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Speaker 1: Welcome to Monday's edition, a Big Blue kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on giants dot com. He has pulled the Tina on

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Speaker 1: Lance men O. Good to be with you for the

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Speaker 1: next sixty minutes. Two zero one five one three is

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Speaker 1: the telephone number hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. So the

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Speaker 1: full off season mode has now ignited once again. This

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Speaker 1: is yes, so I can tell you're extremely extremely Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sinking like a stone. The energy level. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a rough five six weeks, Paul, it is.

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Speaker 1: I hope you can hang in there with the raises.

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Speaker 1: I dread this part of the calendar, I really do.

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Speaker 1: It's painful for me. Well, before you know it, the

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Speaker 1: end of July will arrive and training camp will come.

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Speaker 1: In preseason, we'll have plenty to talk about and we'll

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Speaker 1: be able to break down the roster. But Thursday of

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Speaker 1: last week was the last day of mandatory minicamp, so

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Speaker 1: the players are now on their little Vauca before they regroup,

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer addressed the media. He gave his message to

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Speaker 1: the team, nothing new, nothing unique compared to previous seasons.

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Speaker 1: But over the next few weeks, we are going to

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Speaker 1: preview all of the upcoming Giants opponents, so stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for that. Was still gonna have plenty of content to

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Speaker 1: go over, and we're making a substantive discussion over the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks. Today, we want to focus on an

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Speaker 1: interesting article up on NFL dot com, and obviously, if

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Speaker 1: you want to weigh in and just about anything, feel

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Speaker 1: free to give us a call at two zero one

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Speaker 1: nine four five one three. But there was an article

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Speaker 1: that Elliot Harrison of NFL dot com put together, and

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Speaker 1: he made the premise of this article the all under

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Speaker 1: twenty five team, where he looked across the NFL players

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Speaker 1: that will be under twenty five at the start of

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen season. Okay, so it's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: the birth day. In the mathematics, you gotta be under

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Speaker 1: twenty five started the two thousand eighteen season. And he

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Speaker 1: put together a legitimate team, meaning he put together five

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman, a running back, a tight end, and so forth.

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Speaker 1: And there are two Giants on this team, and that

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Speaker 1: got us thinking about young players on the Giants roster

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Speaker 1: that have a tremendous amount of upside. Now, the two

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Speaker 1: players on his team or Evan Ingram made the tight

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Speaker 1: end position, in Landon Collins is one of the two safeties.

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Speaker 1: So we want to focus on the two Giants players.

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Speaker 1: If you have any other thoughts on other young players

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Speaker 1: who maybe under to start this season, I think those

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Speaker 1: are two very strong candidates when you think about players

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Speaker 1: that are gonna be underwent during this season. Evan Ingram

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Speaker 1: an impressive rookie campaign and Landon Collins has been a

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Speaker 1: guy that's consistently made the Pro Bowl over the last

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Speaker 1: few years. You know, when you mentioned this to me

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought Dalvlin Tomlinson for me, would be

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Speaker 1: a guy I would seriously consider um. In fact, you

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Speaker 1: guys know that. Uh you know I do credit data

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Speaker 1: collection to the PFF and analytics folks, and I think

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Speaker 1: I just saw the other day Thelin Tomlinson was the

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Speaker 1: leading rookie in terms of defensive tackle run stops in

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Speaker 1: the league last year. He was really good. Well, he

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Speaker 1: just didn't get a lot of credit because the sax

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Speaker 1: warry there and also doesn't get a lot of right,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say he also plays next to a

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Speaker 1: a run gobbler, if you will, and Snacks Harrison, who

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Speaker 1: way that anybody next to Snacks is going to get

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Speaker 1: I get that both literally and figuring. So I think

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Speaker 1: Tomlinson is a vastly underrated player who I know Snacks

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Speaker 1: have a breakout monster year, that is Tomlinson, And so

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Speaker 1: I could certainly make a good case for him as

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Speaker 1: an under twenty five guy who I would want on

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Speaker 1: most defensive tackles get overlooked. Paul, Well, they don't have

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Speaker 1: the sack numbers. Let's face it, mean Lynnville Joseph was

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's a lot of different movable factors

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Speaker 1: And the reason is, and I think Dan Solomon, our producer,

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Speaker 1: a compliment to him that we would overlook him on

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Speaker 1: safeties on the Giants, I mean, he's the veteran voice

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Speaker 1: certainly looking forward to seeing him be very vocal as

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Speaker 1: and it's clear Landon Collins is going to be a

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Speaker 1: Now Harrison's breakdown of Landed Collins. Just the rationalist to

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Speaker 1: why he put him in this group, he said, Collins

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Speaker 1: at twenty four years old. His two thousand sixteen campaign

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Speaker 1: He's been a guy that had played all sixteen games.

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Speaker 1: I'm in your Pennsylvan. Going back to his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: because the Giants didn't have other options, But the bottom

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Speaker 1: his production has been his turnover rate. Never been time

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Speaker 1: statement that James Betcher made last week when he spoke

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Speaker 1: that's where he's most effective. He's more like Antonio appears

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Speaker 1: gonna lead this group and touchdowns, because if you think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have the overwhelming amount of targets, then it's

430
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Speaker 1: natural to think that's gonna give him the most opportunities

431
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Speaker 1: to get into the end zone. The interesting play here

432
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: is out of this group, who would be second in

433
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: targets Because Barkley, we agree, is going to have a

434
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: role in the passing game and have an Ingram. You

435
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: can see his role continuing to grow. Yes, boy, that's

436
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: a really good one because I think we would agreet

437
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: Stewart's four on this list. Stewart's gonna be the fourth

438
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: guy in terms of targets. Yeah, but here was the thing.

