Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast.
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Speaker 2: edition of Around the NFL, the podcast that has everything
Speaker 2: concerning the twenty twenty three NFL Draft covered and doing
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Speaker 1: As you just heard there the zum drop.
Speaker 2: Dan Hans is here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal scattered across
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Speaker 3: Hey boys, you know, most podcasts I think would just
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Speaker 3: after hitting four home runs in the World Series. We
Speaker 3: show up the next day and hit another couple.
Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 4: I feel like my physical body is still sort of
Speaker 4: in recovery mode from that live stream, but you know,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, once they got you know, once I got to
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Speaker 2: after the heat wave that struck that specific studio, I
Speaker 2: was able to reflect upon what was a very successful
Speaker 2: Thursday for our podcast. The live stream did really really
Speaker 2: good numbers and showed that you guys, the listeners are
Speaker 2: interested in that experience when it comes to our show.
Speaker 2: So that is something we have filed away for future
Speaker 2: use potentially. And of course you knew we were going
Speaker 2: to bring in the podcast Goodness as well on Thursday.
Speaker 2: And now Saturday comes as the draft comes to an end.
Speaker 2: Seven rounds in the book, roughly seven hundred more compensatory
Speaker 2: picks in the books. And now we break down a
Speaker 2: draft that Greg, I know you're a big fan. I
Speaker 2: know you see it as potentially now problematic, but at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's got some juice to it. It's
Speaker 2: got your brand connected to it. The trades tsunami forty
Speaker 2: one trades by last count connected to this draft, which
Speaker 2: is a new record. So GM's are more brash than
Speaker 2: ever when it comes to wheeling and dealing and this
Speaker 2: exciting time of year.
Speaker 3: I like it, but I also don't want to hear
Speaker 3: anymore in March that it's like, oh my gosh, my heavens,
Speaker 3: I would never give up a fourth round pick for
Speaker 3: Stefan Gilmour, Like, who would do that? Then we get
Speaker 3: into the draft and the Patriots are like trading multiple
Speaker 3: picks to move up to take like a small school kicker,
Speaker 3: and no one gives a shit.
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa whoa Whoahoa. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to that. Why would nobody give this is exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying they don't care about the pics. It's
Speaker 5: not about the kickers.
Speaker 3: I just mean, Okay, the Saints then just they have
Speaker 3: some guy they want, Like the Lions moved up from
Speaker 3: the fifth to the third and just gave up all
Speaker 3: these picks for a guy no one was gonna take.
Speaker 3: Probably anyways, just like once they get here, they lose
Speaker 3: the value of the picks.
Speaker 4: It is the straight like a strange hoarding event inside
Speaker 4: the NFL calendar, because the mentality seems to completely change,
Speaker 4: to your point, from the boundaries outside the draft, where
Speaker 4: it's like the idea of trading draft picks in the
Speaker 4: inside itself inside the weekend becomes this like flurry of activity,
Speaker 4: totally bizarre.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: So We're going to go through, as we do every year,
Speaker 2: the winners and losers of the twenty twenty three NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking about when I was going through
Speaker 2: it in my mind how.
Speaker 1: To best handle it. I feel weird about really getting after.
Speaker 2: Draft classes where it's like, oh, that guy was a
Speaker 2: weird fit there or weird pick, because it's so it
Speaker 2: seems like a fool's errand to try to really guess
Speaker 2: how these draft classes are going to play. But also
Speaker 2: you can look at what the needs of of of
Speaker 2: a team or how things were handled. I know, Mark,
Speaker 2: you have something on your plate that you're going to
Speaker 2: share with us a little bit later about how some
Speaker 2: teams kind of presented themselves during and after the draft,
Speaker 2: and so we're gonna share some winners and losers, and
Speaker 2: we are you are going to share that, right.
Speaker 4: Mark, I am planning to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a tease in the industry. Right.
Speaker 3: My list is mostly winners, Like I have an article
Speaker 3: on NFL dot com too, and it's I could have
Speaker 3: just made it winners of the NFL Draft. You like
Speaker 3: some things better than others, and you kind of Jimmy
Speaker 3: Rigg some losers in there, but it's just like, ye
Speaker 3: better than others.
Speaker 2: Well said exactly, So we'll give you. We'll try to
Speaker 2: give you both sides of the spectrum. But I think
Speaker 2: part of The good thing about the draft, and we
Speaker 2: talked about it with Damashek during the live stream, is
Speaker 2: that it is an optimistic time of year, so we're
Speaker 2: gonna dig into it.
Speaker 1: I can get it going. I'm gonna go with a
Speaker 1: winner here in.
Speaker 2: A broad sense, the AFC South, I think the AFC
Speaker 2: South has been a bit of a chore the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, and we've all had to suffer through
Speaker 2: some lean years. We've had to suffer through some you know,
Speaker 2: not so hot Thursday night football games through the years,
Speaker 2: and that could be about to change, or at the
Speaker 2: very least, the division, to me, has some much needed intrigue.
Speaker 2: Now we already had Trevor Lawrence and a rising operation
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, but now we have C. J. Stroud and
Speaker 2: Will Anderson in Houston, and that team seemingly pointing in
Speaker 2: a new direction, a positive direction. Anthony Richardson bringing his
Speaker 2: completely unique athleticism to the QB position in Indianapolis. And
Speaker 2: by the way, Jim Irsay spoke with I think Judy Patista,
Speaker 2: our own Judy Patista, and he said, hey, they planned
Speaker 2: to play Anthony Richardson this year, Start Anthony Richardson this
Speaker 2: year and Ersay, because he's jim Irsay also said, hey,
Speaker 2: we would have taken him if we had the number
Speaker 2: one overall pick. And he also said, and this is
Speaker 2: the sliding doors. Yeah, jim Irs likes to talk the
Speaker 2: sliding doors of the NFL draft that if Richardson was
Speaker 2: taken before they were on the board, they might have
Speaker 2: taken will Levis, who went later. Speaking of will Levis,
Speaker 2: even the Titans, there's some juice with the Titans who
Speaker 2: trade up in the second round for will Levis and
Speaker 2: now he's now positioned as the air apparent at QB
Speaker 2: with a chip on his shoulder the size of Nashville
Speaker 2: after that first round free fall. So I'm not saying
Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, we're gonna have AFC South
Speaker 2: dominating their conference, but there's a little juice there now,
Speaker 2: and hey, that's overdue.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think you know, it was a year
Speaker 4: ago we were talking about the AFC West as this
Speaker 4: newly formed division with you had Patrick Mahoonmes but Russell Wilson,
Speaker 4: who we did not think was going to fall off
Speaker 4: a human cliff the way he did, and it was
Speaker 4: like the human cliff. Yeah, we cannot watch, cannot wait
Speaker 4: to watch these AFC West games all season long, and
Speaker 4: it didn't pan out. So I guess I come out
Speaker 4: of any draft weekend with a fair amount of cynicism
Speaker 4: that half of this won't work out. But that said,
Speaker 4: like the tone of the AFC South and the hope
Speaker 4: around it, and the fact that we're not going to
Speaker 4: know right away that for the next couple of years,
Speaker 4: like these young quarterbacks going up against each other will
Speaker 4: become one of the more intriguing flip flops in all
Speaker 4: of the NFL, because the AFC South has been largely
Speaker 4: largely unwatchable at least portions of it for big chunks
Speaker 4: of the time that we've been doing this podcast. And
Speaker 4: you've suddenly plopped like three super intriguing young quarterbacks into
Speaker 4: the mix on teams that are growing before our eyes.
Speaker 4: And the fourth is Trevor Lawrence and the Jaguars, who,
Speaker 4: depending on how things go, could be a genuine AFC
Speaker 4: title game threat. So I'm with you on this right.
Speaker 3: I'm totally selfish in that there's no way that these
Speaker 3: moves don't make them more interesting, and that's all I
Speaker 3: really care about. They're going to make them more watchable.
Speaker 3: The Colts are going to be extremely watchable. I believe
Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson, the Texans at least have a vision,
Speaker 3: a direction. They've just kind of been wasting time for
Speaker 3: two years, and they are going to make these ten
Speaker 3: AM games more watchable. It's funny that these teams, you know,
Speaker 3: some juice at the moment that they've taken away the
Speaker 3: requirements that you have to have a primetime game now
Speaker 3: because they're still probably not getting many primetime games yet,
Speaker 3: they're gonna, you know, the networks are gonna wait.
Speaker 5: Amazon's wanting gonna.
Speaker 3: Wait to see if they actually start winning games, Jacksonville
Speaker 3: be in primetime. I don't know if Anthony Richardson and
Speaker 3: Stroud will much, but it'll be good picks for us
Speaker 3: in our preview drafts. And what they did over the
Speaker 3: weekend too made me more excited.
Speaker 5: Houston.
Speaker 3: You know, there were all these little receivers that were
Speaker 3: available in this draft. Josh Downs went to the Colts.
Speaker 3: He reminds me so much of Hunter Renfro and now
Speaker 3: you kind of think of like a little jitterbug over
Speaker 3: the middle getting open. And then what Richardson does well,
Speaker 3: which is I think throw the ball deep to the outside,
Speaker 3: and he's got Alec Pierce and he's got Pittman on
Speaker 3: the outside, and it's like, Okay, you're putting something together
Speaker 3: here with a running game that as Jonathan Taylor, that's
Speaker 3: gonna be tough to stop. And then you look at
Speaker 3: the Texans who are expecting to get John Metchi back
Speaker 3: their second round pick from a year ago, who had
Speaker 3: that battle with cancer, but he is expected to play.
Speaker 5: And they took Tanked, who was my.
Speaker 3: Favorite of all those small receivers, the man with the
Speaker 3: hootzpa to be like five seven and call himself Tank,
Speaker 3: who a lot of people thought the forty times that
Speaker 3: people just missed on that because he just plays so fast.
Speaker 5: And so both of these.
Speaker 3: Teams kind of added fun pieces during the draft too,
Speaker 3: along with the quarterbacks, and they're just going to be
Speaker 3: more fun that there's like a point to them this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there a team that's a bigger wild card at
Speaker 2: least on the offensive side of the ball than Indianapolis now?
Speaker 2: And I think that's if you're a Colts fan, you're
Speaker 2: really excited because you've went through this post Andrew luck Era,
Speaker 2: we don't need to go through the quarterbacks again, but
Speaker 2: they went through veteran after veteran after veteran, bottoming out
Speaker 2: with Matt Ryan who didn't have much left. And now
Speaker 2: you go to the what's the opposite of Matt Ryan,
Speaker 2: like twenty twenty two Matt Ryan, it's Richardson and what
Speaker 2: he brings. And I want to see Jonathan Taylor. Let's
Speaker 2: not forget what Jonathan Taylor did in twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: when he had like a Jamal Charles in his prime
Speaker 2: type season, just dominant player before his ankle got jacked
Speaker 2: up and he was not the same player all season.
Speaker 2: Think about that offensive line that was seen as like this,
Speaker 2: like absolute stone cold lock is one of the better
Speaker 2: lines in football, and then they had injuries and strange
Speaker 2: ineffectiveness with some suspect coaching.
Speaker 1: What if that comes back together? You know, if.
Speaker 2: Richardson hits the ground running, watch out. This team could
Speaker 2: really really shock people in the AFC this season. And
Speaker 2: I know the conference is loaded, but could one of
Speaker 2: these teams hit the ground running as a young team.
Speaker 2: Absolutely so AFC South, you got some juice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd also say just it's not a knock on
Speaker 4: Frank Reich, but we like the match of Shane Steichen
Speaker 4: with Anthony Richardson and the Texans to me, who have
Speaker 4: gone through a complete chaos, complete chaos with coaches over
Speaker 4: the past two years. Like I think Tomko Ryans is
Speaker 4: going to be someone that, like a season from now
Speaker 4: we look and see like he completely gave the Texans
Speaker 4: like a different kind of vibe and identity, and so
Speaker 4: there's more like there's some coaching intrigue as well. Where
Speaker 4: I mean before, I just it was hard to take
Speaker 4: the Texans serious no matter what they were doing because
Speaker 4: they've been wandering through a total abyss for the past
Speaker 4: three seasons.
