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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Chandler Rome, joined by Tyler Stafford and the first

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Speaker 1: major league free agent to sign this winter Nate Pierson. Nate,

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Speaker 1: you didn't waste any time here, man? How are you?

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Speaker 1: And what was this kind of a weird free agency process,

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Speaker 1: like signing during the playoffs before really free agency even begins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I didn't have to wait till the

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Speaker 2: World Series over since I ended up getting defaed by

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Speaker 2: the Cubs and like the last week, so I kind

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Speaker 2: of just kickstarted everything a lot sooner, which is I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of thankful that I already have my next opportunity

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Speaker 2: and lucky for it to be the Astros.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for those that don't know, Nate Pearson, you know,

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Speaker 1: signed a one year, one point three to five million

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Speaker 1: dollar deal with the Astros. Last week it became official.

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Speaker 1: I believe on Tuesday. You took your physical in Houston

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Speaker 1: on Monday. Now officially an Astra. I wonder how much

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Speaker 1: did how much do you get involved in like teams

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Speaker 1: that were after you, teams that wanted you? Did you

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Speaker 1: leave that all to your agent and kind of what

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Speaker 1: made the Astros the the place that you wanted to

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Speaker 1: to spend this season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, definitely.

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Speaker 2: My my agent definitely spearheads and he kind of like

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Speaker 2: fills me in on like what team teams are saying

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Speaker 2: and like what their ballpark they're.

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Speaker 3: Offering and everything.

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Speaker 2: But what made me choose Houston is there you know,

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Speaker 2: they're giving me the opportunity to start again, and I

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Speaker 2: thought that was very interesting.

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Speaker 3: I've always wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Get another opportunity because I feel like with the Jay's

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Speaker 2: I kind of battled through some injuries and it kind

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Speaker 2: of just they went out and signed guys and filled

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Speaker 2: the rotation and kind of just you know, I had

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Speaker 2: to be in the bullpen. So I was looking for

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Speaker 2: that another opportunity to start, and I think the Astros

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Speaker 2: were going to be a perfect fit.

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Speaker 4: So is that something that you put out there that like, hey,

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Speaker 4: I'm interested in starting. Did they ask has come to

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Speaker 4: you and and make that uh an offer?

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Speaker 1: Or yeah? How does that work? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So the Astros came to me and offered it, and

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Speaker 2: I had a couple of the offers, but they were

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Speaker 2: just relievers and uh just for relief, and that was

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Speaker 2: they offered first. And it was kind of just like,

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Speaker 2: they want to give you the opportunity to start, and

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Speaker 2: they still see me as a starter, and so I

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Speaker 2: kind of just ran with it, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: opportunity and the potential.

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Speaker 3: So kind of made it pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: You obviously, I mean, you get you get drafted out

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Speaker 1: of Juco, your first couple of years in the minor leagues,

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Speaker 1: you do function like a traditional starter. And then kind

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Speaker 1: of you mentioned there were some injuries, you dealt with

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Speaker 1: some injuries. The Blue Jays were obviously at a point

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Speaker 1: then where they were kind of in win now. They

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Speaker 1: had good teams, they were they were trying to win

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Speaker 1: in the present. Kind of what happened with going from

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Speaker 1: starting to relieving. Was it just a the injury was

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Speaker 1: a Toronto's plan and kind of what do you relish

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Speaker 1: the most now about getting that chance to start again? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, I think it was just because I debuted during

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Speaker 2: COVID and it was like super weird, you know, just

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Speaker 2: sixty games, and I made like I made like five

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Speaker 2: so I didn't have enough time to build back up.

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Speaker 2: And then so that I just they just stuck me

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Speaker 2: it kind of opened their eyes like, Okay, this guy

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Speaker 2: next spring train, the plan was to be built up

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Speaker 2: of different random injuries and I kind of just missed

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Speaker 2: to the point where they had to move on and

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Speaker 2: signed like Kevin Gosman, Yusai Kakucci and all those like

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Speaker 2: you know, I still thankful for the opportunity and still

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Speaker 3: Definitely root for him.

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Speaker 1: Since you mentioned Kokuchi, I wonder how much of how

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Speaker 1: much do you or did you know about the Astros

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Speaker 1: kind of pitching infrastructure and the way they develop pitchers,

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Speaker 1: because Kakuchi's a very good example of a guy that

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Speaker 1: was struggling in Toronto, came over at the deadline a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and they turned him into a

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Speaker 1: very one of the best starters in baseball down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: They've done that with a lot of different pitchers. How

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Speaker 1: much were you aware of that and how much of

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Speaker 1: that maybe impact you, know, you choosing to come to Houston.

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Speaker 2: I definitely remember like when he when he got traded,

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Speaker 2: because I got traded around the same time, and I

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Speaker 2: remember watching his whole year that year and then him

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Speaker 2: going to the Astros and then kind of just turning

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Speaker 2: it around and then, you know, put himself in a

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Speaker 2: grape position be a free agent, sign a nice deal.

