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Take care. 20 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: The only thing that really stood between me and the 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: future I wanted for myself was money, but as it 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: turned out, money was the hardest thing to come by. 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: I did not know abortion funds existed, and as a 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: poor Latina and a deeply repressive and abusive home, there 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: were few places I knew to turn to. 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: From futuro media and RX It's Latino usay, I'm Maria 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: no Josa Today, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, what 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: exactly does it look like for our communities? 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: They just don't want abortion, but they have no plan 30 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: for what to do with women who are carrying parties 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: to term. 32 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: They have no plan to take care of women in 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: that respects. 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 5: More people need to be out here supporting the marginalized woman, 35 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 5: like black women, immigrant women, disabled women, and also trans 36 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 5: people too. 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: These are the voices of a generation that grew up 38 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: with the legal right to abortion. The women before them 39 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: fought to obtain it, now they fight to preserve it. 40 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 6: In the last two hours, an unprecedented leaked suggests a majority. 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: Of last month, the new site Politico published elite Supreme 42 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: Court document that suggests that the country's top court is 43 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: poised to overturn Roe v. Wait decision that legalized abortion 44 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: in the United States almost fifty years ago. The move 45 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: to rescind Roe would allow stay to individually place automatic 46 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: bans on abortion. 47 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 4: In Arkansas. 48 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 6: We are prepared to save the lives of unborn children. 49 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 6: We put a law in place in twenty nineteen that 50 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 6: we are essentially calling a trigger law, which will go 51 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 6: into effect in the event that the Court does, in 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 6: fact overturn Roe v. Wade in the Casey decision, which 53 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 6: would allow us to have a total ban on abortions. 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: At least twelve other states have already passed these so 55 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: called trigger laws. Now. While the leaked document isn't final, 56 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: it underlines a grim outlook for reproductive rights in the US. 57 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 7: Welcome everybody tonight Oklahoma's governor signing a new law criminalizing abortions, 58 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 7: one of the most severe in the country. 59 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 8: We want Oklahoma to be the most pro life state 60 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 8: in the country. 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 7: The new law now making it a felony to perform 62 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,559 Speaker 7: an abortion at any point in a known pregnancy, punishable 63 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 7: by up to ten years in prison the pregnant way. 64 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: In Texas, twenty six year old Lisel Herrera was charged 65 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: with murder last April. 66 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 9: Lazel Herrera was arrested Thursday, in Rio Grande City. 67 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: After authorities said she caused the death of an individual 68 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: by self induced abortion. 69 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 9: Was released from jail after posting a half a million 70 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 9: dollar bond. The DA's office released a statement in part saying, 71 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 9: in reviewing this case, it is clear that miss Herrera 72 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 9: cannot and should not be prosecuted for the allegation against her. 73 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: Many fear of the United States could become just one 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: of a handful of countries worldwide that have ruled back 75 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: abortion rights since the mid nineteen nineties. 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 10: El Salvador implemented a full ban on abortion in nineteen 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 10: ninety eight, including in cases of rape or incest. Women 78 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 10: who go to public hospitals after a miscarriage is sometimes 79 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 10: accused of murder and are charged with aggravated homicide. 80 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Making abortion illegal would disproportionately impact black and brown communities. Already, 81 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: sixty percent of patients obtaining abortions are people of color, 82 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: and seventy five percent are classified as low income or poor. 83 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: These are the same communities that already struggle the most 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: to access abortion in the first place. Some of the 85 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: states with the strictest laws against the procedure are also 86 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the ones with the highest poverty rates. In the country. 87 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: That means that for some patients, getting an abortion is 88 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: already virtually impossible. Black women and Latinas, many of whom 89 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: are black, also share common struggles money to pay for 90 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: the procedure, no means to travel hundreds, if not thousands 91 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: of miles to get to a provider. It's even more 92 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: difficult for undocumented immigrants, who risk detention and eventually deportation 93 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: by travel across state lines. Sixty percent of Latinos and 94 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Latinas and sixty eight percent of Black adults support the 95 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: right to choose an abortion, and this challenge to this 96 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: is happening during an election year, making the issue much 97 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: more urgent. 98 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 11: Should the Court adopt conservative positions, that might spur a 99 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 11: GOP turnout which retakes the House and Senate, or it 100 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 11: could motivate women and the young, which would advantage Democrats. 