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Speaker 1: It's a Wednesday edition of Talking Cowboys Week four, Episode
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Speaker 1: ready for Brown's Week inside the Star in Frisco. Here
Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage Studios. I'm Kyle Yeomans alongside Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, and Great Isaiah. Stand back, gentlemen. It's
Speaker 1: been quite the couple of days. There's been some more
Speaker 1: Twitter drama. We're not gonna get into it. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the football side of things, previewing the Browns
Speaker 1: offense and Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham Junior in this entire
Speaker 1: Cleveland high powered attack, Nick Chubb going up against this
Speaker 1: pretty decimated Cowboys defense coming up in just a little bit.
Speaker 1: But Rob, I know there's been a couple of additions
Speaker 1: or at least workouts that the Cowboys have put on
Speaker 1: the table this week, and some roster moves players off yesterday.
Speaker 1: We don't have an injury report yet. That's kind of
Speaker 1: the disadvantage I guess that we have as a show
Speaker 1: in terms of going so early in the morning, we
Speaker 1: don't get to see the injury report. But what have
Speaker 1: you heard in terms of some of the ins and
Speaker 1: outs of this Cowboys roster moving into Week four, Well,
Speaker 1: I think the big one is Tyran Smith and what
Speaker 1: he might do today. Mike McCarthy said in his press
Speaker 1: conference on Monday that they sounded optimistic he might get
Speaker 1: some work in today. We'll see if that happens. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he hasn't practiced in almost two weeks, or basically two
Speaker 1: weeks was the last time we saw him out there
Speaker 1: after he hurt the neck and had had the singers
Speaker 1: he's dealing with. So that's the big one to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. You mentioned roster moves. The Cowboys made
Speaker 1: an alteration to their practice squad yesterday on the offensive
Speaker 1: line with regard to probably Smith and Lyle Collins still
Speaker 1: dealing with an injury. On ir Jordan Mills, which a
Speaker 1: veteran guy that's you know, because of the new rules,
Speaker 1: you're able to bring in a veteran guy on the
Speaker 1: practice squad, and he's a guy that's been in the
Speaker 1: league for six seven years, has eighty four career starts
Speaker 1: at tackle, so some more insurance there. And they had
Speaker 1: an open spot because Rondell Carter, highly touted undrafted hookie
Speaker 1: that they brought in after the draft is off to
Speaker 1: the Colts active roster, So trying to beef up that
Speaker 1: old line just in case. I mean, it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: it sounds not great about Lyle Collins. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what his status is going to be going forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of uncertainty around Lyle Collins yesterday,
Speaker 1: both Stephen Jones and Mike McCarthy on Monday saying that
Speaker 1: they just don't really know, and then Jerry kind of
Speaker 1: echoed that on his Tuesday interview with Sean and RJ, saying,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with Lyle Collins. The
Speaker 1: training staff doesn't know. It's really kind of a curious
Speaker 1: case moving forward. But HECMO whenever you look at some
Speaker 1: of the additions that the Cowboys are going to have
Speaker 1: to make they've really addressed the offensive offensive line. Rather
Speaker 1: by taking Mills and putting him on a practice squad,
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily going to be somebody to look for
Speaker 1: right now. It's still gonna rely on branded Night. You're
Speaker 1: still gonna rely on Terren Steele. But is this a
Speaker 1: guy moving into maybe Week five, week six that you
Speaker 1: could potentially see in that rotation at the tackle spot.
Speaker 1: I think just the experience alone, Kyle gives me a
Speaker 1: promise that this guy can come in and do a
Speaker 1: good job for us. Will you look at a NFL
Speaker 1: season all of the with injuries and all of that,
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are just trying to find the best fit
Speaker 1: for this team in case guys are not able to go.
Speaker 1: So I like the move. I hate that we lost
Speaker 1: the guy off of the practice squad that seemed like
Speaker 1: a young defender that may have had some promise, But
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is with all thirty two teams.
Speaker 1: We're looking at everyone's practice squad and guys that are
Speaker 1: inactive to see if there's a trade that can be made,
Speaker 1: if you could pluck the guys from another team's practice squad.
Speaker 1: Isaiah do you think that's kind of the move and
Speaker 1: the thought process here in terms of bringing in Jordan Mills,
Speaker 1: just groom a guy for a little bit, replace the
Speaker 1: practice squad spot of Rondelle Carter, which I'll give you
Speaker 1: a little insight here in a second, But whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to this offensive line, just trying to find some
Speaker 1: kind of extra depth anywhere you can. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: all about, you know, adding assets, right. I mean, as
Speaker 1: a general manager of a National Football League team, your
Speaker 1: job is to acquire the most amount of talent possi
Speaker 1: underneath your salary cap. That's the facts. You want to
Speaker 1: assemble the most efficient team possible. And I think this
Speaker 1: is just them doing their due diligence, and it would
Speaker 1: be negligent of them if they did not continue to
Speaker 1: add depth in competition at certain positions. Obviously there's a
Speaker 1: competitive uh it's it's an open competition right now, seemingly
Speaker 1: at the tackle position, So why not continue to add
Speaker 1: add some more depth there. And if there's somebody who
Speaker 1: can push somebody in practice, then hey, there you go.
