

975
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Speaker 1: and when that doesn't end up being the case, unless

976
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Speaker 1: they get some White House staffer who you know, they

977
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: catch for cheating on his taxes or something, unless they

978
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: get somebody they're gonna say that this investigation. At the end,

979
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I promise you there will be major voyages in the

980
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: Democratic Party in the media who if there's no charges

981
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: brought at the end, we'll say that the fix was in,

982
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: that this was all a scam. Be right back. He

983
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna spread itself, Buck

984
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Speaker 1: sext in his back. White House correspondent for the Washington Examiner,

985
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Speaker 1: Sarah Westwood has joined the freedom hunt for mouth. Sarah,

986
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for giving us some time. Yeah,

987
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. All right, So, what's going on

988
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Speaker 1: at the White House? Must have been quite a week

989
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: down there? Yes, you know, it's been pretty crazy. I

990
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: think that the aids and the reporters are kind of

991
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: looking forward to the slow down and pace that there

992
00:58:53,840 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: will be with the President Trump traveling overseas. Sarah, are

993
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Speaker 1: you we need we need you to get to get

994
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Speaker 1: you a secure location. I'm here, I'm here, can you

995
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: hear me? Yeah? Yeah, sure, Okay, So you're telling us

996
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: White House what's going on? Yes, Well, this has been

997
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: a pretty bad week for the administration. I mean it's

998
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: been since last Tuesday, when President Trump abruptly dismissed the

999
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: FBI Director until this week when we learned that President

1000
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: Trump may have inadvertently revealed class fight information to senior

1001
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: Russian officials, and then potentially that in February he had

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Speaker 1: pressured then Director Coming to drop an investigation of General Flynn,

1003
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Speaker 1: and that called me had kept notes of that conversation.

1004
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Speaker 1: Then that a special council finally had been appointed to

1005
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Speaker 1: just take the reins of this whole mess. Uh. The

1006
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: White House has really been struggling to get out from

1007
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: under this cloud, and now hopefully this foreign trip which

1008
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: the President leaves for tomorrow will give them a chance

1009
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Speaker 1: to catch the US and the stories about the Trump

1010
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Speaker 1: administration limiting daily press briefings. Do you have any updates

1011
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: for us on that? And how did the press corps

1012
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Speaker 1: react to that? By the way, I mean, I've never

1013
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Speaker 1: been down there, So I imagine that there's someplace where

1014
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: all of you guys, you know from New York Times

1015
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Speaker 1: and Politico and the Post and the examin Or, like

1016
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Speaker 1: you're all just hanging out, you know, I don't know,

1017
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe maybe vaping, comparing notes, talking about stuff, you know, whatever. Yeah,

1018
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: whatever you guys do down there, But I don't know,

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01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: So you tell me. But when they're when you this

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Speaker 1: story comes out about the possibility of cutting back on briefings,

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Speaker 1: one is that possibly think? And two was there a

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Speaker 1: lot of backlash to that? Well? I think that there are.

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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of skepticism among reporters that President

1024
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Speaker 1: Trump is being serious when he threatens to stop the

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Speaker 1: daily press briefings, because we've heard this before. During the transition.

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Speaker 1: There were suggestions that potentially the briefings wouldn't happen every day,

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Speaker 1: or if they did happen, that they would not be

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Speaker 1: on camera, but the briefings would be moved out of

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Speaker 1: the Brady Room where they're currently conducted and potentially had

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Speaker 1: in the Executive Office building. There was a lot of

1031
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: talk about shaking up the way that the White House

1032
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Speaker 1: Press Court consumes information from the administration, and none of

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Speaker 1: it has come to fruition. It stayed remarkably traditional, with

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Speaker 1: the Press Secretary or the Deputy Press Secretary conducting an

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Speaker 1: on camera briefing most days. So it's it's hard for

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Speaker 1: a lot of reporters to believe that there is going

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Speaker 1: to be the seismic shift in UH press interactions with

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Speaker 1: the White House because they've been threatening that continuously and

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Speaker 1: haven't done it. Do you think Spicer is going to stay?

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Speaker 1: There were reports today that potentially Spicer's role is going

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01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: to be switched up a little bit, that maybe he'll

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Speaker 1: be conducting more of the off camera briefings that are

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Speaker 1: just for the reporters who are physically present at the

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Speaker 1: White House, and and Sarah how Colbee Sanders might take

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Speaker 1: over more of the on camera briefings. And we don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's the case, it could be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Sean Spicer, remember at the Republican National Committee, did have

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Speaker 1: a pretty large behind the scenes role in shaping messaging

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Speaker 1: and strategy, and so there are now reports that he

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Speaker 1: might move a little more behind the scenes to coming

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Speaker 1: up with how the White House should frame certain issues,

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Speaker 1: but not necessarily being the face of the White House.

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Speaker 1: And Sarah how Colbee Standers has had some success in

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Speaker 1: putting up sort of a softer face and a softer

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Speaker 1: touch on some of the news. Sean Spicer, he's a

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Speaker 1: little more combative, to say the least, and so that

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Speaker 1: kind of change might help the White House have a

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Speaker 1: different tone when they're talking to the press. We're speaking

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Speaker 1: to Sarah Westwood, he is a White House correspondent for

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Speaker 1: the Washington Examiner. So, did you get the sense that

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Speaker 1: was this week different when you saw administration officials running

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Speaker 1: around and and just in terms of the atmospherics, the

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Speaker 1: feeling in the y house, Uh, where people hit in

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Speaker 1: the panic button because there's all this stuff. I mean

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Speaker 1: I could sit here and just read all the different

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Speaker 1: headlines and talk to people about all the staff aids

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Speaker 1: and others making jokes about impeachment. Uh, you know, sort

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Speaker 1: of dark humor about impeachment and uh, feeling like the

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Speaker 1: sink the sink is the ship is sinking, and and

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Speaker 1: you're reading a lot about that stuff. Did that come

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Speaker 1: across this week or is that an exaggeration? Yeah? Look,

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Speaker 1: I think that the White House aids were more or

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Speaker 1: less in a bunker mode and had that bunker mentality

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Speaker 1: this weekend. It's interesting how dramatically the mood shifted between

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Speaker 1: last week and this week. I mean, remember it's it's

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Speaker 1: really only been a week. It seems like forever ago.

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Speaker 1: That FBI Director Comy was fired from the administration and

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Speaker 1: that night, Uh, White House aids were extremely responsive to reporters.

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Speaker 1: They were in overdrive trying to spin that decision. Trying

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Speaker 1: to explain the president's motivations and the record or on background,

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Speaker 1: they were stressing that it was Deputy Attorney General Rod

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Speaker 1: Rosenstein who made that decision. Then President Trump came out

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Speaker 1: and directly contradicted their account just twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 1: and since then, they've been very reluctant, even off the record,

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Speaker 1: to tell reporters any specific party line because of that incident,

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Speaker 1: and because I think President Trump was fairly unhappy with

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Speaker 1: the fact that he ended up contradicting his communication staff.