101 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Today, I'm joined by three guests from different backgrounds to 102 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: talk about not only the politics of abortion, but also 103 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: how this impacts our real lives. So welcome to Latino USA. 104 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: Tina Vasquez, an investigative journalist and a friend of Latino USA. 105 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: So welcome back, Lori. Bertram Roberts, your executive director of 106 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: the Yellowhammer Fund and Sabriina Rodriguez, your national political correspondent 107 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: at Politico. So I'm going to actually start because I 108 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: did have two abortions, so I am a part of 109 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: this conversation. And you know, when we think about why 110 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: is Roe v. Wade important? I am always bringing it 111 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: back to the fact that Roe v. Wade is a 112 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: legal decision based on a woman's right to privacy, period. 113 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm wondering for everybody it's different. So, actually, Tina, 114 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: when I asked you, so, why is Roe v. Wade 115 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: important to you? What's your answer? 116 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: I mean, the short answer is freedom. It means everything 117 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: to me to be able to decide if I have 118 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: children and I don't want to have children, and so 119 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: the idea that that will not be a constitutional right 120 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: in the United States terrifies me. I mean, as long 121 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: as I've been alive, roe v. Wade has been in place, 122 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: to me, is a huge blow for bodily autonomy. 123 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: Laurie, what does Roe v. Wade mean to you? 124 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 5: It's bodily autonomy, it's human rights, productive justice. To me, 125 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 5: it's not even just about having the right not to parent, 126 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 5: but sometimes it's when you have all of your rights. 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 5: You can find out whether or not you want to parent, right, 128 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: then you can be sure in the choice that you made. 129 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 5: But when you don't even have all of your options, 130 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: something is robbed from you. 131 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: Was it really your choice? 132 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 5: I don't want anyone to have an abortion that they 133 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: don't want. I don't want anyone to have a pregnancy 134 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 5: they don't want. And we can't have that without Rowe 135 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 5: because Roe is the floor, not the ceiling for rights. 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: In the context of the reporting that you do, Savarina 137 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: and the life you lead as a national correspondent at 138 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Politico dedicated to covering politics, when that question is asked 139 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: to you as a human being, what is your answer 140 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: as to why Roe v. Wade is important? 141 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: The debate around abortion rights has gone back and forth 142 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: for decades. But I'd almost say that I feel that 143 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: I've taken it for granted because it has been just rhetoric. 144 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 3: It has been just Okay, there's anti abortion activists that 145 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: are saying these things and want to do these things. 146 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, Roe vied weight 147 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: is there, and you know I still have that right. 148 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: Okay. 149 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 3: No, this politics that we've been hearing for all this 150 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: time is real and has very real life consequences in 151 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: a way that I think Washington reporters are often jaded, 152 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: so focused on the you know, intertal infighting and battle 153 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: about it all. 154 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 4: But this is real life. 155 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: This will affect people, This could cost lives. 156 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: It is going to be one of those moments where 157 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: you're like, well, so where were you when you heard 158 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: about the lead documents from the Supreme Court. I was 159 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: actually in bed. I think I may have been doom 160 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: scrolling on Instagram and I saw that political was breaking 161 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: this and I was like, wait, what. 162 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 2: Breaking news overnight of that shocky lik of that confidential 163 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: government document sparking concern nation. 164 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 3: And this is beyond unheard of that I am sitting 165 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: here holding. 166 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 9: We are here at the Supreme Court tonight, ahead of 167 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 9: what could be a seismic shift in American law. 168 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: And my reaction was like, I always thought this day 169 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: could happen. The anti abortion forces have not been playing 170 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: for decades. This is the Supreme Court that we have 171 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: facing us as women in the freest country of the world, 172 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: the greatest democracy of the world. And so there's a 173 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,479 Speaker 1: real sense of being slapped in the face and real hypocrisy. 174 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: But let's go around. Where were you, Tina when you 175 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: heard of it, and what was your gut reaction. 