Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic Sipher. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: rams as Jah.
Speaker 2: They call me q Ward. The Q stands for Quinones
Speaker 2: For those that don't know.
Speaker 1: Listen, educate yourself. That's the man that you need to
Speaker 1: know about. Yeah, man, back to do it to you
Speaker 1: one more time, true to form. Got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about this week in the going always indeed the
Speaker 1: goings on of Black America. Stick around, We've got a
Speaker 1: great show for you. We want to talk about the census.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of information back from the Census,
Speaker 1: Remember that annoying thing that we all had to participate in. Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn how the country has been evolving and
Speaker 1: how things look and how the land lays with respect
Speaker 1: to the population and demographics and what that means. Also,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about another unfortunate police shooting that
Speaker 1: took place in San Bernardino County in California, where an
Speaker 1: officer executed an unarmed black man, this time in a
Speaker 1: porta potty, And we're going to peel away some of
Speaker 1: the layers of that and really find out what's going
Speaker 1: on and what's being done to address that is of course,
Speaker 1: we're going to have to say his name so that
Speaker 1: his life is not snuffed out in vain, so that
Speaker 1: there's another lesson that we can learn from and hopefully
Speaker 1: move forward with a little bit more mentum for making
Speaker 1: the world more equitable for all of us. Also, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about our baba section. That was it? Sorry,
Speaker 1: our baba section. I really wanted to share this story
Speaker 1: that happened at the Olympics where an athlete ran into
Speaker 1: some trouble, had someone look out for him, and a
Speaker 1: really good story came of it, and I think there's
Speaker 1: a lesson we can all learn from that. But first,
Speaker 1: let's talk about some ebony excellence. How about that.
Speaker 2: Let's do it no matter what.
Speaker 1: So the name Eva Duverne does that mean anything to YouTube?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I'm actually a huge fan of hers. What's going
Speaker 2: on with her?
Speaker 1: Well, I am not as perhaps as intimately familiar with her,
Speaker 1: but I do know one of the shows that she did,
Speaker 1: It's called When They See Us. For those that don't
Speaker 1: know or maybe didn't watch When They See Us, it
Speaker 1: was a big film on Netflix. I want to say
Speaker 1: maybe year and a half ago there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard for me to measure time. The pandemic
Speaker 2: messed up my calendar reference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So I.
Speaker 2: Don't even know how long ago that was when the
Speaker 2: pandemic started with that two years ago, was that last year?
Speaker 1: Was that earlier?
Speaker 2: I'm very very.
Speaker 1: Off something like that. But yeah. She put on this
Speaker 1: great show and it was about what we're known at
Speaker 1: the time as the Central Park Five, now referred to
Speaker 1: as the Exonerated Five, five kids that were accused of
Speaker 1: raping a woman in Central Park in New York City,
Speaker 1: who ultimately were innocent of the crime, but New York
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump and everyone had it out for them.
Speaker 1: They got convicted and they actually went to prison for
Speaker 1: a crime they didn't commit. She did a film on
Speaker 1: that story for modern Time so we could look back
Speaker 1: and find out more about the store and have some insight. Well,
Speaker 1: she is putting together a show for LeVar Burton. For
Speaker 1: those that don't know, LeVar Burton really tried to go
Speaker 1: hard and audition for the Jeopardy Spot after Alex Trebek
Speaker 1: passed away, and there was a lot of fans support,
Speaker 1: a lot of support of that online, and ultimately LeVar
Speaker 1: Burton was passed over, and so Ava Duverne, with all
Speaker 1: of her power, star power and her Hollywood might is
Speaker 1: putting together a game show specifically for LaVar Burton and
Speaker 1: hopefully is going to capitalize on that. And I think
Speaker 1: that that is an excellent example of any excellence, and
Speaker 1: so we wanted to shout out Ava Duverne for what
Speaker 1: she's doing and what she continues to do.
Speaker 2: For how did they pass on the like have they
Speaker 2: not seen a reading rainbow?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Are they serious?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 4: Just that?
Speaker 1: I think that really in terms of the online UH
Speaker 1: presence and the and the online petitions that were behind
Speaker 1: LeVar Burton's campaign, I think that speaks volumes to what
Speaker 1: it is that people wanted, what the what the people
Speaker 1: would have been enthusiastic about. So the fact that they
Speaker 1: passed over him, I think even further illuminates why it's
Speaker 1: necessary oftentimes for black people to have the capacity to
Speaker 1: create a black space so that black voices can be heard,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, we we have to give credit
Speaker 1: to a lot of the programmers that carry our show,
Speaker 1: because these are folks that are giving us an opportunity
Speaker 1: to share our black voices with other black folks, but
Speaker 1: also for folks who empathize and sympathize and our supporters
Speaker 1: of black people's plight with respect to social justice. So
Speaker 1: again shout out to Ava Duberne. But now it's time
Speaker 1: for us to talk about the census. So I'll go first.
Speaker 1: For those that don't know the census, it happens every
Speaker 1: ten years, So we have a and it happens on
Speaker 1: the tenth year, so nineteen ninety, two thousand, twenty ten.
Speaker 1: The most recent one was twenty twenty, and so we
Speaker 1: have a decade by decade accounting of the population in
Speaker 1: this country and how the population is spread out. You know,
Speaker 1: how much money people make, their education levels, their ethnic makeup,
Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to focus on today and
Speaker 1: so forth. And we have we're able to chart this
Speaker 1: data since the beginning of the first census that we
Speaker 1: ever did in this country. And something that's interesting and
Speaker 1: I thought was we're talking about today, is for the
Speaker 1: first time, the number of white people fell according to
Speaker 1: the census. Now, I have a report here, it's from
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, and I'll read a little bit from it.