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Speaker 1: So that incident I think throws the lines of communication

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And over the past week they have

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Speaker 1: been hunker down and they haven't been willing to uh

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Speaker 1: freestyle any sort of sin operation because they're worried that

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Speaker 1: that kind of situation might repeat itself. Anything that is

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Speaker 1: noteworthy beyond the general Trump is going overseas on a trip.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you give us any details or expectations

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Speaker 1: for what's going to happen on Trump's first foreign expedition. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a real strategy behind the destinations

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Speaker 1: that Trump chose for his first three countries that he's visiting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have, uh, Saudi Arabia is as a

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Speaker 1: hub of Islam. You have Israel obviously a hub of Judaism.

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Speaker 1: He'll be going to the Vatican for Catholicism, so there

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Speaker 1: are there's a lot of religious significance to the cities

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Speaker 1: that were chosen. He also has a NATO meeting at

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Speaker 1: a G seven summit, so it gives him an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to assume that statesman role, to really focus on the

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Speaker 1: renewed American leadership that he has been hoping to project.

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Speaker 1: And I think NAST Security advisor hr McMaster had a

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Speaker 1: really brilliant line this week when he was briefing reporters

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Speaker 1: at the White House about this trip. It was kind

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Speaker 1: of lost in the shuffle, but he explained that one

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Speaker 1: of the goals of this trip would be to explain

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Speaker 1: that America First doesn't mean America alone, meaning that the

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Speaker 1: America First agenda is not incompatible with the reasserted American dominance.

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Speaker 1: That's been a point of discussion when we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Trumps foreign policy agenda, and it's something I think we'll

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Speaker 1: see really fleshed out on this trip. Sarah Westwood, Washington

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Speaker 1: Examiner's White House correspondent, Thank you so much. Great to

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Speaker 1: have you have a fun weekend. Thank you phones open

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Speaker 1: team eight four four buck eight four to eight to five.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing here that some Democrats. I found this very interesting.

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Speaker 1: This just came up when I was on air. Some

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Speaker 1: Democrats are telling other Democrats to just chill a little

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Speaker 1: bit with the impeachment rhetoric. What's that all about. It's

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Speaker 1: not out of a spirit of bipartisanship or fair play,

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Speaker 1: my friends. I'll explain after the break. I think this

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Speaker 1: is a fascinating dynamic that's playing out right now. Team, Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is the New York Times. Let me just read

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Speaker 1: to you a little bit of this and then I'll

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I see going on here. When

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Speaker 1: House Democratic leaders this was just earlier, Yeah, this is today.

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Speaker 1: When House Democratic leaders hastily called a news conference Wednesday

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate their outrage at President Trump's latest dramatics, they

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Speaker 1: took great pains to show they were not seeking to

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Speaker 1: railroad him out of the White House. No one ought to,

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Speaker 1: in my view, rushed to embrace the most extraordinary remedy

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Speaker 1: that involves the removal of the president from office, said

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Speaker 1: Representative Shift of California. He warned that Democrats should not

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Speaker 1: let their actions quote be perceived as an effort to

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Speaker 1: nullify the election by other means. Isn't that interesting? Um?

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Speaker 1: Because we should also note that there, I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: got Maxine Waters saying that the president should be impeached.

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Speaker 1: There are plans now among Democrat activists the first week

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Speaker 1: of July to hold impeachmentro impeachment marches on July two

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Speaker 1: across the nation. Um. So here's what's interesting about this.

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Speaker 1: To call for impeachment before they have proof of any

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Speaker 1: impeachable offense, which they do not plays into the debate

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Speaker 1: over Trump in ways that Democrats may not be uh well,

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Speaker 1: it may not show a lot of foresight because Trump

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Speaker 1: has only been in office for a few months. The

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Speaker 1: Consulet's let's say, for example, that the Republicans for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: next week completely caved and they voted to impeach Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, this is not going to happen everybody, right,

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Speaker 1: But I just want to play this thought experiment out

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Speaker 1: with you a little bit. And let's say Trump, even

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Speaker 1: if he didn't get removed from office, he just said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm done, I'm out, and he resigned

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Speaker 1: and said I'm just gonna go I'm gonna go play

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Speaker 1: golf mar Lago. I hear it's lovely this time of year,

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Speaker 1: and he went and did that. Those who voted for

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Speaker 1: Trump would not decide, Oh, that was all a big

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Speaker 1: waste of time, because the agenda is impossible, and you

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Speaker 1: know he was a fraud or he would no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: People would understandably see that and say, okay, so the

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Speaker 1: swamp is even deeper than we thought. The system is

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Speaker 1: even more rigged than we anticipated. They wouldn't even let

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Speaker 1: Trump be the president to do what he said he

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Speaker 1: was going to do so we could all figure out

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Speaker 1: if it works. You see, there is a balancing act

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Speaker 1: right now within the Democrat Party. That and and at

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Speaker 1: the leadership levels, they want to they want to raise

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Speaker 1: the specter of impeachment, but they don't want to push

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Speaker 1: too hard right now for impeachment because timing really matters,

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Speaker 1: and if they get ahead of where the public is

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Speaker 1: on the issue, we will be to look back and say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: let's say it's in July and I don't know, whatever

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Speaker 1: the scandal that they're going to latch in onto then

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Speaker 1: is out there. There's some revelation about a member of

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Speaker 1: Trump's campaign staff had you know, drinks with a Russian

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Speaker 1: dude who said he was gonna do something great to

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Speaker 1: help Trump in the election. What whatever it may be,

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Speaker 1: let's say they'll have And then they say, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: we want to impeach in This president's guilty of high

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Speaker 1: crimes and misdemeanors. If they've been saying it, which they

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Speaker 1: really have, but if they've been saying it every day

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Speaker 1: for months, stretching back for months, it's clearer that they're

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Speaker 1: just using impeachment as a tool to to borrow from

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Speaker 1: shift here to nullify the election. And there will be

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Speaker 1: a tremendous resentment among Trump supporters and I think among

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Speaker 1: Republicans more broadly as well, if they were able to

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Speaker 1: uh shut down the Trump presidency through even just just

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Speaker 1: bringing an impeachment vote, which I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're going to. I'm talking about the voters, by the way,

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Speaker 1: forget about Congress. Congress is a bunch of cowards. I

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Speaker 1: can't speak to what they're gonna do. But if Trump

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Speaker 1: never gets the opportunity to do what he said he

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Speaker 1: was going to do, then the Democrats run up, run

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Speaker 1: up against the possibility of turning him into a political symbol.