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Speaker 3: But that was like one of the things I talked

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Speaker 2: Like how they were able to what they're able to

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Speaker 2: do with Kakuchi, and like how they they believe that

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Speaker 2: they have some ideas for me coming into the year

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Speaker 2: that could help me out and help me smooth that

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Speaker 3: And so I thought it was very interesting.

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Speaker 4: So how soon did they say, hey, here's how to

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Speaker 4: throw a sinker, because I feel like that's, uh, that's

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Speaker 4: the trick for everyone. How soon does that happen?

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Speaker 3: I mean I already started throwing a sinker.

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Speaker 2: I started learning a little bit, not this last season

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Speaker 2: the Cubs and I started throwing it. Mainly did rities

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Speaker 2: just to get it inside open up the slider away

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Speaker 2: already I've already kind of have that in the arsenal.

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Speaker 2: Whether we lean on bit more, I'm waiting to, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how much of this makes it

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Speaker 4: obviously Hunter Brown has become one of the best starters

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Speaker 4: in baseball? Is it common knowledge outside of like Astros

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Speaker 4: since throwing that sinker has been you know, one of

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Speaker 4: the best pitchers in baseball. Is that a thing that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's just like for guys

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Speaker 2: if even if it's not like an elite sinker, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't even have to be that. It just has to

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Speaker 2: you throw that down and in, or you can even

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Speaker 2: I think everything just plays up. And you saw it

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Speaker 3: So I thought it was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you hit on something there that I don't think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of maybe outside fans appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, something like the sinker doesn't even have

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Speaker 1: changes entirely kind of how hitters approach you. You mentioned Nate,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned your your arsenal. Obviously you've been predominantly fastball, slider,

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Speaker 1: it up to one hundred ninety seven ninety eight. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think and to be a starter, and if

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Speaker 1: you want to stick in a rotation, obviously you're going

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Speaker 1: to need maybe a couple more pitches. Kind Of where

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Speaker 1: do you think maybe your other pitches are and what

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Speaker 1: are you looking forward most to maybe refining in your

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Speaker 2: I mean I still throw a curveball. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: like a knuckle curve, and then I have a change

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Speaker 2: mainly I've been leaning on the fastball, slider and curveball

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Speaker 2: occasionally kind of just haven't thrown a change up in

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Speaker 2: a couple of years, but I do throw it in

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Speaker 3: Just still working on it. Just coming out of the

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Speaker 2: Just get three quick outs and leverage, you know, you're

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Speaker 2: not really looking to set guys up for the you know,

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Speaker 2: the turnaround of the lineup. You know, you're just trying

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Speaker 2: to go at these guys with your best stuff, and

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Speaker 2: so I kind of just fit into that mold. But

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Speaker 2: now that I'm going back to starting, I was still

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Speaker 2: able to work on my pitches and when warm.

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Speaker 3: Ups and stuff, so.

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Speaker 2: Just be able to knock off the rest of those

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Speaker 4: What does the off season look like for you? Like,

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Speaker 4: how is it different knowing that you're coming into spring

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Speaker 4: hear like, oh you got to out, you know, these

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Speaker 2: I think it's just volume, Like when you're when you're

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, you mentioned, uh that you've talked to

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Speaker 2: No, he was just he was just really excited that

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he was. He was just very uh open and.

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Speaker 3: So I was thinking about that as he.

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Speaker 1: Before we get you out of here, you have mentioned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're They got the goodest chance as anyone,

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Speaker 2: just seeing how how how he's doing. Ery Clement played

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Speaker 2: we went to and out. So it's you know, just

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Speaker 2: It was it's just it's just cool to watch and

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Speaker 1: You said it. They have as good a shot as anyone,

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Speaker 1: and it'll be fascinating to watch play out one more

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Speaker 1: before we get you added to no Astros fans are

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Speaker 2: With no I mean, he's what you see on TV

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Speaker 3: We trained together in the off season.

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Speaker 2: just it's awesome to see all the work he's put

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Speaker 4: Was he was he digging in the dirt on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I remember facing him when we were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know why he has to, you know why

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Speaker 1: up this all. Have you teased him yet that you

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Speaker 2: No, I have, and no I haven't talked to him yet,

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Speaker 2: they get the right fit. But it's definitely gonna be

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Speaker 2: exciting to see where he goes. I know he's gonna

442
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Speaker 2: have a bunch of bunch of teams wanted them, so

443
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun for him.

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Speaker 1: So he definitely will and maybe maybe there's a reality

445
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Speaker 1: where you'll you'll face him in the big leagues as

446
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Speaker 1: a as a starter in the Astros rotation. Nate told

447
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Speaker 1: you we wouldn't keep you very long. This was great.

448
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking some time to join us

449
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Speaker 1: and introduce yourself to your new team and your new

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Speaker 1: fan base, and we appreciate it, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you in West Palm Beach in February.