176 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: I was also in bed and I got an alert 177 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: on my phone, and I was surprised by how much 178 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: it hurt. I've covered sexual and reproductive health and rights 179 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: and justice for a while now I knew this moment 180 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 2: was coming eventually, but it's still hurt. 181 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Like hell, Laurie, I too was in bed. 182 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 5: And I picked up my phone and everyone was messaging me, 183 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 5: everyone on the staff, our staff slack was lighting up, 184 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, okay, well let me see 185 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 5: who released it. And then when I realized it was political, 186 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this is bad. When I started 187 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 5: reading what was in it, it was the naked cruelty 188 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 5: of it, and I just broke down in tears. I too, 189 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: was surprised at my own reaction because I've been planning 190 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 5: for this for years. I've been doing this work for 191 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 5: over a decade. You know, it's one thing to know 192 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 5: you're going to give birth, and it's another thing to 193 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 5: give birth, Like it's one thing to know that this 194 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 5: is coming, and then there's another thing to see it 195 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 5: in writing, and then to see the things that he 196 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 5: said was just unnecessarily cruel. 197 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: So seventy nine. You're at Politico. Sometimes when it's so big, 198 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: people within the organization don't know that a big story 199 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: is about to drop. But obviously you're the closest. So 200 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: where were you? What do you remember? 201 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: I have to laugh because we were all in bed too. 202 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: I was in bed also watching TV, scrolling through like 203 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: TikTok or Instagram or something at that point, and an 204 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: email came in maybe thirty minutes before the story came out, 205 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: from some of our editors saying, Hey, we want to 206 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: let you all know this incredibly sensitive story is going 207 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: to be coming out. Just keep an eye out. Please 208 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: do not get into Twitter fights over it. So my 209 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: initial reaction was like, oh God, what are we publishing like? 210 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: So I kept obsessively like refreshing the homepage. I kept 211 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: obsessively refreshing Twitter. And the first tweet that I saw 212 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: was from one of the authors, Josh Gerstein, and it 213 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: was shocking. 214 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: The reproductive rights conversation, the feminist movement, the women's movement 215 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: was of my generation. 216 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 12: No priest or politician, no doctor or any hospital administrator, 217 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 12: no government official or husband who should have the right 218 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 12: to force any woman to have a child against her will. 219 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: And so when Roe v. Wade became law, the image 220 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: of women dying from botched abortions was seared in my mind. 221 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: And so ten years later I ended up having to 222 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: actually have my own abortion. I'm like, I have this right. 223 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: This is something that I have grown up with. I 224 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: saw women fight for it, So that's kind of how 225 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: I approached abortion. Also, because I was not being raised 226 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: in my deeply Catholic Mexican family back in Mexico, Tina, 227 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: you actually had the opposite. Your family was much more 228 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: traditional and difficult. So as a little girl, what was 229 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: your perception of abortion and the conversation around reproductive rights. 230 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: You know, I still don't have a sense of how 231 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: my mom felt about those things. And my dad was 232 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: like the dominant force in our family. My dad is 233 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: a very traditional Mexican man. My dad is Catholic. And 234 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: my introduction to all of this was being a very 235 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: young person discovering feminism through punk rock and listening to 236 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: like Riot Girl music and Bikini Kill. So I've identified 237 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: as pro choice since I was eleven or twelve, and 238 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: it was like in direct opposition to everything that my 239 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: dad believed which made it more appealing to me. But 240 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: I think what really changed things for me was when 241 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: I was a younger reporter and I started reporting on 242 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: repro full time and learning about reproductive justice. That clicked 243 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: a lot of things into place for me, and it 244 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: changed how I thought about my own experiences from a 245 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: reproductive justice lens. 246 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: Laurie, what about you. 247 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: I was actually growing up in the Midwest. 248 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: I grew up with the white side of my family, 249 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 5: and they were very religious. Actually, I grew up in 250 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 5: the independent fundamentalist Baptist Church. So no pants, no excessive julie, 251 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 5: no makeup, women don't speak in the church purity culture. 252 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: I was born in seventy eight, so it was the eighties, 253 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 5: so it was the rise of the anti abortion movement. 254 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: President will not turn to Diane. So I have a 255 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: hair roound of questions, Diane. First, mister President, do you 256 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: consider abortion murder or a sin? 257 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 8: I have believed that in the appointment of judges that 258 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 8: all that was specified in the party platform was that 259 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 8: they respect the sanctity of human life. 260 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 4: Now that and I got steeped in all of that. 261 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 5: It was it was NonStop. Oh, you should be grateful 262 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 5: that your mom even gave birth to you because she 263 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 5: had the option to abort you, and obviously people pressured 264 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 5: her because your dad was black. 265 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: Wow, and this was actually said to you as a 266 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: little girl, what ten twelve years old? 267 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: Oh like seven eight? 