WEBVTT - Ep. 7: Bear Grease [Render] - MeatEater South 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:17.080 M. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:35.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. We're going weekly, guys, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.360 and I want to explain this very clearly. The bear 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.680 Grease Podcast is a documentary style podcast that we release 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.080 every other week. We are now going to start releasing 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.080 on this same stream on the bear Grease Podcast what 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.080 we call the bear Grease Render. So every other week 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.400 you will hear a conversation between me and my buddies 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.960 where we do just what we said, render down, dive deeper, 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:07.440 and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.680 So you're gonna be hearing from us weekly from now on. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.280 It's spend years since I've worked on it. It has 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.600 gotten pretty bad. Do you have a decent outhhood? Years 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.840 ago I started to get it, like, I started to 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.320 get that that that there's a certain characteristic about it. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:42.600 But it was in my truck. Okay, I gotta get it, Brent. 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:54.000 Let's hear your best out man, very nice. Hey, this 0:01:54.200 --> 0:02:00.880 is the bear Grease Render podcast. Okay, this is the 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.280 Beargrease Surrender and the Bargrease Surrender. If this is your 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.880 first time listening to the podcast, the Bargrease Podcast is 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:13.440 a documentary style podcast where we explore all kinds of stuff, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:18.399 all kind of interesting stuff, and have these documentary style podcasts. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.880 We do that. We release those every other week, so 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.840 by the time this comes out, there's gonna be like 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.560 six Bargrease podcasts out. This is the Beargrease Surrender Boys, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.080 and the Bargrease Surrender is every other week. So now 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.480 the Bargrease Podcast is weekly because every other week we're 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:42.680 gonna meet and have like a informal conversation that reflects 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.840 and dissects. Ah, that's good. We're gonna use that reflects 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:52.520 and dissects the Beargrease documentary style podcasts. Okay, we're bowling 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.560 a cabbage down. That's right, we're bowling the cabbage down, 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.440 chewing the tobacco thin as they say. So before we 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.520 get started it here where we're talking about the what 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.160 the render is, I want to introduce my guests. Okay, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.720 so we are we are at the the global headquarters 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:16.160 of Bear Hunting Magazine and Meat Eater South. Okay, like that, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.360 and uh I have. Really every single one of you 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.240 is like you wouldn't be here if you weren't like 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:28.160 super important in my life. And most of you, well, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.480 all of you have been involved in some way in 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.600 either the Bargrease podcast or in one of the guy's cases. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:40.320 Not the Barghreas podcast, but my former Barony Magazine podcast. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:44.400 I won't mention his name to my direct left to 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.440 my to my left is my dear friend Brent Reeves, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.880 who could uh, Brent Reeves could teach a doctoral level class. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:04:00.160 I'm reading this, okay, Brent Reeves could teach class us. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.080 He wrote this, This is Brent spio. No, this is 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.920 my bio. And Brent Brent Reeves could teach a doctoral 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.560 level class on folksy Southern Saints. And ironically he has 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:16.440 also seen two Arkansas Mountain Lions. Brent was also filming 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.200 when in sixteen the big color phase of Baring, Saskatchewan 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.640 that's hanging on the wall right over there, touched my 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.840 arrow and sent. You know, Brent was the one like 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.920 sitting right behind me. So Brent, good to have you here, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.640 good to be here. Man. To Brent's left is Dr 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.840 Daniel Rupe, who, now that makes two times I've called 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.719 you doctor in your life, and that'll be the last 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.200 time I'm gonna do it one time. So Dan was 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.720 on the acron podcast. Okay, Dan is man. Dan's like, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.480 I'm not even gonna get into really what he does, 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.360 like neither with Brent. This is just when I thank 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:56.800 you guys. This is what I think of. Dan has 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.120 never combed his hair and has a aired like a viking, 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.400 and ironically he himself as well, has seen in Arkansas 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.920 Mountain Lion. I've seen it, which we want to get 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:14.600 to later. All Right, I'm gonna call that particular podcast 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.080 not a I'm gonna call it a docu drama, stirring 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.960 up controversy. Me, you and Gary gonna get jackets made 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:29.960 believers Jack. Okay, And interesting fact about Dan that you 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.760 guys may not have known. Dan Rupe was the first 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.040 guest on the Bare Hunting Magazine podcast. Did you know that? 