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Speaker 1: So he he might have failed, but he will have

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Speaker 1: failed mightily and righteously in taking on the swamp of

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Speaker 1: DC politics. And they were fighting dirty to get rid

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Speaker 1: of him. You see what I mean. It's this is

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Speaker 1: why you have somebody like Shift, the Democrat from California,

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Speaker 1: saying that Democrats should not let the actions quote be

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Speaker 1: perceived as an effort to nullify the election by other

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Speaker 1: means and quote, Well, that's exactly what this is all

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Speaker 1: about there. You know. You can either believe the Democrats

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Speaker 1: are just looking for any reason they can they can

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Speaker 1: come up with to call all for impeachment, or you

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Speaker 1: can think that Trump somehow just stumbles and from one

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Speaker 1: criminal impeachable fence to offense to another, just you know,

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Speaker 1: like like a you know, a guy who has had

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Speaker 1: too much to drink at night trying to get get

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Speaker 1: up the stairs. He's just a bumbling, stumbling fool and

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Speaker 1: can't help himself. Now, I'm not saying that that that

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't blurt out some stuff that's unhelpful to his cause,

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Speaker 1: but I mean criminal impeachable offenses or even just impeachable offenses,

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Speaker 1: I know, high crimes and misdemeanors is not a criminal standard.

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Speaker 1: Impeachment is a political standard that's important to keep in mind.

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Speaker 1: And they realized this. The Democrats realized this. So they

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Speaker 1: are not yet at a place where impeachment is Impeachment

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Speaker 1: is a is a real movement, and they know it.

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Speaker 1: So they'll raise impeachment as a rhetorical tool. Right. They'll say, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm peach Trump, and peach Trump, or you know, we

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Speaker 1: should be somebody should be talking. A few of them

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Speaker 1: will say that, right, the leftist looney vanguard will be

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Speaker 1: out there saying that. But they don't really want to

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Speaker 1: impeach him yet because they know that subverting the Trump

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Speaker 1: presidency through the mechanism of you know, whether you got

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Speaker 1: the twenty fifth amendment being raised by a conservative at

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Speaker 1: the New York Times, Ross dout it the smart guy,

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Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know what he's thinking with

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Speaker 1: this one, saying that Trump is essentially incompetent to hold

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Speaker 1: the office he holds. Uh. The the outrage that even

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Speaker 1: if even if you could get enough never Trumpers and

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Speaker 1: centrist Republicans to go along with an effort to let's say,

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Speaker 1: impeach Donald Trump, if you remove him before, before they've

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Speaker 1: been able to create a strong enough narrative of not

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Speaker 1: just his personal failings but the failure of his agenda.

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Speaker 1: All you do is forestall the next the next Trump move.

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Speaker 1: The next time, there'll be some who comes along and says,

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Speaker 1: the d C swamp. Do you just need to back

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Speaker 1: me even more? The DC swamp is worse, is smellier,

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Speaker 1: is deeper, is more grotesque than even Trump imagine. But

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Speaker 1: I'm here now to take it on and to save you.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it reminds me. Let me, let me

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Speaker 1: put this in in perhaps even better terms that I

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Speaker 1: have thus far. Remember in the movie Gladiator, which is

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Speaker 1: a fantastic movie. Are you not entertained? You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. It's Russell Crowe act. It's Crow's best movie.

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Speaker 1: But Master and Commander is definitely in the number two

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Speaker 1: role for me. I think Master and Commander is a

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Speaker 1: phenomenal movie. Underrated, was nominated for Best Picture. I think

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Speaker 1: it lost to like Shakespeare and Love maybe, which if

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Speaker 1: that's true, it's just just just wrong. But when commedists

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Speaker 1: the Emperor, the vile childish clearly Bernie Sanders supporting Emperor

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Speaker 1: Um in Gladiator when when commedist wants to destroy Maximus,

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Speaker 1: there's this whole problem of I can't just I can't

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Speaker 1: just have somebody, you know, poison Maximus. I've got to

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Speaker 1: take him out in the arena because I have to

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Speaker 1: destroy what he stands for in this analogy, they can't.

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Speaker 1: They can't at this point just try to remove Trump

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Speaker 1: from office, as much as they may dream about that.

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Speaker 1: They have to destroy what Trump stands for. Two, right,

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Speaker 1: So they need to allow Trump more time in the

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Speaker 1: political arena before they can try a removal proceeding against

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Speaker 1: him via or an impeachment proceeding, and then removal obviously

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Speaker 1: comes from the Senate um. And if they're hoping for

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Speaker 1: a criminal investigation to do their work, I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: they're they're dreaming, I think, I mean, that's that's never

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. But they may reach a point where they

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Speaker 1: where there's enough of a where Republicans get scared with

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Speaker 1: the mid terms coming. You know, you never know, it

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Speaker 1: could happen, And who knows what's gonna happen in the

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Speaker 1: mid terms too. I don't think that you're going to

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Speaker 1: have the Republicans lose the House, but stranger things my friends.

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Speaker 1: Another good show. By the way, I enjoyed it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was worth all the hype that they got,

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Speaker 1: but it was pretty decent. Um. But they this is

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Speaker 1: a very astute line here. They don't want to be

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Speaker 1: perceived as nullifying the election by other means, because that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing, and the truth would mean that

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Speaker 1: Trump is um even if Trump were to resign voluntarily,

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Speaker 1: If they don't defeat the ideas behind Trump is um,

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Speaker 1: they know that it will just come back and they'll

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Speaker 1: have to fight it in another guy's with another person

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Speaker 1: at the helm. All right, um, we're gonna talk to

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Speaker 1: Matt Walsh and get into a whole bunch of other

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Speaker 1: topics come up here in just a few Stay with me,

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Speaker 1: Bug Sexton with America. Now, the Freedom Hut is fired

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01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: up as Team Buck assembles shouldered as shoulder shields high

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Speaker 1: call in eight four four Buck, that's eight four four

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Speaker 1: to eight to five. Welcome back everyone. We have the

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Speaker 1: one and only Matt Walsh on the line. He's an

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Speaker 1: author at The Blaze and at the Matt Walsh blog

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Speaker 1: dot com. His new book, The Unholy Trinity, Blocking the

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Speaker 1: Left Assault on Life, marriage and gender is out now

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Speaker 1: Matt could have you back. Hey, thanks for having ut

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Speaker 1: Um talk to me first about Last Man Standing on ABC.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see this show, but it's gotten a lot

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Speaker 1: of It's got a lot of attention this week. I

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Speaker 1: know the basic storyline, but bring everyone up to speed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it's you know, it's it was a show that

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Speaker 1: appealed to conservatives. It was, I guess you could say

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Speaker 1: a conservative show about, you know, the Last Man Standing,

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Speaker 1: this man who's who's trying to survive and maintain his

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Speaker 1: masculinity and our ever increasingly feminized and PC culture. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the main characters are Republican conservative. Kim

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: Allen plays them also Republican conservative. And it did wall.

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Speaker 1: It was getting good ratings. I think it was the

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Speaker 1: number two common be on the network, the number three

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Speaker 1: scripted show overall, anchoring their Friday nights for five six years.

