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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful ten year old

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Speaker 1: little girl, Lily goes missing not far from her own home,

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Speaker 1: and then a twist. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: A w e Au Chippewa Falls police are asking for

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Speaker 1: your help in finding a missing child. Authorities are looking

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Speaker 1: for ten year old Iliana Lily Peters. She is a

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Speaker 1: fourth grader at Perkview Elementary in Chippwa. Investigators say at

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Speaker 1: nine pm, Lily's father called police to say she had

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Speaker 1: not returned home from her aunt's house. Officers then found

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Speaker 1: a bike that's believed to belong to Lily in the

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Speaker 1: woods near a walking trail by Lining Cougle's Brewery. The

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Speaker 1: Chippwa County Sheriff's Department, K nine Team and Lake Hallei

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Speaker 1: Police Department all joined the search and went door to

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Speaker 1: door last night, but Lily has not been found. The

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Speaker 1: specter of finding Lily's bicycle but no Lily brings up

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Speaker 1: so many other cases where children's bikes were found but

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Speaker 1: the child was not. So many implications and all out

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Speaker 1: search ensues. Take a listen now to our friend Judy Clark.

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Speaker 1: Tipple Falls Police Department is currently holding a news conference

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Speaker 1: on the missing girl. We go to that now live.

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Speaker 1: This is an update on the missing person case that

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Speaker 1: was first reported last night. At about nine o'clock last night,

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Speaker 1: the Chipple Falls Police Department received information that Ileana Lily M.

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Speaker 1: Numerous agencies and resources were called to assist with the

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Speaker 1: search for Lily. You were just hearing the voice of

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Speaker 1: sudden twist in the search for Lily. Listen to more

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Speaker 1: from Chippewa Falls PD Chief. At about nine fifteen this morning,

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Speaker 1: a body was located in the wooded area near the

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Speaker 1: walking trail. The Chippewa County Quarters Office is now confirmed

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Speaker 1: that this is the body of Lily Peters. At this point,

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Speaker 1: we are considering this a homicide investigation. We do not

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Speaker 1: continuing to follow up on multiple leads. The Chipple Falls

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Speaker 1: Police Department has numerous assisting agencies and we'd be willing

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Speaker 1: and we will be working diligently and tirelessly on this case.

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Speaker 1: We encourage anyone with information to please contact the Chipple

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Speaker 1: Falls Police Department and to maintain a state of vigilance

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Speaker 1: as there may be a danger to the public to

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Speaker 1: I am unable to provide any further details at this time.

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Speaker 1: I do anticipate an additional press conference around five o'clock tonight.

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Speaker 1: We would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the

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Speaker 1: family and friends of Lily Peters during this tragic time.

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Speaker 1: And there you hear the Chief of Police actually breaking

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Speaker 1: what is so odd is that it ended so quickly.

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Speaker 1: The search had barely gotten going before her body has found.

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Speaker 1: More questions than answers right now, as the case is developing,

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Speaker 1: even as we speak with me in All Star panel.

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Speaker 1: To make sense of what we know, I want to

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Speaker 1: first go out to special guests. Amy Winter is joining

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Speaker 1: us from Hello, Wisconsin. You think her there, wau thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Her body was found? How far from her bicycle? Amy?

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Speaker 1: They have not confirmed that yet. In fact, they won't

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Speaker 1: I understand you, Laura Ingle joining me, Senior correspondent, Fox News.

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Speaker 1: I understand that Lily's body, this ten year old little girl,

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Speaker 1: that her body was found in the woodland area close

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Speaker 1: Laura Ingle? Right, I mean that is something that we

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Speaker 1: found straight out to Bobby Chacone, joining us twenty seven

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Speaker 1: years FBI agent. You can find him at Bobby Chacone

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Speaker 1: dot com. He's also a writer and producer of After

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Speaker 1: I know that you already know where I've headed on this.

