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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Wednesday, January twenty First, we

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Speaker 2: hope you are staying really warm and that you're not

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Speaker 2: affected by the huge storm coming our way because we

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Speaker 2: have a stack knight of headlines. Listen, there's been a

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Speaker 2: verdict officially in the Uvaldi school shooting case. We've been

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Speaker 2: talking about this now pretty much every day for the

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Speaker 2: last week. Also shocking revelations from the au Pair double

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Speaker 2: homicide trial. I mean, Courtney Armstrong, you're creating a swell

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Speaker 2: with this case. And then also, let's not forget Blake Lively.

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Speaker 2: I remember the Blake Lively. Oh yeah, justin Baldoni law suit?

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Speaker 2: Sure do? Oh well? So text messages have been released

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Speaker 2: from our very our very own tailor Swift and honestly,

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Speaker 2: there's two sides to this story and I'm dying to

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Speaker 2: unpack them with you. It's all a bit juicy, by

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Speaker 2: the way, I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: body move in. Courtney, you're feeling a little bit better

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Speaker 2: rallying as always? Absolutely yeah, and body, same thing, both

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 3: I will listen.

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Speaker 2: We did say listen. If you're not feeling well, stay

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Speaker 2: home for the evening, rest up and wild horses. Couldn't

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Speaker 2: we see these ladies away? Well?

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Speaker 3: We got Jared Farentino too, exactly.

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Speaker 4: Jarrett and I really wanted to hear these text messages,

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Speaker 4: like I know I'm here for it. I want to

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Speaker 4: hear the juiciness. So I got out of bed. I'm

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Speaker 4: here for it all right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the band is together and hopefully you guys

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Speaker 2: are feeling well too. Let's start the night with a

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Speaker 2: talking Hi.

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Speaker 5: This is Sue from New York. As far as the

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Speaker 5: cases going on, I'm not sure that criminally charging this

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Speaker 5: one person is the right call. But haven't we seen

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Speaker 5: literally students as well as teachers protecting each other more

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Speaker 5: than this person protected at that school. Just something to

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Speaker 5: think about.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, man, that is something to think about. You're right,

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Speaker 4: but you know a jury agreed with your first point.

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Speaker 4: The jury today acquitted the former Yuvaldi School police officer

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Speaker 4: Adrian Gonsales of all twenty nine child endangerment abandonment charges

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Speaker 4: following this controversial actions during that school shooting on May

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Speaker 4: twenty fourth of twenty twenty two at rob Elementary School.

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Speaker 4: And you all remember how outraged I mean, we all

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Speaker 4: were outraged by the inaction of the police. But was

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Speaker 4: it right to paint it all on this one, you know,

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Speaker 4: school resource officer? And the jury clearly answered no.

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Speaker 2: I mean, luckily we've seen the photographs of four hundred

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Speaker 2: officers in wait soon they're after But also so it's

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Speaker 2: that question about tunnel what is it tunnel vision or

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Speaker 2: lackbreof when when put in the moment with guns drawn

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the inattentive blindness. One of the defense witnesses, retired

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Speaker 4: SWAT officer Willi Cant, explained during the defense presentation of

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Speaker 4: the case that oftentimes police officers will experience this inattentive blindness,

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Speaker 4: noting that officer's perception is limited while they're under extreme stress.

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Speaker 4: And you know, what's kind of compared to when you're

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Speaker 4: You're looking everywhere you're looking everywhere, you're stressed out. I

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Speaker 4: And the keys are in your hand or your glasses

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Speaker 4: are on your ear all day me too. Well, that's

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Speaker 4: this this inattentive blindness kind of and so I think

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Speaker 4: that was part of the reason. You know, the jury

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Speaker 4: basically said, yeah, he's not responsible for you know, the

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Speaker 3: So they acquitted him today.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, it's not an easy day for the day.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: A sucker.

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Speaker 4: But was it right to kind of put this all

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 6: So I have to, I feel it must make an apology.

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Speaker 6: As Stephanie will attest, ad nauseam, I say, well, let's

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Speaker 6: see how the trial plays out. And in this case,

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Speaker 6: I got very outrage was the word you use, body,

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Speaker 6: I was outraged. I was very emotionally charged like every

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Speaker 6: other person thinking about what happened in this case, and

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Speaker 6: I was like, guilty, throw the every all the books

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Speaker 6: at him. However, as the trial unfolded and then I understood,

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Speaker 2: Like you were inappropriately I don't think he weren't in all.

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Speaker 2: Was I not a part of that conversation like here

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, a game.

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Speaker 4: And the testimony from like the teacher who said that,

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Speaker 4: you know, they pretended to play dead and while the

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Speaker 4: school shooter taunted them and the students were comforting teachers

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Speaker 4: think we were all fairly outraged, which is fine, but

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Speaker 4: our outrage is against the shooter, not the police officer necessarily, right.

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Speaker 6: Well, not this one who was on trial for that

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Speaker 6: time period where he was alone. So let's see how

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Speaker 6: judgment changes in the next trial for the police chief. Right,

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Speaker 6: in my understanding in this moment, which may change, was

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Speaker 6: in charge of everything for those seventy seven minutes.

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Speaker 2: That's what goes on.

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Speaker 4: He is the former Uvaldie police chief, Pete Rondando, and

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Speaker 4: he's charged in connection with the delayed response that and

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Speaker 4: he still faces trial on ten counts of child endangerment.

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Speaker 4: Though no date has been set yet. Apparently he's being

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Speaker 4: sued civilly and they need to wait for that to

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Speaker 3: But yeah, there's no date for that.

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Speaker 4: But I do think there is going to be some

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Speaker 4: culpability from him from that. But you know what, that's

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Speaker 4: without the trial happening. Maybe my opinion will change, much

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Speaker 4: like yours, Courtney, if once we hear the testimony. But

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Speaker 4: there were a lot of you know, defense had some

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Speaker 4: good witnesses in this case. You know, of course the

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Speaker 4: prosecution did too. They had, you know, the teachers and

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Speaker 4: really it was emotionally very powerful. But then with the

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Speaker 4: Claudia Rodriguez testified that the shooter was fighting from the defendant,

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Speaker 4: Adrian Gonsales and the parking lot. And again, will I

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Speaker 4: explain the retired SWAT officer that testified that, you know,

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Speaker 4: they explained this inattendive blindness. I remember earlier I talked

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Speaker 4: Adrian Gonzalez, wasn't alone the whole time either, and so

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Speaker 4: I think I think that, you know, the totality of

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Speaker 4: the defense's case just outweighed the emotional testimony from from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense. And listen, I think the point

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Speaker 2: anything to be taken from this terrible scenario. Of course

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Speaker 2: there is no silver lining, but rinse, we a repeat protocol,

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Speaker 2: Rinse and repeat protocol. Right. You know, we see things

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Speaker 2: happening in the military and police forces. It's you know, drills, drills, drills.

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Speaker 2: I guess for this very moment, it's a difficult thing

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Speaker 4: It's going to be. I think it's going to be that.

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Speaker 4: You know, Adrian the defendant was alone, right. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that should be something that school resource officers should

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Speaker 4: ever be. I don't think they should ever be alone.

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Speaker 4: I think that if if if he had somebody in

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Speaker 4: had somebody to watch his back or to you know,

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Speaker 4: help his morale, even like I got you, buddy, I

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Speaker 4: know somebody to kind of pump him up and help him,

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Speaker 4: and he helped that person too. I think that might

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Speaker 4: be a policy change maybe.

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Speaker 3: I mean in an ideal world.

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Speaker 6: I could not agree with you more in the actual

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Speaker 6: world where teachers have to buy markers on their own

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Speaker 6: because their kids don't have supplies where I mean just

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you so much. But man, you're.

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Speaker 4: Right, yes it is that is a financial burden right

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Speaker 4: now that they'd have to bring on right right, Ye, Well,

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Speaker 4: maybe school can take a pay cut, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean? Like board, these school executives make a ton

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Speaker 2: Man, it just seems important topic that we talk about.

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Speaker 2: Is either a you're a teacher or security officer or

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Speaker 2: someone who has insight into someone. Yeah, he solves can

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, I'm sure this man must feel horrible, how I'm sure,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine being a victim's family right now

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Speaker 3: Even absolutely this is true crime tonight.

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Speaker 6: And if you're just joining us, we're talking about the

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Speaker 6: fact that a jury has just acquitted the former Euvaldi

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Speaker 6: School police officer Adrian Gonzales and he has been found

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Speaker 6: not of all charges. We'd love to hear your take

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Speaker 2: As always, let's.

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Speaker 8: It's your best new prim matarial. I just wanted to

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Speaker 8: who gets criminally charged if they don't act or don't

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Speaker 8: act how they're supposed to in healthcare, we can be

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Speaker 8: criminally charged. And then as well, workplaces and employers and

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Speaker 8: bosses and managers can be criminally charged if there is

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Speaker 8: isn't true. I totally agree that this is very challenging.

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Speaker 8: I don't necessarily agree that there should be consequences and

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Speaker 8: are there is loss of life, there are consequences and

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Speaker 4: So we're talking about the trial in Vivaldi. Right in

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Speaker 4: the school shooting that happened in twenty twenty two, there

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Speaker 4: was a school police officer. These are police officers, and

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Speaker 4: he was basically charged with twenty nine counts of child

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Speaker 4: endangerment and abandonment and he faced a while in jail

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Speaker 4: if he had been convicted, but he was acquitted today

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Speaker 4: and the you know, to her point, I think that's

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Speaker 4: a really good point that yeah, medical and healthcare people

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Speaker 4: can be charged criminally if somebody dies to do to

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Speaker 4: negligence or inaction on their part. I think the difference

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Speaker 4: is is that when you are in healthcare, which, by

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Speaker 4: the way, you guys are heroes, but you're not. You

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Speaker 4: don't have a gun pointed at you, right, You're not

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Speaker 2: But first, it's been a while since we've talked about

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Speaker 3: I'm just jazz to dig into this, Okay, Yes, I'm

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Speaker 3: Click right, That accurate it is.

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Speaker 6: And some names who have been dragged into this lawsuit

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Speaker 2: So they've been going all in with all these text messages,

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Speaker 4: She's very vanilla. Okay, she looks like every other actress

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Speaker 6: And if you want to know body specifically, what blake

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Speaker 4: Who knows, But she was hired to be an actress.

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Speaker 2: like smear campaigned back and forth, and they're both dropping

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00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: terrible stories about each other and throwing money at it.

