1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday from seven 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: pm to ten pm Eastern four to seven Pacific on 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. 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Most recently he 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: put this outn't want to get your guys thought on it. 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 4: This is good. 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: It's different than the one you're talking about, right, Oh, okay, 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: this is a different one. Okay, this is the most 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 3: recent one. 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 4: Okay. Quote. 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: So much of the conversation over the last two days 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: really come down to one of three things. Number one, 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: cheating matters, Number two, cheating doesn't matter, or number three 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 3: cheating is subjective. In other words, we individually get the 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: right to decide what's really cheating and to what level 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 3: that it matters. I stand on one, if he stand 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: on two or three, we will agree to disagree. So, guys, 27 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna pose a question to you, what level of 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 3: cheating are we okay with in sports these days? 29 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that I'm always gonna push back on 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 1: blatant cheating, and I'm talking about the Astros to that level. 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: There's a big difference, Kelvin. 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: You know this. 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: If the catcher doesn't cover his sides with. 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: His glove right or his hand, and I can look 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: down and see put down a two, and I think 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: a curveball's coming and I'm ready for it. 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: That ain't cheating to me if he's not covering up 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: his signals. 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: If I got a camera and center field and that's 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: relayed into the clubhouse and then to a guy who's 41 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: banging on a trash can, so I know a curveball's coming, rather, 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: that's cheating. So there's the difference, right. Both both of 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: them are like, well, you're kind of betting the rules. 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: You're looking trying to get an advantage. One I think 45 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: is okay. The other one's not. I just I'm always 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,279 Speaker 1: going to be against the cheating part from the standpoint 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: of it counts when we tell your story. 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: Everybody says, you can't tell. 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: The story of the NFL without Bill Belichick, But you 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: can't tell the story of Bill Belichick without the history 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: of what that he cheated. 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 4: When we talked about it. When that when that. 53 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Obitu where he comes out, it will be in the 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: first or second paragraph that his career was marred. 55 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 4: By a cheating scandal. 56 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it that that's gonna be prominent, 57 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: not a throwaway line at the end. 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 4: Of his obituary. 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that, It's gonna be in the 60 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: first two baragraphs. So I'm I'm with Kurt Warner. Like 61 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: the idea that all these athletes and coaches and executives 62 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: who just pooh poohed the idea that Tom Brady was 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: suspended for cheating, that Bill Belichick had the biggest fine 64 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL twice, even as early 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: as late as twenty sixteen, twenty nineteen, got fined one 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: point one million dollars right and had draft picks taken 67 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: away Like that that was recent, That was even after Spygate. 68 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: So I think that that's a part of his story 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: and a part of his career and you can't discount it. 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 4: And if somebody wants to use that as. 71 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: A reason that they don't want to vote for him, 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I think cheating has to be 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: included when you're busted, suspended, find. 74 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 5: See, that's where it gets interesting. You had it all 75 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: going and you ended it when meaning when you get caught, 76 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 5: meaning if you don't, well maybe it's a little different. 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: And that's where I think while we're getting some people 78 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: who are split. Some people are saying, hey, cheated and 79 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 5: and he deserves to not be in well, others are saying, 80 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, so what's you know. 81 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: Spy gate? Plygate? Who cares? 82 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 5: And I think that's where this is getting, you know, 83 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 5: kind of kind of convoluted, because people are thinking, well, 84 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 5: what's the level of it? And I throw out a 85 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 5: couple of things, rob gamesmanship versus cheating, And I think 86 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 5: this is a conversation folks are having. Right, you mentioned 87 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: sign stealing versus recording. You're allowed to record, right, but 88 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 5: I'm saying you're allowed to record. The NFL they didn't 89 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 5: get in trouble because of spy Gate. They got in 90 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 5: trouble because of where they were filming. So it's like, oh, 91 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 5: you can film other teams, but you can't film from 92 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 5: this role this seat. 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 4: Uh, you can do this. 94 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 5: You can use certain drugs and medicines, but then even 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 5: some that are that the average person could use, but 96 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 5: you can't use this one. And then it comes down 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 5: to what is the either the teams or the leagues. No, 98 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 5: we know, Baseball knew these guys were taking steroids. They knew, 99 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 5: but they weren't testing though. 