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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. It's Matt, it's been, it's stuff. They

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know you were you. This is

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Speaker 1: a classic episode about one of the most globally successful

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Speaker 1: genres of music in recent history, k pop.

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Speaker 2: Oh Baby, Look, Admittedly, I know everything I know about

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Speaker 2: K pop from what I gather while sitting at the

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Speaker 2: Korean steakhouse when I go with my son, because we

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Speaker 2: love those places and we go all the time, and

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Speaker 2: on the screens in every single one there is K pop.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know who these people are, what they're doing,

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Speaker 2: or why they're doing.

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Speaker 1: You'll know BTS. You're not down with BTS.

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Speaker 2: I am aware of them, I think because they were

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Speaker 2: on SNL maybe or if they played there Albert.

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Speaker 1: Yet they had something like a British invasion level pop

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Speaker 1: culture phenomenon occurring. K pop short for Korean pop music

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Speaker 1: originated in the ROK the Republic of Korea that South Korea.

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Speaker 1: It is a multi billion dollar industry. They make all

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Speaker 1: these pitch perfect idols and groups who come and go

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Speaker 1: their trend setters. Originally they were just trendsetters in South Korea,

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Speaker 1: but then they quickly became trendsetters and Taylor Swift level

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Speaker 1: global thing. Everybody is at least aware of the term kpop.

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Speaker 1: And we thought back in twenty twenty, we thought, well,

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Speaker 1: if there's this much money involved, multi billion dollar industry,

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Speaker 1: is it all you know? Trumpets, sick dance moves, angel

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Speaker 1: farts and fun. Yeah, it's gotta be surely right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: surely nothing goes wrong.

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Speaker 2: It can't sound like Destiny's Child and in sync in

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Speaker 2: these videos and songs and not be okay.

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Speaker 1: And why do they always I don't think we get

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Speaker 1: to this in this episode, but a question I have

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Speaker 1: anytime I'm out in Korea is why is there all

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Speaker 1: there's like almost always one member of a K pop

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Speaker 1: there's almost always one member who's known for rapping.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just like Lisa Lefti Lopez man I remember those times.

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Speaker 1: Toco Chase of Waterfalls. We did, and we found hidden

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Speaker 1: hands of plenty participating in the multi billion dollar success

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Speaker 1: of this industry. We were also, by the way, folks,

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty, we were a little bit concerned

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Speaker 1: that we might have some K pop fans coming at

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Speaker 1: us for this one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, come at us.

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Speaker 1: Bro Okay, we'll learn. We never we were going to

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Speaker 1: make a K pop video and choreograph dance moves.

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Speaker 3: This whole thing we kind of did.

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Speaker 2: Check our Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy stuff show, and while you're on the internet, please

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Speaker 1: check out the dark side of K pop. Let's roll the.

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Speaker 4: Tape from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 4: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 4: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: it's you.

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Speaker 1: My name is not call me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: as always with our super producer Paul. Mission control decands.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are here and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Gentlemen, I propose that

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Speaker 1: we skip the Twitter roll call for now. I just

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Speaker 2: That's just maybe personal feeling, but that's where I'm at.

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Speaker 5: I've been doing a lot of things that I don't

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Speaker 5: I'm all about it. I'm playing Borderlands three. I wanted

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Speaker 5: He's you know, running a fever of about one hundred

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, and thanks for sharing that on air. So

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Speaker 1: peek behind the curtain here, conspiracy realists. Uh, we've been

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Speaker 1: guys text messages where I've been screencapping some some of

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Speaker 1: similar communications. Thank you to everybody who's been reaching out

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Speaker 1: are troubled days. So we're here for you. You can

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Speaker 1: Nol on what'd you say, borderlands?

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Speaker 2: Yes big ups, indeed and to everybody else who's putting

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Speaker 1: see we're delving into the global phenomena collectively known as

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Speaker 5: Second it reminds me of like That do You want To?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly. Right he's an Acceptable dave. SUBSTITUTE i, agree MAN.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah well here's what. Happens so there's an interesting

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Speaker 5: One, yeah and this was not just like a. Band

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Speaker 5: Boys and then we've Got, yeah that Was Young Joan.

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Speaker 1: Crazy here's the, thing a lot of those younger studios

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Speaker 1: when we say idol, group we mean. Idol these folks

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Speaker 1: Group so you, KNOW i love that monkey's reference because

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Speaker 1: like you, know they like they like a little. Gyrate

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Speaker 2: Days, well they like these beatles and we need to

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Speaker 3: Those we'll just call them The.

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Speaker 1: BUT i just want to SAY i Love red Rubber.

436
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: Ball everyone should listen to it when you get a.

437
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: Chance that's a GOOD i.

438
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 5: Think so it's a good vocal warm, up, though isn't.

439
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Speaker 3: It that's hard to.

440
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: SAY i really thought that was an hot.

441
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: Song what is h O T well what what what's your? Question?

442
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 3: Oh, OH i mean they're called idol.