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.560 I didn't even know that I was there? You were 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:44.680 actually you didn't know we were recording that in British Columbia, Me, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.800 you and Devin Jewel. That was the first one. Dan, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:54.000 It was a turning point in my life. Yeah, consciously apparently. Okay, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.440 So that's Dan Rupe. To his left is Dr Malacott Nichols. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.080 Now I call this guy doctor or sometimes because he 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:09.080 just has the look. He didn't get his off the internet. Okay, now, 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:14.040 Dr Maliki Nichols here his credentials. He was on the 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.760 Burgar's podcast episode number two, the Thing about al Hooters. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.719 He was the guy that I interviewed about the social 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.240 science question of correlations and how they can be connected 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.760 or not. But Dan, Dr Malachi Nichols is a current 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:34.039 Arkansas license holder hunting license holder. He has a yeah, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.400 show us you're hunting license and alikai there it is. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.360 He's pulling it out of his wallet just to prove it. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:46.280 Dr Maliki Nichols is a one time He's got He's 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.240 also got an Arkansas concealed care licenses. He's got a 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:55.440 hard card and the ducks down. Okay. Dr Maliki Nichols 0:06:55.480 --> 0:07:00.640 is also a one time coon hunter. One time. That's 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.400 the only how you've ever been on. They've never got 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:08.520 an invitation back. No, but here here's what I think 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.880 of when I think of Maliki. He is the only 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.240 person that has given me the stiff arm on a 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:23.720 legit outdoor related partnership venture requests. I mean, I mean, Okay, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.960 Malachi and I we've talked about this before publicly and 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.880 we've worked it out together privately, So there's no this 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.080 is not like an offense that I need to like 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.400 go to my brothers about. No. No, No No, we've already 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.160 done it. But it's just like there's just things that 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.560 you remember about people that you never forget. No. Me 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.080 and Malachi we've fried fish a couple of times together 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.240 for our wives and families, and we just had a 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.040 great time. I was like, man, Malachi loves to fry fish. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.080 And yeah, we talked about fishing a little bit here 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.000 and there, and then I was like, likes to fry fish, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.320 likes to fish. He's my friend. How about we going 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:02.760 partners on a boat? Malachi? Is my question? Hard? No, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.760 I mean just like he went from like twenty five 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:11.920 miles per hour to like seventy interstate real quick. He Yeah, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.440 it was like, I want to get fishing poles first, 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.120 you know, I want to take small steps. Do you 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.200 want to keep it at his house for your convenience? 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:27.280 So okay, you're not the first one. And then so 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:34.520 to his left is Josh Spillmaker Sands, doctor Sands, doctor Spillmaker. Okay, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.920 true story. I bet none of you know this true story. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:44.560 Ten years ago, Josh Spillmakers mustache inspired me to read 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.280 a book on the Baring land Bridge. This is not 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:53.320 a joke. Ten years ago, Josh Spillmakers mustache inspired me 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.000 to read a book on the Bearing land Bridge, which 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:00.960 got me interested in early human history and anthropology. And 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:06.360 he is a legendary adult onset fly fisherman. No, let 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.400 me tell you the story. One day, me and Josh 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.160 were standing there and I mean, you gotta admit, the 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.080 guy's got a great beard. But the mustache, the way 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.280 that it was like it was connecting to continents, that's 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.040 what That's what it felt like. I said, Josh, you 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.959 got an awesome mustache. And I was like, that reminds 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.120 me of the Burying land Bridge. That night, I went 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.760 home on Amazon and ordered a book that's right up there, 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.240 um and it was all about the Burying land. I 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.240 read the book, was fascinated, and I think about all 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.320 the time, and now I've got to I've tried to 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:48.040 emulate your mustache. So you're welcome, America. You're welcome. Okay. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:54.000 That's Josh and then our guest of honor. He's got 0:09:54.040 --> 0:10:00.280 the chair, My father, Gary Nukem Man. So, Dad, you've 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.400 been on by the time this comes out, you've been 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.600 you will have been on the Barriers podcast a couple 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.600 of times. Okay, So this is the way. This is 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.400 what I think of when I think of Gary Nuclem. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.720 Once while in Vietnam. This is a this war story, 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.280 true story. Once while in Vietnam, he reported to his 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.520 commanding officer wearing only a bath towel after he was 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.760 summoned to report to the officer while he was in 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:32.160 the shower. Okay, that's part one. We're gonna need a 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:36.360 little bit of explanation. Number two. Gary Nucom is single 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.160 handedly credited with keeping the myth of the Black Panther 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:48.400 alive in North Arolicia. That give us just a short 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.160 version of the when you report it to your officer 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:55.400 and your bath Now, well it's you know Vietnam, you're 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.480 always looking for something to keep your saying it. This 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.160 little clerk me in and he was like, this is serious. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.440 You gotta go see the captive. So I just walked 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.360 out neckd with my towel over. He didn't even started 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.800 hitting towards his office. Of course, by the time I 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:18.080 got there, I covered myself up. But anyway, what you 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.679 were trying to say was bro let me at least 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.280 get out of the shower. Is it that important? That 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.960 was kind of that was kind of like the it 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.200 had to be so important, it didn't matter I was 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:36.200 going so anyway, it was kind of funny. Great, great, Well, okay, 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.760 now that we've done proper introductions, let's get down to 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.440 business here boys. Um So, the Bargrease Render is the 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:48.400 short version of the Bargeras podcast where we talked about it. Man, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.040 I've had the time of my life building the When 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.520 this comes out, there will be six Burgeras podcasts out, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.319 and the podcast is formatted in such a way that 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:05.040 it's it's it's hard for me to like, I when 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.080 I get done making one of these, I want to 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.640 call one of you guys and talk about it, like 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.760 and there. There's so much more that can be said 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.800 because we're trying to make it an efficient listen and 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:18.080 so you know, it's fairly scripted, you know, scripted in 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.800 the sense that everything is thought out, but it's also 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:26.280 you know, there are sections of of informal interviews but 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.000 for instance, you you will hear interviews on the Burgaries 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:34.080 podcast with experts with whoever, like Dan Rupe Uh that 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.760 we talked for probably an hour Dan and I whittled 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:44.360 it down to like seventeen minutes easy. A lot of 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.680 fluff in it, but so like this is gonna give 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.040 kind of me an outlet to like say some other stuff, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.679 to make corrections. There's a couple of corrections. Man, when 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.720 you're spouting off this much information, boys, you know sometimes 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:59.160 you get it wrong. Tall tales, tall tales. Um. But 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.440 it also is you guys a chance to like talk 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:09.960 to me about any perceptions that you have, anything I 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.040 could have done better, um. And so I know all 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.280 you guys have something to say. We're at a little 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.040 bit of a disadvantage on the first Bargera Surrender because 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:23.760 we've already had six podcasts come out, okay, and so 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.800 as we get on the weekly schedule, there's gonna be 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.520 like one podcast that's gonna come out, and so it 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.280 will be a little bit more focused. But so so 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.880 on this one, we're just gonna kind of hit and 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.320 miss over the different six podcasts that have come out. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.679 But what I haven't had a chance to do on 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:47.559 the Bargrease podcast is talk about the name beargrease. Do 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.920 do y' all know why it's bargrease? Do y'all understand 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.880 the metaphor? Is the marketing strong enough that you understand 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:59.319 the metaphor? This is an open question. What are you 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:04.160 talking about of a podcast you don't understand? Good? Okay, 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:09.520 so you don't understand, No, listen. Beargrease is literally, I'm 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.880 holding a jar in my hand right now, is literally 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.960 the rendered fat of a black bear. Okay, I put 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:21.480 on your deep philosophical thinking caps. Okay. At one time, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:26.160 bear grease was a medium of currency, and it was 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.440 a staple of life on the on the American frontier. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.440 Beargrease stayed stayed good longer than pork lard. So like 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.400 if you were if you homesteaded in Arkansas or Tennessee 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:42.040 or Kentucky or wherever, you would render down this fat 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.760 and it would be extremely valuable to you. It was 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.960 a form of currency. Did you know that an eel 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.800 of bargrease, that is an archaic unit of measure for 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.920 a beargrease was the tanned neck hide of a deer 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.920 sewn together. Beargrease poured into it and then it was 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.920 sealed up, and an eel of grease was like a 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:05.160 unit of currency. It is just perchance, boys, that we 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:11.280 the US dollar isn't nickname an eel, okay, like it, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.320 but it's nicknamed a buck because a buck skin was 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:19.360 worth about one U. S. Dollar. Actually I'm making that up. 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:26.240 That bare eel was almost almost the same thing. So okay, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.240 philosophical thinking caps This at one time was highly important 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.240 and everyone would have known about it. And this has 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.160 been like normal, like you'd have had it in your house, 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.400 you'd had it in your house, you'd had any more. 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:42.080 About Old Trough, Arkansas, Well, that's that is a that 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.000 is a city artifact of what I'm talking about, because 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.440 it was a city in northern Arkansas that had a 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.960 processing plant for bar oil and they ship that bar 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:58.480 oil down the white That's right. Yeah, you know, the 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.440 first time I du rectly met you was through a 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.880 jar bear grouse. Your daughter came into my class. I 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.440 was teaching teaching school and your daughter came into my class. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.560 She had a she had a ten fox hide on 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:17.360 her left shoulder. This is this story, true story. Ten 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.480 fox hide on her left shoulder and a jar bear grease, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.600 and she just walked into my classroom like nothing's happening. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:31.080 It was just a regular was Tuesday. She walked in, 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.120 you know, with this with this fox hide in this 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.080 jar bear grouse and she said, my dad sent this 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.520 with me. I'm gonna put it on the window, supposed 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.560 to tell us what the weather is gonna be like. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:43.480 So I want to know if it's gonna rain before 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.160 we go outside. And she sat down and it's like, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.640 I have been in Arkansas like a year, and I'm thinking, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.080 like where am I at right now? And that is 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.520 the first time I indirectly met Clay nucle I've never 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.720 met him before and met him through his daughter with 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.919 a jar bearer Jar Bargers. That's awesome. So I had 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:14.960 forgotten about that, and that's why this jar is where 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.679 it is. This is my this is my weather forecasting 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.200 jar Burgers. You see this chart right here. I'll send 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:23.320 you boys home with one of these one day. This 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.200 is a chart. This is a chart made by by 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:33.800 Gordon Websat out in New Mexico that I you can 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.120 read the weather. It's man that bargaries changes all the time. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:43.480 It really does, every single day. It looks different um okay. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.359 So now we've all come together to this point of 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.119 that Burgaries was like this valuable thing, and then now 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:53.240 it's not. It's erased from people's memory. I mean like erased, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.119 like you go and like pull the three thirty million 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.760 people in the United States, I mean like point oh 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.919 oh oh one percent would like kind of know what 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:07.240 it was. The Beargrease podcast is we are exploring things 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:13.640 that are forgotten but relevant, searching for insight in unlikely places, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.679 like telling the weather off of jar burgheris you know 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.359 where that came from? Alachi was the Native Americans Channel seven? 