1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Thursday, July seventeenth, and the 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: lead prosecutor who brought the case against Sean Ditty Combs 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: has been fired. Forget this. Nobody thinks it has anything 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: to do with the fact that she essentially lost that case. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: have been We followed that case so closely, the Ditty trial. 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: We wake up, see the headlines Marine Komi has been fired, 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: so we automatically obviously she's been top of mind for 9 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: three months now with this case. But it has nothing 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: to do with Ditty. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: They're arguing, right, Well, it's funny because obviously that's where 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: we've heard her name most recently, most often. And yes, 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Diddy was acquitted of the most serious charges. So my mind, 14 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: fresh on top of my mind, was that she must 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: have been fired because of that. But when you look 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: at the headlines every single news outlet, they don't even 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: mention Didty. In the headlines they mentioned her father, who 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: I actually, I'm going to admit I did not know. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: But now it makes a lot of sense that the 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: former FBI director James Comy is her father. Yes, that 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: same former FBI director who Trump cannot stand and who 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: cannot stand Trump. Do you think, well, maybe just you know, 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: a few writings in the sand might have just illustrated 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: perhaps we can get into that there beef that has continued, 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: and now he's actually being investigated, So we digress. But yes, 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: the Epstein, the Epstein case. She was a lead prosecutor 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 2: in the Jeffrey Epstein case and the Gallaine Maxwell case. 28 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: And she won the Glaine Maxwell case. We don't know 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: what would have happened with Epstein. Of course, he died 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: in prison by suicide, but the did He trial? 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: Did he? 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: Though? Did he? 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm kidding, don't you start that stuff now? 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: Sorry, I was just turning the pot. Sturn the pot. 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: They said he died by suicide. Okay, but the did 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: He trial? This was a stinging defeat for that office, 37 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: and office that doesn't lose a lot. This was a 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: very high profile loss for them. Loss meaning he got 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: off on the most serious charges. But you look at 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: that and they, I mean they had egg on their face. 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: They looked bad. So when you think, like wow, it 42 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: almost made sense. Take away the Glain Maxwell, excuse me, 43 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: take away the Epstein and the Komi stuff. But her Dad, 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: is that it's not supposed to be a fireable offense 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: to lose a case. 46 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: Well, yes, I mean, if you're a prosecutor and you 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: have to fear losing your job each and every time 48 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: you lose a case, that would be an untenable position 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: to hold because you'd be in constant worry and under 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 2: constant threat that you were going to be fired. 51 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: So that can't be the case. 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: Also, of note, which was confusing when we first heard 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 2: this this morning that she had been fired. There's still 54 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: a lot of work to be done in the prosecutor's office. 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: This case is not over. 56 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: Sentencing still has to take place, and then of course 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: there is going to be an appeal. So why not 58 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: have your prosecutor, you're one of your lead prosecutors, who 59 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: knows the case backwards and forwards, continue to see it through, 60 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: at least through SENI and seeing, but also with the 61 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 2: appeals that are absolutely. 62 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 3: Sure to come. 63 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: We know as recently as a couple I mean, who 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: knows how many days it's been, as of a couple 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: of weeks, she was talking to the judge and submitting 66 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: paperwork having to do with ditty. She was very much 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: active in seeing this thing through. She's out of there. 68 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: Now what that does to that case, I don't know 69 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: what impact that could have. But for us to have 70 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: watched her and to have kept up with her and 71 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: kept up with that trial, our miles kind of dropped 72 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: that the person who has been leading this charge and 73 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: still a lot of fighting, fighting and back and forth 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: between Diddy's lawyers and the prosecutors still to be done, 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: and the person leading the charge is out of there. 76 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: But all of that said, so, I don't see anywhere 77 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: where anybody is suggesting that her firing has anything to 78 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: do with Sean Diecombs. 79 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: No. In fact, I haven't seen one or heard one 80 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: mention of it. They've just thrown out there oh yes, 81 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: and by the way, it was almost, oh, we forgot 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: to mention she was also the lead prosecutor in the 83 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: recent Ditty trial. 84 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: It was not at the top. 85 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: Of anyone's minds in terms of why she possibly could 86 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: have been fired, and it hasn't been stated directly. No 87 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: one has said why she has been fired, although it 88 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: has been interesting reading so many of these articles about 89 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: why she was fired, and they did talk about a 90 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: memo that was accompanying her firing, and it was referring 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: to a power of the president, so it did certainly 92 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: imply so there was a memo, according to sources, that 93 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: she was being dismissed pursuant to Article two of the 94 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: US Constitution. Article two of the US Constitution is the 95 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: portion of the Constitution that lays out the president's powers. 