Speaker 1: This is Conversationous with Olivia Jade in My Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody, it's Olivia Jade. Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of Conversations Today. I have a special guest and it
Speaker 1: is the lovely miss Aurora Cupo. And you guys might
Speaker 1: be familiar with her through Instagram. I know that I've
Speaker 1: seen her Instagram a bunch. She's a mom of two
Speaker 1: and I just want to hear her story. You might
Speaker 1: be familiar with some of her family members, and I
Speaker 1: want you guys to get to know her specifically. So
Speaker 1: with that all being said, please welcome Alora. Hello, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the podcast. I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to have you. Thank you for having me. Course,
Speaker 1: So do you want to like just kind of intro
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit. I know you're from Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: I did my research a little bit, and you have
Speaker 1: two babies, right have two babies. One of them is
Speaker 1: currently screaming in her crib, and I like have like
Speaker 1: that like mom guilt in my heart right now. But
Speaker 1: it's good for her to like learn how to put
Speaker 1: herself to sleep. She should know how to do that.
Speaker 1: She's just eighteen months now. But anyway. Yeah, so this
Speaker 1: question is so funny because it's like I was I
Speaker 1: feel like I practiced this question of like who are
Speaker 1: you and it's like, oh my god, how much time
Speaker 1: do you have? Like so like so originally I am
Speaker 1: from Rhode Island. I was in UM the education industry
Speaker 1: for a long time. I have master's degree in early
Speaker 1: childhood education. I was a teacher that I worked with
Speaker 1: kids with autism. UM. I was a behavior analyst, so
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about how to like shape behavior,
Speaker 1: which is funny because now I'm a mom of two
Speaker 1: kids and like, I use none of that. I don't
Speaker 1: ever apply anything that I've learned, and I know to
Speaker 1: be true UM with my own kids. You know, like
Speaker 1: they scream and I give them a lollipop, Like you
Speaker 1: don't do that. But sometimes it's just like survival. But um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I moved to UM. I moved to l A
Speaker 1: because I met my husband and now we have two kids,
Speaker 1: and I kind of like fell into this UM this
Speaker 1: like influencer role that I don't know. I'm like still
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed you, like I'm an influencer. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's gotten a bad rap even though I do
Speaker 1: feel like there's something I really enjoy connecting with people.
Speaker 1: And I tend to be a little like t M
Speaker 1: I about mom life and mental health and I'm a
Speaker 1: wellness guru, but I'm also like a complete yo yo
Speaker 1: where I'll just like party hard and then be like
Speaker 1: I'm only drinking green juice, you know that last three days.
Speaker 1: But but so yeah, there's a lot of there's a
Speaker 1: lot of characters I've played. I was a yoga instructor,
Speaker 1: I'm into meditation. I read that online. I was like,
Speaker 1: because you know, you never know what you're reading if
Speaker 1: it's true or not. And I saw that said something
Speaker 1: about fitness and how you're really into yoga, and I
Speaker 1: was like writing it down, I was like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is even true. If I'm gonna ask this
Speaker 1: question just because like is it true now? Now? I
Speaker 1: do you. I still do yoga all the time, and
Speaker 1: I find it to be one of the things that
Speaker 1: really grounds me in my life, um you know, crazy times,
Speaker 1: and especially you know, like just making yourself vulnerable to
Speaker 1: all the opinions of other people on the internet, like
Speaker 1: that you need to really have not even have thick skin,
Speaker 1: but just like have a heightened sense of like awareness
Speaker 1: of like your own worth. And so for me, like
Speaker 1: my grounding is is really like physical, like I I
Speaker 1: go to yoga, I do my workouts. Um, but I
Speaker 1: also have two sisters and I'm super close with and
Speaker 1: we do a lot of um work together. Like we
Speaker 1: have a lot of exciting things coming up that I've
Speaker 1: been I'm not allowed to talk about right now, which
Speaker 1: is like my management is like always nervous getting me
Speaker 1: on podcasts because well, I'm just like I am, I'm
Speaker 1: like t M I but but yeah, so so we're creating.
Speaker 1: We have a lot of things going on together as sisters.
Speaker 1: But then individually, I'm I'm starting a website. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: a writer, so I'm writing a lot about just like
Speaker 1: basically mom acts, personal struggles with like postpartum anxiety and
Speaker 1: depression and things. Just I don't like to call myself
Speaker 1: an expert in anything, but I'm I'm an expert in
Speaker 1: being honest and sharing personal experiences, which I feel like
Speaker 1: helps so much more than you even realize. Because for
Speaker 1: me too, it's like all like be on this podcast
Speaker 1: and have certain guests and then I walk away, or
Speaker 1: if a YouTube video goes up and I'm like, is
Speaker 1: that boring to people? Even like that? And then the
Speaker 1: response of you just being like open and honest can help,
Speaker 1: even if it's just a few young girls or moms
Speaker 1: going through something similar or something like that. It's like
Speaker 1: it's crazy how much of an impact it can actually
Speaker 1: have and you don't even realize it. I know. It's
Speaker 1: like I think I'm a little like hard on myself
Speaker 1: and like just like that question like who are you
Speaker 1: and what do you do? I'm like, what do I say?
Speaker 1: Like what do you am? I what do I do?
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people, it's easy for them because
Speaker 1: it's like I'm like, I'm a talent manager. I mean this,
Speaker 1: I mean that. But it's like when you kind of
Speaker 1: wear a lot of different hats and you and your
Speaker 1: thing is just being open and being like like a
Speaker 1: source for other people to kind of like to learn
Speaker 1: from your mistakes and things you've done. Like doesn't really
Speaker 1: have a title, like not traditional, especially now with social media,
Speaker 1: it's like so normal, Like to me, I think of
Speaker 1: it like influencers, like a category. Obviously, I agree, I
Speaker 1: think that word has been I think not even just
Speaker 1: like I don't think it's bad. I just think it's
Speaker 1: overused to the point where it's like what are you influencing?
