Speaker 1: M. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. We're going weekly, guys,
Speaker 1: and I want to explain this very clearly. The bear
Speaker 1: Grease Podcast is a documentary style podcast that we release
Speaker 1: every other week. We are now going to start releasing
Speaker 1: on this same stream on the bear Grease Podcast what
Speaker 1: we call the bear Grease Render. So every other week
Speaker 1: you will hear a conversation between me and my buddies
Speaker 1: where we do just what we said, render down, dive deeper,
Speaker 1: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna be hearing from us weekly from now on.
Speaker 1: It's spend years since I've worked on it. It has
Speaker 1: gotten pretty bad. Do you have a decent outhhood? Years
Speaker 1: ago I started to get it, like, I started to
Speaker 1: get that that that there's a certain characteristic about it.
Speaker 1: But it was in my truck. Okay, I gotta get it, Brent.
Speaker 1: Let's hear your best out man, very nice. Hey, this
Speaker 1: is the bear Grease Render podcast. Okay, this is the
Speaker 1: Beargrease Surrender and the Bargrease Surrender. If this is your
Speaker 1: first time listening to the podcast, the Bargrease Podcast is
Speaker 1: a documentary style podcast where we explore all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 1: all kind of interesting stuff, and have these documentary style podcasts.
Speaker 1: We do that. We release those every other week, so
Speaker 1: by the time this comes out, there's gonna be like
Speaker 1: six Bargrease podcasts out. This is the Beargrease Surrender Boys,
Speaker 1: and the Bargrease Surrender is every other week. So now
Speaker 1: the Bargrease Podcast is weekly because every other week we're
Speaker 1: gonna meet and have like a informal conversation that reflects
Speaker 1: and dissects. Ah, that's good. We're gonna use that reflects
Speaker 1: and dissects the Beargrease documentary style podcasts. Okay, we're bowling
Speaker 1: a cabbage down. That's right, we're bowling the cabbage down,
Speaker 1: chewing the tobacco thin as they say. So before we
Speaker 1: get started it here where we're talking about the what
Speaker 1: the render is, I want to introduce my guests. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we are we are at the the global headquarters
Speaker 1: of Bear Hunting Magazine and Meat Eater South. Okay, like that,
Speaker 1: and uh I have. Really every single one of you
Speaker 1: is like you wouldn't be here if you weren't like
Speaker 1: super important in my life. And most of you, well,
Speaker 1: all of you have been involved in some way in
Speaker 1: either the Bargrease podcast or in one of the guy's cases.
Speaker 1: Not the Barghreas podcast, but my former Barony Magazine podcast.
Speaker 1: I won't mention his name to my direct left to
Speaker 1: my to my left is my dear friend Brent Reeves,
Speaker 1: who could uh, Brent Reeves could teach a doctoral level class.
Speaker 1: I'm reading this, okay, Brent Reeves could teach class us.
Speaker 1: He wrote this, This is Brent spio. No, this is
Speaker 1: my bio. And Brent Brent Reeves could teach a doctoral
Speaker 1: level class on folksy Southern Saints. And ironically he has
Speaker 1: also seen two Arkansas Mountain Lions. Brent was also filming
Speaker 1: when in sixteen the big color phase of Baring, Saskatchewan
Speaker 1: that's hanging on the wall right over there, touched my
Speaker 1: arrow and sent. You know, Brent was the one like
Speaker 1: sitting right behind me. So Brent, good to have you here,
Speaker 1: good to be here. Man. To Brent's left is Dr
Speaker 1: Daniel Rupe, who, now that makes two times I've called
Speaker 1: you doctor in your life, and that'll be the last
Speaker 1: time I'm gonna do it one time. So Dan was
Speaker 1: on the acron podcast. Okay, Dan is man. Dan's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna get into really what he does,
Speaker 1: like neither with Brent. This is just when I thank
Speaker 1: you guys. This is what I think of. Dan has
Speaker 1: never combed his hair and has a aired like a viking,
Speaker 1: and ironically he himself as well, has seen in Arkansas
Speaker 1: Mountain Lion. I've seen it, which we want to get
Speaker 1: to later. All Right, I'm gonna call that particular podcast
Speaker 1: not a I'm gonna call it a docu drama, stirring
Speaker 1: up controversy. Me, you and Gary gonna get jackets made
Speaker 1: believers Jack. Okay, And interesting fact about Dan that you
Speaker 1: guys may not have known. Dan Rupe was the first
Speaker 1: guest on the Bare Hunting Magazine podcast. Did you know that?
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that I was there? You were
Speaker 1: actually you didn't know we were recording that in British Columbia, Me,
Speaker 1: you and Devin Jewel. That was the first one. Dan,
Speaker 1: It was a turning point in my life. Yeah, consciously apparently. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's Dan Rupe. To his left is Dr Malacott Nichols.
Speaker 1: Now I call this guy doctor or sometimes because he
Speaker 1: just has the look. He didn't get his off the internet. Okay, now,
Speaker 1: Dr Maliki Nichols here his credentials. He was on the
Speaker 1: Burgar's podcast episode number two, the Thing about al Hooters.
Speaker 1: He was the guy that I interviewed about the social
Speaker 1: science question of correlations and how they can be connected
Speaker 1: or not. But Dan, Dr Malachi Nichols is a current
Speaker 1: Arkansas license holder hunting license holder. He has a yeah,
Speaker 1: show us you're hunting license and alikai there it is.
Speaker 1: He's pulling it out of his wallet just to prove it.
Speaker 1: Dr Maliki Nichols is a one time He's got He's
Speaker 1: also got an Arkansas concealed care licenses. He's got a
Speaker 1: hard card and the ducks down. Okay. Dr Maliki Nichols
Speaker 1: is also a one time coon hunter. One time. That's
Speaker 1: the only how you've ever been on. They've never got
Speaker 1: an invitation back. No, but here here's what I think
Speaker 1: of when I think of Maliki. He is the only
Speaker 1: person that has given me the stiff arm on a
Speaker 1: legit outdoor related partnership venture requests. I mean, I mean, Okay,
Speaker 1: Malachi and I we've talked about this before publicly and
Speaker 1: we've worked it out together privately, So there's no this
Speaker 1: is not like an offense that I need to like
Speaker 1: go to my brothers about. No. No, No No, we've already
Speaker 1: done it. But it's just like there's just things that
Speaker 1: you remember about people that you never forget. No. Me
Speaker 1: and Malachi we've fried fish a couple of times together
Speaker 1: for our wives and families, and we just had a
Speaker 1: great time. I was like, man, Malachi loves to fry fish.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we talked about fishing a little bit here
Speaker 1: and there, and then I was like, likes to fry fish,
Speaker 1: likes to fish. He's my friend. How about we going
Speaker 1: partners on a boat? Malachi? Is my question? Hard? No,
Speaker 1: I mean just like he went from like twenty five
Speaker 1: miles per hour to like seventy interstate real quick. He Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, I want to get fishing poles first,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to take small steps. Do you
Speaker 1: want to keep it at his house for your convenience?
