Speaker 1: Yo, this food not only beat the case got his
Speaker 1: homies sentence reduced so much so that the prosecution doesn't
Speaker 1: quit their job. And now you're gonna fire everybody that
Speaker 1: actually sung to the police. I mean, how are you
Speaker 1: supposed to go back to work anyway after you didn't
Speaker 1: like testified? Oh, they're losing their jobs because and already
Speaker 1: have that's a boss move. Who politics, y'all? So in
Speaker 1: this episode of hood Politics, We're gonna sort of take
Speaker 1: the premise and flip it on its head. What do
Speaker 1: I mean by that? We're gonna take our hood antennas
Speaker 1: and not so much user to understand politics, but to
Speaker 1: understand other people and how politics affects them and maybe
Speaker 1: see ourselves in people that one don't believe me and
Speaker 1: you are like already and two you probably I kind
Speaker 1: of don't want to see yourself in. So we interviewed
Speaker 1: my homegirl, Niche, who brands this pod called Impolite Politics.
Speaker 1: First of all, Nis is brilliant and there's not enough
Speaker 1: words to express how amazing she is and how necessary
Speaker 1: she is for the culture. So I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 1: her about a lot of things. Check it all right, ladies,
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, this is a special episode. Uh, We're going
Speaker 1: across town, across the railroad tracks, up the street, around
Speaker 1: the ConA, all the way to Salt Lakes City, Utah. Y'all,
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to pronounce your last number. One.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about being addressed as
Speaker 1: the girl from the other side of the tracks. Okay,
Speaker 1: my last name is Wi. This is Nishi, y'all, make
Speaker 1: some noise for Nish. What's up? Names we're calling this
Speaker 1: one would politics because I live in the woods actually
Speaker 1: like an Idaho now, which is crazy. Are you an Idhodho?
Speaker 1: It's even like I'm in central Idaho. I'm in a
Speaker 1: tiny rural town of about three thousand people. So this
Speaker 1: is about to get real. You're about to How are
Speaker 1: you doing that? Can talk about that? Do talk about
Speaker 1: that a little later. Well, you probably have much more
Speaker 1: land than I do, and probably probably it smells amazing
Speaker 1: like pine trees outside. That's that's kind of amazing. Like
Speaker 1: there are times like I'm definitely like a water soul,
Speaker 1: like like in the sense that like I need a
Speaker 1: beach somewhere within an hour. But um, yeah, but some
Speaker 1: people are like you know, mountain souls and like forest souls.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that like this, So when
Speaker 1: I get there and the smell of like the pine tree,
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, this is it's nice. So this
Speaker 1: is so this is oxygen. That's where it all comes. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. It's so nice. It's peaceful, it's quiet. We
Speaker 1: moved here like three years ago, almost three years ago
Speaker 1: in March, and it's one of the weirdest things. We
Speaker 1: moved from Salt Lake City and we lived across the
Speaker 1: street from like the grocery store, bus stop apartment complexes
Speaker 1: next door. It's just like noise all the time, like
Speaker 1: you live in the city, you know, there's just ants,
Speaker 1: constant hum all the time. And moving from there to
Speaker 1: the woods, literally the woods, it took me weeks to
Speaker 1: be able to false leave because it was silent. It
Speaker 1: was silent outside. I'm like where I like, had you
Speaker 1: start using white noise machine. I was like, this little
Speaker 1: weird nightmare. So everything okay, it feels a little serial
Speaker 1: killer ish, but we're gonna We're gonna get over it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's so funny. So this is a is
Speaker 1: a political expert, brilliant home Girl, super Dope, so glad
Speaker 1: to do this. Um, we're gonna get girl. You already know.