268 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Wow. 269 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 5: We were always told like we were survivors of the 270 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 5: abortion Holocaust. 271 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: And I got. 272 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 5: Pregnant at sixteen, and I got married because that's what 273 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 5: you do when you're religious and you've sinned for Jesus. 274 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: And then I mean, I got older and I needed 275 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: an abortion. 276 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 5: And also I almost died in the Catholic hospital because 277 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 5: I was having a miscarriage and they would not give 278 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 5: me an abortion because the embryo still had a heartbeat, 279 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: and they were like, go home and don't come back 280 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 5: unless you're hemorrhaging. And so I didn't come back until 281 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 5: I was hemorrhaging, and I almost died because Catholic hospitals 282 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: effectively were in practice right now, like a post row existence. 283 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 5: A lot of people don't realize that. 284 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: Perhaps there is no one who grew up with more 285 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of an awareness of abortion as a reality than you. 286 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: So somebody, now, what about you. 287 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 4: In my household? 288 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 3: I grew up in South Florida, Miami Cuban family and 289 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: Maya Weela from a young age would have very public 290 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: and open conversations in front of me about abortion and 291 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: about her you know, supporting it. You seeing the reaction 292 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: that she's had to this, her saying the Bataan de 293 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: galencia and just saying, you know what this means for 294 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: her to be living through this. And she's ninety two now, 295 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: so for her, she kind of can't believe that this 296 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 3: is where we're at. 297 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino Usay, we go deep into the 298 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: real life implications of having an abortion for women of 299 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: color and the impact this issue might have in this 300 00:17:46,800 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: year's mid term elections. Stay with us, Yes, Hey, we're back. 301 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking about what it would look like if Roe v. 302 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: Wade is overturned for communities of color, and I'm joined 303 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: by Tinavasquez, seventy nine Rodriguez, and Laurie Bertram Roberts. Let's 304 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: jump back to our conversation. Now, we all recognize in 305 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the overturning of Roe V. Wade, the people who most 306 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: will be affected are the people who are poor, economically disadvantaged, 307 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: do not have access to information, i e. Resources, the 308 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: ability to have transportation, time, off, and actually, Tina, you 309 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: know what I read your personal essay about this. You 310 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: really encompassed that. So I'm wondering if you could please 311 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: share with a fragment of what you recently wrote for 312 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: Prism Reports. 313 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: Okay, the only thing that really stood between me and 314 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: the future I wanted for myself was money. But as 315 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: it turned out, money was the hardest thing to come by. 316 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 2: I did not know abortion funds existed, and as a 317 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 2: poor Latina and a deeply repressive and abusive home, there 318 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: were few places I knew to turn to. At the time, 319 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: I did not have the kind of relationship with my 320 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: parents that would have made it safe to ask them 321 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: for help. I'm certain my father would have beaten me 322 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: and forced me to become a parent, but I also 323 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: knew my parents didn't have a dollar to spare. 324 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: Thank you, Tina, can you actually start us off in 325 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: this conversation with your very personal moment when you're nineteen 326 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: years old and you're carrying a pregnancy that you did 327 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: not want. 328 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: I was trying to save money for my abortion, and 329 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: my partner was substant dependent and he knew where I 330 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 2: was saving my money, and he would take it, and 331 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: he would use it for drugs, and so I had 332 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: to reschedule my appointment a couple of times, and I 333 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: became increasingly desperate. But at the end of the day, 334 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: I told my partner's mom that I couldn't pay for 335 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: my community college textbooks, and she gave me the money. 336 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: And that's how I wasn't eventually able to do it. 337 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: I didn't drive, so getting to the clinic was also 338 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: really challenging. I was living at home. I couldn't talk 339 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: to my parents about any of it. And even then, 340 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: among other people's stories i've heard, especially folks who are undocumented, 341 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: folks who live in the South, disabled folks like that, 342 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: I had a pretty easy experience, and I lived in California, 343 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: which is widely thought of as a state where abortion 344 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: access comes pretty easy to people you know. And the 345 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: piece I talk about how I would pray that I 346 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: could get the money to have an abortion, or I 347 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: would pray that I would have the courage to kill myself, 348 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: because I felt every moment that I was pregnant and 349 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: I didn't want to be was agonizing to me. 350 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: These are the things, These are the real life things. 