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Speaker 3: Good luck until then sounds good. Thank you guys, thanks

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Speaker 3: for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thanks next Nate, We'll be right back right after this

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Crush City Territory presented by Fox one

477
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Speaker 1: and Tyler. That was that was insightful, very insightful. We

478
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Speaker 1: do a good job of getting insightful players on here.

479
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: More should want to come on if they're listening. I

480
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting to hear him, you know, I

481
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Speaker 1: did not want to make the Force Whitley comp like

482
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Speaker 1: while he was on with us, but you heard some

483
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Speaker 1: of the same stuff that Force Whitley you know, has

484
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Speaker 1: told me in interviews, has said in other places that

485
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Speaker 1: you know, look, a fresh start and just a clean

486
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Speaker 1: slate can be can be refreshing. And I thought it

487
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Speaker 1: was very self aware for him to say, you know,

488
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Speaker 1: like the expectations as he's coming up to the Blue

489
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Speaker 1: Jay's like I'm just twenty two, Like I just want

490
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Speaker 1: to pitch, like he didn't want to be the ace

491
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Speaker 1: and waiting. And I think it's very refreshing and no

492
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Speaker 1: surprise that Dana Brown has already been in contact with him,

493
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Speaker 1: and Dana Brown kind of pumping him up. That's that's

494
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Speaker 1: what Dana does very well. So the first piece I

495
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Speaker 1: think of what the Astros need this offseason pitching wise,

496
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Speaker 1: because I think, as you and I have talked about,

497
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Speaker 1: pitching needs to be not necessarily just frontline pitching, but

498
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Speaker 1: just depth, and that needs to be their priority. You know,

499
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Speaker 1: you look at I was crunching the numbers today. They're

500
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Speaker 1: losing three hundred and ninety eight in a third innings

501
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Speaker 1: from last season. And that's just with guys that we

502
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Speaker 1: know are not going to pitch because of surgery next

503
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Speaker 1: year or are just not on the team anymore. That

504
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Speaker 1: doesn't include the innings that Hayden was Nesky and Ronel

505
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Speaker 1: Blanco through because those guys had surgery so early early

506
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Speaker 1: enough last season that they could maybe come back and

507
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Speaker 1: contribute something in twenty twenty six. So that that number

508
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Speaker 1: of almost four hundred innings does not include was Neski

509
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Speaker 1: or Blanco. So I think it just goes to show that,

510
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Speaker 1: like I think, there could be more signings like Nate

511
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Speaker 1: Pearson coming, guys that you know, you look at their

512
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Speaker 1: Baseball Savant, their savant and their Baseball Reference page. You

513
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Speaker 1: may not love the counting stats, but guys that they

514
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Speaker 1: think they can get their hands on, get their pitching guys,

515
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Speaker 1: you know, get with their pitching guys and can really

516
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Speaker 1: give them a lot of options because that's they need.

517
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Speaker 1: They need options and they need depth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really interesting to me that the Astros identified

519
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Speaker 4: and targeted him as a starter. You know, he's he's

520
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Speaker 4: played five years and in the big league's been in

521
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Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty three games and he started six

522
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Speaker 4: of them. You know, it's just it's interesting. Obviously they

523
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Speaker 4: checked with him and wanted to make sure he was

524
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Speaker 4: still interested in doing that or you know, touch base there.

525
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Speaker 4: But I mean it goes to show that, you know,

526
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Speaker 4: these these guys exist out there. And and again, the

527
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Speaker 4: Astros have done a really good job at identifying candidates

528
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Speaker 4: like this, and sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't,

529
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Speaker 4: but they've they've had a very good track record of

530
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Speaker 4: finding guys like Nate Pearson and having success with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I know you look at his big league

532
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Speaker 1: numbers and he's only started six big league but I

533
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Speaker 1: mean in the minors, like his first two years in

534
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Speaker 1: the minor leagues, I think all of his appearances were starts.

535
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Speaker 1: So this is not somebody. This is not maybe a

536
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Speaker 1: Clay Holmes situation, where like Clay Holmes was the Yankees'

537
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Speaker 1: closer for three years and then they're like, oh, we're

538
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Speaker 1: going to make you a starter. Like he's still young

539
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Speaker 1: enough in his major league development that I don't like.

540
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Speaker 1: It's certainly going to be something he's going to have

541
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Speaker 1: to reacclimate to, But this isn't something that's going to

542
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Speaker 1: be completely foreign to him, and I think it's certainly

543
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Speaker 1: something that again, if you put your faith in the

544
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Speaker 1: Astros pitching development infrastructure, which Dana Brown certainly has a

545
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Speaker 1: ton of faith in them, I would imagine most fans

546
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Speaker 1: do to just given everything they've done. It's certainly a

547
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Speaker 1: guy that there's there's a huge high ceiling, and whether

548
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Speaker 1: he hits that high ceiling is to be determined. But

549
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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting too Tyler to to hear

550
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Speaker 1: him say like he's happy that it's done now that

551
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Speaker 1: I mean it's October twenty second, Like he can now

552
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Speaker 1: prepare for the next three months to be a starter.