Speaker 3: But they think they're gonna be good and they sort
Speaker 3: of have to be good with that trade they made
Speaker 3: for Will Anderson. It's a little bit of a subplot
Speaker 3: Cardinals fans can enjoy this year. Rooting against the Texans
Speaker 3: is always fun when you have a first round pick
Speaker 3: of another team. The fact that they gave up that
Speaker 3: first round pick for Anderson, that could be, you know,
Speaker 3: based on their previous history, a top five pick, a
Speaker 3: top three pick. So I think they believe that they're
Speaker 3: going to be better than most people think, or else
Speaker 3: they would not give up that pick. Plus a second
Speaker 3: round pick this year top of the second, like the
Speaker 3: very first pick, essentially the second and the third round pick.
Speaker 3: The more time I've had to think about that trade,
Speaker 3: I think it was kind of insane. And Will Anderson
Speaker 3: almost has to be a Hall of Fame player to
Speaker 3: make it worth it. But that they believe in it,
Speaker 3: and if he is that type of player, no one's
Speaker 3: gonna honk.
Speaker 2: Then That's what I'm talking about with I don't like
Speaker 2: winners and losers exercises with the draft, Well, we just
Speaker 2: don't know yet because Will Anderson could be an absolute
Speaker 2: dominant player, and then it makes all the sense in
Speaker 2: the world. We need to see him play play my
Speaker 2: one last point before we move on to the next winner.
Speaker 2: Regarding the Colts, one other thing that's like, keep an
Speaker 2: eye on this. Jim Irsay had a pretty wild season
Speaker 2: as team owner last year, and after years of you know,
Speaker 2: you're not necessarily connecting him to the way his dad
Speaker 2: handled running a football team. It was Jeff Saturday was
Speaker 2: the head coach last year, and it's like, how involved
Speaker 2: is he going to be now with this young, explosive,
Speaker 2: completely unpredictable entity at quarterback With Gardner minshew a respected
Speaker 2: veteran behind him. How much of his hands will be
Speaker 2: in the mix with a rookie head coach. The cults
Speaker 2: are interesting to me on multiple levels.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it there.
Speaker 4: I mean, Ersa seems to bubble up the most when
Speaker 4: the team is struggling, because you could look at most
Speaker 4: of Frank Reich's tenure and say that Ersay wasn't like
Speaker 4: a meddaling nightmare on a week to week basis. I mean,
Speaker 4: things got real crazy and he took control of his
Speaker 4: property essentially. But things are working, and if Anthony Richardson's
Speaker 4: working out, he goes back to delightful little tweets and
Speaker 4: strange tweets and maybe not too much more. Hopefully that's
Speaker 4: the hope for Colts fans. The other one, the other reality,
Speaker 4: is that he's just going all in. He's doing the
Speaker 4: George Stein runner in nineteen eighty five move.
Speaker 5: I mean, we shall Levis.
Speaker 3: The Levis tweet he sent out before round two was
Speaker 3: one of the most insane things I've ever seen. That
Speaker 3: he sent a tweet out to all the fans, should
Speaker 3: we draft Will Levis tonight?
Speaker 5: You know, the day of round two.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if he was trying to mess
Speaker 3: with Like, I don't know what he was doing, probably
Speaker 3: nothing important, but while we're in the AMC South, we should.
Speaker 2: Think he crossed the rubicon. Greg, That's my I'm wondering
Speaker 2: if that's what happened last year.
Speaker 5: What was that? Maybe he was trying I want it
Speaker 5: to happen right, Maybe the Titans.
Speaker 3: He didn't want the Titans to take Levis, uh, and
Speaker 3: the Titans did, and the Titans traded up for him.
Speaker 3: Like I think that made sense that for where the
Speaker 3: Titans got Levis and where they are, and I called
Speaker 3: Levis a similar prospect to Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 5: It does make you just curious to watch.
Speaker 3: They're a team we'll talk about plenty in August because
Speaker 3: of Levis's presence there and because they took Taji Spears
Speaker 3: like the next running back to replace Derek Henry. Like
Speaker 3: those two guys still feel a little precarious or at
Speaker 3: the very least like the last year they'll be in Tennessee.
Speaker 6: There is what's up justin We'll also talk about them
Speaker 6: a lot because of me. Right, Well, it's your an accident.
Speaker 2: Because of you and that rotating Titans helmet with your
Speaker 2: remote setup which I cannot get enough of.
Speaker 1: I just love it.
Speaker 6: Justin thanks.
Speaker 1: How do you feel, by the way, how do you
Speaker 1: feel big picture right now about the Titans.
Speaker 6: I feel like, if will Levis is a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 6: it's a home run draft and nothing else matters. If
Speaker 6: will Evis sucks. The fact that they came out of
Speaker 6: this draft without addressing wide receiver until their very last pick,
Speaker 6: and without addressing cornerback when you have guys who've been
Speaker 6: injured a lot and like, you know, unknown future contrast
Speaker 6: Christian Fulton in the last year of his deal, Caleb
Speaker 6: Farley never been able to really stay healthy or play
Speaker 6: well well. I think it's a weird draft for the Titans.
Speaker 6: Maybe they you know, went with his best player available.
Speaker 1: Thing. Ty J.
Speaker 6: Spears, by the way, has like a crazy medical issue
Speaker 6: where apparently he doesn't have an ACL in one of
Speaker 6: his knees or something like that.
Speaker 5: So overrated two lane guys don't need acls.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hopefully, I hope it works out. Like I think
Speaker 6: they got guys that can be contributors. You know, even
Speaker 6: in year one, I would say start will Levis now,
Speaker 6: trade Ryan Tannehill at some point for a pick next year,
Speaker 6: because if you don't know that Will Levis is your
Speaker 6: guy going into next year's draft, when you have two
Speaker 6: expected really great quarterbacks and Caleb Williams and Drake May
Speaker 6: and other guys that could pop up at some point,
Speaker 6: you can't go into next year's draft like so committed
Speaker 6: to Will Levis because you don't know what he is
Speaker 6: yet that you pass on potentially your actual franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: So that's right.
Speaker 2: I'm at, let's stick a pin in the Titans tuck.
Speaker 2: So we're going to get back to them a little
Speaker 2: bit later. Mark, you want to throw out a winner.
Speaker 4: I will This to me came into full view during
Speaker 4: Day two of the draft, and you know his story.
Speaker 4: This is not a team that I've wanted to see thrive,
Speaker 4: but you just have to give in it. At some point.
Speaker 4: He's gonna do it because it's the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean,
Speaker 4: they kind of did also if they had been listening
Speaker 4: to me, which no front office should be spending a
Speaker 4: second doing. But I found that the two players that
Speaker 4: I kind of talked about a bunch before this draft,
Speaker 4: one of them was Joey Porter Junior. When I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I've already been down this road. Just if
Speaker 4: you're the Steelers, historically, go get the son of a
Speaker 4: great former Steeler and just swing for the fence and
Speaker 4: see if it works. I think it addressed a need.
Speaker 4: But also Joey Porter fell to them appropriately. They made
Speaker 4: the right choice. They went and got him. I loved
Speaker 4: them going and taking Broderick Jones in the first round
Speaker 4: a need again, but they went and got a tackle.
Speaker 4: I think that the New York Jets probably wanted right
Speaker 4: after him. And that's that line, which has been a
Speaker 4: problem for a couple of years, starts to become something
Speaker 4: that you can rely on. I thought they improved down
Speaker 4: the stretch over the course of last year. That whole
Speaker 4: offense is growing together. And then you add to the mix.
Speaker 4: One of the most fascinating players in the draft to
Speaker 4: me from a physical trades perspective, is Darnell Washington six
Speaker 4: foot seven. I think it might take him a little
Speaker 4: bit of time to get going. From a production standpoint,
Speaker 4: Danny's not probably going to fulfill the quest that you
Speaker 4: put out there for a tight end to come on
Speaker 4: and just set the world on fire.
Speaker 1: But can you.
Speaker 4: Imagine being like a smaller cornerback trying to take down
Speaker 4: six foot seven Darnell Washington in space on a pass
Speaker 4: from Kenny Pickett. I just kind of like, compared to
Speaker 4: where we were thirteen months ago before last year's draft,
Speaker 4: where the Steelers offense post Big Ben seemed like it
Speaker 4: was a fading, old school mess, has gotten a lot
Speaker 4: younger all over the place. I think there's a lot
Speaker 4: to like about the fact that they're growing together. You've
Speaker 4: added a new offensive tackle and a really freaky tight
Speaker 4: end that I cannot wait to watch. And Damaschek came
Speaker 4: on our show during the live stream and he talked
Speaker 4: about the Steelers as an eleven win team. That is
Speaker 4: a tall order in a super top heavy AFC. But
Speaker 4: Mike tom goes and wins seven, eight or nine games
Speaker 4: when you're in a so called rebuild, I don't think
Speaker 4: eleven wins. With the way that Omar Khan has just
Speaker 4: stepped right into GM and paved the road for the Steelers,
Speaker 4: it's not out of control. It's not out of control prediction,
Speaker 4: you know, with how as unpredictable as every season is,
Speaker 4: the Steelers always to me or a team that could
Speaker 4: be double digit win and right now, I like where
Speaker 4: they're going.
Speaker 3: They were that team that like kept taking the guy
Speaker 3: that was the highest one, like the consensus boards, like
Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah's board for instance, even in the fourth round
Speaker 3: when they took Nick Herbrig whose brother is on the team.
Speaker 3: They're so into brothers. It's a little it's a little
Speaker 3: too much. I think they sign Nate Herberg because they
Speaker 3: got Nate and Nicknaw.
Speaker 1: Calm down a little bit, Yeah, come down with the brothers.
Speaker 5: Calm down with the Suns.
Speaker 3: Although it was worth your right taking Joey Porter just
Speaker 3: for the picture of Joey Porter seeing you're holding Joey
Speaker 3: Porter on the field at the Super Bowl, when when
Speaker 3: they wont like that alone, it's worth it.
Speaker 2: I mean they were going to use that photo no matter.
Speaker 2: Would have been a cool but it's even cool area.
Speaker 5: Why they wouldn't have Why would they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, father and son, you know, legacy. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they wouldn't have.
Speaker 4: The there had a lot to loaded in the truck.
Speaker 4: Of course they're going to use it.
Speaker 3: Like they they went and got pick it last year
Speaker 3: in a weird quarterback draft. And if you're not going
Speaker 3: to have a like ultra talented freak of a quarterback,
Speaker 3: you build up the group around him, and that's a
Speaker 3: good looking group right now. I mean, you have Darnel
Speaker 3: Washington as your wide receiver too, as your tight end
Speaker 3: two now, and I'm not really counting on anything but
Speaker 3: from Alan Robinson, but they're they're good enough at wide
Speaker 3: receiver even without Alan Robinson doing much.
Speaker 5: I think that's a fun team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we and we talked about the idea of their
Speaker 2: running game finally getting some teeth to it with improved
Speaker 2: line play. And you know, don't forget a Pat Fryarmouth
Speaker 2: who was a just outside the top five amongst all
Speaker 2: tight ends last year and receptions and receiving yards playing
Speaker 2: with a rookie quarterback. So yeah, I think Washington, who
Speaker 2: again six ' seven, two sixty four, he's basically built
Speaker 2: like Aaron Judge, is going to go out there, and
Speaker 2: even if he's not immediately an offense of terror, who
Speaker 2: knows if he ever develops into that, he seems like
Speaker 2: somebody who could kick some ass in the blocking game
Speaker 2: at the very least, and some two tight end sets.