436
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 2: Because then like that's not the problem here, because what

437
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: the core is what they're talking about is dangerous. I

438
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: have my working theory. I think these two were a

439
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: little sweet on each other a little bit. I think

440
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: that Blake Lively had just had her what fourth baby,

441
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: she's being rushed back to work again. Working theory, you

442
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: lose that weight, you got to be back on set

443
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: four kids in Ryan Reynolds, her husband is a superstar

444
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: doing all the pull greatness, and you know, she's like

445
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: stressing about her weight. Who hasn't been there. Suddenly now

446
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: it's post.

447
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: Mortem, you're emotional.

448
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: Maybe, I says a guest. She goes back to set

449
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: and he's that guy that's like filled with a compliment

450
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: and was like kind of a suck up, and it is,

451
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, around a big movie star. So maybe he

452
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: is sucking up a little bit, and she maybe enjoys

453
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: a little bit of the attention because she's a human being.

454
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: And then suddenly maybe Ryan comes to set and he

455
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: puts on the headphones and he smells it and then

456
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: to show him, no, my husband, that you're crazy, no way,

457
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: in fact, this guy is the worst.

458
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: And then it starts, and then it starts the and.

459
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: Maybe the defensiveness is because there was a little heat

460
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: there under the surface.

461
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: Maybe, what do you guys think. I think that's very possible.

462
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: I mean, like.

463
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: Adam Ryan.

464
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: That theory. I feel it.

465
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 9: I can see it.

466
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: Adam's in even Yeah, definitely something to.

467
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 2: Steel a little.

468
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: I don't know question marks. I'll be honest.

469
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 6: I think I think it was personal in the fact

470
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 6: that Blake Lively felt that she should run the show

471
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 6: and was unhappy that she was not the director, which

472
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 6: she was. I think that she did all the wardrobe herself.

473
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: She refused to intimacy coach, but then said there was

474
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: going to be an intimacy coach. Oh, well, back to

475
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: the lead. I'm burying it. So then Taylor Swift, her buddy,

476
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: you know, Taylor Swift has been saying listen, I don't know.

477
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: I went over her house one day and Justin Baldoni

478
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: was there and they started talking about work stuff, and

479
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: I was just like nodding my head. I didn't know

480
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: what I was walking into, because that was a very

481
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: heated point where Justin Baldoni felt like he was being

482
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: kind of attacked by by Blake Lively and her friends.

483
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: Ryan Reynolds, her husband.

484
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: And well apparently he was.

485
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Now we're seeing in the text that directionally Blake Lively

486
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 2: is saying to Taylor Swift, hey, when you walk in,

487
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: this guy is going to be there, and.

488
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: Basically tells her what to say.

489
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 6: That's not mad and to say basically that my Blake

490
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 6: Lively rewrites of the script that you, my best friend

491
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 6: Taylor Swift, have not read. Go ahead and tell Justin

492
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 6: Baldoni that my writing is so great and I got you.

493
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: She goes, I don't even expect you to read it. Now.

494
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: I appreciate that you can do that with your friend.

495
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: But if this is a lawsuit about how that didn't

496
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: happen for you, this is very.

497
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: Damning against Blake. I think.

498
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, But now today there was a debate

499
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: that maybe it made Blake look good. How remind me again?

500
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: I forget. So Jenny Slaate played a big, big part.

501
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: In this movie. If you've seen the movie, and I

502
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: got to say, for all this blue brew, haha, who cares?

503
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: I thought a very average movie.

504
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 6: It is average at best anyway my opinion. But Jenny

505
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 6: Slay was in it, who I adore, and she claims

506
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 6: so she buttresses Blake Lively's complaints and said that in fact,

507
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 6: both she and Blake Lively both complained directly to the studio.

508
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 6: She referred to the production as quote really gross and

509
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 6: disturbing shoot. Regarding Justin Baldoni, she called him a false ally.

510
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 6: And that's because Justin Baldoni had a famous ted talk

511
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 6: and presents as a male feminist, which is great to

512
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 6: have allies, Jenny Slate, saying he's a false one. She

513
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 6: goes on, he's the biggest clown, the most intense narcissist. Yeah, honestly,

514
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 6: I have no words to describe what a fraud he is,

515
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 6: and I'm unwilling to do anything that promotes the image

516
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 6: that he's crafting as a quote male feminist.

517
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some meat there then.

518
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: So this is the co star. This is Taylor Swift's

519
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: co star who plays no.

520
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 6: This is Blake's costars, Yeah, exactly in the In the

521
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 6: she played that particular actress played just So Baldoni's sister

522
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 6: in the movie and Blake Lively's best friend and sister

523
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 6: in law in the movie.

524
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: So that is really okay.

525
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: Well, this is another woman saying basically yeah, yeah, he's

526
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 4: a creep right.

527
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 6: Well, and another woman as well, one more yep So and.

528
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 2: Bun people didn't like this man Bun too. That got

529
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 2: a lot of speech.

530
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 3: I had to be honest, I don't like the man Bun.

531
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't like it cool, do.

532
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: You guys remember?

533
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 6: I believe this was in the defamation lawsuit that Justin

534
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 6: Baldoni that got dismissed. Was the betrayal and Deadpool of

535
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 6: I forget the guy's name, but it was like feminist

536
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 6: man with the man Bun, or maybe he was even

537
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 6: called man Bun.

538
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: I had one please know what I'm talking about?

539
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: Does anybody know what I'm talking about?

540
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: Or no? But I know the guy. I know that type.

541
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: We've all gone to yoga, the raps and someone's like

542
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: so interested nice everything that it's like, you know, a

543
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: little over.

544
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: The top, a little much. Yeah, yes, nice Pool.

545
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 6: So in Deadpool there was nice Pool and it's guy

546
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 6: who Justin Baldoni claims was made after him to make

547
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 6: fun of him, and he.

548
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: Does is it Sam? Okay? Sam's are resident like Deadpool expert?

549
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 10: Right?

550
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

551
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 11: So basically there was a character named nice Pool. He

552
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 11: was like had his hair in a ponytail and was

553
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 11: kind of like, you know, a male feminist.

554
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: And mister sensitive ponytail mean.

555
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 11: Right, and Justin Baldoni thinks like that was supposed to

556
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 11: be like.

557
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: But it was, So how can you deny that, you know?

558
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: And here is Blake Lively's husband who I love, Ryan Reynolds,

559
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: who's now taking a jab at nice nice pool with

560
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: a man vun in his movie. So is that a

561
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: version of pre slander? And by the way, why do

562
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: they care that much? You know? So just again, doesn't

563
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: that speak to my working theory that there's more to it?

564
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 6: It's potentially that I don't know because it could be

565
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 6: both and you know, the two of them together, and

566
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 6: I am a sucker for Ryan Reynolds. But then I've

567
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 6: also read stuff. Well, we will continue to get into this,

568
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 6: but there was some stuff that made me second guest

569
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 6: Ryan Reynolds, which broke my heart.

570
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: I was his.

571
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: Canadian in me is your mom, Ryan Reynolds.

572
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna get back.

573
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 6: I'm going to actually get the scoop from Betty on

574
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 6: this case tomorrow. But I want to get one more

575
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 6: thing in quick about this, which is the other person

576
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 6: supporting Blake. There's a lot on both sides. The woman

577
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 6: who played the younger version of Blake Lively's character. It's

578
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 6: an actress named Isabella Ferrer, and what she says is

579
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 6: that Justin Baldoni allegedly called a really PG teenage intimacy

580
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 6: scene hot, and the sixteen year old actress thought that

581
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 6: felt really strange and out of place. And Baldoni also

582
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 6: thought she should suggestively lick a cookie dough off a spoonoo.

583
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 6: She was and sixteen, and she said it didn't make sense. Okay,

584
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 6: I'm giving she was sixteen, Mister says ponytail man can know,

585
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 6: I don't. I want to know a lot on both sides.

586
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: So this is very interesting. We're going to have to

587
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: keep following this because I love the tea. Listen.

588
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: The prosecutor, he himself, Jared Farantino, was with us tonight

589
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: to answer some of your legal questions. So as he's

590
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: figuring out some tech real time, what's good we're talking about?

591
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: All right?

592
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 12: Hey, this is Ryan from Indiana. I listened to your

593
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 12: January twenty first show. Wasn't the lady talking about the

594
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 12: online dating apps and everything? And I'm just reminded of

595
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 12: the sports in Japan where the tycoon is suing his

596
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 12: ex wife because the kids they had or to what

597
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 12: he says, they were ugly and apparently the woman had

598
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 12: gone through all this spatial reconstruction surgery made herself.

599
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 13: Look like she wasn't but like it was in the jeans,

600
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 13: and their kids look like her genes, not what she

601
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 13: made herself look like. You know, then before the filters

602
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 13: and online dating apps and on that stuff, which is

603
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 13: always just funny because that's kind of always been there,

604
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 13: but maybe to an extreme in the past that actually

605
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 13: reconstruction your thank you, Wow, my goodness, that.

606
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: Is so diabolical.

607
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: Just you're joining at the perfect time. I don't know

608
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: if you heard that great talk back, thank you for

609
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: leaving it, but it basically speaks to a woman being

610
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: sued by her husband because she had so much plastic

611
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: surgery when she kids to be like her. Yeah, it

612
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: was false advertising. Slightly from a genetic standpoint, that's raw wild.

613
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: Could you imagine you're like, who is this kid does

614
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: look like?

615
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Of us?

616
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: At this point?

617
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, you know why she should burying her

618
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: heart and not concerned about you know what plastic surgery

619
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: looked like.

620
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: That's so funny though, Oh my goodness. So Hi Jared Jerry, Hello.

621
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: Hi, welcome, We can hear you? We can hear you,

622
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 4: all right, So I'm going to get it right into it.

623
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: The Keffe D. So this is a case I really

624
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: like to talk about. So there's been a couple updates.

625
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 4: So this is in relation to.

626
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: The murder of Tubac Shakorps.

627
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 4: Okay, So Tupac was killed on September seventh of nineteen

628
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: ninety six. This is what thirty is it thirty years now?

629
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: Already? I feel like nineteen ninety six was only ten

630
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: years ago. Nope, how was that possible?

631
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: So this is thirty years ago, but I remember it

632
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: clear as day, and it happened right off the the

633
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: Las Vegas Strip after a Mike Tyson fight. His name

634
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 4: is Dwayne Davis and he's now sixty two, but he's

635
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 4: famously known as Keffy D. So that's how we're going

636
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: to refer to him, okay. And he's a former South

637
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: Side Compton Crip leader and he's accused of basically orchestrating

638
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 4: the killing and has repeatedly discussed the incident, like on

639
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: talk shows and the books and magazines and YouTube channels,

640
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: like this guy is like dumb, okay.

641
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: And like to the feds.