553
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Speaker 1: And it's not the situation where he was going to

554
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Speaker 1: sign somewhere in January, have to report to spring training

555
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Speaker 1: in three weeks and then oh, yeah, you're starting.

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Speaker 3: To Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, I it's a it's really

558
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Speaker 4: interesting that the Astros uh did that and reached out

559
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Speaker 4: as early as they did. But yeah, it gives them

560
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Speaker 4: a whole off season now to to prepare. And I

561
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Speaker 4: can't wait to see the Sinker first time. It's gonna

562
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Speaker 4: it's gonna hit so hard.

563
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Speaker 1: I think as we're talking about this, I think everyone

564
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Speaker 1: wants to know kind of who's next, or like who

565
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Speaker 1: else could they target? Justin Verlander is obvious. I I'm

566
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Speaker 1: not speaking out of turn here when I can tell

567
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Speaker 1: you that like there has been that there is interest,

568
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Speaker 1: like there's interest in both sides, and that's not that's

569
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Speaker 1: not something that I'm just like unearthing. Like Justin Verlanders

570
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Speaker 1: said it when he was here last year with the Giants.

571
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Speaker 1: He did a scrum and said, oh yeah, I'm always

572
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Speaker 1: I'm always be interested in coming back here. And yes,

573
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Speaker 1: that that still maintains. But if if they're going to

574
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Speaker 1: do that, if if Justin Verlander is like a serious,

575
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Speaker 1: a serious candidate to come back Tyler, at what point

576
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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that I would never doubt.

577
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Speaker 1: I don't think doubt is the right word, But at

578
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Speaker 1: what point do you start to look at him as

579
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Speaker 1: like okay, like he's he's about to be forty three

580
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Speaker 1: years old, Like, at what point where is the balance

581
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Speaker 1: there of like knowing what he has done as an astro,

582
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Speaker 1: knowing what he has done in his career with also

583
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Speaker 1: just the mere fact that like age and father time

584
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Speaker 1: catches up with everyone not you know, no matter who

585
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Speaker 1: you are.

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Speaker 4: Uh, when he says he's done, I think he knows

587
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Speaker 4: himself better than anybody. He is a fierce competitor. He

588
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: would not want to go out there and get shelled,

589
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Speaker 4: you know, like that's he's not interested in doing that.

590
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Speaker 4: I think if he thinks he can get people out,

591
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Speaker 4: he's going to keep pitching. And Yeah, at forty three

592
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Speaker 4: and twenty some odd years in the big leagues, I

593
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Speaker 4: think he's earned the ability to say, yeah, I'm good

594
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Speaker 4: to go out there, and you just let him go

595
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Speaker 4: and see what happens. I mean, obviously, you know, he

596
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Speaker 4: goes out in the first eight starts, he didn't make

597
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Speaker 4: it past the third inning and has a fifteen era.

598
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Speaker 1: You know.

599
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Speaker 4: Again, he is aware of that in the same way

600
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Speaker 4: that we talked about, you know, a couple of years

601
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Speaker 4: ago with the playoffs, when he wasn't right and he

602
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Speaker 4: wasn't able to perform at the level that he did.

603
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Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't on the roster for the wild

604
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Speaker 4: Card series, and I think that says a lot about

605
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Speaker 4: him that he recognizes when he's able to pitch at

606
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Speaker 4: the level that he wants to and when he's not.

607
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Speaker 4: And I mean at this point, look, he ended the

608
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Speaker 4: season great. If he thinks he can go out there

609
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Speaker 4: and get outs, then let him do it.

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Speaker 1: Just see what happens. I think the other thing about

611
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Speaker 1: a possible Verlander reunion would be he ain't getting a

612
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Speaker 1: multi year deal, like I don't care, like he's forty

613
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Speaker 1: three years old, like it'd be. It'd be one of

614
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Speaker 1: these things. It'd be a one year deal, and it

615
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Speaker 1: wouldn't like maybe because we have seen where the Ashers

616
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Speaker 1: have aired and free agency has been that they have

617
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Speaker 1: tied themselves to older free agents for a long time

618
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Speaker 1: and you know, they just got Josea. Brady off the books,

619
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Speaker 1: and it's one of these things where he would be

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would be quote unquote cheap. It

621
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Speaker 1: would be cheaper than you know, justin Verlander three years

622
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Speaker 1: ago was, but it would be a short term commitment.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you're looking just for the twenty

624
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Speaker 1: twenty six season while you're waiting for I don't know,

625
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Speaker 1: Miguel Yola or Bryce Mayor or Ethan Peco or aj

626
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Speaker 1: Bluebaugh to like blossom into actual rotation pieces. I think

627
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Speaker 1: that's I think that's usable. I think that's serviceable. That

628
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Speaker 1: for a one year deal, for that sort of for

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Speaker 1: just focusing on this season.

