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Speaker 1: It was so big.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 1: Your life's going down the floor like.

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Speaker 2: Round on the docket for a discussion today, Rose is

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Speaker 2: Drag Race All Stars. The first two episodes all Stars.

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Speaker 1: And something.

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Speaker 3: Eight.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good to know eight. I honestly thought it was seven.

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Speaker 3: The more you know.

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Speaker 2: Do you have initial faves from the jump or like

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Speaker 2: a kind of impression of the cast as you started watching.

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily have early favorites. Actually, no, that's a

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Speaker 3: lie I do. I am obsessed with James Mansfield and

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Speaker 3: I want her to win. Oh and by the way,

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Speaker 3: this is like a virgin the show we give yesterday's

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Speaker 3: pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose Daumu and I'm fran Torado.

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Speaker 3: What I appreciated about the cast is that it has

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Speaker 3: a very early drag Race mix of girls. And here's

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Speaker 3: what I'll say. The season feels very off the rack.

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Speaker 2: I tally agree off the rack and honey, it did

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Yeah, I mean I like

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Speaker 3: that vibe for drag Race, especially because like with All

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Speaker 3: Stars All winners, like that was the most polished, the

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Speaker 3: most like custom costume, lip injections, filler blah blah blah,

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Speaker 2: I'll say that I have to agree with you. I

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Speaker 2: was that, speaking of filler, there are too many filler queens,

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Speaker 2: and when you have an All Stars season, there.

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Speaker 1: Should be no fillers period, Like even the fillers are stars.

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Speaker 2: Like if you think about All Stars past, someone like

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Speaker 2: Cocoa Montrees who went home first for All Stars two

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Speaker 2: like damn, like someone like Cocoa is going home first,

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Speaker 2: like she's not even I don't know that it was devastating.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty it was pretty deserved. It was deserved.

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Speaker 2: It was a totally deserved and same thing with this one. Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, the people that went home I think were

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Speaker 2: Stars two or whatever, three whatever, Coca was not a

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Speaker 2: was like such good TV. She was so funny. She's

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't really feel like, what is it?

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Speaker 3: It to the end.

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Speaker 1: She's the moment.

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Speaker 1: You didn't watch Untucked, did you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't ever think watching Untucked is worth it.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: You have to watch it. I'll send you a little

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Speaker 3: To me, I think calling it performance art lends it

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Speaker 3: It all towards the end. But you know, it is

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Speaker 3: a nice thing to watch, like on Saturday, Like every

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Speaker 1: Drag Race on a Saturday morning, I did the same thing.

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Speaker 3: It's like Saturday Morning cartoons. The drag queens are like

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Speaker 1: Yes, Saturday Morning cartoons.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so cartoon character is speaking of back to James Mansfield,

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Speaker 3: I love how crazy kooky she is. I really like

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Speaker 3: Vintage glamor of it, all the hair, the exaggeration. I

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Speaker 3: She has a YouTube channel. I've watched some of her

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Speaker 3: never not be funny to me, It's so good. So

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Speaker 3: I live for her, and I thought all I thought her.

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Speaker 3: All of her looks in this episode were fantastic. I

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Speaker 3: you know like sketch comedy SNL Ripoff Challenge, which how

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Speaker 3: weird it was to not have because this isn't Bowen

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Speaker 3: a guest judge later this season, how ye to have

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Speaker 2: That episode made no sense, no sense at all, But

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Speaker 2: I'm sure maybe it was like a date conflict or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I live for her. I live I

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Speaker 2: I love James extremely polished drag, like classic polished, like

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Speaker 3: they didn't critique the queens at all. I'm so happy

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Speaker 3: we're back to eliminating queens after critiquing them, because they

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Speaker 2: They do they need to be crituck they need to

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Speaker 2: be crotuked. I one hundred percent agree. I feel like that,

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Speaker 3: I love Heidi.

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Speaker 2: I'm worried about her because I think Kahanna, who I

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Speaker 1: And I don't really literally who is she.