Speaker 1: It's all better for the team. You know. I knew
Speaker 1: the name sounded familiar, guys because he he came through
Speaker 1: the Cowboys roster for like a week when they had
Speaker 1: some some depth issues at tackle back in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: And he's been the Bill's starting right tackle for a
Speaker 1: few years, so he's played in the league. And you know,
Speaker 1: Cam Irving is another guy you got to mention because
Speaker 1: Lyle's still on ir so is Cam Irving, and he
Speaker 1: might be on there for another few weeks with the
Speaker 1: spraying knee. So they've like, like Asaiah said, like Heck said,
Speaker 1: just have another asset there. You know, you've already shuffled
Speaker 1: your line a little bit of the tackle position. You're
Speaker 1: hoping to get tired back. But we'll see what they
Speaker 1: do at right tackle. I mean, they thrived with Zack
Speaker 1: Martin out there. I don't know if they want to
Speaker 1: continue to do that, but they're awfully young. Beyond that
Speaker 1: insurance policy, we talked about the potential of having Zack
Speaker 1: Martin out at right tackle and keeping the best five
Speaker 1: offensive linemen on the field, and I think maybe this
Speaker 1: prevents you from doing so moving forward. You might still
Speaker 1: see it in Week four, like I said, he's not
Speaker 1: He's on the practice squad. He may be called up
Speaker 1: for the game. But with a guy coming off the
Speaker 1: streets out of free agency, you don't necessarily expect him
Speaker 1: to make an immediate impact. As for the position on
Speaker 1: the practice squad in which he's filling, Rondelle Carter the
Speaker 1: edge rusher out of James Madison undrafted free agent. I
Speaker 1: really liked Rondelle Carter coming out of the draft. I
Speaker 1: was kind of surprised he wasn't taken in the actual
Speaker 1: draft process. His signing bonus absolutely showed that one of
Speaker 1: the the biggest signing bonus out of all of the
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, so the Cowboys side of things. But
Speaker 1: he's plucked up off of the practice squad by the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, is sixty three two hundred and seventy pound
Speaker 1: linemen and somebody I really thought had a chance to
Speaker 1: maybe make some noise. I think the reinstatement of Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory maybe stifled his chance to finally make it active roster. Plus,
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily encouraged by his training camp. I thought
Speaker 1: he was outdone by fellow undrafted free agent Ladarius Hamilton.
Speaker 1: I found Hamilton had a better training camp, and I
Speaker 1: thought Carter was left a little to be desired. But
Speaker 1: the Colts certainly found something they liked and they plucked
Speaker 1: him up off the practice squad. Now looking ahead here
Speaker 1: to Week four, Cleveland Browns coming in two and one
Speaker 1: on the season, the Cowboys, of course at one and two.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a matchup that a lot
Speaker 1: of Cowboys fans have had circled as the get right game.
Speaker 1: Such a tough schedule leading into the year. Whenever you
Speaker 1: talk about three straight teams that well, the only loss
Speaker 1: that the Rams have had was nail biter loss to
Speaker 1: the Bills. You talk about Atlanta, that's a team that
Speaker 1: right now should be two and one. It might be
Speaker 1: the best oh and three team I've seen in a
Speaker 1: long time. The fact that they're two and one or
Speaker 1: they're not two and one is kind of a kind
Speaker 1: of criminal on that side of things. And then you have,
Speaker 1: of course the Seattle Seahawks, who a lot of people
Speaker 1: believe are one of the favorites in the NFC. But
Speaker 1: now you get this quote unquote get right game for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys isay, yeah, that's not necessarily what this is.
Speaker 1: This is a Cleveland team that's not your normal Cleveland
Speaker 1: team going into this week. Absolutely not, I think in
Speaker 1: recent years because you know, everybody brings up the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, we got a second bye week. That's
Speaker 1: not the case. We know Cleveland has been working hard
Speaker 1: trying to figure this thing out for the last I
Speaker 1: would say about five years, right. They've been shuffling around coaches,
Speaker 1: they've been acquiring, you know, all these offseason acquisitions and
Speaker 1: free agents. They've been trying to develop Baker Mayfield. So
Speaker 1: they have been working diligently to trying to assemble a
Speaker 1: team that can go out there and put the other wins.
Speaker 1: And it seems as if they might have found a
Speaker 1: little something with the squad that they have this year,
Speaker 1: as they are now what two and one? Um they
Speaker 1: are they are. They have a very well respected offense.
Speaker 1: Their defense has been respected for a number of years now.
Speaker 1: So I mean, this is not this is not the
Speaker 1: easy game that you that you would like to see
Speaker 1: on your schedule getting excited about, especially coming off of
Speaker 1: you know, a loss here against Seattle. Heck, you know
Speaker 1: that movie Draft Day with Kevin Costner. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: were just the it was like it was like truth
Speaker 1: Stranger than fiction kind of thing where they were really
Speaker 1: they were just much maligned and at the first pick
Speaker 1: for years, It's that's not the case anymore. I think
Speaker 1: they're two and one for the first time since twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're above above five hundred for the first
Speaker 1: time since December of twenty fourteen. And just to get
Speaker 1: an idea of how long ago that was, Johnny Manziel
Speaker 1: was the starting quarterback the next week. It was his debut.
Speaker 1: The week after, they were one game above five hundred.