642
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: Correct, Yeah, right, he's the dumbest, Okay, he thought he

643
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: had like an agreement with the police department that you know,

644
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 4: he was you know, not ever going to be prosecuted,

645
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: so he just like started running his mouth.

646
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: So he's been arrested.

647
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: He was arrested in a July of twenty twenty three

648
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 4: and Henderson where he lived. And Henderson is like a

649
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: suburb of Las Vegas. I actually live on the border

650
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: of Las Vegas and Henderson. They run into one another,

651
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: so it's not like this is all Las Vegas proper.

652
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: So he has a house in Las Vegas. And in

653
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 4: July of twenty twenty three, the how the cops raided

654
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 4: his home in the middle of the night and they

655
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Speaker 4: they they are filing emotion. His defense team has filed

656
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Speaker 4: the motion to suppress the evidence that they took from

657
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Speaker 4: his home. Basically, they're the defense is saying that, you know,

658
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: said keff d was like a drug lord, and uh,

659
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Speaker 4: that's what the defense is saying. That's not true, and

660
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 4: they're saying he was a drug lord and they needed

661
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: to raid this house because of that. And while they

662
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 4: raided the house, they of course got some evidence from

663
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Speaker 4: the home because they raided it, and they're asking for

664
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Speaker 4: the things that they got under that search warrant to

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Speaker 4: be suppressed.

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Speaker 3: That's the succinct way of telling you what's going on.

667
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Speaker 4: This all happened after Mike Tyson fight and Mike Tyson

668
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: fights in Las Vegas. If I could set the scene, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Mike Tyson fights in Las Vegas. Now I'm looking at

670
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Speaker 4: jareded Okay, and he's got like Rocky Balboa behind him.

671
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: He's got like all these boxing.

672
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Speaker 2: So he knows.

673
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Speaker 3: Probably back there, told Mike Tyson, can.

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Speaker 4: You probably know what I'm talking about? Like the scene

675
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 4: in Las Vegas on fight night? It is why I

676
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 4: oled you guys. The whole strip, if you can imagine,

677
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 4: almost shuts down. It is a wild time and as

678
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Speaker 4: a resident of Las Vegas, it's one of those nights

679
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I have to stay home and not

680
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 4: leave my house, right because the energy is energy is

681
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 4: super right. So this happened after a Mike Tyson fight.

682
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Speaker 4: So hours before the shooting, Tupac his aunt d Ras

683
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Speaker 4: assaulted Orlando Anderson, who's a rival gang member, outside at

684
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Speaker 4: the MGM Okay, So everybody gets to the car.

685
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Speaker 2: You see this in the documentary it's a Diddy documentary.

686
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Speaker 4: Didy documentary that you're absolutely right. So there's surveillance footage

687
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Speaker 4: from the MGM of this big you know, kerfuffle. Right,

688
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: So they all get in their cars, all right, and

689
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Speaker 4: they're driving down they're they're leaving the MGM, going you

690
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: know to I think they were going to a club

691
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Speaker 4: after and they just so happened to run into one another.

692
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Speaker 4: Orlando is in one car with kaffe D, and in

693
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Speaker 4: another car is sug Night. You guys all know who

694
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Speaker 4: sug Night is, hopefully and Tupac shakor while according to

695
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 4: kaffe D, Tupac reaches for a weapon, so they start

696
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 4: firing at Tupac's car, and of course Tupac succume to

697
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 4: his injuries six days after the shooting. So it was

698
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: it was mayhemon and craziness. So they're asking for this

699
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Speaker 4: evidence to be suppressed again. I think I mentioned that

700
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Speaker 4: the pre trial motions are currently focused around that Raid

701
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Speaker 4: and his lawyers seek to suppress all this, you know,

702
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: confiscated evidence. Kaffy D he had multiple prior profit agreements

703
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: with federal and local authorities.

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Speaker 3: Jarrett, what is a profer?

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Speaker 10: First of all, this is three weeks in a row.

706
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Speaker 10: We're talking about the Fourth Amendment. This is like an

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Speaker 10: in depth constitution.

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Speaker 2: I am obsessed with the fourth and I can say

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Speaker 2: your favorite Jared.

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Speaker 10: Yes it is, Yes, it is. So a profit is

711
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 10: basically it's called in the business the Queen for a

712
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 10: day agreement. Essentially, you get to meet with the police

713
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 10: and tell them all the nasty things you've been doing

714
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 10: and all the information you have on a case. And

715
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Speaker 10: that information, as long as it's contained in that proper statement,

716
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 10: is unable to be used against you in a proceeding.

717
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 10: So everything you've ever been told about a statement being

718
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 10: used against you for that agreement does not apply, with exceptions.

719
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Speaker 10: So Keith E d entered into an agreement with investigators

720
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Speaker 10: and told them exactly what his role was in the murder, conspiracy, murder,

721
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Speaker 10: lack of million dollar payment, and the killing of Tupac Shakur.

722
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Speaker 10: And that's set forth very very well in the Diddy

723
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Speaker 10: doc is stuff.

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Speaker 3: It is.

725
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Speaker 2: Is the one that was going to pay him.

726
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Speaker 4: Okay, so we need to talk about that, so people

727
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: for people who don't know, right, Yes, yes, So, according

728
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: to Kaffy d all Right, Diddy who went by puff

729
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: Daddy at the time, I think, right, Daddy Diddy all

730
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: these name changes.

731
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

732
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Speaker 4: Okay, so Diddy apparently arranged this hit and was going

733
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Speaker 4: to pay a million dollars to Orlando Anderson and Keffy D. Right, Well,

734
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Speaker 4: there was this middleman who was the guy who was it?

735
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Speaker 3: Do you remember?

736
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Speaker 10: I know?

737
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Speaker 2: But he ends up dying.

738
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Speaker 4: Well, okay, the middleman, the middleman was given the money apparently,

739
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: according to Keffy D and I'll be sure and whatnot,

740
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 4: was given the money, but it never made it to

741
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: the hands of Orlando Anderson and Keffy D.

742
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Speaker 3: So because he died and the.

743
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Speaker 2: Orlando died, right, yeah, he also dies. Everybody dies except

744
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: for everybody d who is basically squarely pinning it on

745
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: Diddy whose stiffed him.

746
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Speaker 3: It's hit man as stiff to to put this.

747
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: Hit out on Tupac, which is a shocking revelation late

748
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Speaker 2: in the game. Now, obviously did he's serving fifty months

749
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Speaker 2: on a different charge. Will they connect?

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Speaker 4: I know. So prosecutors are citing multiple statements and confessions

751
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 4: outside of that profer I think, right, So prosecutors are

752
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: citing all these statements that Keffy D made, including all

753
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Speaker 4: these recorded interviews. There was a twenty eighteen documentary, the

754
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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen book that he wrote called Compton Street Legend

755
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 4: Notorious Keffed's Street Level Accounts of Tupac and Biggie Murders.

756
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Speaker 4: What that's a long title. That's ridiculous.

757
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Speaker 6: So, by the way, if you're just joining us right now,

758
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Speaker 6: we are hot in the middle of what's going on

759
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Speaker 6: with Keffe D and how he's involved or not in

760
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Speaker 6: the murder of Tupac in nineteen ninety six, and we're

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Speaker 6: joined by Jarrett Farentino, Prosecutor extraordinaire. So Jarrett, I just

762
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Speaker 6: want to back up for one second. I know we

763
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Speaker 6: have a to get through body. But with the proffer

764
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Speaker 6: who benefits? Why did Keffi D spill everything? Why did

765
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Speaker 6: investigators want him to?

766
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Speaker 10: Like?

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Speaker 3: Where's the benefit loss? On both sides?

768
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Speaker 10: So the benefit to the defendant is obviously he's he

769
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Speaker 10: or she would get something in exchange for providing that information.

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Speaker 10: They're going to get immunity or reduce sentence. The prosecutors

771
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 10: are essentially getting, even if it's just the glue that's

772
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 10: that connects all of the evidence they've been able to

773
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Speaker 10: put together thus far. That is just the cherry on

774
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Speaker 10: top of the on top of the cake. I mean,

775
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 10: that's everything. It base, or it may kick off an investigation,

776
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Speaker 10: it may be the driving force behind because although the

777
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 10: information can't be used in a courtroom, it can be

778
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 10: used in warrants, Like if somebody says, my gun is

779
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 10: in my uncle's garage, you can get a warrant for

780
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 10: that garage. So the bottom line is there are benefits

781
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 10: to both sides. Keffy D's problem is he told anybody

782
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 10: with two ears all about this case. So outside extra

783
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 10: curricular statements have no bearing on the proper and would

784
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Speaker 10: be admitted the sanctity of the profit. Even if the

785
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 10: very federal investigators that took that statement wanted to use

786
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Speaker 10: his extra curricular statements against him, they could so.

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Speaker 3: And he did make a lot of statements.

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Speaker 4: Again, he had this book I'm not going to repeat

789
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: the name because it's thirty seven words long, but essentially

790
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: it's about his life on the street in Compton. And

791
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: then he had the death Row origins, the all the

792
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: information from Shude Knight and Puff Daddy and Crooked Cops

793
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 4: and a bunch of YouTube videos and its evidence of

794
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 4: all his involvement. Now the Nevada Supreme Court ruled that

795
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Speaker 4: keff D had no immunity for his prior statements to authorities. Right,

796
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Speaker 4: So that's very interesting. The case has experienced multiple delays

797
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: due to attorney changes, suppression motions, and pre trial proceedings

798
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Speaker 4: and the upcoming trial. And listen to you, guys, I

799
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: want to go to this trial. I'm going to attend

800
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Speaker 4: this trial. Okay, it's I'm telling you. I'm going to

801
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: be there ay day with a little microphone and I'm

802
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: giving daily updates.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you'll be like thee.

804
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Speaker 3: I'll be body on the street. Yes.

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Speaker 4: The upcoming trial is scheduled for August twenty twenty six,

806
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Speaker 4: right here in Las Vegas in Clark County District Court.

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Speaker 3: So, Jared, I wanted to ask you. They want to.

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Speaker 4: Suppress the the some of the evidence, including you know,

809
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: all the books. They found he had some marijuana and

810
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: they're saying that, you know, he was a drug lord

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Speaker 4: and that's why they got the search warrant, And they

812
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Speaker 4: want to suppress the evidence that they found based on.

813
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Speaker 3: The search warrant? Is it because he's not a drug lord?

814
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Speaker 4: And the cops basically exaggerated that a little bit is

815
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Speaker 4: that they want to suppress.

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Speaker 10: It kind of. So the defense has filed what's called

817
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Speaker 10: a Frank's motion, which basically says, isn't.

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Speaker 3: That what I said this morning?

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Speaker 2: Advised, you did say that this morning?