439
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: In terms of targets, Barkley is an impossible matchup. Now

440
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: that's not to say Ingram is not a very talented player,

441
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: and he does. You know, he's a problem for the defense,

442
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: But you've got a better chance of putting his safety

443
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 1: on him, or even a nickel back on him, then

444
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: you do Barkley. Barkley is not gonna be fun for

445
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: anybody to cover. Okay, let's just make that very clear.

446
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: He's a nightmare and and he will be the checkdown.

447
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna be that third option that checkdown option. That's

448
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: safety valve security. So you know there'll be times when

449
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: he lies looking for his first, second, and third guys

450
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: to throw too, and he can't do it. And Barkley,

451
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: by default, even though the play may not be designed

452
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: for him, he's going to get a lot of targets

453
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: his way just because the other guys might might not

454
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: be open. So I think Barkley probably is going to

455
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Speaker 1: get the second amount of targets, second most amount of targets.

456
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Speaker 1: Chris Jim McCaffrey, to me, is an interest in comparison

457
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: just given his versatility, So I'm bringing up his numbers

458
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: once again. I would be very surprised if Barkley matches

459
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: these numbers. Christian McCaffrey had eighty receptions last season. Paul

460
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: won't have eighty, Okay, I could see him having fifty

461
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: five to sixty though, Okay, I could see. I don't

462
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: think that's crazy, but McCaffrey had eighty receptions on a

463
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: hundred thirteen targets, just pretty good last time. And not

464
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: only that, one hundred thirteen targets was number one on

465
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Speaker 1: the team, is actually tied for first. Devin Funchius also

466
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: one hundred thirteen. Now this is I know what the

467
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: counter argument's gonna be. Well, the Panthers didn't have anywhere

468
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: near O'Dell Beckham or maybe even Sterling, Sharp and Shepherd,

469
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: excuse me, and Kelvin Benjamin, if you recall, was traded

470
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: away at the deadline to Buffalo. So I agree with

471
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: that perspective. I understand they didn't necessarily have a prominent

472
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver. It's natural to think McCaffrey is going to

473
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Speaker 1: get the majority of the targets. But if McCaffrey is

474
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Speaker 1: the number one guy, eighty receptions is unreal. It's a lot.

475
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: So I don't care about the dynamics of the team.

476
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: Eight is just I mean that number immediately jumps off

477
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: the page. The next closest total in terms of receptions

478
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: last season for the Panthers, Paul was functious. He had

479
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Speaker 1: sixty three. So McCaffrey still had seventeen more then the

480
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: next closest guy. That's a lot. That is a lot.

481
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: Would be absolutely stunned if Barkley gets those numbers. Final

482
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: thought from Twitter, and then I want you to get

483
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: to the falls. Uh Parunga Salzer wants to know if

484
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cassie is still a free agent. Yes, the outside

485
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: linebacker is a free agent right now. I have not

486
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: seen Jonathan for quite a while, so I don't even

487
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: know what his plans are, whether or not he's decided

488
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: that he's had enough and after all, he's had a

489
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: y is a free agent, and I could see him

490
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: being a guy that a team maybe adds right before

491
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: training camp or waits to see if there's an injury

492
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: that occurs, that type of thing. He was a co

493
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: captain here, so you know, he's a good locker room guy.

494
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: I think that pretty much accepted that he will add

495
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: something to a team now. Whether or not he wants

496
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: to play, wants to be a role player or a

497
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: backup for somebody, Uh, those are questions that only he

498
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: can answer. And I, like I said, I have not

499
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: talked to him. It would not surprise me if New

500
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: England comes calling again. You know, he's the type of

501
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: player that should think, right Belichick of the Patriots they

502
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: want to revisit given the fact that he's familiar somewhat

503
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: with the team. He's got a couple of rings too. Yeah,

504
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't surprise me if you know a team

505
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: like that adds him into the mix later on. All right,

506
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Speaker 1: let's at the phone lines two zero, folks, Lloyd is

507
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, Lloyd, what's happening? Good, good afternoon, Just thanks

508
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: for having me on. UM wanted to talk about the

509
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: running game comparatively the last year and also the defense. UM.

510
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: The running game last year, I think I called him

511
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: before and I think I talked about this a little bit.

512
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: You might remember it, but it seemed like coach McAdoo

513
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: didn't have a thorough game plan as far as the

514
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: run and the offensive line set up. Everything was geared

515
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: towards the past. UM. This year, I think it's gonna

516
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: be a little bit different. But my expectation is because

517
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: we will be a little bit less predictable than running

518
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: the ball, will have more success on the ground keeping

519
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: the defense off the field. Like between our punner having

520
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: a bad year and our offensive running the ball and

521
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: managing the clock UM efficiently, it put our defense in

522
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: UM the worst possible shape, and as soon as B. J.

523
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: Goodson went down, it was an issue. So we didn't

524
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: have a run thumper, run stopping middle linebacker anymore, and

525
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: it just seemed like it was going to be a problem.

526
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: And as a result, it looked to me like our

527
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: record reflected what was lacking in the running game and

528
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: our defense our defensive ranking also reflected what was lacking

529
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Speaker 1: in the running game. Does that job well, you have

530
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: to understand, h um. You know Rich Burgh was a

531
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: better pass blocking center than a run blocking center, Jerry

532
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: a better pass blocking guard than a run blocking guard.

533
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: We know that Bobby Hart had troubles, you know, really

534
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: getting his act together during the course of the season.

535
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: We know that Eric Flowers, even though you know he's

536
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: been much maligned, actually did a decent job in pass

537
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: protection last year and had more troubles in the run game.

