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Speaker 1: Over the last few years, particularly since two thousand sixteen,

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Speaker 1: two and seventeen where a faculty member was fired, resigned,

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Speaker 1: or demoted, denied promotion due to speech tamed by critics

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Speaker 1: is political. Of these, more than half twenty six occurred,

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Speaker 1: seen the clear majority nineteen being over liberal speech. This

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Speaker 1: disparity persists even after removing terminations occurring in private religious institutions.

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Speaker 1: For liberals, the most common types of speech to result

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Speaker 1: in termination where those perceived by critics as anti white

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Speaker 1: or anti Christian. For conservatives, that were anti minority or

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Speaker 1: anti diversity, now because their diligent this. Cannon notes that

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Speaker 1: the higher frequency of professors being caned for left wing

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Speaker 1: speech may have more to do with the fact that

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Speaker 1: there are more left wing professors than right wing professor

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Speaker 1: is absolutely a factor. Um so because they're let's not

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Speaker 1: be mean with our facts. Facts are facts. Do care

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Speaker 1: about their feelings? I got it. I got a D

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Speaker 1: on my history paper because I'm conservative. That's why my

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Speaker 1: history of paper was just why was Hitler the bad guy?

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Speaker 1: He shouted at the people, I shout at the whole

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Speaker 1: thing about how the Civil War was only about states rights?

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Speaker 1: And they gave me a D. And I was like,

443
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Speaker 1: what is because of my I voted Republican. It's censorship.

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Speaker 1: I agree, it's censorship because as far as I'm aware,

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Speaker 1: there was never any slavery in the South. I learned

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Speaker 1: that from my sheltered upbringing. I guess, well, you know,

447
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Speaker 1: I my history textbook went from the founding of humanity

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Speaker 1: to one and then started right back up again in

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Speaker 1: you get all the key parts. Yeah, skip the nonsense,

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Speaker 1: skip the skip all that bullshit, Yeah, get right back

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Speaker 1: into the good stuff right in the roar and eighties.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, there's no evidence that conservative voices are

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Speaker 1: being silenced in academia. This data does not necessarily suggest

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Speaker 1: that the opposite is happening. However, quote the size of

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Speaker 1: the disparity in two thousand seventeen Bears Watching is it

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Speaker 1: may mark the beginning of a trend in precarious liberal speech.

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Speaker 1: A proper assessment would also need to take stock of

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Speaker 1: the data ugorization issues surrounding religious institutions. Determinations for political

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Speaker 1: speech especially difficult to capture. So, like actual researchers, you

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Speaker 1: care about facts. Even when they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: data that this canon, people hesitate to draw conclusions that

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Speaker 1: are overly broad based on the information they have because

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do actual research, as opposed to picking

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Speaker 1: out a single issue on a single campus and saying,

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Speaker 1: look at what these liberals are doing to free speech. Well,

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Speaker 1: now I don't know what to think. Now you don't know.

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Speaker 1: They seem like two equally credible people yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, whatever dumb ship you said. On

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Speaker 1: the other hand, this report, So we're going to do

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Speaker 1: join TUSA. Yeah. Now, while we're on the subject of professors,

471
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Speaker 1: we should probably talk a little bit about Cody's favorite professors.

472
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Speaker 1: Doctor Jordan's fucking Piers was waiting because as soon as

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Speaker 1: you said professor watch list, like yeah, it was the

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Speaker 1: only person to talk to about after this. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: doctor professor Peterson describes some Stordan Peterson bad boy Peterson.

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Speaker 1: He describes himself as quote a classic British liberal who

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Speaker 1: defends individual freedom from collectivists. Now he has a particular

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Speaker 1: hatred for the Ontario Institute for the Studies of Education.

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Speaker 1: The organization's mission statement seems mild enough, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit confusing. It says that its goal is

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Speaker 1: to prepare scholars, teachers, and other professional leaders to be

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Speaker 1: equipped with the skills in global awareness required by an

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Speaker 1: increasingly challenging and complex society, ready to influence policy and

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Speaker 1: practice in their fields. But Peterson takes issue with what

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Speaker 1: I suspect is that last line, claiming the o I

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Speaker 1: S is basically a training ground for dastardly social justice warriors. Sorry. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In a two an teen interview with Epic Times, he

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Speaker 1: stayed at the Ontario Institute for the Studies of Education.

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Speaker 1: That bloody thing is a fifth column. The people who

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Speaker 1: are producing the educators that emerge from that institute, they

491
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Speaker 1: should be put on trial for treason. Like it's serious stuff.