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Speaker 10: Is that the magic word I just said?

821
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Speaker 2: Ranks motion?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I wonder if they filed the franks.

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Speaker 10: Yes, so they did. And what that basically means is

824
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 10: so when you secure a warrant, you write out a

825
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 10: sworn statement, and the defense attorneys are saying, prosecutors, you

826
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Speaker 10: misrepresented to the judge that kefd is this drug lord.

827
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Speaker 10: He's a sixty something cancer survivor living home, you know,

828
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Speaker 10: on a retirement, when in reality, the prosecution saying, no,

829
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Speaker 10: that's not true. He's continued to have ganglan ties. In fact,

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Speaker 10: in twenty twenty one, he threatened Mike Tyson to a fight.

831
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Speaker 10: Oh so this is not somebody who is, you know,

832
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Speaker 10: ailing just recovering from being sick. And the other issue here,

833
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 10: it was a nighttime wart. And if anybody he knows

834
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 10: anything about the Fourth Amendment, like all the listeners of

835
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Speaker 10: True Crime Tonight know, the nighttime warrants are really an

836
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 10: extraordinary request because the Constitution protects the sanctity of your house. Correct,

837
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 10: but it really protects it at night. You've got to

838
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 10: say to a judge, Judge, we're going in at night

839
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Speaker 10: because there's extra reasons we can't go in during the day.

840
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Speaker 10: And the reasons the prosecution cited is what a dangerous guy,

841
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 10: despite his age at this point Kefid still is. And

842
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 10: when you misrepresent something like that, obviously courts don't like it.

843
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 10: But the defense is saying it's very egregious and that

844
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 10: evidence should be kept out. It's not going to get

845
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 10: kept out. I think it's going to be fine. No

846
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 10: play with adjectives here.

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Speaker 3: I followed a.

848
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Speaker 4: Lot of cases that have requested a Frank's hearing its owners,

849
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: and I knew about it based on the basically the

850
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: police lying to the judge that signed the warrant. Okay,

851
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: Now what the judge will do is they'll they'll go

852
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 4: through this motion and determine if they want to have

853
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Speaker 4: a Frank's hearing.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct, Jarrett?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 10: Yes, So there's sufficient facts plot out where judge says, hey,

857
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Speaker 10: this is worthy of me at least hearing this from both.

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Speaker 4: Sides, and if and if the judge determines if they

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Speaker 4: even have a Frank's hearing because they might just say, no,

860
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 4: there's nothing here. We don't need to have a hearing.

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00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 4: You're you know, full of it. If they decide, yeah,

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00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 4: you know this warrant was unjust, then it could be

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Speaker 4: thrown out right the.

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Speaker 10: Only as to the evidence that was collected in that house.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, listen, this is one we will be watching

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Speaker 6: and Body will be watching from the.

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Speaker 3: Frank front row.

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Speaker 6: But keep it here because at the top of the hour,

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Speaker 6: Attorney Jarrett Farantino is sticking around. We're going to discuss

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Speaker 6: the new revelations that is rocking this Virginia off air

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Speaker 6: double murder trial. Give it here a True Crime Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Body. Move in, so listen. If you've missed

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Speaker 2: the first hour of the show, please don't worry. You

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Speaker 2: can always catch us as a podcast. So we have

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Speaker 2: Jarrett Farantino with us, obviously the prosecutor answering any of

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Speaker 2: your legal questions. If you want to join us live

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Speaker 2: eight eight eight three one crime or keep the talkbacks coming.

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Speaker 2: So Courtney all week has been obsessed with this case

881
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Speaker 2: about the O pair. Jared, I know you've been following

882
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: this since day one, but basically, this man has a

883
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Speaker 2: wife and an O pair, has an affair with the

884
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Speaker 2: O pair, only to find out they decide to kill

885
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Speaker 2: her because he doesn't want to get divorced. So they

886
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Speaker 2: have a sex worker come over or somebody who just

887
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: wants to have sex with them consensually speaking, and they

888
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: try to pin it on this guy, and then instead

889
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Speaker 2: it's a double homicide.

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Speaker 10: Your question.

891
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 6: I have so many questions and this Alpaire who was

892
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: down with the plan. It appears she took a plea deal,

893
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 6: got a way reduced sentence, and she was the lead

894
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 6: in the prosecution. I feel like all of her everything

895
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Speaker 6: she had to say before we get into super super details. Jared,

896
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 6: what's sort of your take on this case. I don't

897
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 6: believe we've spoken to you about this at all.

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00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 10: Well, my take is that the police and prosecutors got

899
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 10: it right from word go. I think though as the

900
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 10: prosecution unfolded there were some botches along the way. You know,

901
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 10: they didn't do a great job with some of the blood.

902
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 10: They didn't do a great job explaining the defense has

903
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 10: done a nice job of punching some holes in the

904
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Speaker 10: prosecution theory, which is basically, our pair falls for husband

905
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 10: husband of rings to get rid of wife, make it

906
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 10: look like freak sex. Guy from Felt Life comes over

907
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 10: with to play a nice game, kills life, and then

908
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 10: husband comes in and kills guy from fat Life. Right,

909
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 10: that was the theory.

910
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: Yep.

911
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 10: Now what's happening is when a pair takes a deal

912
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 10: to man flaughter after being intimate with husband. Part of

913
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 10: the deal, she got the deal of a lifetime. Okay, hurt.

914
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 10: That hurts this case. It makes her vulnerable to attack.

915
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 10: It makes her, who was facing essentially life in prison

916
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 10: now likely to walk out of there. It throws everything

917
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 10: she is saying about the case into a little bit

918
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 10: of doubt. Now, at the end of the day, I

919
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 10: think the case is going to be fine. I think

920
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 10: it's clear what happened here. But again, when you have

921
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 10: somebody like Julianna Margaliz running around talking about different versions

922
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Speaker 10: of events taking sweet deals, her credibility is everything in

923
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 10: this case and it could get attacked and it's subject

924
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Speaker 10: to attack.

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Speaker 2: Here, can I.

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Speaker 6: Ask, do you have any idea why the plea was

927
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Speaker 6: offered as manslaughter, which is seems absolutely ridiculously low in

928
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Speaker 6: what it appears she participated in.

929
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Speaker 10: Well, I mean two things. The prosecution really needed her

930
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 10: and her attorneys held out until she got exactly what

931
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Speaker 10: she wanted, which was manslaughter. And although manslaughter itself sounds

932
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Speaker 10: like such a you're slaughtering a man, it's like, what

933
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 10: worse crime could you have? Right? It is a slap

934
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Speaker 10: on the rift, It is a really some cases a

935
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Speaker 10: manslaughter you can get probation. So she got a great deal.

936
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Speaker 10: But in my opinion, okay, and which is what you're

937
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Speaker 10: asking for, right, So in my opinion, they needed her

938
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Speaker 10: to tie all of this together. There's a lot of

939
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 10: moving parts here in this case. You know, in one sense,

940
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Speaker 10: you can look at this circumstantial case and say, oh,

941
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 10: I could see this. But when Juliana gets on the

942
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Speaker 10: stand and says, that's exactly what happened. I set up

943
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 10: the fake account, I arranged for all this this rendezvous.

944
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 10: We had it all set up that we were going

945
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Speaker 10: to happen upon them and kill that. Really, that really

946
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Speaker 10: takes things to the next level.

947
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: Right, Because she I said yesterday, they must have really

948
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 4: needed her, right, because this manslaughter plea is ridiculous, and

949
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: when she says things like yeah, we set up these accounts.

950
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Speaker 4: They did it all while Christine was scheduled to be home. Right,

951
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: they planned it, and she's the one who has all

952
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: this information to give. But I agree with Jared that

953
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: her credibility is shot, especially when the state or she

954
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: the defense asked her about this ten thousand dollars deal, right,

955
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: like family, right, So the jury is going to be like,

956
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: is she telling the truth to save herself? Or she

957
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Speaker 4: is she fibbing to save herself or maybe exaggerating her

958
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: or on exaggerating her planning?

959
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

960
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 10: Like, but body, you think about the difficulty of this prosecution.

961
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 10: If Juliana is sitting next to Brandon, agree together, locked

962
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 10: in saying no, there must have been this fet life account.

963
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 10: She was into this stuff. We just happened upon it.

964
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 10: We're the victims here, right, That is a wholly different situation.

965
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 3: And that's why now she got this deal, right.

966
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 10: And again, like I said, it's a push that negotiation.

967
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 10: They needed it and she held out. So it is

968
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Speaker 10: a push and pull that negotiation. And when you have

969
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Speaker 10: someone where the biggest problem is I could sell a

970
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 10: pretty good deal. I could sell the manslaughter to a

971
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 10: jury as a prosecutor. The tougher part, are these inconsistent

972
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 10: statements now The only way so you're always building that

973
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 10: wall of credibility. The only way to do it is

974
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 10: to say, Juliana said on this date she opened the

975
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 10: fet life account, and you have some core operating piece

976
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 10: of evidence that says Juliana was home that day. Here's

977
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 10: the transaction, or you would say Amazon would have to

978
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 10: be in on this thing, right, you're building that wall

979
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 10: of credibility for a witness who's had their credibility tarnished.

980
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 10: That's how you rehabilitate them. That's how you tell the story.

981
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 6: And that seems because even if I mean, she what

982
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 6: is it seventy one letters that the defense, the defense

983
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 6: reference seventy one letters written by Juliana in custody, and

984
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 6: they argue that she repeatedly changed her story in order to,

985
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 6: you know, implicate the defendant, Brendan Banfield, while making herself

986
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 6: look sweet as pie. But like you said, Jared, if

987
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 6: everything she's saying, even if this woman is manipulating the

988
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 6: world to make herself look more innocent, if all of those,

989
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 6: you know, when the Amazon packages arrived or when the

990
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 6: windows were indeed put in that all of what she's

991
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 6: saying can be backed up. But then I guess, how

992
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 6: do you still brush away all of the other inconsistencies.

993
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 10: Well you don't. But you know what, if you look

994
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 10: at it like a human being, you could say, look,

995
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 10: this is a young woman who's impressionable. She falls for

996
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 10: this guy, she gets wrapped up in this thing, and

997
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 10: next thing you know, it's a murder situation. She then

998
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 10: and if you've been following the case, you know that

999
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 10: Juliana moved her clothes and her pictures right from her

1000
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 10: guest room into the master bedroom within days of the murder.