443
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 5: Bands that's obviously where The American american idol came. From

444
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 5: it was emulating the system of talent shows that was

445
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 5: so huge that created this, industry.

446
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah one hundred percent. Agreed and

447
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: that means that we can also trace the evolution of

448
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: all the other kind of shows Like America's Got, talent,

449
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: uh and you, know whatever their derivatives, are we can

450
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: we can trace all of that to this. Genre so

451
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: now we have now we have the emergence of the idol,

452
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: group the emergence of these these, huge these Like leviathan sized,

453
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: businesses and it's off to the. Races, nowadays the global

454
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: invasion OF k pop is part of a larger cultural

455
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: invasion CALLED hollyu or The Korean. Wave But, MATT i

456
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: really like something you pointed. Out how big of a

457
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: business are we? Talking we'll explore that briefly after a

458
00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: word from our. Sponsor, okay we're. Back how big of a? Business,

459
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: well it's, global that's for. Sure that's an understatement of

460
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know, history because

461
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: today the popularity OF k pop not JUST, hollyu but

462
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: SPECIFICALLY k pop reaches, far, far far beyond The South korean.

463
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: Borders there was a survey conducted in twenty nineteen where

464
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: they asked a ton of people in seventeen different, countries you,

465
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: know what's the word ON k pop in your neck

466
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: of the global, Woods and thirty seven point five percent

467
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: of everybody responding in all seventeen countries said THAT k

468
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: pop was super popular in their. Country and think about, that,

469
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: cause you, know not everybody in those seventeen different countries

470
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: Speaks korean rite or Reads. Korean the fans are almost

471
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: their own. Episode the fans OF k pop are. Rabid

472
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: they are fanatically loyal across the, planet and there are

473
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: even some what are called anti. Fans have you guys

474
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: heard about? This the anti fans who for one reason

475
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: or another specifically zone in and hate A k pop

476
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: band or a, performer sometimes because they feel like that

477
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: person is has done something wrong to A k pop

478
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: performer that they. Like it's very weird like, this this

479
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: is a graphic, thing but the level of stalking here

480
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: has entered like fatal attraction cape fear degrees of. Extremes

481
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: not to be too, crass but fans have in the

482
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: past sent letters proclaiming they're undying love to again people

483
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: they've never. Met but these letters have been written in,

484
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: blood particularly menstrual, blood at least a few. Cases, yeah, yeah, Okay.

485
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: Well they'll even go so far as to set up

486
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: cameras And mike's in the hotel rooms of traveling musicians

487
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: as these bands as they're going, around they'll like show

488
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: up early and basically bug the rooms before the band gets,

489
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 2: there and then versus record them and put.

490
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 5: Videos NOW i THINK i may have mentioned this to, You,

491
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 5: ben but WHEN i got back from a trip not

492
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 5: too long, ago in the in the gate at The

493
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 5: Atlanta Heartsfield Jackson, airport there was a group of what

494
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: appeared to Be japanese Or korean school aged, girls and

495
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: they were wearing you, know the traditional kind of school,

496
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: garb like the you, know a skirt and kind of

497
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 5: like a uniform. Top and they were all wearing, masks

498
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: SO i couldn't quite tell what their nationality, was AND

499
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: i was also From, afar but they all had these

500
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 5: very pricey looking telephoto lenses and we're all just snavity

501
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: snapping it up at these four dudes hanging out in

502
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: the corner looking on their. Phones, Uh AND i believe

503
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: they had to have either Been jay OR k pop.

504
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: Dudes But i'm, like how are these these young ladies

505
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 5: happened to be traveling with? Them or what's the? Deal,

506
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 5: like like are they following them around the? Country like it's?

507
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: That is that a? Thing like what's?

508
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: Up? Oh, yeah, YEAH i Found uh the communication network

509
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: for fan groups is. Extensive they could probably teach intelligence

510
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: agencies a few things to be. Canted they, had Like

511
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: i'll never. Forget. UH i was spending some time In

512
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: koreatown In tokyo and we saw something kind of the same,

513
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: thing just sitting getting like A macha tea or some

514
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: or whatever kind of coffee house, confection and then all

515
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: of a, sudden there was this mob of people, with

516
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: as you, said very expensive professional grade telephoto lenses and

517
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: they were they were just they were waiting for these

518
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: people who literally just sort of like walked by. Nonchalantly

519
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: maybe one guy. Posed and it was nuts to see

520
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: that up. Close it was almost like it was almost

521
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: like how whale hunters or whale watchers must feel when

522
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: they're out in the boat and all of a, sudden

523
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: they see this enormous thing rising from the. Depths it's a, huge,

524
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: huge huge. Industry and you, know just to give some

525
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: numbers about how big this, is we were talking about this off.

526
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: Air the true financial, numbers especially for those big three,

527
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: studios are a little, squirrely at least in my. OPINION

528
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: i honestly think they're being. Underreported but you can find some.