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Speaker 2: She's from season eleven allegedly allegedly allegedly and she went

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think she was a first home queen, fourteenth

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Speaker 2: place Jim Okay. The thing with Jimbo is like, what's

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Speaker 3: Drag, but something about her just rubs me the way,

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Speaker 1: Her face is very like like mayor of Huvil.

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Speaker 3: I don't like her, but I like but I like

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Speaker 2: So okay, I am a huge Jimbo stan from uh

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Gifts of those gifts of those movies are like what

440
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Speaker 3: Tumblr ran off of anyone for anyone who doesn't know.

441
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is a two thousand

442
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Speaker 3: and four movie directed by Michelle Gondry. It stars Jim Carrey,

443
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Speaker 3: Kate Winslet, Kirsten Dunst, Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood.

444
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Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo, I forgot about him.

445
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he plays one of the technicians. So it's about

446
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: this man, Jim Carrey, who discovers that his ex girlfriend

447
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: has used this service to have him erased from her memory,

448
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: so he does the same in retaliation. The film is,

449
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: you know, sort of like gentle sci fi. I guess

450
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Speaker 3: you would call it. What can I say? I do

451
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: find it surprising that y'all were doing all that on

452
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: Tumblr over this movie.

453
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: Because it's like slow, weird and sometimes boring. Yeah, I

454
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: just like didn't really like it all that. I mean,

455
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Speaker 2: I know I.

456
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Speaker 3: Liked it, yea, what did you like?

457
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Speaker 1: And dislike?

458
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: I liked it. I guess I was expecting this feeling

459
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Speaker 3: I have sometimes when I watch these films that have

460
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: been so hyped to me that you know, they are

461
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: like slotting into this place that almost had been waiting

462
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: for them in my own internal like canon of media.

463
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Speaker 3: And this didn't really do that for me. I thought

464
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Speaker 3: I was really gonna love it, and I thought it

465
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Speaker 3: was good, but I didn't think it was like groundbreaking

466
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Speaker 3: or anything. Maybe I would have if I had seen

467
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Speaker 3: it in two thousand and four.

468
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Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's part of it, is

469
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: it it's a movie most effectively watched before you're maybe well, okay,

470
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Speaker 2: here's the thing. I think it's a movie that is

471
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: maybe in its tone and how it's executed, most effectively

472
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: watched when before like your balls drop, I guess, or like, yeah,

473
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: I said it, And I feel like I feel like

474
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: that is because the romance. There's so much romance around,

475
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: like heartbreak and relationships that I think is even more

476
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 2: dramatic if you haven't had your first heartbreak, right like,

477
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: I think a lot of heartbreak. Movies are actually better

478
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: when you experience romance because you get to like taste

479
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: that suffering and that Catharsis.

480
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: You get to romanticize romance.

481
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: Yes, but I also think that it is a movie

482
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: that can be really impactful if you have just ended

483
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: a very significant relationship. And I know that it's like

484
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: I imagine, so yeah, it is really like it speaks volumes.

485
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure if I had seen this movie when I

486
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 2: was in high school, I absolutely would have made it

487
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: my entire personality. I really do think that's the thing

488
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: of it is, like as as millennials like this is

489
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Speaker 2: a movie that would have I mean, for me two

490
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: thousand and four, Like I was a sophomore junior in.

491
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 3: High school, so like, yes, this Well, also what I

492
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: realized is, okay, I will say this, this movie is

493
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: what I would call Garden State Corps. There was this

494
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: spat of indie films in the mid two thousands that

495
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: gained mainstream prominence in a way that that those hadn't

496
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: really happened.

497
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Speaker 1: Empowered by you know the Shins.

498
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: Yes, the Shins, freu frough, you know, image heap was

499
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: all over the place.

500
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Speaker 1: Postal service.