Speaker 1: I guess, and like what's your purpose? And then it
Speaker 1: is it just to like I was talking about this
Speaker 1: with somebody recently, I'm like, I love I love what
Speaker 1: I do and I started my YouTube when I was
Speaker 1: so young and I enjoy it so much. But also
Speaker 1: it's like there's a level of embarrassment now where I'm like,
Speaker 1: am I just do people just think I'm doing this
Speaker 1: because I want like followers in an easy job? Or
Speaker 1: do people see that this is something I'm passionate about, right,
Speaker 1: But like like, oh you it sounds it seems like
Speaker 1: you're doing this for attention, Like that's something like I've
Speaker 1: heard before two or like you know I've gotten in
Speaker 1: my d M s And it's like, yeah, you do.
Speaker 1: Like as a human being, like we seek connection with
Speaker 1: other people who seek to be seen and to be
Speaker 1: like heard and validated, and especially if like you feel
Speaker 1: like earlier in your life and your childhood, maybe weren't
Speaker 1: always seen for who you were. Like to have a platform,
Speaker 1: to be able to to be to see yourself, to
Speaker 1: have other people see themselves in you, and to feel
Speaker 1: like you've made a positive impact on people. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's like it's been hugely like healing for me
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And also it's been a
Speaker 1: huge growth experience. Like what I've learned is like you
Speaker 1: don't need to be an expert in order to like
Speaker 1: speak on a topic. You know, so and do you
Speaker 1: think like because you're both your sisters. I know Olivia
Speaker 1: just from like years of just like going out and
Speaker 1: seeing her around and she's lovelier. And then you have
Speaker 1: another sister too, So yeah, is that correct? Do they?
Speaker 1: I know Olivia influences or whatever we're want to call it,
Speaker 1: but not like you to call her that. Wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: I take it back, Olivia. I'm so sorry. But does
Speaker 1: Sophia also do Instagram and that whole vibe? She's funny,
Speaker 1: Like we we make fun of her all the time
Speaker 1: because she kind of like she went to she has
Speaker 1: a degree for Boston University in nutrition and public health,
Speaker 1: and then she kind of was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know what your experience was like
Speaker 1: after you after college or whatever, but when for me
Speaker 1: it was like you you think you're going to graduate
Speaker 1: and get like a great jobs, like no, you're living
Speaker 1: in Squalor. For a lot of that was my experience.
Speaker 1: You're just like trying to figure out what you want
Speaker 1: to do, and you're just like still heavily relying on
Speaker 1: my parents. At least I was. But for Sophie, we
Speaker 1: make fun of her because she like she literally walked
Speaker 1: out of college and then was like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go live with Olivia. Actually, like she's got a good
Speaker 1: thing going on over there. She's just like completely writing
Speaker 1: out her coattails. But it's like work smart, you have
Speaker 1: to do you do you You take advantage of the
Speaker 1: cards that you have that you're dealt and if you don't,
Speaker 1: then you're stupid, you know. And it's not like it's
Speaker 1: been easy for her. It's like just as hard to
Speaker 1: try to make something for yourself when you feel like
Speaker 1: you have something already set in stone, like for for
Speaker 1: for me and Sophie, it's been a little bit like
Speaker 1: of a an interesting situation because Olivia has been established
Speaker 1: and she's done a lot, you know, like cover Sports,
Speaker 1: Illustrated all that, and it's like I hate when people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you're Olivia's sister, right, It's like, no, actually,
Speaker 1: she's my sister. I'm older and she is the way
Speaker 1: she is. That's how my sister feels to like exactly,
Speaker 1: if anybody ever says to my sister if we're out
Speaker 1: of like an event or a party, like oh you're
Speaker 1: Olivia's ironically same name, but like, oh you're Olivia's sister,
Speaker 1: She's like, my name is Bella and it's really nice
Speaker 1: to meet you. But I relate to that too, just
Speaker 1: having like a mom that's an actress, like growing up
Speaker 1: and every every thing that's ever written about me or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like Lorie Laughlin's daughter, which I get, which is
Speaker 1: a fact, sure, but also it's like you do want
Speaker 1: to be recognized for your own, your own thing and
Speaker 1: like being your own person. I thought it was so
Speaker 1: interesting too. I was justin, this is so random. But
Speaker 1: I was just in Paris for fashion week and I
Speaker 1: was at a party and somebody introduced their friend and
Speaker 1: the person they were introducing me to has a very
Speaker 1: famous dad, and they were like, this is so and
Speaker 1: so son, and I literally looked at them and I
Speaker 1: was like, what's his name? Like why do you like that?