96 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: So one could infer people have been inferring that perhaps 97 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: this goes all the way up to President Trump. 98 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: And look, the President has been on a firing spree 99 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: at the Justice Department since he came back into office 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: because so many the folks there was named Jack Smith, 101 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: had investigations, a couple of investigations into President Trump before 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: he became president again, and I mean dozens of folks 103 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: at the Justice Department have been let go, including prosecutors, 104 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: people who worked on those investigations. So it's not odd 105 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: to see that the president has fired somebody from the 106 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: Justice Department. However, who this woman is, Maureen Comy. Yes, 107 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: you maybe only got to know her because of the 108 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Diddy trial, But folks, we assure you this woman is 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: a stud in that office. She is a top prosecutor. 110 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: You don't get plucked and selected to try Diddy to 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: try Epstein and to try Gallaine Maxwell. If you don't 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: know what you're doing. She got those rolls. Those she 113 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: knows what she's doing, and they have a stellar record, 114 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: they say, winning record at the Southern District where she works. 115 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, for ten years she's been working there. Harvard 116 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: Law graduate, obviously knows what she's doing. Comes from a 117 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: family who is very well entrenched in politics and big 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: stories and certainly big cases. This is nothing that she 119 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: would have ever shied away from, and was seemingly not 120 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: just fit for the job, but very qualified for the job. 121 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: This is a capable lady. Yes, this is a very 122 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: capable woman. And reminder at the trial, at least the 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: highlights frobes. You just reminded me a moment ago before 124 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: we started recording. She handled a lot of the questioning 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: of Jane. Who didn't Jane spend the most time on 126 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: the stand. 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: She was up there longer than Cassi, even Toura fine 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: was she was up there longer than me. I was, 129 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 2: so yes, Jane I believe was the witness who testified 130 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: the longest, and it did he trial. 131 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: So she handled some of that questioning and Rose is 132 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: not I mean, I don't want to say they put 133 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: all they weighed too much with this. But the last 134 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: voice that the jury heard before they went for deliberation 135 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: deliberations Maureen Comy, because she handled the closing rebuttal. She 136 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: was the last person to make an art argument to 137 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: the jury, and. 138 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: She actually took on a little bit of the snark 139 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: that we saw from the defense team, because yes, Mark Agnifhillo, Yes, 140 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: nailed his name finally after weeks and weeks of saying it. 141 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: Who's the guy that plays with Oklahoma City. 142 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: Thunder Shae. 143 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: Shae something with gorgeous Shay. 144 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I can't sorry for the folks, but if you've kept 145 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: up with us, Robes has been working all season on 146 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: Shay Gildos Alexander Alexander. 147 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: I just won the tongue yet, No, I got Shay 148 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: right because I was calling him shy first, So Shae 149 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: gilgis Alexander. But yes, we digress talking about Mark agn 150 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: So anyway, Mark Agnifillo in his closing arguments, if you remember, 151 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: was very theatrical, very animated, very sarcastic, uh cracking jokes 152 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: and poking fun at the prosecution's case against Ditty, and 153 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 2: it resonated with her and I'm sure the prosecuted prosecutor's office, 154 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: who had a fairly dry closing argument. 155 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: She came up. 156 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: Marine Komi comes up then for the rebuttal, and she 157 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: starts getting animated, and she starts kind of mirroring a 158 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: little bit of what we saw from Mark Agnaphillo. 159 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: So she knew what to do and she brought it home. 160 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: They always say you save your best for last right, 161 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: so she yes, she was the final voice of the 162 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: prosecution for the ditty trial. 163 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: And here we are. I don't think anyone was calling 164 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: for her to be fired. There wasn't some huge somebody 165 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: going off out there, some huge public outcry about she 166 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: should lose her job because she didn't get the convictions 167 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: for dating. Nobody was saying that. However, people have Rob's 168 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: been calling for her to be fired for a different reason, 169 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: and that is because she handled the Jeffrey Epstein case. 170 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: She just happens to be tied up now in what 171 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: Trump's tied up in, which is a Mago revolt that 172 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure you all and seeing the President has gone 173 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: off on some of his supporters, even calling them past 174 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: supporters who are following for this Maga hoax excuse me 175 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: this Epstein hoax from the Democrat, so she now robes out. 176 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are speculating that she 177 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: was just so closely tied to that, and because she was, 178 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: and because the president is dealing what he's dealing with 179 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: with his supporters, that he's trying to I don't know, 180 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: not necessarily scapegoaterer, but kind of wiping the slate clean 181 