1001
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 10: Let me tell you something. Those kinds of pieces of evidence,

1002
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 10: that information will hang Brendan Banfield. That's the stuff that

1003
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 10: jurors look at and you take a piece of your

1004
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 10: everyday life and say this is nuts. Clearly she's living

1005
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 10: up in there. She moved into Christine's bedroom the next

1006
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 10: day or days after. Those kinds of things, coupled with

1007
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 10: her testimony, that's how you wipe away concern earns over

1008
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 10: credibility and things of that nature. You just keep telling

1009
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 10: the story. What makes the most sense here. That's what

1010
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 10: you've been pounding away on.

1011
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 12: Wow.

1012
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 6: Right, because you get so planned, you can kind of

1013
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 6: be a garbage person, which is what she is. I mean,

1014
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 6: if you have done all these things, you can be

1015
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 6: a garbage person but still be telling the truth.

1016
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 2: Drew, But Jared, in your experience, how quickly do people fold?

1017
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: Right?

1018
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: So I would assume that people think they're all tough

1019
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: when they're in a loving relationship until one of them

1020
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: is asked to turn on the other, right, I mean

1021
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: it's they all seem to turn on each other. Right.

1022
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 10: Well, let me tell you. They say there's nothing like

1023
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 10: a woman scorned. You should see a woman or a

1024
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 10: man after their lover has turned on them. That is

1025
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 10: a whole lot deal. Like, Oh, she's testifying against you,

1026
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 10: you know, talk about rage.

1027
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: What happens?

1028
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, please paint us a picture.

1029
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: I know I would love to.

1030
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 10: Well. I interesting because when you're locked in a situation

1031
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 10: like that and you're part of it, that kind of

1032
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 10: conspiracy and secret, you think there's no stronger love than

1033
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 10: what we have. You're never going to burn me, and then.

1034
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: This is unbreakable.

1035
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 10: Right, you're the one looking at life in prison and

1036
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 10: Julianna is going to walk out of there. Her worst

1037
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 10: day is like a year behind bars. You're staring on

1038
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 10: the barrel of forever.

1039
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1040
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 4: Wow, So really all they had so from the state

1041
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 4: side of things, they had the blood spatter testimony, they

1042
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 4: had the the what was it, the oh my god,

1043
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 4: I'm drawing a blank. Now, they had the blood stain testimony,

1044
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 4: and the blood stained pattern expert turned highly technical. Right,

1045
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: he kind of lost jurors, I think in explaining what

1046
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: was going on as a prosecutor, how do you Jerett

1047
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 4: handle presenting this really complicated forensic science without losing jurors?

1048
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: Good question.

1049
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 10: I think it's important if you look at how the

1050
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 10: case unfolded. Julianna testified before all those experts. She set

1051
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 10: the stage what I usually do first of all, like

1052
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 10: I lower the lights in the courtroom. I put these

1053
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 10: fake glasses on because it's like you're going to listen

1054
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 10: to the experts now, right, it's like a college classroom.

1055
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 10: Oh it's sad, but it's.

1056
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: Like an optics No, it's the optics is everything, because

1057
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: do you want people to feel something?

1058
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 10: Right, So they have all this factual information and now

1059
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 10: you have an expert, and the best experts really break

1060
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 10: things down that everyone can understand. So if you feel

1061
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 10: like you're making your jurors understand something, and then you say,

1062
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 10: not only do you understand blood spatter, now you need

1063
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 10: to see how it fits into what that nice young

1064
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 10: woman told us yesterday, that honest young woman told us yesterday. Oh,

1065
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 10: the blood flew across the room, wouldn't you know it?

1066
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 10: That's blood spatter across the wall.

1067
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 14: It was.

1068
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 10: Right, And that again what happens now you have an

1069
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 10: expert supporting what Juliana said, and you're it's just circle

1070
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 10: of credibilt and you just keep wrapping it all together.

1071
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 10: So although it gets boring, I'm not going to say

1072
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 10: it doesn't get warm.

1073
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: I don't think it's wrong.

1074
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 10: You have to find a way to keep things moving

1075
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,479
Speaker 10: in the right direction, always building that credibility, always looking

1076
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 10: at that jury like I'm keeping my promise to you.

1077
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 10: This is what I said I was gonna do, you know,

1078
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 10: but I'm not going to say it doesn't get boring.

1079
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 10: Gets a little boring in there.

1080
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: Well, this is where showmanship of a great lawyer counts,

1081
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: right when somebody is able to break down very very dense,

1082
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 2: frankly boring information when you're getting real lost in the

1083
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: sauce and the technicalities of things. Having been in my

1084
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: fair share of courtrooms, even if you're looking at gruesome

1085
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 2: things crime scene photos, autopsy reports, your brain can only

1086
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: like capture so much stuff after a while, and like

1087
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: it almost collapses on itself, yes, and like you can't

1088
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: you cannot take any more in. So you see your

1089
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: jurors that are like yawning and nodding off.

1090
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: When we're home and watching it on TV. I can

1091
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: go to the bathroom, I can make a snack, I

1092
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 4: can't be snacked whatever, I can listening to a podcast,

1093
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 4: you have to choose right, so I can see, like,

1094
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 4: if you're forced to sit there in that hard chair

1095
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 4: for eight hours to listen to bloodstain analysis, you might

1096
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 4: be like zoning out a little bit.

1097
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: It seems like for if.

1098
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: It's eight hours of that, And also your brain only

1099
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: is shock. For course, you know that's hard to sustain

1100
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: for days on end, the shock and awe of what

1101
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: you're seeing. It almost like you have to get desensitized

1102
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: because your brain can't handle it, right.

1103
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 6: But it does seem Oh, I'm sorry, Courtney, please oh,

1104
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 6: I was going to ask Jarrett. As a prosecutor, so

1105
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 6: we've seen this defending Brendan Banfield, the husband. We've seen

1106
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 6: him sob and he has bowing his head and he

1107
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 6: seems sincere in his grief, particularly when the bodycam footage

1108
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 6: was played at the hospital where the he's told by

1109
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 6: a doctor, your wife has died. It's not a survivable injury.

1110
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 6: I mean, it's you know, would be the worst moment

1111
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 6: anyone's life, I guess unless you were the perpetrator. But

1112
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 6: my long question is do you how does that affect

1113
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 6: you as a prosecutor?

1114
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: Do you acknowledge?

1115
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: Do you care? Do you you know?

1116
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 10: Well, you could play it both ways. If he's going

1117
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 10: with the stoic look, that's plan A. If he's going

1118
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 10: to cry, that's plan B. Right, so you've got to

1119
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 10: be prepared for both. You can't really play into it

1120
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 10: too much other than here's the thing. You cannot control

1121
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 10: how a jury's going to process that information. You may

1122
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 10: think if I cry, they'll think I'm sad. They may

1123
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 10: look at that and say you pos you're crying and

1124
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 10: you did this and they and it angers them. So

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 10: as a prosecutor, I kind of let that play, Just

1126
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 10: let it go unless it became over the top. I

1127
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 10: would say, your honor, can you instruct mister Smith to

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 10: get a hold of his client over there, because this

1129
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 10: is becoming a bit much, you know, And that's to

1130
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 10: show you want to show that you have control in

1131
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 10: that courtroom you're not sitting by. But again it's that

1132
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 10: balance because then you don't want to look insensitive either.

1133
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: Well that's true, but what could you say something like

1134
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 4: he's over there emotionally crying.

1135
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: Because he knows he's going to spend the rest of

1136
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 3: his life in prison, or you know, something like.

1137
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: That, and then he's throwing like you can't handle the truth?

1138
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: Would that cause him this trial?

1139
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 2: Really?

1140
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: See this is why I'm not a lawyer. See, this

1141
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: is what I'm not a lawyer for.

1142
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 10: If he's not understand uh, that could create a problem.

1143
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 10: Now I've had I've gotten boxes of tissues and slammed

1144
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 10: them on the table in front of the and they're like, here,

1145
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 10: you're going to need these, you know, yeah now? And

1146
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 10: one thing as a jury could say, hey, he's giving

1147
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 10: him tissues, but realistically you're saying these are crocodile tears.

1148
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 10: I'm not buying your bs and neither are they Let's go,

1149
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 10: you know, But so that's how you can play into

1150
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 10: it a little bit.

1151
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: I want to see this trial that Jared Slamsey's and

1152
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 4: you're last time.

1153
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, could you imagine? What can I ask?

1154
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: Can I ask you just a lighter note about this

1155
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: Justin Bealdone, Taylor Swift nonsense? What do you think? It's

1156
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: not very good? I don't know if you're up to speed, Jared.

1157
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: But it doesn't ever end with this Justin Baldoni stuff.

1158
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 6: It doesn't end with this, but it does end with

1159
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 6: the commercial break after it, we are going to get

1160
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 6: all of Jared's thoughts on Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni,

1161
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 6: and we also have some of your talkbacks with burning

1162
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 6: legal questions for Jarrett. Get ready, you are going to

1163
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 6: be on the stand, Jared. Keep it to your true

1164
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 6: crime tonight.

1165
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1166
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body move in. Tom made a little

1168
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 2: face you go ooh, did my voice kind.

1169
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: Of cracked a little bit?

1170
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: Crack a little Yes, I got nervous for a second,

1171
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 2: bro me the funniest face. So we have Jared Farantino,

1172
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: the prosecutor, here with us answering some of your talkbacks.

1173
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: And by the way, Jared, some of them have been

1174
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: specifically left for you, so you've created your own swell.

1175
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 2: So but before we even do that, just a quick

1176
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: question on the Justin Baldoni, Taylor Swift, Blake Lively mess

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01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: What do you make of this? Is this ever going

1178
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: to end?

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01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 10: It's never good when your text messages are being read

1180
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 10: in a courtroom. I can tell you that right bad day.

1181
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 10: But here's the thing, the one my takeaway was Blake

1182
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 10: Lively apologizes to Taylor Swift for being so self involved

1183
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 10: and not being a good friend over the past year.

1184
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 10: Taylor accepts her apology, and then Blake Lively goes right

1185
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 10: back to talking about herself.

1186
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: It's so true, that's what I mean. She's not I

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01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: mean she's not. But by the way, if you can

1188
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: you imagine you're Ben Affleck or anybody who receives a

1189
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 2: text that's that long, like any this is a this

1190
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: is a general rule to anyone and within the sound

1191
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: of my voice, like nobody should text that much if

1192
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 2: you're like, would you want to do it? Stop yourself,

1193
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: get you know, take one of the paragraphs and talk

1194
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 2: it too many words, take a breath of life reads

1195
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: a little nutty.

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Speaker 10: Right, And she acknowledged. Here's the thing she acknowledged. She

1197
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 10: said she's digitally paranoid. She acknowledged the things we're going

1198
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 10: to get out. So it's like, are you setting the

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01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 10: stage for these planted texts to come in down the road?

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 10: Clearly somebody got here, had on them. She didn't delete them.