Speaker 1: So okay, you're not the first one. And then so
Speaker 1: to his left is Josh Spillmaker Sands, doctor Sands, doctor Spillmaker. Okay,
Speaker 1: true story. I bet none of you know this true story.
Speaker 1: Ten years ago, Josh Spillmakers mustache inspired me to read
Speaker 1: a book on the Baring land Bridge. This is not
Speaker 1: a joke. Ten years ago, Josh Spillmakers mustache inspired me
Speaker 1: to read a book on the Bearing land Bridge, which
Speaker 1: got me interested in early human history and anthropology. And
Speaker 1: he is a legendary adult onset fly fisherman. No, let
Speaker 1: me tell you the story. One day, me and Josh
Speaker 1: were standing there and I mean, you gotta admit, the
Speaker 1: guy's got a great beard. But the mustache, the way
Speaker 1: that it was like it was connecting to continents, that's
Speaker 1: what That's what it felt like. I said, Josh, you
Speaker 1: got an awesome mustache. And I was like, that reminds
Speaker 1: me of the Burying land Bridge. That night, I went
Speaker 1: home on Amazon and ordered a book that's right up there,
Speaker 1: um and it was all about the Burying land. I
Speaker 1: read the book, was fascinated, and I think about all
Speaker 1: the time, and now I've got to I've tried to
Speaker 1: emulate your mustache. So you're welcome, America. You're welcome. Okay.
Speaker 1: That's Josh and then our guest of honor. He's got
Speaker 1: the chair, My father, Gary Nukem Man. So, Dad, you've
Speaker 1: been on by the time this comes out, you've been
Speaker 1: you will have been on the Barriers podcast a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Okay, So this is the way. This is
Speaker 1: what I think of when I think of Gary Nuclem.
Speaker 1: Once while in Vietnam. This is a this war story,
Speaker 1: true story. Once while in Vietnam, he reported to his
Speaker 1: commanding officer wearing only a bath towel after he was
Speaker 1: summoned to report to the officer while he was in
Speaker 1: the shower. Okay, that's part one. We're gonna need a
Speaker 1: little bit of explanation. Number two. Gary Nucom is single
Speaker 1: handedly credited with keeping the myth of the Black Panther
Speaker 1: alive in North Arolicia. That give us just a short
Speaker 1: version of the when you report it to your officer
Speaker 1: and your bath Now, well it's you know Vietnam, you're
Speaker 1: always looking for something to keep your saying it. This
Speaker 1: little clerk me in and he was like, this is serious.
Speaker 1: You gotta go see the captive. So I just walked
Speaker 1: out neckd with my towel over. He didn't even started
Speaker 1: hitting towards his office. Of course, by the time I
Speaker 1: got there, I covered myself up. But anyway, what you
Speaker 1: were trying to say was bro let me at least
Speaker 1: get out of the shower. Is it that important? That
Speaker 1: was kind of that was kind of like the it
Speaker 1: had to be so important, it didn't matter I was
Speaker 1: going so anyway, it was kind of funny. Great, great, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: now that we've done proper introductions, let's get down to
Speaker 1: business here boys. Um So, the Bargrease Render is the
Speaker 1: short version of the Bargeras podcast where we talked about it. Man,
Speaker 1: I've had the time of my life building the When
Speaker 1: this comes out, there will be six Burgeras podcasts out,
Speaker 1: and the podcast is formatted in such a way that
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard for me to like, I when
Speaker 1: I get done making one of these, I want to
Speaker 1: call one of you guys and talk about it, like
Speaker 1: and there. There's so much more that can be said
Speaker 1: because we're trying to make it an efficient listen and
Speaker 1: so you know, it's fairly scripted, you know, scripted in
Speaker 1: the sense that everything is thought out, but it's also
Speaker 1: you know, there are sections of of informal interviews but
Speaker 1: for instance, you you will hear interviews on the Burgaries
Speaker 1: podcast with experts with whoever, like Dan Rupe Uh that
Speaker 1: we talked for probably an hour Dan and I whittled
Speaker 1: it down to like seventeen minutes easy. A lot of
Speaker 1: fluff in it, but so like this is gonna give
Speaker 1: kind of me an outlet to like say some other stuff,
Speaker 1: to make corrections. There's a couple of corrections. Man, when
Speaker 1: you're spouting off this much information, boys, you know sometimes
Speaker 1: you get it wrong. Tall tales, tall tales. Um. But
Speaker 1: it also is you guys a chance to like talk
Speaker 1: to me about any perceptions that you have, anything I
Speaker 1: could have done better, um. And so I know all
Speaker 1: you guys have something to say. We're at a little
Speaker 1: bit of a disadvantage on the first Bargera Surrender because
Speaker 1: we've already had six podcasts come out, okay, and so
Speaker 1: as we get on the weekly schedule, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like one podcast that's gonna come out, and so it
Speaker 1: will be a little bit more focused. But so so
Speaker 1: on this one, we're just gonna kind of hit and
Speaker 1: miss over the different six podcasts that have come out.
Speaker 1: But what I haven't had a chance to do on
Speaker 1: the Bargrease podcast is talk about the name beargrease. Do
Speaker 1: do y' all know why it's bargrease? Do y'all understand
Speaker 1: the metaphor? Is the marketing strong enough that you understand
Speaker 1: the metaphor? This is an open question. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about of a podcast you don't understand? Good? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you don't understand, No, listen. Beargrease is literally, I'm
Speaker 1: holding a jar in my hand right now, is literally
Speaker 1: the rendered fat of a black bear. Okay, I put
Speaker 1: on your deep philosophical thinking caps. Okay. At one time,
Speaker 1: bear grease was a medium of currency, and it was
Speaker 1: a staple of life on the on the American frontier.
Speaker 1: Beargrease stayed stayed good longer than pork lard. So like
Speaker 1: if you were if you homesteaded in Arkansas or Tennessee
Speaker 1: or Kentucky or wherever, you would render down this fat
Speaker 1: and it would be extremely valuable to you. It was
Speaker 1: a form of currency. Did you know that an eel
Speaker 1: of bargrease, that is an archaic unit of measure for
Speaker 1: a beargrease was the tanned neck hide of a deer
Speaker 1: sewn together. Beargrease poured into it and then it was
Speaker 1: sealed up, and an eel of grease was like a
Speaker 1: unit of currency. It is just perchance, boys, that we
Speaker 1: the US dollar isn't nickname an eel, okay, like it,
Speaker 1: but it's nicknamed a buck because a buck skin was
Speaker 1: worth about one U. S. Dollar. Actually I'm making that up.
Speaker 1: That bare eel was almost almost the same thing. So okay,
Speaker 1: philosophical thinking caps This at one time was highly important
Speaker 1: and everyone would have known about it. And this has
Speaker 1: been like normal, like you'd have had it in your house,
Speaker 1: you'd had it in your house, you'd had any more.