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Speaker 1: The idea is that the purpose of education is to

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Speaker 1: get them while they're young in kindergartens, that this radical

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Speaker 1: postmodern Marxist ideology can be so thoroughly inculcated when they're

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Speaker 1: young they have no chance of escaping from it. And

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the education system. This paranoid maniac.

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Speaker 1: They need to be tried for treason. Precise in your speech,

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Speaker 1: Cody takes off his glasses and puts his head in

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Speaker 1: his hands. Just everyone is the visual I have. You

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Speaker 1: know how you know when you play like an Xbox

501
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Speaker 1: and you're playing a video game and they've got all

502
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Speaker 1: these different like little awards you can win for doing

503
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Speaker 1: shooting people in the head or whatever. My my one

504
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Speaker 1: for this podcast is going to be giving Cody an

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Speaker 1: embolism getting there god quote Yeah, it's his entire self

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Speaker 1: in sentence. Yeah, Yeah, these people are teaching things I

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Speaker 1: don't like. They should be on trial for I love

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Speaker 1: free speech. This is like yeah. Additionally, back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, to Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported that doctor professor

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Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson planned to a build a website listing university

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Speaker 1: courses in Canada that had what he claimed were postmodern,

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Speaker 1: neo Marxist course content. He told CTV, We're going to

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Speaker 1: start with the website in the next month and a half.

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Speaker 1: That will be designed to help students and parents identify

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Speaker 1: post modern content and courses so that they can avoid them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now there's created a bit of an uproar. According to

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Speaker 1: the website Inside Higher Education quote and a YouTube video

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Speaker 1: posted to his personal account, he highlighted English literature, anthropology, sociology,

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Speaker 1: women studies, and ethnic studies as the types of courses

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Speaker 1: that quote that have to go. Professors at the University

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Speaker 1: of Toronto expressed concern that they would be targeted by

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Speaker 1: such a list, which also led to fears of harassment.

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Speaker 1: Instructors of the potentially targeted courses believe that they're auto

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Speaker 1: to me as educators maybe under threat. The proposed website

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Speaker 1: has created a climate of fear and intimidation, the University

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Speaker 1: of Toronto Faculty Association set in a statement to Canadian

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Speaker 1: media Now. Shortly thereafter, free speech warrior doctor Professor Jordan Peterson,

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Speaker 1: professor doctor announced on Twitter that he had shelved for

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Speaker 1: now his plans to build a website listing courses he

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Speaker 1: thought should be banned, like women's studies. Good, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was about to ask you. You did say women's right,

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Speaker 1: who would need to study women? You did say anthropology, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: Also sociology, also ethnic studies. Also English literally English literature

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Speaker 1: be banned. The fact they don't that should be bad.

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Speaker 1: Have to go to Okay, let's not say that would

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Speaker 1: be the wrong word. Band, have to go. He's being

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Speaker 1: censored for his and we should be taking him seriously.

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Speaker 1: Famous censored millionaire doctor, Professor Jordan Peterson, who only eats meat,

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Speaker 1: who only eats beef and salt and water coops. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure fascinating, unbelievable. They are unbelievable poops. Yeah, they're unfathomable poops.

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Speaker 1: He's got um. This is the man who um had

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Speaker 1: literal apocalyptic dreams about the end of the world and

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Speaker 1: wanted to start a church and believes that his wife

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Speaker 1: has prophetic dreams. If he is the special boy who's

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Speaker 1: going to save the world from destabilization to destruction. I'm

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Speaker 1: not making this up now. In a different era, this man,

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Speaker 1: while he is scary, would be a worldwide threat of

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Speaker 1: some sort. Yeah, it sounds a little I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say hitlery, you know, That's what I was going at,

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Speaker 1: dreams of you saving the world from a one could

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Speaker 1: say cultural Marxism. He might have a different word for it,

552
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Speaker 1: savior syndrome type thing. Because there's a natural there's a

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Speaker 1: natural order. Um. I think we need to spell out

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Speaker 1: really directly why you and I see Nazi peralilels and

555
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: someone what's going on, because it is a little bit obscured.