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Speaker 1: That her body is found close to her bicycle, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Nancy and so so, and yet they moved out its

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Speaker 1: being an accident, right, So I think that her body

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Speaker 1: probably some distance. Again, we don't know exact distance, but

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Speaker 1: they found a bike straight out to California Prosecutor Wendy Patrick,

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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. You can find our hosting today

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Speaker 1: with doctor Wendy KCBQ San Diego. Wendy, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us everything. Bobby Cha kind of just said,

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Speaker 1: want to bring it up, Robert Blake murdered his wife,

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Speaker 1: Think about this. The body is found in this case

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Speaker 1: I'm getting at now we have to analyze why is that? Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right. You know, you have this

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Speaker 1: it's very similar to the Robert Blake case in the

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Speaker 1: Laura Ingles, senior correspondent with Fox News. Amy, I want

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Speaker 1: a w EAU thirteen. Amy. Chippewa Falls is of course

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Speaker 1: This is David Shulman's CBS News. Police say Lily's body

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Speaker 1: injury or possibly signs of disease. And we have to remember,

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Speaker 1: even though the police do classify this as a homicide,

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Speaker 1: that the medical examiner's investigation is a parallel but separate

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Speaker 1: investigation from that of law enforcement. So we have to

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Speaker 1: rule out scientifically that this was but we have to

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Speaker 1: rule out you said, your investigation is different from the

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Speaker 1: police investigent exactly. We get information from the police, but

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Speaker 1: we have to prove what they say in a very

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Speaker 1: scientific manner. For instance, if a case came in and

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Speaker 1: the police said this was a suspected suicide, we did

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Speaker 1: our investigation and the autopsy findings led us to believe

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Speaker 1: that this was a natural or a homicide, then we

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Speaker 1: would have to use our findings to give our legal

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Speaker 1: cause of death. So we get our information from different sources,

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Speaker 1: but we have to compile our information and come up

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Speaker 1: with our own opinion as to what the cause of

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Speaker 1: death was. You know, and in this case, yes, it

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Speaker 1: is being advertised or not advertised, but it is being

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Speaker 1: suspected that this is a homicide. But until the autopsy

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Speaker 1: is done, until everything else is ruled out and ruling

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Speaker 1: out natural disease as well, ruling out accident, ruling out suicide,

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Speaker 1: that believe us a homicide and then that in the

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Speaker 1: eyes of the medical examiner, would be the cause of death,

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Speaker 1: not information that we received from other agencies. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: hear you, doctor, I hear you. I think is highly

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Speaker 1: unlikely that a ten year old girl disdropt death from

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Speaker 1: natural causes or took her life. Nancy, this is on

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Speaker 1: the way home from her aunt. I was going to

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Speaker 1: say one of the things, one of the things that

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Speaker 1: struck me about this case is she was only missing

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Speaker 1: for a short period of time, Yet immediately the police

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Speaker 1: chief comes out and classifies it as a homicide, no doubt,

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Speaker 1: knowing any other categories that were available. So, although you

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Speaker 1: don't know exactly what happened, yet, we still have a

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Speaker 1: pretty good idea that whatever they saw, whatever they gathered,

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Speaker 1: and whatever condition the body was in, they saw enough

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Speaker 1: to be able to determine this was a homicide exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's my next question to Gallagher was they announced pretty

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Speaker 1: quickly upon the discovery of her body that it was

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Speaker 1: a homicide, So obviously something they saw immediately tell them

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Speaker 1: this was a murderer. Guys, take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut eleven. This is Rob Olsen, Fox nine. I asked

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Speaker 1: the chief, you know, what was it that turned this

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Speaker 1: from a missing person into a homicide investigation, and he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't elaborate except to say, obviously evidence at the scene

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Speaker 1: was a pretty clear indication that that is what they

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Speaker 1: were dealing with. Spoke to several neighbors around here. None

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Speaker 1: of them wanted to go on camera because they're pretty

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Speaker 1: shaken up by this, but said that, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: a shocking development in a community like this to hear

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Speaker 1: something like this happening. One man out walking his dogs

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Speaker 1: said he was out last night walking his dogs to