Speaker 1: About Old Trough, Arkansas, Well, that's that is a that
Speaker 1: is a city artifact of what I'm talking about, because
Speaker 1: it was a city in northern Arkansas that had a
Speaker 1: processing plant for bar oil and they ship that bar
Speaker 1: oil down the white That's right. Yeah, you know, the
Speaker 1: first time I du rectly met you was through a
Speaker 1: jar bear grouse. Your daughter came into my class. I
Speaker 1: was teaching teaching school and your daughter came into my class.
Speaker 1: She had a she had a ten fox hide on
Speaker 1: her left shoulder. This is this story, true story. Ten
Speaker 1: fox hide on her left shoulder and a jar bear grease,
Speaker 1: and she just walked into my classroom like nothing's happening.
Speaker 1: It was just a regular was Tuesday. She walked in,
Speaker 1: you know, with this with this fox hide in this
Speaker 1: jar bear grouse and she said, my dad sent this
Speaker 1: with me. I'm gonna put it on the window, supposed
Speaker 1: to tell us what the weather is gonna be like.
Speaker 1: So I want to know if it's gonna rain before
Speaker 1: we go outside. And she sat down and it's like,
Speaker 1: I have been in Arkansas like a year, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: like where am I at right now? And that is
Speaker 1: the first time I indirectly met Clay nucle I've never
Speaker 1: met him before and met him through his daughter with
Speaker 1: a jar bearer Jar Bargers. That's awesome. So I had
Speaker 1: forgotten about that, and that's why this jar is where
Speaker 1: it is. This is my this is my weather forecasting
Speaker 1: jar Burgers. You see this chart right here. I'll send
Speaker 1: you boys home with one of these one day. This
Speaker 1: is a chart. This is a chart made by by
Speaker 1: Gordon Websat out in New Mexico that I you can
Speaker 1: read the weather. It's man that bargaries changes all the time.
Speaker 1: It really does, every single day. It looks different um okay.
Speaker 1: So now we've all come together to this point of
Speaker 1: that Burgaries was like this valuable thing, and then now
Speaker 1: it's not. It's erased from people's memory. I mean like erased,
Speaker 1: like you go and like pull the three thirty million
Speaker 1: people in the United States, I mean like point oh
Speaker 1: oh oh one percent would like kind of know what
Speaker 1: it was. The Beargrease podcast is we are exploring things
Speaker 1: that are forgotten but relevant, searching for insight in unlikely places,
Speaker 1: like telling the weather off of jar burgheris you know
Speaker 1: where that came from? Alachi was the Native Americans Channel seven?
Speaker 1: Then is that where you get your weather? No, Native
Speaker 1: Americans in the southwestern US. They would take the dried
Speaker 1: and scraped bladder of a deer pour bearg grease in it,
Speaker 1: and when it dried it became almost translucent and you
Speaker 1: could see through it like a glass jar, and they
Speaker 1: forecasted the weather based upon the bear grease in that jar.
Speaker 1: Thanks forgotten but relative insight and unlikely places. And our
Speaker 1: tagline is we're going to tell the story of Americans
Speaker 1: who lived their lives close to the land. And so
Speaker 1: bear grease is a metaphor something that's forgotten and man,
Speaker 1: bear grease. We use it for all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1: We use it for frying, We use it for pastries,
Speaker 1: We use it for oil and conditioning leather. We use
Speaker 1: it for rubbing down gun barrels. Um. We use it
Speaker 1: for forecasting the weather. You see this bar of soap
Speaker 1: right here. You can go to the meteor dot com
Speaker 1: and see me and Colby Moorehead making this bar of
Speaker 1: soap out of bear fat. It's animal tallow, lie fat soap.
Speaker 1: Incredible stuff. If I had more of it, I'd give
Speaker 1: you all some, but I don't, and I gotta stay
Speaker 1: clean somehow. But that I'm telling you that that lie
Speaker 1: soap is incredible. Is it in your shower? You bet
Speaker 1: you it is. I've actually got something. Yeah, I'd like
Speaker 1: to have some and not like to have something for
Speaker 1: my time. You want to bring something, Man, we're not
Speaker 1: getting paid. This is actually a multi level marketing. Well
Speaker 1: we're soap so guys, That's why I brought you here.
Speaker 1: You can get on he can get it on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually have some of it in my shower. Colby
Speaker 1: give me. Oh yeah, it's great. It's great. So it's great,
Speaker 1: so good for your skin, good so so you see
Speaker 1: the metaphor so like we're we're like basically that gives
Speaker 1: us this broad window to explore all these different things,
Speaker 1: and for instance, the inside like inside the Mountain Lion
Speaker 1: podcast like that was like a like the first podcast
Speaker 1: was called The Myth of the Southern Mountain Lion, which
Speaker 1: was a really fun podcast where I interviewed people A
Speaker 1: few people that have seen mountain lions claim to have anyway, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And and I interviewed a biologist and they interviewed a
Speaker 1: psychologist about how people cognitive bias, like if you're it's
Speaker 1: a wonder I've not seen a mountain lion because my
Speaker 1: dad believes in black panthers? Do you see what the
Speaker 1: cognitive bias means? If your dad told you there was
Speaker 1: something there, even if there was a chance to defend yourself, dad,
Speaker 1: do you believe in oxygen? I do? Oh? Can you
Speaker 1: see it? No, I saw a mountain lion, Garrett, you
Speaker 1: see I saw a black panther pants. Did you question
Speaker 1: after you listen to that podcast? Did you question yourself?
Speaker 1: I questioned my friends, a circle of friends and the
Speaker 1: people that I called your relationships, the dynamic of that relationship,
Speaker 1: I thought who was a psychologist. What's he going to cognitive?
Speaker 1: What was cognitive? And the problem the problem is that
Speaker 1: no one ever told me there wasn't mountain lions in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and no one ever told me there was, And so
Speaker 1: you're saying you're totally unbiased and the one you saw
Speaker 1: it was just like for real, yes, are you convinced
Speaker 1: you saw it hundred percent? What was it behind bars
Speaker 1: or on a chain or outside of a restaurants wearing
Speaker 1: a pink tutu? No, I told you in the podcast
Speaker 1: there It wasn't like I was by myself and my
Speaker 1: wife was with me. Well there you go, Hey, you
Speaker 1: don't have to defend yourself. I'm just kidding. The the
Speaker 1: point is, well I don't believe you, but but um,
Speaker 1: the insight though, Like so I'm trying to describe like
Speaker 1: the Burgers podcast, because somebody could be listening to this
Speaker 1: and never even heard the Burgers play. The insight came
Speaker 1: inside of like we explored this thing, Like there's this
Speaker 1: artifact and I like that word of from when lions
Speaker 1: were actually here because indisputably, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that claim that ce mountain lions that didn't And
Speaker 1: I absolutely a d percent believe every one of you.
Speaker 1: I said it on the podcast too, I said, I
Speaker 1: punched somebody in the teeth if they didn't believe you,
Speaker 1: didn't anything, but bands went on there. But the insight
Speaker 1: came in just looking at how we want to believe
Speaker 1: our brother Like do you remember at the end, like
Speaker 1: I came to the conclusion like and I didn't fabricate that,
Speaker 1: like after I talked to all these people, like it
Speaker 1: was like the redeeming factor of it all was that,
Speaker 1: like the way we survived, and it's natural for me,
Speaker 1: I trust Brent Reeves if he tells me sees a
Speaker 1: mountain line, then by GOLLI he saw a mountain line.
