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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A double murder including the

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Speaker 1: death of an eleven year old little girl. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. How did it all start? Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC seventeen. Late Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: Boone County Sheriff's Office responded to the victim's home on

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Speaker 1: a concerned family member. Their deputies found forty three year

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Speaker 1: old Allison A. Bits and her daughter Josie dead in

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Speaker 1: their home. The school year would have been Allison's sixth

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Speaker 1: year with Fulton Public Schools. A co worker from Allison's

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Speaker 1: previous job at Tipton Elementary said students in both districts

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Speaker 1: will need support from the losses. I think her first

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Speaker 1: action is building that community, letting from now that there's

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Speaker 1: counseling services available, whether it's a staff member, member of

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Speaker 1: the students that are involved in that were impacted by

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Speaker 1: the loss of the Allison and her daughter. I have

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Speaker 1: reached out to the Boone County Sheriff's Office this morning

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Speaker 1: for more information on the double homicide investigation. So far,

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Speaker 1: the office doesn't know if there's a current danger to

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Speaker 1: the public but says that anyone who's willing to murder

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Speaker 1: Of course, family and friends devastated, including all of her

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Speaker 1: little classmates. Just think about your child at age eleven,

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Speaker 1: so tender, so pure, so sweet, and all the classmates

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Speaker 1: finding out this little girl, little Josie, was murdered. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut number one KARCG TV thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Boone County Sheriff's investigators have released few details surrounding the

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Speaker 1: double homicide of Allison and Josie Abbots. They say a

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Speaker 1: worried relative called Boon County deputies about eleven pm Sunday

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Speaker 1: Fulton Public School crisis counselors are helping students and faculty

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Speaker 1: out to particular families, especially that we knew had close

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Speaker 1: anybody else who wanted to come in and meet with

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Speaker 1: those individuals. These Facebook photos from the Columbia acro and

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Speaker 1: Tumbling team show, Josie Abbots was heavily involved with Acrobatic

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Speaker 1: Gymnastics head coach heathers up krcgas statements saying, Josie was

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Speaker 1: somewhat mischievous smile would always light up the gym or

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Speaker 1: the competition floor. And they're right, chand a beautiful smile,

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Speaker 1: and you could just see the energy coming out of

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Speaker 1: this eleven year old little girl who should be worried

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Speaker 1: about her next tumbling event or what the school cafeteria

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Speaker 1: has for lunch. She's dead, murdered again. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Fox Nations Series eleven.

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Speaker 1: I want to introduce you an all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense if we can of it. First of all,

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Speaker 1: California Prosecutor Wendy Patrick, author of Red Flags and host

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Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy k c b Q. Renowned

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold joining us out of Atlanta. You

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Speaker 1: can find her at Angela Arnold, MD dot com. Professor

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Speaker 1: of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, death investigator, author of Blood

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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, joining us and Emmy nominated

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Speaker 1: Reporter or Anchor an Jeannette Levy and Jeannette, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being with us. Tell me about this area.

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Speaker 1: I know it's Boone County. That's Columbia, Missouri. Correct. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And for an area that's spread out, that's a very

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Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to you on that, Joe Scott.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, actually, let's talk about that first.

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Speaker 1: When you come into a double murder scene, what is

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Speaker 1: the first thing you do well after securing the scene? Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna we'll see when you say something like that,

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Speaker 1: you just just trip that off your tongue. Wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: You know how I like to talk about Shasta and

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Speaker 1: killed the whole family, took the children, raped and sodomized

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Speaker 1: playing some six sex game with this child. And Shasta

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Speaker 1: Cashier recognized Shasta Grownee. That's how they got caught. Happenstance.