Speaker 2: So yeah, late in the third round, that feels that's
Speaker 2: I feel like when you get late in the third round,
Speaker 2: fourth round, fifth round, start throwing the darts at like guys,
Speaker 2: that could be freaky.
Speaker 1: There you go, it's a good pick. I agree.
Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Steeler's got a lot of positive pop, and
Speaker 2: I know Sheck was very excited about it. But Sheck
Speaker 2: was gonna be excited no matter what. Let's face it, winner, Greg.
Speaker 3: I'll throw out a winner. Let's go Jordan Love. Let's
Speaker 3: go Mark Sessler too. You know, the Packers and Goody
Speaker 3: making Mark Sessler sandwiches, making Jordan Love happy. I don't
Speaker 3: think they're they're really making Aaron Rodgers upset by taking
Speaker 3: a bunch of second and third round like tight ends
Speaker 3: and receivers. But if that's a small bonus, something tells
Speaker 3: me Rogers isn't too plugged into like Day three, Day
Speaker 3: two of the Packers draft. But Luke Musgrave in the
Speaker 3: second round pass catching tight end who I didn't love
Speaker 3: just because he looks so upright, like how could he
Speaker 3: not get hurt? And he spent a lot of his
Speaker 3: college getting hurt. But smarter people than me, like land
Speaker 3: Zierlin like thought, you know he's as explosive and DJ
Speaker 3: liked him too as any tight end in the draft.
Speaker 3: You took a receiver, Jayden Reid also in the second round,
Speaker 3: and then they took Tucker Craft, so they just like
Speaker 3: went three straight receivers.
Speaker 5: Tucker Craft's a tight end as well, but.
Speaker 3: He was a guy from South Dakota State who I
Speaker 3: did get a chance to watch it, Like Greg Cosell
Speaker 3: could not stop gushing about as a Dallas Godder type
Speaker 3: of clone. So they're building their team in a certain way.
Speaker 3: I think it was interesting that they went they doubled
Speaker 3: up a tight end specifically. I think they're going to
Speaker 3: be a run based team with a lot of aj
Speaker 3: Dillon and a lot of two tight end sets, a
Speaker 3: lot of Aaron Jones, and I just like that. Yes,
Speaker 3: you took Lucas van Ness, which was such a Packers
Speaker 3: pick in the first round, but you didn't overlook Love
Speaker 3: and then you knew Sessler had Sandwiches on the line,
Speaker 3: so you took another receiver in the fifth round, don
Speaker 3: Tavian Wicks.
Speaker 5: That's the man.
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't That's why I didn't take the
Speaker 2: pick because it was Nebulos.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, and another one was somebody.
Speaker 3: Coming lay in the round two fifty six, Round seven,
Speaker 3: pick thirty nine, I missed that one too. Chevy's own
Speaker 3: granted both, so they went way over for and yeah,
Speaker 3: You're you're bound a hit one.
Speaker 4: It's I can only imagine that these sandwich props that
Speaker 4: we boil up are massive talking points inside various team
Speaker 4: buildings and probably triggering thought processes. So I'm with you
Speaker 4: that they were listening to that. But I you know
Speaker 4: what I think about like Matt Lafleur, who for his
Speaker 4: entire run in Green Bay and it's been successful outside
Speaker 4: of January. I mean, you kind of were under held
Speaker 4: hostage to do exactly what Aaron Rodgers wanted to do
Speaker 4: on offense.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: The big part of it was like Aaron Rodgers is
Speaker 4: going to freestyle a little bit, but in general, the
Speaker 4: offense has to be something that he's happy with, that's
Speaker 4: catered around him outside of not drafting picks for him.
Speaker 4: So they went and got a bunch of new guys
Speaker 4: around love, which I mean a just makes sense. They
Speaker 4: needed help at these positions. It wasn't like a vanity
Speaker 4: project necessarily, but they went and did it. But I
Speaker 4: think that with the two tight ends and what they
Speaker 4: could do, like maybe Lafleur is a chance to put
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a personal stamp on altering
Speaker 4: what they do around a different type of quarterback. So
Speaker 4: for me, the Packers, who've sort of been the same
Speaker 4: thing since like twenty ten and even before that for
Speaker 4: a thousand years with Brett Favre, I'm not sure they'll
Speaker 4: be better. I'm just weirdly more intrigued by them than
Speaker 4: I ever have been before, and I feel I like
Speaker 4: the idea of a completely fresh start.
Speaker 2: And stick a pin in that thought, because coming up
Speaker 2: later this week or next week, we'll do our around
Speaker 2: the AFC and NFC in forty eight minutes and we'll
Speaker 2: kind of dig into the post mortem of the draft
Speaker 2: and looking ahead of what.
Speaker 1: Things mean for these teams.
Speaker 2: All Right, we got more winners to get to, a
Speaker 2: couple losers to get to, but first to break. All right,
Speaker 2: we're back, all right, GREGI how about a winner?
Speaker 5: All right, let's go a Lions. They had a weird Thursday.
Speaker 1: Let's just be real.
Speaker 3: I heard some speculation from a couple places that they
Speaker 3: were a little bit like the fantasy draft, you know,
Speaker 3: manager at pick six that's spun out, because they totally
Speaker 3: expected the whole time to take Devin Witherspoon. No one
Speaker 3: thought the Seahawks were taking Devin Witherspoon. It just felt
Speaker 3: like a chock pick. And then suddenly you're trading out
Speaker 3: not getting good value at all. From going six to twelve.
Speaker 3: If you look to the trade jar and you take
Speaker 3: Jamir Gibbs there, I like the Jack Campbell pick. Fine,
Speaker 3: he definitely fits in need, maybe as a higher ceiling.
Speaker 3: But after day one, and this is what happens when
Speaker 3: you're Brad Holmes and you just stack all these picks,
Speaker 3: you're gonna end up looking good. I mean, they had
Speaker 3: six picks in the first three rounds and the next
Speaker 3: four to me were really intriguing. Brian Branch, who they
Speaker 3: traded up to get ahead of the Patriots. Maybe the
Speaker 3: Patriots were taking Brian Branch. He just felt like a
Speaker 3: Patriots player like Nick Sabans. Binky just can do everything,
Speaker 3: kind of a Chauncey Gardner Johnson type. And they have
Speaker 3: Chauncey Gardner Johnson already there, but man, that secondary is versatile.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be smart, he's gonna be there forever. They
Speaker 3: took my favorite tight end in the draft in terms
Speaker 3: of like a value in Sam Laporta, but I don't
Speaker 3: even know if it's a value anymore because they took
Speaker 3: him over Michael Mayer, which is kind of wild. But
Speaker 3: man Laporta is athletic, and it's too easy to compare
Speaker 3: him to Kittle because he's from Iowa. But I just
Speaker 3: think he's going to be a big playmaker. And then
Speaker 3: you wait for Hendon Hooker until the third round, and
Speaker 3: at that point, like that to me was the perfect
Speaker 3: spot to do it. I know he's it's crazy. He's
Speaker 3: only three years younger than Jared Goff, who's been in
Speaker 3: the league for eight years and has started a hundred games.
Speaker 3: But I still like the idea of having a young
Speaker 3: quarterback to develop. But when you take him in the
Speaker 3: third round, it's like not as much pressure that he's
Speaker 3: got to play anytime soon. If he just turns into
Speaker 3: a backup, who cares, that's fine. You just put spend
Speaker 3: a third round pick on it. So I kind of
Speaker 3: like what the Lions did if you add up all
Speaker 3: the three rounds and put it together. I mean, these
Speaker 3: are guys who are going to play for them, so
Speaker 3: there's still a team. Because Homes set this up so
Speaker 3: well with all these picks that got a lot better
Speaker 3: with six picks in the first three rounds, And I
Speaker 3: kind of like that he's doing things differently. He's not
Speaker 3: worried about the draft Cognacenti.
Speaker 4: I think it's like really easy for especially those of
Speaker 4: us that you jump onto the draft process a little
Speaker 4: bit later, and we're valuing positional need and positions in
Speaker 4: general over the players sometimes and like that. I think
Speaker 4: that contributed to their Thursday night looking a little wonky,
Speaker 4: and maybe it was, but also, and you know, this
Speaker 4: is where Hard Knocks helps a little bit. Like one
Speaker 4: of my big takeaways coming out of Hard Knocks was like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, this coaching staff is, for the first
Speaker 4: time that I can remember in Lion's history, is forward thinking.
Speaker 4: They they've shown they can develop players really well. So
Speaker 4: I thought what they did over Day two and Day
Speaker 4: three really just galvanized a roster that's already like a
Speaker 4: playoff level roster. And if and the one little thing
Speaker 4: is like Hendon Hooker is got a lot less of
Speaker 4: attention because of the injuries, a little bit older. But
Speaker 4: if that pick worked out and they fell in love
Speaker 4: with him and he replaced Jared Goff, and did that
Speaker 4: kind of seamlessly. A season from now, this draft looks
Speaker 4: incredible because if you suddenly hit on a later round quarterback,
Speaker 4: you look absolutely genius.
Speaker 2: I don't know Greg about Wines running a back his
Speaker 2: team around the NFL, but they remain.
Speaker 1: Highly juicy, lot of heat around Detroit.
Speaker 3: I would, I would do it, and it's it's despite
Speaker 3: being public number enemy number one on Twitter today because
Speaker 3: I sent some tweet about their backfield and Lions Twitter
Speaker 3: was not happy. I was basically like I said, Jamir
Speaker 3: Gibbs and David Montgomery, you know, because we'll get to
Speaker 3: the DeAndre Swift trader.
Speaker 5: I guess we can mention it now. They traded DeAndre
Speaker 5: Swift for.
Speaker 1: We will get to it in one moment week a little.
Speaker 3: Later, but for not watch And I just said, like,
Speaker 3: Gibbs in Montgomery, isn't that much better than Jamal Williams
Speaker 3: and Swift.
Speaker 5: I think that's fair.
Speaker 3: Like they're probably better, and if Gibbs turns into a
Speaker 3: huge hit, then they're a lot better. But I'm just
Speaker 3: assuming some picks work, some picks don't. I'm not a
Speaker 3: big David Montgomery fan. That was one of my least
Speaker 3: favorite signings of the offseason. To me, that's a wash
Speaker 3: with Jamal Williams, and it's just like you spent a
Speaker 3: lot of resources to kind of kind of upgrade your
Speaker 3: backfield when you were really productive as a running team anyway,
Speaker 3: So that was it. But I got I am getting
Speaker 3: severely ratioed to high head and someone what texted me
Speaker 3: about it and I wasn't aware, and it's something.
Speaker 2: That is I think there's also sometimes when those things happen,
Speaker 2: the fan base knows it too, and they're just defensive
Speaker 2: about it because they just wanted to be and Gibbs,
Speaker 2: like kind of the point guys were making about Bijeon
Speaker 2: with Atlanta on Thursday night. I think for that to
Speaker 2: make sense, like Gibbs has to be a monster, like
Speaker 2: he has to be a stud, and David Montgomery has
Speaker 2: to be healthy and work in another a really nice
Speaker 2: complimentary way. But I think it really goes back to
Speaker 2: you if you're going to use that. Everybody can talk
Speaker 2: about it, Oh finally running backs getting respect in the
Speaker 2: first round, sure, but you it has to be he
Speaker 2: can't be good, he has to be great, or you
Speaker 2: should have focused I think on using getting your roster
Speaker 2: better in other places and that's a neat seg to
Speaker 2: one of my losers.
Speaker 1: We mentioned that, we.
Speaker 2: Mentioned quickly there that they did make the move sending
Speaker 2: the talented, injury prone running back DeAndre Swift to the
Speaker 2: Eagles for a fourth round pick.
Speaker 5: I believe it was five, yeah, two years ago.
Speaker 2: And you know that in addition to their big Thursday
Speaker 2: Night where they brought in two defenders who are highly valued,
Speaker 2: Nolan Smith and Jalen Carter. Bringing those two gentlemen in
Speaker 2: and including all these other Georgia players that are entering
Speaker 2: the Fray over the last two years.