Speaker 1: And I'm just giving you guys a hard time. So
Speaker 1: basically what you're saying is that you can love your
Speaker 1: friends even when they're delusions. Okay. The deeper thought is
Speaker 1: is that what has made human successful in the earth
Speaker 1: is that we want to trust our brother are we
Speaker 1: It's like a mechanism like because if I can't, it's
Speaker 1: just it's a mechanism of trust, like I want to
Speaker 1: believe you, and and then I think that has produced
Speaker 1: a lot of false mountain Lion you know, sightings from
Speaker 1: people who maybe had some you know, thought they saw vaccinated,
Speaker 1: like being vaccinated against line. Very good. Yeah, now, Dad, okay,
Speaker 1: I've I've credited you with keeping the myth of the
Speaker 1: black panther alive. How do you feel about that? I
Speaker 1: think it's wonderful. I mean, it's nice that you put
Speaker 1: up the truth. I mean, it's it's against science. But
Speaker 1: I mean, who are you gonna trust you because you
Speaker 1: saw one? Well, I mean, I don't think that's any
Speaker 1: of your ba You know, when I go down to
Speaker 1: Aunt Olie's, she lives in a dog trot house with
Speaker 1: trees over the road, and at night we're we're awakened
Speaker 1: by a screaming black panther. I mean, who are you
Speaker 1: gonna trust? And Ali tell us what a dog trot
Speaker 1: house is. It's got a porch right down the middle,
Speaker 1: one side of your kitchen, living room, one side of
Speaker 1: your bedroom, big trees out. I mean, it was an
Speaker 1: amazing place. It's an architectural style that they used to
Speaker 1: use before air conditioning. Yeah, so you would cook on
Speaker 1: one side and then you would sleep on one side.
Speaker 1: And the little community was almost as neat as the house.
Speaker 1: It was Buck snort, Yeah, yeah, Buck snort, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of panthers. There a panther country, panther country. Hey
Speaker 1: listen though, no, I on like they're a legitimate mountain line.
Speaker 1: I mean the biologists even confirmed it. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: if you listen to the whole even talking about I'm
Speaker 1: just giving you a hard time. The man confirmed it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are mountains here. Now black panthers. Now, that is
Speaker 1: where I draw the hard line. And neither of these
Speaker 1: guys have claimed have seen a black panther. Dad's just
Speaker 1: just heard him and you just could tell by the
Speaker 1: sound that it was black. Absolutely so. The but you
Speaker 1: would be shocked shocked at the number of grown men who,
Speaker 1: after listening to that whole podcast and listening to Myron
Speaker 1: means saying science, from the position of science, there has
Speaker 1: never been documented a melanistic mountain lion ever by science.
Speaker 1: Did you get some documentation in the mail? In the email,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe the grown men that messaged me, some
Speaker 1: of them friends of mine, and they're like Clay, I
Speaker 1: listened to podcast. It was awesome. I believe every word
Speaker 1: of it. I've seen a black panther though, I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's like rocks people's boats. Man, I mean like
Speaker 1: I think like splits families. Like this idea of black
Speaker 1: panther iron means got off of that interview. Was he like,
Speaker 1: there's really black panthers. It was like they reached over,
Speaker 1: turned the taper quarter off of it was like I
Speaker 1: killed one last year. No no I. I had two
Speaker 1: different people claimed that their father's well. One of them
Speaker 1: claimed that their father had shot at a black panther.
Speaker 1: One of them claimed that their father killed a black panther,
Speaker 1: killed it with a bow. This I'm telling you, this
Speaker 1: guy's like I've know this guy, and I'm like, send
Speaker 1: me a picture, and if he's listening out, I hope
Speaker 1: he'll send me a picture. I want to believe you.
Speaker 1: I want to believe him. Um. I had a guy
Speaker 1: uh called bring up a good point that there is
Speaker 1: a there is a cat like critter down in South
Speaker 1: Texas called a jagger undi, which is a cat like
Speaker 1: critter that lives in deep South Texas and they can
Speaker 1: be melanistic. Okay, So there's so like, could a jagger
Speaker 1: undi walk nine miles to Arkansas or four five montes? Possibly?
Speaker 1: I had another guy say that he thinks black panther
Speaker 1: sidings are big otters, river otters, because a river otter
Speaker 1: is black and you don't see him very much. And
Speaker 1: if and they have big long tails, what do you
Speaker 1: think of that? JAGGARUNDI there, all the guys are like
Speaker 1: looking at their phones. Yeah, absolutely, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that at dark, Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: see that if it's especially dark dusk, just like charcoal,
Speaker 1: it looks like a mountain lion with a housecat's head. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that until you just said it.
Speaker 1: See if that's what Gary heard? Does that look like
Speaker 1: what you heard? That's not black? Well, but see the
Speaker 1: sides panther. But so that could have been melanistic, Got you,
Speaker 1: got you, got you so um. But you know, the
Speaker 1: whole point of it was is that jaguars and leopards
Speaker 1: can't have been documented as melanistic. The American mountain lion
Speaker 1: has never been documented as melanistic, and so to see
Speaker 1: a black panther would just be like, well they're not here,
Speaker 1: so anyway, super fun. And guess what, I am the
Speaker 1: biggest proponent of black panther in North America. When those
Speaker 1: guys sent me that stuff. I'm like, heck, yeah, brother,
Speaker 1: keep it, keep this thing alive. Yeah, keep it alive.
Speaker 1: Long Live the Black Panther. I love it. Any further
Speaker 1: comments on episode number one that was I can tell
Speaker 1: you from a from like a creative standpoint, just kind
Speaker 1: of like behind the scenes of that podcast. That was
Speaker 1: the first party I built that podcast, like in January
Speaker 1: or something. You know, it just came out like in April,
Speaker 1: and I had all these interviews and had no idea
Speaker 1: if they how they would stitch together to tell a story.
Speaker 1: And when Phil Taylor and Mediate did it all put
Speaker 1: it all together, and I had edited all the little
Speaker 1: sections and put it together. Man, I was so excited
Speaker 1: when I heard it. I was just driving down the
Speaker 1: road and just listen to it, and I was like, Yes,
Speaker 1: that is what I want to do with burglaries, you know,
Speaker 1: like tell these interesting stories about rural culture and they're
Speaker 1: not always gonna be about hunting. Like that pod didn't
Speaker 1: have anything at all. I mean it was good because
Speaker 1: it you know, it gave it gave a lot of
Speaker 1: depth to everything. It wasn't just I saw this when
Speaker 1: I was nine. Team. There was a whole lot of
Speaker 1: a build up in basis to all of the all
Speaker 1: the claims you know, and I witness reports, and then
Speaker 1: you know, somebody to set back an unbiased view and
Speaker 1: look at all of it and say, you know, you
Speaker 1: may have seen something, but the possibilities of it being
Speaker 1: you know, this particular color or that particular animal, you know,
Speaker 1: it's you know, while not impossible, you know, highly improbable.