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Speaker 1: I had actually an argument with this about my dad

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Speaker 1: recently because he doesn't understand like that when people talk

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Speaker 1: about cultural Marxism, Um, when they when that, which is

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Speaker 1: a big thing for Jordan people, that's what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said it before. What's the exact wording

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Speaker 1: he says postmodern neo Marxisms, like he talks about how

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Speaker 1: they switched it and stuff like that. But there are

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Speaker 1: other clips of him talking about literally cultural Marxisms. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's like he clearly used one term and then

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Speaker 1: switched to another term. The idea cultural Marxism comes from

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Speaker 1: fucking Nazi propaganda in the twenties and thirties when they

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Speaker 1: called it cultural bolshevismos or something like that, and the

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Speaker 1: idea was both that Marxism was infiltrating society and specifically

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Speaker 1: that it was infiltrating society through the Jews. And we're

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Speaker 1: trying to like undermine this is why we we see

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Speaker 1: when we make snide comments about Dr Jordan Peterson may

572
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Speaker 1: kind of bascists, we're not like reaching super far. There

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Speaker 1: was this ideology that was this attitude of cultural Marxism.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing that exists that was created by the

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Speaker 1: Nazis to justify what they did to the Jews. And

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Speaker 1: then a new generation of people has just sort of

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Speaker 1: cut the Jews out of cut the Judeo out of

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Speaker 1: Judaeo Bolshevis, and but they're like, no, there's still cultural

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Speaker 1: bolt It's now like it's like the liberal academia and

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Speaker 1: the left like radical leftist and their cultural like and

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Speaker 1: how like it's uh an amalgam of of these groups

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Speaker 1: that are doing this instead of just the Jews. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it's the it's yeah, the line is very

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Speaker 1: clear and like it's it's one of the things like, no,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson isn't a Nazi. He would have been. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's not. Even so there's that, but even beyond that,

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Speaker 1: someone that says that, oh my wife had a prophetic

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Speaker 1: dream that I am this your type person, or someone

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Speaker 1: that says, you know what, yeah, only eating meat that'll

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Speaker 1: cure depression. And I want to open up church and

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Speaker 1: want to open a church. We need to ban women's

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Speaker 1: studies at studies that for apology, which is just like

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Speaker 1: that's absolutely nuts. So that's somebody that's a maniac. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how else you describe him. And if you

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Speaker 1: get into power, this person gets into a power, it's terrified. Yeah,

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00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: he's got I don't want to I don't want to

597
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Speaker 1: oversell the state of the threat, but if Dr Jordan

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Speaker 1: Peterson gets his way, we will lose the best season

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Speaker 1: of Community. Are we really willing to Absolutely? No, window, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it's a good show. It's great. It's a great show.

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Speaker 1: A high note. Yeah that was actually really except gone

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00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, that was that was Oh yeah, no, that

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Speaker 1: both of all the actors they brought in for the azing. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it a lot. Writing is perfect, really yeah,

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Speaker 1: nice note cheers me up a little bit every time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've gotten well. Love of dragon. Now let's talk about

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Speaker 1: free speech warrior Dr Jordan Peterson, who was a big

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Speaker 1: fan of free speech, big fan of free speech, clearly

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Speaker 1: huge lover of free speech. In June of two nineteen,

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Speaker 1: the Doctor Professor was invited to speak at the Brain

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Speaker 1: Bar in Budapest by Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orban. Mr

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Speaker 1: Orbon wanted to speak with a doctor professor about current

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Speaker 1: political issues. According to New York Magazine quote, The Orbon

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Speaker 1: friendly news outlet Hungry Today described their meeting as an

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Speaker 1: amiable conversation about the dangers of a legal immigration, political correctness,

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Speaker 1: and Jean Claude Junker's apology. As for Karl Marks, Peterson

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Speaker 1: and Orbon also touched on a current tendency to minimize

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Speaker 1: the crimes committed under communist regimes. They cited an infamous

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Speaker 1: speech by European Commission President Jean Claude Junker, in which

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Speaker 1: they said he defended Carl Marks. Now, if you lean

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Speaker 1: a little bit more towards the conservative end of the spectrum,

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Speaker 1: and you have not kept a pace with Hungarian politics,

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Speaker 1: you may not immediately see what's so funked up about.

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Speaker 1: Victor Orbon is an avowed advocate of what he calls

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Speaker 1: alliberal democracy a k a. Not really democracy at all illiberal.

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Speaker 1: In his two thousand eighteen acceptance speech, he declared, an

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Speaker 1: into the era of liberal democracy. We have replaced a

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Speaker 1: shipwrecked liberal democracy with a twenty first century Christian democracy

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Speaker 1: which guarantees people's freedom security. It supports the traditional family

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Speaker 1: motto of model of one man and one woman, keeps

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism at bay, and gives a chance for growth.

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Speaker 1: M free speech lover Victor Orbon now after his election

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Speaker 1: he passed a series of punitive laws and launched a

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Speaker 1: propaganda campaign that forced the Central European University to withdraw

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Speaker 1: from his country. New York Magazine describes them as a

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Speaker 1: liberal institution whose avowed purpose was to protect the open

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Speaker 1: society from a from authoritarianism of the right or left.