Speaker 1: The report marks the first time the absolute number of
Speaker 1: people who identify as white alone has shrunk since the
Speaker 1: census started being taken in seventeen ninety. The number of
Speaker 1: people identifying as non Hispanic white and no other race
Speaker 1: dropped by five point one million people to one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety one point seven million, a decrease of two
Speaker 1: point six percent. The country also passed two more milestones
Speaker 1: on its way to becoming a majority minority society in
Speaker 1: the coming decades. For the first time, the portion of
Speaker 1: white people dipped below sixty percent, slipping from sixty three
Speaker 1: point seven percent in twenty ten to fifty seven point
Speaker 1: eight percent in twenty twenty, and the under eighteen population
Speaker 1: is now majority people of color at fifty two point
Speaker 1: seven percent. So fifty two point seven percent to one
Speaker 1: degree or another signals that sometime in the that's that's
Speaker 1: proof positive right there, that sometime in the next we'll
Speaker 1: call it thirty years, especially if this trend continues, but
Speaker 1: perhaps even before that, certainly within our lifetimes, we're going
Speaker 1: to see that white people will make up less than
Speaker 1: half of the population in this country. And I think
Speaker 1: that it's important for us to discuss this. Now. Let
Speaker 1: me start by saying, I recognize that this show exists
Speaker 1: to illuminate certain facets of the black experience that are
Speaker 1: not available to a lot of ours. Listeners. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to pretend like that's not what we're here
Speaker 1: to do, but I think that we also need to
Speaker 1: understand what's going on with I don't want to call
Speaker 1: this our adversity, but there's a huge significant population in
Speaker 1: Middle America that I can't speak for these people, but
Speaker 1: I would guess that they maybe they're not enemies. They're
Speaker 1: not people who are like all black people need to
Speaker 1: die and all Mexican people need to go to Mexico. Like,
Speaker 1: they're not those people. But they're also not people who
Speaker 1: are really concerned about what goes on with black folks,
Speaker 1: and they're really just trying to focus on them. They
Speaker 1: really couldn't care less. They found Jesus and they got
Speaker 1: a couple of shotguns, and they're like, listen, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know any black people. I don't know any Hispanics folks.
Speaker 1: I'm just doing me.
Speaker 2: They're indifferent to our experience.
Speaker 1: That's a great way of saying thank you, more or
Speaker 1: less indifferent. I love that now for these people, because
Speaker 1: they're indifferent to our experience, they they're there. Disconnect from
Speaker 1: our experience really creates an uphill battle for us. You know,
Speaker 1: indifference is really the thing that holds us back because
Speaker 1: there's a there's not a huge opposition per se for
Speaker 1: the things that black people and Hispanic folks have historically
Speaker 1: asked for. It's not a huge opposition, but there's a
Speaker 1: huge amount of people where it's just not their fight.
Speaker 1: They don't care one way or the other. And it's
Speaker 1: those people's silence that allows that vocal minority opposition to
Speaker 1: feel like a and it feels like an equal sort
Speaker 1: of match. You will, right, yeah. Now, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of great leaders who have really spoken to that
Speaker 1: white apathy that exists in some parts of this country
Speaker 1: where they just can't identify, they can't really get out
Speaker 1: of their own, you know, their own world and their
Speaker 1: own reality to see that the world might be different
Speaker 1: for someone else or don't care to. And I recognize
Speaker 1: that that's very important in keeping us from moving forward.
Speaker 1: But if we can address and we can really find
Speaker 1: a way to be brothers and sisters with those people,
Speaker 1: perhaps we can bring them into our world. We can
Speaker 1: exchange information and exchange perspectives. And this is granted, I'm
Speaker 1: an idealist. I'm one of those people that you know,
Speaker 1: believes that the world has infinite potential and that we all,
Speaker 1: as brothers and sisters on this planet, have infinite potential
Speaker 1: to love each other and be better to each other
Speaker 1: and kinder. But I think that this also helps frame
Speaker 1: why there's that disconnect. This illuminates what it is that
Speaker 1: they might think that their problems are a great way
Speaker 1: of putting it is, you know, if the white population
Speaker 1: is shrinking, then that means that the world is changing
Speaker 1: and their position in the world is shifting, and there's
Speaker 1: got to be some to some degree or another and
Speaker 1: shift an identity or I wouldn't call it an identity
Speaker 1: crisis because it's a slow moving train, but that has
Speaker 1: to have some sort of effect on the way things
Speaker 1: feel to you. And if it becomes scary to you that, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're losing in terms of the population, we're becoming the
Speaker 1: minor already, these other folks are really growing, then it's
Speaker 1: really easy for that vocal minority to pitch this narrative
Speaker 1: that we're losing this country to this type of people,
Speaker 1: those type of people, that type of people, let's get
Speaker 1: back to fighting for our country. And then in those
Speaker 1: narratives you can kind of instill this idea of patriotism,
Speaker 1: this idea of return to the way things once were,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you can point to data that says, look, clearly,
Speaker 1: you're losing this quote fight. You know, this is just
Speaker 1: the way. This is mother nature. Mother nature has decided
Speaker 1: that we're all going to interbreed, and we're all going
Speaker 1: to you know, propagate the species in such a way
Speaker 1: to where we become stronger, better, you know, healthier, live
Speaker 1: longer lives, and are more intelligent, et cetera. But you know,
Speaker 1: get let the wrong people tell the story. You know,
Speaker 1: you can get folks really scared about population shift. And
Speaker 1: then there are some other things in here that I
Speaker 1: would love to get your thoughts on. The first let
Speaker 1: me read this first part again. It's from the Washington Post.
Speaker 1: The new data shows how ethnic, racial, and voting age
Speaker 1: makeup of neighborhoods have shifted over the past decade, based
Speaker 1: on the national House to House canvas last year. It
Speaker 1: is the data most state legislatures and local governments used
Speaker 1: to redraw political districts for the next ten years. The
Speaker 1: opioid epidemic and lower than anticipated birth rates among millennials
Speaker 1: after the Great Recession accelerated the white population's decline, and
Speaker 1: then it goes on to say Asian people, who made
Speaker 1: up about three percent of the population in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: also dubbled the share shared to six point one percent,
Speaker 1: while black populations share held steady at twelve point one percent.