Speaker 1: Did you just give you know, food for thought? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And if by unbiased you mean Myron's section, I can
Speaker 1: support it was far from Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I really liked about it was, um, it kind
Speaker 1: of made me And this is probably one of thost
Speaker 1: naive things I'll say, but it just seems like when
Speaker 1: when we weren't so detached from the land and from
Speaker 1: wild places, that it might have been easier to trust
Speaker 1: one another. When you talk about trusting your brother and
Speaker 1: trusting your fellow man. When when the biggest you know,
Speaker 1: argument or polarizing you know, one of them is are
Speaker 1: there black panthers or not? Or are there mountain? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, whereas there's so many things today in our
Speaker 1: current age that just it just seems like it inhibits
Speaker 1: that so much more that was thirty years ago, man,
Speaker 1: almost And you know, I've never had an outlet to
Speaker 1: even you know, tell that story where in any setting.
Speaker 1: That was when you saw your Mountain Lions thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: almost thirty years and your old friend Clay was the
Speaker 1: only one who cared. He on the one that listened,
Speaker 1: and then he tried to sell you some so hey,
Speaker 1: so right here on that you got. This is a surprise.
Speaker 1: You don't know what this is. That's a number three
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast was a shed horned buck
Speaker 1: of nineteen dear dear friend James Lawrence. This is this
Speaker 1: is the butck. This is okay. I refused to allow
Speaker 1: him to give them to me. Man. I was at
Speaker 1: James's house and this is before he had even heard
Speaker 1: the podcast, and he just said take those home with you.
Speaker 1: And he also allowed me turn around and look up here.
Speaker 1: So on the on the ceiling of my office, there's
Speaker 1: a picture of my dad, Gary Nucom with his first buck.
Speaker 1: There's a picture of Steve Schultz, who's my father in law.
Speaker 1: And there's a picture of James Lawrence back in the
Speaker 1: mountains of Arkansas with a buck. And that buck that's
Speaker 1: hanging on the wall is a buck that James Lawrence
Speaker 1: killed on one of his big soul Low hunts back
Speaker 1: in the seventies. Now, he killed that one in the sixties.
Speaker 1: He was like twenty one years old when he killed it.
Speaker 1: Those three guys are my heroes. That's why they're there.
Speaker 1: And those there's like sixteen by twenty frame pictures, And
Speaker 1: what's so cool is they were all about the same
Speaker 1: age in that picture. So, Dad, how old were you.
Speaker 1: That's Dad's first buck. Oh, twenty six, twenty seven or
Speaker 1: something like that, So you were you were older than
Speaker 1: that when it was nineteen seventy eight. I'm just glad
Speaker 1: you're thirty years old. Yeah, I'm glad he's wearing clothes.
Speaker 1: Well no, maybe, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't like most of
Speaker 1: these listeners. I didn't start hunting until real late in
Speaker 1: life because my dad was so much like Clay. You
Speaker 1: didn't want to hang around him and he'd kill you hunting.
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd go with him and it's like, come on, Dad,
Speaker 1: it's time to go home, and we're just getting started.
Speaker 1: I quit. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, So Dad started bo
Speaker 1: hunting when he was in his late twenties. But you
Speaker 1: grew up bird hunting and stuff with your dad. He
Speaker 1: kind of burned you out. Yeah, I had to lay
Speaker 1: rules down when I got a little older that hey,
Speaker 1: we're only going for four hours. So there's dad's picture.
Speaker 1: And then Steve Schultz, my father in law. He was
Speaker 1: a falconer and that picture was taking the late seventies
Speaker 1: in Florida, and uh, he's Steve's had an incredible influence
Speaker 1: on my life. And then James, who in his own
Speaker 1: unique way has had a significant impact on was like,
Speaker 1: but this this is the shed horn buck that he picked.
Speaker 1: He picked up these sheds, those actual sheds are from
Speaker 1: the sixties. Man, let's look great. He picked up these
Speaker 1: sheds in in the early nineteen sixties. And actually he
Speaker 1: told me that he made a set of rattling horns
Speaker 1: at a one pair because he's got three sets of sheds,
Speaker 1: but he can only find two. And this is actually
Speaker 1: two different years sheds. I'm holding a left handler and
Speaker 1: a right handler. So this was the buck the year before.
Speaker 1: If you really dissected and held it, you could see
Speaker 1: a difference in mass, in time length. This was the
Speaker 1: buck at his prime. Okay, this is a left antler,
Speaker 1: a five point side. People can go to my Instagram
Speaker 1: and see a picture of James and me with these deer. Okay,
Speaker 1: I scored this buck this side as a shed ten
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and I just remembered that it scored
Speaker 1: around a hundred seventy. And that's what I said on
Speaker 1: the podcast. I kind of got to not doubting myself,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, man, I wondered that thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just kind of like to re score
Speaker 1: that thing just to make sure you know I'm I'm
Speaker 1: interested in the facts. Boys. Yeah, I scored this right
Speaker 1: before you guys came, and that shed has eighty inches
Speaker 1: of antler on it, which eighty inches would be eighty
Speaker 1: times two, which would be one sixty plus the spread,
Speaker 1: So this would have been a mid one seventies white tips.
Speaker 1: It's deceptive though. It's got a twenty two inch main beam,
Speaker 1: eleven inches, ten and a half, seven and a half,
Speaker 1: five and a half plus two kickers plus you know,
Speaker 1: four inch mass all the way out ends up being
Speaker 1: eighty inches. So like, but this is that's the horn.
Speaker 1: Here's to a to a non hunter, this is like
Speaker 1: a prized if you were to kill this this buck,
Speaker 1: this will be up None of us in this room
Speaker 1: have ever killed a deer that big, much less how
Speaker 1: many years ago in Arkansas? I mean, that's the that's
Speaker 1: one of the big things that is the ecosystem in
Speaker 1: Arkansas that many decades ago. This was that set of
Speaker 1: antlers might as well have been grown out right in
Speaker 1: the middle of his hand, like a white tailed unicorn.
Speaker 1: And after sixty years a hunting, they called you the unicorn.