100 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 4: Right, So what I'm saying is, so is it was 101 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 4: it cheating? 102 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 5: Then? 103 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 4: No, you knew what steroids would do? 104 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 5: What made it now important that because you're testing steroids 105 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 5: have been steroids, and steroids have been steroids. 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: You get what I mean. 107 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 5: So that's why I cain't got a lot of baseball 108 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 5: players like, all right, look, man, should we have done it? 109 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 6: No? 110 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 5: But dang it, Barry Bonds was a great ball player. 111 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 5: Dang it, Such and such was a great ball player, 112 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 5: Roger Clemens. Because you know we were doing it is 113 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 5: documented baseball new Now all of a sudden you finally 114 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 5: say we're going to test for it. 115 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: And now it's an issue. But when you say baseball new, 116 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 4: they didn't test for it. 117 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: So that that's where I'm gonna push back, like you 118 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: knew something was going on. Don't get me wrong with 119 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: Mark mcgwai. It looks like Paul Bunyan, I'm with you. 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: We saw how big he was, right, it was unbelievable. 121 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: But they did not have a test that what on 122 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: their band list. It wasn't on their bad list until 123 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. 124 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is but we 125 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: know what steroids do. We knew what steroids did then, 126 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 5: now and forever. So the idea that I'm taking steroids 127 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 5: and now it's an issue, But when you knew and 128 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 5: you were enjoying the fruits of the labor of it. 129 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: Because bait guys are getting bigger, balls are flying out faster. 130 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 5: So that's why I think there are people who understand 131 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 5: you're good with you. Know. 132 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I live in a world where. 133 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 5: Millions of dollars are on the line, millions to billions 134 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 5: if you're talking about leagues, people's jobs and or legacies, 135 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 5: and I think they're always going to skirt the rule, 136 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 5: point blank period. 137 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: If you look at the Lewis like, like, you don't 138 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: look at him the same way. 139 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to say. So, I'm mean, who's the 140 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: other guy, not. 141 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: Rob g I know you're talking to sprinter from Canada 142 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 5: called all the time Ben Joe Johnson. 143 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, there goes. 144 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, Like you don't look at him the same 145 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: Marion Jones, Right, do you look at them the same 146 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: way as what I'm trying to say. 147 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: No, But when you read into it and you find 148 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 5: out they tell Mary and Joe she's one of the 149 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 5: best spurners in all of America. At sixteen seventeen eighteen, 150 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: she goes to North Carolina and they basically tell her, well, 151 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: you've plateaued. Here's what everyone else does in the sport, 152 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 5: and they you do drugs. You look at cycling. Lance 153 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 5: Armstrong became the most popular and famous, but everybody's doing it. 154 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 5: I just don't live in a world where I don't 155 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: believe pro athletes are cheating and there's levels and I'm 156 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 5: not saying, oh, I don't mean it all. 157 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: Here's my pushback, because everybody's not completely agree with that 158 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: is saying that everybody smokes weed I raised my hand. 159 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: I've never smoked weed, rob, and I believe everybody doesn't smoke. 160 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 5: No. What I'm saying is I just don't get blown 161 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 5: away at the idea because we made movies Blue Chips 162 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 5: about teams paying players and then, oh wait, paying players 163 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 5: is the wrong thing. 164 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: We know, we all know they were paying players. Now 165 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: it's just league with inn al. 166 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 5: So I'm not overly blown away when I hear things 167 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 5: like this, I guess, is my point. 168 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 169 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 170 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: dot com. Within the iHeartRadio app, search FSR to listen live. 171 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 7: Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben 172 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 7: Maller along with my trustee sidekick David Gascon. 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They're shocked, 188 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 6: they're appalled, and you know, I think most of the 189 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 6: ones that I've spoken to over the last couple of 190 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 6: days are pretty much agreement that he should have been 191 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 6: voted right in with no questions asked. 192 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: Well, and somebody else, to me doesn't agree with that. 193 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: I don't agree with that. Ralph's he cheated. 194 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: There's nobody out there who says, man, my god, why 195 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: are we saying that a guy who may be cheated 196 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: and won some championships because he had some inside information. 197 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: He got the biggest fight in the history of the 198 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: NFL for a coach. He lost draft picks for the Patriots, 199 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: and then worse, they did it again in twenty nineteen 200 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: against the Bengals and had a fine for one point 201 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: one million and more draft picks. Nobody stands up for 202 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: honesty and non cheating. 203 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: In the league. 204 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I think they do to a point. 