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Speaker 1: around nine o'clock and heard a short, sharp scream. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: know that that was, you know, related to this or not,

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Speaker 1: but now he can't help but think it potentially was,

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Speaker 1: and it's really got him shaken as well. I'm just

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Speaker 1: wondering what that scream was. Now we're honing in. Listen

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Speaker 1: to our cut sixteen from the police Chief and Chippawalf Falls.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matthew Callum. I am the police chief for the

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Speaker 1: Chippa Falls Police Department, and I'm providing an update on

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Speaker 1: the homicide investigation. First, and most importantly, earlier this evening,

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Speaker 1: we arrested a juvenile suspect in this case. The suspect

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Speaker 1: was not a stranger. Suspect was known to the vector.

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Speaker 1: We do not believe there is any danger to the

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Speaker 1: community at this time. While nothing will bring Lily Peters

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Speaker 1: back or change what happened, we are very grateful to

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Speaker 1: be able to deliver this news for the family and

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Speaker 1: for the community and also our cut twenty, our friends

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Speaker 1: at Fox nine. This news of the arrest really has

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Speaker 1: sent shockwaves through this tight knit community of Chippewa Falls.

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Speaker 1: The fact that a child has been an arrested in

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Speaker 1: connection with the death and the murder of another child

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Speaker 1: really is unbelievable to people here tonight. Now, tonight, Chip

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Speaker 1: Falls Police did announce that a juvenile is in custody

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Speaker 1: in connection with the murder of ten year old Lily Peters.

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Speaker 1: We are told that this person is someone that Lily knew,

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Speaker 1: and that there is no danger to the public. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: this shocking crime really has rocked this small community. Purple

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Speaker 1: ribbons are now covering lampposts and street signs to honor Lily.

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Speaker 1: Driving through town and through our communities, we can see

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Speaker 1: the purple ribbons and honestly, I would expect nothing less

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Speaker 1: from the chip of False community. Chippe of Valley and

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Speaker 1: their Surrounds Time stories with Nancy Grace Amy Winters joining

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Speaker 1: us from WAU thirteen. Amy, what can you tell us?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was shocking to hear, you know,

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Speaker 1: the police chiefs say that it was a juvenile suspect.

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Speaker 1: We tried to ask as many questions, of course, as

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Speaker 1: possible at that news conference, Um, but he would not

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Speaker 1: the police chief would not give us much more than

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Speaker 1: it was a juvenile and that it was somebody that

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Speaker 1: knew Lily and that Lily knew Um, and that you know,

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Speaker 1: the public wasn't in danger anymore. I mean the entire

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Speaker 1: community was on edge walking. Instead of you know, letting

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Speaker 1: their kids walk to school the next day, they were

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Speaker 1: told by the school district to drive their kids to

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Speaker 1: school and pick them up from school straight out to

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Speaker 1: Laura Ingle, joining us, her correspondent Fox News Channel, Laura,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about social media having something

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Speaker 1: to do with Lily's death? Well, there is a possibility

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Speaker 1: that there was some kind of action here on social media.

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Speaker 1: It's not confirmed. I can't confirm it. And when you

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Speaker 1: go back and you look at this school district's release

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Speaker 1: to parents, them the community, asking people saying, look, you know,

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Speaker 1: do not get on social media and spread rumors. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not spreading rumors, but I am going to share

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Speaker 1: a thread that we are following about these users with

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Speaker 1: Reddit talking within each other's sphere about some guy or

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Speaker 1: some person i should say, who claimed they were in

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Speaker 1: the park playing that popular mobile game Pokemon Go, when

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Speaker 1: they claim that they saw a girl in a pink

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Speaker 1: and purple hoodie on her bike with another kid on

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Speaker 1: their way when this kid was out of the coming

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Speaker 1: out of the park, saying maybe there was a kid

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Speaker 1: that was involved in this, And then everybody in this

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Speaker 1: social media thread jumped on this user and said, you

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Speaker 1: need to call law enforcement right away. Please call the

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Speaker 1: tip line if you haven't already. So every you know

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Speaker 1: this kid or a person did call law enforcement. People

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Speaker 1: did also share the screenshot of this communication with police.