Speaker 1: So it's been quite some time, Oh, Johnny, Johnny Manziel, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I thank you. No. When it when it comes yes,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to the Browns and Isaiah, you're
Speaker 1: back in. You're back in the Isaiah standback studios there
Speaker 1: and I could and I can hear you bawl in
Speaker 1: the water for what you're about to cook up for.
Speaker 1: He got the hey, he got the big spoon out.
Speaker 1: He's getting ready to serve this dish. Like the Browns
Speaker 1: have been a dumpster fire for years. And you look
Speaker 1: no further than the fact that they've had what six
Speaker 1: general managers in nine years, and all of the coaching,
Speaker 1: the coaching changes and things that have happened. And I
Speaker 1: think coach Kevin Stefanski is a young gun coach that's
Speaker 1: going to be on the rise. But he has benefited
Speaker 1: from the fact that he hasn't had any preseason games
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't realize what he's going
Speaker 1: to do with Baker Mayfield. He came into this knowing
Speaker 1: that he had to cure this third year quarterback, that
Speaker 1: last year man. He just it was a dismal The
Speaker 1: turnover to touchdown ratio was really bad for the Browns
Speaker 1: last year that had the tenth round pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: because they finished six and ten, and so the things
Speaker 1: that they have done, and I will just point to
Speaker 1: the fact that yes, offensive line wise, they they have
Speaker 1: gotten some better guys and shored up that right tackle
Speaker 1: position with Conklin and Jedrick Willis the left tackle out
Speaker 1: of Alabama. But the Dallas Cowboys are gonna have a
Speaker 1: lot of opportunity versus the Cleveland Browns because the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns they like to load up and do that student
Speaker 1: body right, student body left with Mick Chub which Chub
Speaker 1: and look, it's just we're just gonna be in a
Speaker 1: situation if this is a get right game, then we
Speaker 1: have the perfect opponent to get right because they're not
Speaker 1: gonna throw a lot of sophisticated, sophisticated formations at us.
Speaker 1: And they're also not going to throw the ball nearly
Speaker 1: as much as the first three games of the season
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, we're not out here looking at
Speaker 1: Jerry at golf, Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan, and week
Speaker 1: four you're looking at a dual headed backfield, which hopefully
Speaker 1: your defensive line is up to the challenge to stop.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything truly worrisome in terms of stopping
Speaker 1: the run the first three weeks, maybe with the exception
Speaker 1: of Malcolm Brown in week one in that three headed
Speaker 1: offense that we saw from the Rams perspective, But overall,
Speaker 1: the trouble has been stopping throwing the football. But do
Speaker 1: you expect maybe Baker Mayfield to let it loose a
Speaker 1: little bit more and try and get it into the
Speaker 1: playmakers of Jarvis Landry and Odell Beckham Junior Robbis we
Speaker 1: head into week four just based off of the fact
Speaker 1: that that's where the Cowboys are susceptible. You know, that's
Speaker 1: a good question. I know yesterday you asked us what
Speaker 1: concerns you most about their offense? And I think I
Speaker 1: think heck. And I said the receivers and covering their receivers,
Speaker 1: and that's obvious with Beckham and Jarvis Landry. But after
Speaker 1: watching them a little bit on game Pass yesterday and
Speaker 1: they all twenty two, I mean, I'm with Isaiah now.
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be they've got to hone
Speaker 1: in on their run game and be able to stop
Speaker 1: them from going downhill, because that's what they want to do.
Speaker 1: They don't they don't want um. They don't want Baker
Speaker 1: to cook. They don't want to let Russ cook thing
Speaker 1: going and leave them that they want. They want balanced offense.
Speaker 1: They want to establish the run and they want to
Speaker 1: get some play action going. And where they've had trouble
Speaker 1: is when they've gotten in third and longs um and
Speaker 1: and Baker's forced to really just make something happen, and
Speaker 1: sometimes he'll he'll do something impulsively. And I think they
Speaker 1: had an interception on their first series of the season
Speaker 1: against Baltimore. They got blown out by Baltimore and it
Speaker 1: was a third and long situation. UM. So they want
Speaker 1: to establish the run, and that's I'm with you, Kyle.
Speaker 1: I think overall they've done pretty solid against the run.
Speaker 1: Dallas as defensively. But Chub is a guy that's just
Speaker 1: going to move the chains. I mean, he had more
Speaker 1: ten yard runs than anybody in the league last year,
Speaker 1: and Zeke I think was third. But but he's going
Speaker 1: to continue moving the chains. And Hunt is such an
Speaker 1: interesting player because he can he can be that compliment
Speaker 1: in the running game or they can. They can put
Speaker 1: him out wide and he can do and he can
Speaker 1: hurt you there too. Yeah, that's that's going to definitely
Speaker 1: be the challenge with those two running backs and Rob Again,
Speaker 1: that's the Kevin Stefanski's cure for Baker Mayfield is setting
Speaker 1: up that run game for him and making sure that
Speaker 1: he's throwing short yards passage. I mean they're doing slants,
Speaker 1: nine routes, out routes, curls, things that are just easy
Speaker 1: for him. Those slow developing plays that they had last
Speaker 1: year that just killed his QBR. I think they've pretty
Speaker 1: much ex may those things out of the playbook for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Isiah yeah, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, here we go.