Speaker 1: If somebody did that to me, I know, And the
Speaker 1: thing is it's like, yes, we've all gotten. Everybody who's
Speaker 1: created any success for themselves has had certain strikes of
Speaker 1: luck or like a leg up in one way, and
Speaker 1: it's like you either hop on that opportunity and create
Speaker 1: something for yourself out of it, or you can be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know that's you can shy away from it and
Speaker 1: like either you there is fine. But I just I
Speaker 1: have a problem with people being like, oh, she's only
Speaker 1: she's only she only has followers because of her sister,
Speaker 1: or she on her parents are famous, that's why she
Speaker 1: like blah blah blah, because it's like, if you haven't noticed,
Speaker 1: not all famous people have like famous siblings or not
Speaker 1: everybody whose parents are famous like they've made something out
Speaker 1: of that. A lot of people actually have. It's, if anything,
Speaker 1: it's been like a hindrance to them because they don't
Speaker 1: really even know like how to create something for themselves
Speaker 1: because they feel like they only can think of the
Speaker 1: mold that was already set for them. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: really see what you're saying. It's interesting too, because it's
Speaker 1: such a touchy subject because you don't want to, like,
Speaker 1: at least for me, I get nervous talking about anything
Speaker 1: to do with that, because I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: people to think that I'm not recognizing that I definitely
Speaker 1: was born in a life where I'm already like a
Speaker 1: thousand steps in front. I can recognize that. But then
Speaker 1: it's like when people go on to say kind of
Speaker 1: what we're talking about just or anything in that realm,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I almost feel like it d like devalues
Speaker 1: what I've like tried to build by myself when I
Speaker 1: was like a young kid fourteen starting a YouTube. And
Speaker 1: it's like I get it, Like I definitely have immense
Speaker 1: privilege that's like taking me very far. But also it's
Speaker 1: not It's like it took work. It's not just because
Speaker 1: I was born. And there's a difference between like recognizing
Speaker 1: that and its value and and and using it as
Speaker 1: a way to like further your own ambitions. And then
Speaker 1: and then you know, on the flip side, you could
Speaker 1: be like ashamed of it or or you could like
Speaker 1: feeling shame about anything is just not productive and it's
Speaker 1: not helpful to anybody. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm on
Speaker 1: your wavelength with that. Yeah, for sure, are you the
Speaker 1: oldest of all siblings? Are just the girls I'm the
Speaker 1: oldest girl. But we have five in our family and
Speaker 1: um and where it's an Italian family, it's so like
Speaker 1: if you know any I think you're Italians. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's like the but you only have a sister, so
Speaker 1: you don't have brothers. You do have a brother. See
Speaker 1: this is what happens. Like I only knew about you
Speaker 1: and your sister and I also have like other siblings too,
Speaker 1: But it's like we're the only ones who have taken
Speaker 1: advantage of this kind of life because this is like
Speaker 1: what we wanted to do. Not everybody wants to do that.
Speaker 1: Like my brothers are musicians. They're super talented, but they're
Speaker 1: not really interested in like putting their life on the
Speaker 1: internet for people to be like say anything they wanted about,
Speaker 1: Like not everybody. He's super private. Yeah. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you have the same dynamic in your family.
Speaker 1: But in my family, the girl is like the is
Speaker 1: in charge, Like she it's responsible for everybody, and like
Speaker 1: we're the connectors, Like we're the ones being the Thanksgiving plans.
Speaker 1: We're the ones like making sure everybody's doing what they
Speaker 1: should be doing, getting mom a Valentine. My brothers are
Speaker 1: just like so basically, long story short, I do feel
Speaker 1: like I'm the oldest brother and you're really you're working
Speaker 1: on stuff with your sisters. Obviously you just said you
Speaker 1: can't go into that, but I grew up with a
Speaker 1: sister that's really close in age, and I'm super super
Speaker 1: close with What was that like growing up for you guys?
Speaker 1: And then who was like the first to get into
Speaker 1: what category? Like give me a little give me a
Speaker 1: little tea on the family. It's a funny. It's a
Speaker 1: really funny story. Um we So Olivia started modeling in
Speaker 1: college and then she like randomly, um uh, tried out
Speaker 1: for MS Rhode Island. And my family is like, they're
Speaker 1: classical musicians, like they're kind of like, I mean, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be Madmie for sing this, but like elitists, like
Speaker 1: they just you know, they're like, oh no, just pageants
Speaker 1: were cheesy to them, Like like my parents. My mom
Speaker 1: was mortified. So she tried out. She ended up winning it,
Speaker 1: and then she ended up winning Miss USA, and then
Speaker 1: she ended up um winning um Miss Universe, and we
Speaker 1: were all kind of like, uh, what like just happened here?
Speaker 1: So that was a world win for my family, but
Speaker 1: for me personally. It was like, you know, I was
Speaker 1: still I was like getting my master's degree, and I
Speaker 1: was not making any money. I was living at home
Speaker 1: with my parents. I just gotten out of a bad relationship,
Speaker 1: and here's my sister like crushing it at life, like
Speaker 1: three years younger than me. And and you know, it
Speaker 1: took like a few years of our relationship just like
Speaker 1: going through trials where like I was having to really learn,
Speaker 1: like not to compare where I am in life to
Speaker 1: where she is in life, and not to compare like
Speaker 1: each of our vale use based on like like there
Speaker 1: was a time I'd be like, well, that's stupid. I
Speaker 1: don't even like she's she's oh she's promoting like lipstick
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I don't care, like I'm saving, I'm doing
Speaker 1: God's work over here, you know. And then and then
Speaker 1: and and then, like our dynamic changed a lot, and
Speaker 1: I started to realize that I don't know if our
Speaker 1: dynamic change or that if I just realized that, like
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel good to feel like someone else's gain
Speaker 1: is like you're lost, you know. And when it comes
Speaker 1: to shove, like there's nobody in the world that I
Speaker 1: would rather have something amazing, like that happened to and
Speaker 1: then my sister like, what would I prefer somebody else
Speaker 1: to have one? No? And yes, she did win those
Speaker 1: three competitions, and that definitely gave her a leg up,
Speaker 1: which you could say is lucky. You could be like, oh,
Speaker 1: well she was born with a pretty face, or she
Speaker 1: heard her question well or something. But what it really
Speaker 1: comes down to is that she manifested it for herself.