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: to a certain degree of peak, just getting people out. 182 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: So they're saying her connection to Epstein is one of 183 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: the main reasons she's out of them. 184 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 2: So earlier this week, Politico actually referenced her in their 185 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: article about all of this, about the MAGA uproar folks 186 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: just not believing that there isn't an Epstein client list. 187 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: They believe there's a cover up. They believe that he 188 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: was murdered in prison. They believe he did not die 189 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: by suicide. But Maureen Comy had argued and has argued 190 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: against the disclosure of these investigative records that are in 191 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 2: the court but are sealed documents. Of course, the MAGA 192 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: folks want all of that unsealed. But it makes sense 193 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: why Maureene Comy would want these records sealed, because they 194 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: believe there's a lot of information in there, and of 195 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: course there is a lot of information in there that 196 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: should be private. We're talking about sexual assault victims, we're 197 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: talking about minors. These are sensitive cases victims of sexual violence. 198 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: So that is standard operating procedure. It's not about some 199 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: cover up to make sure the public never finds out 200 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: what's inside these cases. They're actually trying to protect victims. 201 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: And so they also said also of note, and why 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: she another reason why she might not want any of 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: these records being released is because Galainne Maxwell is likely 204 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 2: and is going it actually isn't likely, has already appealed 205 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 2: her conviction, so this stuff is going to come back 206 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: up during the appeals process that she doesn't want made public. 207 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: Everything you said makes sense from a prosecutor standpoint, that's 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: going to impact my case. If I release all these 209 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: documents unseal them. That actually makes sense. Nobody's going to 210 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: buy that. No, No, okay, I say conspiracy theorists. They 211 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: call themselves truth seekers, fine, and nobody is ever going 212 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: to believe. I really do think you could open the 213 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: Epstein room with all the files and let the whole 214 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: public go in, and nobody is still going to believe 215 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: anything other than what they believe, which is that he 216 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: was murdered. And there is a long list of influential 217 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: people out there that just exists. 218 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: Look, and the truth is, I think most people know 219 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 2: or a lot of people have heard about my hot 220 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: mic moment. And I had been frustrated at my former 221 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: network for not being able to put out these stories 222 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: about Jeffrey Epstein before this all came to light with 223 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: one of the victims, Virginia. 224 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: And you know, every one of these victims have very. 225 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: Different experiences, and they told their truth to police, they 226 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: told their truth to the courts, and a lot of 227 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: these documents were sealed. So there has been a lot 228 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: there has been a major problem with transparency in the 229 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: years leading up to Epstein even being arrest and then 230 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 2: put behind bars. But there there's a fair amount of skepticism, 231 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: and I would say that it's a fair thing for 232 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: a lot of folks to be skeptical about what information 233 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: has gotten out because there were a lot of powerful 234 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: people implicated or names were brought up, and so then 235 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: to just say, oh, nope, there's no list, there's no 236 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: indication of any powerful person being on Epstein's computer or 237 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: on the payroll or being a part of any on 238 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: his planes. Like there's just it's hard to imagine that 239 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: there isn't some sort of Maybe there isn't a formal list, 240 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: but it's hard to imagine there isn't some sort of 241 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: information that does have names on it. 242 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: I get, I don't know. I mean, at this point, 243 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: nobody out trust and who do you believe? Who has 244 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: seen it? Who knows does it? Is it really just? 245 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: I mean the President called it a hoax that by 246 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: call me her dad rather changed comy, and President Obama. 247 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: A hoax too, and Biden too to create. 248 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: Some just mindset put out there that it's some list 249 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: and people you dangle it in front of them like 250 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: a rabbit in front of great hand, and they're just 251 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: gonna chaste and they're not gonna stop. And it's working 252 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,479 Speaker 1: actually if that's the case. But you talk about skepticism, 253 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: at what point do skepticism become go from healthy skepticism 254 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: to unhealthy? 255 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: That's that's a fair point. 256 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: At what point do you have to believe something or 257 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: stop something or I don't know that answer. 258 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: Nothing pisses people off more though, I think in this 259 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: country and probably around the world to think that powerful 260 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 2: people with a lot of money can protect themselves no 261 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: matter what, and you're never gonna find out because they 262 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: have enough money and have enough power to protect not 263 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: just themselves, but they're other rich, powerful friends and it's 264 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: in us versus them situation. And this is how conspiracy 265 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: theories begin. And they might begin with truth, but then 266 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: they do sometimes balloon and become something larger than they 267 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: ever were meant to be. It's just it's tough to 268 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 2: find out where the truth is, you know. I have 269 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: skepticism about all of this. I don't know where you stand, 270 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: but certainly I do with the interviews that I had 271 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: done and the research I had done for several years, 272 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: I have skepticism. 