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Speaker 1: A detective with the chip of off Falls Police Department

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Speaker 1: reportedly called this Reddit user to ask what they had seen.

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Speaker 1: So there is a possibility that somebody in the woods

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Speaker 1: playing Pokemon Go, that virtual game on your mobile app,

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Speaker 1: saw something, said something, and it could have played a

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Speaker 1: part in information to investigator too. Bobby Chicon joining US

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Speaker 1: former FBI agent at Bobby chicon dot com. You and

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Speaker 1: I discussed many times the case of Gabby Petito and

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Speaker 1: her fiancee killer Brian Laundry. Remember when the search was

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00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: on for Gabby Petito and Laundry's parents were doing nothing

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Speaker 1: to help Gabby's parents find her. It was actually, I

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Speaker 1: believe the name of the social media person was Red

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Speaker 1: White and Bethane that was out camping and dispersed camping

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Speaker 1: themselves and they saw a white van that they believed

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Speaker 1: looked very much like Gabby's, and they took a picture

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Speaker 1: of it, sent it in a citizen sleuth, and in

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00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: fact it was Gabby's van, and her body was found

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00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: very nearby. And I am not knocking authorities. This was

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Speaker 1: out in dispersed camping, which means you're not at porta

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Speaker 1: potti or an electrical hookup. You're out and the tetons

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Speaker 1: and nature. There's no cell phone activity, there's nothing. And

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Speaker 1: if it had not been for that citizen's sleuth, she

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Speaker 1: may never have been found, or it would at least

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Speaker 1: have been many more weeks, if not longer before she

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Speaker 1: was found. So here from what Laura Ingel is telling me.

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Speaker 1: From Fox News. We have the same scenario. Hey Laura,

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Speaker 1: what did they say? Again? The person's out playing POKEMONO

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Speaker 1: in this foresty area and they say they see what

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Speaker 1: They claim that they saw a little girl wearing a

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Speaker 1: pink and purple hoodie matchuman description with another kid, and

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Speaker 1: this person was playing POKEMONO, they claim, in the woods

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Speaker 1: and saw you know, the person that match the description.

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Speaker 1: And when that person posted on Reddit and everybody jumped

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Speaker 1: on this user and said you need to call law

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Speaker 1: enforcement right now, and that person apparently did and that

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Speaker 1: led to some kind of communication according to these reports.

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Speaker 1: What about it, you count? Well, Look, I think that

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Speaker 1: it's member enough on law enforcement, and say, because I

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Speaker 1: think the police have always said, like you know, you've

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Speaker 1: always hear it, we need the community's help with these

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Speaker 1: kind of things. And I think as you describe with

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Speaker 1: technology with cell phones, I mean, the public has become

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Speaker 1: a force multiplier for investigators. And as an investigator, I

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00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: always would prefer more information than less. Even if I

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Speaker 1: was drinking out of a firehose, meaning there's so much

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Speaker 1: information coming in I have to sift through leads that

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Speaker 1: aren't valid or whatever. I would always prefer to have

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Speaker 1: that situation than too little information coming in. So I

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Speaker 1: think that this is a great time that we're in

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Speaker 1: with technology where people are using it for good here

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Speaker 1: to assist law enforcement because law enforcement can't be everywhere

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Speaker 1: and the community oftentimes has to step ball and help

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Speaker 1: in these investigations. And this is the perfect example. I think.

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Speaker 1: Even in the one of the press conferences, I heard

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Speaker 1: the chief in this case credit a call or a

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Speaker 1: tip that came in being significant in this case. So

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Speaker 1: I think that this isn't exactly the way the law

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Speaker 1: enforce wants it. We want people out there to call

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Speaker 1: in to tell us, to send us whatever information they have,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a boon to law enforce. But now

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Speaker 1: sometimes that makes the job more laborious. But again, I'd

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Speaker 1: rather have too much information coming in to me as

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Speaker 1: an investigator than too little to Tracy Sergeant joining us

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Speaker 1: expert canine handler. Could a belonging of the suspect the

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Speaker 1: juvenile we think may even be her age. We know

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Speaker 1: that gvenile is under eighteen, so seventeen and under. Could

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Speaker 1: belongs of the suspect be taken to the area and

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Speaker 1: safe the dog hits placing the suspect there it certainly could.