Speaker 1: She believed in it for herself, and she works really
Speaker 1: hard to this day. She's like one of those people
Speaker 1: who like does the work. She actually just recommends a
Speaker 1: book to me called do the Work. I think it's
Speaker 1: like an audible book. Um, but she's the person who's
Speaker 1: journaling every day, and it's like and looking at at
Speaker 1: old journals from years ago seeing that like what she
Speaker 1: wrote then has like come true for her, you know,
Speaker 1: big and manifesting. I think that's huge, honestly, Like I
Speaker 1: know that. I know for some people they think that's
Speaker 1: absolute craziness. And I've been trying to journal like a
Speaker 1: little bit more, just write down like goals. A friend
Speaker 1: of mine gave me this notebook recently that like is
Speaker 1: all lined out for you and then you write and
Speaker 1: like this is what I want to do this year,
Speaker 1: and then you go back at the end of the
Speaker 1: year and I probably haven't. I'm just trying to do
Speaker 1: all of it, but I'm just like I lack motivation
Speaker 1: in it because I'm like does this even work? Like
Speaker 1: what's going on? And you're like fighting with yourself to
Speaker 1: try and get it done. But once you do it,
Speaker 1: it actually just feels really good to like sometimes just
Speaker 1: like vent on a piece of paper and just like
Speaker 1: let everything out. And then also I do think that like,
Speaker 1: like I remember when I was really really young, like
Speaker 1: probably seventeen or eighteen, there was a big chalkboard in
Speaker 1: my house and I had written like the letters s
Speaker 1: C on it and it was for Sephora Collection, and
Speaker 1: I like really wanted to like I had been working
Speaker 1: with them like a little bit when I was younger.
Speaker 1: And then I remember like a year later, it was
Speaker 1: like somebody had erase the chalkboard, but it was like
Speaker 1: very faded out, and I was walking down the stairs
Speaker 1: to go to school one day and I had gotten
Speaker 1: a call from my agent like Sephora p how it
Speaker 1: wants to do or Sapphora Collection wants to a pallette
Speaker 1: with you and I was walking down the stairs, I
Speaker 1: got this call like looking at the faded like sc mark,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's so weird. So I do
Speaker 1: believe it in a sense, yeah totally. And like while
Speaker 1: you and I might not be like the journaling type,
Speaker 1: even though like I don't know, I do feel like
Speaker 1: I need to try that out. I'm just like, for
Speaker 1: some reason, I can't get myself to do that. But
Speaker 1: even like doing something like this, like a podcast and
Speaker 1: just like speaking about things and like just like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like your any different you know, like you're
Speaker 1: you're talking about different subjects. You're talking about what you hope,
Speaker 1: your hopes and your dreams and all that, and just
Speaker 1: like the words we speak and putting them out into
Speaker 1: the universe, I also feel or just they have a
Speaker 1: very very powerful myself being like, oh I don't know
Speaker 1: I am. It's like no, I know, yeah, everything you're
Speaker 1: just speaking into like the way you talk about yourself,
Speaker 1: it does go really far. But I'm the same because
Speaker 1: even when people ask like what do you do, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do I do? And then if I tell you
Speaker 1: what I do, it's going to sound really lame because
Speaker 1: I feel myself in my bedroom by myself talking and
Speaker 1: it's like super super lame. Um. But anyway, you're in
Speaker 1: like full mom mode on Instagram too, Like is that
Speaker 1: what the main content is that, like your main type
Speaker 1: of content you produce or yeah, I mean it definitely.
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I accidentally fell into the influencer
Speaker 1: world because I had I had my son and I
Speaker 1: was just like holy, like nobody talks about this, Like
Speaker 1: is anybody else like not able to sit down after
Speaker 1: you give birth? Like what are hemorrhoids? What are like
Speaker 1: all these things that people are like, you know, just
Speaker 1: like embarrassed to talk about. And like I've kind of
Speaker 1: marketed myself as that person that's like approachable and we'll
Speaker 1: tell the truth. And and that has been like a
Speaker 1: double edged sword for me because I'm the person who
Speaker 1: is like in my d M s responding to everybody
Speaker 1: getting myself into trouble. Like I'm like, I'm surprised to
Speaker 1: let me do a podcast without my sisters because they'll
Speaker 1: usually be like kicking me under the table to be
Speaker 1: like shut up say that word, like you're gonna get
Speaker 1: you're gonna get canceled. I'm always like on the verge
Speaker 1: of getting cans. I would never let you get canceled
Speaker 1: from me. It sucks. I won't let anybody next to
Speaker 1: me or around me get canceled. I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of experience being kind of unfiltered on Instagram and it's
Speaker 1: it's gotten me in trouble um just because uh, I'm
Speaker 1: a little impulsive with the way I talk. I respond
Speaker 1: to basically all I'm like, you know, I'm in a
Speaker 1: fight with Tim from Ohio that I've never like, why
Speaker 1: do you read? You're like just don't answer them, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like I've got to get talk to like
Speaker 1: I need to talk to this person. And because you're human, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I need to be better about that. But
Speaker 1: what when when my manager was like, do you wanna
Speaker 1: do you want to go on Olivia Jade's podcast, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I would love too, because I feel
Speaker 1: like what i've from what I've seen from you is
Speaker 1: like such a resilient person, like not everybody like I've
Speaker 1: I was like doing my research and like you know,
Speaker 1: I'll see I'll see like just trolls like saying just
Speaker 1: stupid things, and it's like it takes everything in me
Speaker 1: not to respond to them, but it's like the fact
Speaker 1: that you're able to rebuild after like people have just
Speaker 1: said such horrible, stupid things. It's like not everybody has that,
Speaker 1: like and that is something that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with like coming from famous parents. That's like something that
Speaker 1: that's like grit, that's like an internal strength that not
Speaker 1: everybody has. Thank you so much for saying that. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. I feel like it's so much like
Speaker 1: for me too. It's I like try and put on
Speaker 1: like a like a brave front, you know, or like
Speaker 1: a strong not even brave, but just like a strong
Speaker 1: friend of like oh yeah, I'm unbothered by this or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it is so true, like kind of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: When you want to respond to all those trolls and
Speaker 1: haters or people that just don't know you, I want
Speaker 1: to say something that's like intentionally gonna make you upset.