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Speaker 1: And they they it was just canceled suddenly and mysteriously,

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Speaker 1: And it was canceled only a few months after Tim

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Speaker 1: Allen went on I think it was Jimmy Kimmel and

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Speaker 1: admitted that he went to the Donald Trump's inauguration. I

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Speaker 1: made a comment about how conservatives are ostracized in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and next thing you know, his shows canceled and I

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Speaker 1: just you know, and they, of course ABC came up

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Speaker 1: with an explanation that had nothing to do with them

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Speaker 1: penalizing him for his viewpoints. But it's it's hard to

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Speaker 1: see all of that, especially when you consider this as

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Speaker 1: ABC and how liberal they're they're programming. Is it's hard

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Speaker 1: to consider all that coincidence. I've been always interested to

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Speaker 1: see how the the storyline that we're often told were

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Speaker 1: The excuse that's often made is that it's just about

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Speaker 1: the profit motive and that conservative And I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what a conservative show would mean, by the way, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that everything needs to be that, that

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Speaker 1: all entertainment needs to have guys in uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in try quarter hats carrying muskets around talking about their

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Speaker 1: love of George Washington. But just stories that have traditional

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Speaker 1: heroes or talk about traditional values, that have intact families

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Speaker 1: that love each other, things like that. We're always told

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Speaker 1: that that doesn't sell, and then once in a while,

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Speaker 1: something will come along where somebody manages to make a

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Speaker 1: conservative or traditionalist or however you want to phrase it.

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Speaker 1: Movie or TV show does phenomenally well. I mean, that

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Speaker 1: wasn't the Bible on what was a Discovery channel as

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Speaker 1: as another example, this does incredibly well. But then all

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Speaker 1: these Hollywood producers who are making flop after flop and

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Speaker 1: spending all this money on crap, They're like, nah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not not gonna go down that whole route. None of

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Speaker 1: this good guys, bad guys, God is real and love

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Speaker 1: your family stuff. Yeah, exactly, And that's and that's you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at the shows they decline to make or

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Speaker 1: that they cancel, and then you look at the shows

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Speaker 1: that they do make. I mean, uh, you know, a

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Speaker 1: PC is a really good example because they have every

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Speaker 1: seems every season they have some new you know, gay

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Speaker 1: friendly show that's just hitting, like hitting you over the

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Speaker 1: head with the l LGB the stuff. They had their

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Speaker 1: their mini series on on gay rights that was it

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Speaker 1: was and it's a total flop. These things are total flop.

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Speaker 1: Nobody watched them because it doesn't appeal to the kind

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Speaker 1: of audience that sits down to watch it. You know

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Speaker 1: that the average famili is not gonna sit down at

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock on a on a Thursday night and watch

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Speaker 1: a dramatic special about gay rights, like that's just you know,

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01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we're all a bunch of homopopes for that,

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Speaker 1: but we're not gonna We're not. That's just not the

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Speaker 1: kind of show we're watching. And yet they keep putting

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Speaker 1: these shows out even though nobody watches them. And it

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Speaker 1: seems like it's interesting because you would think that money

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Speaker 1: and ratings will be their primary concerns, but it does

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Speaker 1: seem like when it comes down to it, they're really

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Speaker 1: their hatred for whatever you wanna call it, traditional Americans

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Speaker 1: overrides overrides everything else. And you're right that if it

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Speaker 1: was really all about money, they every network on TV

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Speaker 1: would be finding a way to make like a Bible show.

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Speaker 1: They would you know, they would be like a police

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Speaker 1: procedural or a reality show where you find them in

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Speaker 1: every network. Now, if it was all about money that

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Speaker 1: they would be doing. They would all be doing that

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Speaker 1: because because those it would get huge ratings. Um. But

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Speaker 1: they just they don't want to. They'll sacrifice the writings

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Speaker 1: because they just don't want to put that kind of

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Speaker 1: content out there, just as it aside. Did you see

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Speaker 1: the Noah movie with Russell Crowe as being in the Bible.

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Speaker 1: I got through like like twenty minutes of it. I

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Speaker 1: was like, I cannot believe they spent real money to

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Speaker 1: make this piece of garbage. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: they they there's obviously this great hunger for biblical you know,

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Speaker 1: movies and kind of and then they finally decided to

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Speaker 1: put all this money into this and and then they

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Speaker 1: take the Bible out of it. Matt, I mean, they

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Speaker 1: do a biblical story and it's like they make a

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Speaker 1: new story. It's no longer the Biblical story. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: the the but the greatest example this is the past.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look of the Passion of the Christ. Passion

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Speaker 1: of the Christ was one of it was one of

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Speaker 1: the the you know, one of the most successful, alrighted

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Speaker 1: movies of all time, one of the most successful movies

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Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. It was a beautiful piece

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Speaker 1: of art in my opinion, it was a great movie.

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Speaker 1: On top of that, and it did it was did

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Speaker 1: enormously well. But the critics absolutely panned it, and and

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Speaker 1: all of the you know, the pole everyone involved that

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Speaker 1: production was like ostracized and alienated from the film industry.

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Speaker 1: Jim Cavitelle because these all who I think deserved an

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Speaker 1: Academy Warfare. His portrayal. Jesus never got another. Just you

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Speaker 1: never saw them a movie ever again after that, Like

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Speaker 1: and this is I mean and this and it shows

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Speaker 1: you you make it. You make a biblical movie that's

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Speaker 1: respectful of the material. Uh, and people will come out

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Speaker 1: in droves to watch it. But they just they can't.

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Speaker 1: They can't bring themselves to do it, even when you

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Speaker 1: dangle millions of dollars in front of That's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to Matt Wall, She's an author at The Blaze

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Speaker 1: and has a new book out, The Unholy Trinity, which

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: you should all check out, available on Amazon right now. Um, Matt,

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Speaker 1: to silence his critics once and for all, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: must come out as a woman. A column you wrote,

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Speaker 1: no doubt prepared for all of the fierce rage and

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Speaker 1: trolling from the progressive left. Yeah, well well well listen,

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Speaker 1: it was this very serious proposal. You know, I was

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Speaker 1: trying on my head as a political strategist, which I

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Speaker 1: don't do often, and uh, it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: serious proposal. My point is, just look all this, all

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Speaker 1: this uh controversy swirling around trumpet. If you us to

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Speaker 1: silences critics, if he wants to calm the waters and

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01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: save his presidency. This is one way you can do.

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Speaker 1: And it could come out and come out as a

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Speaker 1: transgender woman, um transgender gay woman even better. And I

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Speaker 1: think that would that would you know, what do you'd

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Speaker 1: be doing, is he'd be he'd be on the left,

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Speaker 1: we have the kind of like victim pyramid, the victim hierarchy.

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Speaker 1: And right now, the problem is when you're a white Christian,

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Speaker 1: cis gendered Republican male, it's like your way at the bottom,

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01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're your way at the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: of the victim high ary. Just you stringing all those

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Speaker 1: words together is a microaggression now, by the way, exactly,

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Speaker 1: and you can't. And the problems if you're it really is,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the left, it's their their currency is victimization.