Speaker 1: So I want to also focus on the lower birth rates,
Speaker 1: lower than anticipated birth rates, and the opioid epidemic. So
Speaker 1: what happens is white people are also dying at a
Speaker 1: faster rate while they're failing to repopulate. And those two
Speaker 1: things make just the shifting. Because if the numbers are
Speaker 1: just shifting, I could point to nature and say like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just you know, there's people now identifying as two races,
Speaker 1: or there's you know, folks that are more comfortable checking
Speaker 1: a box and identifying with who they really are versus
Speaker 1: you know whatever. I can make up a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and people can excuse it. But when
Speaker 1: you look at the statistics to say people are dying
Speaker 1: at a way higher rate, and they're pointing to an epidemic,
Speaker 1: the opioid epidemic and saying that, you know, the birth
Speaker 1: rates are falling, then it becomes like, oh, wow, do
Speaker 1: we panic? And I think it's important for us to
Speaker 1: understand that the reality for our Caucasian brothers and sisters
Speaker 1: might be shifting, and there might be a basis for
Speaker 1: this fear that some of these folks have. There might
Speaker 1: be a basis for this paranoia. And when there's a
Speaker 1: basis for it, and someone gives them the right narrative,
Speaker 1: then it's easy to go down that path. It's not
Speaker 1: to say that these are good, decent folks, because a
Speaker 1: good number of them are not that, But it is
Speaker 1: to say that when the world is shifting around you
Speaker 1: and someone gives you an enemy to point to, it's
Speaker 1: really easy to say, oh, this is the source of
Speaker 1: my problems and then take up arms, or take up
Speaker 1: a flag with a blue stripe on it, or take
Speaker 1: up a Trump flag or whatever, and say I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stand with my people. It's us versus them, let's go
Speaker 1: to war. And I'm not trying to say that that's okay.
Speaker 1: I would never do that, certainly would never do that
Speaker 1: on this show, but I would never do it anyway.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that that's the case, but I do
Speaker 1: recognize that us fighting against each other is never gonna
Speaker 1: get us anywhere. It's gonna decrease the birth rates and
Speaker 1: the you know, the living rates for both sides, you know,
Speaker 1: and the quality of life in the interim. But I
Speaker 1: do recognize that if we have conversations that speak to
Speaker 1: these concerns and we know how to empathize, and we
Speaker 1: know how to I don't know the right conversation, I
Speaker 1: don't have the language, of course, but if we have
Speaker 1: the capacity and the empathy for a shifting world and
Speaker 1: the uncertainty that a lot of our Caucasian brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters Middle America types are facing, that once upon a time,
Speaker 1: the American dream was theirs and now it's you know,
Speaker 1: they see their family dying of drug overdoses and their
Speaker 1: parents are addicted to pills, and you know, the population
Speaker 1: is shifting, and someone gives and they're not millionaires and
Speaker 1: rock stars like they were promised. You know, the American
Speaker 1: dream is everyone grows up and you're going to be
Speaker 1: famous and you're going to do this and that and
Speaker 1: the other. And they grow up and that's not true
Speaker 1: for them, you know. And then someone said come along
Speaker 1: and says, well, you know, we don't have jobs because
Speaker 1: everyone's taking the jobs to Mexico or China or whatever.
Speaker 1: And again not to empathize, but it is to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a connection between this, that and the other thing,
Speaker 1: and if we know that, then perhaps a conversation might
Speaker 1: still work because if people can learn something, they can
Speaker 1: unlearn it, they can recognize Okay, there's different sources and
Speaker 1: there's different ways to tell these stories. The numbers don't
Speaker 1: always explain themselves readily to people who are uninitiated to
Speaker 1: interpreting data. And so I think that that is important
Speaker 1: for us to talk about because I still believe that
Speaker 1: I don't want to say we can talk our way
Speaker 1: through this part of our lives, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I do believe that conversations and education and fortunately
Speaker 1: we have a show on a platform to share with
Speaker 1: our listeners, and people that listen to our show are
Speaker 1: the type of people who would have conversations out in
Speaker 1: their respective circles and you know, provide a little bit
Speaker 1: of you know, levity when when it matters, and context
Speaker 1: when that matters, and insight and so forth, and in
Speaker 1: this case perhaps bringing along a little bit of empathy.
Speaker 1: So that's what those are my thoughts on the population shift.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: It's interesting listening to that point of view because I
Speaker 2: agree with really everything that you said. The I don't
Speaker 2: know if sad is the right word, but the kind
Speaker 2: of discouraging point is that the idea that an entire group,
Speaker 2: an entire portion of our population would be prone to
Speaker 2: fear of there being less of what they deem the
Speaker 2: pure race, right, because there's not going to be less
Speaker 2: people in general, but like you said, there might be
Speaker 2: more people that are inclined or brave enough to check
Speaker 2: that other box that they, once upon a time would
Speaker 2: have avoided, especially people that could pass for white, when
Speaker 2: it seemed that I'd have a better existence, a better life,
Speaker 2: and a better experience in this world if I identify
Speaker 2: as a white person. So our sons and daughters growing
Speaker 2: up together, falling in love and having children should be celebrated.
Speaker 2: Except we have this, ever, this ever taught and ever
Speaker 2: ingrained system of white supremacy that would teach people that
Speaker 2: they should be afraid and scared that something's going to
Speaker 2: be taken away from them based on that, and it
Speaker 2: points to something that we I like on almost every show,
Speaker 2: that a very very cornerstone principle of the foundation of
Speaker 2: our country was white supremacy and channel slavery. Coming from
Speaker 2: that idea, This entire group of people that were thought
Speaker 2: of as less than thing beneath an entire other group
Speaker 2: were actually every group of people was thought of as
Speaker 2: beneath white people in this country. So the fact that
Speaker 2: those numbers going down would be something that would stoke
Speaker 2: fearing people religious points to how far we still have
Speaker 2: to go. Encouraging though, because one day, my brother Ramsay
Speaker 2: definitely feels like one day there will be some ground
Speaker 2: made up by that silent majority, right, because the statistics
Speaker 2: are starting to bear truth that there are just in
Speaker 2: number less people prone to continue to teach and prop
Speaker 2: up this world where we're looking down at people who
Speaker 2: are different than us and considering them beneath us. But
Speaker 2: that minority is loud, and they are in positions of
Speaker 2: power and influence still, and as long as they're in
Speaker 2: those positions, we can see it. They are fighting tooth
Speaker 2: and nail to maintain that system that they created, to
Speaker 2: keep stoking those fires of fear, to keep creating division
Speaker 2: whenever they can, and to keep as much power and
Speaker 2: influence for themselves and their children as they can. So
Speaker 2: you know, our voice isn't as loud as I wish
Speaker 2: it as I wish it was, or as loud as
Speaker 2: it may be one day, But we do have a voice.
