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Speaker 1: Well, welcome everybody. We begin this hour with a horrible

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Speaker 1: story that unfolded out on Riverside on Friday, when a

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Speaker 1: man traveled all the way from Virginia to hook up

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Speaker 1: that he was younger than he was. Austin Lee Edwards

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Speaker 1: is twenty eight years old, and he actually completed the

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Speaker 1: Virginia State Police Academy in January and joined the Virginia

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Speaker 1: Steve Greggy's been following this story and can give us

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Speaker 1: all the details and answer our questions. Yeah, what was

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Speaker 1: going on here? Yeah, so looked up with this girl

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Speaker 1: and then he ended up killing well, I think he

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Speaker 1: tried to. I think these are some of the answers

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Speaker 1: that we are asking the questions too, that we need

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Speaker 1: answers for rather with the Riverside authorities. But this guy

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Speaker 1: did travel out here. He was a trooper up until

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Speaker 1: October when he resigned, and then he joined a sheriff's department.

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Speaker 1: So at the time of his demise yesterday, he was

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Speaker 1: sworn deputy in Virginia. So apparently he did what they

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Speaker 1: called catfishing and catfishing is as a big problem right

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Speaker 1: now and it has been for quite some time. That's

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Speaker 1: when someone goes online to pretend there's somebody else, and

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Speaker 1: presumably someone that's twenty eight years old that's trying to

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Speaker 1: attract the affection of someone who's under eighteen, would presumably

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Speaker 1: be you know, position themselves as someone who along the

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Speaker 1: same age category, because they're having a lot of problems

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Speaker 1: now with sextortion and especially with younger kids and teens

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Speaker 1: having this. This is a really big problem right now.

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Speaker 1: The FBI and local authorities are really struggling with this.

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Speaker 1: But this guy drives across the country on Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: He starts to have an argument of some kind with

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Speaker 1: this girl, and somebody notices it, calls the police and

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Speaker 1: concerned for the girl's welfare. So the argument must have

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Speaker 1: been visual enough for you know, rough enough for someone

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Speaker 1: a welfare check on this girl. When cops arrived, the

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Speaker 1: man and the girl were gone. Within a couple minutes later,

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Speaker 1: black smoke was seen billowing from the back of a

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Speaker 1: where the two were arguing. Firefighters rushed to the scene.

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Speaker 1: There all the attention went to this fire, and at

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Speaker 1: the conclusion of the fire, they pulled three dead bodies out,

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Speaker 1: and then as they started to put it all together,

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Speaker 1: they realized this was the girl's mother and the girl's grandparents.

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Speaker 1: All three of them were dead and they've been identified

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Speaker 1: a sixty five year old Shari Winnick, sixty nine year

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Speaker 1: The name of the girl obviously isn't being released. She's

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Austin Lee Edwards of north Chesterfield,

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Speaker 1: Virginia as the cop so. After that, then it looks

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Speaker 1: as though this Austin Lee words and the girl took

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Speaker 1: of the timeline they have to put together. They put

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Speaker 1: out an alert on the car. It was a Kia,

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Speaker 1: and they put out an alert, and then yesterday afternoon

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Speaker 1: someone spotted the Kia in the Mojave Preserve out in

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Speaker 1: And when I look at it on the map, it's

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department come upon him, and this Austin Lee Edwards,

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Speaker 1: he did not fire that we know of. He just pointed.

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Speaker 1: Then it's not been released. What a wacko. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: me tell you, San Bernardino County sheriffs Department they train

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Speaker 1: don't want to screw with those guys. You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: They shot him dead, and the girl girl was rescued, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: and she's in right now in protective custody with child Services.

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Speaker 1: But her mother's dead and her grandparents were dead. Wow,

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Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, the girl is a victim as well.

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Speaker 1: She was the victim of this cat fishing and the argument,

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Speaker 1: I mean, she it was labeled, it was characterized that

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Speaker 1: close to the house. And this was in the eleven

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Speaker 1: area known as the La Sierra South neighborhood of Riverside.

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Speaker 1: So the police show up to investigate the argument, but

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Speaker 1: But it was a firefighter that was heard on scanner

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Speaker 1: And again it was characterized that the girl was abducted,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't appear that it's similar. I mean, there were

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Speaker 1: some similarities, but not And you know, it's just that

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Speaker 1: this again, we don't know how old this girl is.

