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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna jump into a topic that we don't hit

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Speaker 1: on a lot, but we do backpack hunt, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go through the decisions like when it makes sense

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Speaker 1: to backpack hunt versus when maybe it makes sense to

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Speaker 1: just day hunt it or hunt from a base camp.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined today by my co host Dirk Durham. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: having him on. And what you're pretty much getting today

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Speaker 1: is two of the best backpack hunters to ever do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna uh no, all getting aside. We

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Speaker 1: do enjoy a backpack hunt, but there are times where

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Speaker 1: you need to you need to make the you know,

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Speaker 1: there should be a decision tree made. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: not that complex, but it's like do I need to

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Speaker 1: to hit horse camps? Or am I you know when

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Speaker 1: when does it make sense? And we'll try to break

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Speaker 1: that down for you in my simple term, or you

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Speaker 1: know is like if there are elk that are in

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Speaker 1: an area or lots of elk, or elk I want

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Speaker 1: a long or it's physically arduous and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to deal with that. Then that's kind of that's my

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Speaker 1: very easy decision. But talking with Dirk, we'll jump into

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Speaker 1: all of that and uh and they give you, you know,

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Speaker 1: our best information as far as gear strategy, tactics, some

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Speaker 1: of the other things you need to think about that

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Speaker 1: you don't maybe have to think about. And if you're

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Speaker 1: on the fence, you're new to backpack hunting kind of

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Speaker 1: what what you may need to think about as you

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Speaker 1: do that. So welcome to the show, Dirk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's nice to catch up. Even though we

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Speaker 1: run our own shows and we were we were just uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't even you can't call it cougar camp if

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Speaker 1: you uh, our wives may question what we were doing

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Speaker 2: A couple weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we did get to hang out there for

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But it's always nice to to jump

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Speaker 1: back on the podcast with you and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: just talk about hunting. So yeah, today, once again we're

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Speaker 1: gonna touch on backpack hunting, you know, gear. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: is the real differentiator between your normal hunting and backpack hunting.

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Speaker 1: But then there are some things like strategy. You know,

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Speaker 1: is there different strategies when you're backpack hunting versus you know,

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Speaker 1: meat care, physical requirements, you know, some of these other

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Speaker 1: things that come into play gear requirements, you know, taking

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Speaker 1: care of your gear, all that stuff we're gonna we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to touch on the day. But just like

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Speaker 1: every episode of Cutting the Distance, we're gonna start off

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Speaker 1: with a few questions that we get asked routinely, and

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Speaker 1: we had to dig pretty deep because we're not, like

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Speaker 1: I said, we're we don't promote backpack hunting like some

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Speaker 1: of the the groups out there, but we do. It

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Speaker 1: is part of our strategy. I always look to try

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Speaker 1: to backpack hunt, you know, once a year, if not more.

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Speaker 1: And Dirk, you know, we've had some trips to Colorado

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Speaker 1: we've got the gear, and so we're gonna touch on

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Speaker 1: that today. But we're gonn jump into three questions that

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Speaker 1: we took from you know, the listeners, and if you

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Speaker 1: have questions of your own. Feel free to email them

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Speaker 1: to us at ct D at phelpsgame Calls dot Com,

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Speaker 1: or send us a social message, a message on social media,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do our best to get them on here

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Speaker 1: for for me and for us and our guests. So, Dirk,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw this one to you first. When do

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Speaker 1: you decide when to backpack hunt? And I guess you

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Speaker 1: what we're what we're getting at, or what people really

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Speaker 1: want to know, is when you decide whether that's going

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of things I kind of factor in.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm looking at the area, can I hunt

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Speaker 2: depending on the road systems, depending on the animals, depending

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Speaker 2: There's some brush on brush on brush, The trails are terrible,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have my other pack. I always take two

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of those same things. You know, I

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Speaker 1: It almost turns itself into a backpack hunt and you know,

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Speaker 1: And so there are times there where it's like just

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Speaker 1: lead the more success than doing it from the road,

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Speaker 1: then then that's when I decide I let my success

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Speaker 1: know there there's all these different reasons. So whatever your

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Speaker 1: If I can find success or more success on a

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Speaker 2: One thing too, is I talk to a lot of

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Speaker 2: and they said, yeah, we're going to do this seven

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Speaker 2: day backpack trip. You know, you know, we have ten

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Speaker 2: but we have seven days to be hunt, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I feel like people kind of get caught up

432
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: on all the stuff they want to have in their

433
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: their pack, and and when once you kind of boil

434
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: it down and you've been backpack hunting a few times,

435
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 2: you realize there's a bunch of stuff you could throw

436
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: in there that you just don't use. So I was

437
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: trying to like, let's let's just keep this pretty simple.

438
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: You to have your food, you're you have to have

439
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: clean water, you have to have a sleep system. All

440
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: the other stuff in your pack is going to be

441
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: the same stuff you have in your normal day pack,

442
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: you know. So, so you can spend as much money

443
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: as you want on sleeping bags and and pads and

444
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and then like a shelter. But it's

445
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: it's it's it's hard to find like a balance. It's

446
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: like affordability and versus like weight. You can add a

447
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: lot of weight by putting a sleeping bag in there.

448
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: So I think my sleeping bag is under five pounds.

449
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: I think it's like three or something. My sleeping pad

450
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: is around three somewhere in there. And one thing is

451
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: I I will I'll sacrifice some weight, like I'll buy

452
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: a heavier sleeping pad, definitely, because I'm a I have

453
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: a hard time sleeping on the ground in the back country.

454
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: For whatever reason. I just I can't turn my mind off.

455
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 2: I'll be exhausted at the end of the day, but

456
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: I can't turn my mind off. So I'm laying there

457
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: solving calculous equations and bird building birdhouses in my brain

458
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: when I should be sleeping. I know, when we've shared

459
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: a tent, like you'll be over there sleeping snoring. Well

460
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 2: not yeah, you snore a little bit, a little bit.

461
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: Not at all. Could buy it, Yeah, I must. I'm

462
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: speaking about backpacking way. I'm gonna figure out some way

463
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: to like power up your little uh, your little snoring

464
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: machine and packed out sucker around with me.

465
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: We may just have to get separate tents and like

466
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 2: stay across the meadows from each other. But but I

467
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: have I struggle, and I've I've spent a lot of money,

468
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 2: and my my, my sleeping pad's not delight us by

469
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: any means. I think we use the same one and

470
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: the same type. That is, we don't share one. That's

471
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: a different kind.

472
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: Of Clear that up, Clear that up, please.

473
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 2: But anyhow, so, you know, those are some of the

474
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: things that you know, I'll spend a little bit more

475
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: money and and and a little more weight on. It's

476
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: like a sek a really good sleeping pad. There's lots

477
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: of different options for getting pure water, clean water. I've

478
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: been using that stereopin, stereypin. You'll have to make damn

479
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: sure before you go your batteries are good. You know,

480
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: when we went hunting with Giannis, then my batteries died

481
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: on like day three, day two. So I'm like borrowing,

482
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: mooching off somebody else's water filtration system. And I mean

483
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: it's doable, but especially if you're like in your really

484
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: bad place, maybe you only want to take one and

485
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: just share. Anyway, if they're you know, some of those pumps,

486
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: you know, they have a little bit of weight to them.