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Speaker 1: That's what you know. That's how you get powers if

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Speaker 1: you can position yourself as a victim. And where Trump is,

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Speaker 1: he can't do that, which is why he's always mocked

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Speaker 1: when he tries to play the victim card, which he

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01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: deserves to be mocked for because he is the president,

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Speaker 1: for God's sake. But he could get away with it

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Speaker 1: at my point if he just had a few of

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Speaker 1: the Democrats and the demographic points in his favor to

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Speaker 1: be like a few victim points in his favor, he

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Speaker 1: could get away with portraying himself as a victim. And

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Speaker 1: so it's look, I'm I don't expect that necessarily they'll

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Speaker 1: go this round, but I think that they should at

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Speaker 1: least consider it, you know, Donna Trump, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's just something to Chelsea Manning would still be languishing

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Speaker 1: in prison. I'm quite sure if if there wasn't the

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Speaker 1: transition to two female component of the story. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: that that's what is that's what's made Manning a hero

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Speaker 1: to the left. And also I shouldn't and you also

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01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 1: have uh, what was it Governor Jim McGreevy. Didn't he

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01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: get in all kinds of trouble in New Jersey? But

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Speaker 1: then he came out and he didn't get that speech? Right?

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Speaker 1: I am a gay American, I think is what he said.

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Speaker 1: And what looked like he was going to get into

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Speaker 1: all kinds of trouble for for corruption, for for real problems.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden it just melted away. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I say with Chelsea Manning, I think you're exactly

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Speaker 1: that really, that's how no matter how you feel about

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01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: that situation, that's what's so insane. I mean, we just

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Speaker 1: like gloss right over this kind of stuff because we're

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Speaker 1: so used to it. But that's how insane it is

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01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: that he really he would that he would still be

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Speaker 1: in prison. I absolutely believe that if he still identified

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Speaker 1: as a man, if he if he if he wasn't

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Speaker 1: a cross dresser, he would still be in prison. He

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Speaker 1: got out of prison because of this, and that's the

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Speaker 1: only you know, the main reason why he became this

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Speaker 1: kind of like heroic figure on the left. There was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of that beforehand, you know, when you

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Speaker 1: originally was arrested. I think there were some people that

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Speaker 1: were on the side. But after that point, that's if

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Speaker 1: he became this heroic figure. And so, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of joking about the Donald Trump thing, but it's

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Speaker 1: but this really is how it works. It's uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is how the game works on the left. It's

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Speaker 1: all about it's you know, it's not about politics or anything.

1478
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: It's really about identity. It's you know, what can you

1479
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: identify as to position yourself as a victim for without

1480
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 1: even getting into whether it's a good idea or not,

1481
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: whether it's rational or more or anything else. Why is

1482
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: it now that we are we are told that we

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01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: have to celebrate as heroes those who go through a

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01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: gender transition process. I mean, you know the guy, this

1485
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: is like the old thing about the guy runs into

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01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: the building to save a bunch of kids in an

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01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: orphanage when it's burning down and risks his life and

1488
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: maybe never sees his family again, but he wants to

1489
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 1: save the kids. That's a hero, right, nineteen year old

1490
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: walking around the streets of Ramadi to make sure that

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01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, the Islamic State isn't trying to lock people's

1492
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: heads off with a scimitar on video. You know, that's

1493
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: a hero. Why is it heroic to change your gender? Yeah,

1494
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: well that's of course. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

1495
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 1: And this is not you know, it's it's not even

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01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: for the for the people who do it. Um, it's

1497
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,599
Speaker 1: not you know, it's it's it's not an act that

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01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: they're going through to help somebody else or you know,

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01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 1: putting themselves in danger. I think they are putting themselves

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01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: in physical danger. Well that's not why they're doing it.

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01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: They're doing it. You know, kind of succumbing to their

1502
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,600
Speaker 1: own to their own mental delusions, which which is not

1503
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: a heroic act. And even if you take that out

1504
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,639
Speaker 1: of it, you know, let's just even put all that aside.

1505
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Remote no matter how you even if you think that

1506
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: that it's possible to change your gender. Doing something for

1507
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: yourself because it's something you feel like doing and you

1508
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: want to do and it's what you desire, that's not

1509
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: a heroic act at all, no matter what it is,

1510
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: it's not it's not heroical. Just do something for yourself.

1511
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: So that's, you know, before we even get into like

1512
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: talking about the validity of transgenderism, it does. It's not

1513
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: heroic when you're simply serving yourself. And I think that's

1514
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: as a culture we seem to struggle with that with

1515
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: that fact. Matt Walsh is an author at The Blaze

1516
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: and check out his book The Unholy Trinity, Blocking the

1517
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 1: Left Assault on life, marriage and gender. Matt, thank you

1518
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: so much for your time and good to talk to you. Hey,

1519
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Buck team, we are going to hit

1520
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 1: a break eight four four to five eight four nine, Buck,

1521
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: and then we'll be right back. This is a new

1522
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: story that should be getting much more at tension. But

1523
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: right now everything is pulled into the the the vortex

1524
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: of Trump Russia, all this Kremlin stuff we've got going on. Um,

1525
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: the allegations and accusations. But this is this is serious. Um,

1526
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: well it's I should say, it's concerning. Um. Here's what happened.

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01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 1: Military official US air strike hits pro regime forces in

1528
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: Syrias from USA today. A coalition airstrike in Syria on

1529
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: Thursday targeted pro regime forces who were threatening a coalition

1530
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: base where advisors train anti Islamic state fighters. The US

1531
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 1: led Coalition Command said the forces came within a thirty

1532
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 1: four mile defensive zone around the around the Attan base

1533
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: in southern Syria. According to the command, US military officials

1534
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: have not yet determined if Syrian army forces were targeted

1535
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: in the strike or if they were militias aligned with

1536
01:28:53,560 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: the government of Syrian President Bashar Assadum. The air strike

1537
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 1: targeted a tank and two earth movers that are building

1538
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: fighting positions within the defensive zone. UM. Pentagon did not

1539
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: provide an estimate of casualties. Here's what's happening, everybody, while

1540
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 1: we're all being caught up in this preposterous conspiracy theory,

1541
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: madness about Trump and Russia and everything else. We have

1542
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: Kurdish militias, as I've explained it before, on the ground

1543
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: in Syria, moving closer and closer to Rocca. We are

1544
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: giving them air cover and they are our proxy force there. Um,

1545
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: and we have US advisors who are in Syria helping.

1546
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:46,839
Speaker 1: So we have US personnel, US military in a harm's

1547
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: way and uh and involved in this fight. Once we

1548
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: get close enough to Rocca and once we take it,

1549
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: once it is taken from ISIS, this is going to

1550
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 1: become increasingly likely that there will be a military strike

1551
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 1: and air strike that will hit ASSAD forces. Now, keeping mind,

1552
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: up to this point, despite all the atrocities and the

1553
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: the terrible actions of the Assad regime, we haven't been

1554
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: targeting Assad. We have not been fighting a war against ASAD.

1555
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: We have allowed for what is the de facto partition,

1556
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: the separation of Assad Syria from what you could call uh,

1557
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, rebelius stand or something or you know isis Stan.