Speaker 1: Here's Peter Schrager.
Speaker 2: Late in the telecast on Saturday about something he heard
Speaker 2: regarding embittered general managers across the landscape.
Speaker 4: Oh, I love this.
Speaker 5: I talked to all the gms around the league. There
Speaker 5: is a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of like a all right, guys, everyone, you here's enough with.
Speaker 1: The Howie Rosemark the girls. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 3: That that this is like a media just showering all
Speaker 3: the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Did anyone in the Super Bowl? The teams in the NFC, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like there is there is a competitive nature amongst
Speaker 2: these other teams that this Eagle squad has been getting
Speaker 2: at a Howie mother, And you know, I'll give Daniel
Speaker 2: Jeremiah who you know, I got to give him. The
Speaker 2: whole crew on NFL Network did great, including Jeremiah throughout
Speaker 2: the weekend, and Daniel forty two of his fifty top
Speaker 2: fifty on his big board. Forty two came off the
Speaker 2: board in the first fifty picks, which I really think.
Speaker 1: His I hate saying this, guys, but.
Speaker 2: Jeremiah's become such a titan in this industry that I
Speaker 2: really think he's now able to kind of affect things
Speaker 2: on some level because gms and front offices care about
Speaker 2: what Daniel Jeremiah thinks. But he quickly responded to Schrager's
Speaker 2: reporting there or the conversations he had by saying, well,
Speaker 2: how about this. And we know, by the way, DJ
Speaker 2: has Eagles ties as well, so he was going to
Speaker 2: be a little jumpy on it. But still he says,
Speaker 2: I want to hear, go to those gms that you
Speaker 2: talk to and look at the Eagles roster and then
Speaker 2: look at that GM's roster and ask him if they
Speaker 2: would trade if they could, and then see how the
Speaker 2: conversation ends after that. I just got a it is
Speaker 2: a little the waterfall of celebration of Rosen, but he
Speaker 2: kind of earns it. And I think what he was
Speaker 2: able to do with Carter and Smith they won. And
Speaker 2: then the DeAndre Swift trade is the exact type of
Speaker 2: move that you want your GM to make, and he
Speaker 2: does that all the time. I feel like he makes
Speaker 2: those common sense moves to bring in players that have
Speaker 2: a lot of upside at a good cost. And here's
Speaker 2: an example of why he is so good. He brings
Speaker 2: in he gives up that fourth round pick, and if
Speaker 2: DeAndre Swift, when his contract runs up, leaves the team
Speaker 2: next year, they can get a fourth round compensatory pick back.
Speaker 2: So it becomes him essentially taking on DeAndre Swift, who
Speaker 2: is absolutely a monster when healthy and in the right offense,
Speaker 2: and he's not even giving up anything. And don't get
Speaker 2: mad because your GM doesn't think to do the same thing.
Speaker 4: I totally agree. And it's like it was a year
Speaker 4: ago that, without a lot of pre whispering around this,
Speaker 4: he pulls off the aj Brown trade that completely changes
Speaker 4: the development of Jalen Hurts, changes the other offense entirely,
Speaker 4: and it's like, Okay, Hoe Roseman is doing it year
Speaker 4: after year, there's a consistency to their front office, and
Speaker 4: they went through a post Doug Peterson rebuild that took
Speaker 4: what fourteen days. I mean, there was no dark ages
Speaker 4: for them. They turn around, change who they were, developed
Speaker 4: a quarterback and did it very quickly. So I do
Speaker 4: think that in general, it reminds me when we were
Speaker 4: at the Combine a couple of years ago and that
Speaker 4: like coaches Hotness Rankings list came out and yet a
Speaker 4: bunch of coaches grumbling about it because certain guys always
Speaker 4: get ranked high on that kind of a list by
Speaker 4: the subjective eye of many thinking this guy's hot or not,
Speaker 4: And like there's people just grumbling. It's kind of the
Speaker 4: same thing, like they do listen to this. I think
Speaker 4: the one thing you kind of just start to hear
Speaker 4: is like these guys read, listen to everything, follow Twitter.
Speaker 4: They know that the temperature out there and there probably
Speaker 4: is sort of a consensus that Howie Roseman's a little
Speaker 4: over celebrated, but no one logically could break it down
Speaker 4: and say he isn't being celebrated for the right reasons
Speaker 4: because he is. Because I think a year ago, like
Speaker 4: Les Snead was like this guy's changing the way the
Speaker 4: NFL works, and people are going to start to do
Speaker 4: things like the rams, then the rams fall off. A
Speaker 4: cliff who's talking about less sneed is still a very
Speaker 4: talented general manager, but he's not the sheic guy to
Speaker 4: discuss right now. It is Howie Roseman, And so if
Speaker 4: people are talking about you, that's the best thing. That's
Speaker 4: the best indicator that you're succeeding and damaging their goals.
Speaker 3: Right, the best they could come up with, Oh, he
Speaker 3: didn't win the Super Bowl, sorry, like they scored thirty
Speaker 3: five points in a holding call prevented them from going
Speaker 3: after it one more drive. I think I've always gotten
Speaker 3: the sense. I mean, people in the NFL don't love
Speaker 3: Howie Roseman because he's a short, non next player, different
Speaker 3: background from a lot of front offices, and he's been
Speaker 3: killing it.
Speaker 5: And so there's a lot of football guys it's short.
Speaker 1: Sure, I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna go with his background in general is just different.
Speaker 3: Let's just say that is that, you know, all that
Speaker 3: is different than a lot of the people running teams.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of football guys who who kind
Speaker 3: of see that, and they see the analytics department there too,
Speaker 3: as a threat and they kept the Georgia thing going.
Speaker 3: Kelly Ringo there, Kelley Ringo their fourth round pick up cornerback.
Speaker 3: Is if you go and look at like the preseason,
Speaker 3: like who's gonna get taken in the top twenty picks,
Speaker 3: top ten picks, he was all over that and he
Speaker 3: fell in the draft for various reasons. But it's like
Speaker 3: they take another Georgia guy who with a lot of
Speaker 3: talent at least that was kind of a boom er
Speaker 3: bust guy, and they get him late.
Speaker 5: They got value everywhere.
Speaker 2: Listen to this Georgia tidbit. A little over nine percent
Speaker 2: of the Eagles roster this year will be players drafted
Speaker 2: from Georgia in the last two years.
Speaker 1: Five out of fifty three.
Speaker 2: And by the way, that is funny and a little weird,
Speaker 2: but also like they like that program. That's a successful program.
Speaker 2: They so they see it as a football factory that
Speaker 2: the trust. And again it's kind of like not to
Speaker 2: dumb it down or flatten it, but it's like they
Speaker 2: have a process. He has a process, and sometimes you
Speaker 2: wish like your general manager would think this way as well.
Speaker 1: Like how do I make my team better?
Speaker 2: Oh, use the college program that pumps out consistently star
Speaker 2: defensive players. Oh, DeAndre Swift, he could be had at
Speaker 2: a very cheap price, and he he's from Jodover Miles
Speaker 2: sand Sanders Like yeah, oh my god, you're right, Like,
Speaker 2: I'll bring him in. I'll take him in. Oh if
Speaker 2: I do this the right way, I could even actually
Speaker 2: kind of get him for free. And I'm only paying
Speaker 2: him like one point seven to seven million this season.
Speaker 1: It's like awesome.
Speaker 5: So it's della be a nightmare for fantasy. Just stay
Speaker 5: away there.
Speaker 3: You were shot by any Kenneth Gainwell and DeAndre Swift, Like,
Speaker 3: I get it, Lions fans. DeAndre Swift will frustrate you
Speaker 3: going for the big play and he's gonna get hurt
Speaker 3: a lot, and he's an inconsistent player, but his numbers
Speaker 3: speak for themselves.
Speaker 5: He's very effective per touch.
Speaker 3: But between him gain one penny, it's like they'll all
Speaker 3: get hurt, but they'll all take turns being good.
Speaker 2: People sometimes sleep on howies too, just in general. And
Speaker 2: I know I know some howies and I know I
Speaker 2: know howes on both ends of the spectrum, like wildly
Speaker 2: impressive howies, and some howes are like very much like
Speaker 2: Well I don't know about that howie. He's on the
Speaker 2: positive end. Yeah, high variants, but he's one of the
Speaker 2: good howies.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're referring to? No, I didn't think so.
Speaker 1: All right, go on, how about you, Mark, What do
Speaker 1: you got? Winner loser? Throw it out there.
Speaker 4: Here's a team that I've been real tough on for
Speaker 4: the last year, the Cleveland Browns, and I think that
Speaker 4: this is a team that like basically had no draft capital,
Speaker 4: obviously because of Deshaun Watson. And that's the big question
Speaker 4: mark hanging out there, like what version of that player
Speaker 4: do you get this season after selling your soul for
Speaker 4: this quarterback? But one of the reasons they didn't have
Speaker 4: an extra pick this time around was because they went
Speaker 4: and got Elijah Moore. There is some projection here, but
Speaker 4: if Elijah Moore were out alongside of Mary Cooper and
Speaker 4: Donovan People's jones, I liked what they did After reading
Speaker 4: about this pick more and more. That gets Cedric Tilden,
Speaker 4: the wide receiver out of Tennessee's one of the bigger
Speaker 4: guys in the draft, sort of an archetypal X guy
Speaker 4: who I think fits with Amary Cooper and fits in
Speaker 4: that it suddenly that was a weakness last year. The
Speaker 4: wide receiver group was a weakness. They also were a
Speaker 4: team that were real soft up the middle of their defense,
Speaker 4: and they brought in Jim Schwartz as their coordinator, which
Speaker 4: I liked the coordinator switch in general. That was a
Speaker 4: problem all last year. But they were getting run on easy.
Speaker 4: I mean, there just was nothing in the middle. And
Speaker 4: they went and got Dalvin Tomlinson in free agency, but
Speaker 4: then drafted this guy, Siaki Ika, who is absolutely massive.
Speaker 4: He is like a three hundred and thirty five pound
Speaker 4: front door.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know what else he's gonna do for you
Speaker 4: in general, but it's kind of like described as a
Speaker 4: guy that makes things easier for other people around him.
Speaker 4: And so this guy, along with Tomlinson gives you that's
Speaker 4: sort of what Jim Schwartz wants in the middle of
Speaker 4: his defense. So I like that. And then they went
Speaker 4: and got Dwan Jones the offensive tackle because Jedrick Wills,
Speaker 4: I think it's a real question market left tackle that
Speaker 4: did not work out post Joe Thomas the way that
Speaker 4: they've wanted, and I think this is a big season
Speaker 4: for him and Dwan Jones down at a number one
Speaker 4: hund and eleven is we'll see if he can play.
Speaker 4: But if he did, and you got an offensive tackle
Speaker 4: right there, it's another potential need. And so without a
Speaker 4: lot of draft capital, I thought Andrew Berry, after a
Speaker 4: kind of a rough year, put together a good draft
Speaker 4: with what their resources were.
Speaker 5: I had them down as a winner too.
Speaker 3: Totally agree, partly because I'm just I did my wide
Speaker 3: receiver rankings on Twitter, really making people talk, making people think,
Speaker 3: and Cedric Tillman was very high on that list.
Speaker 5: I loved his tape.
Speaker 3: He just looks like a guy who I'd rather have
Speaker 3: than all these little receivers that were taken in this
Speaker 3: draft that I think can be productive.
Speaker 5: I had him as the fourth receiver.
Speaker 3: And I kind of liked that they took Dorian Thompson
Speaker 3: Robinson too, a pretty much the consensus QB six in
Speaker 3: this draft, who has a lot of good tape out there.
Speaker 3: Fifth round, you maybe get a back up quarterback who
Speaker 3: knows you know sewn well, I guess you're stuck with
Speaker 3: the Shawn Watson Forever.