351 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: If you're a young woman and you end up pregnant Laurie, 352 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: this is the work that you do on a daily 353 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: basis in Alabama, which in many ways is a state 354 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: where it already kind of operates as if right. Yeah, 355 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: access to abortion is so so, I mean, I know 356 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: the state of Miseri there is one clinic, and Mississippi 357 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: as well. So when you hear that Roe v. Wade 358 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: could likely be overturned, tell us about who you know 359 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: will be affected most and describe for us what it 360 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: actually will look like. 361 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 5: You know, the challenges that we help people get around 362 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 5: and the barriers that we help them get around, a 363 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 5: very similar to Tina story. 364 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: Right. 365 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 4: We help them make sure they can get to their 366 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 4: appointments safely. 367 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 5: We help them navigate being in domestic abusive situations. Sometimes 368 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 5: we help them get their safety plans. Sometimes they help 369 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 5: them refer them to services. Sometimes getting their abortion is 370 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 5: the first step on getting out of that situation. 371 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 4: Maybe they have the money. 372 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 5: For their appointment, but maybe they just need help making 373 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 5: sure they can eat, plan out a timeline so nobody 374 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 5: finds out that they went. Maybe they need to go 375 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: to a clinic further away because they go to a 376 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 5: Christian school and they can't be seen by protesters. So 377 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 5: there's all kinds of reasons why people call for our help, 378 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 5: and it's not always because they're low income. But let's 379 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 5: be honest, for most working class, even lower middle class people, 380 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 5: who has six hundred to twelve hundred dollars just sitting 381 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 5: around that they can just give up freely, A lot 382 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 5: of people don't. And that's just the money for the procedure. 383 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: That's not money to fill their pirsons ription that they 384 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 5: might have for antibiotics or pain meds. That's not for 385 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 5: the gas to get there and back. And most people 386 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 5: have to drive two to three hours already, if not four, 387 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 5: and that's two trips because of the waiting periods where 388 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 5: they have to go to one appointment and then come 389 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 5: back in twenty four or seventy two hours depending on 390 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 5: the state. There's just barrier upon barrier upon barrier. And 391 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 5: I don't even want to get started on the barriers 392 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 5: for undocumented people because most clinics you have to have 393 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 5: an ID, so that's an additional barrier for undocumented community, 394 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 5: but also for the black community, which is overly counted 395 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 5: amongst those who don't have IDs. If you're a minor 396 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 5: in Mississippi, you have to have both of your parents consent. 397 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 5: If you don't have both of them, then the parent 398 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 5: who's your guardian has to go and write a letter 399 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: and have it notarized. You know, all of these things 400 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 5: that a lot of people who are low income don't 401 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 5: have easy access to. So I'm sorry the answer was 402 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 5: so long. 403 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to apologize for it being 404 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: a long answer, because I think part of what you're 405 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: saying is it is very complicated now, Sabodina, you know, 406 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: for many young Latinos and latin As, the first political 407 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: protest they're going to go to is probably not an 408 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: pro immigrant rights demonstration, as some people might suspect, it's 409 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: actually an anti abortion protest, because if you're going to church, 410 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: that might be how you're being raised. So can you 411 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what you see in terms 412 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: of how Roe v. Wade turning back might impact these 413 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: communities that are at odds and hypocritical about their stance 414 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: on abortion. 415 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: Maria, you know that you and I could spend days 416 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 3: talking about all the misconceptions about Latinos on such a 417 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: range of issues, But on abortion, I mean, we've seen 418 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: poll after poll in recent years show us that actually 419 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 3: a majority of Latinos and Latinas do support safe access 420 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 3: to abortion and potentially oppose a politician that is trying 421 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: to restrict access to abortions. And it is complicated when 422 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,239 Speaker 3: we add in the religious aspect of it because so 423 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: many people have been brought up in the church. So 424 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: you hear Democrats saying, oh, this is absolutely going to 425 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: bring out Latinos to vote in November. This is absolutely 426 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 3: going to energize them because they don't necessarily have as 427 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: conservative views, and then we hear Republicans saying, okay, no, 428 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 3: but if you have a strong Catholic belief then you 429 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 3: automatically must be against abortions, or you grew up in 430 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 3: the evangelical church, or your family is part of it, 431 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 3: then you're going to be more likely to be anti abortion. 