Speaker 2: We are having these conversations, as difficult as they may be,
Speaker 2: that have some time. I'm encouraged at the idea that
Speaker 2: this next generation has more people that identify as some
Speaker 2: mixture of things than just singularly white. Not because I
Speaker 2: have an issue at all with white people, but the
Speaker 2: exact opposite, the idea that if my son or your son,
Speaker 2: or the sons and daughters of our white brothers and sisters,
Speaker 2: could meet each other and not just become friends, but
Speaker 2: fall in love, start families, whatever the case, and that
Speaker 2: not be something that's frowned upon by the masses. Our hopes,
Speaker 2: my hopes more specifically, is that those who have remained
Speaker 2: silent and indifferent for centuries could just care a little
Speaker 2: bit more or speak a little bit louder, and we
Speaker 2: can have a better representation of what the country really
Speaker 2: looks like, really thinks like, really feels like. Then we
Speaker 2: seem to when it's time to cast our votes and
Speaker 2: shout out to the people who actually participated in the census,
Speaker 2: because a lot of people I don't think understand how important.
Speaker 1: It is actually now that you mentioned that. So I
Speaker 1: was I participated in getting you know, folks to vote
Speaker 1: or to participate in the census and vote. But I
Speaker 1: was really helpful in my city, and you know where
Speaker 1: I live, there's you know, a lot of Hispanic people,
Speaker 1: folks who are undocumented and you know, are they're related
Speaker 1: to someone undocumented. So there's some underrepresentation of my Hispanic
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. So I want to read this. It's
Speaker 1: a quote from Arturo Vargas, who's the chief executive of
Speaker 1: the NA l EO Educational Fund, a Latino advocacy group.
Speaker 1: He said the numbers for Hispanics were quote lower than expected,
Speaker 1: but not a surprise because the initial apportionment numbers in
Speaker 1: April were lower than we expected. End quote. Nevertheless, quote
Speaker 1: it is extraordinary that Latinos accounted for more than fifty
Speaker 1: percent of growth for all the total US population. He
Speaker 1: said that more than one out of two new Americans
Speaker 1: is a Latino. Speaks volumes about the policies and decisions
Speaker 1: leaders need to make to ensure a strong America of
Speaker 1: the future. We need investments in Latino children, the children
Speaker 1: in our classrooms today are our future doctors and lawyers
Speaker 1: and political leaders. And I love that because that also remember,
Speaker 1: the black population relatively is the same huge growth with
Speaker 1: Latino numbers, and it was still in his belief, in
Speaker 1: his estimation, under reported. And so that is the changing
Speaker 1: world that we live in. It's not good or bad.
Speaker 1: It just is what it is and we have to
Speaker 1: deal with it and we will. And now.
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Speaker 3: From head, borders behind.
Speaker 1: And then if you're just tuning into civic cipher, I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Ramsy's job.
Speaker 2: Most people call me q. My mother sometimes calls me quintin.
Speaker 2: She even sometimes sometimes calls me dirty. And that's just
Speaker 2: a that's a different conversation. I teach you guys about
Speaker 2: that one another day.
Speaker 1: Well please stick around because we have some more things
Speaker 1: to talk about coming up. We're gonna, of course dig
Speaker 1: into our way black history fact with DJ Swirrel, and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about an olympian who was able
Speaker 1: to track down a kind stranger for our Baba segment.
Speaker 1: So let's get into that right now. So have you
Speaker 1: been watching the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Qew, I didn't watch the Olympics as enthusiastically as I
Speaker 2: planned to shout out to Kenneth Ferguson and Allison Felix,
Speaker 2: my teammate from high school, and his wife. Allison got
Speaker 2: her eleventh Olympic medal, so I definitely tuned in whenever
Speaker 2: Allison was competing, But once Shakrrie Richardson was suspended, I
Speaker 2: was grossly discouraged because I was very, very excited to
Speaker 2: see her run. And she's running this weekend at the
Speaker 2: Prefontaine Classic, and she will be competing against the three
Speaker 2: Jamaican sprinters that won gold, silver, and brons at the Olympics,
Speaker 2: so that should be pretty exciting.
Speaker 1: So that sounds like a yes. And I'm glad you
Speaker 1: said Jamaican because two things are true. One is I
Speaker 1: didn't watch any Olympics again. I'm a DJ, not a
Speaker 1: sports guy. I do music. The other is that this
Speaker 1: story is about a Jamaica man and long story short,
Speaker 1: he was on his way to an event. I think
Speaker 1: he's a hurdler. He was on his way to an event,
Speaker 1: got lost in Japan, he got on the got on
Speaker 1: the wrong bus. That was it, and he ended up
Speaker 1: having to go back and he was late for his
Speaker 1: meat and so now he needed a car, like a
Speaker 1: direct way to get there, and a stranger gave him
Speaker 1: money to get in a car. And then after he
Speaker 1: won the gold medal, he went back and found the stranger.
Speaker 1: It was a little lady, and he repaid her, brought
Speaker 1: her a shirt, took a picture with her, and of
Speaker 1: course thanked her. And our Baba is not for him,
Speaker 1: it's for her. I didn't get her name, but her
Speaker 1: instagram is at d Underscore Tree Fairy, and you know it,
Speaker 1: for a lot of folks, especially in our experience, it
Speaker 1: takes a lot to be able to even have a
Speaker 1: black person approach you if you're you know, a non
Speaker 1: black woman, you know, out on the street, even if
Speaker 1: he's asking for help. You know, just I think the
Speaker 1: world has conditioned a lot of folks to be leery
Speaker 1: of that. Not everyone, but some folks. So the fact
Speaker 1: that she not only was able to help but also
Speaker 1: gave him money, I think that that shows a lack
Speaker 1: of prejudice and I want to see more of that
Speaker 1: in the world. So shout out to at the Underscore
Speaker 1: Tree Fairy, whatever your real name is, we salute you,
Speaker 1: thank you for being a better ally. And now onto
Speaker 1: some less cool news. M always that that's the name
Speaker 1: of the game. So we're going to talk about somebody
Speaker 1: who is no longer alive again on Civic Cipher. So
Speaker 1: let's dig into it. This article comes from the Grio.
Speaker 1: It's another publication that tells black stories that may not
Speaker 1: make it to Newsweek, CNN, you know Fox, of course.
