Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh my god, oh my god. Oh it was
Speaker 2: so big, Oh my god. Ew that wasp was like
Speaker 2: literally could pay rent in my room.
Speaker 1: It was so big.
Speaker 3: She's sheen im me no me not my.
Speaker 2: N yo yo yo no, what is your childhood?
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 1: Your life's going down the floor like.
Speaker 2: Round on the docket for a discussion today, Rose is
Speaker 2: Drag Race All Stars. The first two episodes all Stars.
Speaker 1: And something.
Speaker 3: Eight.
Speaker 1: Okay, good to know eight. I honestly thought it was seven.
Speaker 3: The more you know.
Speaker 2: Do you have initial faves from the jump or like
Speaker 2: a kind of impression of the cast as you started watching.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily have early favorites. Actually, no, that's a
Speaker 3: lie I do. I am obsessed with James Mansfield and
Speaker 3: I want her to win. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 3: this is like a virgin the show we give yesterday's
Speaker 3: pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose Daumu and I'm fran Torado.
Speaker 3: What I appreciated about the cast is that it has
Speaker 3: a very early drag Race mix of girls. And here's
Speaker 3: what I'll say. The season feels very off the rack.
Speaker 2: I tally agree off the rack and honey, it did
Speaker 2: not look as good on the Hangar as it did
Speaker 2: on the body.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Yeah, I mean I like
Speaker 3: that vibe for drag Race, especially because like with All
Speaker 3: Stars specifically, and coming ran off the tails of All
Speaker 3: Stars All winners, like that was the most polished, the
Speaker 3: most like custom costume, lip injections, filler blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: like it could be. And this season feels a little
Speaker 3: more haphazardly, like slapped together with quite a random assortment
Speaker 3: of queens. And I like that, but it did kind
Speaker 3: of show in the first two episodes it did not
Speaker 3: feel quite up to the level.
Speaker 2: I'll say that I have to agree with you. I
Speaker 2: felt like my first impression, I am very happy with
Speaker 2: this season so far. I actually think it's giving us
Speaker 2: some good drama and some good competitors. My initial reaction
Speaker 2: was that, speaking of filler, there are too many filler queens,
Speaker 2: and when you have an All Stars season, there.
Speaker 1: Should be no fillers period, Like even the fillers are stars.
Speaker 2: Like if you think about All Stars past, someone like
Speaker 2: Cocoa Montrees who went home first for All Stars two
Speaker 2: or All Stars three or whatever she was in when
Speaker 2: she went home first, it was like devastating because you're
Speaker 2: like damn, like someone like Cocoa is going home first,
Speaker 2: like she's not even I don't know that it was devastating.
Speaker 2: It was pretty it was pretty deserved. It was deserved.
Speaker 2: It was a totally deserved and same thing with this one. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, the people that went home I think were
Speaker 2: deserved were the people that were limited. I think deserved
Speaker 2: to go home, but they were filler queens with All
Speaker 2: Stars two or whatever, three whatever, Coca was not a
Speaker 2: filler queen. She I wanted her to be there. She
Speaker 2: was like such good TV. She was so funny. She's
Speaker 2: still a good competitor. And so I think that that's
Speaker 2: kind of something that's incredible about All Stars. It's like,
Speaker 2: because the talent is supposed to be on another level,
Speaker 2: everyone should be gagging us. And I just felt like
Speaker 2: like Monica and Nasha didn't need to be there.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really feel like, what is it?
Speaker 1: Is it not?
Speaker 2: Is it Jessica Wild Like she kind of feels like
Speaker 2: filler to me. Alexis Michelle also feels like filler to me.
Speaker 2: Although no, Babe, I think Alexis Michelle is making.
Speaker 3: It to the end.
Speaker 1: She's the moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't gag for her, but I think she
Speaker 3: is very polished. Yeah, her looks are good. She has
Speaker 3: a very clear perspective, she's good at the interviews. She's like,
Speaker 3: I see her making it to the end. Maybe not
Speaker 3: if there was a different lineup of queens, but with
Speaker 3: the one that exists. Yeah, I think she'll be like
Speaker 3: in the top four.
Speaker 2: I honestly so, I didn't even remember what season she
Speaker 2: was in. Justin had to jog my memory on all
Speaker 2: things Alexis Michelle and reminded me that she was the
Speaker 2: girl that did the green lettuce look like she is
Speaker 2: kind of like I guess her thing is like just
Speaker 2: kind of being aloof and unaware of how she comes off.
Speaker 1: You didn't watch Untucked, did you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't ever think watching Untucked is worth it.
Speaker 2: But Justin was like, you have to watch Untucked for
Speaker 2: these episodes. It's actually really juicy, and Alexis Michelle in
Speaker 2: the first episode of Untucked does something so fucking funny,
Speaker 2: like it's literally performance art. Actually, I can just describe
Speaker 2: it to you if you if you want to know
Speaker 2: what happens, since you want to watch it. So Monica,
Speaker 2: who I am really worried for emotionally and spiritually because
Speaker 2: what the way she's eliminated, and her heartbreak is like
Speaker 2: truly so palpable, Like I don't know if I've seen
Speaker 2: heartbreak like that on a first Home Girl since like
Speaker 2: Miss Vangie. She's like realizing that she's going home in Untucked,
Speaker 2: like there's no other way. It's shaking out. They're not
Speaker 2: going to vote off Darien Lake, and so Untucked is
Speaker 2: basically this. It's this like goodbye to Monica. It's like
Speaker 2: really sad, and she's like devastating. Everyone's holding space for her,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Alexis Michelle, out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: starts making the conversation about her and her how overwhelmed
Speaker 2: she is by like being in this show and.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: You have to watch it. I'll send you a little
Speaker 2: clip or something. But Alexis Michelle is doing performance right,
Speaker 2: like she's so kuockoo bananas.
Speaker 3: To me, I think calling it performance art lends it
Speaker 3: an air of intentionality. You don't think it is real?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. Clarification Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I you know, obviously, like I'm gonna watch All Stars,
Speaker 2: I think more so than with a normal dry Grace season,
Speaker 2: Like I will get bored if this one quicker and
Speaker 2: probably like tune out and let the episodes accumulate and
Speaker 2: then like binge.
Speaker 3: It all towards the end. But you know, it is
Speaker 3: a nice thing to watch, like on Saturday, Like every
Speaker 3: Saturday morning, I go to the farmer's market and it's
Speaker 3: nice to come home afterwards and watch All Stars as
Speaker 3: I'm having my like basil pesto croissant that I love.