Speaker 1: De Shaun Watson was on Twitter spaces.
Speaker 2: He did an interview this week end, it appears, and
Speaker 2: he had the quote, you can't define my career off
Speaker 2: of six games, and went on to talk about how
Speaker 2: he sees the Browns as a team that could sneak
Speaker 2: up and surprise a lot of people the way the
Speaker 2: Eagles did last year.
Speaker 1: We shall see, but yeah, there's a obviously a big year. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He also at one point, I don't know if it
Speaker 4: was on this space's Q and A, but at one
Speaker 4: point over the last three or four days, talked about
Speaker 4: the fact that Elijah Mora Elijah Moore to escape the
Speaker 4: toxic culture in New York. It's like, who are we, like,
Speaker 4: can we maybe chill out on describing cultures and teams
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 5: Watson?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll let his comments stand on their own on that.
Speaker 3: Right, they did, They did get better without a ton
Speaker 3: of like easy resources. I think Daywon Jones is as
Speaker 3: a freak of nature too. How how how big that
Speaker 3: dude is. So it's a fair It's a good enough
Speaker 3: point by Watson that you can't judge like I've been
Speaker 3: killing him based on those six games. Those six games
Speaker 3: were so much worse than any six games he had
Speaker 3: ever played ever, like in college or the pros. As
Speaker 3: a six games table that I think it's it's truly concerning,
Speaker 3: but it's also fair to point out, like you can't
Speaker 3: judge his entire career off of that, and we'll see.
Speaker 5: I think they've set him up to succeed.
Speaker 1: Mark, Do you have another one?
Speaker 4: I have a loser for now, because you know, I
Speaker 4: think there was some buzz around DeAndre Hopkins leaving a
Speaker 4: terrible situation in Arizona. I think it can still happen,
Speaker 4: but kind of every time Rap Sheep talks about it,
Speaker 4: it's like it's not about to happen. There's nothing really
Speaker 4: on the horizon. I thought there was a world where
Speaker 4: he became like a Patriots wide receiver this weekend or
Speaker 4: somewhere else, and it's not come to fruition. And right now,
Speaker 4: if you're DeAndre Hopkins, or you're or anyone on that offense,
Speaker 4: your career is just put on hold. You don't have
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray. I don't love that team in general. I
Speaker 4: think it's probably the worst roster in the league. And
Speaker 4: you've got a truly star wide out that someone's gonna
Speaker 4: want at some point, but he's tough to trade, and
Speaker 4: he's tough to trade for. Even the Cardinals we talked
Speaker 4: about this because they don't get a lot for it.
Speaker 4: I know they probably want to move on from him
Speaker 4: just for the sake of it. But there's stuck pain
Speaker 4: so much of his salary that I think it maybe
Speaker 4: wasn't as easy a trade like to finesse this weekend,
Speaker 4: and so we sort of stuck in abstentia wondering what
Speaker 4: will happen with his twenty twenty three season.
Speaker 3: I do, Yeah, I think veteran trades in general was
Speaker 3: like a loser. You know, Hopkins, Dalvin Cook, Zadaria Smith, Derrick, Henry, Ryan, Tannehill,
Speaker 3: Mac Jones, Trey Lance, Courtland Sutton, Jerry Judy, like all
Speaker 3: these guys you thought maybe could go. Not much really happened,
Speaker 3: Like the swift move came up during the draft and
Speaker 3: then happened quickly. Some of those guys, I think maybe
Speaker 3: one of the Broncos receivers and maybe Hopkins could make
Speaker 3: sense in August. The others I'm not sure about. I
Speaker 3: think that more most of those guys will probably just
Speaker 3: stave at this point. Yeah, I don't think Hopkins or
Speaker 3: a guy like that's gonna get moved. That said, I
Speaker 3: think the Cardinals were winners weren't they They loaded up
Speaker 3: on picks for twenty like they did a nice job
Speaker 3: moving around the board where they sort of won each
Speaker 3: one of those trades. And they have two first round
Speaker 3: picks including the Texans next year, two third round picks,
Speaker 3: like they loaded up for next year. I think they
Speaker 3: did a good job without really losing any picks this year.
Speaker 2: Still makes sense to trade Hopkins, I would think, though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if it's because of his
Speaker 2: is his market? Sometimes we see a veteran and we
Speaker 2: assume he as a market and then it turns out
Speaker 2: he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Is that really the case?
Speaker 2: Like, is this gonna end with Howie Roseman trading for
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins and giving up a fifth round pick?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like there just has to
Speaker 1: be value. And I know they came out even strong.
Speaker 2: And last Thursday and on Thursday night and said, you know,
Speaker 2: he wasn't going anywhere, But I don't know, Maybe I
Speaker 2: still think the shoe could drop there.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: I think also once once we get players back on
Speaker 4: the field and a couple injuries hit here and there
Speaker 4: are a lot of the veterans that Greg mentioned might
Speaker 4: become more feasible to move, Greg, I would agree with
Speaker 4: you that I think that if you're the Cardinals or
Speaker 4: you're a Cardinals fan, you got to put this year
Speaker 4: and on hold and look at it through a different lens.
Speaker 4: And at least they loaded up for next year. And
Speaker 4: this is a this is a tank season. They're not
Speaker 4: going to call it that. We're not allowed to say that.
Speaker 4: But if there's a chance Kyler Murray doesn't even play
Speaker 4: this year, if they don't want, what's the worth to
Speaker 4: playing him if he's coming off this injury. So it's
Speaker 4: like it could be a complete mail in job. But
Speaker 4: then you've loaded up for next offseason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something pff move. Timo Risk on Twitter, you know,
Speaker 3: posted this chart of trade value gained in the draft,
Speaker 3: and the Cardinals actually even passed the Bears in terms
Speaker 3: of how much surplus like money and value that they
Speaker 3: picked up, even though the Bears traded down from one
Speaker 3: and those two teams were let's see, about three and
Speaker 3: a half times more than any other team in the league.
Speaker 3: So they just put they've got a ton of resources.
Speaker 3: And they didn't do it by like getting rid of
Speaker 3: this draft either. They filled needs and took some good
Speaker 3: players in this draft too, So I like that they
Speaker 3: are setting up for the tank and that Texans pick. Man,
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're gonna be rooting against the Texans
Speaker 3: and hoping like that that's a top five pick two
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 2: There's always one trade or two trades that you go
Speaker 2: into the ensuing season like keep an eye on that
Speaker 2: and what that can do to the draft board. That
Speaker 2: is certainly the case they you go, Cardinals fans, you
Speaker 2: know it's been there's some negativity or a critical discussion
Speaker 2: of your team on the show in recent weeks and months.
Speaker 1: But nice weekend. There we go. The sun will come out.
Speaker 2: Maybe not tomorrow, sun will come out in like two
Speaker 2: years something like that.
Speaker 1: It's all right, all right, take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: keep going. Welcome back. You know, we gotta go to
Speaker 1: the kicker club. We gotta go.
Speaker 2: You know why you talk about everybody's talking about the
Speaker 2: running backs getting some respect this year. How about two
Speaker 2: kickers going in the first one hundred and twelve picks
Speaker 2: of this strap, including a kicker going top one hundred,
Speaker 2: both my boys, Chad Ryland. The Patriots traded up to
Speaker 2: get Chad Ryland, moving up eight spots in round four
Speaker 2: to take the Maryland stud.
Speaker 1: With the Jicks.
Speaker 5: How do you feel about that? That jet feel grad
Speaker 5: with the Patriots.
Speaker 2: My love of and supportive the kickers and how important
Speaker 2: they are in our league supersedes.
Speaker 1: Anything, including my own family.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then Michigan's Jake.
Speaker 2: Moody, who was absolutely nails for the Wolverines. He gets
Speaker 2: picked by the Niners, you know, in operation that everyone
Speaker 2: respects in the third round, and it's like, when is
Speaker 2: the last time that happen? I'll tell you what it is,
Speaker 2: the highest a kicker has gone in the draft. Since
Speaker 2: we don't like to bring this name up. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm reading the Harry Potter books with the boys.
Speaker 2: I've told you I'm in book two now, and the
Speaker 2: main Baddie the antagonist early in the books, and I'm
Speaker 2: blanking on his name.
Speaker 1: But he's also known.
Speaker 2: As Voldemort Valdemort. He's known as the one who shall
Speaker 2: not be named. We do not like to bring up
Speaker 2: Roberto Aguaio's name around here. He is the one who
Speaker 2: shall not be named, the second round pick of the
Speaker 2: Bucks who was cut after one season. But that's the
Speaker 2: territory we're in. That the the Niners and it's usually
Speaker 2: a team that really is satisfied with their roster. And
Speaker 2: if we're gonna if we're gonna get on the Lions
Speaker 2: a little bit and be like, hey, or even the Falcons,
Speaker 2: you had a good running back. Why'd you had a
Speaker 2: running back? Robbie Gould is a great kicker. He's old,
Speaker 2: but a great kicker. But they bring in this kid Moody.
Speaker 2: And here is the here's the phone call from Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 2: Niners coach, to Jake Moody when they made him the
Speaker 2: ninety ninth overall pick.
Speaker 1: Courtesy of the Niners.
Speaker 5: Jake Congrassman, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you gotta know, you gotta know how high
Speaker 1: we think of you. Man. We just we didn't take
Speaker 1: a running back. We spend a third round pick on
Speaker 1: a kicker. So that shows you how we feel about you, don't.
Speaker 1: Let's go two funny things there.
Speaker 2: That's obviously the Niners like a little wink to people
Speaker 2: who it's a bit of a trope that the Niners
Speaker 2: just love taking those running backs every year. And I
Speaker 2: just thought it was funny because my son Jack does it,
Speaker 2: and all his second year old second grade buddies do
Speaker 2: it like, whether you're a boy or a competitive athlete
Speaker 2: in America now and beyond, you just say let's go
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Let's go.
Speaker 4: I hear that from my kids.
Speaker 2: Goop, absolutely, let's go, meg someone, you know, kick one
Speaker 2: through the rights, Let's go. You're playing, you're watching YouTube,
Speaker 2: you find a video you're like, let's go.
Speaker 6: Oh commercial where it's just him saying let's go in
Speaker 6: different ways and in the first like four like let's go,
Speaker 6: and the last one is like let's go, and it's
Speaker 6: some like car Rental commercial.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go is really it is what a pro
Speaker 2: culture right all the way down to elementary schools is
Speaker 2: dominated by let's go. But anyway back to it, big
Speaker 2: day for kickers when you get too in the top
Speaker 2: one twelve, and I like both picks. I do think
Speaker 2: it's just interesting San Francisco would had one of the
Speaker 2: best veteran incumbents and use the third round pick and
Speaker 2: a guy that I guess he'll be better, but you
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: And it was a couple episodes that we each announced
Speaker 4: like our guys in the draft, and I'd already picked
Speaker 4: Joey Porter, Greg, you took Taj Spears and Dan, you
Speaker 4: took Jake Moody, so you're your guy. Obviously, the NFL,
Speaker 4: or at least ONEFL team truly felt what you felt.
Speaker 4: I can't say I love the Niners' ability to draft
Speaker 4: much in this draft with what they had given up
Speaker 4: already with the Trey Land Steele. That situation going on
Speaker 4: the tree lance is weird. And I don't mind teams.
Speaker 4: I think the one thing that I'm funny about the draft,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, you would never draft a kicker, but
Speaker 4: then it's like eight out of ten teams seasons go
Speaker 4: totally on the brink when you get into that flux
Speaker 4: where you have to go find kickers off the streets.
Speaker 4: So if you go get the next version of Robbie Gould, like,
Speaker 4: the Niners are that much more consistent offense. So I
Speaker 4: don't hate the move if it works out, but I'm
Speaker 4: not I gotta say their draft in general, it's just
Speaker 4: there wasn't a lot of ability for them to be
Speaker 4: to do much and it's just kind of a low walk.