529
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Estimates but as we're going to, learn those estimates leave

530
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: something to be. Desired we can talk about some specific

531
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: global milestones THAT k pop has. Reached you will call

532
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: the first YouTube video to reach one billion. Views everybody

533
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: remember what that one, Was Zi gangham. Style it was

534
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: the very same By, si who's interesting because he's not

535
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: like your TYPICAL k pop person in. Appearance but, yeah

536
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: he reached the billion, views and as we, record the

537
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: numbers continue to climb for just that one.

538
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 5: Video, well first of, all that must have had something

539
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: to do with the fact that was one of the

540
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 5: first ones to really hit big In.

541
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: AMERICA i think.

542
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: So, YEAH i, agree because.

543
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: It was huge In america and it was mainly because

544
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: it was just. Funny it was a, really really funny.

545
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: Video it was really brilliantly, produced with all the dance

546
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 5: moves and like all the crazy, pyrotechnics but it had

547
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 5: this tongue in cheekness to it THAT i think really

548
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: just hit at the time where like absurdist comedy was really,

549
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 5: big Like tim And eric and things like. That SO

550
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 5: i think that fascination with some of these you, know

551
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 5: culture phenomenons and being able to kind of glom onto

552
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 5: the sort of absurdity of it all really made it

553
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: go over the. Top because that was the first EVER

554
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 5: k pop thing THAT i was ever.

555
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: Really intimately familiar, with AND.

556
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 5: I don't know that there's ever been another one since

557
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 5: then THAT i was as familiar.

558
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: With well, here, YEAH i would, Agree but let's imagine really,

559
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: quickly how much is that? Worth a billion views on? That?

560
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: Now just from our experience on, YouTube you you, know

561
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: that's that's probably a fairly that's a nice chunk of,

562
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: money but you, know it's YouTube. Money it's you, know it's,

563
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: okay but that's not going to make anybody a millionaire.

564
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: Necessarily even if you did that a bunch of, times

565
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: you might get there. Eventually and then think about album sales,

566
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: now and let's say twenty twenty and even the twenty,

567
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: tens album sales aren't what they used to be because

568
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: streaming became such a, thing and you have to imagine

569
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: how much money is actually being generated by A si

570
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: or by the BIGGEST k pop band out there right?

571
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Now, ah interesting you say. THAT i would like to

572
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Quote spaceballs or any number Of Danny, DeVito Frank reynolds

573
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: subplots and Always sunny In. Philadelphia it's, merchandising you.

574
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: Know WHAT i.

575
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: Mean that's where a lot of the money is. Likely

576
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: that's a great, Point. Matt let's talk, turkey believe it or.

577
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Not as of twenty, nineteen a SINGLE k pop band

578
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: and let's, see fellow, listeners fully conspiracy, Realists let's see

579
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: if you can guess who it is while you're listening

580
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: along at, HOME a SINGLE k pop band is worth

581
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: an estimated four point six five billion DOLLARS. Us, wow

582
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: can you? GUESS i bet you guys already.

583
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: KNOW i think it's probably.

584
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: What is?

585
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: IT xo close it?

586
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: Is it is what appears to be a short grouping

587
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: Of english. Letters IT'S, bts the the elephant in the

588
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: room OF k pop whenever we talk about. IT bts

589
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: was also the FIRST k pop group to reach number

590
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: one on The billboard. Charts they also still hold the

591
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: record for the best selling album in all Of South

592
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: korean history from like since the first album came out

593
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: In South korea.

594
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: Ever wow, Wow you, KNOW i only learned about them

595
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: when they went On Saturday Night. Live but they were

596
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: pretty great. Performers that's ALL i really know about.

597
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: Them they're a little bit. DIFFERENT k pop fans have

598
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: assured me because in a lot of in a lot of,

599
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: performances you might hear that some kpop bands are lip

600
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: syncing their, songs BUT bts is famous for always actually

601
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: singing the. Songs and you know, what even if you're

602
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: not a you gotta respect the. Hustle you got to

603
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: respect those dance. Moves those guys have it on. Lock

604
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: they're on point. Now they also performed live in front

605
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: of a million people in person In Times square In

606
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: december twenty, nineteen ringing in The New, year and one

607
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: billion other people tuned in via. Television those numbers are.

608
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Insane we could dedicate an entire podcast, series not just the,

609
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,959
Speaker 1: show a series to k pop, alone and doubtlessly many

610
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: other podcasts, Have but we just wanted to articulate the broad.

611
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Strokes we wanted to give you the lay of the.

612
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: LAND k pop is, successful it's, huge it is a

613
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: global economic force all its. Own but we would be

614
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't have just like a little fun with.

615
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: This so we've Named we've NAMED, Xo we've NAMED, ci

616
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: we've NAMED, bts and we've named the you, know the

617
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: group that made the FIRST k pop appearance back there In.

618
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: April but let's, See, matt you found you found some

619
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: other names that you wanted to share with.