Speaker 1: All I'm gonna say is make Dallas needs to respect
Speaker 1: his team. Dallas really needs to respect his team. I
Speaker 1: have been on teams, I've been in organizations. I've been
Speaker 1: in seasons where you have looked past opponents and opponents
Speaker 1: I'm in there and bush you and your dog on mouth.
Speaker 1: I was in New England in two thousand and that
Speaker 1: was two thousand and ten when we played we had
Speaker 1: a first round buying and all of a sudden, we
Speaker 1: played Baltimore. Baltimore comes in and we're like, all right,
Speaker 1: they're a good team, but you know we're better, and
Speaker 1: they came in and and freaking ray Rice took off
Speaker 1: on the first play for eight yards at the middle end.
Speaker 1: We got ourselves busted in our mouth and we should
Speaker 1: have been out there competing for a ring. You cannot
Speaker 1: under rate and overlook this team because, as you guys
Speaker 1: mentioned Kareem Hunt, let me back this up, Cleveland's offensive
Speaker 1: line is nasty, right They nasty. They're they're mc nasty
Speaker 1: McDonald's they're getting to McNasty, all right, and that's what
Speaker 1: you want as an offensive line. Right So where I
Speaker 1: said when I said yesterday is where Cleveland is strong.
Speaker 1: Dallas is weak right now. And I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm not talking about on paper, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about in general way, Dallas has been playing in
Speaker 1: certain areas of the game, certain positions. That's where Cleveland
Speaker 1: is strong, and that's what worries me wanted to this game,
Speaker 1: I doubt. Let me be very clear, guy, know Heck's
Speaker 1: gonna try to twist my words. Dallas, I feel like
Speaker 1: is a better team Cleveland by the stats and by
Speaker 1: their record. Cleveland is playing better right now, right And
Speaker 1: let me let me give you just a little bit
Speaker 1: of information here, Heck, before you, before you, before you
Speaker 1: you get killed me here. Uh, Baker Mayfield has sixty
Speaker 1: sixty two as fast as completed Dak Prescott sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has only had to attempt eighty five passes. Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott has had an attempt one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: three one. Browns are two on one, Dallas Cowboys are
Speaker 1: one and two. Right, So, when we started talking about
Speaker 1: some of these things, and like Kareem Hunt, Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: has two hundred and four yards rushing already. Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: has two hundred and ninety two yard is rushing already.
Speaker 1: They are running the ball. And as we talk about
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make a comparison to Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: to Deck that's not what I'm doing. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is he's being asked to be a game manager.
Speaker 1: He's being asked to be what Russell Wilson was years ago,
Speaker 1: before he before he is who he is now. He
Speaker 1: just just don't lose the game, right turn around, hand
Speaker 1: the ball off to your two dogs back there. Let
Speaker 1: this old line establish a run, manage to clock, and
Speaker 1: put ourselves in a situational football to win the game.
Speaker 1: And that's what these guys are doing. And that's why
Speaker 1: I say that these guys are a little bit dangerous
Speaker 1: right now. I think that's a great point brought up
Speaker 1: by Isaiah, the fact that early in Baker Mayfield's career,
Speaker 1: as the number one overall pick and as the quarterback
Speaker 1: who's supposedly going to be the savior for this Brown's franchise,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on him. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure to perform. They really threw him into
Speaker 1: the fire immediately. They made him throw a ton of
Speaker 1: passing attempts. And now with a supporting cast around him,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to have that kind of pressure. He
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to kind of sit back and find
Speaker 1: his weapons and be able to go back behind what
Speaker 1: is a much improved offensive line. I know you guys
Speaker 1: are talking about Mick nasty in terms of the good
Speaker 1: part of the word. It was pretty nasty in terms
Speaker 1: of the bad part of the word for much of
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's career that was not a good offensive line.
Speaker 1: But like you said, Jedrick Wills Junior, who's just a
Speaker 1: fantastic pickup in the draft. They got him a tenth
Speaker 1: overall this year and he's been pretty solid as the
Speaker 1: left tackle for the brown so far. You have the
Speaker 1: other side with Conklin. You've shirt up the edges, the
Speaker 1: interior still has a little bit to work on. You've
Speaker 1: got a veteran in the middle, which is nice, and
Speaker 1: you have some guys that you can rely on from
Speaker 1: a Brown's offensive line perspective, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why they are the only team in the NFL
Speaker 1: with two two hundred yard rushers in Nick Chubb and
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. But we'll have to see how the Cowboys
Speaker 1: combat that. In terms of slowing them down. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about how to slow down those receivers with a
Speaker 1: banged up secondary. After this first break, when we come
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Jarvis Landry Odell Beckham Junior and how
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Speaker 1: a fun weekend at AT and T Stadium as the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns come to town. I will say uh. I
Speaker 1: wrote a big picture article yesterday with some of the
Speaker 1: biggest storylines surrounding this game in terms of the brown
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys, and there was a homecoming of sort
Speaker 1: for for two players, two very key players, one of
Speaker 1: which we're talking about today, the other one we'll talk
Speaker 1: about tomorrow. But Baker Mayfield a reunion with AT and
Speaker 1: T Stadium, where, of course he saw some success with
Speaker 1: Oklahoma at the university level, but he also won a
Speaker 1: state championship there in high school against my alma mater
Speaker 1: in midway when I was a sophomore, he at Lake
Speaker 1: Travis took down our Midway Panthers twenty two to seven,
Speaker 1: and what was a heartbreaker at at and T Stadium
Speaker 1: for me. So I have a personal vendetta against Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield because of this fact, and because of the fact
Speaker 1: of him beating us in the state championship game at
Speaker 1: the high school level and taking that away from me
Speaker 1: as a sophomore. But that's okay, Well, well we'll put
Speaker 1: that personal thing aside for now. The other word, the
Speaker 1: other never bring it out again. We're gonna bring it
Speaker 1: back again. I'm gonna put it back down there. Um No.