Speaker 1: It's so hard sometimes to like really just ignore it
Speaker 1: because also I'm like I don't know much about signs,
Speaker 1: but apparently this is what I've been told because I'm
Speaker 1: a libra that you want everyone to like you, which
Speaker 1: I think is a really true thing about me. It's
Speaker 1: like I always I'm like, like my sister is complete opposite,
Speaker 1: Like she's so fine if nobody like with her, she
Speaker 1: doesn't care. She's like I'm my own person, Like she's
Speaker 1: uniquely sarcastic, She's just her own vibe. And for me,
Speaker 1: I'm like always trying to people please and I want
Speaker 1: people to like me, and if somebody doesn't like me,
Speaker 1: then I want convince you to like me. So it's
Speaker 1: like such a test the last few years of obviously
Speaker 1: feeling so hated by like literally everybody, that I was like,
Speaker 1: this is just not, this is not I don't think
Speaker 1: this is meant for my brain, Like I I need
Speaker 1: people to like me. And the fact that I feel
Speaker 1: so misunderstood by so many people, and like the media
Speaker 1: and the way that they can like twist things and
Speaker 1: all this stuff is just so crazy. Like I'm glad
Speaker 1: that to the outside it seems like I'm resilient, but
Speaker 1: it's like in my I'm a firm believer to that,
Speaker 1: like you're never given anything that you can't handle, and
Speaker 1: like all the situations that have happened to all of us,
Speaker 1: like like there their opportunities for us to like evolve
Speaker 1: as people and to like become better versions of ourselves.
Speaker 1: And you can either take that opportunity to like go
Speaker 1: in one direction and not make any progress, or you
Speaker 1: can take it out the opportunity to to grow and evolve.
Speaker 1: And it sounds like you were the perfect person for
Speaker 1: that to happen to, because not everybody would be able
Speaker 1: to recover, for um, like just any hate you know,
Speaker 1: from it's really hard to to read things and and
Speaker 1: that are just not true and not feel the need,
Speaker 1: you know, and just be like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: defend myself because it's just not it's not even worth it.
Speaker 1: And people just people want to What I've learned is
Speaker 1: that like people just want to they want to think
Speaker 1: what they want to think. So like for me, my
Speaker 1: thing is like I don't need people to like me,
Speaker 1: but I want to be right and I want you
Speaker 1: to know that I'm right. So that but like you
Speaker 1: don't you know, you're not gonna win. It's a losing battle.
Speaker 1: So and it's also like the people that are saying
Speaker 1: all that, it's like, okay, but you personally don't even
Speaker 1: know me, so go off like say what you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: but you've never met me, So until you meet me
Speaker 1: then make a fair judgment. That's like what I always say.
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you meet me and you don't like
Speaker 1: me genuinely, Like if we talk for a while and
Speaker 1: this girl is a bit, I'm like, Okay, then you
Speaker 1: can think I'm a bit, that's fine. But if you're
Speaker 1: just seeing like little things online, like you can't you
Speaker 1: can't judge me just for that, like you don't even know.
Speaker 1: But I also think is just another random topic. But
Speaker 1: I also feel like, and then we can get back
Speaker 1: to you and like details about your life, but you're
Speaker 1: just very I feel like you're very understanding of all this,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to hear another person's perspective. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like what's interesting about like trolls or internet
Speaker 1: hate or just being on social media in general. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it never feels good for anybody to have like a
Speaker 1: mean comment, Like everybody's human. You don't want to see
Speaker 1: that anyway. But I think that people forget that, like
Speaker 1: the people that they're talking to, these influencers or anybody
Speaker 1: that's in some world of like fame or public like attention,
Speaker 1: is like they're also human beings. And I feel like
Speaker 1: people genuinely forget that, like the mental toll it can
Speaker 1: take on a person when you are that negative constantly
Speaker 1: towards them, or it's like one thing like I saw
Speaker 1: my friend who's like in the midst of like being
Speaker 1: quote unquote canceled right now, and he like came out
Speaker 1: and said his side of things, and then I see
Speaker 1: all the comments that are like why why, like why
Speaker 1: is he making this about himself? Like how do we
Speaker 1: make this about himself? And I'm sitting there and I'm
Speaker 1: like I get what the comments are saying too, but
Speaker 1: also like do you not realize like when you've canceled
Speaker 1: somebody that much and it's that public and you're constantly
Speaker 1: writing negative, negative things like of course it's about them now,
Speaker 1: Like that takes a mental toll. What you're crazy to
Speaker 1: think they're sitting like that's not making it about themselves.
Speaker 1: That's being a human with emotions and reacting to something
Speaker 1: where hundreds of thousands of people are telling you who
Speaker 1: you are right now. That's like survival, that's like fight
Speaker 1: or flight. Like we are wired for connection. We're wired
Speaker 1: for like literally our biology wants to be accepted in
Speaker 1: the clan because otherwise, like we're not you don't survive
Speaker 1: as a solitary person like in our you know, going
Speaker 1: back to the caveman times. So it's, yeah, it is
Speaker 1: all about us because it feels like life or death
Speaker 1: when you're being like cut out, when you're being canceled.