Speaker 1: Drag Race on a Saturday morning, I did the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's like Saturday Morning cartoons. The drag queens are like
Speaker 3: cartoon characters.
Speaker 1: Yes, Saturday Morning cartoons.
Speaker 2: Okay, so cartoon character is speaking of back to James Mansfield,
Speaker 2: what is what is the moment about her? I also
Speaker 2: love James. I would not have picked her for my
Speaker 2: number one, but like I do think that it would
Speaker 2: be incredible to see her in the final four.
Speaker 3: I love how crazy kooky she is. I really like
Speaker 3: her drag aesthetic.
Speaker 1: I love like the the like.
Speaker 3: Vintage glamor of it, all the hair, the exaggeration. I
Speaker 3: love someone who treats their drag character as a character
Speaker 3: from head to toe, exact complete with a different voice.
Speaker 3: And then on the flip side, I think she's really
Speaker 3: good in the confessionals in like as you know, I
Speaker 3: won't say, and as a boy, like I'll just say
Speaker 3: out of drag she's the whole package to me, and
Speaker 3: like she is someone who I think, like after she
Speaker 3: was kicked off of her initial season, like, did a
Speaker 3: lot of work within the drag race community to become
Speaker 3: this respected figure. Like she does all her own hair.
Speaker 3: She has a YouTube channel. I've watched some of her
Speaker 3: YouTube videos before. She's very funny. I also like that
Speaker 3: clip of her rolling from her season of Tumbling will
Speaker 3: never not be funny to me, It's so good. So
Speaker 3: I live for her, and I thought all I thought her.
Speaker 3: All of her looks in this episode were fantastic. I
Speaker 3: thought she was great in the second episode in the
Speaker 3: you know like sketch comedy SNL Ripoff Challenge, which how
Speaker 3: weird it was to not have because this isn't Bowen
Speaker 3: a guest judge later this season, how ye to have
Speaker 3: him judge.
Speaker 2: That episode made no sense, no sense at all, But
Speaker 2: I'm sure maybe it was like a date conflict or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I live for her. I live I
Speaker 3: M James.
Speaker 2: I love James extremely polished drag, like classic polished, like
Speaker 2: almost pageant drag. And she also is a little bit
Speaker 2: of a drag queen's drag queen because she does hair
Speaker 2: and garments for like all of the girls and is
Speaker 2: just known for her artistry. And like I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's the first episode or the second episode, I
Speaker 2: think it's the first. There's a look, like a whole
Speaker 2: look that got destroyed and root to drag race, and
Speaker 2: she had to make the entire look in her in
Speaker 2: her hotel room the night before. Like she is on
Speaker 2: another level I think when it comes to like making
Speaker 2: clothes and looks, and I really think that that will
Speaker 2: hopefully help her survive all the way to the end,
Speaker 2: because I do not want her to be a philler queen.
Speaker 3: I think she has set herself up not to be,
Speaker 3: which is great. But I also I was just thinking
Speaker 3: about this. I love after the last All Stars where
Speaker 3: it was all winners and no one was eliminated and
Speaker 3: they didn't critique the queens at all. I'm so happy
Speaker 3: we're back to eliminating queens after critiquing them, because they
Speaker 3: need to be critiqued.
Speaker 2: They do they need to be crituck they need to
Speaker 2: be crotuked. I one hundred percent agree. I feel like that,
Speaker 2: like just as I said, like their philer queen should
Speaker 2: not be here, so the girls need to be put
Speaker 2: in place. And I think that my probably my current
Speaker 2: top four would probably be Jimbo, Candy, I guess, Heidi,
Speaker 2: and maybe James Heidi.
Speaker 3: I love Heidi.
Speaker 1: I love Heidi.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about her because I think Kahanna, who I
Speaker 2: forgot existed, is like starting really strong and people really
Speaker 2: love her.
Speaker 1: And I don't really literally who is she.
Speaker 3: I don't know what.
Speaker 2: She's from season eleven allegedly allegedly allegedly and she went
Speaker 2: home very early.
Speaker 3: I guess she was.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think she was a first home queen, fourteenth
Speaker 2: place Jim Okay. The thing with Jimbo is like, what's
Speaker 2: your jim theory? I do like Jimbo's.
Speaker 3: Drag, but something about her just rubs me the way,
Speaker 3: and I think it's like, specifically when she's out of
Speaker 3: drag in the Confessionals, she has an extremely punishable face.
Speaker 1: Her face is very like like mayor of Huvil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like the hair, and I just like h
Speaker 3: I don't like her, but I like but I like
Speaker 3: her drag and like her performance in the challenges, but
Speaker 3: I don't like her.
Speaker 2: So okay, I am a huge Jimbo stan from uh
Speaker 2: Drag Race Versus the World and or UK Versus the
Speaker 2: World and her Canada season, but justin honestly started to
Speaker 2: push me a little off of the Jimbo train because
Speaker 2: of the way she behaves off screen, just as you said.
Speaker 2: And I think that there's this kind of I'm too
Speaker 2: good for this kind of vibe that doesn't sit right
Speaker 2: with a white queen and with her attitude based on
Speaker 2: how she treats the other girls, And like, I think
Speaker 2: that when she's throwing shade, it's like good, but like
Speaker 2: when she's just being like I'm better than everyone and
Speaker 2: I'm too good for this what she doesn't say, but
Speaker 2: that's like kind of how she acts the vibe. It's
Speaker 2: the vibe, and it's not cute. And I think that
Speaker 2: there's some things that happen in UK Versus the World
Speaker 2: that I feel like in terms of her behavior toward
Speaker 2: the other girls and the way she felt entitled to
Speaker 2: basically win that season, which is like how she was
Speaker 2: thinking about it before her extremely controversial and dramatic elimination. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that kind of lowered the veil for me
Speaker 2: on Jimbo, but I'm still she still probably is my
Speaker 2: number one like I do. I do want to see
Speaker 2: her take it because I felt like she was robbed
Speaker 2: of of truly competing in UK Versus the World. But
Speaker 2: my biggest issue, by number one issue with Jimbo is
Speaker 2: that she can't lip sync at all, like he doesn't
Speaker 2: try at all. So I'm so glad it was really
Speaker 2: really sad. Did you watch You Versus the World? I
Speaker 2: watched a couple episodes, but I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: So you didn't watch the Pangina Jimbo elimination?