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Speaker 1: She's a juvenile because she's in protective custody, so we

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Speaker 1: know she's under eighteen. But the you know, the Riverside

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Speaker 1: County Sheriffs Department. Of course, their role is that they

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned the guilt she's going to feel for

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Speaker 1: suicide because some of these young kids have been coerced

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Speaker 1: what I did. And they said, this is a huge

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Speaker 1: to be. That's the catfishing part. And they're certain that

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Speaker 1: he did portray himself as well. They're using the term

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Speaker 1: than he said, either way, he lied about his identity

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Speaker 1: up that information. Yeah, I think a likely scenario is

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Speaker 1: heard an argument of some kind. That's just one of

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Speaker 1: the scariest things in the world for a parent because

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Speaker 1: the grandparents clearly said no way, and you've been doing

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Speaker 1: it's frightening to think that there was a twenty eight

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've talked to enough cybercrime people, especially

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Speaker 1: What are they going to do? And parents are struggling

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Speaker 1: them are smaller landlords, ye, who have been really hurt

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Speaker 1: by this. I mean, we're talking about coming up on

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Speaker 1: three years but of tenant protections like this. But if

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Speaker 1: you have a critical mass of the population who believe

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Speaker 1: that owning is bad, that owners are bad, that people

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Speaker 1: who succeed in life is bad, you'll have a critical

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Speaker 1: mass of people receptive to the idea that, yeah, the

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Speaker 1: government should control the rents. Right. We've had rent control

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Speaker 1: for for decades in some areas. This is the next step.

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Speaker 1: Now they're going to decide that no rent at all.

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Speaker 1: Forget rent control, there is no rent. Okay. They believe

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Speaker 1: in something very basic that capitalism fails. Too many people

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Speaker 1: will make people get left behind by capitalism, the government

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Speaker 1: has to step in, and correctly, of course it does.

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Speaker 1: When the government lets in millions of illegal immigrants and

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Speaker 1: at the same time drives out millions of jobs through

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Speaker 1: overregulation of industry. Then, yes, capitalism has failed. Well, truth is,

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Speaker 1: capitalism didn't fail. Government failed with overregulation, driving out jobs

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Speaker 1: and opening the border widely and changing the way. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the generation we grew up, in our parents' generation,

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Speaker 1: there was no such thing as not paying your bills,

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Speaker 1: and there was almost no such thing as homelessness. It

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Speaker 1: was you're responsible, you have to work, you have to

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Speaker 1: pay your bills. There's no getting around it. And that

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Speaker 1: changed little by little and it became no, the government

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Speaker 1: will help you, right. Welfare used to not exist sixty

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Speaker 1: years ago. There was little to no welfare. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean there were hobos after the Great Depression. That was

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Speaker 1: the big time for them, riding the trains and sure,

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Speaker 1: and there was a scattered drunk or two, but there

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Speaker 1: wasn't this whole scale homeless industry with all the with

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of customers. Yeah. The Great Depression, Yes,

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Speaker 1: produced a lot of misery. We don't have a Great

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Speaker 1: depression now. We've had the most the most successful economic

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Speaker 1: times over the last forty years. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: excuse for this. It's because the culture changed and because

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Speaker 1: people became dependent and expected that the government was going

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Speaker 1: to send them some kind of a check in some form,

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Speaker 1: and that they were no longer responsible for themselves and

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Speaker 1: their family. And I people warned about this at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the welfare age fifty sixty years ago. They said,

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Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen, and you'll just get more

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Speaker 1: of this, and they were absolutely right. All right, we

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Speaker 1: got more coming up, John and Ken KF I am

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Speaker 1: six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Coming up

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Speaker 1: after four o'clock, Alex Stone ABC News for KFI will

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Speaker 1: be our guest to talk about the Idaho student murders.

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Speaker 1: For students who attended the University of Idaho and lived

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Speaker 1: in a well. Three of them did in an off

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Speaker 1: campus house. One of them was one of the girl's boyfriends.

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Speaker 1: Were found murdered a couple of weeks back. The case

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Speaker 1: is moving slowly and reporters are dogging the police for updates.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what the latest is after the news at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock. I did read a couple of a profiler

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Speaker 1: pieces over the weekend. I'm very curious about this case, obviously,

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Speaker 1: and everybody knows this. Probably whoever did this is connected

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Speaker 1: to one of these four people somehow, whether they know

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Speaker 1: or to not right, whether it was a stalker they

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Speaker 1: weren't aware of, or some bad romantic break from years

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Speaker 1: ago or something like that. But one profiler said, which

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Speaker 1: I thought this was a bit unique. He thinks this

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Speaker 1: is a first time killer who is comfortable with blood.