1201
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 10: She could have been using another system. This question. Then

1202
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 10: you start to wonder.

1203
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 4: So about this whole like did they send like Taylor Swift?

1204
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 4: Like a preservation request.

1205
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 10: Is it's hard to say where they came from. They

1206
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 10: could have come from Blake Lively's phone. Person would have

1207
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 10: gotten It's hard to say. So could you imagine you've

1208
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 10: gotten it that way? But again that.

1209
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so a preservation request in layman's terms. And I'm

1210
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 4: really not a lawyer, so please take it for what

1211
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 4: it's worth. But it's basically saying you can't from this

1212
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 4: point forward delete anything from your electronics, you know, if

1213
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 4: you send anth and whatnot.

1214
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some real groundbreaking rules happening at that

1215
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: point where Taylor Swift is like, are you tailor? Sing

1216
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: my little bum off around the world relentlessly and this

1217
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 2: is like a thorn in my side. I think they

1218
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: wanted her to appear for a subpoena and sit down,

1219
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think that ended up happening. But these texts,

1220
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, it depends if you like Taylor Swift or not.

1221
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: If you don't, you can read these. And I don't

1222
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: think she real paraging, I mean with her friend. I

1223
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 2: think I don't.

1224
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 3: I don't think it looks that bad for Taylor at all.

1225
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 2: I really don't, Jared, what do you think.

1226
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 10: I think that we're all human, right, no matter how

1227
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 10: famous or how big somebody like Kyler Swift gets, She's

1228
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 10: just gossiping with her girl, right. But what I think,

1229
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 10: I just I'm suspicious of whether or not these were planted,

1230
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 10: whether or not a lot of these techs where Blake Lively,

1231
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 10: like Blake Lively brought this plant. She knew this was coming,

1232
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 10: so you know, she knew her text may be fair

1233
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 10: game and acknowledges that much. Says I haven't been open

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01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 10: with you and talking to Taylor like I normally do

1235
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,479
Speaker 10: because I'm paranoid somebody's going to see this, right, So.

1236
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 2: Isn't that for me?

1237
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: I'd like, yeah, and that's what made me think of

1238
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 3: the preservation.

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01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, one last point is that this

1240
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: is a smear campaign, So that's what this is the

1241
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: first time I personally have really been in the beehive

1242
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: and something where we're seeing that people are actually hired

1243
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: on both sides to put out Instagram merson TikTok you know,

1244
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 2: you know opinion pieces that looks like it's just regular

1245
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 2: people giving their opinion, but yet they're being paid. So

1246
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 2: both sides are being paid to look so bad, and

1247
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: it is kind of shocking that that's a big piece

1248
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: of the industry, I guess is number one. Number two

1249
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: imagine everybody has unlimited funds. But you know, this is

1250
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: no fun for Ryan Reynolds, the actor, like he's like,

1251
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: how did I get roped into this mess? Are you

1252
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: married away?

1253
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: That's how let's be real.

1254
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 10: I couldn't imagine he has his hands full.

1255
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that just kind of really went sideways too.

1256
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: I was I was hook lined and sinker on these two.

1257
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: She was asking Ben Affleck to let Jen j Lo

1258
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: to get her feedback ridiculous, so too.

1259
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 3: Well, let's go to a talkback for jareded.

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01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 15: Hey, friends, it's Christie.

1261
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 14: What authority did the ICE agents have.

1262
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 8: I know you've talked about it a little bit, but

1263
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 8: like what they're ranking, I'm just curious.

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 2: Good question.

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01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 10: So ICE agents are federal agents. They're under the Department

1266
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 10: of Homeland Security. So after nine to eleven, a lot

1267
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 10: of the agencies like ATF used to be under Treasury

1268
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 10: that went under Department of Homeland Security. I think at

1269
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 10: that point there was a Joint Terrorism Task Force. During

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01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 10: all of that, things moved around and ICE went under

1271
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 10: the Department of Homeland Security that was created during the

1272
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 10: post nine to eleven era. And their authority is to

1273
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 10: enforce the immigration laws of the United States. Basically, find

1274
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 10: illegal immigrants in this country, criminal immigrants or not. Whether

1275
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 10: by criminal immigrant I'm saying, whether or not this particular

1276
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 10: individual has committed a crime or not. The sole crime

1277
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 10: could be the sole crime could be your presence in

1278
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 10: this country illegally. That's where their authority comes from. It's

1279
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 10: federal authority, it's statutory authority, and they enforced the law

1280
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 10: of immigration and citizenry in the United states.

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 4: And there's two different like kind of pieces, right, Jarrett.

1282
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 4: So there's ICE isn't just one thing. There's HSI agents,

1283
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 4: which are like federal criminal investigators. They're not the guys

1284
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 4: you really see on the streets, right, what you're seeing

1285
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 4: on the streets and on the news and whatnot. Those

1286
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 4: are RO officers of ICE. They are enforcement.

1287
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 7: I can't remember, I can't remember the acro the acronym,

1288
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 7: but they're RO officers and they are enforcing those civil

1289
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 7: immigration laws and carrying out deportations.

1290
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: Right.

1291
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 4: So like when you're looking on the news and your

1292
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 4: whatnot and you see HSI RO, that's Homeland Security Investigations

1293
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 4: and enforcement something off, Enforcement and removal operation, thank you,

1294
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 4: Enforcement and arooval operations. So yeah, they it's complicated, right, Jarrett,

1295
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 4: it's a complicated.

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Speaker 10: Well, they're carrying out a lot of what's gleaned from

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Speaker 10: the investigations from that other side of.

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Speaker 3: The ear from hside.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 10: There are white shirt ICE agents basically I don't know

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Speaker 10: that they're wearing white shirts. Most of the guys don't.

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Speaker 4: We can call them blue collar like they're they're behind

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Speaker 4: a desk, right, yeah, Right, we're.

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Speaker 10: Back at the federal courthouse, doing reading reports, locating people,

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Speaker 10: doing interviews. The enforcement folks on the ground are carrying

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Speaker 10: out basically charges and information funneled to them through that agency,

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Speaker 10: through that arm of the agency. That's what's happened, right.

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Speaker 4: And what they do is they arrest non citizens for

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Speaker 4: immigration violations. Right, those r officers they detain people under

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Speaker 4: civil immigration law and they execute the final removal of those.

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Speaker 3: People from the country.

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Speaker 4: And they can serve immigration warrants, which are different than

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Speaker 4: you know, regular warrants, which is a judicial warrant. Their

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Speaker 4: immigration warrants, which is why when somebody is at your

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Speaker 4: door and they want and you know, they want you

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Speaker 4: to open the door, and they're an ice agent, you

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Speaker 4: want to see that warrant. It needs to it needs

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Speaker 4: to be a judicial warrant for you to have to

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Speaker 4: open that door.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: If it's an immigration warrant, you do not have to

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Speaker 4: open the door.

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Speaker 10: Well, they have authority to enforce you don't have to

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Speaker 10: open the door. But there are limited grounds where they

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Speaker 10: could kick that door down there. I mean, eventually, yeah,

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Speaker 10: they could so, and we're seeing a lot of obviously

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Speaker 10: that's what we're seeing in Minnesota, right. So it is

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Speaker 10: a nuanced it's nuance ver what grounds they have. But

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Speaker 10: and things change when it is a criminal, When it

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Speaker 10: is a criminal illegal immigrant, the temperature turns up a

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Speaker 10: little bit, as you can imagine, based on the severity

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Speaker 10: of their crime too. And then sometimes the traditional rules

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Speaker 10: of criminal law kick in as well. So and you know,

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Speaker 10: we've seen that where you have an individual right on

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Speaker 10: the right on the form, the arragement form is a

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Speaker 10: quite Are you a citizen of the United States of America?

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Speaker 10: And I think that that blanket across the country now

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Speaker 10: it's something that you didn't see five or ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: What a great talkback though, Thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: Keep it coming, you know, especially when Jarrett's here, because

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Speaker 4: he's got such a good knowledge of these things. Instead

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Speaker 4: of listening to me, listen to Jarrett. Let's get for

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Speaker 4: another talkback.

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Speaker 15: Bajur got me active again. You guys got why do

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Speaker 15: you do this time? This time a question? Does United

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Speaker 15: States have any laws about police members having to identify themselves,

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Speaker 15: not hide their identity, et cetera, Because I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 15: in Canada we do. A few years back, there was

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Speaker 15: a fellow who was impersonating an our CMP officer. He

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Speaker 15: had got a retired our CMP vehicle. He ended up

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Speaker 15: getting an outfit and everything, and he ended up going

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Speaker 15: on a rampage and killing a whole bunch of people,

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Speaker 15: including acts. So in Canada, it's really important that any

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Speaker 15: kind of officer has to identify themselves as an officer

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Speaker 15: in a way that can be documented by the person. Anyways,

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Speaker 15: that's my question. Love you guys, thanks so much, and bye.

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Speaker 2: We love you too. Thank you for the talk back,

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Speaker 2: by the way, that's my question. Also.

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Speaker 10: So there's no federal law that requires police officers to

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Speaker 10: identify themselves. Most of the time they do because they

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Speaker 10: don't want to be mistaken for someone robbing you or

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Speaker 10: putting themselves in harms way they identify themselves in When

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Speaker 10: they do that and you continue to resist, it may

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Speaker 10: trigger additional criminal charges, so like resisting arrest, obstruction of justice.

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Speaker 10: So there are advantages and incentives for officers to identify themselves,

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Speaker 10: but the law doesn't require it. Some states do have

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Speaker 10: that where if you're approaching someone, you have to identify

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Speaker 10: that you're a police officer, and they even have to

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Speaker 10: give an individual your name, I'm officer Jones, Like it's

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Speaker 10: even that descript in some jurisdictions, so it's not across

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Speaker 10: the board. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like if there's like maybe an undercover cop,

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Speaker 4: right and they're like working in narcotics or something, right.

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Speaker 3: Like, and they're making a deal. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 4: I always see in movies Jarret where they're like are

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Speaker 4: you Are you a cop?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And it always makes it always implies that the cop

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Speaker 4: has to answer truthfully, is that true?

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Speaker 2: YEAHL like, what are they he's undercover? He could probably lie.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: So what do you think. I'm going to turn the

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Speaker 10: tables here, see who votes? Yes, they have to say

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Speaker 10: they're a cop.

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Speaker 2: In the movies. It seems like it's like some weird

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Speaker 2: code that they are not.

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Speaker 10: Evil to be.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't know they have to.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think they do. Because I've

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Speaker 3: seen the movie Rush. That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

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Speaker 6: And in Rush they're deep undercover drug officers trying to

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Speaker 6: infiltrate and you have carte blanche in that correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's okay.