Speaker 4: If you look at the two teams in the NFC
Speaker 4: title game, like what the Eagles did in this draft
Speaker 4: and what the Niners were able to do. It's vastly different, right.
Speaker 2: I just think it's funny you said that, Mark, I
Speaker 2: go get the next version of Robbie Gold.
Speaker 1: You literally had Robbie Gold and I know.
Speaker 4: How old, because he's old. He's like what forty something.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't mean statistically, I didn't see a
Speaker 2: lot of slippage. I don't think he's ever missed a
Speaker 2: field goal in the playoffs ever.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a.
Speaker 3: Little crazy that, Like, because hackers replaced Mason Crosby, that
Speaker 3: was surprising, or they're gonna try to that was that
Speaker 3: was less surprising.
Speaker 5: That was a six round pick.
Speaker 3: The Patriots drafted a kicker, as you mentioned, they traded up.
Speaker 3: They have taken some kickers high. They took Goskowski in
Speaker 3: the fourth round. But they traded up for a kicker,
Speaker 3: and they still had Nick Folk, who was, you know,
Speaker 3: doing well. But both Gold and Folk aren't hitting those bombs.
Speaker 3: And Kyle Shanahan loves himself. He loves setting up for
Speaker 3: long field goals. Surprisingly, like you think of him as
Speaker 3: this aggressive guy and he loves kicking field goals.
Speaker 5: But you got to beat out Robbie Gold.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 3: The Patriots also drafted a punter. They drafted a kicker
Speaker 3: and a punter in the same draft with.
Speaker 2: Robbie Gold's a free agent Gregy he was on the graveyards. Okay,
Speaker 2: so they just they said, we're moving on. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe there's some more to that story.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't because of the decline, but well,
Speaker 3: he didn't he didn't have he didn't have much range.
Speaker 3: By the way, the Patriots punter, I saw his picture
Speaker 3: and it's hilarious. Like the last punter they drafted.
Speaker 5: Was didn't you have like.
Speaker 3: How do I put this white supremacy paraphernalia tattooed on
Speaker 3: his arms? That that didn't go well, kind of short
Speaker 3: circuit in his career. The guy they drafted this time,
Speaker 3: total opposite. Looks like he's brewing his own beer and
Speaker 3: like hosts like a horticulture podcast or something like that.
Speaker 5: I really, I really like this.
Speaker 2: So the Pats replaced there. They reboot the entire booting games.
Speaker 2: All right, Mark, you want to bring some negativity to
Speaker 2: the proceedings.
Speaker 4: Well I don't. I don't want to completely slash the Titans.
Speaker 4: So I think the gravedigger talked about the ways that
Speaker 4: this draft could be looked at positively, except I don't
Speaker 4: love what happened with first year general manager Ran Karthon
Speaker 4: in their post Peter Scaransi presser draft like he came out.
Speaker 4: Just let's play this clip and then I want to
Speaker 4: say Thursday night afterwards, Yeah.
Speaker 6: This was actually Friday. This was the day to press
Speaker 6: or recap after they didn't draft a wide receiver and
Speaker 6: kind of got grilled for it.
Speaker 7: Right, I just want to say something real quick, you know,
Speaker 7: today and as as yesterday, these kids are living their
Speaker 7: dreams right having their name called, you know, realizing the
Speaker 7: dream and being drafted. And I don't want these you know,
Speaker 7: interactions between us to always feel like we got to
Speaker 7: take a negative turn. And you know, this should be
Speaker 7: a joyous moment for us to praise these kids. This
Speaker 7: is a moment. These kids are going to see this,
Speaker 7: you know, and this is a moment for them and
Speaker 7: their families to rejoice, and you know, because it's only
Speaker 7: going to happen once, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like I get it. This is the first
Speaker 4: time that Carthon's had a you know, press conference after
Speaker 4: his first draft, and but there's something about all that
Speaker 4: that did not was not received well by some in
Speaker 4: the room, uh for being a little preachy, like Paul
Speaker 4: Kuharski's who's a friend of the show, and I think
Speaker 4: I love him as a Titans reporter because he's a
Speaker 4: little acerbic, a little more cynical.
Speaker 5: And anemy of the show. He wanted to take down
Speaker 5: Dan he was he.
Speaker 2: Was ridicle of the Tyitoons moniker. But he's a little
Speaker 2: bit brassy and he's a little different than other reporters
Speaker 2: and that's okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but peace was bridged during our time with him.
Speaker 4: If I recall and he said, if your confidence in
Speaker 4: the Titans is low, Mike Rabel, who usually does well
Speaker 4: to restore such things, didn't do a lot to reinforce
Speaker 4: it in that press conference, and Ran karth On gave
Speaker 4: some really poor answers, and then his second tweet, which
Speaker 4: was sort of a response to being preached at, was
Speaker 4: I'm not in kindergarten. If you draft a guy with
Speaker 4: a reputation for bad QB decision making, I'll be asking
Speaker 4: about it. You may have heard it's a soft media market.
Speaker 4: It's not going to be what you ask. Sorry, Titans,
Speaker 4: We'll see all this plays out. But there was something
Speaker 4: about the Titans draft and they're overall like years long,
Speaker 4: including the trade of AJ Brown, to just sort of
Speaker 4: ignore the wide receiver position that I think is driving
Speaker 4: certain reporters crazy, driving certain fans crazy. You're hanging on
Speaker 4: to the idea that you drafted Colton Dowell in the
Speaker 4: seventh round as the only addition at wide receiver. It
Speaker 4: was a major issue last year that team completely nose
Speaker 4: dived and vanished offensively down the stretch. And now you
Speaker 4: have Will Levis and Ryan Tannehill facing the same situation
Speaker 4: going into this season, and you're floating answers out there like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're a little smarter than you. Let's celebrate the players
Speaker 4: we picked, and please no critical questions. Don't love it.
Speaker 1: I know where you're coming from on that.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe although it wasn't, it wasn't he wasn't
Speaker 2: sparring or challenging the reporters. It came off as a
Speaker 2: little bit a touch condescending, and like one of the
Speaker 2: reasons I got into journalism and what I loved about
Speaker 2: it and love about it is that the reporter's job,
Speaker 2: on some level from my perspective, is to kind of
Speaker 2: be the voice of the fans and to be the
Speaker 2: ones that ask sometimes the hard questions. And while I
Speaker 2: understand what Carthon is saying there, I also think to myself, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of Titans fans that are like,
Speaker 2: hey man, we need to get a little more explosive.
Speaker 2: You traded away aj Brown, we need to kind of
Speaker 2: start building. And that question has to be asked, And
Speaker 2: it might be in conflict with your idea that we
Speaker 2: should be celebrating these kids entering the league. I think
Speaker 2: there's room for that, but you can't tell another person
Speaker 2: in that room how they should be doing their job.
Speaker 2: You know, they're in two different positions. So I also
Speaker 2: don't think that Cartha should be killed over it, but
Speaker 2: that's not a great way to get your relationship going. Also,
Speaker 2: I don't know if Kuharsi speaks only for himself or
Speaker 2: if this is more of a big issue or bigger
Speaker 2: issue that's brewing behind the scenes over there.
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean, his tweet was pretty condescending and like, look
Speaker 3: at me too, So it was a little back and forth.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, you heard it's a soft market. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna I the guys who are on the radio.
Speaker 1: I kind of liked it. I gotta say I like
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 3: I kind of like both is just how I would say,
Speaker 3: Like I respect Carthun kind of bringing that perspective and
Speaker 3: he can speak on it if that's what he wants to,
Speaker 3: and I respect Kaharski coming back, and I think that's healthy.
Speaker 3: But there's always one guy on the radio in the town.
Speaker 3: It's like, Hey, you might not like it, but I'm
Speaker 3: gonna totally like it.
Speaker 5: Is Usually that guy's kind of a jackass.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with it dragon like I'm not. Also,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to come out of this like flaming
Speaker 4: Carthon because I think like there's a reason they picked
Speaker 4: him and time will tell I be successful. It's just like,
Speaker 4: I think it's important in twenty twenty three and beyond
Speaker 4: to kind of nail these press conferences, Like you just
Speaker 4: don't want to come out with these talking points, and
Speaker 4: there seemed to be an apprehension to kind of answer
Speaker 4: the tough question around what is your plan with wide
Speaker 4: receiver and et cetera. It's like you're gonna have to
Speaker 4: face those if you're not gonna go do what the
Speaker 4: fans want you have to face the.
Speaker 1: Questions fair enough.
Speaker 2: I think that was Greg is and you know, the
Speaker 2: New England media markets a no walk in the park.
Speaker 2: But that's like the type of questions I think one
Speaker 2: of the things Carson's getting at that maybe in the
Speaker 2: a New York market or a bigger market, like you're
Speaker 2: gonna get And maybe he's saying in Nashville and Tennessee,
Speaker 2: maybe that's not the type of line of questioning Carthon's expecting.
Speaker 2: But you know, Maurice Carthon, Rand's father, he knows that
Speaker 2: more what it's like to play in a big market.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll work things out.
Speaker 5: Relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get Paul and ran together for a burger
Speaker 2: and a beer and we'll just sort it sort it out.
Speaker 4: Mm soun yup.
Speaker 1: All right, Have you got something else, Gregie? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean are we are? We wrapping up here? I
Speaker 5: could do a lot of.
Speaker 1: Quick one we got I got a bunch of little
Speaker 1: things too. We want to go a little more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's do some some things. I enjoyed we
Speaker 3: mentioned it a little bit on Thursday. I like the
Speaker 3: Bears Meat and Potato draft. It was what they had
Speaker 3: to do. It wasn't flashy. I think they got bigger,
Speaker 3: they got tougher. I love the Michael Mayer pick to
Speaker 3: the Raiders, that was nice. I wasn't in love with
Speaker 3: Tyree Wilson, but Josh McDaniels, that's good. Jonathan Mingo was
Speaker 3: kind of my guy at least a wide receiver in
Speaker 3: this draft, and you paired him with Bryce Young, So
Speaker 3: that's another thing to be excited about in terms of
Speaker 3: the offense in Carolina. And then I like the the
Speaker 3: college connections. Uh, Jake Hayner drafted by the Saints, Fresno
Speaker 3: State guy like Derek Carr. They already had a relationship,
Speaker 3: they're already talking. He wants to be his mentor. And
Speaker 3: then stets And Bennett, the Georgia national champion who just
Speaker 3: won a title in Sofi Stadium with less Steed watching,
Speaker 3: is now the next Rams backup quarterback. And I know
Speaker 3: he's the backup because there's no other quarterbacks on the
Speaker 3: roster and they're both Georgia guys stets And Bennett and
Speaker 3: Matthew Staffords.
Speaker 5: I like. I like the synchronicity there.
Speaker 2: Here's a there's a connection to that because I have
Speaker 2: it labeled under weirdest tweet of the draft from ESPN's
Speaker 2: Diana Rossini.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the tweet. I'm just gonna read it.
Speaker 2: It was never a big secret that the Rams loved
Speaker 2: QB Stets and Bennett, but they played this out really well.
Speaker 2: I was told how important it was to get a
Speaker 2: QB in that room who wouldn't be a problem or
Speaker 2: cause issues. What they took him very early.
Speaker 3: There was like a run on kind of surprising quarter
Speaker 3: back prospects or like, so they took him very early.
Speaker 3: Everyone knew they liked him, apparently, so they had to
Speaker 3: take him early. And I don't know about the problems thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, he did just have like a DUI. So
Speaker 3: I guess they're saying, like a guy that wouldn't like
Speaker 3: want the starting job right away, and he'll know his
Speaker 3: place because he's.