Speaker 1: So the other homecoming, of course, Myles Garrett, a product
Speaker 1: of Arlington Martin High School who was so rich in
Speaker 1: tradition in terms of the high school level around these
Speaker 1: areas and Texas and him, I'll throw that in there
Speaker 1: for you, Rob if you would like, I'll throw the
Speaker 1: Aggie statue. I got you. But but yeah, he was
Speaker 1: a five star recruit. I looked it up yesterday. He
Speaker 1: had thirty nine tackles for loss and somewhere close to
Speaker 1: twenty seven sacks as a senior in high school. And
Speaker 1: that's just ridiculous to me. That's unbelievable. The fact that
Speaker 1: you can put that, Yeah, that's about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was the number two recruit in the country behind
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette coming out of high school whenever he committed
Speaker 1: an M. But talking about Baker Mayfield and I mentioned
Speaker 1: these wide receivers he's got, he's got some targets to
Speaker 1: throw the football too. Nonetheless, whenever it comes to Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry and Odell Beckham Junior, finally those two looks like
Speaker 1: starting Ketchester stride a little bit. I know, Jarvis Landry's
Speaker 1: kind of been dealing with a little bit of an
Speaker 1: ailing injury and a nagging injury on his side of things.
Speaker 1: But Odell Beckham Junior has been playing well. Isaiah, Whenever
Speaker 1: you look at these receivers, what is it that they
Speaker 1: bring to the table that makes them stand out as
Speaker 1: opposed to what the Cowboys have already seen on the schedule. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess this is a little bit of good in
Speaker 1: mad What the Cowboys have seen over these first three
Speaker 1: weeks is they've seen some very prominent receivers that are
Speaker 1: testing their unexperienced dbs um down the field. Right. They
Speaker 1: have literally people have been blowing by our our secondary. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I don't foresee that with this particular group. Even though
Speaker 1: Landry and especially o'delle are well respected for their speed,
Speaker 1: their vertical their vertical threat, they haven't had that many
Speaker 1: big plays, right, So as I look at it, you
Speaker 1: know Landry, Landry's long of the of the year, longest
Speaker 1: play of the year is twenty one yards and o'dale
Speaker 1: as long as it's forty three yards. You know O'Dell
Speaker 1: is only he's only caught fifty percent of his targets. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Landry has caught twelve but a thirteenth that's come his way.
Speaker 1: So as you start looking at this, you know, they're
Speaker 1: becoming more possession receivers, right, They're becoming more possession receivers,
Speaker 1: and that might be more of a threat to Dallas
Speaker 1: than even some of these deeper, really deeper routes that
Speaker 1: we've been facing. I think so because because they're completing
Speaker 1: amount of higher percentage, right, they're completing about a higher percentage,
Speaker 1: And you don't when you're running the balls as efficiently
Speaker 1: as you are right now, you don't have to take
Speaker 1: those deep shots because you don't have to have those
Speaker 1: big plays. Right, It's all about moving the sticks and
Speaker 1: the way that Cleveland wins ball games right now? Is
Speaker 1: Cleveland plays keepaway? Right, they played keep away. They're not
Speaker 1: asking eighty five passes through three games. It's not a
Speaker 1: lot of passes. Yeah right, it's not a lot of
Speaker 1: passes at all. We almost hit that last week alone, right,
Speaker 1: So right now, you know it's about them in game
Speaker 1: management and putting themselves in a situation. So these receivers
Speaker 1: are possession receivers in my eyes right now, regardless of
Speaker 1: all the one hand catches that we've seen O'Dell made
Speaker 1: and all the stuff that all dancing he does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys are possession receivers. And and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to see if we can come up there and getting
Speaker 1: these guys's face. And not only one, our secondary is
Speaker 1: gonna have to be able to make tackles, right, They're
Speaker 1: gonna to make some tackles on these running backs. And two,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to be patient and keep everything in
Speaker 1: front of them. So I like that you said that, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: that that Odell Beckham is a possession receiver. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone has ever called ov J a possession receiver
Speaker 1: because you know, he has that big playability. But I
Speaker 1: think that that goes into how they are curing Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield just by those short throws. But I like I
Speaker 1: like that though. I like that for our defense. I
Speaker 1: think that digs his strength is the ability to flip
Speaker 1: his hips and close on the ball and so not
Speaker 1: getting letting people get behind them. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: those highlights over and over with people running by our
Speaker 1: safeties and our cornerbacks. But even when you go back
Speaker 1: to last week in the Seattle game, man, they were
Speaker 1: doing what they were doing to our defense with two
Speaker 1: receivers and so look, we've all of those mistakes, and
Speaker 1: the guys that we have on the roster in the secondary,
Speaker 1: I believe they're capable this week of keeping guys in
Speaker 1: front of them, and especially if these are gonna be
Speaker 1: shorter routes. But man, the worry for me is at
Speaker 1: the tight end position because I feel that Austin Hooper
Speaker 1: against Jalen Smith again, he has his work cutout for him.
