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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told your prodiction my Heart Radio. And welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of Happy Hour. As always, drink responsibly

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Speaker 1: if you choose to do so. Are you slipping on anything.

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Speaker 2: Smantha Water, I keep myself hat rated.

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Speaker 3: I'm sipping on warm beer. No warm beer, we are.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we weren't able Samantha and I to work out

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Speaker 1: our vacation dates at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Nope.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a bit of a scramble covering the content.

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Speaker 1: So this one is going to be kind of a

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Speaker 1: shorter one.

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Speaker 3: I think. Who knows. I did want to started This

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Speaker 3: was a bit all over the place.

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Speaker 1: It's stuff that I cut from my previous Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: on gay animals.

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Speaker 3: Because that episode was.

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Speaker 1: Going a bit longer I didn't get to and because

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Speaker 1: Pride Month is coming to a close, I thought I

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Speaker 1: would talk about it. But speaking of gay animals, I

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Speaker 1: did want to mention some thoughts some people wrote in

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Speaker 1: about that one. Yeah, so first of all, Michelle reminded me,

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Speaker 1: I totally forgot about this, So if you haven't listened

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Speaker 1: to that episode, I was mostly I was lamenting the

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Speaker 1: facts that this documentary came out, which I still haven't seen,

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Speaker 1: but it was about like gay behavior in the animal kingdom,

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Speaker 1: and I was talking about I had experienced that the

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Speaker 1: backlash that came from conservatives about that documentary of that's

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Speaker 1: not natural. Animals don't do that a lot, and so

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Speaker 1: I was sort of lamenting that, and I was talking about,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should.

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Speaker 3: Compare. That shouldn't be like our benchmark, right.

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Speaker 1: But I said at the end, it's not that I

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Speaker 1: don't I'm not interested in that because I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: dork and I love nature and I love animals. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, please send in if you've got

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Speaker 1: your favorite clare behavior in the animal kingdom. So Michelle

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Speaker 1: reminded me there is the book and Tango Mix three.

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Speaker 1: two male penguins that came together and raised a young

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Speaker 1: penguin together. If I'm remembering correctly, this happened like in

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Speaker 1: New York Zoo, but it was like based on the

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Speaker 1: like real thing that happened. But here's the note for Michelle, Well,

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Speaker 1: you asked for our favorite gay activities among animals. I've

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Speaker 1: penguins raising children together. It's super sweet and if the

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Speaker 1: conservatives want to use animal activity to decide what should

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Speaker 1: be done, here's proof that two men can raise a

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately this is one of the most banned books,

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Speaker 1: of course, But that was really interesting in contrast with

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Speaker 1: a message we got from Lena, who brought up this

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Speaker 1: undergrad wherein we looked at how physical anatomy influenced different

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Speaker 1: animal kingdom behaves when it's getting it's frisky on seems

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Speaker 1: really unsettling to me too. I've also heard a different

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Speaker 1: religious folks make the argument that because same sex behavior

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Speaker 1: happens in the animal world, that humans shouldn't emulate it

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Speaker 1: because God put us in charge of all the animals,

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Speaker 1: and since we are above them and the eyes of God,

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Speaker 1: we can't possibly be gay because of that. It's all

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Speaker 1: very bend over backwards to uphold the bigotry.

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Speaker 1: I had never heard that, but when you say that,

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Speaker 1: that makes complete sense to me that people use that argument.

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Speaker 1: And it is fascinating how as you say clearly either

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Speaker 2: And I'm definitely hearted as like, you're not an animal,

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Speaker 1: Like it just feels that as I said in that episode,

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Speaker 2: This goes back to what we've talked about many times

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Speaker 2: But then you're like all these other things like but

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Speaker 2: ignorant and naive, like they can't raise children, they can't

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Speaker 2: be expected to clean anything because they're not they don't

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Speaker 2: know how to do that, like this level, Like but

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Speaker 2: then which one is it? And then it's that same

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Speaker 2: conversation of like, yeah, but you're saying it's because of

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Speaker 2: of that they should be doing this, But yet you're

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Speaker 2: using both like you're straddling the fence once again, and

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Speaker 1: like the the raising of children, because in at least

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Speaker 1: as it still is. We've talked about it many times,

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Speaker 1: like women do that.

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Speaker 1: I guess I should say Western US like a modernized society.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because we've talked about now indigenous people

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Speaker 2: Right, but they can do this other thing that's way

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Speaker 1: You're like that, it's how many times have we heard

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Speaker 1: the like religious man cheats on his wife. But but

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Speaker 1: that was like temptation or his like proclivity of just

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Speaker 1: Just to keep the patriarchy in place. Whichever story you're

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm glad thanks to both of those listeners,

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Speaker 2: I know it's been around, but Keith makes me go

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Speaker 2: back to the Parks and Wreck episode which you don't

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Speaker 2: a penguin wedding. It turns out that they're both male.

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Speaker 2: Everybody gets in arms and they're like, you are you know,

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Speaker 2: promoting homosexuality and all these things, and they're like, they

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Speaker 3: Right. Oh my gosh, I totally forgot about that.

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Speaker 2: I always I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like we just did we just recorded an

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Speaker 3: most absurd conversion therapy for animals.

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Speaker 2: Like good luck with that. Have fun with this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do feel like there's a third thing,

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Speaker 1: which is probably the most accurate, but it's still weaponized

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Speaker 1: sometimes where it's it's like, yeah, I like the animal

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say about it.

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Speaker 2: That's just a whole little conversation about dominance and my

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Speaker 2: I think it's just a regurgitation because it comes back

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Speaker 3: So need for this?

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Speaker 2: It's unnecessary.

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Speaker 1: It is really unnecessary that. And Tango Makes Three is

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Speaker 1: a very nice book. Yeah, it's very lovely.

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