501
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: Also, I think part of it is that all of

502
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: these indie films, the ones we're talking about specifically, had

503
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: movie stars in them that brought them that mainstream attention

504
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: and commercials success that I think up until then, indie

505
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: film hadn't really experienced, especially these like smaller romantic comedies

506
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: or romantic dramas. And I did see Garden State when

507
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: it came out, and I did make it my whole personality,

508
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: and I still love it and I'm obsessed with it,

509
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: and it's like one of my favorite movies and like

510
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: a kind of story that I would love to tell.

511
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: And Eternal Sunshine, I mean, yeah, if I had seen

512
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: it was when I was a teenager, I think I

513
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: would have been totally obsessed with it. And now seeing

514
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: it as a very jaded adult, ye, I'm like.

515
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: Doesn't have the same? Sure have the same? Like punkdum

516
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's not the same.

517
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: Doesn't have the same?

518
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: What punk them a word?

519
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

520
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: I think I've actually, I think we've had this exact

521
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: same conversation on the podcast before. But punk them is

522
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: a term used in like, particularly in photography artistry, about

523
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: the unnameable, like kind of sublime way that an image

524
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: just makes sense and hits like there's something indescribable about

525
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: what you're seeing visually that just hits you and you're like,

526
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: this is exactly right.

527
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Speaker 1: It's a punk dum.

528
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Speaker 3: Okay that that term is very helpful, And yeah, I

529
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 3: did not experience that when watching this movie. I was

530
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: kind of bored watching it and was kind of waiting

531
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: for it to be over, That's what I'm saying.

532
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets a little slow, which is kind of

533
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: a Michelle Gondry thing. A lot of his movies are slow, muted,

534
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 2: like palettes, like weird, like kind of hard to grasp sometimes.

535
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: And you know, there were parts of it that I

536
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: really liked. I thought Kirsten Dunst was great, and I

537
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: actually thought that her storyline was maybe the film I

538
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: was more interested in seeing. But it would have been

539
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: a very different movie, probably like a much darker one

540
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: her storyline, and I guess like that's with this specific premise,

541
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: like that is maybe the road I'm more interested in

542
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: going down, Like we don't get a lot of small

543
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: sci fi movies like this, or like sci fi romantic

544
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: comedies or romantic dramas, like there's this movie that came

545
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: out in like I guess kind of around the same time,

546
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: like early two thousand's called Timer. Have you ever heard

547
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: of it? It's a movie in which there's a world

548
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: where you can get a timer, like a sort of

549
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: stop watch, installed in your wrist, and it counts down

550
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: to the moment that you meet your soulmate. Oh and

551
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: it's a romantic comedy. And I initially watched it because

552
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: a Coffield who plays Anya and Buffy was in it,

553
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: and I just became obsessed with it. And you still

554
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: rent it from Blockbuster all the time. It's like one

555
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: of those yes, but yeah, I there we You know,

556
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: we're now in such the age of like big sci

557
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: fi blockbusters and superhero movies and that kind of stuff

558
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: that we don't get these smaller, quieter sci fi films,

559
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: and like specifically, I think sci fi romances, And you know,

560
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: this is not a movie where the science fiction is

561
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: sort of like incidental to the plot. It's like the

562
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: movie wouldn't be happening if it if it weren't for that.

563
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: But I do appreciate that it's sort of like still

564
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: kind of a gentle sci fi in a way. It's

565
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: all very internal. Also, Jim Carrey is so hot in

566
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: this movie. And I mean your type in this movie,

567
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: I know. I mean, I have long known that I

568
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: have a thing for Jim Carrey.

569
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know this.

570
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: I haven't know about fuck Baby Baby. Waita wait, by

571
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: what movie?

572
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: Is he the hottest? Is this the hottest he's ever been? A? No?

573
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: I mean I am. I am partial to young Jim Carrey.

574
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: He was in this movie Once Bitten, this nineteen eighty

575
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: five movie that's about an older female vampire. It's gonna

576
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: be about a vampire who wants to suck the blood

577
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: out of young Jim Carrey. And it's so hot and

578
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: he's so hot in it. I want to see that.