Speaker 1: Here's what sparked this episode to catch everybody up. I
Speaker 1: was during the two thousand and sixteen election, like listening
Speaker 1: to the complaints of like the coal miner, like just
Speaker 1: trying not to you know that at that time, like
Speaker 1: it was okay to sort of peek into somebody else's
Speaker 1: echo chamber and just learn something back then you do.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was like it wasn't
Speaker 1: as like, um sacrilegious, right, So oh, I was just
Speaker 1: speaking and I was just like I'm trying to hear.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say, like
Speaker 1: help me understand your argument. I'm listening to a call
Speaker 1: of mine. I'm listening to like people talk about just
Speaker 1: like opioids, painkillers and stuff like that. And then just
Speaker 1: like trying to get my brain around these laws and
Speaker 1: like you know, meth and stuff like that. Like we've
Speaker 1: always thought that like meth was like that's like a
Speaker 1: that's a white drug. Obviously, drugs are indiscriminate. Drugs are
Speaker 1: the most tolerant, right thing that we have. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in relation to where they were going,
Speaker 1: what was happening, who's being affected, and how the justice
Speaker 1: system was treating people involved in this. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is super familiar, like you know in listening to
Speaker 1: when someone's an addict being like so so the solution
Speaker 1: to this addiction has put them in prison. That's like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I where did y'all get Where
Speaker 1: did that come from? Right? And the pusher, who's who's
Speaker 1: being Who's who's like selling these drugs? It depended on
Speaker 1: what level of the chain of product, Like the product
Speaker 1: chain depends on where you are in the product chain
Speaker 1: as to like how much time you're gonna get right.
Speaker 1: So in me, it was this just looks like it
Speaker 1: just looks like the crack attack. It just looks like
Speaker 1: I know where the crack came from, the CIA. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying like this saying like you we
Speaker 1: don't like you brought like y'all brought this here. No
Speaker 1: one's nobody going to jail except for the distributor. You know.
Speaker 1: So when I'm looking at this, I just look at
Speaker 1: the Sackler family and you know this, these other like
Speaker 1: companies that knowing full well what they're selling these people
Speaker 1: is killing them, Like when it when are they going
Speaker 1: to jail? Right? You know, where is the rehabilitation part
Speaker 1: of this? Right? So it just almost made me feel
Speaker 1: like you put the same ingredients into any situation, what's
Speaker 1: gonna come out is this. It's crimes of survival, it's addiction.
Speaker 1: Is somebody saying, look it better your family to my
Speaker 1: family is not like it is not like there's jobs, right,
Speaker 1: So what do you want me to do? You want
Speaker 1: to go get a job? Like where where I'd love
Speaker 1: to go get a job where? So that made me say,
Speaker 1: I think, I think we have more in common than
Speaker 1: we know. Yeah, that's exactly right. And I think that
Speaker 1: so much of the problem is inherent across cultures, which
Speaker 1: is especially when it comes to drug addiction, opioid addiction,
Speaker 1: alcohol abuse, like you name it right, like that there
Speaker 1: is a fundamental taboo and misunderstanding about the nature of
Speaker 1: addictive substances and people's propensity for addiction, and that it
Speaker 1: is a mental health tragedy. It is a it is
Speaker 1: a it's a crisis. It's a mental health addiction is
Speaker 1: a mental health crisis. That's what it is. And the
Speaker 1: more that we can identify it for what it actually is.
Speaker 1: I think the more will probably see some forward movement
Speaker 1: on things like opioids and that sort of thing that
Speaker 1: you know we see affect our community, which you know,
Speaker 1: we do have, you know, math opiate use, severe alcoholism
Speaker 1: where we live, and a lot of that is perpetuated
Speaker 1: by poor economic mobility, poor economic stability, and unaddressed mental
Speaker 1: health issues. Tell me how that looks on the ground
Speaker 1: in the family unit where you live, Like what does
Speaker 1: that look like? Like, I know what it looks like
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, we're all in this together. Um,
Speaker 1: you got one uncle that's hooked, one uncle that sells,
Speaker 1: I'm going to jail. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: just like what it's doing to our mom, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like, you know, and you're kind of
Speaker 1: caught in the middle. Like then, like you said, there's
Speaker 1: no economic stability, Like how you know, how do you
Speaker 1: look at your mom working three jobs and being like,
Speaker 1: I know, if I just make this caper right quick,
Speaker 1: three months worth the rent, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I know it looks like so maybe like lay this out,
Speaker 1: like how does this look to the family. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's a really great question. And I think that in
Speaker 1: regards to opia use and abuse in particularly in in
Speaker 1: our community, I think a lot of what you'll see
Speaker 1: is is it starts with someone going to the hospital,
Speaker 1: right because they have an unaddressed health need, and they
Speaker 1: go into an e ER because they don't actually have
Speaker 1: health insurance, right like that, Like this is what I say,
Speaker 1: Like there's all these layers, right, and so they don't
Speaker 1: have health insurance, they don't have healthcare coverage, so they
Speaker 1: can't afford to go to a clinic to actually determine
Speaker 1: what is wrong, and so they go into an e
Speaker 1: R knowing that they can't be denied care. The e
Speaker 1: R it's a small rural hospital, e R is overloaded.