Speaker 1: N Is that what this is about? You wanted to
Speaker 1: talk about my high school day? Is? Yeah? This is
Speaker 1: you now? Yeah, so Malicho would be like just a
Speaker 1: really nice white tail deer and uh, now, what what
Speaker 1: do you guys think of? That podcast? Was great? I
Speaker 1: listened to it again yesterday. You know what I I thought,
Speaker 1: How wonderful was it for him to have that story
Speaker 1: and that, you know, talk about I mean, say, with
Speaker 1: the are there panthers or not? You want to be trusted,
Speaker 1: You want to trust your fellow man. Basically none of
Speaker 1: his family trusted him, you know. But then for you
Speaker 1: to do that podcast and have all these conversations with them,
Speaker 1: I mean that had to really I had to be
Speaker 1: healing for him. It's kind of what I was taken
Speaker 1: away from him. You know what struck me about it
Speaker 1: was that he was not a mainstream hunter. He did
Speaker 1: something different than everybody else. All the hunters that knew
Speaker 1: how to hunt, had all the experience, were out running
Speaker 1: dogs and James is sitting there going, now, I saw
Speaker 1: a deer out here, and I mean he pursued his
Speaker 1: own thing and and in a way if you know,
Speaker 1: I don't hunt bucks like that. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: too boring for me. So I'm not gonna kill deer
Speaker 1: like this unless really heavy to carry out the woods. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. You've been with me when I picked a
Speaker 1: little but anywhere I've had a chance to kill him
Speaker 1: a deer close to that, but it didn't work. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That's a great point. And see, the whole the whole
Speaker 1: point of that podcast to me was that James took
Speaker 1: something that was negative and turned into something positive, going
Speaker 1: back to insight and unlikely places like that would have
Speaker 1: crushed most people and and did Jane. I like, it
Speaker 1: was a little bit tricky for me because James trusts
Speaker 1: me so much. I feel like like he he would
Speaker 1: just tell me whatever I asked him to tell and
Speaker 1: wouldn't question what I was gonna do with that information.
Speaker 1: If you told him you'd seen a mountain lion, he'd believe.
Speaker 1: He would believe me. He's never seen one. James Lawrence
Speaker 1: has never seen a mountain lion. I believed the subject.
Speaker 1: But like, there was some pretty pretty deep stuff there,
Speaker 1: and I was drawing conclusions about like him, like that
Speaker 1: impacted him in a negative way, But he didn't get
Speaker 1: bitter about it. He and I said this before, he
Speaker 1: is the guy that you want with you when you're successful.
Speaker 1: So like he didn't go and oppress people even more
Speaker 1: like he was oppressed. Like he just instinctively was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever let that happen one of my friends.
Speaker 1: And you know one thing too, You take Malachi that's
Speaker 1: not hunted much, and you kill a big buck. He
Speaker 1: didn't even know it. I mean, those guys might have
Speaker 1: come at that a little more honest than what we think.
Speaker 1: It might not have been. I'm kind of jealous of
Speaker 1: James for killing it. It could have been. I just thought, man,
Speaker 1: we're out here for the meat. We're trying to survive,
Speaker 1: you know, forget the horns. I'm worried about my belly.
Speaker 1: You know, I can see that I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So if you've got a group of guys who are
Speaker 1: not hunting for sport and there's a socially accepted way
Speaker 1: to obtain sustenance and he's going against the grain in
Speaker 1: the use and the quickest way possible, that kind of that.
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't feel like at all in the
Speaker 1: podcast though, that his family were like demonized or anything.
Speaker 1: But it makes a little more sense as to why
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why are they so unkind to
Speaker 1: this kid? You know, why does some of the men
Speaker 1: in his life come and be like, man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's where it was a little bit touchy and I
Speaker 1: and I had to be careful and I actually asked
Speaker 1: a few people before I said, do you think that
Speaker 1: would hurt? Do you think? I mean, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to disclose more than but but James is the one
Speaker 1: that said it, you know, I mean, like he just
Speaker 1: told his story and he was kind of he was
Speaker 1: kind of discounted. And that is also pretty normal too.
Speaker 1: I mean, like to kind of discount a kid when
Speaker 1: they're saying something, and I didn't. And James has the
Speaker 1: utmost respect for his family too, And you could tell
Speaker 1: that at the first a podcast when he was talking
Speaker 1: about his grandmother and grandfather, how much you respected them
Speaker 1: and how they never said anything negative about anybody. Man.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's James. But from from if we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Burgaries podcast and kind of forecasting where this
Speaker 1: thing is gonna go. These first six episodes I think
Speaker 1: are all very diverse. You think about it, like we
Speaker 1: explore this like folklore of the myth of the southern
Speaker 1: mountain lion. Every podcast I want to have an expert,
Speaker 1: like a biologist or an academic guy, or just someone
Speaker 1: who's a subject matter expert. And then the ideas also
Speaker 1: that we're interviewing in the field, people that have information
Speaker 1: about the topic, like Brent and Dad's and mountain lions.
Speaker 1: And then here Daniels said, Daniel's like waving his hand,
Speaker 1: He's like, why what on the first now? And and
Speaker 1: and uh, every podcast is gonna have kind of this similar,
Speaker 1: similar structure, but all gonna be very different, like this
Speaker 1: folklore about mountain lion, anabiology lesson, and then the next
Speaker 1: one we're talking about the correlation between being a good
Speaker 1: al hooter and a turkey hunter and talking about Colin
Speaker 1: Turkey's you did good man? Yeah, well you're getting there.
Speaker 1: And and then the third podcast was the shed hornbuck
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two, which was just this guy's story.
Speaker 1: And then the fourth podcast was Death of a Bear Hunter,
Speaker 1: which was fantastic. Man meant okay, that one was a
Speaker 1: historically based podcast about a guy in a book and
Speaker 1: one single story of the book, but we painted the
Speaker 1: context to the whole scene. You listen to that podcast,
Speaker 1: you understand what's going on in the eighteen thirties in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: You understand who gir Stalker was. You understand a little
Speaker 1: bit about Native Americans that he was hunting with, And like,
Speaker 1: what what do y'all think of that one? I got
Speaker 1: a bone to pick with you on that. Okay, hold
Speaker 1: this deer horn while you're doing it. Three years this
Speaker 1: is a weapon. Okay, past the deer horn, if you
Speaker 1: want to talk three years ago. Three years ago, you said, Brant,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen this book? Yeah? That one? I
Speaker 1: never heard of it. He said, you got to read it,
Speaker 1: he said, And this is why I want you to
Speaker 1: read it. This is three years ago, he said, I
Speaker 1: want you to read this book. And when you get done,
Speaker 1: you and I are going to do a podcast on this.
Speaker 1: I heard him say it. I was there, so he's
Speaker 1: I buy this book and I read this thing from
Speaker 1: cover to cover. I can speak Germany. And then the
Speaker 1: next thing, I know, when the podcast comes out of like,
Speaker 1: I don't hear myself on there? That does That doesn't
Speaker 1: even sound like. So basically I gave you an assignment
Speaker 1: to do a book report and then there was no
Speaker 1: never got a grade. It was absolutely It was incredible, though, man,
Speaker 1: that that book. I sent that book to my brother
Speaker 1: and both of my nephews. I think I've read it now.
Speaker 1: It's incredible book. Yeah, I passed the horn. Hey, well
Speaker 1: you read it too, Dan, Yeah, you read it years ago.