205 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 6: I've had certainly people that have brought that up to 206 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 6: me that you know, that may be the reason, and 207 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 6: you know, I don't know what the voters were thinking. Necessarily, 208 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 6: I think that's a valid reason. I probably would have 209 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 6: voted for him anyway, but I think that's a valid 210 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: reason if that's what you believe to not vote for him. 211 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 6: But I think a lot of the coaches that I've 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 6: spoken to, a couple of executives I've spoken to, what 213 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 6: the think of that cheating scandal is that you don't 214 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 6: think I had his cheating as much as he pushed 215 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 6: a little too far, like it's something that everybody does, 216 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 6: and he just took it a step further, and you know, 217 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 6: he thought of it. They hadn't thought of it, but 218 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 6: they all seemed to a lot of people said to me, look, 219 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 6: we all find an edge somehow. 220 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 5: And that's why I don't buy that. 221 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 4: And this is the only reason. 222 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: The league told him three times to cut to knock 223 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: it off. 224 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: Okay, So they didn't. 225 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: React Ralph right away or find them or find them 226 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand take away draft Picks. They told him, 227 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: it's the same thing, uh, with Denver's coach Peyton, Peyton 228 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: Manning Peyton, Sean Payton, they told him the same thing 229 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: with the bounty gate, and they didn't stop it. 230 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: Ralph am, I wrong. 231 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 6: No, You're not wrong at all. And I think that 232 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 6: you know, with the bounty gal Sean Payton's going to 233 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame someday, and that's a horrible thing. 234 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 6: The whole bounty gate scandal, to me, was pretty terrible. 235 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 6: I think some people are going to bring that up 236 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 6: when he's up for the Hall of Fame someday. But 237 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 6: I think a lot of coaches that you know, there 238 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 6: their peers, they are able to somehow compartmentalize it and 239 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 6: put it aside and say, all right, well he was 240 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 6: punished for that, the league punished him, but look how 241 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 6: great he really is. Look at all the things he's done. 242 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 6: And that's basically the message I got was like, this 243 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 6: is the greatest coach we've ever coached. Again, this is 244 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 6: the greatest coach you've ever come up with. Did you 245 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 6: do a bad thing? Yeah? Okay, But I haven't come 246 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 6: across many people over the years. I've certainly come across 247 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 6: people that have been, you know, adamant about it, especially 248 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 6: if they feel like he cheated them out of a 249 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 6: championship or something. 250 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: But in general, well, talk to the St. 251 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: Louis Rams. They'll talk to the Saint Louis Rams. Those 252 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: guys are hurt and they haven't let it go. Kurt 253 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: Warner brought up a great point, Marshall Falk and some 254 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: of those guys think that they got cheated out of 255 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,479 Speaker 1: a championship. 256 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, there are definitely people that feel that way. 257 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it. There's I think there's some 258 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 6: Eagles that feel like when they lost to the Patriots, 259 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 6: they probably there was some signs feeling involved. I covered 260 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 6: the Giants for many years. They always thought the Patriots 261 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 6: were doing it. Anytime they lost, it thought, well, you know, 262 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 6: they must have had our signals or something. So but 263 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 6: I'm telling you there's just a lot of people that, 264 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 6: for whatever reason, right or wrong, are willing to put 265 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 6: that aside and say, but yes, but look how great 266 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 6: a coach he is. 267 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 5: And I think, but yeah, I'm just gonna say, Rob, 268 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 5: I thinking part of it is because I think deep 269 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 5: down they know it's part of the game, Like and 270 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 5: they just kind of subliminately or subconsciously accept that. Let 271 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 5: me ask you this, Ralph, are we you think we're 272 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 5: gonna see something where if I said to you, if 273 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 5: anybody was supposed to be an NFL from the special 274 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 5: teams the last twenty years, they'd be out in Vententaria. 275 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: But he's not in the Hall of Fame, I should say, 276 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 5: Now we get Bill Belichick not in. Robert Craft's not in. 277 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 5: If you're Tom Brady, are you looking at this as 278 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 5: we're Oh, shoot, maybe I'm not gonna get it, and 279 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 5: maybe he'll get an eventual maybe at first ballot. 280 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 4: Why is a venetarian? I don't I don't even understand 281 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 4: Harrison's not in. 282 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 5: I mean a lot of these guys who again Robert 283 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,359 Speaker 5: Craft and vegetarian. 284 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: No, let's go to Robert Craft thirteen years snop. 285 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: What's the deal there? 286 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 6: Well, it's the snub. The whole snub thing is weird 287 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 6: because the process is so bad, Like Robert Craft doesn't 288 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 6: come up year after year for the selection committee to choose. 