Speaker 1: So I'll get into it. Headlined unarmed man fatally shot
Speaker 1: by California police in portable toilet. Fontana Police on Thursday
Speaker 1: released a statement narrated by Chief Billy Green from the
Speaker 1: fatal encounter. Green said, the man and this is his name,
Speaker 1: de Verion Deanre Canard, was holding a quote, metallic object
Speaker 1: in his hand as he sat on the portable toilet,
Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a lighter. Canard was
Speaker 1: killed February thirteenth, the day before his twenty ninth birthday.
Speaker 1: The city of Fontana has agreed to settle with his parents,
Speaker 1: According to the Press Enterprise, the law firm that represented
Speaker 1: the family and people claim to not immediately respond to
Speaker 1: requests for comment. So let's start there. First thing, this
Speaker 1: happened in February. We're hearing about it now. That's mostly
Speaker 1: because people need to investigate video footage. They need to
Speaker 1: investigate what happened, and there's a certain amount of time
Speaker 1: allowed for people to release bodycam footage, and it varies
Speaker 1: from state to state. I'm sure it varies from department
Speaker 1: to department. And so that's why the story is just
Speaker 1: making its way to us and to be fair, because
Speaker 1: I don't have to be unfair to the police. To
Speaker 1: be fair to the police, sometimes those investigations turn up surprises.
Speaker 1: It's very rare, but it does happen, and so if
Speaker 1: they need to investigate, they need to investigate. But we
Speaker 1: on this show cannot afford to let lives just get
Speaker 1: snuffed doubt without holding someone accountable, without telling the story,
Speaker 1: and without bringing some without illuminating it so that we're
Speaker 1: aware that this wasn't just you know, George Floyd, this
Speaker 1: wasn't just Michael Brown, this wasn't just Breonna Taylor, this
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, Eric Garner, this wasn't just you know,
Speaker 1: pick a name. That these are things that still continue
Speaker 1: to happen every day, and these things very much shape
Speaker 1: the way the world looks for a lot of black
Speaker 1: and brown folks. So in this case, it's Deverion DeAndre
Speaker 1: Cannard who lost his life. Now, I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: the story before I read it, just so that there
Speaker 1: are no surprises here in my estimation based on what
Speaker 1: the video held, I didn't watch the video. Did you
Speaker 1: watch it? Q?
Speaker 2: So because of the status of this case, it's still
Speaker 2: being investigated. The family has a you know, there's a
Speaker 2: criminal invest there's a civil suit that the family I
Speaker 2: think settled for a million dollars with that police department. Okay,
Speaker 2: the video footage is not readily available. There are screenshots
Speaker 2: of the video, but that's all that we're able to
Speaker 2: see right now, per the request of the family and
Speaker 2: the police department.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So I read the report. For me a
Speaker 1: person who values life and by extension, a person who
Speaker 1: values black life. I just can't keep watching people get
Speaker 1: executed on video every week. And we've talked about it,
Speaker 1: you know, many times on the show that we have
Speaker 1: a system where sometimes I'll watch a video, sometimes Q
Speaker 1: watches a video. I think this one I passed along
Speaker 1: to Q. Unfortunately there was no video there. But I
Speaker 1: just I don't have the mental bandwidth to watch human
Speaker 1: beings get executed as they're hiding in Porta potties. But
Speaker 1: I did read story, so I'll share with you the
Speaker 1: listener what I know in my estimation based on the
Speaker 1: way the story was written in the Grio. This man,
Speaker 1: de Verian, was britt He'd broken into a house and
Speaker 1: he was leaving the house carrying like a TV or
Speaker 1: something like that, and the police or the people in
Speaker 1: the house called the police. The police showed up and
Speaker 1: then he fled the scene. De Verian fled the scene.
Speaker 1: So that has to be established that you know, this
Speaker 1: guy was caught in the act, if you will, right,
Speaker 1: lots of people have stolen things in the past, not
Speaker 1: saying what this man did was right if he if
Speaker 1: in fact he did it, he never got to go
Speaker 1: to court, never got to say his peace. We don't
Speaker 1: know if that was his TV. We don't know the story.
Speaker 1: He's not here to tell it. But if if we're
Speaker 1: going to assume worst case scenario that he was in
Speaker 1: a home stealing something, oftentimes that is a crime that
Speaker 1: can be you know, folks can be rehabilitated from that.
Speaker 1: Oftentimes there's a reason for that, you know. And we
Speaker 1: can save the human being, we can save the life,
Speaker 1: we can save the heartbeat, we can save the consciousness
Speaker 1: and we can rehabilitate the criminal behavior. Oftentimes that will happen,
Speaker 1: or at least there's an opportunity for that to happen,
Speaker 1: a greater opportunity for that to happen if the person
Speaker 1: is less melanated. And that has been the experience that
Speaker 1: I've had in my lifetime at now thirty nine years
Speaker 1: as of today of living. It is my birthday, so
Speaker 1: I had to shout out myself on time.
Speaker 2: Have your birthday, sir, Thank you man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is not a death sentence, and this
Speaker 1: man shouldn't be shouldn't be gone if in fact he
Speaker 1: was guilty of the crime. Now, the way the story
Speaker 1: goes is he fled and he hid in a hord
Speaker 1: a potty, which is what creatures do when they're afraid
Speaker 1: or you know, they want to deal with whatever. And
Speaker 1: that's not just a human condition. Every creature who's alia
Speaker 1: will do that if they feel like they're in some
Speaker 1: kind of danger or jeopardy or their freedom is being jeopardized.
Speaker 1: You know, it's something that at least folks will consider,
Speaker 1: like can I get away from this? So he's hiding
Speaker 1: in a porta potty and he has a lighter. As
Speaker 1: the article mentioned, he had had a lighter in one hand.
Speaker 1: Lighter is tiny little things about the size of your finger,
Speaker 1: and in the other hand it was empty. Now, my
Speaker 1: guess is that if he's hiding at night in a
Speaker 1: porta potty, he's perhaps using the lighter for light. It's
Speaker 1: my guess. But you know who knows. Now I'll read
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Officer Johnny two Tavake, Maybe I
Speaker 1: got that wrong, who was identified in the settlement, was
Speaker 1: sworn into the department in February twenty nineteen. He remains
Speaker 1: on duty. The shooting remains under investigation by the San
Speaker 1: Bernardino County District Attorney's Office to see if any criminal
Speaker 1: charges will be filed. And just so you know, we
Speaker 1: don't anticipate any criminal charges being filed. Ever, very very
Speaker 1: rarely does that ever happen, and even rarer still does
Speaker 1: it result in a conviction. The Fontana Police are conducting
Speaker 1: an internal review to determine if departmental policy was followed.