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Speaker 4: But while he made he made fifty million last year,

631
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Speaker 4: that seems reasonable, you know, somewhere around that number one

632
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Speaker 4: year deal, see what happens. Yeah, and you know you

633
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Speaker 4: can you can always do it again the next year

634
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Speaker 4: if it makes sense. But I mean, I again, I

635
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Speaker 4: think he he is aware, like, yeah, I'm on one

636
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Speaker 4: year deals at this point in his career, and I'm

637
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Speaker 4: sure he's okay with that.

638
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Speaker 1: Well, at least while we're talking about it. We're going

639
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Speaker 1: to If you're on YouTube, you can look. I'll share

640
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Speaker 1: the screen. And these are just the top free agent pitchers.

641
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Speaker 1: This is This is from MLB dot com. Thank you

642
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Speaker 1: so much for compiling this list MLB dot com so

643
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Speaker 1: I didn't have to look. What it is is It

644
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Speaker 1: shows their age and then next to it it shows

645
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Speaker 1: how many how much war they accumulated last season. Tyler

646
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Speaker 1: scanning that list.

647
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Speaker 4: Chris Sale had a ten win season last year.

648
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Speaker 1: He's quite good. We don't have to go all like,

649
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Speaker 1: there's a little bit more down here. But any of

650
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Speaker 1: these names catch your eye, any of these names, you're like, oh, man,

651
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Speaker 1: like that he fits perfect.

652
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Speaker 4: I think at this point the Astros are in back

653
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Speaker 4: into the rotation starter mode.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they obviously need top end guys, but the

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Speaker 4: Astros are not one number one or number two starter

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Speaker 4: away from being complete. And so when you think about

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Speaker 4: the money that they do have to spend, the amount

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Speaker 4: of money that you would have to tie up in

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Speaker 4: a number one or number two starter eats into what

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Speaker 4: you can do elsewhere. And you know, like we said

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Speaker 4: right now, they need depth. I would much rather have

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Speaker 4: four number four starters that you can count on than

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Speaker 4: one number two starter, because the Astros need just good

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Speaker 4: pitching throughout the year as opposed to one great pitcher

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Speaker 4: to really get them over the edge.

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Speaker 1: And I mean they do have a number one they

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Speaker 1: have exactly. It's not as if they need to go

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Speaker 1: out and get an ace now. I mean if they

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Speaker 1: wanted to. If Jim Crane wakes up one morning, he's like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, screw the luxury tax, We're going Bassett

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Speaker 1: again for the third year. Sure they'll go out and

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Speaker 1: get Rangers WZ or Chris Sale or who or whomever

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Speaker 1: or maybe resigned from or who knows, But they they've

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Speaker 1: got a one. They are paying Christian Xavier as if

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Speaker 1: he is a one or two. And if you think

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Speaker 1: that the last four starts of twenty twenty five were

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Speaker 1: encouraging enough to tell you that he can get back

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Speaker 1: to that you know, borderline one, maybe a two level,

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Speaker 1: then that's a pretty good start. You got Brown, you

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Speaker 1: got Javier. They still need whether it's Verlander, whether it's

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Speaker 1: another veteran of that ilk. I saw Chris Bassett's name

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Speaker 1: on that list, that that's a name that you.

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Speaker 4: Know, they're paying another guy, like a top end starter

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Speaker 4: to our team.

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Speaker 1: So not just you know, Dylan CeCILL be a free agent.

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Speaker 1: It's it was obvious that they were after him pretty

688
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Speaker 1: badly at the trade deadline. I'd imagine their interest has

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Speaker 1: not dome since then. But I don't think he's going

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Speaker 1: to be maybe in that again, unless Jim Crane decides

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Speaker 1: to throw caution to the wind and run a huge

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Speaker 1: payroll I don't envision that happening, but obviously they've had

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Speaker 1: interests in Dylan Ce's. You talked about Lance mccullors. It

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Speaker 1: would be very, very advantageous for the whole team and

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Speaker 1: for him. I'm not saying he has to come in

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Speaker 1: the camp and start throwing like a number two or

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Speaker 1: three starter, but just to be serviceable.

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Speaker 4: Just like if you can fifteen outs every five days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, five and dive if you can. If you can

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Speaker 1: five and dive and keep your team in the game, Okay,

701
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Speaker 1: like that would be that would be welcomed for them.

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Speaker 1: But I think they they are going to need just

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Speaker 1: a veteran, stabilizing kind of person. And look Verlander, I mean,

704
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Speaker 1: he threw one hundred and fifty two innings last year

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Speaker 1: and that was with you know, I think he I

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Speaker 1: think he's I think he started, he was hurt at

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Speaker 1: some point and then the second half of his season

708
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Speaker 1: was very good. Yeah. So it's not as if it's

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Speaker 1: not as if this would just be Jim Crane reuniting

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Speaker 1: with his golf buddy just because, like I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: he was a very he was a very serviceable picture

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Speaker 1: for them last year that had a three eight five era, Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he he is the sort of he profiles

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Speaker 1: as the sort of ilk that they need.