Speaker 1: But guys, I feel like for Jalen Smith, this is
Speaker 1: a point where he can show what all of his
Speaker 1: strengths are, especially with these guys playing the twenty two personnel,
Speaker 1: having a fullback being able to take on those ISOs
Speaker 1: and I like Jaylen Smith and Thomas in those situations.
Speaker 1: But you're right, you know both of these guys. Landry,
Speaker 1: he's caught twelve of the thirteen targets. That means he's
Speaker 1: pretty much money anytime you throw it to number eighty.
Speaker 1: But the guys that we have, especially if we're Jordan
Speaker 1: le Us and Trey Von Diggs, I think that this
Speaker 1: is a favorable matchup for them, especially in the short
Speaker 1: possession receiver part of it. Where I worry about the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys defense is the big plays, the long developing plays.
Speaker 1: That's where we've been getting dash. So let me let
Speaker 1: me ask you can ask a question off of that car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with knowing that how these guys running the ball, right,
Speaker 1: Hack and Robert especially knowing how these guys run the ball,
Speaker 1: and knowing that Jalen Smith is aggressive and he knows
Speaker 1: that he's got to play downhill, which works to his advantage.
Speaker 1: He's a downhill player, right, So he's gonna have his
Speaker 1: eyes in the backfield. Last week. If last week wasn't
Speaker 1: proved that these safeties have their eyes in the backfield,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, right, Xavier Woods, you
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna freaking come up there and tackle
Speaker 1: somebody from twenty five yards deep. That's how much he
Speaker 1: was locked in on the backfield, right. So if these
Speaker 1: guys have a tendency to do that against that running
Speaker 1: in it without facing a predominantly running team, how much
Speaker 1: more so are they susceptible to those big plays that
Speaker 1: you're alluding to again agains a team like this, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think they are until they show that
Speaker 1: they're not, you know, and and just I'm with you
Speaker 1: guys and just watching them. They are more of a
Speaker 1: intermediate to short passing game. And I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, like, like Heck said, just trying to help
Speaker 1: Baker out, because I think he just snapped an interception
Speaker 1: streak of like eight games going back to last year,
Speaker 1: and he had one that O'Dell went in and knocked
Speaker 1: down that saved one the other last week. Ye, so
Speaker 1: you know they're they're trying to get the ball out quickly,
Speaker 1: trying to help him out. And it's not the same
Speaker 1: stylistically as the rams um, but they're trying, you know,
Speaker 1: use that run game to get into second and short,
Speaker 1: third and short and then where you're not having to
Speaker 1: take chances down the field with the ball. But based
Speaker 1: on what you saw on film from the Cowboys last year,
Speaker 1: when you have receivers of that caliber, I and Baker's
Speaker 1: got the arm to do it. I would be surprised
Speaker 1: if they didn't test Dallas at least in a couple
Speaker 1: of situations, maybe early, to see how they handled community
Speaker 1: back there. That's that's the biggest thing. That's that's what
Speaker 1: caused a lot of those problems, at least in the
Speaker 1: first half. Yeah, absolutely, Rob and Isaia to your question,
Speaker 1: they're gonna test us. Every team is gonna test us
Speaker 1: until we stop it. But that's just not yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's just not who we are, who they are right now.
Speaker 1: But at some point they're going to put the play
Speaker 1: action on display and try and bomb us until they're
Speaker 1: gonna play the percentages to see if we can stop it.
Speaker 1: So I expect them to do that. And guys, yesterday
Speaker 1: I was talking to hopeful first ballot Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, offensive lineman for the Cleveland Browns, and he
Speaker 1: talked a lot about that the Cowboys hadn't been able
Speaker 1: to They're susceptible on the play action pass and that's
Speaker 1: a strong suit for the Cleveland Browns. So I look
Speaker 1: for them to bomb us and do those kinds of
Speaker 1: things against us until we're able to stop it. Just
Speaker 1: got to show we can now the big thing too,
Speaker 1: that's help. I'm go ahead, Kyle. Sorry, Well, just the
Speaker 1: other thing that's helping their offense right now is their
Speaker 1: defense and the fact that they're forcing so many takeaways.
Speaker 1: I mean, they put up thirty plus points the last
Speaker 1: two games, but they're starting drives deep into opposing territory.
Speaker 1: I think they had four drives against Washington that started
Speaker 1: at the forty yard liner inside. So when that happens,
Speaker 1: you're able to really dictate what you want to do offensively,
Speaker 1: and that really helps your quarterback. So, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know we're talking about the Cowboys defense, but DA's got
Speaker 1: to take care of the ball. The offense has to
Speaker 1: take care of the ball, and it would probably help
Speaker 1: them if he's not throwing fifty seven times a game
Speaker 1: and they're able to have some balance where he's not
Speaker 1: dropping back so much. Well and going off of that,
Speaker 1: whenever you talk about combining what Cleveland has done from
Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint, in the five turnovers that they forced
Speaker 1: against Washington and the fact that the Cowboys have started
Speaker 1: six drives defensively in their own territory based off of
Speaker 1: mistakes early in the games versus Atlanta and versus Seattle.