579
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: But also, is it a Christmas movie if it's called

580
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: Once Bitten? No, it's a it's a vampire movie, I know.

581
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: But like Once Bitten and Twice.

582
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: Shy, I mean I think the movie predates that song

583
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: because it's eighty five.

584
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh so that might.

585
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: Oh, once Bitten twice Shy is probably like an expression

586
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: that I've never.

587
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: It is, and it's famously an expression that is used

588
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: by that song.

589
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: Wait, oh wait, what does what does the expression mean?

590
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't know?

591
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, no, let's find out right now once bitten twice,

592
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: shy and unpleasant experience inducing caution, that's pretty generic.

593
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: So yes, I would suck Jim Carrey in this movie

594
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: kind of at all times. I'm interested to know.

595
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: Oh, you would even suck ace Ventura. Oh yeah, I

596
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: mean he is actually he is actually really like his

597
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: he is kind of a like a jungle Austin Powers

598
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 2: in that movie.

599
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: Jungle Austin Powers. Can you explain that?

600
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like he, I mean a Sventra is like

601
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: horny and thrusty and like has all these jokes about

602
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: being this kind of like Johnny Bravo esque, like Macho man.

603
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think.

604
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: Where's the jungle part of it? Though?

605
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: Ace Ventura takes place in the jungle like it's all right,

606
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: No it doesn't yet, Yes it does.

607
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: It like takes place like in Africa. A lot of

608
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: it takes place in Africa. And this is.

609
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: The second one does where he comes out of the

610
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 3: rhinoceroses butt yeaheah.

611
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: And maybe also maybe I don't remember the first one,

612
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: but I think maybe I'm just.

613
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: Oh, the first one is the first one is extremely transphobic.

614
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: Oh I thought they were both transphobic.

615
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Probably probably, but the first one is the one that

616
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: specifically has a trans character who is the villain and

617
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: her clocking is played for laughs at the end of

618
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 3: the film.

619
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: I'm my jaws dropped.

620
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I misremembering this because I used to,

621
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: like my might of course, like my dad loved these movies,

622
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: which is like insane because my parents wouldn't let me

623
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: watch anything at all, and yet these movies were offensive sexual,

624
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: like you know, all these things like what the heck?

625
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, he's he is Austin Powers meets Doctor

626
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Doolittle in a Hawaiian shirt.

627
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: I mean he's you know, a comedian doing a character

628
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: in a movie, you know.

629
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: Right, or that as something.

630
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Speaker 2: Okay, So on the note of like this being like

631
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: a bit of a slow movie, it's I think it's

632
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: worth noting that Michel Gondry primarily directs music videos. I

633
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: think definitely before this film, and I think mostly after

634
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: as well. And you can definitely tell because I think

635
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: the movies beautiful, like visually, like I think it's stunning.

636
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: You can tell why.

637
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: It's like Tumblr viral, how like every frame of it

638
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: can be a gorgeous gift that you would reblog for

639
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: clout and but I've never seen his other his like

640
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: other film that everyone talks about, which is called The

641
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: Science of Sleep, which is about like a young guy

642
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: who has like vivid dreams that are interfering with his

643
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: waking life. And it's about like dreams and imagination, me

644
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: love and.

645
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: So like weirds recently.

646
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's very his stuff is is very weird,

647
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: and I think that that was like part of the

648
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: appeal of this is like, even though now it feels

649
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: like it's a it's a part of this kind of

650
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: cliched or over played, like Indi Slee's Machine. Like at

651
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: the time, you know, if you were like, oh, my

652
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: favorite movie is like Eternal Cension of the Spotless Mind,

653
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: you kind of felt cool because you thought you were

654
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: participating in cinema because this is a weird post rising movie.

655
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: You're like, it feels counter cultural, but in fact it

656
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: was just the cultural.

657
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: It was the culture exactly exactly.

658
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: If this service that exists in this movie existed, iro,

659
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: would you use it?