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Speaker 4: But last thirteen starts he had a two sixty RA

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Speaker 4: in seventy two innings, Like he is striking out a

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Speaker 4: guy per nine. I mean, he's yeah, you do that,

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Speaker 4: come home.

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder, like how I do wonder whether

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Speaker 1: I wonder whether they would look to more guys like

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Speaker 1: Nate Pearson and maybe a little more established than Nate Pearson.

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Speaker 1: Is just guys that they see some things that they

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Speaker 1: can tweak with, but guys that maybe their actual production,

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Speaker 1: their their counting stats aren't going to warrant a huge paycheck.

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Speaker 1: Guys that you bring in for a little bit less,

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Speaker 1: turn them into great pitchers and then go on your

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Speaker 1: married away next year. Like I wonder whether it be

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Speaker 1: more beneficial to get two or three of those guys,

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Speaker 1: get two or three lottery tickets. Hope you hit on

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Speaker 1: one or two of them, and you use that money

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Speaker 1: in those wells other than maybe tying it up in

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Speaker 1: just forty three year old Justin Verlander.

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Speaker 4: Well, you also have the flexibility too of you know,

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Speaker 4: again you're gonna need to get a lot of innings

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Speaker 4: from your pitching staff. And we saw this year they

736
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Speaker 4: went to a six man rotation for a while. They

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Speaker 4: cycled guys in and out from the bullpen into the rotation,

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Speaker 4: back to the bullpen. So signing a guy like Nate Pearson,

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Speaker 4: who has experience in both allows you to say, all right,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna skip your turn in the rotation this time

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Speaker 4: because of the way the schedule works. But that means

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Speaker 4: for the next week you're available as a long reliever

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Speaker 4: out of the bullpen or you know whatever. You still

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Speaker 4: have to get those outs no matter what, you know

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Speaker 4: at some point during the game, whether you're starting or

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Speaker 4: coming in the fifth inning or whatever. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: like we said, you just you can't go into the

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Speaker 4: season expecting Christian Haavier to pitch a full season, expecting

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Speaker 4: Lance mccullors to pitch a full season. But they're already

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Speaker 4: on your team like you're not. They're there, or Spencer

751
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Speaker 4: Aragedy or Spencer araghedtty. So you have a lot of

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Speaker 4: these guys who are there and who you hope can

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Speaker 4: be mainstays of your rotation. So you also don't necessarily

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Speaker 4: again don't want to fill up your rotation with guys

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Speaker 4: who are for sure number two, number three starters, and

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Speaker 4: then you don't have anywhere to put these other guys. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: that would be a phenomenal problem to have, one that

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Speaker 4: I don't think any baseball team has ever had to

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Speaker 4: deal with. We have too much good pitching. We don't

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Speaker 4: know what to do with them.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty two Astros would like a word.

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Speaker 4: That's true, they were pretty good. But you know that's

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Speaker 4: why I say I don't think they necessarily need to

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Speaker 4: go out and get a top end guy. I like

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Speaker 4: the signings like Pearson and other guys like that, where

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Speaker 4: like you said, you just kind of see what happens

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Speaker 4: and then you can focus that money that you do

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Speaker 4: starting pitching is one, but it's not one that they like.

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Speaker 4: We said they need the top heavy rotation guys.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Crush City Territory presented by Fox One,

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Speaker 1: where we're going to have a rare like non astros

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Speaker 1: discussion for like the last five minutes of this because

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Speaker 1: this entire saga has fascinated me since the athletics Andrew

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Speaker 1: Baggerly first reported it a couple of weeks ago. Tony

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Speaker 1: Vytello is the new manager of the San Francisco Giants.

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Speaker 1: For those listening that don't know who Tony Vitello is,

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Speaker 1: he had been the head baseball coach at the University

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Speaker 1: of Tennessee for the past eight seasons. And Tyler, you

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Speaker 1: and I both have covered a fair share of SEC baseball.

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Speaker 1: I think we can both say that while we were

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Speaker 1: in school, and while we were covering tennis, while we

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Speaker 1: were covering SEC baseball, Tennessee was a doormat, a program

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Speaker 1: that had nothing going for it, no fan support, no

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Speaker 1: real history or much behind it. Tony Vitello turned Tennessee

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Speaker 1: into probably the most polarizing program in college baseball. They

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Speaker 1: won the College World Series in twenty twenty three. They

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Speaker 1: have been I mean they were perennially and super regionals

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Speaker 1: in Omaha and Tony Vitello's tenure. Him going to the

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Speaker 1: Giants as their manager is fascinating for a couple of reasons. One,

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Speaker 1: he is the first person in Major League Baseball history

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Speaker 1: to become a manager straight from college with no professional

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Speaker 1: coaching experience. All of Tony Vitello's experience is in college baseball.