Speaker 1: They have a pain issue, they get prescribed pain killers,
Speaker 1: and then from there it's a downward spiral and then
Speaker 1: the ease of which pain killers are being made available
Speaker 1: kind of across the spectrum, whether it's through illegal dealing
Speaker 1: over prescriptions like you name it, the problem just gets
Speaker 1: perpetuated and perpetuated. So as it pertains to the family unit,
Speaker 1: do we see you know, one families addicted, one families
Speaker 1: in jail, or like one one family members in jail,
Speaker 1: one family. I don't I don't know, I don't have
Speaker 1: the statistics on that, but I do know that, like
Speaker 1: does it affect the family writ large? Of course, of course,
Speaker 1: because then you're going to see like that person as
Speaker 1: they as they grow more addicted, unable to meet the
Speaker 1: needs of their child, which then the child performs poorly
Speaker 1: in school, which then there's behavior issues, which then like
Speaker 1: it's right, it's the self perfort almost like the self
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy, especially for young children being in homes that are,
Speaker 1: you know, stricken with addiction for something that wasn't ever
Speaker 1: anyone's fault. It's awful. It's awful. Yeah, the layers is
Speaker 1: what makes me so interested, Like that what what we
Speaker 1: call an injustice work interlocking systems of injustice where the
Speaker 1: layers make sense. So unemployment in the woods, right, it's
Speaker 1: something I find I also find interesting, right because inter
Speaker 1: city issues. It's like, well, you know, if there's no
Speaker 1: there's no jobs here because the you know, these gross unilizations,
Speaker 1: but because this corporation figured out that like well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not a there's not a useful workforce, so like
Speaker 1: why would I stay you know, what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: or I can pay someone else cheaper, right, you know,
Speaker 1: so just all of those and then even if the
Speaker 1: workforce comes in, they probably got they probably all carrying strikes,
Speaker 1: they all got you know, NIX on their on their record,
Speaker 1: you know, meaning their cons you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like, so if I have I've already committed
Speaker 1: a felony, if I'm trying to be better, what do
Speaker 1: you It's not like I could go can go get work? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Because so there's the there's the criminal criminal justice, in
Speaker 1: equality part of it, there's like a resources a part
Speaker 1: of it, and then for us just the overall just
Speaker 1: racial under its own practice us being brown people. But
Speaker 1: I'm interested in what that looks like, you know, for
Speaker 1: the rule worker, you know, the person who's like I
Speaker 1: think it's also very interesting you talk about people who
Speaker 1: have just knowed how to work with their hands, if
Speaker 1: that's what they know, you know what that does psychologically
Speaker 1: to again the psyche of of of the neighborhood. There
Speaker 1: you can make maybe talk a little bit about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely So right down the road about forty minutes forty
Speaker 1: miles from us, it's a town that used to have
Speaker 1: a giant lumber mill, Okay, and so they I mean
Speaker 1: obviously very manual labor. The whole town, like a huge
Speaker 1: chunk of the town was employed by this lumber mill. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: the lumber mill closed for a lot of different reasons.