Speaker 1: In the video, which includes a one call about a
Speaker 1: residential burglary in progress, Footage from a doorbell camera shows
Speaker 1: a man walking around the home and removing a screen
Speaker 1: from a window taking it out of you. So I
Speaker 1: guess that screen was not a TV, as perhaps a
Speaker 1: window screen. The man, who police say was Canard, went
Speaker 1: into the home through the window. Police arrived and found
Speaker 1: the screen removed and saw Canard inside. He ran out
Speaker 1: the back door as police officers followed on foot and
Speaker 1: by car and searched the area. About one thousand feet
Speaker 1: from the home. To Tavake found a portable toilet and
Speaker 1: opened the door, shining his flashlight. Due to the limited
Speaker 1: lighting in this case, the footage does not clearly show
Speaker 1: what the officer saw. Green, the police chief, said, The
Speaker 1: video shows Canard, fully clothed, sitting on the toilet with
Speaker 1: his arms folded in his lap. He appeared to wave
Speaker 1: to the officer with his left hand. His palm is
Speaker 1: open and nothing is in his hand. Then Cannard rolled
Speaker 1: quote rolled a metallic object in his right hand toward
Speaker 1: the officer. Green said to Tavake, closed the portable toilet's
Speaker 1: door and took out his gun. The police department shows
Speaker 1: this with screenshots of the footage because it occurs too
Speaker 1: quickly to see in real time video. To Tavake then
Speaker 1: reopened the door and filed a single shot killing Canard.
Speaker 1: Green said the entire encounter from when to Tavake first
Speaker 1: opened the door to opening fire was two point five seconds.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: The object in his hand was a lie, the chief said,
Speaker 1: So that's what we got. Now. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many different ways we can retell the same story, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to figure our way through it. So
Speaker 1: your initial thoughts, Q, talk to me.
Speaker 2: Let's assume all the worst. He was a career criminal.
Speaker 2: He stole TVs and stuff from people's houses every day,
Speaker 2: and he was not going to be rehabilitated. That should
Speaker 2: not be a crime punishable punishable by death. Even still, like,
Speaker 2: even if we don't give him the benefit of the
Speaker 2: doubt in any way, positively, the man did not deserve
Speaker 2: to die because he stole something. And even more so,
Speaker 2: had the homeowner pursued the thief to the porta potti
Speaker 2: out side of their home and murder them, the homeowner
Speaker 2: would be on trial for at least manslaughter. The person
Speaker 2: whose house this guy broke into would not have been
Speaker 2: able to pursue him to apport a party and murder him. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, my initial response is the same as always
Speaker 2: not only did this man not deserve to die for this,
Speaker 2: but no one does. And that is the sentiment that
Speaker 2: we continue to echo when we scream that black lives matter.
Speaker 2: We're not telling you to prioritize black life. We're not
Speaker 2: even requesting that you celebrated the way that we do,
Speaker 2: just allow it to have an existence. Like when that
Speaker 2: becomes too much to ask, that's when you, guys, see
Speaker 2: my I heighten level of frustration because we we know
Speaker 2: that the outcomes are different when the perpetrators look different
Speaker 2: and they do far more heinous things like murder multiple people.
Speaker 2: When law enforcement arrives, they are taken into custody to
Speaker 2: see their day in court for far more heinous crimes
Speaker 2: than breaking into someone's home and taking a television or
Speaker 2: whatever this young man took. And yes, please Rams offer something.
Speaker 1: I want to offer something to that. So, now that
Speaker 1: I'm rereading it, I'm recognizing that the only thing that
Speaker 1: this article states that he actually took was a screen
Speaker 1: off of the window. I thought initially when I read it,
Speaker 1: you know, I have to peruse the articles before we
Speaker 1: actually do the show. He had taken a screen like
Speaker 1: off of the wall, like a TV screen, So I
Speaker 1: don't know why I was thinking that, but so this
Speaker 1: is just kind of like the breaking in part. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's the burglary. I don't understand from what
Speaker 1: I've read him to have stolen anything. He probably was
Speaker 1: just kind of caught in someone else's house, So I mean,
Speaker 1: but even if he stole everything, Yeah, you're right. I'm
Speaker 1: just just so that we have it nailed down here.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I wanted to talk about is,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. We've seen a lot of times police
Speaker 1: interact with non melanated individuals with a lot more in
Speaker 1: the way of compassion and a lot less fear.
Speaker 2: And the greatest amounts of restraint that I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Sure, almost like, hey, we don't want to actually execute
Speaker 1: this white man for any reason. We don't have to
Speaker 1: know that we don't have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he determined that they don't have to, so they
Speaker 2: don't no matter how bad it gets, Like when we arrived,
Speaker 2: he was murdering people. That was happening when we got here.
Speaker 2: But you guys make sure we don't harm him exactly.
Speaker 1: But in this, in this instance and in so many others,
Speaker 1: we see what I what I think would be described
Speaker 1: as as fear and the fear it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a tricky thing, I believe. So fear will help you,
Speaker 1: will make you see something that's not there. You know,
Speaker 1: if you if you go into a situation expecting something
Speaker 1: to be a certain kind of a way. You know,
Speaker 1: like if you see black man and you've associated black
Speaker 1: men with criminal behavior your whole life and gangbangers and
Speaker 1: so forth and whatever, because that's what you've been fed
Speaker 1: by society. Not all black men are gang bangers. In fact,
Speaker 1: a very very extremely tiny amount are relative to the
Speaker 1: amount of black men that exist on the planet, there's
Speaker 1: black men who've never even heard of gang banging. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a fact. But if you're taught that, then that
Speaker 1: becomes your reality and you're seeing that before you see
Speaker 1: your training or before you see whatever, and so that
Speaker 1: fear takes over. So that means like, Okay, I just
Speaker 1: need an excuse to pull this trigger because I'm terrified
Speaker 1: because this person is in this port of body to
Speaker 1: kill me. Not he's in there because he's scared of me,
Speaker 1: you know, he's in there.