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Speaker 1: He was an assistant at Missouri, he was an assistant

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Speaker 1: at Arkansas, and then he got the head job at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Second of all, you just you don't see this. You

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Speaker 1: do not see college baseball coaches become managers. There's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a parallel with Pat Murphy, who is

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Speaker 1: a manager who's the current manager of the Brewers. He

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Speaker 1: coached at Arizona State for a while, got fired amid

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Speaker 1: some recruiting violations, I believe. But after he got fired,

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Speaker 1: he went and he managed in the minor leagues, in

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Speaker 1: pro but he had a ton of pro ball experience

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Speaker 1: before he got the Brewer's job when Craig Council left.

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Speaker 1: You've seen some coaches, some pitching coaches and some hitting coaches,

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Speaker 1: you know, go from pro to college. But This is

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Speaker 1: an unprecedented move for Tony Vitello. And if you've watched

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Speaker 1: college baseball in the last five years, Tony Vitello is

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Speaker 1: what's the best way to describe Tony Bytello. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say he's well liked among many of his peers in

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Speaker 1: college baseball.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 1: I think irritant would be an apt word for him.

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Speaker 1: He is very intense. He has If you go YouTube

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Speaker 1: search Tony Vitello, you can find him. Just be like,

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Speaker 1: there are some great arguments on the internet. He has confronted,

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Speaker 1: you know, rival coaches. He has and his team's played

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Speaker 1: with that edge. Like one thing about Tennessee baseball and

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Speaker 1: Tony Bytello's era, they played with a swagger. They played

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Speaker 1: with an edge. I can't curse on here, but they

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Speaker 1: played with an fu kind of mentality just we're better

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Speaker 1: than you and we're going to show you that, flipping

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Speaker 1: everything and just very very swaggy. I'm fascinated to see

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Speaker 1: how this goes because I don't know that that necessarily

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Speaker 1: will translate into a one hundred and sixty two game

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Speaker 1: season with adults that are making nine figures, but it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating to watch like, we have no precedent

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Speaker 1: for this, so we're all going to be learning together

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Speaker 1: whether this works.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be interesting. Again, a manager

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Speaker 4: at the big league level is essentially a psychologist. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're just trying to make sure that you keep the

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Speaker 4: locker room together, that you keep the energy up throughout

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Speaker 4: the year. He seems like the type of guy that

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Speaker 4: can manage big egos in a locker room. There certainly

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Speaker 4: were some of those in his program recently. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, baseball players in general are a bunch

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Speaker 4: of goofballs and you know, just want to they're playing

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Speaker 4: a game, you know, like that this isn't This isn't

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Speaker 4: like NFL coaching where you have to come in with

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Speaker 4: all this strategy and you've got to prepare you know,

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Speaker 4: the exact right offense versus the defense of that like

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00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: you should go out and play. And I think, yeah,

873
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Speaker 4: with the way that the game looks now, you certainly

874
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Speaker 4: could see this being a really good fit. I'm fascinated

875
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: to see. I mean, we've also seen major league coaches

876
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: go and coach in college because the money is really good.

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Speaker 4: That the was a Twins pitching coach that left to

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Speaker 4: be a college pitching coach. Yeah, oh he went to

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Speaker 4: see No. Oh, take another guess, Oh he went to LSU.

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00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 4: I think he said that's where he went. Yes, yeah,

881
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: So I don't know. We'll we'll see. Maybe maybe the

882
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: astros is high, some random hitting coach from a college

883
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 4: you know, who knows. We'll see.

884
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think. I think the biggest thing that's different

885
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: from college to pro ball is like college, you play

886
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: what on a busy week? You play five times a

887
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: week in college, but normally you're playing a game on

888
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: a Tuesday and in a three game set Friday to Sunday.

889
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: It's gonna I think Tony's gonna have to get He's

890
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: have to get a pretty experienced staff around him, just

891
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: maybe for the first year, just as someone that you know,

892
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: it's one thing managing a bullpen in college when you've

893
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: got your roster. How many can you have on a

894
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: on a college roster, like thirty six, thirty seven? Like

895
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: you can have twenty six guys on your major league

896
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: roster and only twelve orly eight or nine of them

897
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: are in the bullpen. Like, it's me a different reality there,

898
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: and it's also gonna be a different reality that he's

899
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: not picking the players. The one thing about in college,

900
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: like Tony Vaitello distinguished himself as a very good recruiter,

901
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: as someone that was constantly signing, you know, top the

902
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: top classes in college baseball. You look at some of

903
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: the guys that are in the show now that were

904
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: his guys. You know, Chase Burns who's pitched for the Reds,

905
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet was one of Tony Vitello's guys. Drew Gilbert,

906
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Speaker 1: who is now coincidentally on the Giants, was one of

907
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Tony Vitello's guys. So like, he's got a he's got it.