620
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: Us huh, yeah let's do. THIS i just looked up

621
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: a couple lists of what would be considered the top

622
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: selling or most POPULAR k pop groups that are out

623
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: there right now as OF i think seven days. Ago uh,

624
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: so here here's Some Black Pink got, Seven Stray kids

625
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: twice t Xt Red VELVET nct one twenty seven, Seventeen

626
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: Mama MoU icon with a k monst X AT's super

627
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: M Astro giddle or is it G.

628
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 3: IDYL i think it's G.

629
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: Idyl i'm Not i'm not the authority there.

630
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: Anyway there's A Ton Pentagon day SIX x one ONE

631
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: us ONE US A PINK xp. Edition there's just so.

632
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: Many, yeah there's so, many and you picked some great.

633
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: ONES i am sorry to inform all our fellow listeners

634
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: That Stray kids And twice are two different. Bands for some,

635
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: REASON i love the idea of a band that's just

636
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: Named Stray Kids twice.

637
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: Me.

638
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Too they're just So they're so. WONDERFUL i love all those.

639
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: Names it's so much. Fun it just feels like screen

640
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: names to, me weird.

641
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: Screens remember when everything used to be surrounded by like,

642
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 5: x's like lowercase LOWERCASE x than the UPPERCASE.

643
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: X it wasn't a straight edge thing for a.

644
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: While it was in some. Circles, yeah like people would you,

645
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: know people would draw x's or even tattoo x's on their.

646
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: Flesh this this is interesting because these, bands we have

647
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: to emphasize it's not just about the. Music there's the,

648
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: fashion there's the, tone there's a of, course the. Merchandising

649
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: but this is not all that kpop, is and it's

650
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: tragic and it's unfortunate that we have to say. That

651
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: it's the point of our episode today BECAUSE k pop

652
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: is not all cutting edge, fashion smiling teens and scads

653
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: of money minted from catchy love songs that are written to.

654
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Algorithm k, pop you, see has a dark, side and

655
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: we're diving in after a word from our. Sponsor here's

656
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: where it gets.

657
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah it turns out there's a very dark side

658
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: to this. Business and in a lot of, ways what

659
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about ahead reflects some of

660
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: the issues that we've talked about before in the music

661
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: industry just, globally as well as entertainment industries across the,

662
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: world especially In hollywood and in The United. States but

663
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: it's very own brand of dark. Side just a word

664
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: of warning coming. Up this will make some of you.

665
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable we're going to be talking about allegations of, abuse

666
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: sexual and. Otherwise just a word of, warning let's talk about.

667
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: It, yeah. Yep for the past several, years, decades, REALLY

668
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: k pop has encountered a number of scandals and then

669
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: a greater number of suppressed or hush hush scandals that

670
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: give lie to the squeaky clean image the bands and

671
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: their management work so hard to project to the outside.

672
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: World here are just a few we wanted to want

673
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: to isolate some broad categories of. Issues the first, okay

674
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: so we mentioned one band. ALONE bts is a multi

675
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: billion dollar industry by. Itself that's a very extreme, example

676
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: but there's there's no arguing that a lot of these

677
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: bands make a ton of. Money and that's our first.

678
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: Question that's our first. Issue who act actually gets that?

679
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Revenue who gets the? Money the answer might surprise.

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00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: You, yeah it's.

681
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: True and you, know we're gonna see some parallels with

682
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 5: this and the way artists are treated in The states,

683
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 5: too but this is a much.

684
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 3: More egregious version of.

685
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 5: This performers sign contracts that can last as long as fifteen.

686
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: Years that's. Insane we definitely don't see in terms of

687
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 5: that length in The United.

688
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 2: States and just to give you an idea of, that

689
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: the terms are somewhere between seven and fifteen, years the

690
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: ones that at Least i've come. Across and when you're

691
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 2: talking about a talent contract or something like, that, Terms,

692
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: yeah As nola is, saying that's an exorbitant amount of.

693
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: Time terms are usually in the year to you, know

694
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: a couple of, years five years maybe, maximum but that's a.

695
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 5: Lot, yeah that's essentially like signing away your adolescence to a.

696
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 5: Company and you, know and that goes along with the

697
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 5: profit ratios as. Well we're looking at eighty percent seeded

698
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 5: to the, company twenty to the, artists or ninety percent

699
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: of the company and ten percent to the. Artists so

700
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: it's like a almost like a form of indentured.

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00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: Servitude, absolutely and keep in mind that if you are

702
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: in a, group that figure is even worse for you

703
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: because that ten or twenty percent is typically going to

704
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: be split between you and all your band. Members, this

705
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: this is this is important because those seven to fifteen

706
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: year contracts aren't just like put out x amount of,

707
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: albums do live, shows is requested in, appearances they're they're

708
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: things like morality, clauses incredibly strict rules on your public,

709
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: interaction even your your private, interaction and this does function

710
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: at its worst as indentured. Servitude they've actually been called

711
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: slave contracts because it's meant to keep the performers entirely

712
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: dependent on their label. Owners because the way the way

713
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: that these groups are created is very, competitive and people

714
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: training in groups for just a chance to be in

715
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: A k pop. Outfit so you, know as an individual

716
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: performer in many cases that if you don't toe the,

717
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: line there are hundreds of people right behind you who

718
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: will jump at an even worse deal and.