289 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 6: There's a special committee that chooses a contributor and then 290 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 6: decides to bring him in front of the committee. So 291 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 6: I don't even know how many times the Special Secret 292 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 6: Committee has chosen him as their contributor. Should he have 293 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 6: been in before? Yeah? Probably absolutely, I would say. But 294 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 6: it's just a weird, weird process that not everybody is 295 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 6: voted on up or down every year. You asked in 296 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 6: there about Tom Brady. I would be shocked, obviously, and 297 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 6: I would be appalled if the greatest quarterback I ever saw, 298 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 6: and the winning his quarterback obviously in NFL history, doesn't 299 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 6: get in. He got suspected in the committee meeting that's 300 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 6: gonna come up, and I wouldn't be He will never 301 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 6: know whether he's en animish or not. But I bet 302 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 6: he loses a few votes because of that. 303 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: I think he should. I wouldn't vote for him. I 304 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 4: wouldn't vote for him, I think. 305 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 5: But if you do that, Rob, you know how you are, 306 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: which means you never can vote for him. 307 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I think that I don't. 308 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why Tom Brady had and Ralph you 309 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: know this. He could have easily easily said I asked 310 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: the ball boys to take the air out of the ball. 311 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: I didn't realize the psis were underneath the league rules. 312 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: I take responsibility for it. No, what does he do? 313 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: He destroys his phone. He says he doesn't know the 314 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: guy he's texted over a hundred times whose nickname is 315 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: the Deflator. Like, like, there's so much stuff there that 316 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: just makes me not feel good about Tom Brady. 317 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 4: Seriously, it was. 318 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 6: It was terrible, and get it, And I honestly think 319 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 6: that his punishment probably wasn't long enough. I would I 320 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 6: still vote for him. I think he probably did enough 321 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 6: great things in his career that I'm willing to overlook at. 322 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what, if you didn't, I would 323 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 6: be fine with that, just like I'm okay with the 324 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 6: I'm not one of those the media members who are like, 325 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 6: if you didn't vote for Bill Belichick, you should lose 326 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 6: your vote. 327 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: I agree. 328 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 6: No, I get it. I get why you didn't do it. 329 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 6: There's legitimate reasons. This isn't I'm trying to think of 330 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 6: a no brainer. This isn't Jerry Rice, right, who was, 331 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 6: as far as I know, clean and the best receiver 332 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 6: by nine miles. If you didn't vote for Jerry Rice, 333 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 6: you're an idiot, right, But Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, I 334 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 6: get it. If you're really appalled by cheating. If I 335 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 6: had a baseball vote, I'd never vote the steroid guys, 336 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 6: whether they were Andy Pettit or Alex Rodriguez. But that 337 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 6: you know, that's just my opinion, and we're allowed to 338 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 6: have difference of opinion. 339 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: This kind of witch hunt and who is it? And 340 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: we should change it? 341 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: Who is it? 342 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: Dan Orlosky sounding ridiculous that that that the Hall of 343 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: Fame should go in and wreck the it is and 344 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: change the vote? 345 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 5: Really like what like like the way, by the way, 346 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 5: Rob to your point, don Chula, Ralph didn't get in 347 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 5: off the bat right, Bence Lombardi didn't get in far 348 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 5: right off the bat. I mean you can go down 349 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 5: the law, down the line of guys. Jimmy Johnson didn't 350 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 5: get in. 351 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 4: So I'm just. 352 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: Saying the idea that he would said that that that 353 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: we should change the system, when when t O didn't 354 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: get until four years, we change forever to get in. 355 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 6: I will say we should change the system, but not 356 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 6: because of a specific guy, but because unlike baseball, you 357 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 6: get you get a ballot. I agree vote for ten 358 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 6: guys that's up or down. It's not that way in 359 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 6: football because it could be ten guys worthy of the 360 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 6: Hall of Fame. You got to choose which five get in, 361 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 6: and that's really hard to do with some of them. 362 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 6: And there's been a couple of voters who said, look, 363 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 6: I didn't vote for Bill Belichick, and I don't agree 364 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 6: with their reasoning because I can only pick three guys, 365 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 6: and these three senior candidates, I think they're all worthy. 366 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 6: That they don't get in this year, we may never 367 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 6: see them on the ballot again. Belichick will get another shot. 368 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 6: Do things like that as to why they need to 369 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 6: change the system. And you know, look, if there are 370 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 6: five coaches worthy of the Hall of Family, show be 371 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 6: on the. 372 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: Now one hundred percent. 373 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: And this year, Ralph just to say, my baseball ballot 374 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: was blank because I didn't believe there was anybody worthy, 375 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not going to fill 376 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: out ten ten names just because I have ten votes. 