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Speaker 1: So when you say a major thoroughfare goes through, we

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Speaker 1: cannot discount that. Joe Scott no, we can't. And you know,

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Speaker 1: So you have to be very very careful at the scene, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: it's coming to mind right now, all the speculation that

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Speaker 1: Who was at those tumbling events, those gymnastic meets. I've

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Speaker 1: And this is the thing about it, And as tragic

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Speaker 1: The first time Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we

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Speaker 1: talk about what we've just heard. The fascination and that

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Speaker 1: to you about purvs. I do believe purvs show up

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Speaker 1: tumbling matches. I mean, we just saw what that freak

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Speaker 1: Nasser did to our Olympian girls. He's a freak, and

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Speaker 1: I hope he stays in jail the rest of his life.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll get a little dose in jail of what

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Speaker 1: going to go to old folks, mingo, are they? Because

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Speaker 1: treated pedophiles in my past, and they have told me

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Speaker 1: could be a red light cam. But they've got his vehicle.

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00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he did the murder. But back to

427
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: the couple that was found murdered, Pamela Stefan and Daniel Stefan.

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00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that a motorcycle was found in a

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00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: heavily wooded area near the Stefan's home. Yes, that's true,

430
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: and it belonged to at McLean, forty five year old J. T. McLean,

431
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I mean Joe Scott Vehicles. A man and his motorcycle

432
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: will not soon be parted. Okay, you've got his motorcycle

433
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: found near one double murder scene, and you've got him

434
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: driving his vehicle to another double murder scene the night

435
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: of the murder. Find him immediately. This is somebody that

436
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you find him, you dart right, somebody. You're gonna want

437
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: to really put the screws to, Nancy and find out

438
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: what his connection is to all of these individuals, not individuals, Nancy,

439
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: let's say murder victims. You're going to want to determine

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00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: what his relationship is between all of these individuals because listen,

441
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: as you pointed out at the top of the show, Nancy,

442
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: this is an isolated area. This is underpopulated. If you will,

443
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: all right, how can you find how can you find

444
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: this individual as quickly as you possibly can because other

445
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: people might be in danger for all you know. You've

446
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: got a wild, raving maniac running across the countryside that's

447
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: picking up people, are picking out people in their own

448
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: private residences, Nancy, and killing them. So bottom line, note

449
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: to self, don't leave my Harley park behind the double

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00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: homicide scene. Okay, so he is saying, Joe Scott Morgan

451
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: is saying, correctly, what's the connection to this guy and

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00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: these murder victims? Take a listen to our friend Hannah

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00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Alkin Cut twelve, ABC seventeen. Since McClean had ties to

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00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: cities all over the country, a nationwide hunt began. September eight.

455
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: A motorcycle McClean was believed to have stolen was found

456
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: outside a Miller County house. Inside, investigators found relatives of

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00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: McLean's ex wife, Daniel and Pamelast Stephen dead, and McLean

458
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: was once again the suspect of a double homicide. Detectives

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00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: say he stole the Stefan's truck and fled the seat

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00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace, Ajeanette Leavy, the Stefens or

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00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: relatives of his ex wife. So who are the Abbots

462
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: to him? Abbot Alison Abbots was his longtime girlfriend, and

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00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: obviously Josie is Allison's daughter, so he was in a

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00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: relationship with Alison and at Nancy. He had some issues

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Speaker 1: with his fect wife as well and their child, so

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00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of issues that seems like with this

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00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: guy and women that he's involved with in their children. Guys,

468
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: take lest our cut thirteen. This is Alex Fulton KOMU eight.

469
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I spent the day talking to neighbors and then Miller

470
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office, which you can see right behind me.

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00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: Authorities say they found McLean's a motorcycle and the woods

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00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: behind the Steffen's home. Officers then trace that back that

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00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: motorcycle to McLean. Neighbors confirmed to me that the Steffens

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00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: lived on three one five at Route dan Kaiser. Investigators

475
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: say McLean stole their pickup truck and drove it to

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Speaker 1: South Dakota. Neighbors remember seeing police cards at the home

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00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: until one am this morning. Authorities that the Miller County

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00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 1: Schriff's Office could not provide further details as the investigation

479
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: is still ongoing, and all the neighbors I spoke to

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00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: today say they're still grieving the loss. They all noted