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Speaker 1: It's especially since it's a somewhat isolated area. I know

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Speaker 1: it's well traveled versus let's say the dog checking inside

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Speaker 1: the home or around the yard. That's a lot more

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Speaker 1: complicated than let's say starting the dog in a wooded

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Speaker 1: area where there's less contamination, less scent that the dog

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Speaker 1: has to work through, and to see if the dog

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Speaker 1: would actually pick up that juvenile in this case sent

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Speaker 1: in that area. So it is very possible, yes, to

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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the State of

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Speaker 1: Florida at pathcaremd dot com. Doctor Gallagher, now that we

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Speaker 1: know police have arrested a juvenile in the murder in

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Speaker 1: the homicide of ten year Lily Peters, what would you

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Speaker 1: expect to be the cod cause of death? First of all,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a gun, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think a child that age is going to

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Speaker 1: be going around with a gun. Now, if you'll remember

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Speaker 1: the slender Man case where two or three little girls

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Speaker 1: attack their best friend and tried to stab her dad

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Speaker 1: so they could go live with slender Man in his mansion.

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Speaker 1: That was done with a knife. I could see a

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Speaker 1: right a knife or asphyxiation. What do you think, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's been mentioned that the suspect is known to them,

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Speaker 1: to the victim, and typically, you know, we find stabbings

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Speaker 1: in those situations to be most common. You know, the

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Speaker 1: person allows the suspect to come close to them, and

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Speaker 1: a knife is typically what we find it in use.

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Speaker 1: Asphyxiation probably not so much, because it takes a really

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Speaker 1: long time to asphyxiate somebody with the literature around their

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Speaker 1: neck three four, sometimes even five minutes, you know. So, um,

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Speaker 1: that would in an area such as that, that may

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Speaker 1: draw attention to him and he would probably be exposed

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Speaker 1: a lot sooner than what he was. So my guess

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Speaker 1: would be you're right, it would be a sharp force

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Speaker 1: instrument or a knight to Laura Ingle joining us, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got the ten forty one low fifty seven high,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Jackie, Laura Ingle. I know that the juvenile

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Speaker 1: suspect is headed to court. What do we know, Well,

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Speaker 1: we've just learned, we've just been on the phone with

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Speaker 1: the distrig attorney in that county and we know the

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Speaker 1: judge's name, Judge Lane, presiding over the hearing. Cameras will

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Speaker 1: be allowed inside of this bond hearing. However, this is

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Speaker 1: a small courtroom. We've been told the juvenile suspect will

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Speaker 1: not be inside the courtroom in person. He will be

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Speaker 1: on a video feed, and the rule being set forth

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Speaker 1: by the judge is that the cameras are not allowed

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Speaker 1: to film the juvenile suspect. They're asking the media to

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Speaker 1: refer to the suspect by initials only, not the full names.

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Speaker 1: It's a juvenile, and then that judge will decide if

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Speaker 1: this is a monetary bond or not. And I heard

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Speaker 1: you say, hey, so it's a boy, you know that,

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Speaker 1: And that happened with the press conference last night with

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. They never gave us an age or a gender,

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Speaker 1: but the law enforcement did refer to the suspect as him.

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Speaker 1: So that and that is also what has happened with

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Speaker 1: our information that we're getting today as well. I would

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Speaker 1: have expected a him, because statistically it's more probable that

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Speaker 1: the purp is a him, even as a juvenile. But

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Speaker 1: like in the case with slender Man, you can always

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Speaker 1: be proven wrong. There's always an aberration. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds at this hour. Our prayers with the family

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Speaker 1: of ten year old Iliana Lily maters if i