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Speaker 2: It is earnings day here. It's another big earnings days.

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Speaker 2: In additions to being a fed day. One of the

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Speaker 2: comes reporting earnings today was Tea Mobile. We got some

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Speaker 2: really good numbers, stock up eight and a half percent.

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Speaker 2: On the news, Mike Siaver joins us. He's the CEO

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Speaker 2: of t Mobile. He joins us here in our Bloomberg

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Speaker 2: Interactive brokerin studio. Mike, thanks so much for coming here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: What does the market like about the results you put

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Speaker 2: up today?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, we're just consistently outperforming expectations, and that's what

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Speaker 3: the market looks for in a business like ours. We're

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Speaker 3: taking share, we're growing, and then across the board we

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Speaker 3: beat expectations. We just finished the strongest growth here ever

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Speaker 3: in our history. And that's saying something because we have

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Speaker 3: a story to growth history in this company, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of people wonder is the big growth, you know, run

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Speaker 3: behind us, and we just demonstrated yet again. No, it's not.

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Speaker 4: It's hard for me to get really excited about my

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Speaker 4: mobile service provider. But your customers, it's like they were

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Speaker 4: in a cult. What's the secret sauce? That's my softball question.

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Speaker 3: You know, our value, our corporate values start with this

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Speaker 3: basic idea, love our customers, you know, give them more,

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Speaker 3: ask less of them, and they notice. That's just a

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Speaker 3: huge part of our brand. And we have this thing

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Speaker 3: we do called t Mobile Tuesdays where every week customers

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Speaker 3: come to our Tea Life app which has fifty million users,

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Speaker 3: and they engage to find out how are we rewarding

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Speaker 3: them this week? Do you know what this week's was?

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Speaker 3: We gave away a shack Burger, like the world's best

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Speaker 3: burger for free to every single team.

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Speaker 4: Most reflix too if you signed.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, Mike. This is you're in a competitive business.

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Speaker 2: I think about the wireless business, the batterers to change

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Speaker 2: are pretty minimal. Churn is always an issue. Your competitors

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Speaker 2: are depocketed. They're good competitors. Is it just you guys

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Speaker 2: switching customers all the time just for deals? Talk to

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Speaker 2: us about the churn for your company, Your business well.

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Speaker 3: Churns at historic lows across the industry, not just TEA Mobile.

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Speaker 3: We just had our best churn year ever. So people

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Speaker 3: aren't switching a lot when they are switching the net

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't need for others to fail in

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Speaker 3: order for us to succeed in our business. This is

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Speaker 3: a great neighborhood. We just happen to be the best

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Speaker 3: house in the neighborhood, and so we're out growing everyone.

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Speaker 3: But this is a healthy, vibrant sector. Everyone's you know,

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Speaker 3: growing and making money. I think that's great. Part of

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Speaker 3: it is people can't get enough of the service that

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Speaker 3: we all offer at T Mobile. You know, we just

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Speaker 3: per customer. And that's not because of pricing. It's because

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Speaker 3: customers are self selecting up our rate card to our

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Speaker 3: they want what we have to sell. That's a great dynamic,

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Speaker 3: not just for T Mobile, but for the industry.

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Speaker 4: The growth strategy is organic or M and A or what.

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Speaker 3: It's organic principally, I mean we do have a number

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Speaker 3: the growth is an organic growth story focused on taking share,

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Speaker 4: Of those I don't understand, like outdoor advertising, what does

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we just announced the acquisition of a company called Vistar,

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Speaker 3: We call it marketing services for marketers by marketers. T

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Speaker 3: with place based marketing outdoor marketing. That's the Vista acquisition

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I love the outdoor business. You can't

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Speaker 2: back in the day. Apple, Mark German Bloomberg News. Apple

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Speaker 2: has been working with SpaceX and Tea Mobile on starlink.

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Speaker 2: What is starlink?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this is the ability to connect your mobile

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Speaker 3: We're going to throw the doors open on this thing.

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Speaker 3: If you can see the sky, you're connected. That's point

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Speaker 3: the iPhone at this That's correct. These are lower th

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Speaker 3: and vice versa. But this country, you guys, has five

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Speaker 3: it's a massive part of our land mass, and we're

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Speaker 4: Okay, So if I uh on my bucket list is

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna have to check on how good the

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Speaker 4: That you know.

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Speaker 3: That's a big piece of this because you know now

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Speaker 4: It's in beta testing right now. It's just confined to messaging.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of satellites are in the air where we have

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Speaker 4: So I can get rid of my satellite phone. We

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Speaker 3: I think the time will come when that's the case,

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Speaker 2: For you guys, that's how I think about the wireless business.

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Speaker 2: Is that all pricing? If so, how do you think

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Speaker 3: It's sharetaking and self selecting up our rate card, you know,

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Speaker 3: Postpaid service revenue growth eight percent, more than double the

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Speaker 3: a dynamic that makes T mobiles so different in this

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Speaker 4: Now, how do you raise prices? You sort of touched

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Speaker 3: Cult members? Well, one thing is people. You know, we

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Speaker 3: Do you know that sixty percent of our new customers

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Speaker 2: Subscriber acquisition costs. How are they trending for you guys

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Speaker 3: They're pretty flat and that's good. We're very comfortable with

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Speaker 4: There is a FED meeting today. Can you tell me

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Speaker 2: Market structure in the wireless business three main players, Okay,

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is the cable companies, Charter and

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Speaker 4: In the smaller markets. That's a big deal for you too, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, forty percent of the country everything that's not the

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Speaker 3: It's a huge source of our growth right now.

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Speaker 1: And so on.

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Speaker 2: A REVENU pro user how do you guys stack up

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Speaker 3: They're both above us, okay, you know, and it shows

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Speaker 3: that there's room to run for us because you know,

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Speaker 3: we came from a place that is much more value oriented.

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Speaker 3: We're never going to give up those value roots. I mean,

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Speaker 3: opportunity like that as well, as long as we're true

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Speaker 2: Challenge you face going forward right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's demonstrating to people that this is not just

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Speaker 3: but also some of the inorganic things we've talked about.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike, thanks for coming in. Really appreciated Mike Seavert.

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Speaker 2: He is the CEO of T Mobile.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 2: The company just reported earnings today beat earnings on the

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Speaker 2: top line and the ibitha line, which is where Mike

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Speaker 2: was seeing a lot of these investors look. And right now,

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Speaker 2: we got to stock up about eight and a half percent,

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Speaker 2: so a good day for Temo stock trading over the

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Speaker 2: last twelve years about up forty seven percent, so some

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Speaker 2: solid results there.

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Speaker 4: Four the stock.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate Mike coming in.

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