1558
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean ISIS has been in control of parts of

1559
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: the country and parts of Syria four years now. Um,

1560
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: we've only really been involved in the fighting against ISIS.

1561
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: But once isis is territory collapses and we are moving

1562
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: forces further and closer two Assads forces. What do we

1563
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: What do we do? Then? The possible reality of either

1564
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: a miscalculation, a mistake, or an escalation, meaning a decision

1565
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 1: made in the Pentagon that We've got to push back

1566
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: against Assad's forces with lethal force, would be opening up

1567
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: a whole new phase of the conflict. And we should

1568
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: be very wary about this because while the YPG militia

1569
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: with US air cover maybe in a very or in

1570
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:32,839
Speaker 1: a strong position against the Islamic State, if the Assad

1571
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 1: regime turns its guns on that YPG militia, and if

1572
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 1: the US now has personnel who are in harm's way, uh,

1573
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: this can become much messier and and is a precarious

1574
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 1: situation to be sure. Also, by the way, there's this

1575
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: from the New York Post today to keep in mind.

1576
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: Isis is forming a chemical weapons cell made up of

1577
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: countless experts from Iraq and Syria, according to a report

1578
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: sided here in the Washington In the New York Post,

1579
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: a U S official told CNN that the terror group

1580
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 1: is gathering all of its chemical weapons specialists from across

1581
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: the Middle East and bringing them to their new de

1582
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: facto capital in the Euphrates River Valley UM, located in

1583
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: Syria between Mayadin and Al Kayim. The cell will sit

1584
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 1: just across the Iraqi border and will be composed of

1585
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 1: people who have never worked together. A defense official told

1586
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 1: CNN that thousands of ISIS operatives and sympathizers are believed

1587
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: to be in the area, and that Islamic State leader

1588
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Abu Baker al bagh Daddi may also be hunkered down there.

1589
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Region has served as the headquarters for the group in

1590
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: the wake of the U. S Lad offensive on Rocca.

1591
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: It's one time capital UM, so there are some un there.

1592
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: There are some aspects to this anti ISIS fight that

1593
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 1: they're going on that are are likely to get much

1594
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: nass here, and this could be more dangerous both for

1595
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: our allies as well as for the US forces who

1596
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: are deployed there. But really the question that no one

1597
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 1: has answered yet the the issue that has yet to

1598
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: be touched on by the by the Trump administration, and

1599
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: they're going to have to. By the way, I haven't

1600
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: even spoken about the Afghan review for the Afghanistan uh

1601
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: anti Taliban fight, which you know is not going well.

1602
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: I've been talking about it here on the show, and

1603
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 1: we might do a deep dive on that, if not tomorrow,

1604
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: probably sometime next week. But what is the US relationship

1605
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: with Assad's Syria once isis is gone. Let's assume for

1606
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: a second that the current momentum holds and that the

1607
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Islamic State loses rock on the surrounding areas and there

1608
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: is this unsteady um. But well, this unsteady situation of

1609
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 1: Kurdish militia, maybe some free Syrian army Sunni Arabs who

1610
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 1: are provide security beyond regime territory. You see, Assad's gonna

1611
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: want that territory back. So do we guarantee that that

1612
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 1: territory stays out of Asad's hands? What what does that mean?

1613
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the international law implications, Not

1614
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: that that necessarily matters all that much, but what are

1615
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 1: the international implications here? Syria is still a sovereign supposed

1616
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: to be a sovereign country. So if we destroy the

1617
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:35,599
Speaker 1: terrorists rebels in Syria, the terrorist anti Assad forces and

1618
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: destroy the Jihadis, which is still that's not a done

1619
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: deal yet, but it seems like it's happening. What do

1620
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: we tell a SOB when he says, okay, well, we

1621
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: want this territory back. And by the way, do we

1622
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: do we allow for um there to be an international

1623
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,960
Speaker 1: criminal court proceeding against the side? Do we press war

1624
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,879
Speaker 1: war crime charges against Asad? Or does the international community

1625
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: and do this? I mean, defeating ISIS is a necessary step,

1626
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 1: but it is in Syria. But it's just one step

1627
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 1: of many for a problem that the Obama administration just

1628
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: just allowed to implode, to just fester, to just get

1629
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:19,680
Speaker 1: as as bad and hopeless and and horrible as it

1630
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: could with almost with certainly no strategic vision from the

1631
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Obama administration, and and it really a shocking indifference to

1632
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 1: what was going on in that country. You know, Obama

1633
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 1: got off easy from uh, from the perspective of certainly

1634
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: the press and just US public opinion in general, because

1635
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,639
Speaker 1: we weren't always being reminded of how terrible things were

1636
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: in Syria and how it didn't have to be that way.

1637
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: In fact, the obaministration took some preliminary steps to try

1638
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: and at least dampen down the conflict, and they were

1639
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: complete flops, abject, abject failures. The Trump administration is going

1640
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: to have its handshall know, He's heading out to the

1641
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: Middle East. That's happening tomorrow. But President Trump is I'm

1642
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to come up with some very creative and

1643
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 1: firm policy solutions for what. What's the world's relationship, what's

1644
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: the international community's relationship going to be with Syria going forward?

1645
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: What do we do when Asad's like, hey, thanks for

1646
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: kicking isis out? I want that town back. By the way,

1647
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:24,879
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody with an answer to these questions.

1648
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: We'll be back in a minute. Black Holes black Chris

1649
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 1: Cornell dead today. That was a black Hole Sun, probably

1650
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 1: his best known song from his days as the lead

1651
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 1: singer of Sound Garden. I'm not somebody who does a

1652
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: lot of pop culture here on the show, so I

1653
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: won't pretend that all of a sudden I'm a I'm

1654
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: a music critic. UM. I saw this though, and this

1655
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: is one of those rare times when someone passes away,

1656
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 1: in this case very tragically. UM. My understanding is that

1657
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: it was a suicide, but someone you didn't know but

1658
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: had a real effect on at least a part of

1659
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: your life passes away and it gets you thinking, I

1660
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 1: can say that much. Uh. The other well, there have

1661
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: been a few times where this has happen with me.

1662
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: It's rare because I don't spend a lot of time

1663
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: thinking about pop culture or you know, I'm so steeped

1664
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: in what I do here, and before that, I'm so

1665
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: busy with my time in government on counter terrorism stuff. Um.