719
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: Just to really expand on that for a. Second and

720
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 2: a lot of the reporting about, this AND i don't

721
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: know the full reality of, it but certainly from the,

722
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: reporting the training that occurs just to essentially be auditioned

723
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: at some point or to be like a stand in

724
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: to get into one of these groups if a member

725
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: leaves or. Something you are training for literally ten years

726
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: before you become a member of one of these major.

727
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: Groups if you're going through some of the big you,

728
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: know the big schools essentially the k pop schools that

729
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: exist out, there.

730
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 5: Well the wait that means they're starting you off when

731
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: you're very very, young RIGHT a lot of times other

732
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 5: times the ages range pretty extensively.

733
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: There BUT i would, say, yes starting out young and

734
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: going through the system to then hopefully one day get

735
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: one of those. Contracts and when you get into a.

736
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: GROUP i don't know if you've noticed, this but the

737
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: k pop groups range from two people to generally about

738
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: five to seven people and go up to in the dozen,

739
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: dozen like literally a dozen.

740
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 3: People in one.

741
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: Group and we're talking about splitting that, money you, know

742
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: twenty percent to maybe ten. Percent that's so, Intense, Ben.

743
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah and it depends on what the you, know is

744
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: that ten or twenty percent that stated on, paper is

745
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: that the actual percentage of the hall h color me

746
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: skeptical or colored me. Cenical but here's another thing about

747
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: that age range. Question, yes starting early is advantageous because

748
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: there is one big difference between this type of music

749
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: industry and the pop industry here in The United. States

750
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: there are many, differences but here's what a lot of

751
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: people don't think. About these groups often have kind of

752
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: hardwired expiration dates or breakup. Dates because The republic Of,

753
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: Korea South korea has mandatory military. Service that means that

754
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: you are already on a ticking clock leading up to

755
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: the time in which you must, enlist and that means

756
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: that you have a very limited window of time to

757
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: make it. Big and you also don't have a huge

758
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to fight back against this system if you if

759
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: you want, to you, know get better representation or make

760
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: things better for. Performers, overall you're it's brilliant in the

761
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: way that it has been. Calculated but, unfortunately like that's,

762
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: bad that's. Terrible but you, know we can't cast too

763
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: much dispersion because that's the music industry across the. World

764
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: the world Over there's another which is unfortunately shared with

765
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: many other countries music, industries and that is sexual. Abuse

766
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: sexual abuse in a couple of different. Ways one of

767
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: the most famous examples is something called The Burning sun.

768
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: Scandal this happened about a year ago this. Month there

769
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: were several MALE k pop, stars including a guy Named

770
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: sungri and again we don't speak kreat here's what you

771
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: need to know about. Him he was a member of

772
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: a boy band Named Big, bang and he and one

773
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: of his, Associates he and a couple of his, associates

774
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: a former member of a group called Ft, island and

775
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: a singer and songwriter Called Jung Jun, yung were implicated

776
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: in a spycam sexual abuse. Scandal the songwriter was sharing

777
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: videos of women filmed without their consents in a group.

778
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Chat and when we say without their, consent this isn't you,

779
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: know this is all, Terrible but it's not like they.

780
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: Were they weren't just filming people naked or exposed without their.

781
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: Consent they were filming gang sexual assault on women who

782
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: had been, drugged women who had been plied with drink

783
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: and were unconscious or. Unresponsive this is demonic. Stuff and then,

784
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: yeah and then it turns out it's Called Burning sun

785
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: scandal Because sungri had ties to a nightclub Called Burning,

786
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: sun and that's where a lot of this sexual assault took.

787
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: Place the three men involved got five and six year prison.

788
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: Sentences but the controversy there, is first, off is that

789
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: a fair, sentence you, know were the was there a

790
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: massive popularity somehow swaying the public toward giving them a lighter,

791
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: Sentence and that that leads us to something else, too

792
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: which is that they're they're proving cases WHERE k pop

793
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: stars have been more or less forced to sleep with

794
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: powerful people in the, industry either to advance their own,

795
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: career they're sleeping with someone in a position of, power

796
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: or a person in position of power tells them to

797
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: go sleep with someone else and they're sent. Out is

798
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: this this has forced sex work and it. Happens it's. Happening.

799
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah according TO Bbc, news this is an issue that

800
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 2: runs pretty rampant within the. Industry where are the where

801
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: there are these clubs Like Burning sun that exist all

802
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: over the, place where THE k pop stars will go

803
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: to to make appearances in those kinds of, things and

804
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: then because of those, contracts there's this pressure that's felt

805
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: to just go and do whatever you are told to,

806
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: do and oftentimes it is exactly what been.