Speaker 1: A lot of it like it's actually cheaper to get
Speaker 1: a lot of our lumber and wood from China, which
Speaker 1: we can talk about that later, but there's exactly so
Speaker 1: there's there is a lot there. There's just a lot
Speaker 1: of factors, automation, you name it, their lack of need
Speaker 1: for building supplies during this particular downturn. So the lumber
Speaker 1: mill closed. And when it is located in a town,
Speaker 1: a rural town with no other metro area in its vicinity,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have a giant population of
Speaker 1: this town that's found unemployed. And they are found unemployed,
Speaker 1: but they have been employed by this lumber mill, which
Speaker 1: has a very particular set of skills needed to work there.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that is manual labor, right So
Speaker 1: you talk about that like work with your hands. A
Speaker 1: lot of it was just based on the economics of
Speaker 1: the town for years and years and years, and now
Speaker 1: it's um it's just not available. And so unemployment is
Speaker 1: intricately tied to industries throughout the world that are beinging
Speaker 1: um impacted by things like automation, by trade by you know,
Speaker 1: lower prices that you can find elsewhere, and so it
Speaker 1: is affecting rural America, and that unemployment aspect is brutally
Speaker 1: hard for people, particularly in rural areas, because it's really
Speaker 1: not much different than in the urban areas. Right because
Speaker 1: economic mobility and the ability to find a job based
Speaker 1: on you know, whatever those you know, points of impact are,
Speaker 1: it's equally difficult. Even though they're they're they're different, it's
Speaker 1: still near impossible to go find the job anywhere close
Speaker 1: to town because there's nowhere to get a job where. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where the just just like your question, where am I
Speaker 1: going to do that? Totally in the same way that
Speaker 1: I'm going Look, man, I am like you cut me open,
Speaker 1: saltwater comes out like like I am Pacific Ocean, California,
Speaker 1: saut like Los Angeles. But if you were to tell me, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a job that could pay you this much, if
Speaker 1: you'd be will to move to I don't know, Columbus, Ohio,
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's not a job in the world that's
Speaker 1: gonna make me leave the West, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because it's like this is what that is my family,
Speaker 1: This is my unit. And what I what I also
Speaker 1: know about, like these rural communities have that are also
Speaker 1: very similar to the hood, is like our family ties
Speaker 1: are so much more than just blood. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like I lived across the street from
Speaker 1: this kid since we were in preschool. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that is my cousin. Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what else to tell you. That's my cousin.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna like what do you you learn
Speaker 1: how to create this whole economy among itself in the
Speaker 1: sense of like I need a transmission fixed, or you
Speaker 1: know my oil leak? Is my car's leaking oil? Okay,
Speaker 1: homeway down the street? Like here, let me bring you
Speaker 1: a six pack of coronas. Can you work on this out?
Speaker 1: You need babysitter? Okay, good, my sister's home, so like
Speaker 1: my sister will watch your children. You fix this. Anybody
Speaker 1: need a ride, I'm gonna go to the store. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We like even on my street,
Speaker 1: right now like we do when we do like you know,
Speaker 1: trader jail runs or whatever the case may be, Like
Speaker 1: we text each other, you need anything, anything, because it's
Speaker 1: just like this is our family. So if I leave
Speaker 1: because of some job, like I'm not just leaving to
Speaker 1: get work, like I'm leaving an entire kinship unit, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's not as simple as just being like yo,
Speaker 1: I'm out, Like no, it just we won't have like
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of times people forget like
Speaker 1: the nuclear family kind of a function of economics. You
Speaker 1: can pay for extended families, you pay for babysitters, you
Speaker 1: pay for nannies, you pay for this. Let me pay
Speaker 1: for that. My neighbor does it, you know, right? And
Speaker 1: I think that there's so many people in our generation
Speaker 1: and the generations behind us, have this mentality of like, oh,
Speaker 1: well there's this job, I'll just pick up and move right.
Speaker 1: But for there are so many people in different communities
Speaker 1: where you are intimately tied to a place like who
Speaker 1: you are, you're identity, your your your culture, everything that
Speaker 1: you know, your fans, like all of it is in
Speaker 1: a particular place, and it's like who am I if
Speaker 1: I'm not here? Who am I that. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what we think, right if I'm not from here? Who?
Speaker 1: And ultimately what you said about it being an issue
Speaker 1: of economics, that's exactly right, because this idea of getting
Speaker 1: the ability to pack up and move to another state.