273 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 274 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: So they might be truthful when they say there isn't 275 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: a client list, but it's hard for me to imagine 276 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: that there aren't documents, there isn't something, There wasn't something 277 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: they found they raided his homes that didn't have some 278 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: sort of connection to people who don't want their names 279 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: getting out. 280 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: The idea there is that somebody is being protected and 281 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: in some way, some powerful person is being protected in 282 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: some way, Maureen Comy might have had a hand in 283 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: some of that. Even if she isn't conspiring with people 284 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: to do it, she's at least saying, we don't want 285 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: these documents to get out, and she has her reasons 286 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: for it, and so maybe she got caught up in 287 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: all that. Now that was one reason they're talking about. 288 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: The other reason her daddy. 289 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ, 290 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: where we are talking about more Comy. She has been 291 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: fired from her job as a lead prosecutor in the 292 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: Southern District of New York. She's been with the office 293 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: for ten years. She's the daughter of James Comy. She 294 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: was also a lead prosecutor in the Epstein case, in 295 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: the Glene Maxwell case, and of course in the Sean 296 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: Diddy Comb's case. And a lot of people are just 297 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: trying to figure out why why she was suddenly let 298 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: go on Wednesday after having all of that experience and 299 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: having had a stellar reputation. It's unclear right now, but 300 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: a lot of folks are pointing to her father, James Comy. 301 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have to say that as of this recording, 302 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: at least, there has been no official word from anybody 303 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: explaining why but it sucks when your last name is Comy. Yeah, 304 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: and you work in the Justice Department, which is under 305 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: the Trump administration of a president who absolutely hates your dad. Correct, 306 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: what is she supposed to do? James has been one 307 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: of the top five public nemesis for sure Trump. 308 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: And it only got worse back in May when her father, 309 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: James Comy, decided to post something on social media on vacation. 310 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: He was at the beach. 311 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: He should just be enjoying his time off. 312 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: That tells you a lot about this relationship. He's on 313 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: the beach on vacation. 314 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: Still he Trump, and he's arranging seashells. And he didn't 315 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: find them that way as he tried to say, he 316 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: just happened upon seashells. 317 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: Did he say that he found him the way he said? 318 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: He just he was just saying, I want look what 319 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: I found on the beach. I mean, he was probably 320 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: saying it with his tongue, tongue. 321 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: In his cheek. 322 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: But still, I mean, we all know he put those 323 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: shells in the formation of eight six four seven, eighty 324 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: six forty seven. 325 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: You can figure out it's not too hard. 326 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: The eighty six something is to kill something and forty seven, 327 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: the number of Donald Trump. 328 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: He's the forty seventh. 329 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: The president states, he's saying, oh, I didn't mean that, 330 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to incite violence, and look they went. 331 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: I do believe that he probably was saying get rid 332 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: of forty seven, which also seems a little childish for 333 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: the former FBI director to be saying get rid of 334 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: Donald Trump with seashells that you know, so you can 335 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: say it is silly, stupid mistake. But he actually is 336 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 2: being investigated for a call to violence against like an 337 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: assassination attempt against President Trump. That's how seriously the Justice 338 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: Department and the FBI said they were taking it. 339 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: So, yes, he is currently under investigation by the Trump 340 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: administration for inciting violence against the president of the United States. 341 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: Hmm. 342 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: Now his daughter just got fired. 343 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: He said it was mad, that was med. So that 344 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: was a couple of months ago. This goes back to 345 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: friaking twenty seventeen. Trump first term came into office. Call 346 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: me Me was the FBI director who had been appointed by 347 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: President Obama. Before that, he was in the Justice Department 348 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,239 Speaker 1: serving under George W. 349 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: Bush. 350 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: So the guy has been around and has some experience. 