377 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 6: Mine would have been too. I'm not I'm not a 378 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 6: baseball writer. I'm a huge baseball fan. There's not a 379 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 6: guy in that thing. I would have You probably could 380 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 6: have convinced me or twisted my arm to figure out 381 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 6: one or two, but it would have been worked. I 382 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 6: didn't think anybody was worthing. 383 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: Hey, we'll leave it there, man, Ralph. We appreciate it. 384 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 5: Thank you for your time, brother. 385 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 6: My pleasure. Guys anytime. 386 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 387 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 388 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 389 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: listen live. 390 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: But Rob G and I don't believe you. Let's just 391 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: can we call it? Did I not say this in 392 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: the beginning? 393 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 4: What do you say? 394 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley criticized the Michael Jordan stuff on NBC. Did 395 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: not say like like when we. 396 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 4: Found out that there was one long interview that they were. 397 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: Just cutting right, Rob g And Charles Barkley commented on it. 398 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: He's already not Michael Jordan's friend, so it's probably. 399 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 5: Easy his fuck though. He just kept it real and 400 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 5: Mike didn't want to talk to him anymore. Yeah, Charles 401 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 5: Barkley's been making the rounds the last couple of days. 402 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 5: I don't know what cane him on the show, but 403 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 5: that's okay. 404 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 8: We'll get him on now. He listens, he Texas US. 405 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 8: They get him on the show. All right, down the 406 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 8: callous Charles. We want you on the shows. We need 407 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 8: to get Charlie. He hasn't been on in a minute. 408 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: Given that inside the NBA not on TV a lot, 409 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: He's got time to do a couple of interviews. And 410 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: earlier on Thursday, Chuck appeared on Serious XM NBA Radio 411 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: and they asked him about the Michael Jordan situation with 412 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 3: NBC now recalled during the off season, when it was 413 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: first announced that mj would be joining the Peacock. 414 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 4: We didn't know what he was gonna be doing. 415 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 3: They said it was gonna be a special contributor to 416 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: their NBA coverage. 417 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: We didn't know if he was gonna be in studio. 418 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: We don't know if we were doing interviews. We know 419 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 3: what exactly he was gonna be doing. 420 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 4: We didn't think he'd be involved in NBA debate. 421 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: Talk, but everybody was excited because he's such a recluse 422 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: historically and they wanted to hear what he had to 423 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: say about the NBA. Well, now flash forward about a 424 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 3: year and we know exactly what his role is. His 425 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: role was to record one sit down interview with Mike Turrico, 426 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: no plans for a second one, and they were gonna 427 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 3: release clips of it throughout the season. So Chuck went 428 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: on Serious XM today and said that he was excited 429 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 3: to get Michael because Michael's the reason we all make 430 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: money from the NBA, of course, but then he says, quote, 431 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 3: you see this thing coming out with NBC, You're like, wait, 432 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: y'all did one interview five months ago. You're gonna sprinkle 433 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: it in throughout the season. Come on, man, that's disingenuous 434 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 3: by NBC. It's crazy. I'm disappointed the way it worked out. 435 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: It's just a bad look, plain and simple. 436 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 5: This is one of the times you hope what you 437 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 5: thought would be true would not be the case, and 438 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 5: it was. Michael Jordan is not the most entertaining. Michael 439 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 5: Jordan is not the most thought provoking, and is a 440 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 5: complete contrast of his former best friend Charles Barkley. Charles 441 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 5: Barkley's honest, Charles Barkley's funny. Charles Barkley stoughtfel you might 442 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 5: not agree with him, but he's gonna speak his mind 443 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 5: and he plays the game. 444 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 4: You know, he'll play. 445 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 5: Along and do stuff, and that's why he's been one 446 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 5: of the best sports media person out of over the 447 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 5: last thirty years. 448 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan has it. 449 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 5: Michael Jordan wanted to get away from the fame, and 450 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 5: so the idea of him coming back, you thought, maybe, 451 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 5: just maybe this was very lazy. They oversold it and 452 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: it was boring and it was a waste of time 453 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 5: of the greatest basketball player of all time. And it 454 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 5: was also again the lack of creatativity. You talked about this, 455 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 5: Rob G. So I don't want to take it. But 456 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 5: you and I are on the phone, and you're a producer, 457 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 5: producer extraordinary. We know this s youel to goat and 458 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 5: one of the things you do I had to hold. 459 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: I think Rob G cheated before, but god. 460 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 5: I hosted the show where we have had to do. 461 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 5: It was a show that air for the whole summer. 462 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 5: It was a national show. It was like a you know, 463 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 5: reality sports competition show. And you brought the idea I 464 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: had to wear certain outfits and then switch and then 465 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 5: wear this one because this is gonna be the finale. 