Speaker 1: Number One, can we talk about moving costs? Holy crap,
Speaker 1: we just did it. It's so pensive to rent track,
Speaker 1: get the boxes and do all the things and sell
Speaker 1: the house and whatever. It's so expensive. Number when you
Speaker 1: have moving costs. Number Two, if you have kids, like
Speaker 1: your job that you're picking up and leaving for better
Speaker 1: pay enough to pay for childcare because you're moving away
Speaker 1: from grandma and grandpa or that anti or whatever that
Speaker 1: is built in childcare that you don't have to pay for,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're looking at all of
Speaker 1: these incurring costs and this job that is gonna pay
Speaker 1: what maybe ten twelve thousand dollars more than what you
Speaker 1: make right now, which is nominal, not even going to
Speaker 1: scripe the surface of childcare coverage is like, it's just
Speaker 1: not worth it. And so we have this um kind
Speaker 1: of mentality in this generation and the generation behind us
Speaker 1: going like with this, it's a mentality that it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's just a fundamental lack of understanding of someone's tied
Speaker 1: to a particular place and how important that is, how
Speaker 1: actually beautiful that is, and are ties to our culture,
Speaker 1: our ties to our location is really really great. For
Speaker 1: lack of better farm like, it's just it's important. And
Speaker 1: I think that we do a disservice to a lot
Speaker 1: of people by kind of looking down on it and
Speaker 1: not treating it as something of value. I don't know
Speaker 1: so good. So I think that like these these systems,
Speaker 1: this idea of like man, like I'm from here, I'm
Speaker 1: born here, I'm gonna die here, Like I want to
Speaker 1: make this work right at some point with all the issues,
Speaker 1: Like at some point you're gonna ask yourself like, okay,
Speaker 1: well now we need a villain, like well then why
Speaker 1: is it? And I feel like um, which brings us
Speaker 1: to the next part of this, like where we could
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the answer in tariffs and
Speaker 1: um who who created all of our problems? Right, which
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times feeds the racism that's cinophobia,
Speaker 1: Like it needs a lot those things, because you got it.
Speaker 1: If it's not our fault, right, if we didn't ask
Speaker 1: for this situation. It came from somewhere, right. So one
Speaker 1: thing that I've noticed about our Democratic candidates is like,
Speaker 1: depending on who where you're standing to be on, to
Speaker 1: be on somebody's team, you gotta hate those dudes. Like
Speaker 1: there's a there's a those dudes, right, So like kind
Speaker 1: of scratches the same itch I think that Donald Trump scratch,
Speaker 1: which is like, yo, your problem is those people, and
Speaker 1: I'm here to protect you from those people. Now, granted
Speaker 1: he's making up shit I'm saying, like that's like, that's
Speaker 1: what you're saying is verifiably not true, right, And he's
Speaker 1: just making boss moves, getting his homies off, you know, buying,
Speaker 1: buying the judges. You feel me like just super hood, right,
Speaker 1: And part of me feels like I getting a slight
Speaker 1: satisfaction in seeing, uh, the rest of America rit large
Speaker 1: see what poor and brown communities have always known the
Speaker 1: criminal justice to be. Like you just just like if
Speaker 1: you've got enough money, you find what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: they always okay, yeah, but but like you gotta have
Speaker 1: a like the problem is them. If you're you know,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a Bernie Bro, then like well,
Speaker 1: the problems are wealthy. If you're on Elizabeth Warren, Okay,
Speaker 1: well the problem is the corporation. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like that's the problem, Like take care of, take care of,
Speaker 1: take down of this, take down to this. I read
Speaker 1: this article in Time on Time magazine a few few
Speaker 1: years back about the coal miners, saying it was this lady.
Speaker 1: She was writing about her dad and she's her dad's
Speaker 1: like just olg like coal miner, you know. And her
Speaker 1: thing is like, look, dude, you're her daddy. Don't hate
Speaker 1: this immigrant, Filipino immigrant that's like in this cave with me.
Speaker 1: She's like he case Sedan, the guy sitting in the
Speaker 1: office cutting our lunch per Diem, Like he's like, man,
Speaker 1: I made this guy. He got a black lung, like
Speaker 1: I got you know what I'm saying, like all I
Speaker 1: hate this dude, Like I hate that dude. We're me
Speaker 1: and him sharing a freaking cause, Junior Sandwich. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Why you over there? But anyway, the
Speaker 1: idea of like you gotta get a them, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: So my question is for the woods, who is them?
Speaker 1: Who's the problem. I mean, it depends on the issue.