487
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, but and I thought, you know that stairy

488
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: pin I bought. The reason I bought it is I thought,

489
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: this is gonna be super easy. It's gonna be quick.

490
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: All I gotta do is scoop water into my nal

491
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: gene and then just turn this thing on and stir

492
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: it until the light turns green. And I'm good. Well

493
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: hunting with you and some other guys versus that that

494
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: system versus like a Sawyer water filter and those little bags,

495
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: those little dirty bags you guys get. So you just

496
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: you fill the little bag up, you screw the filter on,

497
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: then you just squeeze it into the nal gene. It's

498
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: actually faster to do that with those little Sawyer filters

499
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: than it is with that stairy pin.

500
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: The first cost too, that that Sawyer's cheaper, like.

502
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, quite a bit cheaper, and you can if you

503
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: are on elk, but like you mentioned, you don't want

504
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: to climb down two thousand feet if I'm on If

505
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm on Elk, I can dip four bags really quick,

506
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: or you know, you're not not being rushed, but I

507
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: can dip four bags and deal with them later. Where

508
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: you got to sit and stir or you're gonna make

509
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: all of your you know, your your water bottles or

510
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: whatever you're going to keep them, and you could do it.

511
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: I guess you could just have dirty bags and then

512
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: sterrypin them later. But I like the idea of like

513
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: I can carry a lot of dirty water with me

514
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: or whenever I run across that versus the other thing

515
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: that really bothers me at the stairy pin. I've got one.

516
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: I've got the Sawyer squeeze filter. I've got a Cata

517
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: dying pump. You know, we've did io dye, which I

518
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,719
Speaker 1: hate the taste of yeah, and no matter, and then

519
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: you have to drink juice water or flavored water the

520
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: rest of the time. But I don't. And I guess

521
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: this depends. If you know you're going in an area

522
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: with like fresh running creeks, then the stiry pin's fine

523
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: because usually your water, but there have been times deer

524
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: hunting here, and you know the high cascades where I

525
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: know I'm pulling out of a puddle somewhere if I

526
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: don't want to leave the top and the stairy pin

527
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: doesn't get rid of the floaters or the or or

528
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: the color or the sediment or the chunks where my

529
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: sawyer squeeze filter. It's it is relatively light now. It's

530
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: quite a bit smaller than like the old catadyron or

531
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: the the MSR pump squeeze to carry. And I really

532
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: like being able to just squeeze and have like at

533
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: least no chunked water coming out. It may still, you know,

534
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: you can't get rid of the taste some of this

535
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: water's got weird flavors or right, but you least don't

536
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: get the chunks. Yeah, people can say you can take

537
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: it through like a cheese cloth or some people carry

538
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,959
Speaker 1: a little little chunk of cloth so that you're not

539
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: getting getting the grit and grime in there. But the

540
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: one downside to the sawyer is some of the extreme

541
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: weather hunts, if you can't get that thing dry, it'll

542
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: end up cracking the filter. And then you're not filtering

543
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: anything on the on the backside of it, So you

544
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: have to make sure to kind of let that thing

545
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: dry out, shake it out really well, kind of reverse

546
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: pressurize it, and get the water to come back out

547
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: of that that filter.

548
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be very careful about that filter

549
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: getting frozen and cracked. My buddy Donnie he got giardia

550
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 2: because he was filtering. He was in Alaska hunting and

551
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: was filtering with these with his uh whatever, I don't

552
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: know what brand he had, but he was filtering his

553
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: water and man, he just got sick, super sick. And

554
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: turns out he got had giardia because his is uh filtered,

555
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 2: frozen broken and he didn't know it.

556
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, So back to the pack. There's

557
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: a lot of options. You know, your your backpack that

558
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: your you know, your Duffels or your your school backpacks.

559
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: They don't have any support. So I'm gonna I'm gonna

560
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: break this all the way back to the point of

561
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: what what you need in the pack. You know, growing

562
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: up when I was a poor college kid, I used

563
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: in old data designs, which was more geared what I

564
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: would say for backpackers, but it had a very a

565
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: very structural frame. It was an external frame pack. You know,

566
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: you got external the Cabella's Alaskan Extreme packs, and then

567
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: you've got this new tier of you know, Kafaro XO,

568
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Mystery Ranch, you know these you know, Stone Glacier, these

569
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: higher end that are you know, sometimes their frame sheets,

570
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: sometimes their vertical stays. But what these companies have did,

571
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: They've figured out how to transfer weight very very well,

572
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: keep it off your shoulders as much as possible, transfer

573
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: into your hips, and then create a system where you

574
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: can you ever going to be comfortable, but as comfortable

575
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: as you can be with you know, one hundred plus

576
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: pounds on your back at times because you are trying

577
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: to get meat and camp and everything off of there.

578
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna jump into necessarily brands. You know,

579
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: I personally use a KAfari right now. You know, it's

580
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: more of their older hunting duplex. Uh. But I want

581
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: to I want to talk a little bit more about bags.

582
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: I learned early on. You know, I was a guy

583
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: that would roll my sleeping bag up nice and neat

584
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: and put it in its little stuff sack. And then

585
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: I would take my sleeping pad and roll it up

586
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: nice and neat and put it back in its bag.

587
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm now just a stuffer. I wake up. If you're

588
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: spike camping and you're moving with the yelk and you're

589
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: not coming back there, I wake up. I just how

590
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: it is. I'll let the air out of my mattress,

591
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: I'll take and everything just gets shoved in the bottom

592
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: of my bag, and so I don't My bags that

593
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: I like to hunt with typically are one big, big

594
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: open bag with some optics pockets on the outside for

595
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: stuff that I need to get too quick with. It's

596
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: my spotting scope, or whether it's you know, a knife

597
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: or a kill kit or just what you know, headlamp,

598
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: something on the outside, maybe my day's food. But I'm

599
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: a guy that likes to hunt with a big, you know,

600
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: six thousand to seven thousand cubic inch pack. It's a

601
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: little bit overkill for for you know, three or five days.

602
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: But guess what, the pack when you don't need it

603
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: just just compresses and goes away, right it doesn't. I'd

604
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: much rather have the room if needed than than not

605
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: have enough. So that's I'm not an organizer. I stuff

606
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: everything into the bottom I hunt, especially if you're gonna

607
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: hunt with camp on your back. You want all that

608
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: lighter stuff you know, you're sleeping bag, you're sleeping pad, pillows, shelters,

609
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: all needs to go into the bottom of your pack. Anyways,

610
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about you know, how you pack and load,

611
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: distribution and in just a second. But that's that's my

612
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: my morning routine. You take the tent, pulls out your tent,

613
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: your ground cloth, everything you slept on or in goes

614
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: into the bottom, and then you restack your bag on

615
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: top of that is my go to and so not

616
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot of organization skills inside of my pack.

617
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: It's funny what you described on how you pack your

618
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: pack is how I packed my desk full of papers

619
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: when I was in elementary school. I would just shove

620
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: all them papers in there. I see the meme the

621
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: other day is like, hey, hey, where are my people

622
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: at that used to shove all their their papers in

623
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: their desk? How you do it? And somebody says, not

624
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: good man, not good at all. Well, you just described

625
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: how I used to do all my papers and stuff.