1666
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: When Christopher Hitchens died, remember I also felt like this

1667
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 1: was a person who was playing a role in my

1668
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 1: life that I had never met and didn't know. But

1669
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 1: I read so many of his columns and books that

1670
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: it felt like I knew him in some way. And

1671
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: I had many friends actually in media who knew him

1672
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 1: quite well. I never had the chance to get to

1673
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: know him, but Chris Cornell, lead singer of Sound Gardener

1674
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: and later Audio Slave and also the Temple of the

1675
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,839
Speaker 1: Dog I believe was another band that he was involved

1676
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: with for a while. It just reminds me of that

1677
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: period of my life back in the nineties when everything

1678
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: seemed like it was all going to work out. And

1679
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: I suppose this is why we have the nostalgia that

1680
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 1: we do for the music of our youth, whatever that

1681
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: may be. I kind of get now why my parents

1682
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: and their friends and their generation feel a certain allegiance

1683
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: to the Rolling Stone such that if you bring up

1684
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: the the Rolling Stones or maybe a little past their

1685
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: prime or their music is just not really standing up

1686
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: to the test of time quite the way. That's a oh,

1687
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 1: and there's outrage. Outrage. I tell you, they do not

1688
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 1: want to hear that at all, um, And I can

1689
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 1: understand why, you know, I I hear sound guard. Music

1690
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: has this really profound effect I think on on all

1691
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 1: of us where it's not even just you like the song,

1692
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 1: but it often triggers a mindset or triggering. But triggering

1693
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: can be a good thing. It triggers a mindset or

1694
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,600
Speaker 1: reminds you of a time in your life, and and

1695
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:42,400
Speaker 1: it can transport you to it in a in a

1696
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 1: in a profound way. I know for a lot of you,

1697
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: you're probably seen thinking about whatever those bands would be,

1698
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 1: and then you also know later on it's not that

1699
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: it's necessarily the best band. You may not even love

1700
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: the song, but it reminds you of a time right

1701
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 1: And for me, Sound Garden, which Chris Cornell was the

1702
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 1: lead singer of, reminds me of the nineties, which I

1703
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 1: think Black Hole Sun came out in ninety four, so

1704
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: I would have been in the sixth or seventh grade,

1705
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: and this was when having a walkman was like the

1706
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. I remember playing the video game sid

1707
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: Meier's Civilization for hours and hours on end. I wish

1708
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 1: it had been a little more intricate, because if I

1709
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 1: could have had more, uh true historical data to absorb,

1710
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: I think I would have I would have gotten a

1711
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: pH d in history from all the hours I spent

1712
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: playing sid Meier's Civilization. Um, but I think back to

1713
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,759
Speaker 1: times of my life when I was for the period,

1714
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 1: and I know this can be this can sound um

1715
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 1: maybe trite, because I should say that the times of

1716
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: my life that mattered most were serving serving my country

1717
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 1: overseas these in two war zones, or being in the

1718
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Oval office for for the for the first time. And um,

1719
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, you know, it's we're allowed to

1720
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: just remember those times when we were truly at peace

1721
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: and happy, even if it wasn't because we were changing

1722
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 1: the world. We're making things better. I think of playing

1723
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: Civilization listening to Sound Garden on a boom box. I

1724
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: mean the boom box that I used to have. It

1725
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 1: had the two tape deck in it so that if

1726
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 1: you heard a song off the radio, which I'm sure

1727
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 1: the music companies hate that people were doing this. But

1728
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:43,600
Speaker 1: if I heard a song off the radio, it was

1729
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 1: it was a game of could I press record fast

1730
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 1: enough so I could record it? And I would make

1731
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:50,680
Speaker 1: mix tapes, and oh man, those mix tapes. When you

1732
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 1: had a good mixtape, it was it made your weak,

1733
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and you listen to it and listen to

1734
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: it until yeah, you finally got over, and then you

1735
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,560
Speaker 1: have to make a new mixed tape. Um. But I

1736
01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: would sit there and listen to some of the stations,

1737
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 1: um that, some of the big stations here in New

1738
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: York City, and and make these mixtapes. But I would

1739
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:15,160
Speaker 1: play black Hole Sun among other sound Garden um sound

1740
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Garden tracks. And also, you know, now I'm gonna start

1741
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,400
Speaker 1: admitting I'm startedmitting some nineties truth to you that I'll

1742
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 1: probably regret later. A big Google Dolls fan, not afraid

1743
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: to say it. I'm not gonna step away from that

1744
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 1: uh Stone Temple Pilots. Some people say they're overrated, and

1745
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: they they overly commercialized. Grunge. Sound Garden, of course, was

1746
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: an important part of the grunge scene. I never I

1747
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:42,720
Speaker 1: liked some of the grunge bands, but never really like Nirvana,

1748
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: which I know is say, uh, a bit of a paradox.

1749
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: You see all these lists and they'll say the greatest

1750
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 1: single song of the nineties on a lot of these

1751
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 1: Billboard lists and things that people put online would be

1752
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 1: smells like teen Spirit by Nirvana. I always saw Nirvana

1753
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: just sounded like an angry garage band. I didn't get it,

1754
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: and I know that people yell at me for this,

1755
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 1: but we're allowed to have different, different sensibilities, different taste

1756
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 1: and uh, look, I'm admitting that I'll hear you know

1757
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: that song uh closing time, and it will just remind

1758
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: me of certain parties that I went to, even though

1759
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: I realized it's I don't remember who, I didn't remember

1760
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: the name of the band that did it. But um,

1761
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's as I was mentioning before, if you're

1762
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:27,880
Speaker 1: just doing it now. Chris Cornell, in an apparent suicide,

1763
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: died today. Um, and just made me think about all

1764
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 1: the times I was listening to Sound Garden Audio Slave

1765
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I Knew, which was his later project. I never um

1766
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: was as attached to it as I was to a

1767
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: Sound Garden And yeah, I mean being a like a

1768
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: young teenager playing Civilization my parents are great man or

1769
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 1: Friday night, they would like they would order in you know,

1770
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,720
Speaker 1: I would live in New York City, would order in

1771
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: Chinese or Indian or pizza, and you know, I would

1772
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: just this is before I was overly distracted with trying

1773
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 1: to have a life outside of home. So I would

1774
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: just curl up man with Civilization. There are a few

1775
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 1: other games I would play, but Civilization was the main one.

1776
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: Rock out to the Sound Garden, maybe maybe a little

1777
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews. I'm not gonna be shy about it. A

1778
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 1: copten that didn't happen. Um. And when I need to

1779
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,160
Speaker 1: think about a time when I was, when I just

1780
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: remember really being at peace, that's one of them. And

1781
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 1: as I said before, it's not it's not a profound sentiment.

1782
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 1: It's not you know, being alongside the United States military

1783
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,639
Speaker 1: and a struggle for America and for Western civilization against

1784
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 1: the nihilists of jihadism. Um, that's amazing. And I remember

1785
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,760
Speaker 1: that in a very different way. But if I'm looking

1786
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: for a time when I was just at peace, um,

1787
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,679
Speaker 1: it would Sound Garden brings me, It brings me back there.

1788
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to play the beginning of that

1789
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: song and black Hole sun is there is their best song.

1790
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't even like a lot of their stuff. They're

1791
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: only a few songs that I think I was particularly

1792
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: attached to UM. But it's important as well. You know,

1793
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: as I've gotten along in some years and been doing

1794
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: more media, I used to say I didn't have time

1795
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 1: to read fiction, and I would only read nonfiction because

1796
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: I had so much that I wanted to learn and

1797
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 1: teach myself. And I still read a lot of nonfiction,

1798
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,839
Speaker 1: but I've actually made space in my life for fiction,

1799
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: and I m make time as well to listen to music.