351 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Trump asked him for his loyalty. The way Comy tells 352 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: this story, they were at some event and Trump he 353 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: was Trump, and his people asked him they wanted him 354 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: to be loyal. He was so disturbed by that interaction 355 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: that he went and made like a record of it. 356 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: And then over the years he has been slowly putting 357 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: out stuff and exposing some of the things from behind 358 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: the scenes. He's been highly critical of the President, and 359 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: the President eventually fired him. But that history goes back 360 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: and forth. We're talking almost that's eight plus years that 361 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: these two have been going at it publicly in some way. 362 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Comy wrote a book in where she called the president 363 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: ego driven at some point. So these two just don't 364 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: like each other. And now the Justice Department, the FBI 365 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: questioned him about the Shales thing. But there's another investigation 366 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: they've confirmed is going on, having to possibly do with Russia. 367 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 2: That goes back to twenty sixteen. 368 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: What are we These two don't like each Other's what 369 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So if Maureen Comy is working for a 370 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: guy who hates her dad, and now the Epstein thing 371 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: comes up and Trump is taking all kinds of heat 372 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: for that, I got this woman here in the Justice 373 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: debarment who was tied to Epstein. I already don't like her, daddy, 374 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: and here we are. 375 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a win win for him. 376 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: He solved two problems by firing Maureen Kmy And that's 377 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: just the truth of it. 378 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: And we all know he's not funny. I'm sorry, I 379 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: know I laugh at the way you put that. 380 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 3: Cor Obviously, this is awful. 381 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: A woman lost her job. I'm pretty sure she was 382 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: passionate about the work she did and she worked really 383 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: really hard at it. And so to have it in 384 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: this way based on what not your performance, not something 385 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: you did, not your record, not your you didn't even 386 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: make a misstep and say something stupid. This woman ain't 387 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: out there on TV every day. 388 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: She's not saying she kept her. 389 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: Head down to the whole thing. She was not seeking publicity. 390 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: You have to say that about her. You think about 391 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: the Diddy trial, all the publicity seekers there were who 392 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: had different roles in there, even if they were like 393 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: just satellite roles. She you never heard her ever do anything. 394 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 2: So and look, the two of us, no more than anyone, 395 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: what it's like to lose a job from a pr perspective, 396 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: and that's exactly what's happening here, and it's you know, 397 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 2: it made me very sad to see that someone who 398 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: was qualified and a hard worker and had a stellar 399 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: record losing her job because of politics and pr and 400 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: perception and maybe even just because of one man. 401 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: And nothing she actually did. It's I don't know this 402 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: woman at all now, don't know anything about her background, 403 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: nothing else. All I know is that she did her 404 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: job and today she's out of that job. Look, she's 405 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. I'm sure she's gonna who knows what 406 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: this is going to mean for her down the road. 407 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: It's just it sucks that this is where we are 408 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: and this is what we do and a woman who 409 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't know ropes prosecutors. I mean, we have to 410 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: support them, applaud them. What do we I mean? I still, 411 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: as much as we talk about the justice system, there 412 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: are plenty of people out there in prosecutor's offices doing 413 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: good work. 414 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: Yes, and we. 415 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: Need them to actually get bad people off the street. 416 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: Yes. It's just a shame to think that this actually 417 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: sends a message to prosecutors everywhere. We've talked a lot 418 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: about Trump's influence on the media and what maybe now 419 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: mainstream media networks are afraid to cover or are tailoring 420 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: what they cover out of fear of lawsuits or retribution 421 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 2: or access or denied access. Same thing with the prosecutor's office. 422 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: That's also deeply concerning. If you're afraid you're going to 423 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: lose your job if you do something the executive branch 424 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: doesn't like. That's a scary, scary thing. And this is 425 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: actually a little frightening when you take it in a 426 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: macro view. It's a little concerning about what this means 427 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: about the different arms of government and its influence on 428 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: media and on the justice side and all that. 429 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: We still have to wonder what it means for the 430 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: ditty case. Yes, look, there is a battle going on 431 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: in argument over how much time this man should have 432 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: been in prison. Does it make an impact and not 433 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: have her a part of that. 434 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 3: It has to have an impact. It has to have 435 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 3: an impact. 436 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: She had to know that case backwards and forwards as 437 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: one of the lead prosecutors, one of the lead solicitors 438 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: in this. 439 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: So you know, we shall see. 440 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: I'll be curious to see if the defense, if anyone 441 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: else has a comment about this firing and what it 442 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: may mean for the ditty trial going forward, but we 443 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,479 Speaker 2: will of course continue to cover all the ins and 444 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: outs leading up to sentencing and beyond, So thank you 445 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: for listening to us. As always, I'm Amy roboch On, 446 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: behalf of my partner t J. Holmes. 447 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: Have a great day, everybody,