538
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: So if you're calling plays and you know that your

539
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: offensive line is much more proficient at pass blocking, that's

540
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: the way you're going to lean. So while I agree

541
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: with you it taste, there's certain tins forward to be

542
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: that way. And I think the Giants offensive line this

543
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: year projects to be a much better run blocking offensive

544
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: line than they've had here in years past, and that

545
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: in itself should make them a more balanced attack, especially

546
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: when you consider that Shermer with the Vikings last year

547
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: was the most balanced of any of the offenses in

548
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Speaker 1: the league. Well, can I make a case for something

549
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: before you let me go? So the year before eleven wins,

550
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: um and this year um well not yea, the year

551
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: before we had eleven wins. This year we have we

552
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: had three. Is it sae to say that all of

553
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: the things that happened, any injuries included that we were

554
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: really not as bad a team as our record indicated.

555
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: And you know, let's say, if we if we could

556
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: flex our record out to project um uh, the talent

557
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: that we actually have on a team last year, wouldn't

558
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: you say that they were at least a six or

559
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: seven win team. Yeah, I think that's fair And and

560
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, you know, things kind of

561
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: fell apart there towards the end of the season because

562
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: it was just kind of smiling out of control. But

563
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: I think if you consider the Giants roster, I think

564
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: I think they were the equivalent of what a six

565
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: and ten team probably would be, or what it would

566
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: look like. They did not look like a three win

567
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: team in the middle of the season when you looked

568
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: at that starting lineup on both sides of the ball.

569
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: This this was not a bottom of the barrel team. Now,

570
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: of course, the injuries continued to pile up, and by

571
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: the end of the season they were bringing guys in

572
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: from everywhere, including your neighborhood bowling. Ally, I mean they

573
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: got really tough the exactly, especially in the secondary. I

574
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: mean it was just who's who ever every weekend. But

575
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: I do agree with you. I think it was a

576
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: much closer to being a six win team when they were,

577
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, relatively healthy than a three win team, which

578
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: means if you believe that they've only got to jump

579
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: another three wins or so to be in the conversation, Listen,

580
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: the other thing you gotta take the consideration, though, Lloyd,

581
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: is I first shy away from comparing seasons because change

582
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: a lot, and the other thing is two thousand six team,

583
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: which your reference. I will continue to say this, and

584
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: I'll sound like a broken record. If you go back

585
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: to the sixteen season, you have to understand they want

586
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: a lot of close games, games that could have easily

587
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: went the other way. Now that that doesn't mean that

588
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: they didn't earn the eleven victories, that's not my point,

589
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: but it wasn't an eleven win dominant team. They weren't

590
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: blowing everybody out by ten to fifteen points. Where you

591
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, I mean this is the top caliber

592
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: of double digit victory teams. They were a team that

593
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: easily could have won seven and nine. If I go

594
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: back and I look at four games and I say

595
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: the ball doesn't bounce their way, maybe it doesn't necessarily

596
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: truly come to fruition in the NFL. Well, there's a

597
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: lot of float their record by two or three wins

598
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: in any given season simply by the way the ball bounced.

599
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: That's what you get with party. Well, that's why I

600
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: think it's easy to make the case if you look

601
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: at the three wins last year. Yeah, I mean it's

602
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: not that much of a stretch to say all those

603
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: close games that were played early in the season when

604
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: they got off to that slow start. If to get

605
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: a defensive stop against the Eagles, maybe you go to

606
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: overtime the Chargers, you don't fumble the ball with Eli

607
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: Manning that sets up online touchdown. Of course, I mean

608
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: we could have played the could have, would have, should

609
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: have games or everything, and you could say you give

610
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: them an extra three wins, or you take away as

611
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: is My point is the eleven win team in two

612
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: thousand six team was also very different from the makeup

613
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: of the two thousand seventeen team, and the team is

614
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: gonna be very different than the makeup of the seven.

615
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: It's not so simple to say, well, if you give

616
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: them three more victories, they're a little bit closer to

617
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: what the six team team looked like. I guess he's

618
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: my big point here right this year from a talent

619
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate the phone. It is a very difficult schedule

620
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: once again this year, and you do have to take

621
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: that into account. At least we expect it to be

622
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: a difficult schedule. You never know until you actually get

623
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: to those weeks and you see who's on the field.

624
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: But uh, look, this team has its work cut out

625
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: for it. Let's not kid ourselves. Now. They are going

626
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: to be climbing up hill. Now how far they can

627
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: climb up hill remains to be seen, but at least

628
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: they're going in the right direction. Well, based on all

629
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: the changes that were made and players that were brought

630
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: into address some of the issues that played this team

631
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: in seventeen. But to Lloyd's point, if you're looking at

632
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: it just from a talent perspective, meaning we're looking at

633
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: the roster on paper and we're not necessarily taking the

634
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: consideration the dynamics of the outcome of the games. If

635
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: you go back to early last season in seventeen, Paul,

636
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: before the rash of injury started, that talent was sufficient

637
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: enough to win foot ball games. Okay, yeah, for the

638
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: first five games of the season. The charges game was

639
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: Week five, and they were not winning those games. So

640
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: that's another reason why you can't just go based on

641
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: the paper test and say, oh, well, it looks good

642
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: on paper. There is a seven win team the games. Baby,

643
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: it's a hollow conversation, is my point. It doesn't matter

644
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: how glowing this team looks on paper first five games

645
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: of the season. Last year, team is relatively healthy. Now

646
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: you could say b. J. Goodson was a little bit

647
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: banged up. Team was relatively healthy. Okay, they had their

648
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: offensive weapons. I'm gonna help you out just a little

649
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: bit here. You're you're overstating this whole thing, because what

650
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: the call is really trying to say is that you knew,

651
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: for example, the nineteen seventy five Giants going into that

652
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: season at Chase Stadium, you knew that was a bad

653
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: football team. You knew it was not a good roster.