660
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, short answer, no, But I actually have a

661
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: really funny story about that. Sometime last year, I don't

662
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: remember why, but I was kind of like thinking about

663
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: Eternal Sunshine because it did used to be my favorite movie.

664
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: I was one of the Tumblr kids that said Eternal

665
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: Sunshine is my favorite movie or in my trucks or

666
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: in my top five favorite movies because I love you know,

667
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: top vibes, and I the other day the other year

668
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: last year, I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, yeah,

669
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: that movie.

670
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

671
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: And I haven't actually revisited the movie in adulthood. I

672
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: kind of wish I was able to watch it before

673
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: the record, but if I do, well kind of hang

674
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 2: back to you. But I was like googling, like does

675
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: the memory erasing technology of Eternal Sunshine like exist? Like

676
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: that seems like something that in a dystopian age of

677
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: science in the twenty twenties, like that people would have

678
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: someone would have developed by now, like some sort of

679
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: mad scientist. And I, you know, read this like article

680
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: about how you know, no people are developing a kind

681
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: of technology like that. But right now, the closest thing

682
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: people get is like taking certain medications to help them

683
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: stave off like memories or intrusive thoughts related to their

684
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: trauma or traumatic experiences in the past. And I look

685
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: at the drug at the at the drug that they

686
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: were referring to you, and.

687
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: I was on it.

688
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: What do you mean?

689
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: I was on propinolaw, which is this the drug that

690
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: they were referring to. And I was like, oh my god,

691
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: here I am like googling if I can erase my

692
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: brain and I actually already figured out a way to

693
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: kind of do.

694
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: That a little bit.

695
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 3: I love that it was lovely.

696
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: What about you? Would you? Would you press no?

697
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: I will know I want to. I want to turn

698
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: this back on you because I don't believe you're I

699
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: don't believe you're no answer. So I'm going to force you.

700
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: If you if I held a gun to your head

701
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: and said you have to erase, okay, something like okay,

702
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: an ex, lover, a job, an experience, what would you

703
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: use this technology on?

704
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you should prepare your answer as well. I think

705
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: I'll definitely say if I could erase. This is tough because,

706
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: as you know, the thematic consequence of the film teaches

707
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 2: us the hurtful things in our past actually make us

708
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: who we are, and so to erase such a large

709
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: chunk of your past is to kind of you'll still

710
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: feel this like vacuous hole in your life. And and

711
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: and therefore I mean yeah, I mean kind of yeah,

712
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: but I I yeah, no, You'll the even if you

713
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: were to erase your life right like looking back on

714
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: if you if it didn't exist in your brain anymore,

715
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: the the empty presence of that memory would still be

716
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: something that you're reckoning with. And so I think that's

717
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: I say that because like the thing that I would

718
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: probably erase is like my childhood, like I have and

719
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: I've been doing unfortunately a lot of writing on this

720
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: upcoming book project, and so that's like part of it.

721
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: But I just have so many poignant.

722
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: Memories from grade to around like my sophomore junior year

723
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: of high school that really, I guess damaged my relationship

724
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: to my gender, damaged my relationship to my queerness, and

725
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: kept me away from myself for literally twenty years. And

726
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: I always think about, like, if I didn't have this

727
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: formative memory around, you know, something trans that happened to

728
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: me in first grade, if I didn't have this like

729
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: really hurtful thing that happened to me around general conformity

730
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: in my freshman year of college, like would I have

731
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: started would I have like found who I am earlier?

732
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: You know, as opposed to where I am now in

733
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: my murm redacted age shut up, but bleep that phoebe Okay,

734
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: So what about you?

735
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: What would you erase?

736
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, as as we know already, as listeners

737
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: of this podcast know, I famously already remember, you've already

738
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: horrible memory.

739
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: You've already done many street drugs in your early twenties

740
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: to have effectively erased much of it.

741
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Here we are two empty headed girls.