Speaker 2: Way I've also, I've also said before, because we kind
Speaker 2: of give, we're kind of letting people off easy with
Speaker 2: this fear thing all the time that we say sometimes
Speaker 2: it's not fear, sometimes it's hate. Sure that too, that's
Speaker 2: sometimes you're not afraid at all. You just can't wait
Speaker 2: to find what you're doing. Sure you're looking for a reason.
Speaker 2: It's not because fear can be justified, right, It would
Speaker 2: make sense if you're actually afraid for your life to
Speaker 2: protect yourself you harm someone else. That would make sense
Speaker 2: to even the most compassionate person, Right. So I don't
Speaker 2: want us to always give them the get out of
Speaker 2: jail free card of fear. Some of these people are
Speaker 2: not afraid at all. They just have their minds made
Speaker 2: up when they put that gun in that holster that
Speaker 2: given the right set of circumstances, they're going to take
Speaker 2: it out of that hoster. And sometimes that has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with them being afraid. As the example show,
Speaker 2: when the people are running the opposite direction of you,
Speaker 2: you're probably not afraid of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember the story. This might have been about maybe
Speaker 1: a year ago, a little bit more than a year ago.
Speaker 1: It was that a Wendy's in Atlanta. The man was
Speaker 1: in the parking lot, he was drunk, and you know,
Speaker 1: he fell asleep in his car and police showed up
Speaker 1: and they've talked to him, everything was friendly, and then
Speaker 1: they says, okay, we're going to arrest you. He wasn't driving,
Speaker 1: like we're going to arrest you, and he's got freaked out.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to get arrested, turns around,
Speaker 1: runs away, and they shot him in the back. And
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right because fear doesn't factor into that, It
Speaker 1: can't factor into that. There's this is the least threatening
Speaker 1: behavior humanly possible. I'm running away from you, you know.
Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right, and that needs to be discussed
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, for me, giving the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt helps me to have, at least, in
Speaker 1: this case, a little bit more fear approach to it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's be fair, let's not villainize this person. Let's
Speaker 1: give him all the possible, you know, whatever that we can,
Speaker 1: and I bet any amount of money this will still
Speaker 1: be wrong. You know. Let's give him all the latitude,
Speaker 1: all the rope that he can possibly use, and I'll
Speaker 1: bet he'll still own up hanging at the end of it.
Speaker 1: The other thing that I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: we talk about is on this show, we do deal
Speaker 1: with policing a lot. We deal with politics, of course,
Speaker 1: we deal with day to day life and activities, and
Speaker 1: we try to talk about some happy things, you know,
Speaker 1: as well. But we deal with policing a lot. And
Speaker 1: I recognize that the black experience exists beyond the bounds
Speaker 1: of police enforcement in our society. You know, there's lots
Speaker 1: of things that happen that affect Black people, in brown
Speaker 1: people and Native people in a lot of ways that
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with policing. But policing is the
Speaker 1: institution that can operate with impunity, that has taken so
Speaker 1: much away from the black family structure, especially over many decades.
Speaker 1: Over all this time, it is very much, in my estimation,
Speaker 1: weakened the black family structure and the framework of Black society.
Speaker 1: This over policing, this abusive policing, this you know, disproportionate
Speaker 1: jailing and so forth. When you look at the statistics
Speaker 1: of who's locked away and who's not, and then you
Speaker 1: look at, you know, the outcomes of those decisions, and
Speaker 1: you look at environments where you know Black people are
Speaker 1: not thriving or prospering. You know, I think that you
Speaker 1: can tell a story about how these policies and these
Speaker 1: practices have eroded the foundation of those black societies, and
Speaker 1: so policing, it is, is kind of the front line
Speaker 1: for a huge white supremacist system that disproportionately affects, negatively
Speaker 1: affects black and brown people. And because that's the that's
Speaker 1: what we bump up against very often as people in
Speaker 1: black and brown communities. A lot of times the stories
Speaker 1: begin and end right with policing. Sometimes they don't make
Speaker 1: it to court, sometimes they don't make it to you know,
Speaker 1: the other end of a story. And so I need
Speaker 1: folks to know that while we do talk about that
Speaker 1: a lot, we recognize the experience for black and brown
Speaker 1: folks as much broader than that, of course, but you know,
Speaker 1: that is something that we do need to talk about
Speaker 1: in addition to all of the other things that happen
Speaker 1: on a corporate level, based on you know, how capitalism
Speaker 1: affects black and brown people, you know, perhaps worst of all,
Speaker 1: and benefits you know, less melanated individuals most of all.
Speaker 1: And so obviously there's a lot of us who wouldn't
Speaker 1: really be huge fans of it, and on and on.
Speaker 1: But again, policing is just one of those things that
Speaker 1: we're able to really see it and see people get
Speaker 1: away with it. And there's this stunning silence that exists
Speaker 1: across America that only broke up during you know, really
Speaker 1: the George Floyd protests in my lifetime at least, and
Speaker 1: so certainly something.
Speaker 4: We're you know, talking about.
Speaker 1: But with that said, you know, we can't talk about
Speaker 1: that forever, So let's talk about something new. DJ swirl Sir.
Speaker 4: This week's way Black History Factor speaking of Jamaica deals
Speaker 4: with Marcus Garvey, who was born this day in eighteen
Speaker 4: eighty seven. Marcus Garvey was a Jamaican born black nationalist
Speaker 4: and leader of the Pan Africanism movement, which sought to
Speaker 4: unify and connect people of African descent worldwide. In the
Speaker 4: United States, he was a noted civil rights activist who
Speaker 4: founded the Negro World newspaper, a shipping company called Black
Speaker 4: Star Line, and the Universal Negro Improvement Association, a fraternal
Speaker 4: organization of black nationalists. As a group, they advocated for
Speaker 4: separate but equal status for persons of African ancestry, and
Speaker 4: as such they sought to establish independent black states around
Speaker 4: the world, notably in Liberia on the West coast of Africa.
Speaker 4: Although his legacy as a leader and activist lives on,
Speaker 4: Garvist separatists and black nationalist views would not embrace by
Speaker 4: many of his peers. In fact, W. E. B. Du
Speaker 4: Bois of NAACP famously said Marcus Garvey is the most
Speaker 4: dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and in
Speaker 4: the world. However, Garvey's supporters prefer to focus on his
Speaker 4: key message, which was steeped in African American pride. After all,
Speaker 4: he is credited with coining the phrase black is beautiful.