654
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: And even if everything went great, they were not going

655
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: to win a lot of games. Teams. You knew the

656
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: teams at the Yell Bowl and seventy three and seventy

657
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: four were bad football teams and they were not going

658
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: to win very many games. The callers point is you

659
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: look at this roster and you say, you know what,

660
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: there are players on this roster. This team should win

661
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: a sufficient amount of games to be competitive. You know,

662
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: you can tell over the summer if the team is

663
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: just non competitive and well, I don't think, but they're

664
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: not gonna be in any conversation. Well, but my point

665
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: is none of us thought this was a three win

666
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: Giants team last summer, when we all thought that they

667
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: were potentially going through the Super Bowl. Well that that,

668
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: but that's my point. My point is when you looked

669
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: at the seventeen roster, you saw a competitive team. Nobody

670
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: was necessarily crowning them, but you saw a team that

671
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: was gonna go out with That's he's trying to He's

672
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: trying to ask us, do we think that this eighteen

673
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: team on paper looks like they will be sufficiently competitive?

674
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: And I think they then my answer would be yes.

675
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: But that's what he wants to know. Okay, Well, if

676
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna just ended there, then yes, the answers that's

677
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: what he wants to But I guess answer the question.

678
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: My answer, though, in the big picture of things, is

679
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: that means absolutely nothing. We don't nothing until January. Yeah,

680
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: I understand, but that's not what he's asked. I get

681
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: that he's asking in June, but asking us in June.

682
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: Is there reason to believe this team will be competitive?

683
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: I think I I just but I could say. My

684
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: point is, if you ask me about half the rosters

685
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: in the league, Paul, I would say the same thing.

686
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: It's okay, look what's again, because the league is followed parody, Yeah, exactly.

687
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: Some of teams think that they could be competitive. They should,

688
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: but it's no better indication of what this team is

689
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna do. And not to me, folks, but at least

690
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: two or three teams right now who you can pretty

691
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: much pretty much bank on that and that's about it.

692
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: But that's a very small percentage where you like. But

693
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: better to not be in that list right now than

694
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: to be on it. But there were over the last

695
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: few years, Paul. If you look at the Giants rosters,

696
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever had a conversation where we

697
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: were thinking bottom three in the league. No, well that's

698
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: not does business. Even even years where you know, maybe

699
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: the talent pole wasn't overwhelming. Never had the thought that

700
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: it was going to be not HM three. You're never

701
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: go into a season I think it's going to be

702
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: that bad unless you were, like I said back in

703
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: the seventies, of course you kind of knew it wasn't

704
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: You always felt five hundred is a legitimate shot. You know,

705
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: when you go into the season and you know the

706
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: Billy Taylor as you're starting running back, or Joe Dawkins

707
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: is you're starting running back, or Walker Gillette is you're

708
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: starting a number one wide receiver, you know it's probably

709
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: not going to work out too well. And that's why

710
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, I think I've had a lot of

711
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: familiar conversations. Can we please now you're shining away from football?

712
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: Want it amazing to they're taking the type on it's

713
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: not what a clock relaxed. Well, we'll get to everybody.

714
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: I have full faith, Paul. Okay, we've done this show

715
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: long enough. Yes, get everybody in. Coach Marvin, is it Delaware?

716
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin, what's happening. I didn't know him, Paul, And

717
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: what do you say? Yeah, you guys are funny today. Hey, no,

718
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I we'll just try to have a good time. It's

719
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: a down period, as you know. Yeah, yeah it is.

720
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: It's a down period. Um. I was just calling um

721
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: about my input as far as the defense goes. I

722
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: know I was listening Friday, and you know, a little

723
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: concern is that third corner. And if you're concern about

724
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: your third corner, I'm sure you're concern about the fourth fu. Um.

725
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: But you know, I believe they're probably going to look

726
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: at the supplemental they may. I'm sure they're gonna evaluate

727
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: these guys. There's three top guys that are secondary guys,

728
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: so they have to have to see what they do

729
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: with those guys. This guy Bill is a pretty good

730
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: sam It was a pretty good uh cover corner who

731
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: can also play in the slot. So some interesting you

732
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: know what Marvin, I would say this to you though, Um,

733
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: the supplemental draft, as you know, a lot of teams

734
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: like to shy away from it because they don't want

735
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: to give up one of next year's draft picks to

736
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: grab one of these guys, especially since it only goes

737
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: three rounds, So what a lot of these teams are

738
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: gonna do? I think, especially with these three players. You're

739
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: talking about Sam Bille from Western Michigan, right, uh, Donnas

740
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: Alexander from Virginia Tech. Those are the two defensive backs,

741
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: are the corners, and Brandon Bryant, the free safety from

742
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: Mississippi State. Those are the three guys who really have

743
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: draftable qualities going into the supplemental Draft. I think a

744
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: lot of teams, and maybe even all of them, it

745
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: would not shock me at all if they all sit tight,

746
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: nobody spends a draft pick on them and then works

747
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: the phones like crazy trying to sign them as an

748
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: undrafted rookie free agent, because hey, you don't have to

749
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: give up one of the the next year's draft picks, and

750
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: you don't know where you're gonna be picking next year

751
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: because the season hasn't even started yet, so teams shy

752
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: away from doing that. And also you probably could be

753
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: able to give the guy less money and less guarantee

754
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: if you if you wait till after the supplemental Draft

755
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: is over. Now. Of course, the problem with that is

756
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: you're now bidding against other teams. But if you think

757
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: that you can rope him in that way. There are

758
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. I guarantee you are interested in

759
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: at least one of these guys who are gonna try

760
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: to go the free agent route. I can agree with that,

761
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: and that's that's a good way to get it. But

762
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: it depends on I believe it depends on the grade

763
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: that you're going to give him, no question, supplemental. You

764
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: don't want to lose a a top four draft pick

765
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: on a supplemental. So yeah, I mean I have to

766
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: do it still your bid and and and see what happens.