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Speaker 1: They also note that at the nation's remaining colleges, Orbon

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Speaker 1: has banned fields of study that conflict with the state's

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Speaker 1: conception of truth. And will Orban identifies as in the

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Speaker 1: Liberal Democrat. His party has insulated its power against the

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Speaker 1: threat of popular rebuke to such a degree that many

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Speaker 1: scholars describe his regime as a creeping dictatorship. Now, in

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Speaker 1: a teen interview, Dr Peterson himself agreed that Hungary's assaults

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Speaker 1: on academic freedom were unacceptable, yet he agreed to sit

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Speaker 1: down with Orbon and have a convivial talk about the

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00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: danger of cultural Marxism. Meanwhile, Peterson decried the idea that

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Speaker 1: people ought to accept different gender pronouns for trans and

649
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: non binary people as being dangerously in line with quote

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Speaker 1: the Marxist doctrines that killed at least a hundred million

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Speaker 1: people in the twentieth century. What what Dr Professor Jordan

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00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: Peterson there expert on the world? The world? UM it's

653
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: so interesting to hear him talk about UM and it's

654
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: like one of those things like you don't hear him

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Speaker 1: talk about the other side of this. Um are the

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Speaker 1: people that die from uh fascist extension of sort of

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Speaker 1: what he espouses, You don't. It's just interesting. It's only

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Speaker 1: communism people um on. He doesn't feel compelled to talk

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Speaker 1: about that. It's his right, it's his right spear point

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Speaker 1: of order. Uh. Jordan B. Peterson, who's a clinical psychologist Dr.

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Speaker 1: Dr Professor J. Peterson, clinical psychologist UM, has on more

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Speaker 1: than one occasion on camera claimed to be an evolutionary

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Speaker 1: biologist UM and a neuroscientist, two things he is not,

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Speaker 1: two things that a respectable uh A professor or doctor

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Speaker 1: wouldn't claim to be if they were not. UM. It

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Speaker 1: seems like perhaps he's uh adult, dishonored, dishonest. Also, he's

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Speaker 1: once asked if he supported gay marriage the cultural Marxists

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Speaker 1: are supporting, and he was like, well, if culture Marxist

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Speaker 1: supported I wouldn't support it. So oh cool, very cool.

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Speaker 1: That's a solid intellectual line to take. Now. Earlier in

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Speaker 1: this episode and we started talking about the Good Doctor,

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Speaker 1: I noted that he identifies personally as a classic British liberal.

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Speaker 1: Probably heard that, Kay, yeah, this is not an uncommon

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Speaker 1: statement from intellectual figures on the right. Many of them

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Speaker 1: identify as classical liberals. When they do so, they are

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Speaker 1: putting themselves in line with an intellectual tradition that is

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Speaker 1: descended in large part from a nineteenth century philosopher and

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Speaker 1: British member of Parliament named John Stuart Mill in his

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Speaker 1: influential essay on Liberty, Mill wrote this, there ought to

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Speaker 1: exist the fullest liberty of professing and discussing as a

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Speaker 1: matter of ethical conviction. Any doctrine, however immoral, it may

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Speaker 1: be considered. If all mankind minus one were of one opinion,

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Speaker 1: and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind

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Speaker 1: would be no more justified in silencing that one person

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Speaker 1: than he, if he had the power, would be justified

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Speaker 1: in silencing mankind. Now on classical liberals like Peterson talk

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Speaker 1: about free speech, they are calling upon the ideas they

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Speaker 1: inherited from Mill, or at least the ideas they believe

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Speaker 1: they inherited from Mill. I found a great article about

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Speaker 1: this on The Conversation titled the Strange Origins of Free

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Speaker 1: Speech Warriors quote in truth, thinkers such as Mill were

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Speaker 1: far from being libertarians, and what's more, would never have

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Speaker 1: embraced the borderline absolutist position of today's free speech warriors.