Speaker 4: His philosophy is perhaps exemplified in the following quote, we
Speaker 4: must canonize our own saints, create our own martyrs, and
Speaker 4: elevate to positions of fame and honor black men and
Speaker 4: women who have made their distinct contributions to our racial history.
Speaker 4: I am the equal of any white man. I want
Speaker 4: you to feel the same way. That comes from history.
Speaker 2: Dot com boom Q.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: First of all, some legendary men were born on this day. Goodness, gracious, hey,
Speaker 2: ramses job Marcus Garvey. That's that's that's all I have
Speaker 2: to say about that legendary and some of his opposition
Speaker 2: it was it was kind of you know, I compare
Speaker 2: it to you know, I already asked my mom if
Speaker 2: I could spend the night over Ramsy's house. She already
Speaker 2: said yes. So I'm not gonna ask for anything more
Speaker 2: because I don't want that yes to turn into a note.
Speaker 2: So people that opposed him and found him dangerous to
Speaker 2: the progression of black people were more afraid of the
Speaker 2: backlash because we were not in a position where we
Speaker 2: had much leverage to gain any controller, or had any
Speaker 2: power or influence. So someone who was perceived as radical
Speaker 2: for his thoughts on us being separatists and you know,
Speaker 2: black nationalists and you know, going back to a land
Speaker 2: that we could call ours, people pushed back because of
Speaker 2: the fear of hey man, we're making a little bit
Speaker 2: of progress here. Don't make too much noise. You're gonna
Speaker 2: take away what we have kind of thinking. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I just want to lend some insight to that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did watch this. Do you know how
Speaker 1: on this show oftentimes I have to tell the truth,
Speaker 1: of course, but I tell a version of the truth
Speaker 1: that's perhaps a little less harsh and a little bit
Speaker 1: more palatable for our more moderate white listeners. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't scare this type of listener off because we
Speaker 1: need to provide them some insight without overwhelming this person.
Speaker 1: Whoever this person is listening to the show. We need
Speaker 1: this person to know that we consider them a brother
Speaker 1: or a sister, but also have some very difficult conversations
Speaker 1: and deal with a reality that they may not be
Speaker 1: privy to. And so it's a delicate balance to say, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we have a problem here, and it's your problem as
Speaker 1: well as my problem, but also not to overwhelm someone
Speaker 1: because the truth is they could live their life and
Speaker 1: you know, don't care how many black people get shot
Speaker 1: in the streets. As long as not happen to them,
Speaker 1: They're fine. You know that they could conceivably have that attitude,
Speaker 1: and perhaps some listeners of this show did have that
Speaker 1: attitude before twenty twenty, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so I recognize that it does oftentimes take more than
Speaker 1: one perspective, black perspective, because there it took Malcolm, I believe,
Speaker 1: for people to listen to Mark Martin, you know, and
Speaker 1: maybe it takes Ramses for people who listen to Q
Speaker 1: you know, or you know or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and or maybe it takes another show to have people
Speaker 1: listening to civic scipe or vice versa. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I have I don't I don't profess
Speaker 1: to have any answers. I would never do that. I
Speaker 1: do know that the conversations need to be had, and
Speaker 1: I recognize that as a broadcast rum in a position
Speaker 1: to do that. And therefore we've shifted, you know, at
Speaker 1: least in my career, I've shifted away from you know,
Speaker 1: playing just playing hip hop songs to really talking about
Speaker 1: things that really matter, really trying to save lives and
Speaker 1: really trying to create better world. And fortunately, these various
Speaker 1: radio stations will give give us an hour of their
Speaker 1: airtime so that we can have conversations and hopefully emboldened listeners,
Speaker 1: allies and black and brown folks as well, so that
Speaker 1: we can all go out with this information and this
Speaker 1: you know, insight and try to make the world a
Speaker 1: better place. It's unfortunate that, you know, we have to
Speaker 1: deal with a lot of doom and gloom in Black America,
Speaker 1: but that's I think a part of the cleaning up process.
Speaker 1: And then maybe one day we can get to just
Speaker 1: kind of maintaining, you know, a happy fellowship with with
Speaker 1: you know, the other races that we share this country
Speaker 1: and this planet with. And so I with that said,
Speaker 1: I recognize that, Yeah, Marcus Garvey, some of his views
Speaker 1: were not shared, as Wirl put it with you know,
Speaker 1: his counterparts at the time. And you know, as a result,
Speaker 1: he's his name is not certainly not as popular as
Speaker 1: you know, some of the other folks. I mean, we
Speaker 1: know his name, but you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people listening right now that may have never heard of
Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey. But again, I think that it takes Marcus Garvey.
Speaker 1: It takes people to say, hey, listen, I'm black, that
Speaker 1: black is beautiful, and that you know, we need to
Speaker 1: have black industry and we need to you know, what
Speaker 1: do you say about our own saints, canonize our own
Speaker 1: saints something like that.
Speaker 4: What do you say he said, we must canonize our
Speaker 4: own set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was it? Okay cool. So you know, those
Speaker 1: sorts of things that very pro black black love energy
Speaker 1: is necessary alongside a hey let's all celebrate each other.
Speaker 1: Like if all Lives Matter was a statement that was
Speaker 1: championed by white folks or by black folks in addition
Speaker 1: to Black Lives Matter, then yeah, there might have been like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: you're kind of getting away from the narrative. But we
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. You know that it might have
Speaker 1: been somewhere in the middle we would have figured out
Speaker 1: a way from but because it was that was not
Speaker 1: the case. And it was kind of championed largely by
Speaker 1: white folks in opposition to people just saying black lives matter.
Speaker 2: Directly in opposition to people saying black lives matter exactly.
Speaker 1: That felt extra hurtful, But I do recognize it sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, it takes takes two sides. So you know,
Speaker 1: fortunately this week we get to shout out W E. B.
Speaker 1: Du Boy and Marcus Garvey and specifically Marcus Garvey. But
Speaker 1: I'm glad we got to mention du Boy as well.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's our way black History fact and
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today on Civic Cipher.
Speaker 1: So once again, I'm your host, rams is Jah.
Speaker 2: They call me q Ward Show produced by d.
Speaker 1: J Swirl, And yeah, download this and any other episode
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Speaker 3: the slash we expander. You're gonna fight the slander with
Speaker 3: the proper propaganda.
Speaker 1: What's happenings? You gotta question