767
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: Um it can be a little bit and uh, and

768
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: see what it can The rule of thumb, the rule

769
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: of thumb, Marvin, Just so you know the rule of

770
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: thumb in the NFL that that's kind of across the board.

771
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Challenge evaluators usually say, wherever you think that guy's grade is,

772
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: whatever his round grade is, subtract one round if you're

773
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: going to take him in the supplemental. So if you

774
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 1: think he's a second round value, that means you're gonna

775
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: submit a third round bid. If you think he's a

776
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: third round value, then you're not going to submit a

777
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: bid at all. You're going to wait the free agency. Yeah,

778
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: I can. I agree with that. And um, and and

779
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: I was probably and I was doing the same thing.

780
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: I was looking, you know, through a fifth or sixth

781
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: round bid. And and then you don't know what the

782
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: other team is doing. Like you said, it maybe twenty

783
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: of them looking sometime. That only goes three rounds though,

784
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: so you know you're not gonna do a five or six.

785
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: It only goes three rounds. After three, the guy becomes

786
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: a free agent. Oh the three okay, all right. I

787
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: thought they can did whatever they had and what they

788
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: could lose. Uh, if how many rounds we ever have

789
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: in the draft. I thought that's what the bid would be.

790
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: I do not believe that's the case. Okay, all right,

791
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: I take your word for it. I mean, we can

792
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: look it up. I take it for that. But then

793
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: if that's the case, no, I'm not gonna because these

794
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: guys are not third round picks. They they're coming up

795
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: between third and seventh round picks. Um. So if that's

796
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: the case, I wouldn't I wouldn't put a bid in

797
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: at all. Um. The other thing I was looking at

798
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: was the on the offense. I see that they did

799
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot of pickups of tight ends, and I get

800
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: this feeling that we're going to see a lot of

801
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: twelve personnels this year, which will open it up for

802
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: ingram Um. I think it's gonna be very difficult to

803
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 1: match up with them, depending on what the defenses does well.

804
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: Red Ellison Kyle Carter both have familiarity with Pat Shermer

805
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: system because they were in Minnesota. At at least bodes

806
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: well for the two of them to have a legitimate

807
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: shot to make the roster number one, and then probably

808
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: Shermer and company can envision utilizing them knowing that they

809
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: already have some familiarity with this system. But I mean,

810
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's all about production.

811
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to. Marvin. I mean, if

812
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: you feel that those guys give you the best chance

813
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: to execute the play, you put them on the field.

814
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: But I'm not one for just putting them on the

815
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: field for the sake of putting him on the field.

816
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: If you think that three wide receivers are bound to

817
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: pose a difficult challenge to the defense much more so

818
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: than different alignments, you go with the three wide receivers.

819
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean that, you know, I understand people are tired

820
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: of seeing the same formations. But last year the whole

821
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: point was why would you take your top weapons off

822
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: the field just for the sake of appeasing fans and

823
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: putting different looks on the field. I mean, And that

824
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: to me made absolutely no sense. I agree with that

825
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: because you mean you if you bow down the fans,

826
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you can find yourself one of them. Um,

827
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: you can't. Can't coach that way. But the reason I

828
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: was saying it to our personnels, I mean, my thing

829
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: is the twelve personnel is in exchangeable parts. As I

830
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: write on my board here, I can write up stuff

831
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: on the board at what takes the place? I want

832
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: to learn based on what we are already at running

833
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: and what I can do is I'm looking for the

834
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: matchups and what happens. Is my thing with the twelve personnel,

835
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: which New England did explore throughout through the NFL that

836
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: the year they had the two tight ends is what

837
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: they did is they want to see what you're gonna

838
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: do defensively. What kind of personnel are you bringing out

839
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: on the field if we go to our personnel, because

840
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: if you go, if you go nickel and bringing the

841
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: extra back, then we're gonna run it down your throat.

842
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: And if you try to match up with your base

843
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: with three linebackers, we're gonna spread you up with people

844
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: like Barkley you see and stuff, which is what McCaffrey.

845
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: We don't know how many catches he got out of

846
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: that slot um playing in that slot position. But you

847
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: can move back on Barkley out you also what you

848
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 1: can do. England can also play outside the numbers. Ingram

849
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: also can play inside the numbers because you can go UM.

850
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: You can go out living personnel with a person like

851
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: Ingram on the team where you can put the money

852
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: outside for the money inside, or you can take Sterling

853
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Shepherd for the money outside of the money inside. So

854
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: many exchangeable parts out of that twelve personnel that it

855
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: can confuse the defense or how you want to match

856
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: it up. And the only thing that's going to save

857
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: a defense in this sense is our our front guys

858
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: against their front guys. Can they get a pass rush

859
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: to disrupt that if we're doing stuff like this um

860
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's the only weakness that's going to

861
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: be on this on this offense is can the offensive

862
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: line hold up long enough to explore these defenses? Because

863
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: this is I think there are people that take notice.

864
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: This is a very difficult offensive people to match up with.

865
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: Income is unbelievable against linebackers, and it's gonna kill teams

866
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: if they can't get pass rush m because of the versatility.

867
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: To your point, and appreciate the phone call coach markin

868
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: Man before you go. I want to correct. Over the

869
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: years the supplemental draft rules I believe have changed or

870
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: been tweaked. So maybe there is a bid where you

871
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: can put in a fifth round bid and if that's

872
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: the highest bid, you get it. Maybe maybe I'm thinking

873
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: under an old set of rules here, So I want

874
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: to be clear. I don't guarantee what that answer is

875
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: right now, so you may have it right. I'm gonna

876
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: do more research on it hopefully have a better answer

877
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: for you tomorrow. And they and they and the other

878
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: teams don't know what your bid. No, no, it's ali

879
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: and then they they take all the bids from the

880
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: league and the best bid is going to get right.