466 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 5: But technically we're shooting it today, and you made it 467 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 5: work so that it could work throughout an eight week 468 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: run throughout the summer. And the idea that you just 469 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 5: sat Michael Jordan down same old outfit probably did a 470 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 5: forty five minute interview, and that was it. 471 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: You didn't mix it up. You didn't switch his outfits. 472 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 5: Switch it at least a lot of us mix it 473 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 5: up and make us think you're postponing these conversations. Hey, Mike, 474 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 5: the All Star weekend's coming up. It meant a lot 475 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 5: to you. What was it like playing All Start? Hey Mike? 476 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 5: What made you get in the dunk contest? You already 477 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 5: had a name, you already with this guy in the league. 478 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 5: You still did the dunk contest. Don't you think God 479 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 5: should do it now? That would have been something you know, 480 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 5: you could have had. Hey Mike, you know competition and rivalries. 481 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 5: Let's talk about that. Were the Pistons your big ribery, 482 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 5: Like interesting conversations that you could have had throughout the year. 483 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 5: Switch up the outfits. There's no creativity. They over sold it, 484 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 5: and then to me, you lose the credibility now if 485 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 5: you try to bounce back with anything. And Mike Trico 486 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 5: talked about he hopes that they do it again, he'd 487 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 5: love to do it again. I don't want to see 488 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 5: this again, do you. I don't think anybody wants to 489 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 5: see it. And a little bit of hope that we 490 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 5: had because Mike doesn't say anything really that interesting. 491 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: You don't really do that much. The little hope you 492 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 4: might have had is now gone. Charles Barkley is spot on. 493 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: It was what I was concerned about after seeing the 494 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: first one, and the idea that he would not be 495 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: talking about the current players and dissecting. 496 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 4: Right the news of what's going on with the league. 497 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: So I'm not overly surprised because I just thought that 498 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: this is what it was going to be, and it 499 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: wasn't going to be something that we thought would be great. 500 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: And I think that that's disappointing because I want to 501 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: hear from Michael Jordan. I really do. I want to 502 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: hear from him. I think he has insight. I think 503 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: he has uh uh you know know how he can 504 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: speak to these things. And the first thing they gave 505 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: us was load management, rob g what was that week? 506 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: And like nobody was load managing at that time, So 507 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: why was that so such a big deal. 508 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 4: It didn't even make. 509 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: Sense, like like like it the whole thing was misguided. 510 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: It's just it's a waste of God. And you're right, 511 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: I do it all the time. We do a segment 512 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: called a bro you need to Know and it runs 513 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: for every other week all baseball seasons, so I do 514 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: like thirteen of them. 515 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 4: I change even in thirteen weeks, you know what I mean. 516 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: Like I'll start out with with a jacket on, and 517 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: then I know the d's are going to air in July, 518 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: I have a short sleeve shirt on, you know what 519 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: I mean, so that it looks like, Okay, play the. 520 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 4: TV Magic game, right. And it's so easy to do. 521 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: They could have easily had them bring bring four outfits 522 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: or jack jackets and a different colored shirt. 523 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: You could even just change the shirt, you. 524 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 5: Know, you could wear to see Jack on next time, 525 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: just a polo underneath it. 526 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 4: Just mix it up. It's the same. 527 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 5: That's disrespectful to us in twenty twenty six, when there's 528 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 5: so many different ways you can do things like meaning, 529 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 5: let's just say he was like. 530 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm be honest with y'all, I ain't coming. I 531 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: love to comfort to my home. 532 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: All right, fine, zoom with him, but at least have 533 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 5: some more relevant timely conversations something. 534 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: But the whole idea and this is what these are 535 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: the executives, And I just don't I get it. He's 536 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: a massive star, doesn't need your money. Okay, so then 537 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: let's not do it. If you're not gonna do it right, 538 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: I'd say, Mike, it's not gonna make you look good. 539 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 4: And it's not benefiting. 540 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: People are gonna be disappointed in it, and let's just 541 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: we'd love to have you. But if you can't come 542 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: in the studio and if you can't do three or 543 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: four out for changes, then we probably shouldn't do it. 544 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: And shame on the producers. 545 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 4: Rob G. Speak to this. You're a producer. 