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Speaker 1: Based in what is called the harm principle, Mill argued

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Speaker 1: for a big government approach to situations into situations in

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Speaker 1: which the exercise of liberty might result in the harm

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Speaker 1: to others or even to the individual practicing it, and

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Speaker 1: on liberty. He argues that parents of poor moral fiber

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Speaker 1: may have their children removed from the home, and causes

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Speaker 1: and calls for similar state and intervention to stop the

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Speaker 1: harms caused by gamblers, prostitutes, and the drug addicts. Even

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Speaker 1: more broadly, he decides that the uncultivated cannot be competent

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Speaker 1: judges of cultivation. Those who most need to be made

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Speaker 1: wiser and better usually desire at least, and if they

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Speaker 1: desire it would be incapable of finding the way to

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Speaker 1: it by their own light. They've got to go. Yeah. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: I'd be a little bit remiss in talking about the

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Speaker 1: harm principle without getting into a little little bit of

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Speaker 1: the history of US Jewish prudence as it relates to

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Speaker 1: free speech cases. In March of nineteen nineteen, which is

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Speaker 1: about a hundred years ago, Oliver Oliver Windell Holmes, Oh Homie,

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Speaker 1: Classic wind Holmesy, Oh Windy, A good names whimsy. That's

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Speaker 1: a good nickname for whimsy. Supreme Court Justice wrote a

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Speaker 1: series of unanimous opinions on three cases upholding the convictions

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Speaker 1: and prison sentences of members of the Socialist Party. These

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Speaker 1: people's crime had been writing and distributing some fifteen thousand

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Speaker 1: flyers too, men who were in the process of being conscripted.

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Speaker 1: The flyers argued that conscription was in voluntary servitude and

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Speaker 1: prohibited by the Thirteenth Amendment. Also involved with the court

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Speaker 1: cases of Eugene Debs, a socialist presidential candidate who protested

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Speaker 1: against World War One. In a speech, Deb's and his

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Speaker 1: comrades were found to have violated the Espionage and Sedition Acts,

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Speaker 1: and justifying their incarceration, Holmes wrote, words which ordinarily, and

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Speaker 1: in many cases would be would be within the freedom

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Speaker 1: of speech protected by the First Amendment, may become subject

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Speaker 1: of prohibition when of such nature and used in such

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Speaker 1: circumstances as to create a clear and present danger that

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Speaker 1: they will be bring about the substantive evils of which

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Speaker 1: Congress has a right to prevent. Free speech. Free speech

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Speaker 1: sounds kind of Peterson, sounds a little bit petersonny. Now,

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Speaker 1: Holmes went on to write a line that has since

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Speaker 1: become famous. The most stringent protection of free speech would

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Speaker 1: not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a

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Speaker 1: theater and causing a panic. That's where that comes from.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote next from an article in the l

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Speaker 1: a review of books by Stephen Rhode about sort of

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Speaker 1: where all this ends after we we jail all these

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Speaker 1: socialists for a free speech that's too dangerous to be allowed.

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Speaker 1: Only eight months later, in November nineteen nineteen, joined by

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Speaker 1: his protege, Justice Brandeis, in the case Abrams v. United

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Speaker 1: States Homes, would signal a dramatic and pivotal shift in

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Speaker 1: his approach to the First Amendment, as recounted in the

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Speaker 1: illuminating essay write Skepticism and Majority Rule at the Birth

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Speaker 1: of the Modern First Amendment by Vincent Lassi Coreless Lamont,

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Speaker 1: Professor of Civil Liberties at Columbia Law School, which explains

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Speaker 1: why the year nineteen nineteen deserves to inaugurate the free

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Speaker 1: speech century. Holmes descent planted the fertile seeds of our

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Speaker 1: modern day First Amendment jurisprudence. Holmes declared that the ultimate

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Speaker 1: good desire is better reached by free trade and ideas,

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Speaker 1: that the best test of truth is the power of

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Speaker 1: the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of

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Speaker 1: the market, and that the truth is the only ground

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Speaker 1: upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. He

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00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: saw the Constitution as an experiment, as all life is

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Speaker 1: an experiment. But he warned that we should be eternally

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Speaker 1: vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that

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Speaker 1: we loathe and believed to be fraught with death, unless

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Speaker 1: they so immediately threatened interference with the lawful, impressing purposes

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Speaker 1: of the law, that an immediate check is required to

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Speaker 1: save the country. Okay, this is what he does. Eight

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Speaker 1: months after agreeing that those socialists A would be jailed

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Speaker 1: for saying the traction people slavery, now Holmes his views.

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Speaker 1: The new views that he shifted to JA they would

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Speaker 1: be codified in American law. Fifty years later, during the

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine Brandenburg v. Ohio case and another unanimous decision,

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court overturned the conviction of the KKK leader

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Speaker 1: who had led a rally of armed men. These klansmen

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Speaker 1: had burnt crosses and talked about taking revenge against the

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Speaker 1: Inwards and Jews that in claimed that the US government

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Speaker 1: continues to suppress the white Caucasian race. They announced plans

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Speaker 1: for the fourth of July march on Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: In his pure curium opinion for the Court, Justice William

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Speaker 1: Brennan wrote, the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free

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Speaker 1: press do not permit a state to probid or prescribe

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Speaker 1: advocacy of the use of force or of law violation,

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Speaker 1: except where an advocacy is directed to inciting or producing

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Speaker 1: imminent lawless action and as likely to incite or produce

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Speaker 1: such action. It's interesting to me when we talk about

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Speaker 1: the history of the evolution of free speech in this

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Speaker 1: country that when socialists told draftees that being conscripted violated

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Speaker 1: their human rights, that speech was too dangerous to be protected.