881
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: I always know it was a closed Envelow bid, if

882
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: you will. But what I did not know is I

883
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: was under the impression and again maybe there was the

884
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: rules at one time where it was only three rounds,

885
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: and if it went after three and no one bid

886
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds, the guy was automatically a

887
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: free agent. I may not have that right now. I

888
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: want to confirm that I'll get back to you tomorrow. Well,

889
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: and then the other part of that time, Paul, that

890
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: you gotta think something. Most of the time, these guys

891
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: don't have a third round. Um. Great, So you again,

892
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: we don't see many of the players in supplemental drafts.

893
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: It's only a few the Giants have taken to you know,

894
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: you do you know who, Marvin? I bet you you do,

895
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: and their history and the Giant's history. They've taken two

896
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: supplemental draft picks. You know. One of them was a

897
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: quarterback from Duke David Dave Brown. The other one was

898
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: Tito Tito Wooton. Tito Wooton safety was the other one.

899
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I didn't know Dave

900
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Brown was was taken in the supplemental draft. And we

901
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: know how that all turned out. I got your Marvin,

902
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate. Yeah. From what I'm reading, just for

903
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: the same of clarification, is you submit your bid if

904
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: there's two equal bids, meaning two teams submitted second rounders.

905
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: Then it goes to the team which has the higher pick,

906
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: meaning the worst record. Right, that's what they used as

907
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: a typewriter, So it's almost like a silent auction essentially. Yes,

908
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: that's the best that much I got. I we got

909
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: to get the rest of these rules right. I'm sorry

910
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: if I missn't let anybody. I want to make sure

911
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: I get this right and we'll go on tomorrow show.

912
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: I promise you. All right, let's get back to lunch.

913
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: Marco's in Connecticut. Marco, what's happening, Hey, Lansing, Paul, how

914
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: are you going on? I'm doing well. I called about

915
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: the D line and there's something I want to get

916
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: to on that. But I was just thinking about this

917
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: as I was on hold. UM coach Shermer. I'm not

918
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: sure if he was asked about it, but I think

919
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: he might be. I could I could see him being

920
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: asked this as it gets closer to the season. So

921
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: it's his offense and he's going to be calling the

922
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: place this year. That's I mean, all of that has

923
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: been kind of come out. Um. I'm thinking back to

924
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: McAdoo and McAdoo was asked about this all the time

925
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: with the play calling more because I think it was

926
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: like he he liked to leave it a little bit

927
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: more vague, but Shermer has been a little more direct

928
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: about it. What what makes us think, um aside from

929
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: the fact that Sherman was a head coach before, right,

930
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: but with all the stuff that the head coach has

931
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: to deal with, why should we feel a little bit

932
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: better of Shermer calling plays and being the head coach

933
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: than we did with McAdoo. And I was fine with

934
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: McAdoo calling the place. I guess the only issue was

935
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: like he didn't really like to address it too much,

936
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: But I was fine with him calling it because it

937
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: was his offense. But we saw it kind of I

938
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know, like sometimes especially when their distractions happening, people

939
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: like to point their fingers at Well, maybe if mcindo

940
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: gave up play calling duties, he'd be able to truly

941
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: coach the entire team. And now we're in a situation

942
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: where basically that coach is coming in and he's doing

943
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: the same crank. So I want to get your take

944
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: on that before I jump into a d line. Well,

945
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: the one thing that I will say that differentiate Sherman

946
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: and mcado is. Sherman's done it before, Marco, and he

947
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: has had an opportunity to learn from his mistakes in

948
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: his first go around in Cleveland when he was the

949
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: head coach as well as the play caller, because Paul

950
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: and I had Brad Children's on when Shermer was initially

951
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: hired and Children was brought in year two to be

952
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, and he said Sherman was still the

953
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: guy that was directing the traffic. So and Sherman has

954
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: been on the record Marco saying, boy, there's a lot

955
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: of things I know now going into my second go

956
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: around as a head coach that I wish I knew

957
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: the first time around, Whereas Ben McAdoo, he was thrown

958
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: in to the fire for the first time ever. Ben

959
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: McAdoo was never a head coach when he was doing

960
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: multitasking for the first time. So I think that doesn't

961
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: mean that the success rate is guaranteed, but I think Shermer,

962
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: having had the experience, unlike McAdoo, you should at least

963
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: feel much better about that. The only thing I would

964
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: add to that is, um, I've always been vocal about

965
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: my preference to separate the duties. Uh my My feeling

966
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: is the game is so complicated and so complex. Unless

967
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: the guy who's doing it is is just so confident

968
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: in what he's doing and he's got such a handle

969
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: on things that he's got to it's my preference that

970
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: they're separate. Okay. Having said that, I do think that

971
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: Sherman's got a better chance of making it work because

972
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: he has done it before, and because if it didn't

973
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: work out to his satisfaction and he didn't think it

974
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: worked out at least uh to the effectiveness level that

975
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: he wanted to, he would have trashed it. I mean, he's,

976
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: like you said, he said he's learned from that time

977
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Well, if that was one of the problems,

978
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: then he would not be doing it now. I'm sure

979
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: he would have just said, forget about it. I tried

980
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: it before. It was a bad idea. No, No, that

981
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: must have been one of the things that he thought

982
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: worked well, and that's why he's going to continue to

983
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: do it here. But I will tell you what, Mike

984
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: schul has done it before, obviously as the offensive coordinator

985
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: with the Panthers for a lot of years. And if

986
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: for some reason, Coach Schremer decides he wants to take

987
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: a step back. At least he got an experienced guy

988
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: who could take the playbook. Yeah, I'm I wanted your

989
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: point of view on it, both of you, but I

990
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: I overall feel just in general, I'm not comparing him

991
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: to Mac you do, but I feel confident about coach Schremer.