481
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: the Stuffen's work in the community and how they were

482
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: always there to help. One even told me every time

483
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: she looks across the street, she remembers the loss. So

484
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: what is that psychopathy? To doctor Angel Arnold, you hear

485
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: an Anginette Levy say he McLean. JT. McClean, age forty five,

486
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: had problems with his ex wife and her children, and

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00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: now he has reportedly murdered a girlfriend, Alison Abbotts, and

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Speaker 1: her little girl, eleven year old Josie. So Nancy. He

489
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: cannot seem to get along with anyone, can he? So

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00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: we So this is an access to disorder, which is

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Speaker 1: called antisocial personality disorder. And these people put on a

492
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: face and their emotions are all a sham and they

493
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: pretend like they get along with people, and that's why

494
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: he can go from one relationship to another. But really

495
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: and truly, their emotions are not real. They are unable

496
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: to love, and they have no conscience, which is why

497
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: they can do things like this. But this is an X.

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: It is not an access one disorder as we describe

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Speaker 1: things in psychiatry. It is an access to disorder, which

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00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: is a personality disorder. So this does not deem him insane. Okay,

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00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: this doesn't make him insane. He's a very bad person. Well,

502
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about how he can go from one woman

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00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: to the next and totally condemn like starting a new relationship,

504
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: shedding the O and like a snake and starting the

505
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: new one. While he was quite speaking of reptiles, he

506
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: was quite the chameleon because he changed his look too.

507
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Taylor Freeman and Our Cut nine

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00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: KOMU JT. McClean is still not in custody. Investigators say

509
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: the suspect strangled his longtime girlfriend and drowned her daughter.

510
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: The court unsealed the probable cause documents today. This case

511
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: started eight days ago when police found Alison Abbots and

512
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: her eleven year old daughter, Josie dead in their Boon

513
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: County home. Abbots was a second grade teacher at Bush

514
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: Elementary and Fulton, and Josie was going to start middle school.

515
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: The court documents show investigators found a HIVY receipt at

516
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: the house. They then found McClean and the victims on

517
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: store surveillance video. Investigators say there's also neighborhood surveillance that

518
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: shows mcclean's car there. Late this afternoon, the Boone County

519
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Office posted photos of McClean from the past several years.

520
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: The office says these photos show McLean with different haircuts

521
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: over the years. The Sheriff's office included photos with and

522
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: without facial hair. Okay, what does that tell you, Jess

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00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: got Morgan, That the cops have several pictures of McClean

524
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: over the years with different haircuts and styles, tells me

525
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: that he's at contact with the cops over this period

526
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: of time. Doesn't it that he's interacted potentially with them,

527
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: that he's on the radar. He's somebody that is significant,

528
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: Nancy in all of this. And this is the thread

529
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: that runs through we're talking about the motorcycle, we're talking

530
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: about you know, these two poor victims in the house.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was the name that came to mind

532
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: just second, go Nancy Andrew Yates. I was thinking about

533
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: that little girl, the eleven year old girl in the bathtub,

534
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: and it just absolutely chills me to the absolute bone.

535
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: Eleven month old Mary. I thank God. And I'm just thinking,

536
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, how in the world can somebody do this, Nancy?

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00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: You know. And another thing, they've got him at a

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00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: high v which I think is like a food market

539
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: with the victims, and it's just before the murders. Then

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00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: they've got him going in and out in his vehicle

541
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: to their home the day of the murders. And you

542
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: can time the t od time and death pretty much

543
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: when you've got a strangulation and a drowning, well more

544
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: on the strangulation, I would guess, but some on the drowning,

545
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: depending if the water is warm or if the child

546
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: was clothed or not clothed, you might be able to

547
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: get a TD and then sink it with the extreme

548
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: forensic evidence for like the receipt at the high the

549
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: video at the high ve the neighborhood video surveillance showing

550
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: him going in and out of the neighborhood, If you

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00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: can get the time of death, and then based on

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00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: extrinsic evidence, show he was there with them at the

553
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: time of death, Bam, there's your case, Joe Scott. Yeah,

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00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. And then if the coroner hopefully did

555
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: their job at the scene and they measured all of

556
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: those changes that take place after death, riger body temperature,

557
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: live or mortis, all of those things, and you marry

558
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff up together, Nancy, you're producing a timeline

559
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: there at that point time where you can actually peg

560
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: him back. Who else are you going to look for?