Speaker 1: I think Donald Trump in particular liked to make immigrants
Speaker 1: coming to like that there was immigrants coming to take
Speaker 1: your jobs, which if you've lived in any rural community
Speaker 1: that that has been affected by economic downturn, by the
Speaker 1: closing of factories or you know, lumber mills, like we
Speaker 1: talked about, it had nothing to do with immigration. Zero
Speaker 1: moving to Idaho. Zero point zero percent of it was
Speaker 1: affected by immigration. But it's an easy bogey man, right,
Speaker 1: It's an easy because it's them. It's they're coming over
Speaker 1: the border to take your jobs. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: are they coming to central Idaho mountains to come take
Speaker 1: our jobs? Like no, No, that's not something that's happening.
Speaker 1: And so, and I don't mean to laugh at it,
Speaker 1: because it genuinely has been this instilled fear in people
Speaker 1: that we're having to really work out and deprogram people.
Speaker 1: But when you are constantly on edge because you can't
Speaker 1: make enst me, you can't feat your family, you don't
Speaker 1: have healthcare, someone's addicted like you have all right, like
Speaker 1: all the players, you are inherently going to be more
Speaker 1: inclined to fear, and you're going to be more inclined
Speaker 1: to the other, because, like you said, it gives you
Speaker 1: a scapegoat. It gives you a reason for all of
Speaker 1: the horrible, shitty things that have happened to you. And
Speaker 1: so what who is the other? Who is the bad
Speaker 1: guy in this scenario. A lot of people understand it
Speaker 1: for what it is, is just a matter of economics
Speaker 1: that's really awful. A lot of people are really frankly
Speaker 1: kind of delusional and they're you know, like they believe
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is going to bring back the lumber
Speaker 1: mil right, like he's going to bring back all these jobs.
Speaker 1: He's going to bring back that factory. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that factory is not coming back,
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna stay in China. It's gonna stay in
Speaker 1: China with all their fancy computers. Like it's not coming
Speaker 1: back to your tiny rural town. I wish it was
Speaker 1: for your sake, but it's not going to And so
Speaker 1: there's there's a bit of delusion, and you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people do see it for what it is,
Speaker 1: which is there are a lot of factors and systems
Speaker 1: at play way above any of our pay grade. When
Speaker 1: we talk about things like tariffs, and I mean not
Speaker 1: not just tariffs, but like the global economic space and
Speaker 1: how the United States and our industries fit into that space,
Speaker 1: it naturally affects towns like ours that we're providing those goods,
Speaker 1: were providing that machinery, we're providing those factories that it's
Speaker 1: just a lot cheaper to do it elsewhere, and it's
Speaker 1: terrible and it sucks, but it's the reality of the
Speaker 1: world that we live in. And so some people understand that.
Speaker 1: Some people are looking for a scapegoat, and the easy
Speaker 1: one is, well, the immigrants came and took our jobs,
Speaker 1: which makes no sense. And then you have that delusion
Speaker 1: piece of Donald Trump said he's going to come and
Speaker 1: fix this, He's going to bring back these jobs. And
Speaker 1: so then not only do you have a scapegoat, you
Speaker 1: have a savior um and it's a savior that is
Speaker 1: built on really crappy and false promises, as we have
Speaker 1: very clearly communicated, and so you have all these is
Speaker 1: kind of combining at the same time, and it just
Speaker 1: creates this vacuums like hole in a vacuum where Donald
Speaker 1: Trump fits really perfectly into that, and his economics and
Speaker 1: his answers to things fit the puzzle pieces that that
Speaker 1: these people have in their heads and it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: which is why so many of these towns are Trump country,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it is especially with that immigrant piece,
Speaker 1: I mean deeply ingrained racism. You can't say that it's
Speaker 1: not like it is economic anxiety that is fueled by
Speaker 1: racism like they are. They are both it is. It
Speaker 1: is a band not in either or um. If I
Speaker 1: have to read one more think piece about economic anxiety
Speaker 1: and rural America where it doesn't talk about the realities
Speaker 1: of racism, going to lose my damn mind because it's
Speaker 1: a bothan and so yeah, like it can be two
Speaker 1: things at the same time, two things can be true.