807
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 3: Described, again THAT'S Bbc.

808
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: News that's not you, know some other reporting agency that

809
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: you know is fairly unknown making. Allegations this IS Bbc

810
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: news actually doing some some digging into this.

811
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: And this this tragic, situation combined with the terrible issues

812
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: with the contracts and the financial, uh the opportunity for financial,

813
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: corruption those two alone would be enough to be a horrific.

814
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Episode but it doesn't stop. There there's something there are

815
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: a couple of other things we need to talk.

816
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 5: About, YEAH i, mean think about what it must feel

817
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 5: like to be kind of bred almost to be this

818
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 5: squeaky clean image not only that you, know of pop

819
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 5: music and of, like you, know good, times but very

820
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 5: very g rated kind of uh and also sort of

821
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 5: an ambassador for your. Country there were some, folks men

822
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 5: and women alive who have just buckled under the strain

823
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 5: of these brutal, schedules rehearsal regiments and just the. Expectation

824
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: we've got a story About Kim jong, hun who's twenty,

825
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 5: seven who was a member Of. Shini he took his

826
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 5: own life in twenty seventeen after talking about how intense

827
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 5: this pressure. Was and of, course you, know you think

828
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 5: of people having extreme success and everything being easy, street

829
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 5: but think about the pressure and anxiety of losing, everything

830
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 5: And i'm sure this is something that we've seen is

831
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 5: wielded by some of those, handlers, Right and then we've

832
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 5: got another one In october of twenty.

833
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: Nineteen, yes this In october twenty, Nineteen suley twenty five year.

834
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: Old she's a former member of the girl group F.

835
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 3: X she also took her own.

836
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: Life and then just a month, later woman Named, kuhara

837
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: who was in a group Called kara and then she

838
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: was also a solo, performer she took her own life

839
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: and she actually was a close friend Of. Sulee so

840
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: the two of them in two months twenty five and

841
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: twenty eight both took their.

842
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: Lives, tragedy, tragedy and they're they're not the only examples

843
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: you can, see you, know to your, point now you

844
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: can see how unsustainable and demanding it could be to

845
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: to literally have this contract that says you have to be.

846
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Perfect you, know you can't do a lot of the

847
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: things that normal kids do when they're, teenagers are in their,

848
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: twenties you, know like, dating maybe having a long term,

849
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: relationship maybe even pursuing. Kids you have to be this

850
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, advertisement you, know and that's just

851
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: not how people are built to live.

852
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: Well and if you're a, female you also have to

853
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: essentially starve, yourself especially in this, system because there's a

854
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 2: there's reporting on, this and it's just to keep that ideal.

855
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 2: Image it's not you, know not only the ideal image

856
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: outwardly as far as your, actions it's what you look.

857
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: Like and there's also a massive problem with plastic surgery

858
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: where young people are getting plastic surgery to look a

859
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: very specific way.

860
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: To meet these.

861
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: Standards and there are several, alleged let's, say cases where

862
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: that plastic surgery was not the choice of the, individual

863
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: it was the choice of the you, know the controlling

864
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: members of that the, group the company.

865
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: Essentially, oh AND i want to point out one thing

866
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: that many of us might not know is That South

867
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: korea actually has the highest rate of plastic surgery per

868
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: capita in the, world and the most popular surgeries are

869
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: things like skin, whitening those jobs and double it's called

870
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: double eyelid. Surgery that's where you're change the state of

871
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: your epicanthic, fold and it's all to make these people

872
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: more closely resemble this kind of idealized physical, image you

873
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: know WHAT i, mean even if it's.

874
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: Unrealistic And, BEN i wanted to bring this up because

875
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: we're touching on it, Here, noel you're talking about kind

876
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: of that g rated lifestyle or you, know that state

877
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: of perfection where you can't be seen to be doing

878
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: anything wrong in, public, right and yet the both males

879
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: but especially females IN k pop are overtly, sexualized like

880
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: so overtly.

881
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: Sexualized and that's.

882
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: Not completely across the, board BUT i would estimate ninety

883
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: percent of the groups are overly, sexualized both in you,

884
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: know clothing that's being worn and in choreography especially and

885
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: the way that they are seen by the, camera you,

886
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: know the gaze of the. Camera so there's this kind

887
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: OF i don't know what you call, it this balancing

888
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: act there between these perfect g rated. People but then

889
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: also like the way they're.

890
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 5: Portrayed you're absolutely right now you see WHAT i was

891
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 5: getting at, though, Right like it's almost like there's this

892
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 5: squeaky clean, image like the sexualization is almost, innuendo you

893
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 5: know WHAT i. Mean like you would never actually think

894
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 5: of them having sex or being sexual beings who are in.

895
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 5: Control they're just. Objects they're sort of like anime characters

896
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 5: or something like that that are kind of trotted out

897
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 5: and there's no humanity to, them you, know that's the

898
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 5: way they're.