Speaker 3: I think? I yeah, I think I did see that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think?
Speaker 2: And so were you gagged when Pangina came out of
Speaker 2: the lip sync Assassin door to go up against Jimbo.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it was gagged. I understood why it
Speaker 3: was gag worthy, but I personally did not gag.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, thank you for that clarification. It had unfortunately
Speaker 2: been spoiled for me. But I was still gagged.
Speaker 3: That was a bad lip sync all around, though they
Speaker 3: were both not.
Speaker 2: I totally disagree. I thought Pangina was amazing and served Puss,
Speaker 2: and I honestly think Pangina is one of the greatest
Speaker 2: queens to have ever competed in the Drag Race cinematic universe.
Speaker 1: Like to me, like if RuPaul.
Speaker 2: Dies tomorrow and they have to replace Rue with a
Speaker 2: queen or a panel of queens, it's like Jinx, Sasha Colby,
Speaker 2: and Pengina, like those are probably the three that I
Speaker 2: would think about to replace RuPaul.
Speaker 1: Like I do.
Speaker 2: I think that she I just want to see her
Speaker 2: compete in everything, and that lip sing was very satisfying
Speaker 2: for me because I really needed her to win against you.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I thought I kind of sucked, but I thought
Speaker 3: the lips thing from the first episode was great. And
Speaker 3: Aja shitted all over what's her face?
Speaker 1: Yes, shit did?
Speaker 2: Aja used to be my number one, like one of,
Speaker 2: if not my number like one of my favorite queens
Speaker 2: to ever compete in this show. And she kind of
Speaker 2: retired from drag right, Like, I'm really glad that she
Speaker 2: came back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good to see her on the screen
Speaker 3: just like made me think of the days when I
Speaker 3: used to like book her to perform at Macray Park
Speaker 3: for twenty five dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's noice so far.
Speaker 2: She's truly I mean when she was like underage, Yes,
Speaker 2: that's something that I love about Asha's like origin story
Speaker 2: is like she started doing drag when she was like
Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen, and the way she would book shows
Speaker 2: was like going to the bar at like three or
Speaker 2: four pm before they start karting people and just staying
Speaker 2: there until the show so that she could like stay
Speaker 2: in a bar underage. Like that is like the kind
Speaker 2: of queen that I want to see on a season.
Speaker 2: And they just, to be completely honest, don't make queens
Speaker 2: like Asa anymore. Like I think that Aja is a
Speaker 2: part of a generation of queens that we just don't
Speaker 2: see growing up in drag in bars at fifteen.
Speaker 3: Like well, yeah, because now all of the younger queens are.
Speaker 2: Bedroom queens, bedroom queens, Instagram queens, TikTok I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: now TikTok queens.
Speaker 3: Which does you know yield good results in some cases
Speaker 3: like sugar and spice, Like sugar and.
Speaker 2: Sp oh but you know, loved loved Asa. When I
Speaker 2: found out she retired from drag or whatever, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, what the like she she used to.
Speaker 2: I think she was online always talking about like about
Speaker 2: her experience of drag race, like really negatively, which is fair,
Speaker 2: but to say, like none of that art like mattered,
Speaker 2: Like none of that art matters. And now I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna be like a rock a rapper or whatever she
Speaker 2: is doing. I know she's like in the House of
Speaker 2: leave Asia. She's doing ballroom and she's rapping, which is cool,
Speaker 2: but like I was like, don't like, I'm just like
Speaker 2: taking this very personally, but like there's no reason to
Speaker 2: like denigrate your art from like a former life, Like.
Speaker 1: You like what Aza did on and.
Speaker 2: All Stars three or whatever she was on is like
Speaker 2: but it's ballroom, Like she is like such an expert
Speaker 2: performer and everything she does on the art level on
Speaker 2: that show is totally worthy of, like you know, the
Speaker 2: rest of her body of work. I just I don't
Speaker 2: get queens that like move on from the show and
Speaker 2: they're like that was the old Median like fuck that
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The old So I'm sorry, the old Taylor can't come
Speaker 3: to the phone right now, why cause she's dead. Did
Speaker 3: you see that video that was going viral over the
Speaker 3: weekend of Taylor yelling at the security guard at her
Speaker 3: concert because he was like bugging this group of girls. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was no funny. Like in the middle, it's like
Speaker 3: in the there were just these girls who are being
Speaker 3: harassed by a security guard and Taylor was on stage
Speaker 3: performing bad Blood, and she's like, baby, now we got
Speaker 3: bad Blood. Leave her alone. You know it used to
Speaker 3: be mad Love. She's not doing anything. You made a
Speaker 3: really deep cut. Stop stop.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. You should watch the video.
Speaker 1: I'll go watch.
Speaker 3: And then I saw the girl who was the one
Speaker 3: who was like the subject of it all. She made
Speaker 3: a TikTok about it and just like explaining, and they
Speaker 3: got free tickets to go back for the second night
Speaker 3: of the Era's tour, which I'm very jealous about because
Speaker 3: the Aras Tour is coming to New York next week
Speaker 3: and I still don't have tickets for it, and I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm not gonna go. But it's okay because
Speaker 3: I did just get Beyonce tickets and I'm very excited.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I think we weren't we just
Speaker 3: talking last week about how I was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: probably not gonna go to Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what pushed you over the edge?
Speaker 3: Watching all the videos from the tour, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I think I actually do need to see this. And
Speaker 3: then I was looking for tailor tickets and there was
Speaker 3: nothing lower than like twelve hundred dollars. And then I
Speaker 3: went looked at Beyonce tickets and there were tickets as
Speaker 3: low as like two hundred and fifty dollars, and I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, oh, I mean that's not how much
Speaker 3: I paid. I paid more than that for better seats,
Speaker 3: but it was just like much more accessible and like,
Speaker 3: you know, the Aras tour like in a way is
Speaker 3: more of a you know, once in a lifetime moment
Speaker 3: because Taylor is doing all of her albums. But I
Speaker 3: don't know, just from what I've seen the videos that
Speaker 3: have come out of Beyonce, it's just it feels like
Speaker 3: this is a very special tour. It's like she is
Speaker 3: like having fun in a way she maybe hasn't in
Speaker 3: a while. It's like her gayest tour ever. And I
Speaker 3: just want to be there and be part of it.
Speaker 3: And I've never seen her before, so I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: I I'm so excited too.
Speaker 2: I wanted to I have not I have not really
Speaker 2: talked to you yet about what I'm doing for Beyonce,
Speaker 2: and now I'm so ashamed. But this is like, so
Speaker 2: this is but this is actually an extremely mean thing.