626
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,719
Speaker 2: The funny part is I tend to be on the

627
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: the guy that rolls my stuff up and puts it

628
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: back in the little stuff sacks and nice and neat

629
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: and organized. I love my pack organized, and it drives

630
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: me nuts to do it like that because I feel like, man,

631
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: I it's just a hodgepodge of crap in my pack.

632
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: But I agree it is it's more effective. You'll fit

633
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: more stuff in your pack that way, and it's more

634
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: or the load is more equal per se as your

635
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: stuffing in. So I'm trying. I'm trying real hard to

636
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: master that. I mean, I should be a natural at it,

637
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: by the way, to shove the crap in my desk.

638
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: It's cool, and a little bit of it is maybe

639
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: me being lazier. When I wake up in the morning,

640
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I want that extra I want to hit my snooze

641
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: two more times. Because his bulls start to be a

642
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: goal and you're ready to start, I'm like, I don't.

643
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I slept for extra fifteen minutes now I can't take

644
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: that extra fifteen minutes. The load stuff up, so it's

645
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: a fire drill to get everything put back. And like

646
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: you'd mentioned it too, though, it things fit better when

647
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: you stuff versus if everything is a perfect circle or

648
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: and it's weird little cylinders like they don't stack together.

649
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: It leaves a lot of air in between, and so

650
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: you actually save or make a lot of the room

651
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: more available in your pack. And then load distributions. I'm

652
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: not going to get into it. I'm not an expert

653
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: on it, but I do like to put my stuff

654
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: on the bottom, around the outside, and on the top.

655
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: This is you know, water bladder if you run, a

656
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: water bladder goes against your back and then your heavier

657
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: stuff like your food, your fuel things I try to

658
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: put against like the center of my back, you know,

659
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: between my shoulder blades. It's like it's ideal spot. And

660
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: so I talk about this, but in reality, usually I'll

661
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: throw I'll stuff all that you know, sleeping stuff that

662
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier on the bottom that I just

663
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of put stuff around it and then tuck my

664
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: coats or my my you know, my puffy coat and

665
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: stuff around it. So it kind of ends up getting

666
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: packed that way. Where I really pay attention to load

667
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: distribution is when you load up with meat, though, I

668
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: definitely want the center of of that that meat pack

669
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: and you know meat bag or game bag to be

670
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: as close in in between the center and my shoulders

671
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: as possible.

672
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agree with that.

673
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: So shelters. There are limitless shelters I have. I have

674
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: went as simple as a sleeping bag on grass, no tivek,

675
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: no ground cloth, just drow a sleeping bag out and sleep.

676
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: We have taken tyvek is like, oh, the weather's supposed

677
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: to be nice for the next four or five days.

678
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Worst case scenario we get rained on, we'll have to

679
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: walk out of here. But I'm gonna just roll up

680
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: in tivek. There are floorless shelters, which I struggled with

681
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: a lot early on, and that obviously before I just

682
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: slept on the ground in a sleeping bag. It's like

683
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: I didn't like the creepy crawlers, right, I didn't I

684
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: like the ground cloth, like self contained, Like if there's

685
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: not a bug in here, there's not gonna be a

686
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: bug in here. So you got floorless shelters. You've now

687
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: got floorless shelters with some titanium or stove systems that

688
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: are now pretty useful. Single wall, and then you've got

689
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: I've got a Hilliberg, which is a double walled like

690
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: bomb proof shelter. But then you pay for it and wait,

691
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and all of these things kind of from progressed from

692
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: the most lightweight that only requires a sleeping bag all

693
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: the way up to when you're into a hilliberg double

694
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: wall tent for two guys. Somebody's now packing seven pounds

695
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: worth of tent around. But there are times where that

696
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: makes more sense. So what's your preference, Dirk, or is

697
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: it just really depend on the hunt or what's your

698
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: go to?

699
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done the Florla shelter, I've done the sleep

700
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: under the stars, I've done the fully enclosed tent. I

701
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: haven't used one that has the stove yet. I feel

702
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: like that's those would be good for two people. Like

703
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: one guy packed the stove, one guy packed the tent

704
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: type of thing at least, But like, like you mentioned

705
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: the creepy crawleys, let's say New Mexico, right, if I

706
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: were to backpack on New Mexico a lot. I don't

707
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: know if you guys know about this, but Jason Phelps

708
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: and cal Ryan Callahan they went elk hunting in New

709
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: Mexico in a place for a week, ten days whatever,

710
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: about a week before I went to the same place.

711
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: So they went there first and then I went there.

712
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: And you know, he did share a little bit of

713
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: the elk intel with me a little bit. I think

714
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: he probably kept a little bit of information to himself,

715
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: if I'm gonna be honest here, But.

716
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: He killed I think he killed the ball on the eck.

717
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, the funny part is, after like the second day,

718
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: I started getting these weird marks on the inside of

719
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: my elbows, you know, on the inside of your arms.

720
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, spiders are must have a big

721
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: old spider in the tent here and we're using that.

722
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, we got a base camp, we got cots

723
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: and everything. I'm like, what the heck is going on?

724
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking for spiders. And as the time goes by,

725
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: the bites start getting all over my chest. So basically

726
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: from my waistline up, Man, I look like I've been

727
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: shot with buckshot. Like there's a hundreds of these bites,

728
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: and they're itchy. They itch like nothing you've ever had before. Well,

729
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: it turns out it chiggers. And I had no idea

730
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: that chiggers lived in New Mexico at all. I like,

731
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: have chigger. I picture chiggers like the Deep South or

732
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, Midwest or somewhere. And Phelps is like, oh, yeah,

733
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: those things ate ate. Ryan Callahan up and I got

734
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: bit pretty good too, and I'm like, well, man, that

735
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: it might might have been some good information. I would

736
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: have like put some promethrone on my clothes and and

737
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: stuff had I known that, because.

738
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: I, honestly, in my defense, I completely forgot to pass

739
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: that on. And hindsight is I had been in that

740
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: unit two years ahead of that and got lit up

741
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: when me and Steve were there, and so I had

742
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: forgot between the hunts that until all of a sudden,

743
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: like day two, You're like, what all it all dawned

744
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: on me, like this place, this green grass in here,

745
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: that time of year is just loaded. But yeah, Floorless

746
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: introduced some of those things you know that that. But

747
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: to be honest, I think I was in a Florida

748
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: shelter the first time. I just think they're on your closers.

749
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know how chiggers work, That's how uneducated

750
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: I am about them. But I know that I still

751
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: got lit up the first year, and I think I

752
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: was in a Floord floor shelter that time.

753
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I got them sitting around. You know,

754
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: you hike in, you sit down, sit down on the ground,

755
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: you do some glass, and maybe you lay down and

756
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: take a nap whatever. I think that's where I got them.

757
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then they're they're all over and so

758
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: really shelter I tend to pack. You know, everybody's I

759
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: don't even know what you call them, the black tubs

760
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: with the yellow lids. Everybody keeps everything in. When I

761
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: go on a hunt, I pack all of my shelters

762
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: or all of my options. Right, you know, there's a

763
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: there's taiek folded up in the bottom. I've got my

764
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: my big agnes like single man little you know tent.

765
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: I've got my Kafaru saw tooth with its stove in there.