Speaker 1: When I just told you the story, Well we were
Speaker 1: on a bear hunt together and something had reminded you
Speaker 1: of the story, and you, Clay retold the story and
Speaker 1: the way that I remembered it was you. You got
Speaker 1: to kind of the climax of the story and this
Speaker 1: gentleman gets knocked out, everything goes black, wakes up, his
Speaker 1: hunting buddies dead. I mean, it's just like just this
Speaker 1: amazing story. I went and got the book and read
Speaker 1: it and it was just fantastic. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well that that story has been on my mind for years.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the reason I told it. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna replicate that into other podcasts with historical stories, and
Speaker 1: I've already got some ideas that i cannot share. I'll
Speaker 1: share what you got after this? Yeah, a few books
Speaker 1: you want Brent to read? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Um what
Speaker 1: Josh your thoughts on that one? Well? I love that
Speaker 1: one A couple of times. I loved the I mean
Speaker 1: when you're when you're reading that story, you are transported
Speaker 1: into the what is happening? And gay Stalker does such
Speaker 1: a great job Josh, as German describing, does such a
Speaker 1: great job describing the scene. It's like, who needs Netflix
Speaker 1: when you got that? You know? You know, and you
Speaker 1: mentioned this I think maybe on the podcast, but a
Speaker 1: lot of the places that he talked about in that book,
Speaker 1: I've been, you know. It's it's it's between here and
Speaker 1: where I live in Central Arkansas, up and down the
Speaker 1: Little Red River. Well, you know it's I was serious
Speaker 1: when I said on the podcast, I was offended at
Speaker 1: people that I didn't know that story till I was
Speaker 1: thirty years old. I'm serious. I'll tell you where about.
Speaker 1: It was not in this country. I was in another
Speaker 1: country reading a book in a hotel room, and I
Speaker 1: had no idea that, well, I this this college professor
Speaker 1: had said, Hey, there's some stories about Arkansas bear hunting.
Speaker 1: There's all I said, terrible marketing, Like the first half
Speaker 1: of the book. The guy's not even Arkansas. So I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh, this is cool. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's cool, but like I wanted Arkansas stuff.
Speaker 1: And when I get to that story, I'm I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: I remember where I was sitting when I read that story,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, holy cow, he was eventually coming.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was. Well, no, no, I knew.
Speaker 1: All I knew was that Arkansas bear stories. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that it was just right down the road.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why don't we know that? Why don't
Speaker 1: they teach this in Arkansas public schools? Why? And like
Speaker 1: just it's just and the and the truth is there's
Speaker 1: stuff like that littered all across history. Like wherever the
Speaker 1: people that are listening to this live, stuff happened right
Speaker 1: where they live. Substantial Emory day, this guy hand him
Speaker 1: the horn no in okay, going back to the insight
Speaker 1: like Bear Grease can give you insight beyond what you
Speaker 1: would have thought it would, is that I really have
Speaker 1: had the question of why does that story impact me
Speaker 1: so much? Like why? And and that was my exploration
Speaker 1: inside of that podcast, is why do stories impact this?
Speaker 1: Because that story has no consequence on my life in
Speaker 1: a rational sense, like a guy got killed by bar
Speaker 1: out here with dogs, but that guy's story has shaped
Speaker 1: my family and it's just you know. And then and
Speaker 1: then the conclusion was humans are massively impacted by stories,
Speaker 1: whether you want to or not. And so you got
Speaker 1: a choice of what stories you let impact you. Netflix
Speaker 1: tells stories. That's what Netflix is in the business of
Speaker 1: telling stories, you know, absolutely, and so like and and
Speaker 1: you know, you could say, well, Clay, why are you
Speaker 1: letting a story about a English guy you didn't know
Speaker 1: getting killed by bear you know, like impact your family.
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of aside from the point in that
Speaker 1: it's like we we get that, we get to choose
Speaker 1: what impacts us and how it impacts us, you know.
Speaker 1: And I would like if Gerstalker had just been a
Speaker 1: dirt ball that story, like like if he had just
Speaker 1: been known as like an outlaw and like a scrupulous character,
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have had respect. I respected the guy.
Speaker 1: He did love people, like I said on the podcast
Speaker 1: when he left Conwell's house, like these are people that
Speaker 1: he had just met. He couldn't even speak their same
Speaker 1: language that well, and he cried when he left Conwell's house.
Speaker 1: He said, Conwell had hair as white as snow. And
Speaker 1: he loved his family and he went into you know how,
Speaker 1: he stayed with them and they begged him to stay.
Speaker 1: And it's just like I like it. I like that guy.
Speaker 1: And then and then just his insightfulness and and he
Speaker 1: wasn't like a conservation hero, like I wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: paint Gerstalker as a conservation hero. But he did have
Speaker 1: insight that the market hunting of the times of which
Speaker 1: he participated in was unsustainable. And like so that then
Speaker 1: becomes like a stamp on that story. And like when
Speaker 1: I think of that, I think of, man, will never
Speaker 1: do that again. He was hunting bears in February in
Speaker 1: Den's and it's like, man, that was really cool Wayne
Speaker 1: doing that no more. I mean, there there are stories
Speaker 1: in that book of them crawling into dens crawling in
Speaker 1: caves with Litward. They call him Torches, but pine Kindler's
Speaker 1: pine Kindling split climbing into caves, killing a sal bear
Speaker 1: and then smacking cubs up against the rock to kill him.
Speaker 1: I mean like they were in the business of killing stuff,
Speaker 1: and it's like that did happen. That's not good. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen again. Because it happened, then, do you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. It's like me like talking about
Speaker 1: conservation based bear hunting, where we're highly selective and we're
Speaker 1: trying to target these older mature males. That happened because
Speaker 1: ger Stoker, he didn't know any better, was clubbing you know,
Speaker 1: baby bears over there. I mean for a better term,
Speaker 1: we listen. We have the right as humans to correct
Speaker 1: our paths and learn from our past. It's like James
Speaker 1: Lawrence redemption inside of something that was negative. Well, you
Speaker 1: you recognize that that that is obsolete, and you have
Speaker 1: to be able to recognize the obsolescence of that thing
Speaker 1: and move on and say this this worked for the time,
Speaker 1: it's no longer relevant. Yeah, And we'd still be doing
Speaker 1: that today if we hadn't. Well, we wouldn't because the
Speaker 1: bears will be gone, but and they were for a time.
Speaker 1: They were in Arkansas. Okay, closing comments here, Dan, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw this horn to you and you'll get to speak.
Speaker 1: Just what do you think I'm gonna say? Overall? It's
Speaker 1: the podcast is solidly mediocre. Um no, no, no. I
Speaker 1: think what as I've been listening to them and really
Speaker 1: enjoying them, I think, you know, when you think about
Speaker 1: podcasts and stories, a lot of today's kind of stories
Speaker 1: and podcasts either are really critiquing a part of life
Speaker 1: and usually not a very beneficial way, or it's trying
Speaker 1: to kind of escape life, you know as it is.