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Speaker 10: You're putting your life at risk. Think about Donnie Brosco

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Speaker 10: for example, right, he's in deep cover into the Banano

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Speaker 10: crime family.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was the mob. You had to.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, no, you don't. You can't quite honestly, your life

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Speaker 10: is in danger at that point if you're on a deal.

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Speaker 10: So an officer would not have to now, you know.

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Speaker 10: I would venture to say half of the undercover officers

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Speaker 10: that I've worked with have been asked that question when

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Speaker 10: they're working under Oh yeah, wow, yeah yeah. Many of

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Speaker 10: them have been asked like, you're not a rat, you're

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Speaker 10: not a cop, you know, And the answer inevitably has

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Speaker 10: to be you know who says, yeah, dude, I'm undercovered.

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Speaker 2: I thought everybody had to. And you tell Tony Soprano

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Speaker 2: that you're not wearing a bug if he asks you,

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Speaker 2: of course, yes, Well they'll ask you do a line

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Speaker 2: in front of me, right, Marshall. Remember we had him

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Speaker 2: on and he got right, he got high on drugs.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't drum.

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Speaker 3: Marshal, Yeah, that's right. That it's scary. Jared.

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Speaker 9: I have a question for you if if someone isn't

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Speaker 9: sure someone is a legit officer, what's the safest and

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Speaker 9: smartest thing for a civilian to do? Like if i

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Speaker 9: I'm questioning whether this person is.

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Speaker 10: If it's a vehicle, stop, don't stop in a pose

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Speaker 10: that's not well. Let the republic, that's number one. Go

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Speaker 10: somewhere where you where it is public, if you can.

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Speaker 10: If you're not sure, do whatever you have to do

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Speaker 10: to become sure. You know, like I short of undercover work,

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Speaker 10: I'm not familiar with officers who are concealing their identity

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Speaker 10: as officers. So I haven't encountered that. What is the

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Speaker 10: advantage to that right that point? Or actually, if you're

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Speaker 10: engaging someone trying to get them to stop trying, you know,

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Speaker 10: if it's the victim of a crime, anything, it's in

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Speaker 10: their best interest, in everybody's best interest. At that point,

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Speaker 10: they identify themselves true, and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, ICE officers must identify themselves as federal law enforcement

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Speaker 4: when exercising any any kind of authority. But they don't

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Speaker 4: have to give you like personal names, right, they don't

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Speaker 4: have to say, I'm like Johnson.

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Speaker 10: That's where this debate is going because the ICE officers

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Speaker 10: are wearing masks, obstructing their last name because they're getting docked. Sure,

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Speaker 10: and that because look, what is there authority apparent to you?

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Speaker 10: That's the question. Was it immediately apparent to you that

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Speaker 10: this person was a member of law enforcement. That's the

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Speaker 10: because you couldn't see jones emblazed across their chest does

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Speaker 10: not mean it wasn't apparent. They're driving a marked police car.

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Speaker 10: For example, they're wearing a bulletproof vest that says police

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Speaker 10: across the front. At that point, that's a cop.

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Speaker 12: Hm.

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Speaker 14: Right?

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Speaker 6: I mean and one more thing, I feel like I

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Speaker 6: used to know the answer to this. If you are

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Speaker 6: saying you're I'll just paint the most. You know, you're

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Speaker 6: a teenage girl and you're driving and it's a stretch

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Speaker 6: of dirt road and someone has, you know, a light

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Speaker 6: on the top of their car.

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Speaker 3: Will you get in trouble if you go?

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Speaker 6: Say to the next egg it like, if you keep

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Speaker 6: going for a little bit longer until you're in that

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Speaker 6: well lit.

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Speaker 10: Please, I would just say this, it's worth the risk

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Speaker 10: to take the worth the risk of the trouble. If

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Speaker 10: you're that concerned, you know, not to be flipping about it.

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Speaker 10: If someone exactly hearn go somewhere safe and say to

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Speaker 10: the opicer, officer, I see I'm a young woman traveling

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Speaker 10: on my own.

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Speaker 4: You know, well, Jarrett, you've been a wealth of knowledge Again,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much for joining us tonight. We look

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Speaker 4: forward all week to having you here. We save up

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Speaker 4: all the talkbacks for you. Anyone who wants more of

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Speaker 4: Jarrett and who doesn't that you could follow him on

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Speaker 4: social media at Jarrett Farantino on Instagram and you can

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Speaker 4: also prehorder his upcoming book Mothers, Murders and Motivation True

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Speaker 4: grem Tonight.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here at Courtney

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Speaker 2: and Body. We have Adam and Sam waiting for your

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Speaker 2: calls and talk back, and of course we have producer

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Speaker 2: Taha in the house. So yeah, I mean listen, by

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Speaker 2: the way, is a storm come in? We haven't talk

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Speaker 2: back coming in and this is quite the night.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 16: Hi, It's Carol from Pennsylvania. I just wanted to test

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Speaker 16: on the lawsuit going against the college in the pro

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Speaker 16: Burger case. The college, I mean, they were walking people

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Speaker 16: to their cars when you requested, and I would like

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Speaker 16: to believe that they were talking about it amongst themselves

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Speaker 16: and what were they going to do? But I don't

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Speaker 16: think anyone in their wildest dreams would ever think that

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Speaker 16: Brian would do what he did. I mean, I myself

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Speaker 16: can't conceive of thinking, oh, well, he's acting weird and

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Speaker 16: he's a little pushy and women don't feel safe. I

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Speaker 16: don't think I would ever think that he would do

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Speaker 16: what he did, So I just wanted to add that.

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Speaker 16: Thanks by.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really good talk about and it's true, you know,

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Speaker 4: like I can't imagine that if anybody really knew what

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Speaker 4: he was going to become, they just would have let

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Speaker 4: it happen.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know what they could do.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why it's important that we talk about it,

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Speaker 2: you know, because again, yes, I think to our caller's point,

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Speaker 2: that's not where your brain automatically goes. Is oh someone's

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Speaker 2: giving you know, a student a bad vibe. Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: might be a mass murderer. That's typically not the that's

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Speaker 2: a leap right until we talk about stuff like this,

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Speaker 2: and you know, because that would be an example of

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Speaker 2: sort of alone alone killer. It really never made.

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Speaker 3: Full I think.

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Speaker 4: I think the point of a lawsuit from at least

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Speaker 4: the family's perspective is to get to prevent this from

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Speaker 4: happening again, right, I mean, obviously that's the only really

1510
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 4: thing that they can get from this, and you know,

1511
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 4: if it forces the school to maybe make some sort

1512
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 4: of investigatory probe into people who were acting this way,

1513
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 4: if they get X number of complaints against them, you

1514
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 4: know that he got thirteen that we know of, and

1515
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 4: if maybe if they get to nine, you know you

1516
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 4: have some sort of probe at that point.

1517
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 14: Ye.

1518
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 2: How we say thirteen is pretty astounding, and I think

1519
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 2: that's probably part of the issue is that's a very

1520
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:29,839
Speaker 2: large number and you're sending your child someplace to be safe,

1521
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: and that doesn't really imply great safety. Right.

1522
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:37,480
Speaker 3: Did you guys see these new photos that came out yesterday.

1523
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: It's brutal of.

1524
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1525
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: In just in case no one's familiar with the case,

1526
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 2: we're talking about the Idaho student murders. For incredible friends

1527
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: and also roommates lost their lives. Brian Coberger, who was

1528
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: the accused, ultimately took a plead deal and has not

1529
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 2: had to allocate. Been a big lawlawsuit that's brought up

1530
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:05,520
Speaker 2: now against the university where he was a teacher's assistant

1531
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: studying getting a PhD in criminology, I might add, and

1532
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: working for the school and working for that school. So

1533
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: the victims. Families are basically saying like, look, were there

1534
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 2: reports against this guy? So you let this what we

1535
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: now know to be a predator on the loose and

1536
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: there had been all these warning signs. How does that

1537
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: make sense? Hashtag? Let's cut to a huge lawsuit that

1538
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 2: just dropped and some photographs that were recently released by

1539
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 2: authorities that are extremely graphic. But I don't know what

1540
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: you think. I don't know if it's just.

1541
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 4: I was very surprised at how terrible the redactions were.

1542
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 4: I mean, we can see like Xana's hair.

1543
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's for the families.

1544
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 4: It's really mean, you know, I often, you know, it

1545
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: kind of took a little bit of a of a

1546
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 4: hit because I was kind of saying, you know, oh, well,

1547
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 4: you know, Brian Coberger, he does does have rights still,

1548
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 4: and you know, we got to feed him and whatnot.

1549
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 4: And after seeing those photos yesterday, I reread his complaint

1550
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 4: about his little cable TV not working, and I was like,

1551
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 4: you know what suffer who your cable TV isn't working.

1552
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 4: I saw what you did to those four people, you

1553
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 4: brutal monster. I mean, the amount of savagery that I

1554
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 4: saw in that room, it's it's going to stay with

1555
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 4: me for a hot minute.

1556
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: I definitely not recommend. I just got to say it,

1557
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 2: and I listen. I don't know what the line is.

1558
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 2: We make true crime all day, so for me to

1559
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: say that there should be a line is saying a lot.

1560
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 2: I don't want people looking at these I don't want

1561
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: to see them. I think it's necessary.

1562
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 6: I don't know what the greater good is of putting

1563
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 6: this out there.

1564
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 3: That's that's the point.

1565
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 6: I mean, the murderer's confessed, and where he belongs. The

1566
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 6: case in this moment is closed, and and why just

1567
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 6: that the privacy of the last and moments.

1568
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 2: There's no outstanding detail per se that this leads to

1569
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,839
Speaker 2: solve the riddle like why are they still being released?

1570
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 2: And where are the Epstein files? Where are the Epstein files?

1571
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 2: And I'm not say that, but like, come on, but

1572
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 2: to your point with this, this is a tough one

1573
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 2: for the families. And my heart kind of got sick

1574
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: when I just saw this, like random jump of things

1575
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 2: and nobody could ever really go on with their lives.

1576
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 2: Why did the school feel so strongly? I mean, I

1577
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: know the answer to this, but it's always puzzled me

1578
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 2: that the school was so heavy handed prior to the trial. Ultimately,

1579
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: this trial didn't happen, as we know, But why they

1580
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,520
Speaker 2: destroyed the home, like why they insisted that be demolished.

1581
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 2: I know we madd this here to nauseum, but there

1582
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: might have been some clues in there.

1583
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 3: Well.