Speaker 1: You can't have those two things combine. You can't spot
Speaker 1: any yardage, spot any points to this offense because, like
Speaker 1: you said, if they're able to dictate what they want
Speaker 1: to do in terms of running the football and then
Speaker 1: allowing it to take off the top of the defense
Speaker 1: with Baker Mayfield and these receivers, things are going to
Speaker 1: get really tough really quickly for Mike Nolan. But based
Speaker 1: off of kind of what all three of you guys said,
Speaker 1: the answer to slow down these receivers for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: is allow the secondary to be physical. Am I hearing
Speaker 1: that right? Because right now I think that's really kind
Speaker 1: of the strength Trayvon Diggs. Coming out of Alabama, he
Speaker 1: was known as a press man coverage corner. This is
Speaker 1: a guy who likes to get physical. This is a
Speaker 1: like guy who wants to get up in your face
Speaker 1: and make things tough. At the Linus scrimmage. Can we
Speaker 1: expect to see that not only from Diggs, from the
Speaker 1: rest of the secondary as well. Though, Isaiah, I hope so.
Speaker 1: I mean they definitely they haven't put hands on nobody.
Speaker 1: This is so far. Yeah, God Lee, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's your if that's what you're doing. Sorry,
Speaker 1: if that's what you don't, didn't do it. I don't
Speaker 1: care that. This is the NFL. Go put hands on somebody,
Speaker 1: slaps somebody in the face, especially when you're playing somebody
Speaker 1: like O'Dell Beckham, who is not emotionally stable, right, he's
Speaker 1: just not the most emotionally intelligent individual in the league.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but but you can frustrate him, right if
Speaker 1: you get your hands on him, He's gonna wind, he's
Speaker 1: gonna bicker, he's gonna try to talk to the referees,
Speaker 1: get him out of his game. Landry's the more mature
Speaker 1: one of the two, right, He's really like the big
Speaker 1: brother of the group, So that one he might be
Speaker 1: a little bit more difficult to get going. You actually
Speaker 1: might piss him off and it might actually go to
Speaker 1: opposite way for you. But as far as O'Dell put
Speaker 1: hands on him all day long, you guys, remember street Fighter, y'all,
Speaker 1: remember I Honda, y'all get Honda all up in his chest.
Speaker 1: We had a Moses reference yesterday. I have thought about
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Speaker 1: that's awesome. Let's go ahead and take our second break.
Speaker 1: On the other side of this, we're gonna really kind
Speaker 1: of look at the battle of the trenches, which I think,
Speaker 1: along with being physical on the outside, we have to
Speaker 1: find a way to win the battle of the trenches
Speaker 1: when we come back, continue on this preview of the
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Speaker 1: Back and Rob Phillips and heck, when you mentioned you
Speaker 1: had this conversation with one of the all time greats
Speaker 1: in terms of offensive lineman and Joe Thomas. He was
Speaker 1: with the Browns for so long that that consecutive snap
Speaker 1: streak and game streak and just an all around impressive
Speaker 1: career from his standpoint, and of course a gold jacket
Speaker 1: is coming his way soon. But whenever you had that conversation,
Speaker 1: did he buy any chance mention the name Alden Smith?
Speaker 1: Because my goodness, Alden Smith's been incredible for this Cowboys
Speaker 1: defensive line. I went back and launched again yesterday, and
Speaker 1: I specifically wanted to see fifty eight and whether or
Speaker 1: not he was in part in one of the three
Speaker 1: sacks that he had against Seattle on Sunday. He's just
Speaker 1: a game wrecker, and it's something that the Cowboys really
Speaker 1: wanted to see from DeMarcus Lawrence. But at least they're
Speaker 1: getting in from that side of things. Yeah, he talked
Speaker 1: about how physical a physical specimen Aldon Smith is for
Speaker 1: being able to be away from the NFL for five
Speaker 1: years and come back and play at the level that
Speaker 1: he's playing. He's like, man, even with all my iron
Speaker 1: man consecutive streak that I had in Cleveland, I couldn't
Speaker 1: even imagine doing pregame warmups right now, let alone play
Speaker 1: a full game. But he basically talked about Aldon Smith
Speaker 1: and the way how powerful he is at the one
Speaker 1: of attack and the way that he uses his hands. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we're all, you know, patting him on the back for
Speaker 1: his ability to get to the quarterback, but his strong
Speaker 1: suit is his run defense. He's one of the best
Speaker 1: run defenders that we have. But also, guys, when we
Speaker 1: say this is a good get right game for our defense,
Speaker 1: our defense, our team in general. Look at the guys
Speaker 1: that we have on our defensive line. If you just
Speaker 1: Everson Griffith, he couldn't have played for Zimmer in Minnesota
Speaker 1: if he was not stout in the run. And he's
Speaker 1: been known and that's his reputation as a run stuffer. Done.
Speaker 1: Terry Poe the same, a guy that is known around
Speaker 1: the league as a run stuffer. These guys get an
Speaker 1: opportunity versus a Cleveland Brown's offensive line. That man, these
Speaker 1: guys are really good, and to Isaiah's point, they are
Speaker 1: on a roll and they're making Nick Chubb look good.
Speaker 1: But I have to circle the matchup between Alden Smith
Speaker 1: and the rookie Willis, and I wish I could do that.