992
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: So if that's what he wants to do, I'm okay

993
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: with it. Paul, I kind of leaned towards you. I

994
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: like to see almost like the Coughlin way of running things.

995
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, head coach and then offensive coordinator and defensive

996
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: coordinator are doing their thing well. And I'm with the

997
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: two of you as well. I like the separation of

998
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: church and state. I've said that multiple times. However, to

999
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 1: your point, Marco, and you said this at the beginning

1000
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: of the phone call. If I'm hiring Pat, I want

1001
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: his offensive mind, his thinking during games, to dictate the offense.

1002
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: Just like the Giants brought in Ben McAdoo because they

1003
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: thought he had upside as an offensive coordinator. Now you

1004
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: elevate him to head coach. You liked what he did

1005
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: calling the offense for the first two years. Now all

1006
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you don't want him to be the

1007
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: play gold. There were logical reasons why both guys wanted

1008
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: to do it the way they wanted to do it,

1009
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: and and you know what, it's you like apple not

1010
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: like oranges. I mean, there's really no definitive right or

1011
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: wrong way to do it. And I don't know. Uh,

1012
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,479
Speaker 1: let me, let me get to my call. I called

1013
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: about the defensive line. Um the so okay, well, what

1014
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: maybe you guys still look at this because I don't know.

1015
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be playing a three or four defense,

1016
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: and I saw around this time of the year when

1017
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: things have really kind of calmed down. Um, I love

1018
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: to look at the roster. I've always been into making

1019
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: like a you know, create a fifteen three man roster

1020
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: and then kind of fine tune in it as the

1021
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: training camp has gone on. But I've always done that

1022
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: with the type of personnel that we've had in the past,

1023
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: not with a three four. So I guess my question

1024
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: is a three fours defense typically, how many defensive linemen

1025
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: do three four teams key and defensive line and I

1026
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: mean ends players that have their hands in the in

1027
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: the ground, ends, nose tackles, how many are usually kept?

1028
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a great question. I mean all the

1029
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 1: top of my and I don't know. I haven't looked

1030
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: closely enough to see whether or not three four teams

1031
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: are bound to keep more or less defensive lineman than

1032
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: four three teams. But this is why it's a tricky question, Marco,

1033
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: because I know you're classifying guys hybrid that sort of

1034
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: fall into the linebacker slash defensive line categories. So it

1035
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: depends on within your defense. Are you only using this

1036
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: guy as a linebacker or are you going to utilize

1037
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: him in both positions? And if you're gonna utilize him

1038
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: in both positions, how does that necessarily influence how many

1039
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: players you keep at both spots? Marco. The day of

1040
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: I think with the scheme that Betcher uses, you have

1041
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: uh defensive tackles, although John wants to call them still

1042
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: just defensive lineman. But I think you have defensive tackles.

1043
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: You have edge players who are your defensive ends and

1044
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: your outside line backers, and then you have your inside linebackers.

1045
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 1: I think you have to read define the depth chart

1046
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: because there really really is no such thing as an

1047
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: outside linebacker and a defensive end in terms of separation.

1048
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: Those guys are morphed into mutants if you will, uh

1049
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: in the Betcher scheme so to me, and Johnson said

1050
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: he'd rather call a defensive line edge and inside linebacker.

1051
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: If he wants to go that way, that's fine. The

1052
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: point is it's now a three position front seven instead

1053
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: of your typical four position front seven where you had

1054
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: defensive end, defensive tackle, inside linebacker, outside linebacker. It used

1055
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: to be four positions on the depth chart, now it's

1056
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: only three with this scheme. Well, and here's the other

1057
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: way to look at it, Marco. You also need to

1058
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: take into consideration Dalvin Tomlinson. Okay, last year I would

1059
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: consider him a defensive tackle. I could see them moving

1060
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 1: him out to defensive end in certain alignments this year.

1061
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: So what do you consider Dalvid tomlins In? Or what

1062
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: do you consider if b J. Hill? Meaning when Snacks

1063
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: is on the field, first or second down, Snacks is

1064
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: the nose? I think agreement, yes, But what happens if

1065
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: you still want to get tomlins In on the field?

1066
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: Do you want to get b J. Hill on the field?

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00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: Where are you putting them? See what I see, You'll

1068
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: see a lot of and your foreman, your traditional foreman,

1069
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: you'll see Vernon standing up. Okay, you'll see Snacks on

1070
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: the field down I think those would be your your

1071
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: front four, so to speak. But then there's gonna be

1072
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: either Carter or Kareem Martin standing up on the other side,

1073
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be a five man front with only

1074
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: three guys down. And and I think you'll also see

1075
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: six man fronts too. Out of bet your okay. So

1076
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make this quick as I know we're

1077
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: against It's an impossible question to answer, to be honest

1078
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: with you, that's the problem. And I get that, and

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00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really excited for preseason to see to actually

1080
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: see them line up. But here's a couple of questions

1081
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: that I have going on, and you get to them

1082
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: whenever you can. But so for me, it's like who

1083
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: it sounds like Snacks is probably the most definable position

1084
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: as a nose tackle. Who who is going to back

1085
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: him up in the event of giving him some plays

1086
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: off in the event he's not playing. And then also,

1087
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: um so leading up to leading up to training camp,

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00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: I heard I've heard a great so Tomilton obviously last year,

1089
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: good reviews and looking forward to him in the second year,

1090
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: and then d J. Hill is getting great praise under