546 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: You if I had said to you, Michael Jordan's gonna 547 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 1: do one long interview, we're gonna break it up in 548 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: this five or six different things, you would have written 549 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: questions for the course of the season. We talked about it, 550 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: rob G, and I mentioned the same thing all around 551 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: the All Star time. Talk about your favorite All Star 552 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: talk about when you want the Dunk Contest. People want 553 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: to hear about that. How important did you think it 554 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: was to be in the Dunk Contest? And now you know, like, right, 555 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: even though you were a star to play in the 556 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: All Star Game, are you disappointed? 557 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 3: Guys don't play hard, Rob G. You would have done 558 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 3: that absolutely. Hey, the trade deadline's coming up. You've been 559 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: on a lot of teams. You've had guys deal with 560 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 3: the deadline? How do you navigate as a leader of 561 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: a team? 562 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 4: Thank you? 563 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: And you have players who are concerned about their future 564 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 3: with the franchise. 565 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 4: How do you deal with. 566 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: It when you know that you need X, Y and 567 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: Z things added or subtracted from your roster to get 568 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: to the next level. What kind of influence of the 569 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: star players should have, and those kind of decisions. 570 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 4: So many ever green questions. 571 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: I could ask you that would do a five minute 572 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: player seven whatever you want to do and have it 573 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: sound like, oh, man, Michael Jordan's really plugged into the league, 574 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: and the audience would have no idea that they are 575 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 3: recorded back the outfit other than that. 576 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: Yes, and and and people think that's not a big deal. 577 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: Oh no, one's going to people remember what you have 578 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: on and then be like. 579 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 5: Especially after a time or two, yeah, yeah, I just 580 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 5: I don't It was a letdown. 581 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: Unless you're Steve Hartman and you're doing like that. You know, well, 582 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: you know right in nineteen eighty one, I used to 583 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 4: he really doesn't wear the same shirt. 584 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: So if anyone, by the way, we're not making we 585 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 3: did not record Steve Hardman back in July to his 586 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: radio show, Yes, you. 587 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 4: Know I like to wear the black polo. 588 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 5: Wait, you know when I was with the Raiders, they're 589 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 5: the one who turned me onto wearing black things. 590 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 4: And yeah, I just I was disappointed. 591 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 5: I had very little optimism and hope because he just 592 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 5: doesn't do this stuff the last twenty five years. Obviously, 593 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 5: when he's a player, he had good commercials and stuff 594 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 5: like that, but he did space jams. But post playing career, 595 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 5: he just doesn't do these things, which is why the 596 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 5: last dance was such a big deal because, oh my gosh, 597 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 5: we haven't heard from Mike. He doesn't really do this stuff, 598 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 5: and it was such a letdown. It was such a disappointment, 599 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 5: and I just don't know, like, don't do it again, 600 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 5: because Mike Turico's like, if he has me back, we'll 601 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 5: do it again. 602 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 4: We'll definitely do not Mike were good, We good, We 603 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: got Mike. Guys. 604 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 3: I got an idea that've been marinating on all segments 605 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: since you started talking about. Obviously, Michael Jordan's reputation is unwavering. 606 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: There's nothing I could say, you could say, anyone could 607 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,959 Speaker 3: say that's gonna knock him from his perch as arguably, 608 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: if not the best, the second best player in NBA history. 609 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this maybe, and I'm dead serious as 610 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: a guy who covered sports for forty years, and I'm 611 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: not talking about watching from home, but being at the stadiums, 612 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: being at the arenas, being at the at the games, 613 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. An absolute privilege and thrill as 614 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: a reporter to cover Michael Jordan during those playoff runs 615 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: as an NBA GA, I'm not even sitting courtside in Cleveland, 616 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: Craig E. 617 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 4: Lowe. 618 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: I saw all those things, you know what I mean, 619 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: in real time and watch those things so so, Rob 620 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: G I'm with you. 621 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 4: I really think he on that level. 622 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 5: The greatest American athlete to me, him and probably Muhammad 623 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 5: Alier Campete. 624 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 3: He's wherever you have him. It's near the top of everything, right. 625 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,719 Speaker 3: But here's my thought on it is, I've been very 626 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 3: disappointed in the way that he has handled his post 627 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 3: playing career because I feel like he's made a lot 628 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 3: of poor decisions. He hasn't capitalized on things that you 629 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: expect him to. His time as the owner of the 630 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 3: Charlotte Bobcats at the time was a disaster. He couldn't 631 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: handle criticism, so it caused him to lose a friendship 632 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 3: with Charles Barkley. He does the last dance quish we 633 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: need it at that time because there was no but 634 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: Bob g we aid off of that, but in fairness, 635 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: in an effort to enhance his own legacy, because he 636 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: was one of the final say guys in that thing. 