766
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: So if I want to go floorless for three guys

767
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: and have the ability to use a stove, and then

768
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: if the weather forecast is like man, it's gonna be

769
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: absolutely frigid and you're gonna get some snow and you're

770
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, then I'm gonna grab the hilliberg and so

771
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: I kind of bring. And I've also got to seek

772
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: outside ultra light floorless, which is like that Cuban fiber

773
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: or dynama. You can almost see through my tent with

774
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: one carbon pole. For like a pound and maybe two pounds,

775
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: I can get a four man's shelter if needed. You know,

776
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: it's luxury for two guys. And so I'm looking at

777
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: the weather. I'm looking at like the Kafaro sawtooth is

778
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: great if I need. It's not gonna be really cold,

779
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: but we may get some rain. Right, there's gonna be

780
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: scattered showers and I might want to dry stuff out.

781
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna grab the stove and that I can

782
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: get all of that in there front of five pounds.

783
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: So you just you know, Idaho backpack hunt me Entyson

784
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: one on the other day before you left the truck,

785
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: You're like, ah, man, it's not gonna get above. It's

786
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: not gonna get out of the single digits for a

787
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: week straight. And so I'm making decisions like it would

788
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: be awesome to have the stove, but if somebody's not

789
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: gonna sit and stoke that thing all night, the double

790
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: wall is gonna be fifteen to twenty degrees warmer, and

791
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: it's not gonna collapse under the snow. We're not gonna

792
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: have as many issues and condensation. So a double wall

793
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: tent for those I'm not trying to educate everybody on backpacking,

794
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: A single wall tent all your condensation from your breath

795
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: throughout the night, your body heat will go up and

796
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: hit the stove or the tent and basically condensate on

797
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: the inside of your tent and drip back on you

798
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: when it warms up or whatever. A double wall tent,

799
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: the condensation gets through the first mesh layer and sticks

800
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: to the outer wall, and then you don't get dripped on,

801
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: and it makes it ten to fifteen degrees warmer. So

802
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: like on that hunt where we knew it wasn't getting

803
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: away from five degrees very far, we just ended up

804
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: grabbing that hillerberg, which provided a more comfortable night sleep

805
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: because we didn't have to worry about stoking the fire

806
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: and we didn't have to worry about getting dripped on

807
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: all night. So it just it just depends on the

808
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: type of the hunt, the weather, and what you need

809
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: out of your shelter. For what I'm gonna grab when

810
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: I leave the truck.

811
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: And a hack, like if you're gonna use the floorless shelter,

812
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: So I've got a Kafaru floor floorless shelter, and you know,

813
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: you want to put something down between the ground and

814
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 2: your and your sleeping pad. You don't want to poke

815
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: holes in it. Because pine needles and rocks and stuff

816
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: are kind of kind of sharp. So I have a

817
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: piece of tie beck. A little hack is throw that

818
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 2: piece of tievek in the laundry and wash it with

819
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: your clothes and then run through the dryer. And and

820
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: what it does is it is it just kind of

821
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: makes it smooths it out, makes it quiet because that

822
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: thing when it's brand new, which I of course I

823
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: didn't do this. It was nice and nice and noisy. Man,

824
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: you lay on on tievek and then you if you

825
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: roll over, flip over, make if you breathe, you know, heavily.

826
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: That stupid tiek will sit there and make crunching noises

827
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 2: all night long. And if you're sharing a space with

828
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: with someone else, and they're probably gonna want to kill you.

829
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to kill I want to kill me because

830
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: I could. Yeah, I could have. Well there again, I'm

831
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: having a hard time sleeping anyway. Now I got that

832
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: crunchy thing going making noise all night long.

833
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: So yeah, and speaking of crunchy, we're gonna get into

834
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: like the sleeping pad. I used to use a big

835
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: agnese Q core sl something like big thick pad. Looks

836
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: like I should be out on the on a lake

837
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: rafting around right. It was super comfortable, but I found

838
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: that the durability wasn't as great. And so then there's

839
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: the what is it, the Thermo rest uh neo air

840
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: X light, whatever the name of it is. So I

841
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: switched to that, which isn't as thick, and so it's

842
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: maybe not as comfortable, but it's way way more durable.

843
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: So for me, I switched to that thermorest and and

844
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: it's been I've gotten way better sleep. The one downside,

845
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: I say I got way better sleep because I don't

846
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: have to worry about blowing the dang thing up all night.

847
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't end up on the ground in the middle

848
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: night with like a slow leak. So that q core

849
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: was a little fragile. Where there's new thermost is a

850
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: lot more durable, but it is also like you're sleeping

851
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: on a bag of lazed potato chips at night, and

852
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: so it does provide additional noise. But I found that

853
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: I sleep better. So it's a little bit of trial

854
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: and there. I know it's a little bit of an

855
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: expensive trial and air, but there are good systems. But

856
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can't go wrong with some of the

857
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: big manufacturers. I just needed to find something more durable

858
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: for the way that, you know, we were throwing stuff

859
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: on the ground and I couldn't afford to have any

860
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: more pop pop sleeping pads.

861
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 2: One thing I'm I'm seriously thinking about before my next

862
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: backpack hunt is getting one of those little ultra light cots.

863
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: They're like low profile. Who builds those things? They make

864
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: the little chairs and oh shoot, anyway designs made.

865
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bunch of there's different companies.

866
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: They're two three pounds, and I'm a side sleeper, So,

867
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: like I say, I struggle, I'm almost thinking in my

868
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: brother in law, he he does a lot of adventure

869
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: bikes trips and he has used all light backpacking gear

870
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: when he goes and and he has one of those

871
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: little little cots, and he's like, man, is a game

872
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: changer for him having that thing because he could side

873
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: sleep comfortably on a pad. So I'm thinking I might

874
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: just put one of those in I want, and if

875
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: it's warm out, I might almost even skip the pad

876
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: and just have that little ultra like cot. I might

877
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: even try that. Yeah, you know, so I wouldn't really

878
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: be adding that much more weight to my system, but

879
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: maybe just that extra comfort because you don't want to.

880
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: And that's one reason why I don't tend to backpack

881
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: hind a lot too, is because that good night's rest.

882
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: Like if I can sleep in a normal cot and

883
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 2: get a really good night's rest, I'm ready to go

884
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: in the morning. But if I didn't sleep at all,

885
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: the next day is gonna just suck.

886
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: Ask Dirk lots of questions out next day early in

887
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: the morning, as soon as he's getting up.

888
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: I'm a morning person. No, I'm not.

889
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: So the other part of your sleep says we talked

890
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: about pads a little bit. You're sleeping bag. I've got

891
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: three of them. I've got a Kafaru, which has synthetic insulation,

892
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: and then I've got a marmot helium fifteen degrees and

893
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: I've got a stone glacier fifteen degrees. Even for a

894
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: tall or whatever, they end up being seventy five inches,

895
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: so a little bit taller sleeping bag. I think all

896
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: of these. Maybe the kafar was a little bit over,

897
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: but they're all in that three pound range. Now, why

898
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: would I have You know? Down is great until you

899
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: live in the Pacific Northwest and you're going on a

900
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: hunt in October November. Now, if you can guarantee your shelter,

901
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: so I will take down inside of a Hilleberg tent, right,

902
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna get wet. I know it's

903
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: not gonna get dripped on. But if I know that

904
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a single wall and I have

905
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: a potential for my sleeping bag to get wet or

906
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: damp and I can't draw it out or dry it

907
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: out with a stove, then I'm probably gonna grab that

908
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: synthetic pill just because the nature of down getting wet

909
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: doesn't work as well anymore. So that's kind of why

910
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: I have both. But down, you know, especially for our

911
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: September hunt, early October hunt, when you're maybe not dealing

912
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: with a bunch of rain, is always going to provide

913
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more packable system. Warmth seems to be

914
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: a little better for what you're packing. And so we

915
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: do have a few different you know, sleeping bags on hand,

916
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: depending on you know, how wet it's going to be.