1584
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 4: I mean, from what we know is that, you know,

1585
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 4: the people who live in that neighborhood were reminded daily

1586
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 4: when they woke up and saw the police tape around

1587
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 4: the home, and it was being guarded by security as well,

1588
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 4: because of course true crime people can sometimes, including myself,

1589
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 4: go a little crazy and maybe want to get a

1590
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 4: look for myself and try to sneak in and whatnot.

1591
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 3: It was just causing a lot of problems for people

1592
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 3: who live there.

1593
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 4: And you know, a jury, in my opinion, probably would

1594
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,719
Speaker 4: never have been able to go into the home because

1595
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 4: walls had been removed, floor had been removed, you know,

1596
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 4: they take those things, you know, and remediation whatnot. I

1597
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 4: don't think it would have been safe for a jury

1598
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 4: to go there. The acoustics would be totally different because

1599
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 4: walls had been removed and floors and whatnot. Even taking

1600
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 4: that aside, though, I don't disagree with you there, although

1601
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 4: I do think it's powerful.

1602
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: We've talked about this.

1603
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 3: I think it's powerful.

1604
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 2: I do I do as a juror even just going

1605
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 2: to the space where maybe the space, even just being

1606
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 2: in the vicinity is very powerful. However it doesn't. There

1607
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: could been investigative pieces to the puzzle that still could

1608
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: have been we needed it.

1609
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 6: It got to the it did get to the point

1610
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 6: where both the prosecution and the defense both said, yes,

1611
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 6: I am satisfied with the totality of the information that

1612
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 6: we've gathered, including all of the pictures, all of the video,

1613
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 6: all of the you know, the three D imaging, the I'm.

1614
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 3: Forgetting the target, the faral scan.

1615
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: That's right.

1616
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 6: Which so the fact that both sides were satisfied with

1617
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 6: everything that had been gathered and in addition to causing

1618
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 6: potential harm to the current students.

1619
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 3: I understand where you're saying those stuff. Was it the

1620
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 3: university that chose got.

1621
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, the university ended up owning the home. I can't

1622
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 4: remember how that happened, but they ended up owning the

1623
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 4: home from the owner.

1624
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 3: Who gave it to them or something. God, I can't remember.

1625
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 3: I can't remember the details of that it.

1626
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 2: Was like off campus housing, it was still connected to

1627
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 2: the camp. Yeah, you know, so basically it was on

1628
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: school owned property. So they ultimately had the final decision,

1629
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: and bodies right, both sides ultimately did say, okay, fine,

1630
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 2: I think we have what we need. We should be

1631
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: good to go. But is that possible, Like, why would

1632
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 2: you take that risk? Anyway? I digress, I understanding here

1633
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 2: nor there. There is a sizeable lawsuit though that is

1634
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: hitting this school, and again, important stuff to talk about

1635
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: because again I'm sure everybody does their best in the moment,

1636
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: of course, so if we don't talk about some of

1637
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 2: this uncomfortable stuff like what would they know to do

1638
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: next time?

1639
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 4: God for bright and you know, and if it does

1640
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 4: inspire change in policy, you know, in the broader scheme

1641
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 4: of things with other universities, then maybe it might save

1642
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 4: the life of you know, someone else, and then it's

1643
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 4: all worth it, maybe you know. Of course, we're going

1644
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 4: to follow that closely. Of course, stay tune for that. Yeah,

1645
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 4: we'll follow that closely. Thank you for that talk back.

1646
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 4: It was very very well taken. Yeah, let's go to another.

1647
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1648
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 14: Hey, this is Kim in Kentucky. Just a thought to

1649
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 14: consider when people go to trial, guilty or innocent. Once

1650
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 14: you tell a story many many times to your mom, dad, lawyer, cousin, brother, neighbor,

1651
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 14: sometimes the emotion leaves you because at that point you're

1652
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 14: just telling this story as like a headliners.

1653
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 9: I have to think that this was in response to

1654
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 9: I think we were talking about Karen Reid and how

1655
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 9: sometimes she can be a bit stoic and icy for

1656
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 9: different people who when they're telling their testimony and they

1657
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 9: don't have the emotion or even the o pair.

1658
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 4: So right in the further you get away from something

1659
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 4: to the less emotional you are about it as well.

1660
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,879
Speaker 2: Right, totally. Yeah, with documentaries and a much smaller example

1661
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: obviously nothing with any stakes. But when somebody shares their story,

1662
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, if they tell it to us on the

1663
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: phone once and then to somebody else, and then do

1664
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: it again on camera and then again, by the way,

1665
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: it becomes sort of it doesn't feel as charged and authentic,

1666
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 2: like you almost don't want to ask the the big

1667
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: questions until.

1668
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 4: They have a way, as somebody who was in one

1669
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 4: of those documentaries and cried eighty six times, Uh, they

1670
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,839
Speaker 4: have a way of asking you the questions to almost

1671
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 4: make you cry, you know what I mean, Like they

1672
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 4: really put you in that frame of when it happened,

1673
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like they really producers and

1674
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 4: directors and whatnot. They really know what they're doing.

1675
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 2: But if you're a sibling or that's different, like they

1676
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 2: get it like you really kind of Sometimes that's different.

1677
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 2: You've witnessed this too, where people are having a thought

1678
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 2: for the first time out loud. Yeah, and the Didy

1679
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 2: doc ball it's very admiring too. In the Diddy doc

1680
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 2: we saw it. Yeah, that was so good. It's escaping. Yes, Aubred,

1681
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: we saw it in real time. Her I'm reading something

1682
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 2: that impressed to me that I'm hearing for the first time.

1683
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: But I'm not even connected enough to this experience because

1684
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 2: i may have been drugged. Think about that. I don't

1685
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 2: even want to know, was her answer.

1686
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 3: I can't imagine. That's so major. She was very impressive

1687
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 3: to me.

1688
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: But by the way, if aubry O day this full

1689
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: circle on a less significant note, if she had been

1690
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 2: interviewed six times prior, might be the same questioning with

1691
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: different producers or whomever's, it wouldn't have felt you could

1692
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 2: tell this was the first time. This was really right,

1693
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: and that's like so authentic. You could almost see her disassociate.

1694
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 3: A little bit. Yeah, poor thing. Man, I'm so impressed

1695
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 3: by her. God bless her.

1696
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 2: Thanks for that talk back. That's a really good observation.

1697
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really good. We have a good time.

1698
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 2: I think we do.

1699
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 3: Let's see it.

1700
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 17: Hey, everybody, I was listening to your commentary about cloning

1701
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 17: and Tom Brady cloning his dog. You guys have to

1702
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 17: watch the movie called The Island. It's from two thousand

1703
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 17: and five. It's starring Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansson. It's

1704
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 17: a great, you know, sci fi kind of movie, but

1705
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 17: it's all based on cloning and it's really, you know,

1706
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 17: an action packed thriller. I think you'll like it. Enjoy,

1707
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:19,839
Speaker 17: stay safe.

1708
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: I love such a great recommendation in that movie. Is terrifying.

1709
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 3: You saw it.

1710
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a very scary movie. I find it's

1711
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 2: very scary. Cloning in general, to me, is very sci fi.

1712
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:30,679
Speaker 2: Is scary.

1713
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 3: I love sci fi.

1714
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm I know a little bit.

1715
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 3: Where do you sit with that? Yeah?

1716
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 6: I sit so far away that I really don't know

1717
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 6: the difference between Star Wars and Star.

1718
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 3: Trek card Lot.

1719
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, which I'm sort of a hybrid because

1720
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 2: I was Brothers and boys. But like I only know

1721
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: it because I was forced to.

1722
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 3: I love sci fi. Doesn't do it for me.

1723
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 9: And it's I don't know, it's like a glimpse of

1724
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 9: what our world can be in the number fifty hundred years.

1725
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 2: It's never good. It's always listen, scary, hunger games, vibe.

1726
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 10: No.

1727
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 3: Star Trek is utopia.

1728
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 4: Everyone is there, always no money, there's no well they're

1729
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 4: on spaceships.

1730
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Well they're always on the spaceship. But they lay in the.

1731
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 3: Ships and they go to they.

1732
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:13,839
Speaker 2: Go to you know, a different planet.

1733
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 3: And Star Trek is my favorite show of all time.

1734
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 2: I know. I used to just get annoying whenever I

1735
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 2: heard the theme song. It would like conjure annoying.

1736
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 3: Listen my brothers, you know what I mean.

1737
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 2: Like I would just picture my brothers.

1738
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 3: They had money.

1739
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 2: I wanted to have prairie but like different races.

1740
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, Battlestar Galactica, the modern version, that was an outlier

1741
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 6: for me.

1742
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 2: So say we all, say we all, I'm a huge.

1743
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 4: Battlestar galact To the fans. Starbucks, Oh my gosh, I

1744
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 4: want to be I want to be Starbucks.

1745
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she was a bad being.

1746
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 4: Right. Oh I love those movies and the cylons and

1747
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 4: oh I love star Trek.

1748
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so put like a trekky so like trekking contractions?

1749
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 2: Would that? Does that? Still?

1750
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 3: I go?

1751
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 2: I go to those I dress with you.

1752
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 3: What I have a costume.

1753
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm an engineer. I really a gold costume. I get

1754
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 4: a wig. I have a black like Bob.

1755
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 9: At some point I.

1756
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 2: Wasn't wait, can I just wear a black Bob and

1757
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 2: the blue kick old dress and we can have a

1758
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: star Crek already.

1759
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 3: Can put on some cute boots.

1760
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 2: Yes, do it, let's do it.

1761
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 6: Okay, the boots that you'll wear to Sundance.

1762
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god, going to sun Dance.

1763
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll be slepting on out there tomorrow.

1764
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys will be holding down the fort,

1765
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 2: which is going to be fun to be listening. Yeah,

1766
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 2: excite exactly.

1767
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,959
Speaker 4: But yeah, hopefully maybe you'll run into Justin Baldoni.

1768
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get some inside from maybe real short to

1769
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: ask will you die if you I'm I will come

1770
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 2: back with the answers.

1771
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 3: Everybody.

1772
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:05,560
Speaker 2: I will call live from Sundance.

1773
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,639
Speaker 4: You got to bring a little camera and a little

1774
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 4: microphone to interview.

1775
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 3: I want to see it.

1776
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 6: Most important, everyone has to start thinking really good thoughts

1777
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 6: for Stephanie at Sundance from murder one oh one.

1778
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for you christ to see and so yeah,

1779
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,839
Speaker 2: listen tomorrow Thursday. Hopefully everybody is as safe and sound

1780
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: and snug as bugs and not getting pummeled by snow.

1781
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 2: But we will be back here tomorrow, so be sure

1782
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 2: to tune in. This is true crime tonight. Stay safe

1783
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 2: out there. Good night, everybody,