637 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 3: He alienated half of his team so much so that 638 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 3: Scottie Horace and someone else went on a media tour 639 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: explaining their half of the story because they made it 640 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 3: look like he was doing all responsible for everything, you know. 641 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: And then then you top it off with this where 642 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: he makes his triumphant return. He's been a recluse. He 643 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: never talks about anything. When we saw mat Kobe's funeral, 644 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: that was the first time you've seen him in like 645 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: six years, right outside of the golf cot right, and 646 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: then he delivers this and it's like, we hold you 647 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: in such high regard, why do you keep letting us down? 648 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 4: And it could have been great, It really could have. 649 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 4: But again I think they're so afraid to say anything. Oh, 650 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 4: catch him, you know what I mean? 651 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: Right? 652 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 4: They don't want to coach him up. Or say whatever. 653 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: I've heard of other players. 654 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get in an ad, but I've heard 655 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: of other players where they had to make a change, 656 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: you know, because they can't take coaching, you know, or 657 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: or or people trying to say, hey, let's redo this 658 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: because you stumbled. 659 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 4: You did this, We do that. 660 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: I know it. Not again, dude, it doesn't make sense. 661 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: You're here to communicate and be on television. We're trying 662 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: to make you look good. 663 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 4: Trust us. 664 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: Imagine the segment Rob g He sits down in the 665 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 5: gym with an Edwards and everybody like, they say, you 666 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 5: look like we play like, but let me see what 667 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 5: you got. And they're just talking while they're shooting, and 668 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 5: he's showing them his elbow. Amazing to get that, but 669 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 5: just sit down there. 670 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: And those are such simple like we're not reinventing the wheel. 671 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: It from him or hear from him, and he just 672 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 3: at every turn it feels like he makes either the 673 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: wrong decision or he's living off the idea. Well, I'm 674 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. 675 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 4: I can do whatever. 676 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 5: The only reason why I'll stall him out more than 677 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: what you're saying is because they haven't made catastrophes. 678 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 4: The Bobcats was a long, slow burn. It was just boring. 679 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 5: It didn't work for twenty years, and we all he 680 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 5: finally sold us, and you're like, all right, that was why, 681 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 5: Meaning it didn't Tiger Woods me. 682 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 4: But Tiger Woods went out in a flame like it would. Well, 683 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 4: it's it's. 684 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: Weird because, as I told you before, I interviewed him 685 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: one on one in Louisville, Kentucky, you know, a preseason 686 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: game down there, and he had just done Saturday Night Live, 687 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: which he was really funny on that. 688 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember, he did a Saturday 689 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 4: Night Live and he was funny, like they wrote him 690 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: some good stuff. 691 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: He did Dub Bears, he was a part of that 692 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: group and all that, and he's saying dub Bears, you know, 693 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: it was really funny. 694 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: And so I've seen that side of him and and 695 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 4: I get it. 696 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: He's older, he's he's a recluse for the most part, 697 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: and and it's just weird that he would even sign 698 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: on for it. And I don't know, maybe they just 699 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: gave him so much money. You think it was the money. 700 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like it's an ego thing. Tom Brady 701 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: got thirty seven and a half. They said he got 702 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: something close to that, like, they said that it was 703 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: something close to google it. I'm telling you exactly, but. 704 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 5: I said for one interview, my gosh, it was anything 705 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 5: over five million dollars. 706 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 4: Oh no, it was something they said was a large 707 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 4: amount of money to get Michael. 708 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you about the biggest L and 709 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 5: TV history that I'm gonna blow your soide off. 710 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 4: Guys. 711 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 3: Now, there is controversy on the number, okay, but there's 712 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: a number. The numbers that are being reported. Between forty 713 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: and eighty soldiers to forty is a low number. Let 714 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: me ask you, is it four four years though, meaning 715 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 3: forty eighty for like forty It doesn't say was paid 716 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: between forty eighty million dollar. 717 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you're telling me four years forty million, okay, 718 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 5: then it's ten million for Michael Joy. That makes me 719 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 5: four interviews. Yeah, it's still crazy, but it makes sense. Dude, 720 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 5: you're telling me it's one year forty eight. 721 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: Even in that case, Tom Brady at least has to 722 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: do seventeen football game. You're talking about one sit down 723 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: that they chopping up six interviews. Come on, man, and 724 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: you know Mike Terrico had to do all the work. 725 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: That's he's like, I can't get done of that. 726 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: Forty