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00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: But when white supremacists carried guns and promised to take

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Speaker 1: vengeance on black people and Jews, the Supreme Court decided

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Speaker 1: that's explicitly protected. As long as they do say that

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Speaker 1: vengeance should occur on this exact day, I would say

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable us right, yeah, man, the people threatening lives

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Speaker 1: are fine. This adds up to me. Don't if you

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Speaker 1: don't say a date, if I don't say if you

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Speaker 1: don't say date, just say we should take revenge against

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Speaker 1: the Jews. But don't say we should take revenge against

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Speaker 1: the Jews on July. That's where so as long as

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Speaker 1: it's not like an organized flash mob type situation. Then yeah,

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00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: good to know. Cool? No, what else is cool? Both?

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, I I hope it's a dick pill ad.

795
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: We really could use some dick pills. Hims, great dick

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Speaker 1: pills him him. You sure about that? There's a new

797
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: drug being developed for for women to make women aroused,

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00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: and like that seems like incredibly it seems like complicated morally.

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Speaker 1: Its like it's like like a dangerous kind of try

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Speaker 1: to make available to just like two women. Um, I

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: think it's a dangerous ring to make available to. That's

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00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: what I'm might wearing. I have no issue with women

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Speaker 1: taking whatever drive all for women taking control of that.

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00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about men getting hold of that drug. Yes,

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00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: I hear you, But you know what, I'm not concerned

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Speaker 1: with services products. I was going to say, just erection

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00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: drugs in general. Yeah, sure, because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys know this, but the climate is collapsing and

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00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: sex is zero emissions. Uh the rise, it's on the rise.

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Speaker 1: It's good, it's good to have and some with all

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Speaker 1: these horrible facts we read, sometimes it's hard to get

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Speaker 1: an erection. So you guys should be women slipping their

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Speaker 1: your dig pills and two drinks. That. Yeah, the one

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Speaker 1: thing I I don't I don't know where to go.

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Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be a Microsoft ad after this anyway,

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00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: which oh perfect, Oh yeah, talk about it one way

817
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: or the other. Buy some dick pills. That was a

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Speaker 1: free addict be Microsoft. That was so good. I think

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Speaker 1: we get like like twice as much ad money from that.

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Speaker 1: We get millions of dollars, millions of dollars. We'll be

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Speaker 1: like Dr Jordan Peterson, I'm going to tell people to

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Speaker 1: only eat meat. I do not want to be like, no, no,

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00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: all right, go here's some ads. We're back from our digression. Jesus,

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00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: Cody's pretending to Peter again. Peter, I've never done it

825
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Speaker 1: a lot. I'm working on it. He's working on it.

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Speaker 1: He's doing it, getting his tight five with the comedy seller. Now,

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Speaker 1: we just talked a little bit about, you know, the

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Speaker 1: worrigins of free speech low and how it's evolved over

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Speaker 1: the less inury. How maybe four on one side and

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00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: not so much forgiven when it's really really extreme and yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's when it's related to human rights sort of

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00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: like the other way. Yeah, yeah, Now let's talk about

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00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: the organized and well funded campaign to make sure freedom

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Speaker 1: of speech continues to evolve in a very specific direction.

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Speaker 1: Freedom of speech law, I should say, the concept itself,

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00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: although that too. Ye ever heard of Brett Weinstein? Sure have.

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Speaker 1: I was going to bring him up earlier, And here

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00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: we are, and here we are. He was a biology

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Speaker 1: professor at Evergreen State College. He went viral online for

840
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Speaker 1: opposing a protest that asked white students and faculty to

841
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Speaker 1: stay home as part of a symbolic protest against white supremacy. Now,

842
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: he was not fired for this, but he was criticized

843
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: for his actions. So he resigned, sued the school, and

844
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: got a bunch of money in a settlement, and then

845
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: did the rounds talking to Ben Shapiro, Joe Rogan, David Reuben,

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Speaker 1: The world the current one? Yeah. Now. The intellectual dark

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Speaker 1: web itself was first coined and defined by Barry Weiss,

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Speaker 1: staff editor of the New York Times Opinion section. She

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Speaker 1: has also been a guest on Joe Robin's podcast Now.