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00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Who else at this point time are you going to

562
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: tie back to this? He's going to be the number

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00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: one suspect of my hip parade. Let's shed a little

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00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: more light on what happened. Take a listen to our

565
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: friend Peyton Headley KOMU eight. Well, right now, we know

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Speaker 1: the suspect is Alison Abbott's long term boyfriend. He's currently

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00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: the last known person to be in contact but the

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Speaker 1: Boone County mother and her daughter Josie. This is forty

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00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: five year old JT. McLean. He's charged with two counts

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00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: of first degree murder that McLean currently has a warrant

571
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: out for his arrest and a one million dollar bond.

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00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: The mugshot was taken back in January of this year.

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00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: We also know McLean is a truck driver an Investigators

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00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: say he goes by a few different names. Those are

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00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: John McLean, Stephen Nagy, and Stephen McLean. He has hair

576
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: and these photos, but investigators say he is known to

577
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: completely shave his head. Investigators also say they are still

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00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: looking for him. He was last known to live on

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00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: County Road three fifty five in Kallaway County. Investigators say

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00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: he has ties to Las Vegas, Chicago, Columbia, Fulton, and

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00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: Saint Peter. The Boone County Sheriff's Department says the probable

582
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: cause was developed to believe McLean killed Allison and Josie. However,

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00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: the motive behind the murder is still unknown. You know,

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00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, we're talking about all his different looks that

585
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: the Blaze happen to have pictures up, in other words, mugshots,

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00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: and now we're hearing about how will shave his hair

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00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: redo his hair? You know what I love to do

588
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 1: when I start initiate a jury trial, once you begin

589
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: picking your jurars, you have to do it then and

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00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: then later on. Typically is verbally and verbatim read the

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: indictment handed down by the grand jury. And I loved

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00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: nothing more than saying, for instance, Wendy Patrick aka DJ

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00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Slimsy aka street Girl Wendy aka WP and all the

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00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: aliases the defendant had, because a jury is like, what

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00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: if I found out my husband David had an alias?

596
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 1: I would do a backflip. I would do a backflip

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00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: on national TV because when you have to go by

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Speaker 1: different names, there's something way wrong with the biggest question

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00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: you would ask is why the why? Oh I don't

600
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: think I was slowed down to ask why if I

601
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Speaker 1: suddenly found out David had an alias, and here you're

602
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: finding about all his looks and all of his different

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00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: names he's got, I mean, but we're also finding out

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00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: we found out earlier I think Jeanette Levy had accurately

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00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: reported that he had had trouble with his X, well

606
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Jackie here in the studio. Researched that before today and

607
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: found out the trouble was he threatened to stab his

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00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: X in the face. I call that trouble. Yeah, you

609
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: know what's really frightening about that. So we've called this

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00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: man a snake and a chameleon. I'm also going to

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00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: call him a wolf in sheep's clothing. That he was

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00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: able to get close enough to these families to be

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00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: able to be inside their homes making these threats, and

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00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: nomadic in the sense that this is a large geographical area.

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00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: He's got ties to different cities, probably because he drives

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00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: a truck. But you're looking at a pattern that's being

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00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: developed over a large area. But that's very personal in nature.

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00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: He is threatening people close to him that has been

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Speaker 1: close to him for some time. Remember this was a

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00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: long time relationship with Alison. So to be able to

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Speaker 1: allow somebody into your house, into your home, into your circle,

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Speaker 1: your intimate circle. When you've got an eleven year old daughter,

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Speaker 1: that means that he was pretty good, not only it

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00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: changing his opinion, but pretty darn hiding down. You are right.