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, that's that's kind of the landscape
Speaker 1: of economic realities and making someone the bad guy and
Speaker 1: yet looking so desperately for someone to fix it because
Speaker 1: it's a complicated with you, right, Like the lumbermill closes
Speaker 1: in town, there's no other jobs that fit your skill set,
Speaker 1: You no longer have the ability to pay for health
Speaker 1: care for your family. You need someone to fix it
Speaker 1: because there's no easy answer. And this guy comes along
Speaker 1: and says he's got an answer to fix it. What
Speaker 1: are you gonna do ye, I'm gonna follow that, dude,
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna sell or I'm gonna sell purpose it
Speaker 1: exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so that's kind
Speaker 1: of the realities on the ground. And it's it's hard.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's it's it's heartbreaking. It's in raging,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. As someone who looks at Donald
Speaker 1: Trump for who he is and all the lies that
Speaker 1: he says and realizes that he's completely full of crap,
Speaker 1: Like you can see it, but there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people who, because of their situations, are literally not
Speaker 1: able to see it and able to see it for
Speaker 1: what it is. And you have to go, man, that's enraging,
Speaker 1: but also very sad. So you you mentioned, which is
Speaker 1: one of his quicker solutions, is a tariff. Right, so
Speaker 1: you got the wall. Well, it's like, okay, if we
Speaker 1: just build this medieval barrier, then like you can't get
Speaker 1: past that, So we're good, you know, or I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure you know, you're gonna make us some money.
Speaker 1: If you can make us some money, you're gonna come in.
Speaker 1: But one of the one of the things you mentioned,
Speaker 1: China May you mentioned a tariff. So like, let's step
Speaker 1: back and like give vocabulary lesson here. So in your
Speaker 1: your your political science brain, like explain of tariff. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a tariff is simply a tax, that's all it is. Like,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great way to describe it. So
Speaker 1: we all pay our taxes, right, we pay taxes hopefully
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, sure we Right, we pay our taxes for
Speaker 1: things like schools and you know, roads and I mean
Speaker 1: all the things. Right, So we pay our taxes. That
Speaker 1: is a domestic tax that we pay for those services. Um,
Speaker 1: A tariff is simply a tax that the federal government
Speaker 1: puts on imported products from other countries. So we have
Speaker 1: standard import taxes on pretty much every good and service
Speaker 1: that comes in from another country, and other countries have
Speaker 1: it on our stuff too. This isn't just a one
Speaker 1: way street for America. This is global. Everyone has their tariffs.
Speaker 1: What Donald Trump has done is ratcheted up those tariffs
Speaker 1: because for whatever reason, he thinks that things like aluminum
Speaker 1: and steel need to be taxed super super high because
Speaker 1: we're getting a really you know, unfair deal. And so
Speaker 1: what he does is he ratchetscept tariffs, so that tax
Speaker 1: makes them really really really expensive. And so what a
Speaker 1: lot of people will look at it face value is say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Chinese, they stole our jobs, they stole our factories.
Speaker 1: Let's make them pay. Let's pay, Let's make them Let's
Speaker 1: slap that tariff on him, start a trade war. They're
Speaker 1: the bad guys, right, Who, in the end do you
Speaker 1: think pays for that consumer? It's the consumer that price
Speaker 1: has to As Republicans like to remind us all the time,
Speaker 1: trickle down, right, trickle down from somewhere, which is why
Speaker 1: right now across the country, aluminum and steel prices are
Speaker 1: through the roof. Therefore, house building costs are skyrocketing. Right,
Speaker 1: not just house building, but like any sort of industry building,
Speaker 1: building new factories, building new buildings, and inner cities, building
Speaker 1: new I mean, even affordable housing. We can't pay to
Speaker 1: build more affordable housing in urban areas because the cost
Speaker 1: of building is so stick and expensive, because why tear
Speaker 1: us so good? So if you want to so so translation,
Speaker 1: if you want to sell them my block, it's got
Speaker 1: to cost you. Right, I'm gonna selling your block. I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna charge me. But if you're going to
Speaker 1: raise the price for me to sell here, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna raise the price of the product. Right. If I
Speaker 1: raise the price of the product, then that means the
Speaker 1: consumer is going to cover it. But if the consumer
Speaker 1: doesn't have no jobs, this don't help nobody. So if
Speaker 1: the yeah, so, if the problem is you're saying, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna raise the costs on aluminum, which means, now, if
Speaker 1: I'm a wage worker, a construction worker, right this company
Speaker 1: that wants to build houses, that means that if it
Speaker 1: costs me more for material, that means I gotta pay
Speaker 1: you less, which means I'm probably not gonna hire you.