742
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I have a specific ex who I

743
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: think I would use this on, because every six to

744
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: twelve months he will reappear in my life, either through

745
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: like contact or just me seeing him online somewhere, and

746
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: I will just get sucked back in. I'll go and

747
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: read all of our dms to each other, like I'll

748
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: look through my phone at photos of us like that

749
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: I have not deleted and never will. And you know,

750
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: he still has this power over me even when it's

751
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: not him that's like actively seeking me out, although usually

752
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: that is what it is. And if I could just

753
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 3: erase him from my memory, because I do think that

754
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: is the only thing that would take this power that

755
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: he has over me away, as if I did not

756
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: remember being in love with him, obsessed with him. Yeah,

757
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: I would absolutely do that because I don't think he

758
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: brought anything good into my life that I would miss

759
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: in erasing him from me. Yeah.

760
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, now that you're saying that, like I would

761
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: erase my first boyfriend, like absolutely, and you know the

762
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: opposite of you, I actually never hear of this man ever,

763
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: Like he's not on social he does. I don't keep

764
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: up with him, like, I don't have any mutuals with him,

765
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: and I don't have images of him on my phone

766
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: like I because we were in high school, Like this

767
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: year and a half long relationship is just so far

768
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: away from me now. And yet the residue of that

769
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: relationship and the things that I learned in that relationship

770
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: that like were really hard to learn because he was

771
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, for lack of a better way

772
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: of putting it, emotionally abusive. I am now paying for

773
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: that relationship in every future relationship. So I feel like

774
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: every relationship I've almost every relationship I've had in my

775
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: adulthood has these like TIFFs or fights or pain points

776
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: that are a consequence of this really really negative experience

777
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: that I had.

778
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: With my first kind of partner.

779
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: MM hmm, wow. I know. And the thing is, the

780
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: thing is that I still feel like kind of a liar,

781
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: and saying that I would erase him this hypothetical sense

782
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: is an exercise it because because the reality is, I

783
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: have the option to erase all of the parts of

784
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: him that still exist in my life. I could block

785
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: him and delete all these photos and delete his number

786
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: and all this stuff, but I choose not to. And

787
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 3: you know, this movie, because of the time when it

788
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 3: came out, it does kind of pre date the ways

789
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 3: in which relationships, friendships, experiences that were no longer part

790
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: of or able to live on in our lives. Like

791
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 3: we didn't have the same kind of you know, digital

792
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: paper trail that exists now. And I mean that's what

793
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: some of the best sci fi does, is like it.

794
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's speculative fiction and in a way like

795
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 3: what Jim Carrey and Kate Winslett do and like deleting

796
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: each other from their brains, Like we can do a

797
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: version of that with our phones, and we choose not to.

798
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that blocking people is I don't The

799
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: main reason I don't like doing it is if that

800
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: person finds out that they're blocked, then they know that

801
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about them, and so I prefer muting, which

802
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: I do for lots and lots and lots of people,

803
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: not just exes, but people that I don't want to

804
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: see online anymore. People that you know bring up memories

805
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: that I'm just like, I don't want to care. I

806
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: don't care about you, and more, I don't want to

807
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: hear your take on anything. I love to mute, and

808
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: I will say uh to argue against the theory, the thematic

809
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: question of eternal sunshine, like when I have muted someone

810
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: for so long, like if I've had someone on mute

811
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: for years and then all of a sudden their like

812
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: name pops up somewhere and I'm like, oh, I forgot

813
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: that person existed, Like that is so powerful to me, like.

814
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: I forgot I have a got it.

815
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

816
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: Sorry side note, side note. The only song that I no, no, no,

817
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: that's not true, not the only song. I love that

818
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: song and Cruel Summer I know everyone song is ass

819
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: I love it, love love love it. But maybe I

820
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: love that song because the extremely hampested lyrics of it

821
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: speak just to me personally, like I forgetting that someone

822
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: else existed is like my favorite favorite thing. I think

823
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 2: it's like it has this it has this power that

824
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: I really revel in. And I don't know if you

825
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: know this about me, Rose, but revenge is one of

826
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: the primary motivational forces in my lifetime, Like from high school.