Speaker 1: Um but I but I think the best thing like
Speaker 1: that that I feel like you're exemplifying for people, for
Speaker 1: all the people that are continuing to be canceled, is
Speaker 1: that like the best way to just like win when
Speaker 1: those people is just keep showing up. Like here you
Speaker 1: are with like a successful podcast. Here you are like
Speaker 1: still showing up, doing your makeup, doing your camera in
Speaker 1: front of you, and it's like it's like they didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't win. So that's like very inspiring. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: read also that you were pregnant during COVID. True or false,
Speaker 1: Like in the midst of the pandemic, I was pregnant
Speaker 1: during COVID. That was how was your mental health and
Speaker 1: like how did you keep yourself in check? Yeah? So
Speaker 1: I I had I had an experience after I had
Speaker 1: my son that I started having catastrophic anxiety and I
Speaker 1: didn't even really know what it was. Um, but I
Speaker 1: realized I realized now that it was like it almost
Speaker 1: felt more like a superpower, Like I could walk into
Speaker 1: a room and identify like every exit, every potential threat,
Speaker 1: every hot coffee, every like person that looks weird, every
Speaker 1: because like I was just like hyper vigilant over my
Speaker 1: son and I was really afraid that he was going
Speaker 1: to like some like a smother in his sleep. And
Speaker 1: you hear these horrible stories things happened to kids, and
Speaker 1: like I feel like Netflix was always telling me to
Speaker 1: watch like documentaries about horrible things happens to kids, and
Speaker 1: I just felt like after a while, I was like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't feel this can't be right, Like this is debilitating,
Speaker 1: and like to my husband, it seemed like I was
Speaker 1: just being like an overprotective mom or like nurturing and
Speaker 1: it's almost like it was almost like, oh, you're like
Speaker 1: you're like too good of a mom. But it's like
Speaker 1: that's actually like that's what they call it, but it's actually, uh,
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's postpartum. It's not really depression. It
Speaker 1: leads to depression because it's anxiety. So I ended up
Speaker 1: going actually um on Zoloft for a little while, and
Speaker 1: it like turned my world around and and made made
Speaker 1: me realize that what I was feeling was not normal,
Speaker 1: not helpful, and and I felt great. Um, so that
Speaker 1: really worked for me. And like I come from a
Speaker 1: family of like my dad's like has run fifteen marathons,
Speaker 1: Like if you're feeling down, like he's like, go run. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like exercise does help, but like to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: I think, especially when you're dealing with like the hormones
Speaker 1: of after birth and all that. So anyway, so that
Speaker 1: was with my son, and then when when um, a
Speaker 1: year later, I wanted to have another baby and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be on any medication for that, so
Speaker 1: I weaned off and it was fun, and I got pregnant,
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit and I'm just like like halfway through
Speaker 1: my pregnancy, I started feeling like the same things, like
Speaker 1: I started the same kind of like just like intrusive
Speaker 1: thoughts of like of just like bad things happening. They
Speaker 1: were like I remember I watched something on the news
Speaker 1: and like the story was like sat on my chest
Speaker 1: for like weeks, like I couldn't shake it, you know,
Speaker 1: It's like I just kept thinking about it was so
Speaker 1: sad um and so I had to make a really
Speaker 1: hard decision about whether to go back on zoloft during
Speaker 1: my pregnancy. And that's like there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: studies around um like taking medication while pregnant, because you know,
Speaker 1: ethnically they can't really do that. They can't use pregnant
Speaker 1: women on trial for like a trial um study. So
Speaker 1: and then there's like a there's like a some percent
Speaker 1: chance that they could be born with autism, or then
Speaker 1: there's but I knew I was having a girl. I
Speaker 1: know the autism is much less common in girls. And
Speaker 1: so I had to make the really hard decision to
Speaker 1: go back on it because it was either like what's
Speaker 1: going to be worse for this baby, like being depressed
Speaker 1: and anxious and possibly like going into early labor or
Speaker 1: going on this medication. And so I went on it.
Speaker 1: I started feeling good again and I and it like
Speaker 1: worked perfectly, and we're I know, we were talking about
Speaker 1: science before um and the craziest thing like happened. She
Speaker 1: was she was like it was like eight months. I
Speaker 1: still had another month until she was born. And it
Speaker 1: was the middle of the night and I just woke
Speaker 1: up and I had this like I was like something
Speaker 1: that's not right, Like I just had like a feeling
Speaker 1: like in my gut. She she was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: have any pain, there was no bleeding, nothing, But I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna drive myself to the hospital
Speaker 1: because like I didn't want to go during the day
Speaker 1: because it was the height of COVID and I didn't
Speaker 1: remember during COVID, like you never wanted to go to
Speaker 1: the doctor. He's never wanted to be around. Like I
Speaker 1: barely get in ye right was the lines and everything.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'll just go now because I
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep, and um to get in my car and
Speaker 1: I go and they hooked me up and they're like
Speaker 1: we need to get this baby out of you right now.
Speaker 1: She can't breathe. And they were like, how did you
Speaker 1: know to come in. I was like I literally don't know.
Speaker 1: I just like drove myself here, Like I remember on
Speaker 1: the way they're being like you're such a weirdo, like
Speaker 1: you're driving by myself. Didn't even tell my husband I
Speaker 1: was leaving. I just got in the car and went
Speaker 1: and I was like they're gonna be like this lady's psychotic.
Speaker 1: She needs to go home. Oh my gosh, that's like
Speaker 1: mom intuition yeah, it was crazy, And so I labored
Speaker 1: for her and and we labor and labor, and she
Speaker 1: kind of come out and they were like, we should
Speaker 1: just do a c section before, like something bad can happen,
Speaker 1: and and we end up doing a c section and
Speaker 1: she was completely wrapped in her cord, like from the
Speaker 1: neck down, and they were like, she didn't come in today,
Speaker 1: she would not have made it. Yeah, so that's like,
Speaker 1: that's like my I like have chills now even telling
Speaker 1: this story because I I on pent believe now, just
Speaker 1: in like, do you have a gut feeling that, like
Speaker 1: with no evidence about it, just something in the gut
Speaker 1: feeling like you need you should act on it. I
Speaker 1: feel like our bodies know almost before our brains do sometimes,
Speaker 1: like what's happening. Yeah, my mom always told me growing up,
Speaker 1: when you have like a like your intuition or gut instinct,
Speaker 1: that's like your angels talking. She's like pretty religious, so
Speaker 1: I think that that's like her her thing, but always
Speaker 1: talking about angels too, and I'm like, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't think of those in that in
Speaker 1: that like conceptual kind of term. But I also grew
Speaker 1: up Catholic, so yeah, me too, But I do think
Speaker 1: that's that's really crazy. So you had her, you had
Speaker 1: her with a C section. I had her c section
Speaker 1: a month early. UM. And then how did you feel
Speaker 1: after that? I? Well, I was on the zoloft from
Speaker 1: me pregnant, so I felt it was it was just
Speaker 1: a much easier transition. It was much smoother UM and
Speaker 1: and I weaned off of it after that, and like,
Speaker 1: my I don't know, like I haven't been having like
Speaker 1: any anxiety, any symptoms, thank God, knock on wood. But
Speaker 1: everybody's like, why would you go off? Like what's the
Speaker 1: big deal? Like just maybe you're just someone who needs
Speaker 1: to like be on that forever. And and there's just
Speaker 1: something in me that's like I just don't want to
Speaker 1: have to be on something forever. Just feels very like
Speaker 1: I don't know that it just it. I would rather not,
Speaker 1: but I'm not opposed to it. Like if those feelings
Speaker 1: start coming back, I know that that for me, like
Speaker 1: I have no qualms about like going back on it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it means that you're a weak person.