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Speaker 1: We noted earlier that the claims of that coddling of

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Speaker 1: the American mind article don't hold up to evidence. Uh,

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Speaker 1: four years of college, of course, makes people less supportive

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Speaker 1: abandoning any kind of free speech, and young people are

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Speaker 1: more tolerant of offensive speech than older Americans, no matter

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Speaker 1: what academic free speech grifters like Weinstein may claim. The

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Speaker 1: Foundation for Individual Rights and Educations found that in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, there were a grand total of eighteen

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Speaker 1: disinvitation attempts across all colleges and universities in the United States,

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Speaker 1: not all of those succeeded. Given that young people are

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Speaker 1: more likely to tolerate offensive speech and that college students

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Speaker 1: are less likely to support free speech restrictions in the

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Speaker 1: general population, one is left wondering what all this hubbub

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Speaker 1: arose from. It may have something to do with the

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Speaker 1: fact that Generation Z, or the Eye generation, is further

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Speaker 1: to the left than any other group in this country.

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Speaker 1: Seventy percent of them believe the government should be more

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Speaker 1: involved in problem solving, say racial and ethnic diversity is

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Speaker 1: good for society, compared to forty nine and forty eight

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Speaker 1: percent of Baby Boomers, respectively. That yeah, Now, Generation Z

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Speaker 1: also prefers socialism to capitalism by a marked majority party.

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Speaker 1: And this, you might expect, is terrifying to several small

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Speaker 1: but influential groups in our country. And when I say small,

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Speaker 1: I mean like two guys the Coke Brothers go. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to quote next from a fantastic article in The

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Speaker 1: American Prospect by Aaron Friedman, which inspired this episode. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Dave Reuben's influential podcast at the Reuben Report has a

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Speaker 1: financial partnership with Learned Liberty I think Tanks started by

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Speaker 1: the Coke funded Institute for Humane Studies i h S,

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Speaker 1: where Charles G. Coke himself sits on the board. When

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Speaker 1: the Canadian government denied Jordan Peterson funding for his work,

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Speaker 1: Rebel Media, a group funded with Coke money and headed

895
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Speaker 1: by Ezra Levant, a far right islamophobe with ties to

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Speaker 1: the Coke network, raised cash for him. Peterson has since

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Speaker 1: returned the favor. Fundraising for the i h S. Ben

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Speaker 1: Shapiro has collected speaker fees from the Coke funded Young

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Speaker 1: Americans Foundation and Turning Point USA, and Brett Weinstein was

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Speaker 1: hosted by the University of Wisconsin stouts free Speech Week,

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Speaker 1: a project of their Center for the Study of Institutions

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Speaker 1: in an Nations, funded by you guessed it, the Charles G.

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Speaker 1: Coke Foundation. It's not just the I d W itself,

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Speaker 1: some of its key popularizers also get Coke funding. Barry

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Speaker 1: Weiss and The Atlantic's Connor Freezerdorff, who has been one

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Speaker 1: of the most visible defenders of Peterson in the mainstream media,

907
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Speaker 1: have both received cash prizes from the Coke funded Reason Foundation,

908
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Speaker 1: where David Coke himself sits on the board of trustees.

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Speaker 1: And remember the coddling of the American Mind Well. One

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Speaker 1: of its co authors, Greg Lukianoff, is the head of

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Speaker 1: that campus free speech watchdog Fire. That organization is funded,

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Speaker 1: of course, by the Coke brothers. For good measure, at

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Speaker 1: the Charles Coke Institute also did a laudatory right up

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Speaker 1: of the piece. Did you mention the Daily Caller? Not yet?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, they also there. The Atlantic is perhaps

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Speaker 1: the worst defender. Last year, it launched the Speech Wars

917
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Speaker 1: Are reporting project that seeks to understand where free speech

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Speaker 1: is in danger and where it has been abused. Even

919
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Speaker 1: though the magazine had just been bought by billionaire Lareen

920
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Speaker 1: Powell Jobs and was seeing all time high circulation web traffic,

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Speaker 1: the Atlantic solicited funding for the project from none other

922
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Speaker 1: than the Charles Coke found The Reporters Committee for Freedom

923
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Speaker 1: of the Press and the Fetzer Institute were also underwriters.