827
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: I do know that, Yes, from high school to where

828
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: I am at now. I have a lot of my

829
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: success to think from.

830
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: The bullies and abusers.

831
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: Of my past who told me that I couldn't do

832
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: the things that I want to do, and then I

833
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: went out and did them and proved them wrong and

834
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: was like more successful than they ever were.

835
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: Sorry, and I so ugly.

836
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: It's not ugly, it's honest. But you you still want

837
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 3: to be visible to the people that you are no

838
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: longer engaging with.

839
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: Yes, that you want an eternal sunshine scenario. This is

840
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: a little different.

841
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 3: I do think, like I get where you're coming from.

842
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: On the like the idea that blocking someone telegraphs something

843
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: to them, potentially about some kind of power they still

844
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 3: have over you. I don't necessarily see it that way.

845
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: I see it as like creating the only boundary you

846
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: can create in this modern world and cutting off any

847
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: access they have to you. And in fact it's like

848
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 3: I think it's like a bit more of a of

849
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: a fuck you than that. And I certainly don't. I

850
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: certainly don't see like blocking someone as like giving them

851
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: giving them power. No, yeah, because because like I also

852
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: do sort of like I feel the same way about

853
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: people who I'm like no longer in contact with, but

854
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: like haven't blocked or anything. And and I do like

855
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: the idea of sometimes I'll go and like look at

856
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: my my Instagram or Twitter or something, and I'll try

857
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: to look at it through the eyes of someone else

858
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: and like try to understand like what that's presenting to them,

859
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: Like who is the version of me that they're seeing

860
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: like that? And that's just like a sick consequence of

861
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: social media. I don't I don't block people a lot.

862
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: I wish I did more. And it's more it's more

863
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: because of me. It's more because I still want the

864
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: ability to access the information. I'm still a little bit

865
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: of a not not really a creeper, but you know,

866
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 3: you're a human. I'm a human.

867
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: I will say I wasn't like necessarily prescribing that muting

868
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: versus blocking.

869
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just not just digging into the conversation.

870
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: But like not even to you, like to the virgins,

871
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's like what works for you, And

872
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: like I would not prescribe revenge as a motivational force

873
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: in your life, you know, Like that is like not

874
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 2: something I'm proud of. It just so happens to be

875
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: a fact of me.

876
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Speaker 3: And if it works, it works.

877
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: If it works.

878
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: Look, it has been working at every turn I have.

879
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: I have so many moments in my life that are

880
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: just this crystal clear Taylor Swift backed moment where I'm like, oh,

881
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: not only did I forget that you existed, but like

882
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: I am so happy without you, oh honestly, also very

883
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 2: like Billie Eilish coded with her Happier Than Ever banger,

884
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: which is maybe top three Billie Eilish songs for me.

885
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: So rose.

886
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: I have not seen Garden State since it was shown

887
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: to me as a teen, and I don't even remember yes,

888
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: and I don't even remember the I don't even remember

889
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 2: the plot of the movie.

890
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: It's it's one of my favorite movies. And I know

891
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: that I know that there's something about that that makes

892
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: me like a kind of basic in the way that

893
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 3: we've been talking about. But I like fully don't care

894
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: because I do love it, and it just I watched

895
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: it at a very formative time in my life. And

896
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: I mean the same way that you feel about Eternal Sunshine,

897
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: That's how I feel about Garden State, which is about

898
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: this struggling actor played by Zach Braff who goes home

899
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: when his mother dies and just has this transformative couple

900
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: of days as he meets this woman played by Natalie

901
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: Portman andrina reconnects with his hometown friends and like kind

902
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: of pass it out with his dad. And he's also

903
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 3: coming off of the like mood stabilizing medications he's been

904
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: on his whole life. And I don't know, there was

905
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 3: something about that that I really responded to. I think

906
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 3: like the Judaism was part of it because the main

907
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: character is Jewish. I really liked that, And I don't know,

908
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: I just saw like a lot of my own, like

909
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: family dynamics in that. And I don't know, it's weird

910
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: because it's not like the main character is not someone

911
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: who I necessarily identify with, you know, he's this like

912
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 3: straight guy.