Speaker 1: What's the t and team can run to the board.
Speaker 1: I'd be pitching told and not need running to the board.
Speaker 1: Just give you an illustration of it. But I think
Speaker 1: that's where the matchup is. And I think the rookie
Speaker 1: really is going to have a trial by fire because
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith is going to be covering him for most
Speaker 1: of the game. In montest sweat last week for the
Speaker 1: Washington team really gave him fits. So that's where a
Speaker 1: lot of our pressure is gonna come from. But I
Speaker 1: look for our defense. This is a game that these
Speaker 1: guys can get muddy and physical at at and T
Speaker 1: So we're not gonna be getting muddy, but they can
Speaker 1: get physical with this offensive line. And I want to
Speaker 1: come back on Monday and say, this is a game
Speaker 1: that our defensive line took to the Cleveland Browns. I
Speaker 1: love that. I mean, no game is is truly a
Speaker 1: get right game in the NFL. But if you look
Speaker 1: at the strengths in terms of that defensive line, it
Speaker 1: does align with the fact of stopping the run and
Speaker 1: slowing down guys like Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough because both of them are receiving threats
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. But Rob, as you look at
Speaker 1: this matchup in the trenches, how imperative is it that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys still get in the backfield and really recavoc
Speaker 1: on not only the two backs but also Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: to make mistakes. Oh, it's critical every week for sure,
Speaker 1: and heck hit on it. You know that they want
Speaker 1: to run the ball. They've got some nasty interior lineman.
Speaker 1: Teller's a guy they run behind. I believe he's the
Speaker 1: right guard and but against the past, you know, I
Speaker 1: think they're trying to get the ball out of Baker's
Speaker 1: hands early though, so it might be more difficult than
Speaker 1: than what we saw in the Seattle game with Russ
Speaker 1: who likes to hold it, likes to buy time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got to be more than just Alden Smith. And
Speaker 1: like you guys said, he's been he's two eighty five,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't look it, but he plays like it
Speaker 1: because he's so powerful the way he can drive guys back,
Speaker 1: in addition to be able to bend around the edge.
Speaker 1: And uh, like Heckma said, Willis had a couple of
Speaker 1: false starts too, I believe in that game. So that's
Speaker 1: that is a matchup to watch. And I just wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, can they get DeMarcus into more
Speaker 1: of a place where he can have more than thirty
Speaker 1: snaps because they need more from him. You know, everybody's
Speaker 1: talking about its production, and yes, they need more production
Speaker 1: from he's got a They need him on the field
Speaker 1: more than half the game. So that's that's a big
Speaker 1: one too, isah. I just I mean, I look at
Speaker 1: this as an opportunity um. If as a as an athlete,
Speaker 1: as a competitor, you know, if somebody's telling you you're
Speaker 1: you're doing this or you're not doing this, and you
Speaker 1: know you're really kind of second in this area, they're
Speaker 1: calling you out right there, they're calling they're pulling your
Speaker 1: man card, right They just pulling your man card like
Speaker 1: this and just holding it in front of you. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what's being said and done to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys even as a line right now, and for good reason,
Speaker 1: because if I'm if I'm if I'm correct, I believe
Speaker 1: we're giving up around five yards per carry over these
Speaker 1: three games. You're already first three games, we're giving up
Speaker 1: around five yards per carry. And this team is coming
Speaker 1: in Kareem Humps averaging five point two per carry, Nique
Speaker 1: Shup's averaging five point seven per carry. So, um, we
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go out there improve everybody wrong
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we have fixed this defensive line problem.
Speaker 1: We do have some dogs up here, and we're not
Speaker 1: going to go out here and get pancaked, as Heck
Speaker 1: said in the break uh and not not going to
Speaker 1: become an international house of pancakes. You know, that's a
Speaker 1: little bit. We have to make sure that you know
Speaker 1: that these guys show up there. There's pride that comes
Speaker 1: with playing this game. There's pribade with being a player,
Speaker 1: and you got to refuse to not get done in
Speaker 1: and not get punked when you when you step out
Speaker 1: there and played against other grown men. Cowboys defense giving
Speaker 1: up one hundred and twenty seven yards on average per
Speaker 1: game on the ground, and then most of that really
Speaker 1: came from that first game against the Los Angeles Rams.
Speaker 1: Other than that, they've kind of at least slowed down
Speaker 1: Chris Carson for the Seattle side and then Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: for Atlanta. But it'll be an interesting matchup. Those are
Speaker 1: two backs of the backfield. You gotta have to have
Speaker 1: to get some hands on and find a way to
Speaker 1: get past this revamped offensive line from the Cleveland perspective.
Speaker 1: But we'll continue previewing this matchup. We'll flip things around tomorrow.
Speaker 1: How can Miles Carrott be stopped by this offensive line
Speaker 1: and what specific challenges does the defensive line from Cleveland
Speaker 1: present the offense. We'll talk about that tomorrow and see
Speaker 1: if Dak Prescott can continue putting up big numbers but
Speaker 1: actually get the win this time here on Sunday, but
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. Here for Talking Cowboys, thanks for
Speaker 1: listening here over the last forty five minutes. For Isaiah Stanback,
Speaker 1: for Heckma Harrison, and for the Cowboys insider Rob Phillips.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long, thanks for listening here
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