Speaker 1: Friends mid round quarterback.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh so yeah, all right, I think that maybe that's
Speaker 2: what is that what it means Mark that if you
Speaker 2: took a high if not that they could even take
Speaker 2: a high draft pick this year, but if you brought
Speaker 2: in like some you know, playboy from the college game,
Speaker 2: it would tear apart the locker.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, like because I don't thought the
Speaker 4: experience with Baker Mayfield, if anything was, was perceived to
Speaker 4: be positive and we all thought that like he and
Speaker 4: McVeigh got along well. But I guess if you had
Speaker 4: stuck with Baker Mayfield, you're gonna get a couple of
Speaker 4: quotes over the course of an offseason where he's telling
Speaker 4: you he wants to be the starter. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know why anyone.
Speaker 3: That's stafford in him were kind of buddies, which is like, okay, great.
Speaker 1: Cool, Well you got another another nug there.
Speaker 5: Greg, Oh, yeah, I got it.
Speaker 3: I mean this should have been front and center, big winners.
Speaker 3: We got history being made. Riley Moss cornerback.
Speaker 5: Where was he from? Iowa? Now I forget to Denver.
Speaker 3: He's going to be the first white cornerback to be
Speaker 3: playing regular snap since Jason Seahorn.
Speaker 5: It's been a long time here.
Speaker 1: The guy zerline was talking up right.
Speaker 5: He's breaking barriers. Went in the third round.
Speaker 3: A lot of people really liked him, and so yeah,
Speaker 3: shout out to Riley Moss for just changing. You know,
Speaker 3: we talked about body diversity that I'm in favor of
Speaker 3: We just need all sorts of different types.
Speaker 5: It's insane.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely crazy that that's true that there hasn't been
Speaker 3: one since Jason Seahorn.
Speaker 2: How about our short King Deuce Vaughn five to five. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he goes at round six, pick thirty five to the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. That's actually Marky a nice little spot, I
Speaker 2: think for our short King who enters the fray with
Speaker 2: Zeke out of the picture, with Tony Pollard come off
Speaker 2: a major leg injury.
Speaker 1: They signed Ronald Jones in free agency, but come on,
Speaker 1: it's Ronald Jones. They also have Malik Davis, who is
Speaker 1: just a guy.
Speaker 2: So our short King has a chance to do some
Speaker 2: things at five five, one seventy nine and coming up
Speaker 2: back to back one K seasons and All America Honors.
Speaker 4: I love the idea of it. And you know, we
Speaker 4: work with a with a short king in mj D.
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd have a problem with me calling
Speaker 4: him that he didn't.
Speaker 5: I'm here, Martin, I'm right here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not a former NFL running back. I'm talking
Speaker 4: about an actual someone who's doing what this person it's.
Speaker 5: Over my shoulder right now.
Speaker 3: It's very small, really not befitting you know, the honor
Speaker 3: Division one state champions.
Speaker 4: I mean, Greg, I agree with your body diversity, but
Speaker 4: I don't think like one of the NFL teams is
Speaker 4: looking to bring in like an ex high school tennis player.
Speaker 4: I just don't think so.
Speaker 3: I'm the short king of the podcasting game. They've never
Speaker 3: had a short podcast there.
Speaker 2: I just I don't wanted to mean that trophy, Greg,
Speaker 2: But first of all, it's impossibly small for the achievement.
Speaker 2: And also it was a team tennis title. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a singles championship. I think we had established no disrespect.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, but I went undefeated, you know that season starting
Speaker 3: you know team tennis.
Speaker 5: It's three people. Basically, the three of us rolled, not taking.
Speaker 2: Any we need, Like if we had the rights, we
Speaker 2: just roll in Springsteen's Glory days Right now, Mark, you
Speaker 2: got some stuff.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go down winners and losers Boulevard. But
Speaker 4: I liked what the Bucks did in general, like I
Speaker 4: except for not addressing quarterback, which is weird. But they
Speaker 4: sit out there as a team that might go do
Speaker 4: that next offseason in a big way. But Cody Mak
Speaker 4: like the offensive tackle out of North Dakota State is
Speaker 4: a wildly immense, giant, amazing human who I think is
Speaker 4: gonna be an interesting fit down in super hot Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4: And KLAIJAHKANTSI as well, well, ya ya diabli this guy
Speaker 4: or diabi this like edge guy that they got helps
Speaker 4: because Shaq Barrett's coming off in Achilles. So I think
Speaker 4: this was a sign that the Bucks aren't like they're
Speaker 4: reloading on defense a little bit. They got a tough
Speaker 4: offensive lineman. I kind of like the mood of what
Speaker 4: the Bucks are doing right now, minus the quarterback situation,
Speaker 4: because I, as much as I am pro Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: I don't see that going perfectly. Well.
Speaker 3: It's a good job too, because I think the Bucks
Speaker 3: might be ranked thirtieth, thirty first, thirty second in times
Speaker 3: mentioned over the last three months on this podcast.
Speaker 5: So that's a good job by you.
Speaker 2: I'll throw them out there, I think. Although I haven't
Speaker 2: been on board with what I have perceived to be
Speaker 2: a premature push for the Atlanta Falcons the last two years,
Speaker 2: I do believe they are on a compelling path as
Speaker 2: we look ahead to twenty twenty three. Still wish, yes
Speaker 2: that they address quarterback in a different way.
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill still available, Hey, heads up.
Speaker 2: But I also I respect Falcons fans for what they've
Speaker 2: gone through the last five or six years. I'll never
Speaker 2: forget being at that super Bowl in Houston, I believe
Speaker 2: it was, and we all walk by this kind of
Speaker 2: rundown hotel on the outskirts of town that was completely
Speaker 2: booked out with Atlanta football fans partying, having the time
Speaker 2: of their life on Saturday night and thinking to myself, Ay,
Speaker 2: I hope my fan base gets to do this just
Speaker 2: once before I die. And b God, that's the first
Speaker 2: group of people I thought about when twenty eight three
Speaker 2: went down. Falcons fans are so sick of twenty eight three,
Speaker 2: and the only thing that's made twenty eight three worse
Speaker 2: has been the fact that the team has not really
Speaker 2: been relevant or compelling really ever since. I know they
Speaker 2: won a playoff game the next year we were there
Speaker 2: against the Rams, but other than that, it's been really
Speaker 2: a down downhill ride.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: Listen to this fan super fan. I wish I had
Speaker 2: his name. If we could get it, that would be awesome,
Speaker 2: justin but not, don't worry about it. Announcing a pick
Speaker 2: and then hearing someone shout from the crowd.
Speaker 8: You know what they shouted, it's the two hundred and
Speaker 8: twenty fourth pick in the twenty twenty three NFS.
Speaker 1: I was going to introduce the win planned to Falcon.
Speaker 8: Select to Marco Helen's defensive back Alabama twenty eight three.
Speaker 1: Good one. We've heard that before. I'm assuming that came
Speaker 1: from the New England section down in the orchestra. Pete.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we got that on film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little point in a mocking Yeah, we've heard
Speaker 2: that one before.
Speaker 1: Falcons fans don't want to hear that.
Speaker 2: It's time for them to build their next cycle of
Speaker 2: success so they can really move on from that horrific Sunday.
Speaker 4: If you, if you, if you aren't watching this on YouTube,
Speaker 4: go find that clip, either on this episode or some
Speaker 4: where else, because what he's wearing there is one of
Speaker 4: the more like it completely combats my concept of male
Speaker 4: fashion being in a in a low place at the moment.
Speaker 4: He is doing something completely different with his choices, and
Speaker 4: it was an eyepop and I think it gave that
Speaker 4: production a little life at that point because I was
Speaker 4: like deep in the seventh round, where you know, you're
Speaker 4: just struggling for something to say and like out comes
Speaker 4: this eye catching wonder.
Speaker 1: It's a red suit with the dirty bird all over it.
Speaker 3: You should watch this this YouTube, you know, hit the like,
Speaker 3: subscribe to around the NFL YouTube smash that like. Check
Speaker 3: out the live stream from the other night. It's still
Speaker 3: it's still cranking.
Speaker 1: Does anybody have one more?
Speaker 2: I have one more, but I'll defer to some you
Speaker 2: guys if you have yeah quickly.
Speaker 3: Danny Kelly pointed out Devin h Chane during our running
Speaker 3: Back preview, and I wasn't familiar with him at the time,
Speaker 3: but he compared him to the running back version of
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. His explosiveness is insane. When I went to
Speaker 3: watch him this, he is an insane player. And now
Speaker 3: he's a member of the Dolphins. That's the fastest track
Speaker 3: team I've ever seen, and so I'm just excited about
Speaker 3: that him and most are in the same backfield, just
Speaker 3: like he is pure speed. And then my last winner
Speaker 3: of the night, you gotta give it to the guys overseas,
Speaker 3: our buds, both Neil Reynolds and Will Gavin Neil of
Speaker 3: Sky Sports, Will Gavin of Toksport Radio, both introducing picks
Speaker 3: on day three, coming for a big in a big spot.
Speaker 3: They were sort of introducing young fans in the UK
Speaker 3: that actually said the pick. But they were there. They
Speaker 3: got their moment in the sun. They got some nice
Speaker 3: NFL network pop.
Speaker 5: So good job by Will and Neil both.
Speaker 4: I needed one of them to be in holographic form
Speaker 4: because I lost. As far as I.
Speaker 1: Can tell, you get to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I tracked every pick, but
Speaker 4: it's not looking good for the non human making a pick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we will, we will get to that mark. He
Speaker 1: got something else.
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I know, we talked to
Speaker 4: little Patriots, but I thought in general I liked their draft,
Speaker 4: and I think a winner has to be mac Jones
Speaker 4: because I had become more and more convinced that he
Speaker 4: was going to get shipped out of town that they
Speaker 4: were maybe going to go quarterback. In general, they hung
Speaker 4: out there on the fringe of the potential Lamar Jackson
Speaker 4: like Chase, and then a week later there's really no
Speaker 4: competition outside of Bailey Zappi for Mac Jones's job. He's
Speaker 4: a star. I think he's the presumptive starter. I don't
Speaker 4: think he and Belichick are like the best of friends.
Speaker 4: But I don't think Bill Belichick's ever really been the
Speaker 4: best of friends with almost any of his quarterbacks. And
Speaker 4: so it's like, you got Bill O'Brien. It's a better
Speaker 4: situation than a year ago, and you haven't just been
Speaker 4: thrown somewhere else to start all over in another city.
Speaker 3: Kean White, their second round pick, quickly, was as upset
Speaker 3: as I've ever seen. I really felt for him when
Speaker 3: he got drafted number forty six. I believe he was
Speaker 3: at the draft and he left because he was disappointed.
Speaker 3: And they did still have a camera on him when
Speaker 3: he got drafted in the second round. I've never seen
Speaker 3: a look has pissed off. He was not getting over
Speaker 3: it in the in the moment, So Kean White, A
Speaker 3: lot of people thought he'd be a top, you know,
Speaker 3: thirty pick. I hope he brings that energy and he
Speaker 3: takes it out on the rest of the league.
Speaker 1: Very nice, very nice. I wanted the ultimate winner. It's
Speaker 1: my last one.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one won the draft in Kansas City
Speaker 2: at a higher level than Hollywood actor Eric stone Street,
Speaker 2: the Modern Family star. Loyal to the soil, as they
Speaker 2: say all over the coverage on NFL Network, and beyond
Speaker 2: stone it's stone Street Mania. Here he is announcing the
Speaker 2: Chiefs pick late in the draft.
Speaker 8: Oh right, Kansas City, real quick. I'm so proud of
Speaker 8: our hometown. You guys showed up, showed.
Speaker 9: The nationale Football League. What a great welcoming city. Kansas
Speaker 9: City is. So thank you, Kansas City. We love a
Speaker 9: we love everyone.
Speaker 5: We love.
Speaker 1: Hey man.
Speaker 2: When you have an opportunity to just own the moment,
Speaker 2: as Stone Street has this weekend, you grab it.
Speaker 1: You grab that rocket and you go for a ride.
Speaker 2: And stone Street hopped on and he soared across the
Speaker 2: skies of Miss three days.