917
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a down stone glacier and zero degree.

918
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: And when they say zero degree, like a lot of

919
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: bag manufacturers will say, oh, it's this temperature rating but honestly,

920
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: that's the temperature that you won't die, but you're not

921
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: going to be comfortable. So I'm like with that in

922
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 2: mind about this zero degree bag and that thing. Dude,

923
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: it's it's next level hot.

924
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

925
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: I've slept in like twenty degree weather and like I

926
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: like unzip it and just lay on top of my

927
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: pad and just kind of cover up half of my

928
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: body with it. It's that warm.

929
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know, I believe it was eu rating.

930
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: There's a rating system right where it's not that you're

931
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: not going to die, but it's how you'll actually becomemfortable.

932
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: So I know like Marmott was eu rated, and I

933
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: don't know if Stone Glacier actually is, but it seems

934
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: like that was their standard, like when they say fifteen,

935
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: like you're going to be very very comfortable at fifteen degrees,

936
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: not freezing to.

937
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: Death right right. And then I've got one of those

938
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: Kafaru sleeping bags on the kind of zip down the middle.

939
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: I've got one of those as synthetic. And then my first,

940
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: my first backpacking bag I bought. I bought it in

941
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: the bargain cave at Kabela's. I'm like, oh, yeah, this thing.

942
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: It's like a two hundred dollars bag and it's like

943
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: sixty bucks. I'm like, heck, yeah, I was so jacked

944
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: and I bought it. Well, I hadn't used it until

945
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: I got out in the mountains and the next morning

946
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to unzip it cause it like it zips up.

947
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: You know.

948
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: I had a you know, a hood on it. You're

949
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 2: kind of zipped up like a mummy in that thing.

950
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: I can't get it unzipped, like the zipper stuck, and

951
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: I think that's why it was in the bargain cave.

952
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: The zipper didn't work right. So I'm played in begging

953
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: with my hunting partners. I'm like, hey, guys, come and.

954
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: Zip this bag.

955
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: I got to get out. I got a pyroal bad.

956
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: And they're like, they're like, we're not getting there nowhere

957
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: near you, man, that's kind of weird. I'm like, no, please,

958
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: please do just come and just get this zipper started

959
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: for me. And they wouldn't do it. I thought, well,

960
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just incredible hulk my way out of this thing.

961
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: Screw it. I'm just I'm pissed it. I'm gonna peel

962
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: myself right laying there in bed. So I can't even

963
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: incredible hulk myself out of this thing. It's too well made, right,

964
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: I thought, I'll just bust this thing out the seams. No,

965
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm trapped. So finally, after like a whole bunch of

966
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: pleading and begging and and and they would still wouldn't

967
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: help me. So I had to unzip it, and I

968
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: sprung out of my tent. But you know, try your

969
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: stuff before you go. Try your stuff before you go,

970
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 2: because if you buy it, it's unclearance or maybe the

971
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: bargain cave somewhere, there's probably a reason why that thing's

972
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: not getting sold for top price.

973
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then my only you know, my you know,

974
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: some people say you can wad your your puffy jacket

975
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: up and use it as a pillow. I this is

976
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: where I take my one luxury item I get. I

977
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: have a seat of summit, a little inflatable pillow, and

978
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: I always pack that thing. I hate trying my head

979
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: falling off of a lumpy coat or a hit and

980
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: a zipper. So I think, for whatever it is, twelve

981
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: or thirteen ounces, I'm just going to pack this pillow forever.

982
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bought one of those two and there again,

983
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: try before you use it. So I bought it like

984
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: and let's say summertime, and my elk hunt wasn't until September.

985
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: So I bought it and then put it, put it

986
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: away and had it ready to go and never even

987
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: aired up, never even used it. I'd seen years before.

988
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, I think's awesome. So I get

989
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: out there in the mountains, aired up, and the thing

990
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: just keeps going flat. Well, there was a defect or something.

991
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: Well by the time I get back home from hunting

992
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: season now it's too late to even return it. So

993
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: that thing was expensive, So make sure you try it

994
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: before you buy it. Those are really nice pillows. I

995
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: need to buy another one.

996
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: And a pro tip, before you go and blow the

997
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 1: thing up as big as it'll go, you don't want

998
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: you wanted about five eighths full air.

999
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, is the perfect perfect point unless you like a

1000
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: super hard pillow, which is I mean maybe your psychopath

1001
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: if you do.

1002
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Uh, the last kind of specialty piece that you're we

1003
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: already touched on water in the different ways to to

1004
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: it's really just come up with your own system. But

1005
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: your last thing is your food and cooking right, how

1006
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: are you going to eat while you're away from your truck.

1007
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: You know, there are extremists that don't pack any any heat,

1008
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: not heat any any way to heat your food or

1009
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: boil your water. So there are guys that will still

1010
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: eat mountain houses or peak meals and literally put cold

1011
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: water in them earlier in the day, and like, that's

1012
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: not me. I want to I don't want to go

1013
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: back there and just be miserable the whole hunt. There

1014
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: are some guys that do cold camping where they're packing

1015
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: like you know, hard cheeses and salamis and pepperonis, and

1016
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: then they don't ever have to ever heat up water.

1017
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: So there is a pretty decent system you can use there.

1018
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: And then I would say the the more normal is

1019
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: for somebody to pack a little teeny can of isobutane

1020
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: and then either a jet boil or MSR reactor or

1021
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: whatever sort of system you know, for making coffee in

1022
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: the morning, for boiling your one hot meal a day.

1023
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: I would be lying to say that we haven't ever

1024
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: thrown a couple extra bags a top ramen in when

1025
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: you want if it's a cold day and you're just like,

1026
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: this is gonna be miserable all day, Like you'd be

1027
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: amazed at how some warm top ramen for lunch can

1028
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: sometimes like be a big, you know, big you know

1029
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: lift for the day kind of change the morale and mood.

1030
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, there, I've seen people pack food from as

1031
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: healthy as you can be up to guys that literally

1032
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: have two thousand and three thousand calories of candy in

1033
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: their bag. It can be from one side to the other.

1034
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll let Dirk at his two cents about,

1035
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, packing food and what he tries to do there.