432 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: So there is absolutely a mix of. 433 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: Opinions on what this will ultimately mean. 434 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: But the growing young Latino population do lean liberal, they 435 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 3: do lean progressive. They are more mobilized on issues like this, 436 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: So it's really hard to imagine that across the country. 437 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: And I'll speak more specifically about battleground states where they 438 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: are incredibly influential. So places like Arizona, Texas, Georgia, Nevada. 439 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 3: These are places where I think there is very much 440 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: potential for this issue to move people, and to move 441 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 3: young Latinos who, Yeah, maybe we're brought up in the 442 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: Catholic Church, but it doesn't even have to be that 443 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: they're rejecting the church, but don't see that as an 444 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 3: essential piece of them being a good Catholic. I say, 445 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 3: the air quotes good Catholic, but just that it doesn't 446 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: have to be one and the same. 447 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 5: If you look at who's in the abortion fund movement, 448 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 5: it's mostly young folks who are under forty. And if 449 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 5: you look at in the battleground states, who's running those funds, 450 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 5: especially in Texas, that's who's running the funds. I mean 451 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 5: La Fronterra Fund, like all that stuff down in the RGV. 452 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 5: That's not white folks. They're not in black folks. So 453 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 5: the abortion funding is coming from within the community that 454 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: is being served. 455 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: Love that. Thank you all right, Tina. So let's turn 456 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: to the midterms. Do you think that what could happen 457 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court will get Latino and Latina voters 458 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: to turn out? And if they do turnout, do you 459 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: think that they're going to be turning out for the 460 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Democratic Party or the Republican Party. 461 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: I think people are increasingly resentful about being told that 462 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: they could vote our way out of this. I mean, 463 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 2: Democrats are in power now and we're seeing some of 464 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: the worst attacks on bodily autonomy, not just Roe versus Wade, 465 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: but on gender affirming care. So we're seeing really disgusting, 466 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: unprecedented attacks when Joe Biden is in office. Sincerely, I'm 467 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: very unclear on how this will shake out. I don't 468 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: know if this will mobilize people to vote. People are 469 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: very frustrated by what is happening and the continued push 470 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: to tell them to vote to change things when they 471 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: do vote, and it's not changing things. 472 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: So somebody, now, again your temperature check on Latino and 473 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: lets voters and how and if this is going to 474 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: mobilize them during the midterms. 475 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: I hate to be pessimistic, but I think covering politics 476 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 3: to some extent has made me fairly pessimistic. To be honest, 477 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 3: I think it becomes hard for Democratic candidates and lawmakers 478 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 3: looking to be re elected to head towards November and say, 479 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 3: you know, you have to come out and vote for 480 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: us again to protect abortion rights when we're seeing firsthand 481 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 3: that they are unable to do that. We're seeing a 482 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 3: lot of people disillusion with the Democratic Party saying, you know, 483 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: you always come and court our vote, and especially Latinos 484 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: and black voters, I would argue, and when it comes 485 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: time to deliver for us, you don't come through. And 486 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: I think that that's something that the Democratic Party is 487 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 3: going to have to reckon with. I will say the 488 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 3: one bright spot is maybe if Democrats can message better 489 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 3: on the stakes at the state level, A lot of 490 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: governor's races this year could ultimately determine what different states 491 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 3: are going to do on this states like Wisconsin, Michigan, 492 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania where if the governorship flips, the states really are high. 493 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: If the governorships flip to Republican, there will likely be 494 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 3: abortion bands and that enforcement. So on that front, I'm 495 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: really curious to see if this does impact state house 496 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: races and make people a little bit more aware of 497 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: what their local and state. 498 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 4: Politics looks like. 499 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: But it's hard because so much of the money that's 500 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 3: spent on midterms is on these federal races, where people 501 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: already have a perception of Congress as being ineffective. 502 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: All right, So, Lorie, what's your take. 503 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: When it comes to the Women's Health Protection Act and 504 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 5: other things, voting rights, anything that they are not passing 505 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 5: in the Senate. 506 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 4: Currently they don't have the votes. 507 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 5: So we all know that they could remove the filibuster 508 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: and they could pass these things by majority if they 509 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 5: just figured out a way. This is politics. We know 510 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 5: there's always a way to make a way. Stuff is 511 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 5: on the line, people's rights are on the line. Get 512 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 5: it done. Nobody is going to come out and vote 513 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 5: for them if all of this happens. And I'm not 514 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 5: impressed with people not focusing on the state level races 515 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 5: because that's how we got here. Because literally, how we 516 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 5: ended up with the trigger band in Mississippi is because 517 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 5: pro life democrats voted for it when they had control 518 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 5: of the Senate in Mississippi. 