Speaker 3: I mean he wasn't just like a Thursday night guy
Speaker 3: or a Friday night guy.
Speaker 5: Hell no, he was in all three days.
Speaker 3: And I've learned since like he had he has beefs
Speaker 3: with different reporters around the country. Jeff Howe of The Athletic,
Speaker 3: who was once covering the Patriots, he has a beef
Speaker 3: with stone Street because he once, uh, you know, talked
Speaker 3: a lot of trash about one of his articles. So
Speaker 3: it's like stone Street's in the mix and he's not
Speaker 3: going away.
Speaker 4: Did you see what he was doing outside of the
Speaker 4: announcement there, He had rich Eisen in the passenger seat
Speaker 4: of his car, and he had he's got a vehicle
Speaker 4: with one of these like massive like speakers outside it.
Speaker 1: He's sitting around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's driving around being like, hey, I'm rich
Speaker 4: ez Elite's pretending to be rich Eien. Insane sort of
Speaker 4: like bizarre stuff to people on the side of the street,
Speaker 4: like he's feeling himself.
Speaker 1: Do you know what they call that CS? Classic Stone Street?
Speaker 4: That is it is?
Speaker 6: We love football? Sounds like it could be the slogan
Speaker 6: for next year season, just we love football.
Speaker 2: Put that in the chamber. We might be firing that
Speaker 2: one off come next September. All right, before we say goodbye,
Speaker 2: let's check in on go get my lunch once again,
Speaker 2: Nick four tierf this was my vers one ever. I
Speaker 2: think by the way Nick fourth Tier reached out to me,
Speaker 2: you were concerned Greg that perhaps he was disrespected earlier
Speaker 2: last week that I couldn't quite place his name, But
Speaker 2: he took it in great spirits and signed a message
Speaker 2: to me Nick four Tier aka Ryan Frontier aka Chad Foster.
Speaker 1: Chad Foster, this is just funny, Chest Foster.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you took a bit of a dirt nap here, GREGI, well,
Speaker 2: will you finish under five hundred? So Tyree Wilson is
Speaker 2: the first defensive player taken in the draft.
Speaker 1: No, he was not. It was who Will Anderson?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will Anderson, Dan and Mark pickup sangwiches there. Then
Speaker 2: you had all four of the top QBS Young Stroud,
Speaker 2: Levis and Richardson are drafted within the top ten almost
Speaker 2: but unfortunately Lett was fell out of the first round
Speaker 2: and I was taken thirty second overall, so he did
Speaker 2: not get that. Two more sanguages for Dan and Mark,
Speaker 2: and then you had d hops. We all got banged
Speaker 2: on the veterans being moved. You had d Hops traded
Speaker 2: to the Bills by the end of the draft. Two
Speaker 2: more losses there, so you finished five and eight. Mark Sessler,
Speaker 2: hey man, listen, we talked about it. You're deep in
Speaker 2: the rear view in the standings. You just got chop
Speaker 2: wood for a few years.
Speaker 1: That's it. And then here's a perfect example.
Speaker 3: You have a seven in jacket for it. I feel
Speaker 3: like that's a good chopping wood jacket.
Speaker 2: Sure, when Mark is wearing the faded black Levi's jacket
Speaker 2: on a Saturday, look out, Mark Went's seven and five.
Speaker 2: The Packers draft at least four wide receivers and tight
Speaker 2: ends big w only one sangwich though, you know because
Speaker 2: I found it to be egregious Nebulos mac Jones is
Speaker 2: not a Patriot by the end of the draft. There's
Speaker 2: your ding there. Dan and Greg took you on that,
Speaker 2: and mac Jones is very much It appears part of
Speaker 2: the equation there. A non human slash non animal makes
Speaker 2: a draft pick. Dan and Greg both pick up sangwiches.
Speaker 2: There was there, ever a moment I saw at one
Speaker 2: point there were.
Speaker 1: What the hell was it?
Speaker 2: I turned it on today and it was monkeys or
Speaker 2: puppies or something.
Speaker 3: There do animal dog pete on Daniel Jeremiah speaking of
Speaker 3: a winner in this draft. That dog is a winner.
Speaker 5: They brought a boy stoy Pete on DJ. So that's
Speaker 5: good that Mark would have predicted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have.
Speaker 4: I you know, I didn't sense that when I was
Speaker 4: cooking up my sandwich things. But I I'll be fully accountable.
Speaker 4: I did not track every single day three announcement. I
Speaker 4: like to watch as much as I can, but other
Speaker 4: human things were occurring during the day. But I know
Speaker 4: that if a non human, non animal had made a pick,
Speaker 4: I would be getting tons of tweets from people, and
Speaker 4: that is it was essentially totally quiet, so very confident
Speaker 4: that a non human, non animal was not a participant. Today.
Speaker 2: Uh, the old Zeusser eight and four opening up a
Speaker 2: bit of a lead on the old Boss. The Texans
Speaker 2: state number two and draft to qb uh pick up
Speaker 2: two Q sangwiches there with CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud coming up the board too.
Speaker 2: I just missed really cleaning up in this draft because
Speaker 2: I had the Jets like rogerck Jones in the first round,
Speaker 2: and another Schrager report was out there. He was saying
Speaker 2: on Friday that the Jets weren't happy with the quote
Speaker 2: unquote narrative that everyone thought that that's who they wanted,
Speaker 2: when that necessarily was the case. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I necessarily believe that, but the Jets were pushing back
Speaker 2: against that. They ended up taking the edge rusher. So
Speaker 2: I missed that one though, so it cost me two sandwiches,
Speaker 2: and then I had once again we all got dinged
Speaker 2: with the trades. Titans trade either Tannehill or Henry by today,
Speaker 2: so I guess they still have till midnight for that,
Speaker 2: but I don't see it happening, So that's gonna cost
Speaker 2: me too. And then finally, the curse of the producer continues.
Speaker 2: Justin had no trades within the top seven picks, and
Speaker 2: as we said before, this was a historic draft.
Speaker 1: There was more.
Speaker 2: Trades than ever forty one, I believe, or in the
Speaker 2: forties somewhere. You had none in the top seven, and
Speaker 2: I believe there were two in the top seven.
Speaker 3: So yeah, since you got that doubly wrong, you have
Speaker 3: to get.
Speaker 5: Us two sandwiches each.
Speaker 6: Okay, well, one day I will win a sandwich. Watch
Speaker 6: one day.
Speaker 1: How did it go? Thursday night?
Speaker 2: After that long day, And again, thank you to Justin
Speaker 2: and everybody behind the scenes, including Jessica as well, your
Speaker 2: lovely girlfriend who sat in on the live stream when
Speaker 2: you got home. Was she happy about being a part
Speaker 2: of it? Or was she like what was that all about?
Speaker 1: Like? Where did she come down on the live stream?
Speaker 1: Ultimately a little bit of both.
Speaker 6: She was happy to be there, She was happy to
Speaker 6: see it up like happening live and not having to
Speaker 6: watch it, you know, on YouTube at home waiting for
Speaker 6: me to get back from work. But at the same time,
Speaker 6: she did feel like, why was it a million degrees
Speaker 6: in that room. Why didn't you and Mark get more
Speaker 6: picks right in your mock draft? So I had something
Speaker 6: to do instead of just sitting there waiting for.
Speaker 5: You guys to be wrong all night.
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's where she came down.
Speaker 4: I think it's a totally fair assessment.
Speaker 2: By the way, I have some reporting I want to
Speaker 2: share about the temperature in that room. And this is
Speaker 2: something that I.
Speaker 1: You know, I like the triple source, so I did.
Speaker 2: I heard it, someone volunteered it to me, and then
Speaker 2: I checked in with a couple other people on this,
Speaker 2: and it has now been confirmed to me that the
Speaker 2: room where we did the live stream for five hours,
Speaker 2: which was filled with you know, roughly eight to ten
Speaker 2: people with lighting and cameras all over the place, it
Speaker 2: was known that there was an issue with the air
Speaker 2: conditioning weeks ago, and yet we were thrown to the
Speaker 2: wolves or thrown into the fire literally despite them knowing
Speaker 2: full well what the outcome would have been.
Speaker 4: Wait, and you triple source this. You triple source sourced
Speaker 4: it from within the building we were in. And when
Speaker 4: I say we, I'm not just talking about the three
Speaker 4: of us and not just justin There was a large
Speaker 4: crowd of hard working NFL media employees inside what was
Speaker 4: a room that was no bigger than a small bedroom. Essentially,
Speaker 4: it's very compact, no windows, no ventilation. And you're trying
Speaker 4: to tell me that higher ups within the building knew
Speaker 4: that they were willingly throwing their employees, the people that
Speaker 4: they value, into this sort of hothouse for four plus hours.
Speaker 4: You're telling me that's the scenario.
Speaker 2: I can only tell you what my reporting, uh came
Speaker 2: up came back with, which is they were fully aware
Speaker 2: greg that if they put that many people and that
Speaker 2: much lighting and that much equipment in that room for
Speaker 2: that amount of time, it was going to be a
Speaker 2: potentially dangerous experience, especially for the talent. And and that's all.
Speaker 2: And we could we could take action steps going forward
Speaker 2: as we head into the off season, the proper off
Speaker 2: season for us. But I think I had to get
Speaker 2: that out there, and I know that's gonna rub some
Speaker 2: people the wrong way. Some shadowy leak figures that I
Speaker 2: would bring this reporting out here, but that that's part
Speaker 2: of what the zeuser has to do in terms of
Speaker 2: his reporting, and I'm just that's it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Yessica had mixed feelings When Justin returned,
Speaker 3: Emica's feelings weren't mixed at all. She saw me and
Speaker 3: she was like, did you lose seven pounds of water
Speaker 3: weight tonight? Because you're looking good. When I walked in.
Speaker 5: She's like, just get those soggy uh that soggi.
Speaker 3: Underwear out of here, and then you know, let's go,
Speaker 3: let's go.
Speaker 2: The night ended with Greg ringing out his tidy whities
Speaker 2: into the kitchen sink.
Speaker 1: Don't need to visualize that, all right, I think that's enough.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, good stuff. Another draft in the books. That
Speaker 2: is the tenth draft we've covered for the podcast. We've
Speaker 2: been involved with more address probably about twelve or thirteen
Speaker 2: as a group, but in terms of the around the
Speaker 2: NFL podcast are tenth and we thank you for listening, Greggie.
Speaker 1: I know you checked it out.
Speaker 2: The number is very healthy and robust, both with the
Speaker 2: stream and the podcast. You guys ten years, thirteen years
Speaker 2: in well, ten years into the show now have continued
Speaker 2: to support us and the show has continued to grow.
Speaker 2: And also again Justin jump back in here.
Speaker 1: Justin.
Speaker 2: This kind of is the year anniversary of Justin taking
Speaker 2: over as our full time producer, replacing Erica, who obviously
Speaker 2: was incredible for us, but Justin, that was a hell
Speaker 2: of a first year with ATM, so we thank you
Speaker 2: for everything you do.
Speaker 6: Thanks. It's been a really fun year, learned a lot
Speaker 6: and looking forward to a year where now I know
Speaker 6: all the events and the ten pull things that we're
Speaker 6: you know, expecting to cover, so I'll be I think
Speaker 6: i'll be better.
Speaker 5: You've done it all once. I don't want to get
Speaker 5: ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about this, but I actually ready to
Speaker 3: to ask you to be our our pre fiance producer.
Speaker 1: We're pre engaging. We're pre engaged.
Speaker 3: I don't know how that works. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 3: pre engage with you with Justin.
Speaker 2: I just imagine us all on our knees, yes, well
Speaker 2: on one knee. Okay, that's that seems like a good
Speaker 2: time to get out. Thank you everybody. Until we got again.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we have around the AFC and NFC
Speaker 2: with special guests galore this week, so check back in
Speaker 2: on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Until then, Dan had the signing
Speaker 2: Off for Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, Justin Graver, everybody behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, heat the call