1036
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like I always, I always have a

1037
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 2: stove of some kind, whether it's the the jet boil

1038
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: or the MSR reactor. I like them because they nest

1039
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: together with the cup real nice. It just seems the

1040
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, the fuel that everything kind of nests together

1041
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: real nice. There's some of those little little little stove

1042
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: cooker things that look like you know, they're they're tiny,

1043
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: they they're they're they just barely are big enough to

1044
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: cover the top of your isobutane cartridge, right, and it's

1045
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: like a like a puto or whatever. There's some cheap

1046
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: Chinese when you can get off Amazon too. I mean,

1047
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: if you if you're really wanting to, you know, pinch pennies,

1048
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: you can get into those things for super cheap, but

1049
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: they don't nest quite as good together with them, you know,

1050
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: little pots and stuff. But but the thing is, I

1051
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: like to have that that hot, yummy meal at the

1052
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: end of the day. Like that's like kind of like

1053
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: the the the the little capstone of the day. You know,

1054
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: you have you know, you eat eat snack stuff all

1055
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: day long and then at night, I have like a

1056
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 2: peaks or a mountain house whatever, dehydrated. But it's hot,

1057
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 2: it's yummy. It makes you kind of feel good inside,

1058
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: and it's like all right, yeah, yeah, especially if you

1059
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 2: had a hard day you have been to get your

1060
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: teeth kicked in all day, It's like, Okay, tomorrow's gonna

1061
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: be good, you know, after you have a nice meal.

1062
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: One thing I don't do is I don't put a

1063
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: munch of junk food in my in my pack for

1064
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: for the snacking or you know, for my breakfast lunch stuff.

1065
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: You know, junk food to me, like the super high

1066
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: sugar content stuff. I mean, you can get some energy

1067
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: out of it pretty quick. But but man, I just

1068
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: feel like crap later on whenever I eat that stuff.

1069
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: So I try to go as healthy as I can.

1070
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: So I do a lot of dried fruits, a lot

1071
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 2: of you know, almonds or nuts or or things like that,

1072
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: things that are healthy, healthy choices that don't have a

1073
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 2: high sugar content but do have a high chloric content,

1074
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: a lot of protein, a lot of maybe natural sugars

1075
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I seem to do way better on

1076
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: that stuff. So, but I do know guys that, like,

1077
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: they operate on snicker bars and rollos all day long,

1078
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: and you know they can. They can make it up

1079
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: and down the mountain and mountain dew. I mean, they'll

1080
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: have mountain dew in their pack. But for me, I

1081
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: just I can't. I can't operate like that.

1082
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm kind of in the middle. Depends, you know.

1083
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've tried to eat keto all the way through

1084
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: where I'm eating MCT oil and nut butters and parmers,

1085
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, chunks of parmesan cheese and brick works. Yeah,

1086
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: I mean it works. But nowadays I'm just like, I

1087
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: just pack what I want to eat. You know, back

1088
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: in the day, we always heard like if it doesn't

1089
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: have one hundred calories per ounce. It doesn't belong in

1090
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: your pack. And I'm like, you know what I want

1091
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: to enjoy, either my food or It's like, if I

1092
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: want to bring something that doesn't meet that, then I'm

1093
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: going to bring it. Like I've come to learn that

1094
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: that extra pound isn't going to be the differentiator between

1095
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: me killing the bowl or not. So I just I

1096
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: pack what I want for the day, something that, you know,

1097
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: whether it's a morale left or just something that might

1098
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: be fun, you know, you know, bring something in to

1099
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: share with a buddy that nobody thought you'd pack in

1100
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. That that's kind of and

1101
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: I I'm a big guy, you know, while I'm hunting hard,

1102
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: I just tend to kind of shoot for twenty five

1103
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: hundred to thirty five hundred calories somewhere in there, and

1104
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: then I just throw that much in a bag and go.

1105
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not I don't get too overboard. If I

1106
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: lose a pound, great, If I gained the pound, probably not.

1107
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like it's just food, and I

1108
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: don't I don't go to the crazy extremes I used

1109
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: to do with like you know, macros and everything laid

1110
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: out like I'm just gonna go hunt. It's not gonna

1111
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: affect me that that much one way or the other.

1112
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: But I do like a hot meal at the end

1113
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: of the day. I like, you know, warming up, you

1114
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: know something, and it just kind of you know, if

1115
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: you're out sleeping under the stars or hanging around around,

1116
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, under the with some buddies, it's it's just

1117
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: kind of nice to to eat a hot meal. And

1118
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: then I say, get as long of backpacking spoon as

1119
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: you can, because they I feel like the ratio to

1120
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: the depth to the width of all of these seal

1121
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: of meal bags that everybody uses or not right, because

1122
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: you have to get to about your wrist with a

1123
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: normal a normal link spoon to get to the bottom corner.

1124
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: So you get those long spoons, sporks.

1125
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: Spork Yeah, yeah, I agree, And and and pack stuff

1126
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 2: that you're gonna that you were willing to eat. Let's

1127
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: say you and I we spend a lot of days

1128
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: in the field every year, and there's some things I

1129
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: kind of refuse to eat at this point just because

1130
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: you eat it so much every year, Like trail mix.

1131
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: There was a time I loved trail mix. If I

1132
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: put trail mix in my mouth now, I literally gag.

1133
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: I cannot do it. I can't eat any kind of

1134
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: protein bars. I can't do those at all, and I

1135
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: wish I could, because protein bars you can get some

1136
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 2: really good ones. They are just chalk ful at all

1137
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: the good stuff. But I literally will gag if I

1138
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: put those in my mouth just because of eating too

1139
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 2: many of them. So you have to like get creative

1140
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: and find things that like to have high coleric and

1141
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: content but it tastes good and that you will be

1142
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: willing to eat that You're just not forcing yourself to

1143
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: eat and that can and if you hunt a lot

1144
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: that that definitely is a challenge.

1145
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I'm gonna we were gonna

1146
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of wraps up that gear and

1147
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: kind of what you need. I mean, those are kind

1148
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: of that's the foundation of backpack hunting. Everything else. You know,

1149
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: your weapons are going to be the same. I'm not

1150
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: gonna get into strategy. We're going to talk on that

1151
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: a little bit, but we're kind of running up against

1152
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: the end here, you know, meat care. I would say

1153
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: backpack hunting can sometimes lead you farther or potentially farther

1154
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: from from the truck the normal, So just make sure

1155
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: you're you're thinking about that if you were to kill

1156
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: something here, like is there a creek available? Is this

1157
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: a really dry area? Is it really hot right now

1158
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of September? Like, how are you going

1159
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: to make sure that that meat can it can all

1160
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: be taken care of, you know, as you're hunting further

1161
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: and further away from the rig. Yeah, is another important topic.

1162
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: I feel like some people sometimes get the mindset like, oh,

1163
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: we'll kill it first and then worry about it later.

1164
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: But man, you have to kind of go into it

1165
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: with a with a game plan, like I know, I'm

1166
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 2: gonna have to be able to take care of this meat.

1167
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: It needs to cool down quickly, and then I need

1168
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: to be able to get it out in an effective way.

1169
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you know, as you're calculating time, you

1170
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: know these you know, air and temperature is equally important,

1171
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: especially in that first twenty four to forty eight, So

1172
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: you need to sing the air out. You needed to

1173
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: keep cool. Once it does cool down that first night,

1174
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: you really don't want to let it warm back up,

1175
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, above that thirty eight to forty degrees if possible,

1176
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: So you're just you're trying to make sure you're doing

1177
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 1: everything you can can there.

1178
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 2: And one thing, Oh, go ahead and say one thing.

1179
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: You know, with social media and people talking a lot

1180
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: and you just guys being guys in general, there's a

1181
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 2: lot of bravado out there. And I know a lot

1182
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: of hunters, you know, whether it's hometowns or everywhere you go.