Speaker 2: Beyonce is the artist of my life, as you know,
Speaker 2: as we've talked about on the show of bar Sure,
Speaker 2: there's no artist that has like more significant, like personal
Speaker 2: like lifetime and value than Beyonce or maybe possibly Solunge,
Speaker 2: and I've never seen her. So this is like, if
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay a stand crisis for something, this is it.
Speaker 1: That said, I have.
Speaker 2: Talked about on the pod and talk to you a
Speaker 2: lot about how I'm in the most financially precarious situation
Speaker 2: that I've been in a very long time.
Speaker 1: So how am I gonna pull this off?
Speaker 2: I posted on Instagram about how I honestly thought people
Speaker 2: were crazy for flying to Europe to go see Beyonce,
Speaker 2: and now I'm just like damn, like that actually was
Speaker 2: the move because I can't wait until July twenty ninth
Speaker 2: to see Beyonce.
Speaker 3: Like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I simply can't.
Speaker 2: I physically cannot, and like not only will the whole
Speaker 2: tour be spoiled for me by then, but like, I
Speaker 2: need to see her now. And so Zach staff good
Speaker 2: Judy DMed me and was like, girl, there are people
Speaker 2: in our group that are like trying to sell tickets.
Speaker 2: And the tickets happened to be sold by a one
Speaker 2: Jay Wortham, who's a friend of mine. And I messaged
Speaker 2: them and I was like, just let's say I was
Speaker 2: maybe considering thinking of maybe possibly going to London to
Speaker 2: see Beyonce. I heard you're selling tickets.
Speaker 3: Oh You're going to Turf Island to see Beyonce? How fun?
Speaker 2: Jay said, oh yeah, our section is front row gold section,
Speaker 2: seats fifty and fifty one. And Jay sold them to
Speaker 2: me for three hundred and fifty dollars each.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So the cost of this ticket and my flight to
Speaker 2: London will be about the same as a ticket to
Speaker 2: Beyonce in Jersey.
Speaker 1: So I was like, the decision has been made, Justin
Speaker 1: and I will.
Speaker 3: Be That's exciting.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited because I haven't been to London in ages.
Speaker 2: I'm putting the whole trip on a credit card because yes,
Speaker 2: I am me and also Justin and I can both
Speaker 2: take meetings there so we can write the Pultu off great.
Speaker 3: So I don't think I've told you this, but I'm
Speaker 3: sort of on this kick at the moment to try
Speaker 3: to watch a bunch of movies specifically that I have
Speaker 3: never seen before that people consider to be very good
Speaker 3: or have told me I would like specifically movies because
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not have I don't have a great
Speaker 3: attention span with TV right now. It's why it's taken
Speaker 3: me so long to like watch Dead Ringers, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's just I kind of can't do more than
Speaker 3: one episode at a time.
Speaker 1: It's also dark as hell. It is like so dark.
Speaker 3: It's been like generally across the board with TV. It's
Speaker 3: like one thing if I'm binging something I've already seen
Speaker 3: and I can like be on my phone during it.
Speaker 3: But the thing with a movie that's great is like
Speaker 3: I can say, you know, I mean, for the most part,
Speaker 3: it's like two hours maximum. I can sit there, pay
Speaker 3: attention for that length of time and then move on
Speaker 3: with my life and go watch a video essay about
Speaker 3: like teen Wolf or something. Yeah, so the latest film
Speaker 3: I watched that, somehow I had never gotten around to seeing.
Speaker 3: Was Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.
Speaker 2: A completely baffling fact to me because it is so
Speaker 2: tumblr core, if not perhaps one of the single most
Speaker 2: prevalent tumbler movies of my generation, next to like what
Speaker 2: five Hundred Days of Summer like.
Speaker 3: Yes, and Virgin Suicides. I would say Virgin Suicides.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Gifts of those gifts of those movies are like what
Speaker 3: Tumblr ran off of anyone for anyone who doesn't know.
Speaker 3: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a two thousand
Speaker 3: and four movie directed by Michelle Gondry. It stars Jim Carrey,
Speaker 3: Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood.
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo, I forgot about him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he plays one of the technicians. So it's about
Speaker 3: this man, Jim Carrey, who discovers that his ex girlfriend
Speaker 3: has used this service to have him erased from her memory,
Speaker 3: so he does the same in retaliation. The film is,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of like gentle sci fi. I guess
Speaker 3: you would call it. What can I say? I do
Speaker 3: find it surprising that y'all were doing all that on
Speaker 3: Tumblr over this movie.
Speaker 2: Because it's like slow, weird and sometimes boring. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just like didn't really like it all that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know I.
Speaker 3: Liked it, yea, what did you like?
Speaker 1: And dislike?
Speaker 3: I liked it. I guess I was expecting this feeling
Speaker 3: I have sometimes when I watch these films that have
Speaker 3: been so hyped to me that you know, they are
Speaker 3: like slotting into this place that almost had been waiting
Speaker 3: for them in my own internal like canon of media.
Speaker 3: And this didn't really do that for me. I thought
Speaker 3: I was really gonna love it, and I thought it
Speaker 3: was good, but I didn't think it was like groundbreaking
Speaker 3: or anything. Maybe I would have if I had seen
Speaker 3: it in two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's part of it, is
Speaker 2: it it's a movie most effectively watched before you're maybe well, okay,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. I think it's a movie that is
Speaker 2: maybe in its tone and how it's executed, most effectively
Speaker 2: watched when before like your balls drop, I guess, or like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I said it, And I feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: that is because the romance. There's so much romance around,
Speaker 2: like heartbreak and relationships that I think is even more
Speaker 2: dramatic if you haven't had your first heartbreak, right like,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of heartbreak. Movies are actually better
Speaker 2: when you experience romance because you get to like taste
Speaker 2: that suffering and that Catharsis.
Speaker 3: You get to romanticize romance.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I also think that it is a movie
Speaker 2: that can be really impactful if you have just ended
Speaker 2: a very significant relationship. And I know that it's like
Speaker 2: I imagine, so yeah, it is really like it speaks volumes.
Speaker 2: I'm sure if I had seen this movie when I
Speaker 2: was in high school, I absolutely would have made it
Speaker 2: my entire personality. I really do think that's the thing
Speaker 2: of it is, like as as millennials like this is
Speaker 2: a movie that would have I mean, for me two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, Like I was a sophomore junior in.
Speaker 3: High school, so like, yes, this Well, also what I
Speaker 3: realized is, okay, I will say this, this movie is
Speaker 3: what I would call Garden State Corps. There was this
Speaker 3: spat of indie films in the mid two thousands that
Speaker 3: gained mainstream prominence in a way that that those hadn't
Speaker 3: really happened.
Speaker 1: Empowered by you know the Shins.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Shins, freu frough, you know, image heap was
Speaker 3: all over the place.
Speaker 1: Postal service.
Speaker 3: Also, I think part of it is that all of
Speaker 3: these indie films, the ones we're talking about specifically, had
Speaker 3: movie stars in them that brought them that mainstream attention
Speaker 3: and commercials success that I think up until then, indie
Speaker 3: film hadn't really experienced, especially these like smaller romantic comedies
Speaker 3: or romantic dramas. And I did see Garden State when
Speaker 3: it came out, and I did make it my whole personality,
Speaker 3: and I still love it and I'm obsessed with it,
Speaker 3: and it's like one of my favorite movies and like
Speaker 3: a kind of story that I would love to tell.
Speaker 3: And Eternal Sunshine, I mean, yeah, if I had seen
Speaker 3: it was when I was a teenager, I think I
Speaker 3: would have been totally obsessed with it. And now seeing
Speaker 3: it as a very jaded adult, ye, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Doesn't have the same? Sure have the same? Like punkdum
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's not the same.
Speaker 3: Doesn't have the same?
Speaker 1: What punk them a word?
Speaker 3: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I think I've actually, I think we've had this exact
Speaker 2: same conversation on the podcast before. But punk them is
Speaker 2: a term used in like, particularly in photography artistry, about
Speaker 2: the unnameable, like kind of sublime way that an image
Speaker 2: just makes sense and hits like there's something indescribable about
Speaker 2: what you're seeing visually that just hits you and you're like,
Speaker 2: this is exactly right.
Speaker 1: It's a punk dum.
Speaker 3: Okay that that term is very helpful, And yeah, I
Speaker 3: did not experience that when watching this movie. I was
Speaker 3: kind of bored watching it and was kind of waiting
Speaker 3: for it to be over, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets a little slow, which is kind of
Speaker 2: a Michelle Gondry thing. A lot of his movies are slow, muted,
Speaker 2: like palettes, like weird, like kind of hard to grasp sometimes.
Speaker 3: And you know, there were parts of it that I
Speaker 3: really liked. I thought Kirsten Dunst was great, and I
Speaker 3: actually thought that her storyline was maybe the film I
Speaker 3: was more interested in seeing. But it would have been
Speaker 3: a very different movie, probably like a much darker one
Speaker 3: her storyline, and I guess like that's with this specific premise,
Speaker 3: like that is maybe the road I'm more interested in
Speaker 3: going down, Like we don't get a lot of small
Speaker 3: sci fi movies like this, or like sci fi romantic
Speaker 3: comedies or romantic dramas, like there's this movie that came
Speaker 3: out in like I guess kind of around the same time,
Speaker 3: like early two thousand's called Timer. Have you ever heard
Speaker 3: of it? It's a movie in which there's a world
Speaker 3: where you can get a timer, like a sort of
Speaker 3: stop watch, installed in your wrist, and it counts down
Speaker 3: to the moment that you meet your soulmate. Oh and
Speaker 3: it's a romantic comedy. And I initially watched it because
Speaker 3: a Coffield who plays Anya and Buffy was in it,
Speaker 3: and I just became obsessed with it. And you still
Speaker 3: rent it from Blockbuster all the time. It's like one
Speaker 3: of those yes, but yeah, I there we You know,
Speaker 3: we're now in such the age of like big sci
Speaker 3: fi blockbusters and superhero movies and that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that we don't get these smaller, quieter sci fi films,
Speaker 3: and like specifically, I think sci fi romances, And you know,
Speaker 3: this is not a movie where the science fiction is
Speaker 3: sort of like incidental to the plot. It's like the
Speaker 3: movie wouldn't be happening if it if it weren't for that.
Speaker 3: But I do appreciate that it's sort of like still
Speaker 3: kind of a gentle sci fi in a way. It's
Speaker 3: all very internal. Also, Jim Carrey is so hot in
Speaker 3: this movie. And I mean your type in this movie,
Speaker 3: I know. I mean, I have long known that I
Speaker 3: have a thing for Jim Carrey.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this.
Speaker 3: I haven't know about fuck Baby Baby. Waita wait, by
Speaker 3: what movie?
Speaker 1: Is he the hottest? Is this the hottest he's ever been? A? No?
Speaker 3: I mean I am. I am partial to young Jim Carrey.
Speaker 3: He was in this movie Once Bitten, this nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: five movie that's about an older female vampire. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be about a vampire who wants to suck the blood
Speaker 3: out of young Jim Carrey. And it's so hot and
Speaker 3: he's so hot in it. I want to see that.
Speaker 2: But also, is it a Christmas movie if it's called
Speaker 2: Once Bitten? No, it's a it's a vampire movie, I know.
Speaker 1: But like Once Bitten and Twice.
Speaker 3: Shy, I mean I think the movie predates that song
Speaker 3: because it's eighty five.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh so that might.
Speaker 2: Oh, once Bitten twice Shy is probably like an expression
Speaker 2: that I've never.
Speaker 3: It is, and it's famously an expression that is used
Speaker 3: by that song.
Speaker 1: Wait, oh wait, what does what does the expression mean?
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, no, let's find out right now once bitten twice,
Speaker 2: shy and unpleasant experience inducing caution, that's pretty generic.
Speaker 3: So yes, I would suck Jim Carrey in this movie
Speaker 3: kind of at all times. I'm interested to know.
Speaker 2: Oh, you would even suck ace Ventura. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean he is actually he is actually really like his
Speaker 2: he is kind of a like a jungle Austin Powers
Speaker 2: in that movie.
Speaker 3: Jungle Austin Powers. Can you explain that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like he, I mean a Sventra is like
Speaker 2: horny and thrusty and like has all these jokes about
Speaker 2: being this kind of like Johnny Bravo esque, like Macho man.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: Where's the jungle part of it? Though?
Speaker 2: Ace Ventura takes place in the jungle like it's all right,
Speaker 2: No it doesn't yet, Yes it does.
Speaker 1: It like takes place like in Africa. A lot of
Speaker 1: it takes place in Africa. And this is.
Speaker 3: The second one does where he comes out of the
Speaker 3: rhinoceroses butt yeaheah.
Speaker 2: And maybe also maybe I don't remember the first one,
Speaker 2: but I think maybe I'm just.
Speaker 3: Oh, the first one is the first one is extremely transphobic.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought they were both transphobic.
Speaker 3: Probably probably, but the first one is the one that
Speaker 3: specifically has a trans character who is the villain and
Speaker 3: her clocking is played for laughs at the end of
Speaker 3: the film.
Speaker 1: I'm my jaws dropped.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I misremembering this because I used to,
Speaker 2: like my might of course, like my dad loved these movies,
Speaker 2: which is like insane because my parents wouldn't let me
Speaker 2: watch anything at all, and yet these movies were offensive sexual,
Speaker 2: like you know, all these things like what the heck?
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, he's he is Austin Powers meets Doctor
Speaker 2: Doolittle in a Hawaiian shirt.
Speaker 3: I mean he's you know, a comedian doing a character
Speaker 3: in a movie, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, or that as something.
Speaker 2: Okay, So on the note of like this being like
Speaker 2: a bit of a slow movie, it's I think it's
Speaker 2: worth noting that Michel Gondry primarily directs music videos. I
Speaker 2: think definitely before this film, and I think mostly after
Speaker 2: as well. And you can definitely tell because I think
Speaker 2: the movies beautiful, like visually, like I think it's stunning.
Speaker 1: You can tell why.
Speaker 2: It's like Tumblr viral, how like every frame of it
Speaker 2: can be a gorgeous gift that you would reblog for
Speaker 2: clout and but I've never seen his other his like
Speaker 2: other film that everyone talks about, which is called The
Speaker 2: Science of Sleep, which is about like a young guy
Speaker 2: who has like vivid dreams that are interfering with his
Speaker 2: waking life. And it's about like dreams and imagination, me
Speaker 2: love and.
Speaker 3: So like weirds recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's very his stuff is is very weird,
Speaker 2: and I think that that was like part of the
Speaker 2: appeal of this is like, even though now it feels
Speaker 2: like it's a it's a part of this kind of
Speaker 2: cliched or over played, like Indi Slee's Machine. Like at
Speaker 2: the time, you know, if you were like, oh, my
Speaker 2: favorite movie is like Eternal Cension of the Spotless Mind,
Speaker 2: you kind of felt cool because you thought you were
Speaker 2: participating in cinema because this is a weird post rising movie.
Speaker 3: You're like, it feels counter cultural, but in fact it
Speaker 3: was just the cultural.
Speaker 1: It was the culture exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: If this service that exists in this movie existed, iro,
Speaker 3: would you use it?
Speaker 2: I mean, short answer, no, But I actually have a
Speaker 2: really funny story about that. Sometime last year, I don't
Speaker 2: remember why, but I was kind of like thinking about
Speaker 2: Eternal Sunshine because it did used to be my favorite movie.
Speaker 2: I was one of the Tumblr kids that said Eternal
Speaker 2: Sunshine is my favorite movie or in my trucks or
Speaker 2: in my top five favorite movies because I love you know,
Speaker 2: top vibes, and I the other day the other year
Speaker 2: last year, I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that movie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And I haven't actually revisited the movie in adulthood. I
Speaker 2: kind of wish I was able to watch it before
Speaker 2: the record, but if I do, well kind of hang
Speaker 2: back to you. But I was like googling, like does
Speaker 2: the memory erasing technology of Eternal Sunshine like exist? Like
Speaker 2: that seems like something that in a dystopian age of
Speaker 2: science in the twenty twenties, like that people would have
Speaker 2: someone would have developed by now, like some sort of
Speaker 2: mad scientist. And I, you know, read this like article
Speaker 2: about how you know, no people are developing a kind
Speaker 2: of technology like that. But right now, the closest thing
Speaker 2: people get is like taking certain medications to help them
Speaker 2: stave off like memories or intrusive thoughts related to their
Speaker 2: trauma or traumatic experiences in the past. And I look
Speaker 2: at the drug at the at the drug that they
Speaker 2: were referring to you, and.
Speaker 1: I was on it.
Speaker 3: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: I was on propinolaw, which is this the drug that
Speaker 2: they were referring to. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: here I am like googling if I can erase my
Speaker 2: brain and I actually already figured out a way to
Speaker 2: kind of do.
Speaker 1: That a little bit.
Speaker 3: I love that it was lovely.
Speaker 1: What about you? Would you? Would you press no?
Speaker 3: I will know I want to. I want to turn
Speaker 3: this back on you because I don't believe you're I
Speaker 3: don't believe you're no answer. So I'm going to force you.
Speaker 3: If you if I held a gun to your head
Speaker 3: and said you have to erase, okay, something like okay,
Speaker 3: an ex, lover, a job, an experience, what would you
Speaker 3: use this technology on?
Speaker 2: Okay, you should prepare your answer as well. I think
Speaker 2: I'll definitely say if I could erase. This is tough because,
Speaker 2: as you know, the thematic consequence of the film teaches
Speaker 2: us the hurtful things in our past actually make us
Speaker 2: who we are, and so to erase such a large
Speaker 2: chunk of your past is to kind of you'll still
Speaker 2: feel this like vacuous hole in your life. And and
Speaker 2: and therefore I mean yeah, I mean kind of yeah,
Speaker 2: but I I yeah, no, You'll the even if you
Speaker 2: were to erase your life right like looking back on
Speaker 2: if you if it didn't exist in your brain anymore,
Speaker 2: the the empty presence of that memory would still be
Speaker 2: something that you're reckoning with. And so I think that's
Speaker 2: I say that because like the thing that I would
Speaker 2: probably erase is like my childhood, like I have and
Speaker 2: I've been doing unfortunately a lot of writing on this
Speaker 2: upcoming book project, and so that's like part of it.
Speaker 1: But I just have so many poignant.
Speaker 2: Memories from grade to around like my sophomore junior year
Speaker 2: of high school that really, I guess damaged my relationship
Speaker 2: to my gender, damaged my relationship to my queerness, and
Speaker 2: kept me away from myself for literally twenty years. And
Speaker 2: I always think about, like, if I didn't have this
Speaker 2: formative memory around, you know, something trans that happened to
Speaker 2: me in first grade, if I didn't have this like
Speaker 2: really hurtful thing that happened to me around general conformity
Speaker 2: in my freshman year of college, like would I have
Speaker 2: started would I have like found who I am earlier?
Speaker 2: You know, as opposed to where I am now in
Speaker 2: my murm redacted age shut up, but bleep that phoebe Okay,
Speaker 2: So what about you?
Speaker 1: What would you erase?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, as as we know already, as listeners
Speaker 3: of this podcast know, I famously already remember, you've already
Speaker 3: horrible memory.
Speaker 2: You've already done many street drugs in your early twenties
Speaker 2: to have effectively erased much of it.
Speaker 1: Here we are two empty headed girls.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I have a specific ex who I
Speaker 3: think I would use this on, because every six to
Speaker 3: twelve months he will reappear in my life, either through
Speaker 3: like contact or just me seeing him online somewhere, and
Speaker 3: I will just get sucked back in. I'll go and
Speaker 3: read all of our dms to each other, like I'll
Speaker 3: look through my phone at photos of us like that
Speaker 3: I have not deleted and never will. And you know,
Speaker 3: he still has this power over me even when it's
Speaker 3: not him that's like actively seeking me out, although usually
Speaker 3: that is what it is. And if I could just
Speaker 3: erase him from my memory, because I do think that
Speaker 3: is the only thing that would take this power that
Speaker 3: he has over me away, as if I did not
Speaker 3: remember being in love with him, obsessed with him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would absolutely do that because I don't think he
Speaker 3: brought anything good into my life that I would miss
Speaker 3: in erasing him from me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, now that you're saying that, like I would
Speaker 2: erase my first boyfriend, like absolutely, and you know the
Speaker 2: opposite of you, I actually never hear of this man ever,
Speaker 2: Like he's not on social he does. I don't keep
Speaker 2: up with him, like, I don't have any mutuals with him,
Speaker 2: and I don't have images of him on my phone
Speaker 2: like I because we were in high school, Like this
Speaker 2: year and a half long relationship is just so far
Speaker 2: away from me now. And yet the residue of that
Speaker 2: relationship and the things that I learned in that relationship
Speaker 2: that like were really hard to learn because he was
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, for lack of a better way
Speaker 2: of putting it, emotionally abusive. I am now paying for
Speaker 2: that relationship in every future relationship. So I feel like
Speaker 2: every relationship I've almost every relationship I've had in my
Speaker 2: adulthood has these like TIFFs or fights or pain points
Speaker 2: that are a consequence of this really really negative experience
Speaker 2: that I had.
Speaker 1: With my first kind of partner.
Speaker 3: MM hmm, wow. I know. And the thing is, the
Speaker 3: thing is that I still feel like kind of a liar,
Speaker 3: and saying that I would erase him this hypothetical sense
Speaker 3: is an exercise it because because the reality is, I
Speaker 3: have the option to erase all of the parts of
Speaker 3: him that still exist in my life. I could block
Speaker 3: him and delete all these photos and delete his number
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, but I choose not to. And
Speaker 3: you know, this movie, because of the time when it
Speaker 3: came out, it does kind of pre date the ways
Speaker 3: in which relationships, friendships, experiences that were no longer part
Speaker 3: of or able to live on in our lives. Like
Speaker 3: we didn't have the same kind of you know, digital
Speaker 3: paper trail that exists now. And I mean that's what
Speaker 3: some of the best sci fi does, is like it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's speculative fiction and in a way like
Speaker 3: what Jim Carrey and Kate Winslett do and like deleting
Speaker 3: each other from their brains, Like we can do a
Speaker 3: version of that with our phones, and we choose not to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that blocking people is I don't The
Speaker 2: main reason I don't like doing it is if that
Speaker 2: person finds out that they're blocked, then they know that
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about them, and so I prefer muting, which
Speaker 2: I do for lots and lots and lots of people,
Speaker 2: not just exes, but people that I don't want to
Speaker 2: see online anymore. People that you know bring up memories
Speaker 2: that I'm just like, I don't want to care. I
Speaker 2: don't care about you, and more, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear your take on anything. I love to mute, and
Speaker 2: I will say uh to argue against the theory, the thematic
Speaker 2: question of eternal sunshine, like when I have muted someone
Speaker 2: for so long, like if I've had someone on mute
Speaker 2: for years and then all of a sudden their like
Speaker 2: name pops up somewhere and I'm like, oh, I forgot
Speaker 2: that person existed, Like that is so powerful to me, like.
Speaker 3: I forgot I have a got it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Sorry side note, side note. The only song that I no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not true, not the only song. I love that
Speaker 2: song and Cruel Summer I know everyone song is ass
Speaker 2: I love it, love love love it. But maybe I
Speaker 2: love that song because the extremely hampested lyrics of it
Speaker 2: speak just to me personally, like I forgetting that someone
Speaker 2: else existed is like my favorite favorite thing. I think
Speaker 2: it's like it has this it has this power that
Speaker 2: I really revel in. And I don't know if you
Speaker 2: know this about me, Rose, but revenge is one of
Speaker 2: the primary motivational forces in my lifetime, Like from high school.
Speaker 2: I do know that, Yes, from high school to where
Speaker 2: I am at now. I have a lot of my
Speaker 2: success to think from.
Speaker 1: The bullies and abusers.
Speaker 2: Of my past who told me that I couldn't do
Speaker 2: the things that I want to do, and then I
Speaker 2: went out and did them and proved them wrong and
Speaker 2: was like more successful than they ever were.
Speaker 1: Sorry, and I so ugly.
Speaker 3: It's not ugly, it's honest. But you you still want
Speaker 3: to be visible to the people that you are no
Speaker 3: longer engaging with.
Speaker 2: Yes, that you want an eternal sunshine scenario. This is
Speaker 2: a little different.
Speaker 3: I do think, like I get where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: On the like the idea that blocking someone telegraphs something
Speaker 3: to them, potentially about some kind of power they still
Speaker 3: have over you. I don't necessarily see it that way.
Speaker 3: I see it as like creating the only boundary you
Speaker 3: can create in this modern world and cutting off any
Speaker 3: access they have to you. And in fact it's like
Speaker 3: I think it's like a bit more of a of
Speaker 3: a fuck you than that. And I certainly don't. I
Speaker 3: certainly don't see like blocking someone as like giving them
Speaker 3: giving them power. No, yeah, because because like I also
Speaker 3: do sort of like I feel the same way about
Speaker 3: people who I'm like no longer in contact with, but
Speaker 3: like haven't blocked or anything. And and I do like
Speaker 3: the idea of sometimes I'll go and like look at
Speaker 3: my my Instagram or Twitter or something, and I'll try
Speaker 3: to look at it through the eyes of someone else
Speaker 3: and like try to understand like what that's presenting to them,
Speaker 3: Like who is the version of me that they're seeing
Speaker 3: like that? And that's just like a sick consequence of
Speaker 3: social media. I don't I don't block people a lot.
Speaker 3: I wish I did more. And it's more it's more
Speaker 3: because of me. It's more because I still want the
Speaker 3: ability to access the information. I'm still a little bit
Speaker 3: of a not not really a creeper, but you know,
Speaker 3: you're a human. I'm a human.
Speaker 2: I will say I wasn't like necessarily prescribing that muting
Speaker 2: versus blocking.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just not just digging into the conversation.
Speaker 2: But like not even to you, like to the virgins,
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's like what works for you, And
Speaker 2: like I would not prescribe revenge as a motivational force
Speaker 2: in your life, you know, Like that is like not
Speaker 2: something I'm proud of. It just so happens to be
Speaker 2: a fact of me.
Speaker 3: And if it works, it works.
Speaker 1: If it works.
Speaker 2: Look, it has been working at every turn I have.
Speaker 2: I have so many moments in my life that are
Speaker 2: just this crystal clear Taylor Swift backed moment where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: not only did I forget that you existed, but like
Speaker 2: I am so happy without you, oh honestly, also very
Speaker 2: like Billie Eilish coded with her Happier Than Ever banger,
Speaker 2: which is maybe top three Billie Eilish songs for me.
Speaker 1: So rose.
Speaker 2: I have not seen Garden State since it was shown
Speaker 2: to me as a teen, and I don't even remember yes,
Speaker 2: and I don't even remember the I don't even remember
Speaker 2: the plot of the movie.
Speaker 3: It's it's one of my favorite movies. And I know
Speaker 3: that I know that there's something about that that makes
Speaker 3: me like a kind of basic in the way that
Speaker 3: we've been talking about. But I like fully don't care
Speaker 3: because I do love it, and it just I watched
Speaker 3: it at a very formative time in my life. And
Speaker 3: I mean the same way that you feel about Eternal Sunshine,
Speaker 3: That's how I feel about Garden State, which is about
Speaker 3: this struggling actor played by Zach Braff who goes home
Speaker 3: when his mother dies and just has this transformative couple
Speaker 3: of days as he meets this woman played by Natalie
Speaker 3: Portman andrina reconnects with his hometown friends and like kind
Speaker 3: of pass it out with his dad. And he's also
Speaker 3: coming off of the like mood stabilizing medications he's been
Speaker 3: on his whole life. And I don't know, there was
Speaker 3: something about that that I really responded to. I think
Speaker 3: like the Judaism was part of it because the main
Speaker 3: character is Jewish. I really liked that, And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just saw like a lot of my own, like
Speaker 3: family dynamics in that. And I don't know, it's weird
Speaker 3: because it's not like the main character is not someone
Speaker 3: who I necessarily identify with, you know, he's this like
Speaker 3: straight guy.
Speaker 1: And whatever happened to Zach Braf, I like never watched Scrubs.
Speaker 3: Well, he dated Florence Pew and then they did.
Speaker 1: That is I had no idea about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really want to do a Sofia Coppola episode,
Speaker 3: because you know, I love Sophia and Sofia Coppola ran
Speaker 3: Tumblr like.
Speaker 2: The Navy, and I famously don't really enjoy Sofia Copla
Speaker 2: films outside of Marie Antoinette. But the reason I tend
Speaker 2: to not enjoy Sophia Copla films is the reason is
Speaker 2: part of the reason maybe you didn't enjoy Eternal Sunshine
Speaker 2: is this kind of slow, this slowness, this like this
Speaker 2: a lot of like dead air, these like muted textures
Speaker 2: and like kind of monotonal dialogue, like a lot of
Speaker 2: style over substance exactly which I look. I love style
Speaker 2: over substance, like I still stand Baz Luhrman. Okay, but
Speaker 2: I know, and that was I think those A lot
Speaker 2: of Sophia Coppolo's movies are very slow to me. I've
Speaker 2: never enjoyed Lost in Translation the Virgins are going to
Speaker 2: come from. I don't really like Lost in Translation either.
Speaker 2: Such a relief to hear you say that. I feel
Speaker 2: crazy whenever people talk about it, like it is like,
Speaker 2: you know, the fucking.
Speaker 1: Greatest movie I've not read it.
Speaker 3: It's not one of my favorites, but Virgin Suicides is
Speaker 3: one of my favorite movies and one of my favorite books.
Speaker 3: Marie Antoinette is tied for first place. My favorite movie,
Speaker 3: The Beguiled is really amazing.
Speaker 1: Some is directed by Soyvia Gobbla. Yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do love The Biguild, But that's kind of
Speaker 2: crazy considering that The Biguild is literally Virgin Suicides, but
Speaker 2: with the Hatchet and with Colin Farrell with with Hatchet
Speaker 2: and Colin Farrell literally the same almost the same plot.
Speaker 1: But in the what is it right?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm pretty I'm pretty right about this.
Speaker 2: I'm I actually I feel like I am saying this accurately.
Speaker 2: They are pretty much the exact same movie.
Speaker 3: No, because in the Virgin Suicides, like they're like malaise
Speaker 3: is like turned in words, and and in The Beguile
Speaker 3: that's turned onto an external force, which is Colin Farrell
Speaker 3: to each their own.
Speaker 1: Also, the Beguild is like told from.
Speaker 3: The women's point of view, and the Virgin Suicides like
Speaker 3: famously about a bunch of boys who are like spectators
Speaker 3: looking in on the women, right, which is why.
Speaker 2: But that's like kind of it's infuriating that that is
Speaker 2: the lens that Sophia took with the book, because.
Speaker 3: Isn't that's the lens of the book.
Speaker 2: Then I will just say I hate the corrective voice
Speaker 2: of this cultural entity because like, why I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear from the boy's perspective. I guess, like, I guess,
Speaker 2: actually I'm saying this stupid.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the whole point. Yes, it is because
Speaker 3: these girls are these girls are unknowable.
Speaker 2: Yes, and also you have to hear it from an
Speaker 2: outside perspective in order for the allure of their of
Speaker 2: their story to make sense. But I just maybe that
Speaker 2: that's just that's just me being like I don't want
Speaker 2: to hear men talking.
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