Speaker 1: I think it. Yeah, I think it means that you know,
Speaker 1: like when something is chemically off, and that you can
Speaker 1: identify it as like separate from yourself. And I feel
Speaker 1: like there's also like so much you can do like
Speaker 1: on your own and like homeopathically or whatever. Certain people
Speaker 1: believe even that are kind of deterred from like standard medication.
Speaker 1: But there's also like truly there's only so much you
Speaker 1: can do if you have a chemical imbalance or something.
Speaker 1: That's like with my somebody that I used to be
Speaker 1: very close, but they were always super ashamed of being
Speaker 1: on medication, and I would always tell them, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is nothing to be ashamed about. Like, if anything,
Speaker 1: this is kind of a blessing. You found something that worked,
Speaker 1: like otherwise you can just live in like speaking of
Speaker 1: um wellness though, I know on your Instagram you have
Speaker 1: a segment like wellness Wednesdays. Oh my god, yesterday's Wednesday,
Speaker 1: And I like, what's the segment Caroline to yell at
Speaker 1: me that I haven't done yet? Um, So I've been
Speaker 1: getting these um these ad I v s. Have you
Speaker 1: have you heard of them? An A D I like
Speaker 1: don't even know it's this really long? Is an amino?
Speaker 1: Basically it's approachein that your body makes for you already,
Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be like anti aging, anti um inflammatory.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to kind of help your body heal fast
Speaker 1: her And it's this ivy that I've been getting through
Speaker 1: this company called reset ivy um and and and I
Speaker 1: think it's been helping me. I mean, like my sleep
Speaker 1: has been feeling better. I don't know, have you Have
Speaker 1: you gotten I vs as like a I have when
Speaker 1: I'm like hungover. Yeah I know, I know, and every
Speaker 1: single time I get them if I'm hungover, which has
Speaker 1: been like too many times. But I just feel like
Speaker 1: it doesn't really work for I agree. Wait, I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm the only person that says that I'm like, this
Speaker 1: doesn't do I still feel terrible right. And I had
Speaker 1: a nurse tell me once that she's like, well, like
Speaker 1: you could also just drink the water, like you don't
Speaker 1: have to get it right. It's like, yeah, it'll hydraate
Speaker 1: you if they give you some zoo fran that's the
Speaker 1: like anti no me, dan, you'll feel better, But like
Speaker 1: nothing's gonna make up for like the lack of sleep
Speaker 1: that you got, you know. So and yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I need to find a hangout. Like
Speaker 1: somebody whoever may create a pill is going to be
Speaker 1: so rich. I need to get on that. Like so rich,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't a musk made like a hangover charging station
Speaker 1: or something you should? I mean, honestly, if you're that
Speaker 1: smart and you can make that many other things like
Speaker 1: how hard is it to figure out how to cure
Speaker 1: a hangover in a pill? I always think about that,
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, well, clearly, if it was easy,
Speaker 1: it would have been done. Yeah, or we could just
Speaker 1: stop drinking. But that just doesn't seem realistic at all. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I tried that. There was a while.
Speaker 1: There was a while where I was like, I actually
Speaker 1: don't drink anymore. I like told everybody hard when you're pregnant,
Speaker 1: like the nine months of sobriety, it it definitely. It
Speaker 1: definitely highlights for you what your crutches are when you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to use them anymore, and we eat like
Speaker 1: I Well, it was also a pandemic. Okay, people were drinking.
Speaker 1: Remember how much everybody drink. Everybody's making like banana bread
Speaker 1: and drinking, making bread and drinking. That's literally all the
Speaker 1: Remember everybody had like a sour dough starter. Yes, I
Speaker 1: don't care, Like can somebody give me a bottle of wine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know that it definitely was hard the whole.
Speaker 1: It was like for me, pregnancy felt like being trapped
Speaker 1: in your body, and then like I was also trapped
Speaker 1: in a pandemic, and it was just like there was
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings of being trapped. I was like,
Speaker 1: my whole I can't even imagine that too, because I
Speaker 1: know so many people can relate to just the pandemic
Speaker 1: in general, just being like absolutely terrible, feeling super locked away,
Speaker 1: like no social connection. On top of that, being pregnant,
Speaker 1: which kind of as you're talking about, like I feel
Speaker 1: like everybody glorifies pregnancy obviously. I'm I'm still in my
Speaker 1: early twenties, like not a thought in my brain about
Speaker 1: having children anytime soon. But I'm like when I do,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about pregnancy except that like you
Speaker 1: looked cute with a big belly, and you can wear
Speaker 1: like really cute tight dresses and you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about being bloated because you're pregnant. Like that's people
Speaker 1: treat you very well, Like people treat you like you're
Speaker 1: like a walking miracle, like and do you have the
Speaker 1: baby and then you're like not pregnant anymore. Like you
Speaker 1: noticed a shift in like how people treat and you're like, like,
Speaker 1: am I not a walking miracle anymore? Like how like
Speaker 1: the minute the baby comes out, as all like how's
Speaker 1: the baby? How's the baby, It's like, the baby's fine,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not now, like I know I haven't slept
Speaker 1: for months. Um, But yeah, it was. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: like my pregnancies were different. With my son, I did
Speaker 1: have that, like I always being a mom was like
Speaker 1: the only thing I was ever sure of in my
Speaker 1: whole life. So like when I got pregnant and I
Speaker 1: was so excited and I feel like I really like
Speaker 1: enjoyed that experience more. I also wasn't as sick like
Speaker 1: when I had so lay, I was like it was
Speaker 1: a pandemic. I had girls make you more sick. I
Speaker 1: don't care what they say, they just do. Like my
Speaker 1: I was so sick for such a long time. Um,
Speaker 1: and then I end up having that like postpartum or
Speaker 1: the perinatal they call it when it's during pregnancy anxiety.