1183
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 2: You talk to people and there's a little bit of

1184
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 2: like this this idea like, oh, yeah, you know, I

1185
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: threw one hundred pounds on my back and packed it,

1186
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, ten miles. Well, I'm here to tell you,

1187
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: walking ten miles with no no weight, it's kind of

1188
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: hard in the mountains. So you throw one hundred pounds

1189
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: on that might might might kill you, that might break you.

1190
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: So you like, know your limitations, understand. I mean, maybe

1191
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: you've trained for it all summer and in your superhero

1192
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: strength and cardio and your excellent shape. That's awesome, good,

1193
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: But man, a lot of the just average Joe's people

1194
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 2: like me, that's got to average average Joe fitness level.

1195
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: I know my limitations, and I know I'm not gonna

1196
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: be able to pack out giant loads for for an

1197
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: extended time, like ten miles or I mean four miles

1198
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: is no joke. Four miles will hurt you too, So

1199
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: just be cognizant of that.

1200
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, in my system where I drop the meat into

1201
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: like one hundred liters dry sack and then the like

1202
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be good to be in there for

1203
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: you know. So there's all this stuff I'm thinking about, like,

1204
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: all right, you you let it air out, you know

1205
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: it's better off, but then you know the heat's out

1206
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: of it. You don't really want it to spoil because

1207
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: of no air, And so I'm I'm thinking about all this.

1208
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: So if it's a long high out and I won't

1209
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: have the ability to keep getting the meat out and

1210
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: letting it dry, or you know, I might just end

1211
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: up I have a pack where my bag will pull away,

1212
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: so I might just keep it out in the air

1213
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: and avoid using my dry sack. So it's just you

1214
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: just need to be smart. You need to understand on

1215
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: these long pack outs, especially if it's you know, an

1216
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: entire day or multiple days for some people, if you

1217
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: don't have a big hunting party or people to help you,

1218
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: just just you know that that's sometimes my own limitation

1219
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: is like if I was to kill something here, could

1220
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: we get the meat out? And that's what stopped me

1221
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: from going any farther, So keep that in mind. Extreme weather.

1222
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: One thing that some people may overlook is the extreme

1223
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: weather on these hunts and the inability to go turn

1224
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: your truck on and turn your heater on right if

1225
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: that was your If you're at a base camp, you

1226
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: can at least go dry stuff out that way. When

1227
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: you're in the mountains, you're pretty much or you're in

1228
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: the mountains backpack hunting, you kind of lose all of

1229
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: that ability. So the extreme cold weather hunt I was

1230
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: talking to Dirik about, we would we had a wyoming saw.

1231
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: That's another little crucial piece. How are you going to

1232
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: start a fire if you need to? We had a

1233
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: wyoming saw. We created fires every day when it was

1234
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: five degrees all day long, snow and it was twenty

1235
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: inches of snow. We would start a fire and we

1236
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: would set our guns around the fire as we were glassing.

1237
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: We would then walk back to camp, get in a

1238
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: freezing cold tent and it would the gun would freeze up. Well,

1239
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: one thing we didn't realize until we had crazy pressure

1240
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: signs when I shot the buck that I did you know,

1241
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: primer's just falling out of the gun. Well, coming to

1242
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: think of it, he's like, well, there was, you know,

1243
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: talking about it, the connensation had been building up inside

1244
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,919
Speaker 1: the action in the barrel and would freeze and would

1245
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: never get out of there. So that first shot where

1246
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: I would basically you know, cause the pressure issue because

1247
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: of that. And so it's just thinking like I should

1248
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: have just left that gun out in the cold all

1249
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: the time, like, never let it get near a heat source.

1250
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: So there's these little things that we probably can't go

1251
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: through all the little lessons we learned, but there's stuff

1252
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: like that where all right, does your bow just need

1253
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: to be hung in a tree all night while asleep,

1254
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, don't let it get hot and cold, and

1255
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, or a gun, especially where you got metal

1256
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: metal metal barrels heating and cooling, like you want to

1257
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: avoid that.

1258
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially muzzleloaders. That's like guys that having a lot

1259
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: of issues with misfires with your muzzleloaders. If you're if

1260
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 2: you're going in and out of a hot truck or

1261
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: in you know, hunt all day, we're in the freezing cold,

1262
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: and then you take it in the cabin or wherever

1263
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, and get warm in your gun and your

1264
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 2: muzzleloader up and you're not discharging that that charge every day.

1265
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: You have to think all that condensation stuff is going

1266
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: to affect your powder and it's going to affect the

1267
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 2: way your muzzleloader goes off. So that's like a big,

1268
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: big pro tip. Like if you're musloader hunting, you know,

1269
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: it's if it's cold out, just keep your gun out

1270
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: in the cold, keep it out of the you know,

1271
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: keep it dry of course in a waterproof case or something.

1272
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: Just keep it cold the whole time and don't put

1273
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: it inside, you know, change your environmentals on it.

1274
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: Yep. As I mentioned like a woming like, think about

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01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: the hunt you're going on. What you need. You need

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01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: the ability to start a fire, you need the ability

1277
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: to you know, cut firewood whatever it may be. A

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01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: woming saw. You know. Another great kind of specialty a

1279
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: piece of equipment or is you know, trekking poles if backpack.

1280
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 1: A lot of times I won't take my trekking poles

1281
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: if it's a day hunt. If it's a backpack hunt,

1282
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: I almost always pack them, you know, for hard packouts

1283
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: and screen fields or uneven terrain. Sometimes those things can

1284
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: can save your you know, your bacon as you're trying

1285
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: to navigate tough train with heavy heavy loads, so you know,

1286
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: trekking poles. I'm trying to think my first aid kit

1287
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: doesn't change much on backpack compared to my day hunt.

1288
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: I'd heard somebody say a long time ago, and I

1289
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: just kind of subscribe to it. I carry ibuprofen, titl,

1290
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: a prescribed painkiller, and duct tape as well as Luco

1291
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: tape backpack hunting. I will say that Luco tape should

1292
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: definitely be in your pack. Any blisters, anything that pops

1293
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: up or gear repairs. Luco tapes very very good. But

1294
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: back to the first aid kit. If I can't fix

1295
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: it with titl, ibuprofen, a prescription pain pill, or duct tape,

1296
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: then I've to help anyways because I'm not skilled enough

1297
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: to fix anything beyond that. So I keep, you know,

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01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: uh that relatively, you know, and it's the same as

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01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: my day hunt. We you know, if it's I always

1300
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: have a little bit of rope in my pack. Trying

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: to think, is there anything else as far from like

1302
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: trekking pools, Wyoming saws that you would put up on a.

1303
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 2: Well that back to your your your you're saw or

1304
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: not your saw, your your first aid kit. So my

1305
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: first aid kit, mine's pretty detail. It's got it's got

1306
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff in it. You know, I've I've

1307
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: got got bandages, I've got, you know, stuff to attached

1308
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 2: the bandages I've got, I've got a tourniquet. In fact,

1309
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: I did a podcast with I call him Jimmy Kits.

1310
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 2: He sells these, these these first aid kits. But anyway,

1311
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, let's say you're by yourself or you

1312
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 2: have a buddy. Let's say you're you're you're skinning out

1313
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 2: an elk or breaking down a bowl, and and you

1314
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: cut yourself in and it's a bad bleed, like you're

1315
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: going to bleed out. Like you got to have a tourniquet.