1091
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: the radar too. I think a lot of people are

1092
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: being kind of coy about it too, because the he

1093
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: is a gem, I think. And then Matt McIntosh was

1094
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: actually someone that I heard about a while back that

1095
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: he could be like a diamond in the rough. I

1096
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: know he hasn't played yet, but here's the point of

1097
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. There's a lot of guys here,

1098
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: and then I don't know anything, uh if they were

1099
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: standing in front of me or if they were honest,

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about Josh Banks, uh A J Francis, um,

1101
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: Jordan Williams, who I know the team was high on

1102
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: last year. So I'd love for you guys to dig

1103
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: in on this because I think there's a lot there

1104
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: about these uh, these players, these new players, and then

1105
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: where they kind of line up on the team. So

1106
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate the phone call. Well, I mean, we

1107
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: could certainly have a more detailed conversation on that subject

1108
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: another time. We're really running out of time. One more

1109
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: caller too. The only thing I will say is I

1110
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: think if Snacks is not on the field, that he's

1111
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: not available to me. Tomlinson is the first guy that

1112
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: would step Robert Thomas if Robert Thomas is going to

1113
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: make the team, because let's face it, most of the

1114
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: guys on the second part of the depth chart all

1115
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: going to be in competition situations. Robert Thomas, to me,

1116
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: would also be another candidate to sub for snacks on

1117
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: a particular play. Yeah, those would be the first two

1118
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: guys up. Pete is on Standard Island. Pete, what's happening name? Well,

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00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: it's all about It's all about out the screener, That's

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01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: what it comes down to. So it's more of a

1121
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: compliment to the screener than it is to me. Pete.

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: What happened when I said my name was because Cooper

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01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: I don't want well listen to Pete. In fairness, Pete,

1124
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: I think you have Pete. I'm sure you've been called

1125
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: far worse than Cooper in your life. Okay, so so

1126
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: so I don't think I'm anywhere near the top of

1127
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: there you go. That's why I said I wouldn't put

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01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: myself atop the list in terms of me butchering your name.

1129
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: What do you got today, Pete? Now, really quick, I

1130
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: heard you guys run the list of either touchdowns right

1131
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, and I was. It was a collection of

1132
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: four players that a a tweeter wanted to know between

1133
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: those four players, who was going to catch the most

1134
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: touchdown passes. Chefred was not one of the options that

1135
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: they were asking about, so therefore we didn't answer him.

1136
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: But I think you could easily expect Sterling Shepard to

1137
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: catch five or six touchdown passes as he has in

1138
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: the past. Whether or not he catches more than that,

1139
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be number one. So therefore

1140
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: we just did not throw him in as the fifth

1141
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: player in the equation. All right, don't be shocked because

1142
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: if you look up, look up at him feeling numbers

1143
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: from lest year, I know what you're gonna say. Look

1144
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: up his numbers might have been a second. He's the

1145
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: first book second. Okay, look up his numbers, and don't

1146
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: be shocked. If throwing is the guy that winds up

1147
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: being the step out player of the year for the Giant,

1148
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: I think that guy. Yeah, he's a good player. He

1149
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: makes a lot of place. Nothing more with that. Yeah,

1150
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: so up grew up healing his numbers and and I

1151
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: think you're gonna be pleasantly surprised Feeling. Last year Theeland

1152
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: had four touchdowns. Just to use him as it means

1153
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: of comparison, Stefon Diggs and Kyle Rudolph had eight apiece.

1154
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: So wait, the way that I look at it, well,

1155
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: Feeland had more yardage on everybody else, but we were

1156
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: looking at it through a touchdown land So that's what

1157
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: the way. The way that I look at it is

1158
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: Beckham is Digs, Ngram is Rudolf and then Shepherd is Feeling.

1159
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: So I agree with you in terms of your comparisons.

1160
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: But if you then use those comparisons, Digs and Rudolph,

1161
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: it's no surprise had more touchdowns than than Feeland. So

1162
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: they have four Beckham and Ingram, perhaps we'll have more

1163
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: touchdowns and Shepherd, right, Okay, I answers are going to

1164
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: be outside today, but I probably absolutely alright. Pete you

1165
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: as well, thanks to the phone for you. Did you

1166
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: get the power walk in yet or is this a

1167
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: later one because it's gonna get really hot as the

1168
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: date progressive? So actually is my daughter went on a

1169
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: walk with me earlier today. We did four miles because

1170
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: she was short on time, okay, and I will go

1171
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: out and do more miles later on today, even if

1172
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like maybe maybe I'll wait until tonight.

1173
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: I think that would be a wise This is gonna

1174
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: be one of those days where it could still be

1175
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: like eighty seven s. It's eight o'clock and then I'm

1176
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: just telling you. That's all. I'm giving you. The weather report,

1177
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: that's all. Take it for what it's worth. Health does

1178
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: not know the calendar, No, not at all. I I

1179
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: understand that, but I just wanted to make sure that

1180
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: you'd be stocked up on fluids and ready to go.

1181
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: One that I always brea of the Poldatino Power Walk. Yes,

1182
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: it is a very hot one here in the New York,

1183
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: New Jersey region. Anybody who lives outside of the region

1184
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: probably doesn't care what we just said, but we figured

1185
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: that we throw some of those little tidbits out there,

1186
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: all right, Big Blue Kick Off Live back yes tomorrow

1187
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: at noon Eastern will continue to look ahead to training

1188
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: camp and get into some interesting conversation stations about the

1189
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: makeup of the roster, as well as previews some of

1190
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: the upcoming Giants opponents, So stay tuned for that over

1191
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: the next few weeks. For Paul the Tino on Lance medal.

1192
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: We'll speak to you tomorrow right here on giants dot com.

1193
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: Have a good one.