519 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: I want to end doing a quick round robin kind 520 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: of an emotional check in, because we started with an 521 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 1: emotional check in. But this one is going to be 522 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: for you, Lourie. Are you feeling like, no, we got 523 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: this or are you feeling more doom and gloom? 524 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 5: I Sam somewhere in the middle right, I'm like, we 525 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 5: got this. If we got to, ah, man, do we 526 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 5: gotta Could y'all make it so? 527 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 4: We ain't got to? I mean, we can, but I 528 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 4: don't want to, you. 529 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 5: Know what I mean, Because we've been planning for this 530 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 5: for a long time, teaching people about self managed abortion 531 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 5: and how to stay safe while they take mesoprosto. We 532 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 5: didn't invent that women in Brazil, did. We learned from 533 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 5: the women in South America, and frankly from women in Texas. 534 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 5: Like the rest of the nation learned from Texas, right, 535 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 5: and from people in the RGB. Everybody's like, oh, this 536 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 5: new thing, abortioned by mail and from pills overseas. No, 537 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 5: people have been doing this for a while. It's just like, 538 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 5: do y'all really want this? Like this world where people 539 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: have to go a thousand miles to get a procedure 540 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 5: or they might be criminalized for taking pills, where states 541 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 5: are already making it so they can charge people with murder. 542 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 4: Do we want to be El Salvador in that way? 543 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 6: Like? 544 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 5: I mean, so maybe people could act more urgently over 545 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 5: there in DC, maybe you know, Capitol Hill could get 546 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 5: on it. 547 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: Well, I guess that was just the same way to 548 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: you A Sabrina Laurie took us to Washington, d C. 549 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: So what's your temperature check? 550 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 3: I hope that the attention on this keeps up and 551 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: the energy on this up, because something that has often 552 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 3: been frustrating in Washington, DC is to see, oh, there's 553 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: momentum and discussion around an issue for a month, and 554 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: then oh suddenly it takes the backseat to the next 555 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: sexy subject because they know they can't get it done, 556 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 3: so then they pick something new to you know, make 557 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: the pet project and the focus for the week. So 558 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 3: I really hope that that doesn't happen with an issue 559 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: as important and just as historic as this opinion would be, 560 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: you know, when it officially comes out. And one of 561 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 3: the things that I care a lot about though is 562 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: journalists right now, including myself being in DC, have a 563 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: huge responsibility to get this right and to hopefully not 564 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: stick to the DC bubble really look outside to what 565 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: the real life impact is going to be in all 566 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 3: these individual states and how it impacts different communities. 567 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: And Diina, just before we leave, just doing an emotional 568 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: check in with. 569 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 2: You, I feel I'm feeling very conflicted things. Laurie. I'm sorry, 570 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 2: but personally I am deeply relying on the leadership of 571 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: abortion funds and reproductive justice. 572 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 4: Advocates will be here. 573 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: I know that people will be able to continue to 574 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 2: access abortion because of them, and I'm certainly turning to 575 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: them for guidance and leadership. On the other hand, I 576 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: also am really really afraid. I think that we're going 577 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 2: to enter kind of a new era for criminalization. You know, 578 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 2: if you look at people that access abortion the most, 579 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 2: their low income folks, and together black and Latino people 580 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: make up the biggest population of abortion patients. These are 581 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: exactly the same communities that are already surveiled and over 582 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: policed and criminalized and disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system. 583 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: And I'm especially thinking about undocumented folks who live in 584 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: states where they are going to have to combent anti 585 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: abortion and anti immigrant laws, and they live with that 586 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: kind of intersection. So I feel very conflicted. I'm glad 587 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: that we have people like Lori, and I'm also really 588 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 2: really terrified for how things are going to shake out 589 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: in the next few months. 590 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: Tina, Lori Savanina, thank you so much for joining me 591 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: on Latino USA and for sharing all the facts and 592 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: also for bringing your personal stories tied to this issue 593 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: where we really appreciate it. 594 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you. 595 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Patricia Sulbaran and edited by 596 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: Andrea Lopez Grusado. It was mixed by Julia Caruso. 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