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00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: We always say, why do these mothers let these freaks

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00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: around their children, doctor Angie? Do they need a man

627
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: that badly? Well? I mean, Nancy, it's I mean, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they're letting someone that's not well groomed

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Speaker 1: and and you know, doesn't have manners. These people are charming,

630
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Speaker 1: And are are you going to just every charming person

631
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: that comes in your house? One and twenty five people

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Speaker 1: living amongst us our sociopaths. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a matter of I don't think it's always a matter of, oh,

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Speaker 1: are we're just throwing our kids to the dogs? Nancy?

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to be a pretty strong professional

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Speaker 1: to kind of watch this behavior and see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: You know what. You're absolutely right, doctor Angie, You're right. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, even though he managed to escape detection

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Speaker 1: of these women, he managed to war them into their lives.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, thank goodness for on Star? Could you just

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Speaker 1: in a nutshell tell us what OnStar is? On Star

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Speaker 1: is a feature that's found in certain vehicles, Nancy, that

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Speaker 1: is actually a satellite tracking so you can come in

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Speaker 1: with a GPS and track the position of the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: And if you're in an emergency, you can actually push

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Speaker 1: the button and it alerts on Star. That signal goes

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Speaker 1: up to a satellite attracts the position, and you know,

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Speaker 1: many times, many times people have been in accidents and

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Speaker 1: they can just hit this button and the on Star

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Speaker 1: operator will come on and it alert to the specific location.

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Speaker 1: The on Star operator will actually call the local nine eleven.

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Speaker 1: That's how specific this is to get them out to

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Speaker 1: your location because they know where you are. It's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: And people say, aren't you worried that you're beat up?

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Speaker 1: Minivan has navigation? And I'm like, no, aren't you worried

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Speaker 1: Alex is listening in on you. I'd just be mad

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Speaker 1: if she wasn't. If the fans want to hear Dave

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Speaker 1: and I arguing about who's going to clean out the

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Speaker 1: guinea pigs or are John David Lucy on their phones

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Speaker 1: too much? Answer yes, you know what, get after it,

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Speaker 1: just go right ahead. But all I can say is

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Speaker 1: thank God for on Star. Take a list our Tan

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Speaker 1: Lucas Geisler ABC seventeen. The Sheriff's Office has served two

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Speaker 1: search warrants in relation to this case. One was done

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Speaker 1: on the body of J. T. McLean himself at a

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Speaker 1: funeral home over in Sioux City, Iowa. The other, the

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Speaker 1: truck that belongs to the Saffan family in Miller County,

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Speaker 1: was found here this parking lot at the Country In

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Speaker 1: In Suites in Dakota Dunes is unincorporated area of Union County,

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Speaker 1: South Dakota near the Iowa and Nebraska border. That truck

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Speaker 1: was found through the help of on Star. That Chevy

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Speaker 1: Silverado was equipped with on Star technology, and using on

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Speaker 1: Star they were able to find him here in this

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Speaker 1: parking lot. On Star's role is pretty privotable, to say

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Speaker 1: the least. They're able to track the location of the

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Speaker 1: vehicle that mister McLean was in up in two right

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Speaker 1: into the parking lot of the Country in Sweets. They

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Speaker 1: found McLean in that truck and when they found him

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Speaker 1: he was dead with a gunshot wound. The Sheriff's office

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Speaker 1: says it's confident at this point they believe that he

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Speaker 1: shot himself. So all in that we know of J. T.

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Speaker 1: McLaine to the lives of five people, including himself, and

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Speaker 1: I can say with confidence four of those people we're

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Speaker 1: gonna miss. I guess he's riding in hell right now.

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Speaker 1: We can only hope. The point of our program today

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Speaker 1: is as we discuss who's come in contact with your child,

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Speaker 1: who at school, who at the gymnastics meet, who at

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Speaker 1: the kitty beauty pageant? We always look first close to home.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend,