WEBVTT - Manic Panic Dream Girl 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:03.360 You. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.719 Oh, oh my god, oh my god. Oh it was 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:18.599 so big, Oh my god. Ew that wasp was like 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:20.960 literally could pay rent in my room. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:21.680 It was so big. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.880 She's sheen im me no me not my. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:32.240 N yo yo yo no, what is your childhood? 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:34.680 I have. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.040 Your life's going down the floor like. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:54.440 Round on the docket for a discussion today, Rose is 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:01.320 Drag Race All Stars. The first two episodes all Stars. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.560 And something. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:03.040 Eight. 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.440 Okay, good to know eight. I honestly thought it was seven. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:07.840 The more you know. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.920 Do you have initial faves from the jump or like 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.480 a kind of impression of the cast as you started watching. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:24.360 I don't necessarily have early favorites. Actually, no, that's a 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.880 lie I do. I am obsessed with James Mansfield and 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.560 I want her to win. Oh and by the way, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.600 this is like a virgin the show we give yesterday's 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.959 pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose Daumu and I'm fran Torado. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:44.280 What I appreciated about the cast is that it has 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:50.280 a very early drag Race mix of girls. And here's 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.840 what I'll say. The season feels very off the rack. 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.600 I tally agree off the rack and honey, it did 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.760 not look as good on the Hangar as it did 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:02.760 on the body. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.840 You know what I mean, Yeah, I mean I like 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:12.440 that vibe for drag Race, especially because like with All 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.240 Stars specifically, and coming ran off the tails of All 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.000 Stars All winners, like that was the most polished, the 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:24.680 most like custom costume, lip injections, filler blah blah blah, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.480 like it could be. And this season feels a little 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:33.880 more haphazardly, like slapped together with quite a random assortment 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:38.359 of queens. And I like that, but it did kind 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.800 of show in the first two episodes it did not 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.160 feel quite up to the level. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.360 I'll say that I have to agree with you. I 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.280 felt like my first impression, I am very happy with 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.280 this season so far. I actually think it's giving us 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.800 some good drama and some good competitors. My initial reaction 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.880 was that, speaking of filler, there are too many filler queens, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.000 and when you have an All Stars season, there. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.560 Should be no fillers period, Like even the fillers are stars. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.919 Like if you think about All Stars past, someone like 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.880 Cocoa Montrees who went home first for All Stars two 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.359 or All Stars three or whatever she was in when 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.760 she went home first, it was like devastating because you're 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.200 like damn, like someone like Cocoa is going home first, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.520 like she's not even I don't know that it was devastating. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.720 It was pretty it was pretty deserved. It was deserved. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.080 It was a totally deserved and same thing with this one. Like, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.640 you know, the people that went home I think were 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.000 deserved were the people that were limited. I think deserved 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.840 to go home, but they were filler queens with All 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.760 Stars two or whatever, three whatever, Coca was not a 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.040 filler queen. She I wanted her to be there. She 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.360 was like such good TV. She was so funny. She's 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.480 still a good competitor. And so I think that that's 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.960 kind of something that's incredible about All Stars. It's like, 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.960 because the talent is supposed to be on another level, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.480 everyone should be gagging us. And I just felt like 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.520 like Monica and Nasha didn't need to be there. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.000 You know, I don't really feel like, what is it? 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:17.720 Is it not? 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.680 Is it Jessica Wild Like she kind of feels like 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:25.000 filler to me. Alexis Michelle also feels like filler to me. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.960 Although no, Babe, I think Alexis Michelle is making. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:28.360 It to the end. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:29.320 She's the moment. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:34.000 Yeah, I don't gag for her, but I think she 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:39.039 is very polished. Yeah, her looks are good. She has 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:42.880 a very clear perspective, she's good at the interviews. She's like, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.039 I see her making it to the end. Maybe not 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.520 if there was a different lineup of queens, but with 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.479 the one that exists. Yeah, I think she'll be like 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:53.279 in the top four. 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.080 I honestly so, I didn't even remember what season she 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.720 was in. Justin had to jog my memory on all 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.520 things Alexis Michelle and reminded me that she was the 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.760 girl that did the green lettuce look like she is 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.760 kind of like I guess her thing is like just 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.280 kind of being aloof and unaware of how she comes off. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.680 You didn't watch Untucked, did you? 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:14.800 No? 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.000 Okay, so I don't ever think watching Untucked is worth it. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.200 But Justin was like, you have to watch Untucked for 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:28.240 these episodes. It's actually really juicy, and Alexis Michelle in 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:34.159 the first episode of Untucked does something so fucking funny, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:38.120 like it's literally performance art. Actually, I can just describe 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:39.400 it to you if you if you want to know 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.640 what happens, since you want to watch it. So Monica, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.640 who I am really worried for emotionally and spiritually because 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.479 what the way she's eliminated, and her heartbreak is like 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.839 truly so palpable, Like I don't know if I've seen 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:56.680 heartbreak like that on a first Home Girl since like 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:03.680 Miss Vangie. She's like realizing that she's going home in Untucked, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.640 like there's no other way. It's shaking out. They're not 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.279 going to vote off Darien Lake, and so Untucked is 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.640 basically this. It's this like goodbye to Monica. It's like 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.680 really sad, and she's like devastating. Everyone's holding space for her, 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.880 and all of a sudden, Alexis Michelle, out of nowhere, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.880 starts making the conversation about her and her how overwhelmed 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:26.920 she is by like being in this show and. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.520 It's so funny. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.800 You have to watch it. I'll send you a little 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.719 clip or something. But Alexis Michelle is doing performance right, 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.200 like she's so kuockoo bananas. 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.160 To me, I think calling it performance art lends it 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.840 an air of intentionality. You don't think it is real? 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:54.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah. Clarification Yeah, I mean, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.800 I you know, obviously, like I'm gonna watch All Stars, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.599 I think more so than with a normal dry Grace season, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.840 Like I will get bored if this one quicker and 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.600 probably like tune out and let the episodes accumulate and 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.159 then like binge. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:13.600 It all towards the end. But you know, it is 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.280 a nice thing to watch, like on Saturday, Like every 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.400 Saturday morning, I go to the farmer's market and it's 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.600 nice to come home afterwards and watch All Stars as 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:28.560 I'm having my like basil pesto croissant that I love. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.040 Drag Race on a Saturday morning, I did the same thing. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.720 It's like Saturday Morning cartoons. The drag queens are like 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:35.720 cartoon characters. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.120 Yes, Saturday Morning cartoons. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.920 Okay, so cartoon character is speaking of back to James Mansfield, 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.600 what is what is the moment about her? I also 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.360 love James. I would not have picked her for my 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.320 number one, but like I do think that it would 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.320 be incredible to see her in the final four. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.280 I love how crazy kooky she is. I really like 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:57.320 her drag aesthetic. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.080 I love like the the like. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.600 Vintage glamor of it, all the hair, the exaggeration. I 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:08.440 love someone who treats their drag character as a character 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.240 from head to toe, exact complete with a different voice. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.080 And then on the flip side, I think she's really 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.520 good in the confessionals in like as you know, I 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.760 won't say, and as a boy, like I'll just say 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.400 out of drag she's the whole package to me, and 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.640 like she is someone who I think, like after she 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.920 was kicked off of her initial season, like, did a 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.680 lot of work within the drag race community to become 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.000 this respected figure. Like she does all her own hair. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.600 She has a YouTube channel. I've watched some of her 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.040 YouTube videos before. She's very funny. I also like that 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:50.720 clip of her rolling from her season of Tumbling will 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.280 never not be funny to me, It's so good. So 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.360 I live for her, and I thought all I thought her. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.240 All of her looks in this episode were fantastic. I 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.319 thought she was great in the second episode in the 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:09.559 you know like sketch comedy SNL Ripoff Challenge, which how 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.120 weird it was to not have because this isn't Bowen 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.280 a guest judge later this season, how ye to have 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:17.360 him judge. 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.280 That episode made no sense, no sense at all, But 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.560 I'm sure maybe it was like a date conflict or something. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.559 Yeah, but yeah, I live for her. I live I 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:27.920 M James. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:35.760 I love James extremely polished drag, like classic polished, like 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.120 almost pageant drag. And she also is a little bit 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.679 of a drag queen's drag queen because she does hair 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.160 and garments for like all of the girls and is 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.880 just known for her artistry. And like I don't know 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.880 if it's the first episode or the second episode, I 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.120 think it's the first. There's a look, like a whole 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.200 look that got destroyed and root to drag race, and 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.760 she had to make the entire look in her in 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.800 her hotel room the night before. Like she is on 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.720 another level I think when it comes to like making 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.560 clothes and looks, and I really think that that will 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.800 hopefully help her survive all the way to the end, 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.199 because I do not want her to be a philler queen. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.920 I think she has set herself up not to be, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.600 which is great. But I also I was just thinking 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.439 about this. I love after the last All Stars where 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.679 it was all winners and no one was eliminated and 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.960 they didn't critique the queens at all. I'm so happy 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:41.000 we're back to eliminating queens after critiquing them, because they 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.079 need to be critiqued. 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.680 They do they need to be crituck they need to 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:50.520 be crotuked. I one hundred percent agree. I feel like that, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.439 like just as I said, like their philer queen should 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.320 not be here, so the girls need to be put 0:10:55.440 --> 0:11:00.560 in place. And I think that my probably my current 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:10.720 top four would probably be Jimbo, Candy, I guess, Heidi, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.280 and maybe James Heidi. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:14.559 I love Heidi. 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:15.720 I love Heidi. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:21.640 I'm worried about her because I think Kahanna, who I 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:27.199 forgot existed, is like starting really strong and people really 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:27.760 love her. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.079 And I don't really literally who is she. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.600 I don't know what. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.520 She's from season eleven allegedly allegedly allegedly and she went 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:41.640 home very early. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:43.200 I guess she was. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.360 Yes, I think she was a first home queen, fourteenth 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.800 place Jim Okay. The thing with Jimbo is like, what's 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:54.839 your jim theory? I do like Jimbo's. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:12:00.440 Drag, but something about her just rubs me the way, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.680 and I think it's like, specifically when she's out of 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.160 drag in the Confessionals, she has an extremely punishable face. 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.120 Her face is very like like mayor of Huvil. 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:18.280 Yeah, and like the hair, and I just like h 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.200 I don't like her, but I like but I like 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:27.040 her drag and like her performance in the challenges, but 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:28.280 I don't like her. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:35.560 So okay, I am a huge Jimbo stan from uh 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.680 Drag Race Versus the World and or UK Versus the 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:45.000 World and her Canada season, but justin honestly started to 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.840 push me a little off of the Jimbo train because 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.640 of the way she behaves off screen, just as you said. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:56.080 And I think that there's this kind of I'm too 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.640 good for this kind of vibe that doesn't sit right 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.480 with a white queen and with her attitude based on 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.880 how she treats the other girls, And like, I think 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:10.000 that when she's throwing shade, it's like good, but like 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.040 when she's just being like I'm better than everyone and 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.960 I'm too good for this what she doesn't say, but 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.240 that's like kind of how she acts the vibe. It's 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.600 the vibe, and it's not cute. And I think that 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.640 there's some things that happen in UK Versus the World 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.560 that I feel like in terms of her behavior toward 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.000 the other girls and the way she felt entitled to 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.079 basically win that season, which is like how she was 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:37.160 thinking about it before her extremely controversial and dramatic elimination. Yeah, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.360 I think that kind of lowered the veil for me 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.040 on Jimbo, but I'm still she still probably is my 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.480 number one like I do. I do want to see 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.440 her take it because I felt like she was robbed 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.160 of of truly competing in UK Versus the World. But 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.439 my biggest issue, by number one issue with Jimbo is 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.439 that she can't lip sync at all, like he doesn't 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.000 try at all. So I'm so glad it was really 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.280 really sad. Did you watch You Versus the World? I 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.600 watched a couple episodes, but I couldn't do it. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.640 So you didn't watch the Pangina Jimbo elimination? 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.199 I think? I yeah, I think I did see that. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.320 Okay, I think? 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.320 And so were you gagged when Pangina came out of 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:25.000 the lip sync Assassin door to go up against Jimbo. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.640 I wouldn't say it was gagged. I understood why it 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.240 was gag worthy, but I personally did not gag. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.440 Okay, okay, thank you for that clarification. It had unfortunately 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.240 been spoiled for me. But I was still gagged. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.320 That was a bad lip sync all around, though they 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.560 were both not. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:46.560 I totally disagree. I thought Pangina was amazing and served Puss, 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.040 and I honestly think Pangina is one of the greatest 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.040 queens to have ever competed in the Drag Race cinematic universe. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.720 Like to me, like if RuPaul. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:03.160 Dies tomorrow and they have to replace Rue with a 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:08.200 queen or a panel of queens, it's like Jinx, Sasha Colby, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.240 and Pengina, like those are probably the three that I 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.280 would think about to replace RuPaul. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:15.680 Like I do. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.760 I think that she I just want to see her 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.400 compete in everything, and that lip sing was very satisfying 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:23.720 for me because I really needed her to win against you. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.280 Interesting, I thought I kind of sucked, but I thought 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.560 the lips thing from the first episode was great. And 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:36.120 Aja shitted all over what's her face? 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.600 Yes, shit did? 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.400 Aja used to be my number one, like one of, 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.920 if not my number like one of my favorite queens 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.960 to ever compete in this show. And she kind of 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.720 retired from drag right, Like, I'm really glad that she 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:50.360 came back. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.560 Yeah, it was good to see her on the screen 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.520 just like made me think of the days when I 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.960 used to like book her to perform at Macray Park 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.280 for twenty five dollars. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.640 Yeah, I mean that's noice so far. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.640 She's truly I mean when she was like underage, Yes, 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.720 that's something that I love about Asha's like origin story 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.440 is like she started doing drag when she was like 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.920 fifteen or sixteen, and the way she would book shows 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.480 was like going to the bar at like three or 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.120 four pm before they start karting people and just staying 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.560 there until the show so that she could like stay 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.280 in a bar underage. Like that is like the kind 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.480 of queen that I want to see on a season. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.840 And they just, to be completely honest, don't make queens 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.520 like Asa anymore. Like I think that Aja is a 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.960 part of a generation of queens that we just don't 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:55.760 see growing up in drag in bars at fifteen. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.640 Like well, yeah, because now all of the younger queens are. 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:05.240 Bedroom queens, bedroom queens, Instagram queens, TikTok I mean yeah, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.600 now TikTok queens. 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:12.119 Which does you know yield good results in some cases 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.080 like sugar and spice, Like sugar and. 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:20.080 Sp oh but you know, loved loved Asa. When I 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.440 found out she retired from drag or whatever, I. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.040 Was like, what the like she she used to. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.760 I think she was online always talking about like about 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.040 her experience of drag race, like really negatively, which is fair, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.840 but to say, like none of that art like mattered, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.040 Like none of that art matters. And now I'm just 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:40.760 gonna be like a rock a rapper or whatever she 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.280 is doing. I know she's like in the House of 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.560 leave Asia. She's doing ballroom and she's rapping, which is cool, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.320 but like I was like, don't like, I'm just like 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.560 taking this very personally, but like there's no reason to 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.320 like denigrate your art from like a former life, Like. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.080 You like what Aza did on and. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.760 All Stars three or whatever she was on is like 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:12.080 but it's ballroom, Like she is like such an expert 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.560 performer and everything she does on the art level on 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.320 that show is totally worthy of, like you know, the 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.240 rest of her body of work. I just I don't 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.040 get queens that like move on from the show and 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.119 they're like that was the old Median like fuck that 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.000 or whatever, you know what I mean. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.360 The old So I'm sorry, the old Taylor can't come 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.640 to the phone right now, why cause she's dead. Did 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.399 you see that video that was going viral over the 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.840 weekend of Taylor yelling at the security guard at her 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.680 concert because he was like bugging this group of girls. Yeah, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.159 it was no funny. Like in the middle, it's like 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.000 in the there were just these girls who are being 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.560 harassed by a security guard and Taylor was on stage 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.920 performing bad Blood, and she's like, baby, now we got 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.359 bad Blood. Leave her alone. You know it used to 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.600 be mad Love. She's not doing anything. You made a 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.919 really deep cut. Stop stop. 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.639 Oh my god, that's kind of funny. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:08.760 Yeah, it's great. You should watch the video. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:09.440 I'll go watch. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.200 And then I saw the girl who was the one 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.520 who was like the subject of it all. She made 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.840 a TikTok about it and just like explaining, and they 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.880 got free tickets to go back for the second night 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.399 of the Era's tour, which I'm very jealous about because 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.160 the Aras Tour is coming to New York next week 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:28.919 and I still don't have tickets for it, and I 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.359 feel like I'm not gonna go. But it's okay because 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.960 I did just get Beyonce tickets and I'm very excited. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.760 And it's funny because I think we weren't we just 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.000 talking last week about how I was like, yeah, I'm 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:41.159 probably not gonna go to Beyonce. 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.040 Yeah, well what pushed you over the edge? 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.880 Watching all the videos from the tour, I was like, oh, 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.800 I think I actually do need to see this. And 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:55.679 then I was looking for tailor tickets and there was 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.840 nothing lower than like twelve hundred dollars. And then I 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.800 went looked at Beyonce tickets and there were tickets as 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:02.960 low as like two hundred and fifty dollars, and I 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.800 was like, okay, oh, I mean that's not how much 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.040 I paid. I paid more than that for better seats, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.919 but it was just like much more accessible and like, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.000 you know, the Aras tour like in a way is 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.480 more of a you know, once in a lifetime moment 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:22.119 because Taylor is doing all of her albums. But I 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.600 don't know, just from what I've seen the videos that 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.399 have come out of Beyonce, it's just it feels like 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.240 this is a very special tour. It's like she is 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.520 like having fun in a way she maybe hasn't in 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.800 a while. It's like her gayest tour ever. And I 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:42.240 just want to be there and be part of it. 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.240 And I've never seen her before, so I'm so excited. 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:47.800 I I'm so excited too. 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.680 I wanted to I have not I have not really 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:55.200 talked to you yet about what I'm doing for Beyonce, 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.800 and now I'm so ashamed. But this is like, so 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.920 this is but this is actually an extremely mean thing. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.240 Beyonce is the artist of my life, as you know, 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.320 as we've talked about on the show of bar Sure, 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:12.080 there's no artist that has like more significant, like personal 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.600 like lifetime and value than Beyonce or maybe possibly Solunge, 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.679 and I've never seen her. So this is like, if 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:21.960 I'm gonna pay a stand crisis for something, this is it. 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:23.400 That said, I have. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.760 Talked about on the pod and talk to you a 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.960 lot about how I'm in the most financially precarious situation 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:30.399 that I've been in a very long time. 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:31.920 So how am I gonna pull this off? 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:38.440 I posted on Instagram about how I honestly thought people 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.680 were crazy for flying to Europe to go see Beyonce, 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:42.919 and now I'm just like damn, like that actually was 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.639 the move because I can't wait until July twenty ninth 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:47.639 to see Beyonce. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:49.919 Like I can't. 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:51.160 I can't. I simply can't. 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.920 I physically cannot, and like not only will the whole 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:55.760 tour be spoiled for me by then, but like, I 0:21:55.800 --> 0:22:00.520 need to see her now. And so Zach staff good 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.159 Judy DMed me and was like, girl, there are people 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.200 in our group that are like trying to sell tickets. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.480 And the tickets happened to be sold by a one 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.840 Jay Wortham, who's a friend of mine. And I messaged 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.000 them and I was like, just let's say I was 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:19.159 maybe considering thinking of maybe possibly going to London to 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.240 see Beyonce. I heard you're selling tickets. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.520 Oh You're going to Turf Island to see Beyonce? How fun? 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:31.040 Jay said, oh yeah, our section is front row gold section, 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.879 seats fifty and fifty one. And Jay sold them to 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.320 me for three hundred and fifty dollars each. 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:38.440 Wow. 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.960 So the cost of this ticket and my flight to 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:46.480 London will be about the same as a ticket to 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.640 Beyonce in Jersey. 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.760 So I was like, the decision has been made, Justin 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:52.359 and I will. 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:53.200 Be That's exciting. 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.680 I'm really excited because I haven't been to London in ages. 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:00.800 I'm putting the whole trip on a credit card because yes, 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.760 I am me and also Justin and I can both 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:13.359 take meetings there so we can write the Pultu off great. 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.840 So I don't think I've told you this, but I'm 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.760 sort of on this kick at the moment to try 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:41.639 to watch a bunch of movies specifically that I have 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.680 never seen before that people consider to be very good 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:50.879 or have told me I would like specifically movies because 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.000 I'm just I'm not have I don't have a great 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.639 attention span with TV right now. It's why it's taken 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.920 me so long to like watch Dead Ringers, you know, 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.600 because it's just I kind of can't do more than 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:03.680 one episode at a time. 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:08.080 It's also dark as hell. It is like so dark. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.200 It's been like generally across the board with TV. It's 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:15.280 like one thing if I'm binging something I've already seen 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:17.280 and I can like be on my phone during it. 0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.560 But the thing with a movie that's great is like 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:23.240 I can say, you know, I mean, for the most part, 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.000 it's like two hours maximum. I can sit there, pay 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.800 attention for that length of time and then move on 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.040 with my life and go watch a video essay about 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:39.680 like teen Wolf or something. Yeah, so the latest film 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:43.280 I watched that, somehow I had never gotten around to seeing. 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:46.400 Was Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:51.320 A completely baffling fact to me because it is so 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:56.520 tumblr core, if not perhaps one of the single most 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:02.040 prevalent tumbler movies of my generation, next to like what 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.280 five Hundred Days of Summer like. 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.720 Yes, and Virgin Suicides. I would say Virgin Suicides. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:08.960 Yes. 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:13.280 Gifts of those gifts of those movies are like what 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.919 Tumblr ran off of anyone for anyone who doesn't know. 0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.399 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a two thousand 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:25.280 and four movie directed by Michelle Gondry. It stars Jim Carrey, 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:29.760 Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood. 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:31.920 Mark Ruffalo, I forgot about him. 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.120 Yeah, he plays one of the technicians. So it's about 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.520 this man, Jim Carrey, who discovers that his ex girlfriend 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:44.520 has used this service to have him erased from her memory, 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.960 so he does the same in retaliation. The film is, 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.280 you know, sort of like gentle sci fi. I guess 0:25:53.280 --> 0:26:00.560 you would call it. What can I say? I do 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:03.720 find it surprising that y'all were doing all that on 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.120 Tumblr over this movie. 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:10.359 Because it's like slow, weird and sometimes boring. Yeah, I 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:12.760 just like didn't really like it all that. I mean, 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:13.680 I know I. 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.359 Liked it, yea, what did you like? 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:15.920 And dislike? 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:21.800 I liked it. I guess I was expecting this feeling 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.080 I have sometimes when I watch these films that have 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.880 been so hyped to me that you know, they are 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.600 like slotting into this place that almost had been waiting 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:37.280 for them in my own internal like canon of media. 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.480 And this didn't really do that for me. I thought 0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.320 I was really gonna love it, and I thought it 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.200 was good, but I didn't think it was like groundbreaking 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:49.120 or anything. Maybe I would have if I had seen 0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:50.200 it in two thousand and four. 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.480 I think that's I think that's part of it, is 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:59.080 it it's a movie most effectively watched before you're maybe well, okay, 0:26:59.119 --> 0:27:01.159 here's the thing. I think it's a movie that is 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:05.679 maybe in its tone and how it's executed, most effectively 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:12.840 watched when before like your balls drop, I guess, or like, yeah, 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.080 I said it, And I feel like I feel like 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:20.360 that is because the romance. There's so much romance around, 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:25.080 like heartbreak and relationships that I think is even more 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.199 dramatic if you haven't had your first heartbreak, right like, 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.720 I think a lot of heartbreak. Movies are actually better 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:34.160 when you experience romance because you get to like taste 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.120 that suffering and that Catharsis. 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:38.920 You get to romanticize romance. 0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.119 Yes, but I also think that it is a movie 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:46.800 that can be really impactful if you have just ended 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.879 a very significant relationship. And I know that it's like 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:55.000 I imagine, so yeah, it is really like it speaks volumes. 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.639 I'm sure if I had seen this movie when I 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.120 was in high school, I absolutely would have made it 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.320 my entire personality. I really do think that's the thing 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.280 of it is, like as as millennials like this is 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.400 a movie that would have I mean, for me two 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.840 thousand and four, Like I was a sophomore junior in. 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:16.119 High school, so like, yes, this Well, also what I 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.280 realized is, okay, I will say this, this movie is 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:25.120 what I would call Garden State Corps. There was this 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:31.720 spat of indie films in the mid two thousands that 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:35.960 gained mainstream prominence in a way that that those hadn't 0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:37.280 really happened. 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:41.400 Empowered by you know the Shins. 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.800 Yes, the Shins, freu frough, you know, image heap was 0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:45.600 all over the place. 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:47.200 Postal service. 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.120 Also, I think part of it is that all of 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.800 these indie films, the ones we're talking about specifically, had 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.760 movie stars in them that brought them that mainstream attention 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:02.400 and commercials success that I think up until then, indie 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:07.440 film hadn't really experienced, especially these like smaller romantic comedies 0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:12.280 or romantic dramas. And I did see Garden State when 0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.560 it came out, and I did make it my whole personality, 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.640 and I still love it and I'm obsessed with it, 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.920 and it's like one of my favorite movies and like 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:26.720 a kind of story that I would love to tell. 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.960 And Eternal Sunshine, I mean, yeah, if I had seen 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:32.640 it was when I was a teenager, I think I 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.480 would have been totally obsessed with it. And now seeing 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:41.400 it as a very jaded adult, ye, I'm like. 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.680 Doesn't have the same? Sure have the same? Like punkdum 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:46.240 It's yeah, it's not the same. 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:47.720 Doesn't have the same? 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.480 What punk them a word? 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.240 What does that mean? 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:52.800 I think I've actually, I think we've had this exact 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.960 same conversation on the podcast before. But punk them is 0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:01.680 a term used in like, particularly in photography artistry, about 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:07.200 the unnameable, like kind of sublime way that an image 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.920 just makes sense and hits like there's something indescribable about 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:16.080 what you're seeing visually that just hits you and you're like, 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:17.520 this is exactly right. 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:18.320 It's a punk dum. 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:25.360 Okay that that term is very helpful, And yeah, I 0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:29.960 did not experience that when watching this movie. I was 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.600 kind of bored watching it and was kind of waiting 0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:34.520 for it to be over, That's what I'm saying. 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.080 Yeah, it gets a little slow, which is kind of 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:41.400 a Michelle Gondry thing. A lot of his movies are slow, muted, 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:47.959 like palettes, like weird, like kind of hard to grasp sometimes. 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:52.640 And you know, there were parts of it that I 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.840 really liked. I thought Kirsten Dunst was great, and I 0:30:55.960 --> 0:31:04.320 actually thought that her storyline was maybe the film I 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.440 was more interested in seeing. But it would have been 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.960 a very different movie, probably like a much darker one 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:16.000 her storyline, and I guess like that's with this specific premise, 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:19.560 like that is maybe the road I'm more interested in 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:24.120 going down, Like we don't get a lot of small 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.960 sci fi movies like this, or like sci fi romantic 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:33.520 comedies or romantic dramas, like there's this movie that came 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.720 out in like I guess kind of around the same time, 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.000 like early two thousand's called Timer. Have you ever heard 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.440 of it? It's a movie in which there's a world 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.000 where you can get a timer, like a sort of 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:51.080 stop watch, installed in your wrist, and it counts down 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:55.840 to the moment that you meet your soulmate. Oh and 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.200 it's a romantic comedy. And I initially watched it because 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.200 a Coffield who plays Anya and Buffy was in it, 0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:05.480 and I just became obsessed with it. And you still 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.320 rent it from Blockbuster all the time. It's like one 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:12.680 of those yes, but yeah, I there we You know, 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:15.600 we're now in such the age of like big sci 0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.400 fi blockbusters and superhero movies and that kind of stuff 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.760 that we don't get these smaller, quieter sci fi films, 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:27.600 and like specifically, I think sci fi romances, And you know, 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.120 this is not a movie where the science fiction is 0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.480 sort of like incidental to the plot. It's like the 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:35.280 movie wouldn't be happening if it if it weren't for that. 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.600 But I do appreciate that it's sort of like still 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:41.120 kind of a gentle sci fi in a way. It's 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:48.000 all very internal. Also, Jim Carrey is so hot in 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:52.120 this movie. And I mean your type in this movie, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.960 I know. I mean, I have long known that I 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:56.440 have a thing for Jim Carrey. 0:32:56.760 --> 0:32:57.640 I didn't know this. 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:02.080 I haven't know about fuck Baby Baby. Waita wait, by 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:02.560 what movie? 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.600 Is he the hottest? Is this the hottest he's ever been? A? No? 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:10.920 I mean I am. I am partial to young Jim Carrey. 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.560 He was in this movie Once Bitten, this nineteen eighty 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:18.160 five movie that's about an older female vampire. It's gonna 0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.520 be about a vampire who wants to suck the blood 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.200 out of young Jim Carrey. And it's so hot and 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:27.440 he's so hot in it. I want to see that. 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.880 But also, is it a Christmas movie if it's called 0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.440 Once Bitten? No, it's a it's a vampire movie, I know. 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.240 But like Once Bitten and Twice. 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:40.040 Shy, I mean I think the movie predates that song 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:41.640 because it's eighty five. 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:43.960 Oh yeah, oh so that might. 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.760 Oh, once Bitten twice Shy is probably like an expression 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:47.480 that I've never. 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:50.600 It is, and it's famously an expression that is used 0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:51.360 by that song. 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.600 Wait, oh wait, what does what does the expression mean? 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:55.720 I don't know? 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.720 Okay, wait, no, let's find out right now once bitten twice, 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.600 shy and unpleasant experience inducing caution, that's pretty generic. 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.520 So yes, I would suck Jim Carrey in this movie 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.680 kind of at all times. I'm interested to know. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:15.200 Oh, you would even suck ace Ventura. Oh yeah, I 0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:17.880 mean he is actually he is actually really like his 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.920 he is kind of a like a jungle Austin Powers 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:23.280 in that movie. 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.600 Jungle Austin Powers. Can you explain that? 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.799 Yeah, because like he, I mean a Sventra is like 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.800 horny and thrusty and like has all these jokes about 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.560 being this kind of like Johnny Bravo esque, like Macho man. 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:37.520 And yeah, I think. 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.200 Where's the jungle part of it? Though? 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.040 Ace Ventura takes place in the jungle like it's all right, 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:44.080 No it doesn't yet, Yes it does. 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.880 It like takes place like in Africa. A lot of 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.080 it takes place in Africa. And this is. 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.400 The second one does where he comes out of the 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.040 rhinoceroses butt yeaheah. 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.319 And maybe also maybe I don't remember the first one, 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:57.480 but I think maybe I'm just. 0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:01.160 Oh, the first one is the first one is extremely transphobic. 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.400 Oh I thought they were both transphobic. 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.040 Probably probably, but the first one is the one that 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.960 specifically has a trans character who is the villain and 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.759 her clocking is played for laughs at the end of 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:14.240 the film. 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:15.959 I'm my jaws dropped. 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.080 Well, I'm glad I misremembering this because I used to, 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.040 like my might of course, like my dad loved these movies, 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.520 which is like insane because my parents wouldn't let me 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:28.840 watch anything at all, and yet these movies were offensive sexual, 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.400 like you know, all these things like what the heck? 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.760 But yeah, no, he's he is Austin Powers meets Doctor 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.160 Doolittle in a Hawaiian shirt. 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.400 I mean he's you know, a comedian doing a character 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:41.759 in a movie, you know. 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.400 Right, or that as something. 0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:46.600 Okay, So on the note of like this being like 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.440 a bit of a slow movie, it's I think it's 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.040 worth noting that Michel Gondry primarily directs music videos. I 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.200 think definitely before this film, and I think mostly after 0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.000 as well. And you can definitely tell because I think 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.880 the movies beautiful, like visually, like I think it's stunning. 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:04.960 You can tell why. 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.879 It's like Tumblr viral, how like every frame of it 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.560 can be a gorgeous gift that you would reblog for 0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:16.080 clout and but I've never seen his other his like 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.400 other film that everyone talks about, which is called The 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.200 Science of Sleep, which is about like a young guy 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.839 who has like vivid dreams that are interfering with his 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:29.279 waking life. And it's about like dreams and imagination, me 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:30.480 love and. 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.720 So like weirds recently. 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:36.640 Yeah, but it's it's very his stuff is is very weird, 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.400 and I think that that was like part of the 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:42.200 appeal of this is like, even though now it feels 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:44.000 like it's a it's a part of this kind of 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.480 cliched or over played, like Indi Slee's Machine. Like at 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.880 the time, you know, if you were like, oh, my 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.399 favorite movie is like Eternal Cension of the Spotless Mind, 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.000 you kind of felt cool because you thought you were 0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.840 participating in cinema because this is a weird post rising movie. 0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.759 You're like, it feels counter cultural, but in fact it 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:05.240 was just the cultural. 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.360 It was the culture exactly exactly. 0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:33.239 If this service that exists in this movie existed, iro, 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:35.000 would you use it? 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.960 I mean, short answer, no, But I actually have a 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:45.359 really funny story about that. Sometime last year, I don't 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.839 remember why, but I was kind of like thinking about 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:50.680 Eternal Sunshine because it did used to be my favorite movie. 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.520 I was one of the Tumblr kids that said Eternal 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.239 Sunshine is my favorite movie or in my trucks or 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.759 in my top five favorite movies because I love you know, 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:03.839 top vibes, and I the other day the other year 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:05.719 last year, I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, yeah, 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:06.120 that movie. 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:06.560 Oh yeah. 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.960 And I haven't actually revisited the movie in adulthood. I 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.120 kind of wish I was able to watch it before 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:15.000 the record, but if I do, well kind of hang 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.919 back to you. But I was like googling, like does 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:21.839 the memory erasing technology of Eternal Sunshine like exist? Like 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:26.040 that seems like something that in a dystopian age of 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:31.400 science in the twenty twenties, like that people would have 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.120 someone would have developed by now, like some sort of 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:38.680 mad scientist. And I, you know, read this like article 0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.439 about how you know, no people are developing a kind 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.200 of technology like that. But right now, the closest thing 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:51.239 people get is like taking certain medications to help them 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.359 stave off like memories or intrusive thoughts related to their 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:59.839 trauma or traumatic experiences in the past. And I look 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.719 at the drug at the at the drug that they 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.279 were referring to you, and. 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:04.960 I was on it. 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:07.200 What do you mean? 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:11.520 I was on propinolaw, which is this the drug that 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:15.080 they were referring to. And I was like, oh my god, 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:17.319 here I am like googling if I can erase my 0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.239 brain and I actually already figured out a way to 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:21.040 kind of do. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:21.719 That a little bit. 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:24.800 I love that it was lovely. 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.759 What about you? Would you? Would you press no? 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:28.319 I will know I want to. I want to turn 0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:30.200 this back on you because I don't believe you're I 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:32.759 don't believe you're no answer. So I'm going to force you. 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.960 If you if I held a gun to your head 0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:40.000 and said you have to erase, okay, something like okay, 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:45.239 an ex, lover, a job, an experience, what would you 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:46.480 use this technology on? 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.960 Okay, you should prepare your answer as well. I think 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:58.040 I'll definitely say if I could erase. This is tough because, 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.160 as you know, the thematic consequence of the film teaches 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:09.400 us the hurtful things in our past actually make us 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.480 who we are, and so to erase such a large 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.760 chunk of your past is to kind of you'll still 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:21.279 feel this like vacuous hole in your life. And and 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:24.480 and therefore I mean yeah, I mean kind of yeah, 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.960 but I I yeah, no, You'll the even if you 0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:30.359 were to erase your life right like looking back on 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.840 if you if it didn't exist in your brain anymore, 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:38.239 the the empty presence of that memory would still be 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:42.719 something that you're reckoning with. And so I think that's 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.000 I say that because like the thing that I would 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.480 probably erase is like my childhood, like I have and 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:50.600 I've been doing unfortunately a lot of writing on this 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.799 upcoming book project, and so that's like part of it. 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:58.279 But I just have so many poignant. 0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:03.799 Memories from grade to around like my sophomore junior year 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:09.279 of high school that really, I guess damaged my relationship 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:13.600 to my gender, damaged my relationship to my queerness, and 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.040 kept me away from myself for literally twenty years. And 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:20.200 I always think about, like, if I didn't have this 0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:24.960 formative memory around, you know, something trans that happened to 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:26.880 me in first grade, if I didn't have this like 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:31.400 really hurtful thing that happened to me around general conformity 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.719 in my freshman year of college, like would I have 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:39.640 started would I have like found who I am earlier? 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.839 You know, as opposed to where I am now in 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:49.120 my murm redacted age shut up, but bleep that phoebe Okay, 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:49.759 So what about you? 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:50.560 What would you erase? 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.240 Well, I mean, as as we know already, as listeners 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:58.040 of this podcast know, I famously already remember, you've already 0:41:58.040 --> 0:41:58.920 horrible memory. 0:41:59.160 --> 0:42:03.040 You've already done many street drugs in your early twenties 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.680 to have effectively erased much of it. 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.000 Here we are two empty headed girls. 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.640 Yes, I think I have a specific ex who I 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:18.799 think I would use this on, because every six to 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:22.800 twelve months he will reappear in my life, either through 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:30.000 like contact or just me seeing him online somewhere, and 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.080 I will just get sucked back in. I'll go and 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.359 read all of our dms to each other, like I'll 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.640 look through my phone at photos of us like that 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:43.239 I have not deleted and never will. And you know, 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.799 he still has this power over me even when it's 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:51.400 not him that's like actively seeking me out, although usually 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:55.360 that is what it is. And if I could just 0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:57.840 erase him from my memory, because I do think that 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.680 is the only thing that would take this power that 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:02.880 he has over me away, as if I did not 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:08.640 remember being in love with him, obsessed with him. Yeah, 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.080 I would absolutely do that because I don't think he 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.480 brought anything good into my life that I would miss 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.480 in erasing him from me. Yeah. 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.520 Well, honestly, now that you're saying that, like I would 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.640 erase my first boyfriend, like absolutely, and you know the 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.839 opposite of you, I actually never hear of this man ever, 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:33.319 Like he's not on social he does. I don't keep 0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.879 up with him, like, I don't have any mutuals with him, 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.000 and I don't have images of him on my phone 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.520 like I because we were in high school, Like this 0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:45.799 year and a half long relationship is just so far 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:50.520 away from me now. And yet the residue of that 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:56.239 relationship and the things that I learned in that relationship 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.880 that like were really hard to learn because he was 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:01.960 kind of, you know, for lack of a better way 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:06.520 of putting it, emotionally abusive. I am now paying for 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.840 that relationship in every future relationship. So I feel like 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:14.120 every relationship I've almost every relationship I've had in my 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:20.080 adulthood has these like TIFFs or fights or pain points 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:26.560 that are a consequence of this really really negative experience 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:27.360 that I had. 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:28.720 With my first kind of partner. 0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:35.360 MM hmm, wow. I know. And the thing is, the 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.440 thing is that I still feel like kind of a liar, 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:42.239 and saying that I would erase him this hypothetical sense 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:47.120 is an exercise it because because the reality is, I 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.920 have the option to erase all of the parts of 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.960 him that still exist in my life. I could block 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.600 him and delete all these photos and delete his number 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.719 and all this stuff, but I choose not to. And 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.080 you know, this movie, because of the time when it 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.080 came out, it does kind of pre date the ways 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:08.839 in which relationships, friendships, experiences that were no longer part 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:10.960 of or able to live on in our lives. Like 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:15.280 we didn't have the same kind of you know, digital 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:20.759 paper trail that exists now. And I mean that's what 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:22.360 some of the best sci fi does, is like it. 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:25.960 You know, it's speculative fiction and in a way like 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.240 what Jim Carrey and Kate Winslett do and like deleting 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.560 each other from their brains, Like we can do a 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:35.080 version of that with our phones, and we choose not to. 0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.960 Yeah, I think that blocking people is I don't The 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:44.040 main reason I don't like doing it is if that 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:48.279 person finds out that they're blocked, then they know that 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:52.760 I'm thinking about them, and so I prefer muting, which 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.480 I do for lots and lots and lots of people, 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.640 not just exes, but people that I don't want to 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:01.240 see online anymore. People that you know bring up memories 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:02.320 that I'm just like, I don't want to care. I 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:03.680 don't care about you, and more, I don't want to 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:07.200 hear your take on anything. I love to mute, and 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:15.319 I will say uh to argue against the theory, the thematic 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:20.000 question of eternal sunshine, like when I have muted someone 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:23.000 for so long, like if I've had someone on mute 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.120 for years and then all of a sudden their like 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.400 name pops up somewhere and I'm like, oh, I forgot 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:32.920 that person existed, Like that is so powerful to me, like. 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:34.600 I forgot I have a got it. 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:35.319 Oh my god. 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:39.080 Sorry side note, side note. The only song that I no, no, no, 0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.399 that's not true, not the only song. I love that 0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:47.320 song and Cruel Summer I know everyone song is ass 0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.960 I love it, love love love it. But maybe I 0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:55.520 love that song because the extremely hampested lyrics of it 0:46:55.640 --> 0:46:58.520 speak just to me personally, like I forgetting that someone 0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:02.080 else existed is like my favorite favorite thing. I think 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:06.319 it's like it has this it has this power that 0:47:06.760 --> 0:47:10.319 I really revel in. And I don't know if you 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:14.520 know this about me, Rose, but revenge is one of 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:19.480 the primary motivational forces in my lifetime, Like from high school. 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:22.000 I do know that, Yes, from high school to where 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:24.719 I am at now. I have a lot of my 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.440 success to think from. 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:30.120 The bullies and abusers. 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.840 Of my past who told me that I couldn't do 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:34.799 the things that I want to do, and then I 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:36.880 went out and did them and proved them wrong and 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:38.440 was like more successful than they ever were. 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.720 Sorry, and I so ugly. 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:46.200 It's not ugly, it's honest. But you you still want 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:49.879 to be visible to the people that you are no 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:51.080 longer engaging with. 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:53.840 Yes, that you want an eternal sunshine scenario. This is 0:47:53.880 --> 0:47:54.600 a little different. 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:58.439 I do think, like I get where you're coming from. 0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:04.560 On the like the idea that blocking someone telegraphs something 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:08.200 to them, potentially about some kind of power they still 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:11.919 have over you. I don't necessarily see it that way. 0:48:12.000 --> 0:48:19.080 I see it as like creating the only boundary you 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:22.279 can create in this modern world and cutting off any 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.400 access they have to you. And in fact it's like 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:27.719 I think it's like a bit more of a of 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.080 a fuck you than that. And I certainly don't. I 0:48:31.120 --> 0:48:36.160 certainly don't see like blocking someone as like giving them 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:41.600 giving them power. No, yeah, because because like I also 0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:45.359 do sort of like I feel the same way about 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.960 people who I'm like no longer in contact with, but 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.920 like haven't blocked or anything. And and I do like 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.400 the idea of sometimes I'll go and like look at 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:57.080 my my Instagram or Twitter or something, and I'll try 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:00.319 to look at it through the eyes of someone else 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:05.719 and like try to understand like what that's presenting to them, 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:08.160 Like who is the version of me that they're seeing 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:11.080 like that? And that's just like a sick consequence of 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:18.280 social media. I don't I don't block people a lot. 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.160 I wish I did more. And it's more it's more 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:24.360 because of me. It's more because I still want the 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:28.040 ability to access the information. I'm still a little bit 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.719 of a not not really a creeper, but you know, 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.240 you're a human. I'm a human. 0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:38.920 I will say I wasn't like necessarily prescribing that muting 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:39.880 versus blocking. 0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:44.920 I know, I'm just not just digging into the conversation. 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:47.320 But like not even to you, like to the virgins, 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:50.279 Like it's like it's like what works for you, And 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:55.200 like I would not prescribe revenge as a motivational force 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.040 in your life, you know, Like that is like not 0:49:57.160 --> 0:49:59.520 something I'm proud of. It just so happens to be 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:00.920 a fact of me. 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.160 And if it works, it works. 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:03.880 If it works. 0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.200 Look, it has been working at every turn I have. 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.520 I have so many moments in my life that are 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:18.239 just this crystal clear Taylor Swift backed moment where I'm like, oh, 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.239 not only did I forget that you existed, but like 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:27.359 I am so happy without you, oh honestly, also very 0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:32.120 like Billie Eilish coded with her Happier Than Ever banger, 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:36.160 which is maybe top three Billie Eilish songs for me. 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:57.760 So rose. 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:02.360 I have not seen Garden State since it was shown 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:06.160 to me as a teen, and I don't even remember yes, 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:10.280 and I don't even remember the I don't even remember 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:12.479 the plot of the movie. 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:16.759 It's it's one of my favorite movies. And I know 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.239 that I know that there's something about that that makes 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.560 me like a kind of basic in the way that 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.719 we've been talking about. But I like fully don't care 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.360 because I do love it, and it just I watched 0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.840 it at a very formative time in my life. And 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.160 I mean the same way that you feel about Eternal Sunshine, 0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:35.040 That's how I feel about Garden State, which is about 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:39.799 this struggling actor played by Zach Braff who goes home 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:45.399 when his mother dies and just has this transformative couple 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:49.640 of days as he meets this woman played by Natalie 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:54.080 Portman andrina reconnects with his hometown friends and like kind 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.400 of pass it out with his dad. And he's also 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.960 coming off of the like mood stabilizing medications he's been 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.640 on his whole life. And I don't know, there was 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.359 something about that that I really responded to. I think 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:09.480 like the Judaism was part of it because the main 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:15.400 character is Jewish. I really liked that, And I don't know, 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:17.600 I just saw like a lot of my own, like 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:21.120 family dynamics in that. And I don't know, it's weird 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.520 because it's not like the main character is not someone 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.279 who I necessarily identify with, you know, he's this like 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:28.640 straight guy. 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:32.280 And whatever happened to Zach Braf, I like never watched Scrubs. 0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.120 Well, he dated Florence Pew and then they did. 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:39.359 That is I had no idea about that. 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.320 Yeah, I really want to do a Sofia Coppola episode, 0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:46.560 because you know, I love Sophia and Sofia Coppola ran 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:47.440 Tumblr like. 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:52.200 The Navy, and I famously don't really enjoy Sofia Copla 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:55.640 films outside of Marie Antoinette. But the reason I tend 0:52:55.719 --> 0:53:00.799 to not enjoy Sophia Copla films is the reason is 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:04.040 part of the reason maybe you didn't enjoy Eternal Sunshine 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:08.960 is this kind of slow, this slowness, this like this 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.760 a lot of like dead air, these like muted textures 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:17.279 and like kind of monotonal dialogue, like a lot of 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.719 style over substance exactly which I look. I love style 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:26.279 over substance, like I still stand Baz Luhrman. Okay, but 0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.839 I know, and that was I think those A lot 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:32.399 of Sophia Coppolo's movies are very slow to me. I've 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:35.440 never enjoyed Lost in Translation the Virgins are going to 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:37.719 come from. I don't really like Lost in Translation either. 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.280 Such a relief to hear you say that. I feel 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.719 crazy whenever people talk about it, like it is like, 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:44.400 you know, the fucking. 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.000 Greatest movie I've not read it. 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:50.000 It's not one of my favorites, but Virgin Suicides is 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:51.960 one of my favorite movies and one of my favorite books. 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:55.120 Marie Antoinette is tied for first place. My favorite movie, 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.960 The Beguiled is really amazing. 0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:05.839 Some is directed by Soyvia Gobbla. Yeah I didn't know that. 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.080 Okay, I do love The Biguild, But that's kind of 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:13.000 crazy considering that The Biguild is literally Virgin Suicides, but 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:18.160 with the Hatchet and with Colin Farrell with with Hatchet 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:23.160 and Colin Farrell literally the same almost the same plot. 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:27.759 But in the what is it right? 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.080 No, no, no, no, I'm pretty I'm pretty right about this. 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:34.600 I'm I actually I feel like I am saying this accurately. 0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:36.640 They are pretty much the exact same movie. 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:40.440 No, because in the Virgin Suicides, like they're like malaise 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:43.400 is like turned in words, and and in The Beguile 0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:46.720 that's turned onto an external force, which is Colin Farrell 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:49.439 to each their own. 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:51.960 Also, the Beguild is like told from. 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.440 The women's point of view, and the Virgin Suicides like 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.720 famously about a bunch of boys who are like spectators 0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:01.240 looking in on the women, right, which is why. 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.239 But that's like kind of it's infuriating that that is 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:08.160 the lens that Sophia took with the book, because. 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:09.800 Isn't that's the lens of the book. 0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.560 Then I will just say I hate the corrective voice 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:16.960 of this cultural entity because like, why I don't want 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.960 to hear from the boy's perspective. I guess, like, I guess, 0:55:20.000 --> 0:55:21.600 actually I'm saying this stupid. 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.600 It's kind of the whole point. Yes, it is because 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:25.680 these girls are these girls are unknowable. 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.400 Yes, and also you have to hear it from an 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:32.640 outside perspective in order for the allure of their of 0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:36.879 their story to make sense. But I just maybe that 0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:39.640 that's just that's just me being like I don't want 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.280 to hear men talking. 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.480 Slide into our DMS at Like a Virgin four twenty 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:54.960 sixty nine and let us know what you would erase 0:55:55.000 --> 0:56:00.919 from your memory if Eternal Sunshine technology existed. 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