1316
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: You got to have something to put on there. But

1317
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 2: you have to actually know how to use it too.

1318
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: So you have to be able to put it on.

1319
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: So get that thing out, practice with it one handed,

1320
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: you know, act like you've maybe had you cut your

1321
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: one hand or whatever it is, like, you have to

1322
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: be able to get to it. Don't have it buried

1323
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: in the bottom of your pack, have it accessible, quickly accessible,

1324
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: and the outside of your pack. Make sure your partner

1325
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: knows where it's at. And that way if you do

1326
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: cut yourself in a bad way, that you can quickly

1327
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: stop the bleeding, because I mean it's no joke. You

1328
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: can bleed out really quick if you stab yourself in

1329
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: the in the drowing with a with a have loin

1330
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: or something. I mean, it's it's a big deal.

1331
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you pack a first aid kit like mine,

1332
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: hunt with a buddy like dirt, so you have access

1333
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: to all that and you off to pack it around.

1334
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it hunts with me. Also, I was

1335
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: going to say, talk about your wyoming saws. So I

1336
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: learned about these other saws. I don't even know if

1337
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: they said the name of them. But on what's that

1338
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: show called Alone, Clay was on. But those those those

1339
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 2: people on there will have these saws. They're called silky

1340
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: silky saw. It's like a big folding saw. But these

1341
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 2: things are like next level. They'll just they'll just eat

1342
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 2: wood around all around a freaking wyoming saala like wyoming

1343
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: saws like what Grandpa had in the eighties. But these silkies.

1344
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: You got to check these things out, Jason. They just

1345
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: they'll power through like big big wood really quickly, So yeah, definitely,

1346
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 2: and they're pretty cheap. You can get them off Amazon

1347
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: or wherever you like to shop. You can get those things.

1348
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the last piece to my first aid kit,

1349
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: which is always like the the SOS button, is like

1350
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: we carry those garmen, you know, in reaches, the little

1351
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: guys contact anybody, you know, major emergency, somebody's getting sick

1352
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: and might not be able to get out or something like.

1353
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 1: That's always the last resort. Plus, while you're backpack hunting,

1354
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: it's nice to have, you know, the ability to contact

1355
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: the outside world if you need to bring in packers

1356
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,439
Speaker 1: or if you have people on standby, just let people

1357
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: know how the hunt's going. If you want to. You

1358
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: can leave bread breadcrumbs for your significant other or send

1359
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: them messages. All of that's available. So that's something else

1360
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: we do care. You know, I only run like the

1361
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: three month plan, so I activate it for September, October,

1362
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: November and typically turn it off after that. But nice

1363
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: little peace of mind when you don't have any service.

1364
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: I know, you're out in the back country trying to

1365
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: dodge service in all normal life, but it is nice

1366
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: to have contact back to the rest of the world,

1367
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: the connected world while you're out there. Yeah. Yeah.

1368
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: It makes it easier on your family too, you know,

1369
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: like if you're gone a lot, then it's nice to

1370
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: get updates from you and stay in touch, and it

1371
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: makes makes them feel like they're part of it and

1372
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 2: you're just not that. Is he going to come back?

1373
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: Is he okay? Is he dead out there? Did he

1374
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: break his leg and laying on a mountain side crying

1375
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 2: like it's it's good to have that connection back back

1376
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 2: home for sure.

1377
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: Pretty soon hunting with Dirt, this is the progression Dirk

1378
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: went from or Fino to the Meridian. You're probably get

1379
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: mad at me for telling this because of internet service.

1380
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: He claims it's because of his kids and stuff, but

1381
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: he really needed faster internet. So and then now he's

1382
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna go from Radium when we go hunting, he's gonna

1383
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: probably bring those new like mobile starlink like for RVs

1384
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: and stuff. So we're gonna get setting up our backpack

1385
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: camp and Dirt's gonna pull out a starlink set up

1386
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: so he can power up. We're gonna have I'm gonna

1387
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: have full WiFi and stuff. We'll be streaming YouTube in

1388
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: the back Country.

1389
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: Well, dang it, Phelps, I was gonna surprise you with

1390
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: that this fall.

1391
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: Dang it, this is this is uh, nobody's still my idea.

1392
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna start working with Elon for like the

1393
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: backpack Hunter's version of Starlink, Like we're gonna come up

1394
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: with a real small antenna and see if we can't

1395
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: get that hooked up for everybody.

1396
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. You just make a call and

1397
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: he'll probably.

1398
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: Be like, yeah, I'll make he he was gonna call

1399
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: me today anyways, So I'll just talk to him about

1400
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: that when he calls me.

1401
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: He probably you know, he'd probably let you be have

1402
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: a certified account on Twitter or x I guess they

1403
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: call it now. Yeah, so you guys are he probably

1404
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: just wants the blue check mark. Yeah, you get the

1405
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: blue check markets.

1406
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Well, I appreciate having you on, Derek. We're bumping.

1407
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: This might be the longest episode we ever produced, But hey,

1408
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: who knew when you talk to the gurus of one

1409
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: of backpack Hunting you get a long episode.

1410
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean we could, we could, We could

1411
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 2: go all day about this information. We're so learned.

1412
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: No, it's it's a fun way to hunt. I'm glad.

1413
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: You know, growing up, I never thought I would ever

1414
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: backpack hunt. My hunting consisted of waking up early, getting

1415
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: to a landing, glassing a clear cut, and then jumping

1416
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,639
Speaker 1: in the timber. And that's but I'm glad that it's

1417
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of added to It's just it's just a tool

1418
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: in the toolbox, right. It's just like the ability to

1419
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: call elk. I look at you know, calling elk, or

1420
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: being in good shape or understanding elk. It's just one

1421
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: of It's just another tool. Like backpack hunting is an

1422
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: extension of who I am is an elk hunter and

1423
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: or deer hunter. And if I think that that's my

1424
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: best chance to kill something, then I'm gonna use use

1425
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: what I've got to do that.

1426
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I like it. I don't like

1427
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: to do it all the time, but when I do

1428
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 2: do it, I enjoy it. If you enjoy doing hard things,

1429
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: then you'll like it. You know. It's it's it's it's

1430
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 2: a romantic way to look at it. At a hunt,

1431
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's elk hunting or deer hunting or

1432
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: whatever kind of whatever you're pursuing, or bears, whatever, it's

1433
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: a romantic way to hunt. You're like, oh, man, that

1434
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: would be so fun to be, you know, camping out

1435
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: every night and all this stuff. But the romance kind

1436
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: of kind of leaves when the weather gets bad and

1437
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 2: and you're or you're in a physical suck fest. But

1438
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: but it's still if you enjoy those hard things, and

1439
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: then you'll you'll enjoy backpack hunting for sure.

1440
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Backpack hunting is definitely that type too fun,

1441
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: but when it all works out, it definitely adds adds

1442
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,919
Speaker 1: to the hunt. So yeah, yep, thank thanks everybody. Appreciate

1443
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: all your guys support, and we'll catch you on the

1444
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: next episode of Cutting the Distance.

1445
01:09:46,880 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: See you, guys, and Attracted Man