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Speaker 1: I saw that, which shares like a contradiction, except maybe

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Speaker 1: must they work in the medical field. Maybe yeah, because

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Speaker 1: it's weird to say. But but aside, how horrible and heinous, right,

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Speaker 1: actually stabbing somebody and the blood all spurts out all

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Speaker 1: over you and all over the place. A normal person

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Speaker 1: would freak out, you know, even if they had some

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Speaker 1: kind of rage where they wanted to lash out, to

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Speaker 1: actually do it and deal immediately with the aftermath and

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Speaker 1: doing it four times and one night. Right, so he

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Speaker 1: does it and it doesn't freak come out. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have oh my god, what have I done? Moment? Right,

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Speaker 1: this is I'm gonna do it again and again and

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Speaker 1: then again and get go out of their way to

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Speaker 1: find more victims. Now you're dealing with somebody who's either

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Speaker 1: on the extreme psychotic scale or and or somebody who

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Speaker 1: has been around blood Blood's no big deal. Me. I

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Speaker 1: can't even look at getting a flu shot in my arm.

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Speaker 1: I can't watch. That freaks me out. If I cut

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Speaker 1: myself shaving, I'm freaked out. I can't. I just can't

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Speaker 1: imagine blood gushing out of another person right in front

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Speaker 1: of me, and I did the deed there. So there's

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Speaker 1: one of those. One of those girls probably knew some

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Speaker 1: guy who's extremely disturbed. It's hidden psycho or didn't know

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Speaker 1: this guy was obsessed with them or something and jealous.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're talking about that, it

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Speaker 1: points to the couple only because then he would have

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Speaker 1: seen the boy and the girl together and maybe got

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Speaker 1: really worked up over this. But we don't get because

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Speaker 1: he killed He killed the guy too. He killed the

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Speaker 1: guy too. All right, Well, these stories come up every

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Speaker 1: now and then, and it's a real question for Deborah

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Speaker 1: Mark or animal lover. How worked up are you either way?

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Speaker 1: About a man that apparently hunts birds and you can

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Speaker 1: see him. He likes to take his dogs out there,

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Speaker 1: and I guess he shoots the bird and the dog

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Speaker 1: gun goes and retrieves it and brings it back to him. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a Turkish man who right now. They're saying

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Speaker 1: he died during a hunting excursion, and he I have

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Speaker 1: been shot dead by one of his own dogs, but

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Speaker 1: his dog shot him. Yes. The story is he was

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Speaker 1: putting his dog in the trunk of the car when

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Speaker 1: the dog's paw inadvertently touched the trigger of a still

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Speaker 1: loaded shotgun that it discharged into the man at close

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Speaker 1: range and killed him away. They're still investigating this, but

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Speaker 1: this is the story right now. So are we on

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Speaker 1: the side of the hunter or the dog? Here the dog.

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Speaker 1: I don't like hunters. I'm sorry. Please don't send me emails.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to read them. And I don't like

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Speaker 1: people to go and shoot any kind of animal, even birds.

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Speaker 1: In fact, when I'm watching TV or a movie and

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Speaker 1: I see any kind of hunting, even if it's a bird,

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Speaker 1: I can't watch. I have to. Yeah, they they have

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Speaker 1: photos and ray helpfully printed out to color photos, high

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Speaker 1: quality color photos of him holding up a collection of

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Speaker 1: dead birds. Don't even put it by the camera because

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking at it. He apparently though it was

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Speaker 1: a new father. Well that is sad. I'm ten days

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Speaker 1: after he became a new father. I love how you

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Speaker 1: held back that he's dead. Yeah, it's still unclear if

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Speaker 1: the dog actually did this. This guy has posted many

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Speaker 1: photos of himself with several dogs, including a recent one

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Speaker 1: where he's holding up a string of dead birds with

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Speaker 1: one hand and petting a dog with the other. The

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Speaker 1: dog was pissed. He's saying, enough enough with the killing

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Speaker 1: of the birds. I really can't get that much out

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Speaker 1: of it. He probably had to track down the birds

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Speaker 1: after they were shot and he was done and bring

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Speaker 1: them back, and he goes, I'm not putting one more

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Speaker 1: dead bird in my mouth, give me that gun. Some

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Speaker 1: turks think it's a cover up of the man was murdered.

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Speaker 1: They're making the dog as an excuse. How would they

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Speaker 1: know that the dog pull the trigger, the dog stepped

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Speaker 1: on the Yeah, I don't know what's the evidence. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there isn't like, there's not a pop print on there

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Speaker 1: the trigger. I guess you have to do forensics and

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Speaker 1: try to recreate what possibly happened, and that must have

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Speaker 1: come up is one of the possibilities. All Right, when

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Speaker 1: we return, Alex Stone will be here. It's now been

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Speaker 1: more than two weeks after the Idaho college students were murdered.

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Speaker 1: There was still no suspect, motive or weapon. He'll update us.

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Speaker 1: Johnny ken kf I AM six forty live everywhere in

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