899
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: Portrayed kind. Of, YEAH i guess.

900
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 2: SO i think it's just it reminds me of somebody

901
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: Like Britney spears that had that similar. Thing like if

902
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: you remember when she was first becoming, popular and she's

903
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: portrayed as this schoolgirl in this very innocent way and

904
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: yet hyper.

905
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 3: Sexualized it's just.

906
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: It's just we you, know we're talking about all these issues,

907
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: here and you can just almost feel how the portrayal on.

908
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 2: CAMERA i think a lot of times ends up being

909
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 2: one of these major issues where there's a disconnect between

910
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: what's being seen by the end user somebody at their,

911
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: house you, know watching one of these. Videos there's such

912
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: a disconnect between that image that's being seen and then

913
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: the actual human being that is attempting to function within this.

914
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: System, absolutely NOW i completely agree with.

915
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: You, yeah, yeah, SAME i think we're all in agreement. Here,

916
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: one you, know one terrifying aspect of this we have

917
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: to point out is you don't see this talked about as,

918
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: much but our neurological research proves that a person in

919
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: this age, range oftentimes their brain is still. Developing so

920
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: being in this kind of situation can have lasting effects

921
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: on you, know on the structure of your, mind WHICH

922
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: i know sounds, crazy but it is. True i'm not being.

923
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: Hyperbolic there's there's one last thing we should also talk,

924
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: about and that's privacy violations IN k pop and, abroad

925
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: because according to several social critics and columnists and, researchers this,

926
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: sexism this misogyny that these, stars female stars in, particular

927
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: but also male's, face is a symptom of a larger

928
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: problem in. Society there's one researcher that really stood. Out

929
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: Man O, lee is A k pop, columnist and specifically

930
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: talking about the problems that FEMALE k pop stars, Face

931
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Mano lee says the following. QUOTE a lot Of korean

932
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: women can relate to the issues that female celebrities deal.

933
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: With they have experienced it. Themselves, many she, says feel

934
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: unsafe due to the pervasiveness OF MOLCA, lka gender based

935
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: violence and victim, shaming AND molca is. Weird it's a.

936
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: Portmanteau it comes from Two korean words, mole which Is

937
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: korean for, secret and, ka which is the word for,

938
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: Camera and so molca means the illegal filming of. Women

939
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: and it is a huge.

940
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 5: Problem AND i mean this doesn't pass. UNNOTICED i mean

941
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 5: there's been widespread outrage over this spycam. Epidemic in twenty,

942
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 5: eighteen almost sixty eight hundred cases of hidden camera crimes

943
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 5: were reported in The Supreme Prosecutor's, office and in some

944
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 5: cases camera were actually hidden in women's public toilets and

945
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 5: also motel. Rooms others involved things like filming and sharing

946
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 5: videos of women that had been taken by their partners

947
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 5: and former. Partners it's almost like revenge porn kind of

948
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 5: stuff that we think of in The, states, Right, yeah.

949
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: Exactly there's one other THING i want to, add JUST

950
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: i don't know if people have heard about. THIS i

951
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: don't know how widely this is being reported in THE,

952
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: us BUT i came across this WHEN i was doing

953
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: This Strange news daily. Show there was recently a huge

954
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: scandal related to this is based on something called the

955
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,959
Speaker 1: in th room in th h and don't don't dive into.

956
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: It unless you have a strong. Stomach but essentially what

957
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: happened is a group of, terrible terrible dudes started, blackmailing blackmailing,

958
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: women several of whom were miners In South, korea and

959
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: forcing them to film themselves doing very dehumanizing things up

960
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: to and including self, harm sexual, assault and, incest and

961
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: then charging arging other people uh to like they call

962
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: them tickets to go into the messaging group, telegram go

963
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: into what they call these in th rooms and watch these. Videos.

964
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: Uh the main one of the main guys got. Caught.

965
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: Uh several of the other ones are still out. There

966
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: and one of the big conversations In South korea now

967
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: is about prosecuting the, people the thousands of people who

968
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: paid to watch these horrible. Things that story is. Ongoing

969
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: we don't have an, answer but that just shows us that, this,

970
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: uh This, malka this this illicit filming epidemic is. Huge

971
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: it's it's bigger THAN k pop and you, know not

972
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things, are but there is so there

973
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: is just so much disturbing and dark stuff. Here this

974
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: is just scratching the, surface you, Know and and remember

975
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: we're talking about a profoundly powerful. Industry this is one

976
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: that is more than capable in many cases of protecting

977
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: its Own you know WHAT i, mean how much would

978
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: an UNSCRUPULOUS u mover and shaker in this industry get away?

979
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: With you could SCAPE k pop stars all? Along but

980
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: where where are the big names going? Down you know

981
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: WHAT i?

982
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 5: Mean, well and they certainly haven't had their me.