Speaker 1: So you right back in the same situation in the
Speaker 1: first place, The tariff don't help you, fan, It doesn't
Speaker 1: help anybody. And actually it not only doesn't help the consumer,
Speaker 1: it doesn't help the business trying to sell the product,
Speaker 1: because at some point there's going to be a price cap, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be me so high that a consumer will
Speaker 1: pay for a particular product. And if they will not
Speaker 1: pay above that market value, as we like to say, right,
Speaker 1: then the business that is providing that product is going
Speaker 1: to have to drop their back end prices, which means
Speaker 1: they make less money, which means less less net profits,
Speaker 1: which means businesses lose lesson they close, they lose more
Speaker 1: money they may clothes. Right, So there's this like it's
Speaker 1: this multilayered process between consumer provider and then the actual material.
Speaker 1: But ultimately it screws all of us when Donald Trump
Speaker 1: slaps giant terrorists and then eventually China goes, which which
Speaker 1: any other provider would say, Okay, well are you telling
Speaker 1: me yeah? If you if you yeah, either a tip
Speaker 1: for tat. You know what I'm saying. It's like what
Speaker 1: you want to slay here too? First of all, one
Speaker 1: in four humans on the planet is Chinese. There's just
Speaker 1: more humans here, so right, So there's that. And then
Speaker 1: number two China is like, okay, so you telling me
Speaker 1: that this block that's too high of a price. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll just go across the street. That's too high.
Speaker 1: So I'll just sell this product that you get that
Speaker 1: all the young people love. I'm just gonna go ahead
Speaker 1: and take that down to Canada. I'll just selled it
Speaker 1: in Canada. Ain't charging me that much, you feel me? Right?
Speaker 1: Everybody loses yep, exactly exactly right, and like they and
Speaker 1: they have retaliated right, and they totally retaliated. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: there have been countries in Europe where we have Trump,
Speaker 1: I can't say we Trump has slapt on terroriffs and
Speaker 1: then they're like, cool, how about a really fat tariff
Speaker 1: on like Tennessee whiskey. How do you think Mitch McConnell
Speaker 1: felt about that for Kentucky burban I guess it would
Speaker 1: have been so like, yeah, I mean there's there's there's
Speaker 1: a also very quickly an element of vengeance that comes
Speaker 1: into it, which creates a very volatile global market. So
Speaker 1: ultimately slapping these sort of terroriffs, especially on companies like
Speaker 1: China who are massive economic players in the global economy, um,
Speaker 1: it's such a bad idea. And I mean economists across
Speaker 1: the board, not just liberal ones, conservative ones are like
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a good idea. Stop stop stop,
Speaker 1: Like everyone's like, this is going to do what you
Speaker 1: think is going to do exactly. Everyone's like this is
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Economists the globe over going like this
Speaker 1: is not a smart move. So there's that too, not
Speaker 1: a good move. And it's affected the hood and affected
Speaker 1: the woods. It has niche. That's about our time. I'll
Speaker 1: hold you too. Much longer. But thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my pleasure. Thanks for having me. You
Speaker 1: just took us down such a dope route. I love
Speaker 1: the wisdom and the poise and just so rad. Do
Speaker 1: you have any thing you need to plug? Where can
Speaker 1: people find you on the inner webs? Drop it all along?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, you can find me on Instagram if
Speaker 1: you want to see my life in Narnia, Yes, the woods,
Speaker 1: you can follow me. It's at Nishi se and that's
Speaker 1: really where I'm at right now these days. Props. It's
Speaker 1: just on Instagram, trying to like scanal back on that
Speaker 1: social media taking over by smart You went to the
Speaker 1: woods and your whole life slowed down. You was like, look,
Speaker 1: I don't it's nice out here. These pine trees smell amazing.
Speaker 1: It's a little nice. I like to stop, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't need everyone's anger in my eyes all the time.
Speaker 1: So it's been good. But yeah, there it is, like
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