913
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: And whatever happened to Zach Braf, I like never watched Scrubs.

914
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: Well, he dated Florence Pew and then they did.

915
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: That is I had no idea about that.

916
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really want to do a Sofia Coppola episode,

917
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: because you know, I love Sophia and Sofia Coppola ran

918
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: Tumblr like.

919
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: The Navy, and I famously don't really enjoy Sofia Copla

920
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: films outside of Marie Antoinette. But the reason I tend

921
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 2: to not enjoy Sophia Copla films is the reason is

922
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: part of the reason maybe you didn't enjoy Eternal Sunshine

923
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: is this kind of slow, this slowness, this like this

924
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 2: a lot of like dead air, these like muted textures

925
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: and like kind of monotonal dialogue, like a lot of

926
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: style over substance exactly which I look. I love style

927
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: over substance, like I still stand Baz Luhrman. Okay, but

928
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: I know, and that was I think those A lot

929
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: of Sophia Coppolo's movies are very slow to me. I've

930
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: never enjoyed Lost in Translation the Virgins are going to

931
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: come from. I don't really like Lost in Translation either.

932
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 2: Such a relief to hear you say that. I feel

933
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: crazy whenever people talk about it, like it is like,

934
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: you know, the fucking.

935
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: Greatest movie I've not read it.

936
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: It's not one of my favorites, but Virgin Suicides is

937
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: one of my favorite movies and one of my favorite books.

938
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: Marie Antoinette is tied for first place. My favorite movie,

939
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 3: The Beguiled is really amazing.

940
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: Some is directed by Soyvia Gobbla. Yeah I didn't know that.

941
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I do love The Biguild, But that's kind of

942
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: crazy considering that The Biguild is literally Virgin Suicides, but

943
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: with the Hatchet and with Colin Farrell with with Hatchet

944
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 2: and Colin Farrell literally the same almost the same plot.

945
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: But in the what is it right?

946
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm pretty I'm pretty right about this.

947
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm I actually I feel like I am saying this accurately.

948
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 2: They are pretty much the exact same movie.

949
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: No, because in the Virgin Suicides, like they're like malaise

950
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: is like turned in words, and and in The Beguile

951
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 3: that's turned onto an external force, which is Colin Farrell

952
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 3: to each their own.

953
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: Also, the Beguild is like told from.

954
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: The women's point of view, and the Virgin Suicides like

955
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,720
Speaker 3: famously about a bunch of boys who are like spectators

956
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: looking in on the women, right, which is why.

957
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: But that's like kind of it's infuriating that that is

958
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: the lens that Sophia took with the book, because.

959
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: Isn't that's the lens of the book.

960
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: Then I will just say I hate the corrective voice

961
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: of this cultural entity because like, why I don't want

962
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: to hear from the boy's perspective. I guess, like, I guess,

963
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: actually I'm saying this stupid.

964
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: It's kind of the whole point. Yes, it is because

965
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: these girls are these girls are unknowable.

966
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: Yes, and also you have to hear it from an

967
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: outside perspective in order for the allure of their of

968
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: their story to make sense. But I just maybe that

969
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: that's just that's just me being like I don't want

970
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: to hear men talking.

971
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Speaker 3: Slide into our DMS at Like a Virgin four twenty

972
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Speaker 3: sixty nine and let us know what you would erase

973
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 3: from your memory if Eternal Sunshine technology existed. Next week

974
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Speaker 3: we will be back with Gabe Bergado to talk about

975
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: all things Disney Channel, d coms, et cetera.

976
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Speaker 1: Such a good episode.

977
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979
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980
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981
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984
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