Speaker 1: So there was it was just a different experience. Every
Speaker 1: baby is so different. And I don't want to scare you.
Speaker 1: A lot of people. A lot of people just love
Speaker 1: the whole they I mean, I follow girls on Instagram
Speaker 1: who are like have nine children, like that's somewhere like
Speaker 1: in Costa Rica jungle and they're like breastfeeding all six
Speaker 1: of them. I don't know. People are made for all
Speaker 1: sorts different. Yeah, do you have like one wellness practice
Speaker 1: that like you could recommend to people listening or like
Speaker 1: one thing that you think whether it's through like your
Speaker 1: pregnancy journey or post or before whatever it is that
Speaker 1: you like stuck to throughout the years that it's really helped. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I for me, I really like to listen to Everybody
Speaker 1: learns in a different way, but I really like to
Speaker 1: listen to audio books and like I have like a
Speaker 1: whole like I guess you could call it self help repertoire,
Speaker 1: but um, on my website, I'm gonna I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: like a little book club of all just all of
Speaker 1: my favorite books that have like really helped me throughout
Speaker 1: the year. Will you please send me a list of
Speaker 1: these because I just got into self help books, Like
Speaker 1: I'm really into the self improvement ones, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: I've only read like a few. Have you seen have
Speaker 1: you read dear self. No, I don't know that one.
Speaker 1: It's almost some of my favorite are like, um uh,
Speaker 1: what happy people know the untethered soul. You have to
Speaker 1: be like really in like a I don't know. You
Speaker 1: have to be in a place sometimes it's like when
Speaker 1: you're in the worst places, like the time when you're
Speaker 1: when you're like open to reading really taking them in.
Speaker 1: But that was great. The power of now is like
Speaker 1: a great one that a lot of people know. Um uh,
Speaker 1: there's there's so many if you're into more of like
Speaker 1: a spiritual um like if you have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a spiritual edge to you. There's a book called
Speaker 1: The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton, which is so good,
Speaker 1: and it's basically just talks all about how like from
Speaker 1: the ages of zero to eight, our brains are in
Speaker 1: something called like braative beta way of brain state where
Speaker 1: it's like basically like you're in a meditative state and
Speaker 1: everything that's like shown to you is you take in
Speaker 1: as true. So basically you're being just downloaded during that
Speaker 1: whole time, and like the work of the rest of
Speaker 1: our life is to kind of like undo the things
Speaker 1: that are well intentioned parents or you know, the society
Speaker 1: told us that we were and that we aren't, And
Speaker 1: so I'm really interested in all of that, like unpacking things.
Speaker 1: So I like to I like to read and listen
Speaker 1: to books. I can't really read because I can't focused.
Speaker 1: I'd like to audio. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's like the one because I feel like,
Speaker 1: right now I'm like in the darkest place I've ever
Speaker 1: been in, like just like mentally, like yeah, just like
Speaker 1: which you would never know, which is the crazy thing
Speaker 1: about social media, Like you would never know what somebody
Speaker 1: is like going through behind, but they're not posting basically,
Speaker 1: And I don't post about it or talk about it
Speaker 1: really because I'm like, I don't want to like a
Speaker 1: pistol are people off that, Like I'm yearning out of
Speaker 1: all people, and like I don't know, I just I
Speaker 1: don't want to make anybody else like sad. But I
Speaker 1: just like that's when I really started getting into like
Speaker 1: all these self improvement books, and I feel like it
Speaker 1: does actually really help. So if anybody's going through something
Speaker 1: like it helps you cut the way you talk about
Speaker 1: like even just you being like I feel bad for myself,
Speaker 1: like out of all people, like you're you have the
Speaker 1: right to be to feel upset, and you have the
Speaker 1: right to feel like a bit just because you have
Speaker 1: came from like a family that was famous and whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like, that doesn't give anybody any less of a
Speaker 1: right to have feelings about about it, just to feel bad,
Speaker 1: you know. So I know, I just think like nowadays
Speaker 1: with like current social media, like like some people you're
Speaker 1: just not allowed to be upset, or at least that's
Speaker 1: like you're pretty no, no, no, you don't get to
Speaker 1: be upset. Yeah, Like there's just certain things that are
Speaker 1: like which I see, I see all perspectives, but I
Speaker 1: can't help but just think like, no, that's of course,
Speaker 1: it's our job to do the best we can for
Speaker 1: all the things that are happening out there. But you
Speaker 1: need to be like, if we're not first worrying about
Speaker 1: like our own mental health, then we're not going to
Speaker 1: be a service to anybody, you know, We're not gonna
Speaker 1: be able to be capable of it. So I just, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's the whole I'm gonna say the wrong
Speaker 1: thing and get canceled again. So you literally can't get
Speaker 1: canceled when you're on the call. Next to me like
Speaker 1: I will make you look so much better every time.
Speaker 1: But we'll end on that note. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on the podcast. I really enjoyed this conversation. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you're super easy to talk to. Thank you. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks so much and this was so much fun. And
Speaker 1: I will totally send you that list of books please,
Speaker 1: and if you ever want to come back, once you
Speaker 1: and your sisters and you guys launch all that stuff,
Speaker 1: you guys always have a space, I'll talk about it stuff.
Speaker 1: I want to be the first to note absolutely, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Go get your crying baby, bye bye.
Speaker 1: Thank you