983
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: Too movement yet over, there you know WHAT i. Mean,

984
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: well it's happening right, Now, yeah it really. Is it's

985
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: beginning to, happen and the the Nth room case is

986
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: one of the big. Things there are a lot of

987
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: students that are speaking out. Now who are you, know

988
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: the train the, trainees the ones going in doing that

989
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: like ten year stint right that we were talking. About

990
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: there have been several groups who have stood up and, said,

991
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: hey uh we these there are allegations of sexual, abuse

992
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: allegations of physical, abuse and they're just coming forward and

993
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: trying to get support while still existing in this rigid.

994
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: System it is a.

995
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: Shame and you, know this is where we leave off

996
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: on today's, episode but we have to be. Fair, CURRENTLY

997
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: k pop continues to. Grow people love, it and heck they.

998
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: Should you, know it's. Catchy it's a lot of. Fun

999
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: you know the. Music if you're just listening to music

1000
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: and you're a, kid you know it's stuff you can dance.

1001
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: To and this is also, absolutely absolutely not to imply

1002
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: THAT k pop itself is rotten to the. Core there

1003
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: are hundreds of thousands of people who are working, ardently day,

1004
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: in day, out and honestly to make it in this.

1005
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: Industry we all know entertainment's brutal. Industry and, yes there

1006
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: is a great deal of disturbing behavior under the surface

1007
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: or behind the, curtain or whatever phrase you want to.

1008
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Use people in power are leveraging their authority to force

1009
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: performers to commit sex, acts to force them to live

1010
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: in virtual, poverty driving them to sue US i probably not,

1011
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: purposely but still driving them the suicide and. More but

1012
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: to that point at the like near the top of the,

1013
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: show the music industry is the music industry is the music, industry.

1014
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: So it's the entertainment, industry, Right.

1015
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: So we have to warn anyone who's too quick to

1016
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: Criticize South korea's. Industry lest you be quick to hop

1017
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: on a high. Horse remember many many entertainment industries across

1018
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: the world are in a glasshouse. Situation you know WHAT i,

1019
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: mean we have to look at our, own our own music.

1020
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: INDUSTRIES i, Mean god knows the stories from THE us

1021
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: music industry, alone you know WHAT i. Mean there's there

1022
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: aren't enough trees to make the pages we would need

1023
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: to write down those. Scandals for. Instance you, know we've

1024
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: even got a podcasts on our network that's dedicated entirely

1025
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: to this is Called. Disgraceland do you want to tell us

1026
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: a little about?

1027
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 4: It?

1028
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure it's it's a show hosted by a really

1029
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 5: talented writer producer Named Jake, brennan and every episode is

1030
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 5: just about you, know musicians doing terrible things getting caught

1031
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 5: up in, scandals largely of their own. Making so it's

1032
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 5: it's definitely an interesting. One you've got things everything from

1033
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 5: Uh Jerry Lee lewis murdering several of his wives and

1034
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 5: getting away with it, too you, Know Tupac shakoor, story

1035
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 5: uh to there's a rapper by the name Of Big

1036
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 5: lurch who ends up involved in some light cannibalism and

1037
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 5: and things like.

1038
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: That it's it's a it's a really interesting.

1039
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 5: Show and he's in the midst of season, FOUR i

1040
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 5: believe right, Now.

1041
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: Hey another new show you should be checking. Out is

1042
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: Called Strange News. Daily if you like this, show you're

1043
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna love this. One it's a it's a quick update

1044
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 2: on what's going on In Strange. News, ben you want

1045
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 2: to tell him about?

1046
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: It, yeah well until the until This house Of cards burns.

1047
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: Down.

1048
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah it's a, quick i'd say five to fifteen

1049
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: minute look daily update at some of the stories that

1050
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: haven't made the. News, like you, know it turned out

1051
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: that all The Dead sea scroll fragments in The museum

1052
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: of The bible are. Fake there are. Forgeries we talked.

1053
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: About updates that have happened really, quickly comes Out monday Through,

1054
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: friday available wherever you find your favorite. Shows and you,

1055
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: know we want to hear from you because we know

1056
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: there are statistically, speaking several of our fellow listeners have

1057
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: to BE k pop. Fans the industry is just that.

1058
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: Huge so we want to hear from. You what are

1059
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: some of your CRAZIEST k pop fan or anti fans?

1060
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: Stories what's your favorite group and? Why what allegations have you?

1061
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: Heard what do you think the future OF k pop?

1062
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 3: Is tell.

1063
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: Us you can find us On, facebook you can find

1064
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: us On, instagram you can find us On.

1065
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: Twitter, Yes we Are Conspiracy stuff On twitter And, Facebook

1066
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: Conspiracy Stuff show On. Instagram we have a phone. Number

1067
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 2: it is one eight three three st d w y T.

1068
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: K you can leave us a, message tell us what

1069
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: you think about this, episode give us suggestions for, others

1070
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 2: make us, laugh tell us something interesting about yourself or

1071
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: your Aunt. Judy whatever you want to, Do we're. Interested

1072
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: give us a.

1073
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,000
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