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Speaker 1: When I asked The Atlantic for comment, a spokesperson replied

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Speaker 1: that the editorial control for the series, as with every

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Speaker 1: piece of journalism we create, restlely with The Atlantic. But

927
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Speaker 1: the magazine refused to tonither reporters and editors with the

928
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Speaker 1: Speech Wars Are ever in contact with the Coke Foundation

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Speaker 1: editor in chief Jeffrey Goldbrick did not respond to my

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Speaker 1: request for comment, and The Atlantic is not disclosed how

931
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Speaker 1: much money it is received from the Coke Foundation. That's

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Speaker 1: actually pretty surprising for me. Yeah. The first half I

933
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Speaker 1: was like yeah, yeah, I was like wait, what I know,

934
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Speaker 1: and then that excuse me, I just kept going yeah,

935
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Speaker 1: interesting all together. And they're terrified. Yeah, they are scaredy

936
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Speaker 1: young folks. They're I mean, they're like really going forward

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Speaker 1: with funding a lot of like uh centrists for the

938
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Speaker 1: and like, yeah, they are terrified losing of literally losing

939
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Speaker 1: like two to of their wealth. Richard Fink, president of

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Speaker 1: the Charles G. Coke Charitable Foundation, has explained this whole

941
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: strategy in talking about his Structure of Social change philosophy.

942
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Speaker 1: The basic idea is to spend Coke money in strategic

943
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Speaker 1: waste to influence broad social change. I think believes college

944
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Speaker 1: campuses are one of the most important places to spend

945
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Speaker 1: money in order to institute changes. And that's why all

946
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Speaker 1: this is happening. The Cokes and their billionaire friends who

947
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Speaker 1: help fund their foundation directly to fund the free speech

948
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: grifters because they see what's coming a generation who wants

949
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: to take their money and use it for such violins

950
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Speaker 1: as clean water in American cities, roads and basic healthcare.

951
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Speaker 1: They aren't scared on behalf of free speech. They're scared

952
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Speaker 1: on behalf of their bank accounts. I mean that's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. Right there reminded me of you know,

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Speaker 1: the Daily Beas is obviously very liberal. Yeah, the thing

955
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Speaker 1: half the time, not half the time, but every so

956
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Speaker 1: often you go on there and they've got an article

957
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Speaker 1: and ad mass grading as an article by the Koch brothers.

958
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Speaker 1: They're like the Koch Brothers plan to make the world,

959
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Speaker 1: to save the world. I think that's actually the headline

960
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Speaker 1: where one of them was the Koch Brothers plan to

961
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Speaker 1: save the world. Who may be advertising on this episode,

962
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Speaker 1: like you, there's a chance, there's non zero chancing. The um,

963
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: it's always it's it's always so obvious and interesting and

964
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: keeps going and going. The just the amount of projection

965
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: from these people. UM. Obviously the free speech thing and

966
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Speaker 1: the sense of ship on campus is the opposite, as

967
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: we've discussed. But then like you have all these people

968
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Speaker 1: who really go hard in on like George Soros is

969
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: using is billions of dollars to like stay like all

970
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: the all that kind of stuff. But everyone who's saying

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Speaker 1: that is funded by these you're show man, how did

972
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Speaker 1: you get that idea in your head? The personal experience

973
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Speaker 1: and like also like just even if you take it

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975
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Speaker 1: what's the purpose? One is like for humanitarian reasons, and

976
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Speaker 1: one is to protect their money. Yeah, it makes me

977
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Speaker 1: crazy that this age we live in is like not me,

978
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Speaker 1: you know you. Yeah, it's very frustrating. It's very frustrating,

979
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Speaker 1: very frustrating and frustrating. I love that the media is

980
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: constantly attacked for being liberal and left leaning, but even

981
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,600
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982
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983
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Speaker 1: limits on emissions are bad. But you know you're not

984
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Speaker 1: gonna see on the Atlantic. You know what you're gonna

985
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Speaker 1: see in the Daily Beast is like an article on

986
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Speaker 1: why workers should control the means of production. Yeah, the

987
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: framing of like the far left media, it's just so frustrating.

988
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: I haven't seen an article about how profits are theft

989
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: from workers. Yeah, I haven't seen that in a while.

990
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody. Also the media, I mean obviously

991
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: there's a bias against Trump and everything. But even at that,

992
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: even talking about stuff, they're so concerned with not appearing

993
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Speaker 1: biased that they you know, oftentimes, Yeah, it's like the

994
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Speaker 1: fucking these people who call themselves fucking journalists and I

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Speaker 1: want to just punch in the face for even using

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Speaker 1: that word, who like say, look, it maybe accurate to

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Speaker 1: call them concentration camps, but like it really offends people,

998
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1000
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Speaker 1: Look at it. It's a concentration camp. Let me describe

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Speaker 1: a real real cool. I didn't realize the Atlantic got

1008
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1009
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1017
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1018
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1020
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