Speaker 1: And I feel like what I really like about what
Speaker 1: you're doing is I leave having listened to one of
Speaker 1: your podcasts, and I'm thinking about how I see things
Speaker 1: and how I relate with people and choices that I make,
Speaker 1: and to me, it helps me feel more connected. It's
Speaker 1: your insight. You know, you're gonning, You're gonna inside from
Speaker 1: unlikely places, and I feel like that is what I
Speaker 1: walk away with. Yeah, I like it. I think about
Speaker 1: where this all started with me and you, and we
Speaker 1: were in Oklahoma on a bear bait and I was
Speaker 1: running the camera and we've been sitting there for that
Speaker 1: one day for a week. It seemed like and hadn't
Speaker 1: seen a bear. And you turned away from me and
Speaker 1: I was looking off back to the left. I was
Speaker 1: sitting on the to the left of clay, and when
Speaker 1: I turned back around, you had taken mud and I
Speaker 1: assumed water and covered your face and mud, and I thought,
Speaker 1: how did I get here? I've carried forty pounds of
Speaker 1: camera equipment on the side of this mountain in the
Speaker 1: Washington Mountains, and this guy has just put mud all
Speaker 1: little I don't know what it was, but I thought,
Speaker 1: this is this gal never go anywhere, But look what
Speaker 1: you've done. Buddy. I'm very proud of you for what
Speaker 1: it what it's turned into and the drive, you know.
Speaker 1: I say that facetiously about knowing you wasn't gonna go anywhere,
Speaker 1: and the drive you had has been outstanding. It's inspired
Speaker 1: me to do a lot of stuff too, and I
Speaker 1: just appreciate you let me come along for the ride.
Speaker 1: Right on, man. Yeah, As as the non hunter in
Speaker 1: the group, I think hearing the podcast and watching you
Speaker 1: tell people stories, I think it's a very powerful tool
Speaker 1: to continue the legacy and culture and give people who
Speaker 1: haven't had that exposure a correct way of seeing things.
Speaker 1: I think hunting, I think the Southern culture. I think
Speaker 1: Arkansas has, you know, nationally not a good rep and
Speaker 1: hearing the story is in seeing how you hunt and
Speaker 1: it's being driven by principles and patterns and the way
Speaker 1: that you you share, the way that you've been influenced
Speaker 1: by your dad, the way that you influence your kids.
Speaker 1: I think it's a powerful medium and tool to give
Speaker 1: people a cleaner, more pristine, more correct picture of hunting,
Speaker 1: of Arkansas, of the South, of relationships, of of everything
Speaker 1: that is built inside of a commodity that was once
Speaker 1: you know, valuable that is but is lost and so
Speaker 1: bringing that back and giving giving people a better picture
Speaker 1: of that, I think is is awesome. Yeah, it's good. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that I've really enjoyed the podcast, and uh,
Speaker 1: I think just having known you for a lot of years,
Speaker 1: I appreciate um. First of all, like Malick I said,
Speaker 1: I appreciate the relational aspect of of the podcast. I
Speaker 1: think it I think when it all boils down to it,
Speaker 1: it's relationship that makes us rich and so to be
Speaker 1: able to connect with people and to to draw stories
Speaker 1: from people. I think storytelling and the ability to draw
Speaker 1: stories out of people that that thing has been lost,
Speaker 1: um in a sense that that shows the depth of
Speaker 1: what's been built in people over a long journey. And
Speaker 1: so I think to be able to hear that from
Speaker 1: you who have a passion to to mind that out,
Speaker 1: I think it's valuable for people to be able to hear.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really looking forward to to the future
Speaker 1: podcasts and the things that I get to learn by listening.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean I think you eagerly await
Speaker 1: being on the very grious podcasts, eagerly render, and and
Speaker 1: I may might become so popular on the render that
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need to be on the point. Hey,
Speaker 1: this is look good for Edwards were passing to their horn, Dad,
Speaker 1: What do you think then? Well, I hate to burst
Speaker 1: your stinking bubble, but these guys are obviously on the payroll.
Speaker 1: And I am really disappointed in you, Daniel. I think
Speaker 1: you sort of have a spiritual religious background. And it's
Speaker 1: it's obvious again that she hadn't been vaccinated against Lyne.
Speaker 1: That's that's brist deal. I podcast. When he's talking about
Speaker 1: But you know when I listened to it, I look,
Speaker 1: I look at it from a deadly standpoint. That's a
Speaker 1: new word. We'll take it. Uh. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: like when you were a kid. You know, your brain
Speaker 1: is not totally formed. I mean, you miss about half
Speaker 1: the good stuff. It's like on the deal with the
Speaker 1: with the Dogs, I mean, nowhere did you mention that
Speaker 1: the dog is your best friend? But why is he
Speaker 1: your best friend? It's because he loved you first. He's
Speaker 1: the only animal that loves you more than him. And
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't even cover that. I mean I
Speaker 1: was embarrassed. It was embarrassing that you went into all
Speaker 1: that rhetoric and didn't mention the love the dog has
Speaker 1: for you. And if you look at life in the
Speaker 1: way I'm serious about the love, I think you can
Speaker 1: detect that. But I only love people that love me.
Speaker 1: And if they have the ability to show me that
Speaker 1: they loved me first, you know, they exposed themselves. It's
Speaker 1: it's like I'm open, vulnerable the words. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's a powerful tool, is love.
Speaker 1: And people that are have enough confidence to expose themselves
Speaker 1: to hate. And a dog does it immediately. Now how
Speaker 1: that came from a wolf to domesticated dog? But it's
Speaker 1: really powerful. But no, really, all these podcasts, they're different
Speaker 1: in a lot that I've heard where you have a
Speaker 1: lot of meat, a lot of science, a lot of humor,
Speaker 1: all of it mixed up into a recipe that it's
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining and education. So obviously I need to tune
Speaker 1: your daddy. It's a solid six. Gary nucle gives The
Speaker 1: Brigs podcast two stars. Okay, hey, I need people to
Speaker 1: leave iTunes reviews on the Barrious podcast like so this
Speaker 1: is my unashamed solicitation for all our listeners to go
Speaker 1: to iTunes and apparently that drives the needle on these
Speaker 1: podcasts with the higher ups, you know. So, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: asking everybody out there do me a favor and just uh,
Speaker 1: you know you can. You can do as little as
Speaker 1: just giving it like stars. But the best thing to
Speaker 1: do would be to leave a comment, you know, just
Speaker 1: just say what you think. Um, that would help us.
Speaker 1: And UM, I think my guests so much for being here. Really,
Speaker 1: you guys mean the world to me, all of me,
Speaker 1: so that's why you're here. Uh. Check out Brent's podcast
Speaker 1: Nightlife Nation. Brent's got a coon hunting podcast. Check out
Speaker 1: Josh on Instagram, Kiki and the Beard Um nobody else
Speaker 1: has any like uh big social platforms. Yeah on the Twitter.
Speaker 1: But again, if if you hadn't been paying attention, We're
Speaker 1: gonna do this every other week, So the bear Grease
Speaker 1: podcast will come out every other week, the Bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: which is us just shooting the bull, and it'll be
Speaker 1: a different you know, it might be different, people might
Speaker 1: be the same people. Y'all may never want to come back.
Speaker 1: Brent drove three hours to be here. Did y'all know
Speaker 1: that Yerry drove to two and a half. Two and
Speaker 1: a half. He'll never get those two and a half. No,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. And uh yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: wait for the next episode. Keep the wild places wild
Speaker 1: because that's where the bears live and that's where you
Speaker 1: get barglaries. You know what, when Malachi left the house
Speaker 1: this morning, he thought he had the coolest socks on
Speaker 1: Those are those are coon dog socks? Oh me, I'm crazy.