1800
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: And I mean just listen to music. Not when I'm

1801
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 1: cleaning my room, not when I'm working out, I mean

1802
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 1: just listen and make that mental space available for yourself

1803
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 1: and allow yourself to be for many of you. Whatever,

1804
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. I don't know if

1805
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, Credence, I don't know if it's Zeppelin,

1806
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 1: But whatever it may be, you know TLC. But to

1807
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:55,640
Speaker 1: transport you back to a time when you are UM

1808
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: at peace and to just tap into that happiness, and

1809
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,400
Speaker 1: it's it's a powerful thing. This is why musicians, why

1810
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: rock stars have the followings they do and have the

1811
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,639
Speaker 1: the cultural residence that they do because there's something special

1812
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,640
Speaker 1: about music that um has the ability to transport your

1813
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 1: mind anyway. So rest in peace. Chris cornell Um a

1814
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 1: great rock musician and somebody has spent a lot of

1815
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 1: time listening to as a kid. All Right, I'm gonna

1816
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 1: hit a break here, team, I will be back with

1817
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: you on the flip side. Don't go anywhere and we'll

1818
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: be right back. One of the defining characteristics of the

1819
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:42,599
Speaker 1: social justice left is there obvious hypocrisy. Um. You see

1820
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 1: this whenever they begin to talk about how uh they

1821
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 1: are all about openness and inclusiveness, but then they are

1822
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: completely horrific, nasty, derogatory towards conservatives or Christians or conservative Christians.

1823
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Even worse so, their posture, the public posture of these

1824
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 1: are my politics. I'm a social justice warrior, I'm a progressive.

1825
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 1: I am of the left because I'm so emotionally connected

1826
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: and open minded and and consider it towards others and inclusive.

1827
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:24,839
Speaker 1: It all falls apart when they are confronted with those

1828
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:32,320
Speaker 1: who don't fit into the ideology of victimization of what

1829
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: what they call intersectionality. Intersectionality is a view of society

1830
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: that is based entirely upon class, gender, and race struggle.

1831
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 1: And it is zero sum in the sense that you know,

1832
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,080
Speaker 1: someone is always benefiting in someone else's expense, and there

1833
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 1: are structures in place systemic. This is where they start

1834
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,679
Speaker 1: using big essay t words a sound all fancy uh.

1835
01:47:55,720 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 1: There are systemic issues that are not just the way

1836
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: things are, but in fact are part of an active

1837
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: plot to suppress and negate and undermine other groups. And

1838
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 1: in intersectionality of course, white straight males or white uh

1839
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:19,599
Speaker 1: cis gender gender binary males. There's this whole new language,

1840
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,719
Speaker 1: by the way, that we can all learn and talk about.

1841
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: I make jokes about it. Sometimes we have our friend

1842
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 1: from Heat Street, Emily's nat e on and instead of

1843
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 1: being part of the patriarchy, she's starting the matriarchy. But

1844
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: there is this entirely new language. But you know that

1845
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 1: these social justice UH whimps are not being upfront with

1846
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 1: themselves about what they really think because they're actually quite judgmental.

1847
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: They're not open minded, they're hyper judgmental. They just have

1848
01:48:45,439 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 1: created a system that is kind of the mirror image

1849
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: of the John Stewart Show, The Daily Show when he

1850
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,759
Speaker 1: was still doing it, which is that we're the good guys,

1851
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: were always right, we always win, there's no need for

1852
01:48:57,720 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: self reflection, and in fact, really hearing the opinions of

1853
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: others might undermine my goodness and how amazing I am.

1854
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:09,920
Speaker 1: And therefore, um, I will shut down that speech and

1855
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: to take that to its complete ends, you get people

1856
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 1: on campuses that are like, your words upset me so

1857
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: much that I will engage in violence and feel righteous

1858
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:24,639
Speaker 1: in doing so against you, because your speeches tent amount

1859
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 1: to violence, which is uh, quite a leap, um. This

1860
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: is It reminds me of how on campus some of

1861
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: the uh, the hyperbole about rape culture, rape culture which

1862
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 1: does not exist, which is a false term, um, but

1863
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 1: the hyperbole about rape culture, and how even unwanted an

1864
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 1: unwanted gaze can be a form of sexual assault. So

1865
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,719
Speaker 1: your eyeballs looking at somebody can be a sexual assault

1866
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:56,080
Speaker 1: according to the social justice left, which clearly demeans sexual assault. Okay, um,

1867
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 1: there's this, professor. This is really getting to the point

1868
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,439
Speaker 1: about whether people act the same way and feel the

1869
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 1: same way publicly as they do privately, as they espouse

1870
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff, um, and whether they're hypocrites, whether the

1871
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 1: social justice left is full of hypocrites. Well, you've got

1872
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 1: this Yale dean, June Chew, who advises five hundred students,

1873
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 1: and she is quote supposed to foster a familiar, comfortable

1874
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 1: living environment, and she has sought to help students not

1875
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 1: only succeed academically, but to support their holistic academic experience

1876
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:33,720
Speaker 1: and multifaceted identities. But here's the problem, and now this

1877
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 1: is really caught fire. It started out with the Yale

1878
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 1: Daily News, the College paper reporting on it, but now um,

1879
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: it's gone into the pages of the Washington Post, in

1880
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal. This professor who's all about all

1881
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 1: about inclusiveness, multifaceted identities, and a holistic experience for her students,

1882
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:56,519
Speaker 1: has been writing some Yelp reviews. I'm telling you the

1883
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 1: comments section. People think that it's all anonymous in the

1884
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:02,919
Speaker 1: comments section. It's not. They can always find you everything online.

1885
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: Everything digital is is unfortunately or fortunately, depending on the circumstance.

1886
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 1: It's there forever. But she was writing about people being

1887
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: white trash, and she made jokes about obese people, and

1888
01:51:17,479 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: she was clearly an elitist in all the worst senses.

1889
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: She would write things that were particularly nasty about about

1890
01:51:29,479 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: the diet. This was at some restaurants, she would mock

1891
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: those who were there, and the things that she wrote

1892
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: would you would think be at odds um at odds

1893
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:43,800
Speaker 1: with someone who she wrote about white trash and low

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Speaker 1: of course, there are wonderful college professors and deans, and

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Speaker 1: But and I mean traditional believing Christians, not like you know,

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Speaker 1: by the progressive left on campus. Um. But yeah, this,

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Speaker 1: And that has even legal ramifications to it and and

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Speaker 1: good argument for that. I talked about that. I should

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Speaker 1: note I brought up that whole story about the woman

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Speaker 1: for a Hypatia magazine, um about you know, the feminist

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Speaker 1: so this there now suspending this uh, this Yale dean.

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Speaker 1: Um they are they're suspending her because they think she

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy too much. So when they're caught, they got to

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Speaker 1: story we will be keeping an eye on as it

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