908
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: He got a ton of talent to Tennessee. But I

909
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: think it'd be interesting, like he's walking in there, like

910
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: you don't get to make the roster guy, Like you can,

911
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: you can have your input, but that's Buster Posey and

912
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: that's zach Manesian. And then you know if you go

913
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: to Buster Posey in the middle of the season, like hey,

914
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: I need a reliever, and it's like, no, you can't

915
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: just go get the best reliever from that school because

916
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna offer him this much like no, like you

917
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: were within the confines of a payroll, and it's it's

918
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: a lot more of a business, and it'll be fascinating

919
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: to see how it goes. I do think this may

920
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: be underscores and maybe more so when Wes Johnson, the

921
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: Twins pitching coach, left to go to LSU a couple

922
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: of years ago to be their pitching coach, I think

923
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: it really underscores the pay disparity. Tony Vitello is taking

924
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Speaker 1: a pay cut to go manage the San Francisco Giants.

925
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Speaker 1: Wes Johnson was making relatively nothing to be the pitching

926
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Speaker 1: coach the Minnesota Twins, and he went to LSU and

927
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Speaker 1: they gave him, you know, over a million dollars. College

928
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: coaches get paid a lot of money. Major league managers

929
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: and major league coaches do not get paid a lot

930
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: of money. This is all relative. They make more than

931
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Speaker 1: you and I do, but relatively speaking, they do not

932
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. But I do wonder, you know,

933
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: is this the start of a trend? Like, because now

934
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Speaker 1: you have nil in college like and you're seeing more

935
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Speaker 1: and more like Paul Schemes was barely in the minor

936
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: leagues before he made the big leagues. Cam Smith the

937
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: same thing, went to a prestigious college at Florida State

938
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Speaker 1: Chase Burns even didn't spend a ton of time in

939
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: the minor leagues. You're you're seeing college baseball and a

940
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: league baseball have never been closer. So I do wonder

941
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Speaker 1: if this may start a trend of I don't think

942
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: every team in baseball is going to go look for

943
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: the hot shot college coach to come manage them, but

944
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Speaker 1: I think if this goes well, certainly you could see

945
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: a new ilk of candidate emerge for the next maybe

946
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Speaker 1: cycle of managerial openings.

947
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited. It's going to be interesting that the

948
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 4: Giants have made some interesting manager decisions in the past

949
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 4: decade or so, so yeah, we'll see, how I mean,

950
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: with anything, if they're winning, you can be whatever you

951
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 4: want as a manager. If your team is winning sixty

952
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 4: percent of your game, you know, it doesn't matter, you

953
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: can you can act like whatever you want. I certainly

954
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 4: could see it, you know, if they're really bad, that

955
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: the antics don't don't.

956
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: Play as well.

957
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, look, baseball players, by and large

958
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 4: are you ung and not paid particularly well outside of

959
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 4: the veterans who have hit their free agent contract. But

960
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 4: you know, on a twenty six man roster, like seventeen

961
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 4: or eighteen of them are making the minimum or a

962
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 4: pre orb and are just fighting for roster spots in

963
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: a very similar way that college baseball players are. And

964
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Speaker 4: so yeah, I mean, I could certainly see how that

965
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: experience would be helpful and relevant in the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, we will And if you watched, Speaking.

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Speaker 4: Of colleges, you got any plans for the weekend, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to watch the winning is active coach in college

969
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: football do his job on Saturday. Can't wait? Can you telled?

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00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: Can you tell all excited?

971
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Speaker 4: I am, yes, I'm very excited. I'm very nervous. I've

972
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: set myself up there, locked up. I don't say that

973
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 4: you have not been around that. Listen, don't don't put

974
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 4: that on me yet. Okay, but yeah, we're gonna destroy

975
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: you and never gonna lose again at Gays will never

976
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 4: let me down. It's never happened before, never will since.

977
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Speaker 1: If you can't destroy this team, then I may, I may,

978
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Speaker 1: I may revise my thought about you having a playoff spot.

979
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Speaker 1: Locked up. I was gonna say, if you watch the

980
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Speaker 1: American League Championship series on Fox one, you should have

981
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Speaker 1: noticed that you cannot manage a game well and still win.

982
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

983
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Look at game five of the series when Dan Wilson

984
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: did some just bat bleep crazy stuff and he got

985
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Speaker 1: bailed out by au Heneo Suarez and Cal Rawley. He

986
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Speaker 1: did not get bailed out in game seven when he

987
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Speaker 1: did more dumb things and uh, let Eduardo Bizardo face

988
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: George Springer, who's going to go to the World Series

989
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: for an entire country against the Los Angeles Dodgers. And

990
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Speaker 1: as always, you can watch that on Fox one. You

991
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: can stream it on Fox one and then there's We've

992
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: got a free trial linked in the episode if you

993
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Speaker 1: want to check that out for the World Series. We

994
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Speaker 1: will talk about the World Series and everything that's going

995
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Speaker 1: on with it when we join you again this weekend,

996
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Speaker 1: but until then, you can follow me on x at

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Speaker 1: new episode. As always, thank you all for listening. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to Nate Pearson for joining us for the first

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes of this show. Is a great interview and

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Speaker 1: we will talk to you soon. Thanks guys, good.

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Speaker 4: Luck to America's team, the Toronto Blue Jays. Bye.