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.680 Then is that where you get your weather? No, Native 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:28.920 Americans in the southwestern US. They would take the dried 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.479 and scraped bladder of a deer pour bearg grease in it, 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.280 and when it dried it became almost translucent and you 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.000 could see through it like a glass jar, and they 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.920 forecasted the weather based upon the bear grease in that jar. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.920 Thanks forgotten but relative insight and unlikely places. And our 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.960 tagline is we're going to tell the story of Americans 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.080 who lived their lives close to the land. And so 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.119 bear grease is a metaphor something that's forgotten and man, 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:00.160 bear grease. We use it for all kinds of stuff. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.679 We use it for frying, We use it for pastries, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.439 We use it for oil and conditioning leather. We use 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.280 it for rubbing down gun barrels. Um. We use it 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.120 for forecasting the weather. You see this bar of soap 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.200 right here. You can go to the meteor dot com 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.879 and see me and Colby Moorehead making this bar of 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.000 soap out of bear fat. It's animal tallow, lie fat soap. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.879 Incredible stuff. If I had more of it, I'd give 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.440 you all some, but I don't, and I gotta stay 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.600 clean somehow. But that I'm telling you that that lie 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.240 soap is incredible. Is it in your shower? You bet 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.760 you it is. I've actually got something. Yeah, I'd like 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.000 to have some and not like to have something for 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.600 my time. You want to bring something, Man, we're not 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:53.960 getting paid. This is actually a multi level marketing. Well 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.760 we're soap so guys, That's why I brought you here. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.640 You can get on he can get it on the ground. Yeah, 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.520 I actually have some of it in my shower. Colby 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.440 give me. Oh yeah, it's great. It's great. So it's great, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.000 so good for your skin, good so so you see 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:13.960 the metaphor so like we're we're like basically that gives 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.760 us this broad window to explore all these different things, 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.160 and for instance, the inside like inside the Mountain Lion 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.720 podcast like that was like a like the first podcast 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.800 was called The Myth of the Southern Mountain Lion, which 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.320 was a really fun podcast where I interviewed people A 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:34.800 few people that have seen mountain lions claim to have anyway, yeah, yeah, 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.600 And and I interviewed a biologist and they interviewed a 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.840 psychologist about how people cognitive bias, like if you're it's 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:44.840 a wonder I've not seen a mountain lion because my 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.240 dad believes in black panthers? Do you see what the 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.560 cognitive bias means? If your dad told you there was 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:55.880 something there, even if there was a chance to defend yourself, dad, 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.439 do you believe in oxygen? I do? Oh? Can you 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.879 see it? No, I saw a mountain lion, Garrett, you 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.760 see I saw a black panther pants. Did you question 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.400 after you listen to that podcast? Did you question yourself? 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.520 I questioned my friends, a circle of friends and the 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:18.920 people that I called your relationships, the dynamic of that relationship, 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:22.440 I thought who was a psychologist. What's he going to cognitive? 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.399 What was cognitive? And the problem the problem is that 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.800 no one ever told me there wasn't mountain lions in Arkansas, 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.280 and no one ever told me there was, And so 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:34.840 you're saying you're totally unbiased and the one you saw 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.800 it was just like for real, yes, are you convinced 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.360 you saw it hundred percent? What was it behind bars 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.760 or on a chain or outside of a restaurants wearing 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:50.520 a pink tutu? No, I told you in the podcast 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.159 there It wasn't like I was by myself and my 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:57.040 wife was with me. Well there you go, Hey, you 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.040 don't have to defend yourself. I'm just kidding. The the 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.960 point is, well I don't believe you, but but um, 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.959 the insight though, Like so I'm trying to describe like 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.200 the Burgers podcast, because somebody could be listening to this 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.800 and never even heard the Burgers play. The insight came 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.320 inside of like we explored this thing, Like there's this 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.879 artifact and I like that word of from when lions 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.520 were actually here because indisputably, there are a lot of 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.760 people that claim that ce mountain lions that didn't And 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.439 I absolutely a d percent believe every one of you. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.240 I said it on the podcast too, I said, I 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.919 punched somebody in the teeth if they didn't believe you, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:40.080 didn't anything, but bands went on there. But the insight 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.200 came in just looking at how we want to believe 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.639 our brother Like do you remember at the end, like 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.000 I came to the conclusion like and I didn't fabricate that, 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:54.040 like after I talked to all these people, like it 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:58.760 was like the redeeming factor of it all was that, 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.120 like the way we survived, and it's natural for me, 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.600 I trust Brent Reeves if he tells me sees a 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.360 mountain line, then by GOLLI he saw a mountain line. 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:09.880 And I'm just giving you guys a hard time. So 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:12.040 basically what you're saying is that you can love your 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:17.719 friends even when they're delusions. Okay. The deeper thought is 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:21.119 is that what has made human successful in the earth 0:23:21.359 --> 0:23:25.399 is that we want to trust our brother are we 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.320 It's like a mechanism like because if I can't, it's 0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:32.560 just it's a mechanism of trust, like I want to 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.679 believe you, and and then I think that has produced 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.360 a lot of false mountain Lion you know, sightings from 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:42.440 people who maybe had some you know, thought they saw vaccinated, 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:50.240 like being vaccinated against line. Very good. Yeah, now, Dad, okay, 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.680 I've I've credited you with keeping the myth of the 0:23:53.720 --> 0:23:55.960 black panther alive. How do you feel about that? I 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.320 think it's wonderful. I mean, it's nice that you put 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:02.680 up the truth. I mean, it's it's against science. But 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.159 I mean, who are you gonna trust you because you 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.360 saw one? Well, I mean, I don't think that's any 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:15.159 of your ba You know, when I go down to 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:19.919 Aunt Olie's, she lives in a dog trot house with 0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.280 trees over the road, and at night we're we're awakened 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:27.560 by a screaming black panther. I mean, who are you 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:31.480 gonna trust? And Ali tell us what a dog trot 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:34.760 house is. It's got a porch right down the middle, 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.040 one side of your kitchen, living room, one side of 0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.439 your bedroom, big trees out. I mean, it was an 0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:43.480 amazing place. It's an architectural style that they used to 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.080 use before air conditioning. Yeah, so you would cook on 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.440 one side and then you would sleep on one side. 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.480 And the little community was almost as neat as the house. 0:24:52.560 --> 0:25:01.520 It was Buck snort, Yeah, yeah, Buck snort, Yeah, a 0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:12.520 lot of panthers. There a panther country, panther country. Hey 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:19.120 listen though, no, I on like they're a legitimate mountain line. 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:21.560 I mean the biologists even confirmed it. I mean, like, 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:24.400 if you listen to the whole even talking about I'm 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.680 just giving you a hard time. The man confirmed it. Yeah, 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:30.439 there are mountains here. Now black panthers. Now, that is 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.680 where I draw the hard line. And neither of these 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.680 guys have claimed have seen a black panther. Dad's just 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:38.199 just heard him and you just could tell by the 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:44.399 sound that it was black. Absolutely so. The but you 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:49.080 would be shocked shocked at the number of grown men who, 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.080 after listening to that whole podcast and listening to Myron 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:57.040 means saying science, from the position of science, there has 0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:02.600 never been documented a melanistic mountain lion ever by science. 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:06.240 Did you get some documentation in the mail? In the email, 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:09.960 you wouldn't believe the grown men that messaged me, some 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:14.240 of them friends of mine, and they're like Clay, I 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.160 listened to podcast. It was awesome. I believe every word 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:22.520 of it. I've seen a black panther though, I mean, 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.640 like it's like rocks people's boats. Man, I mean like 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.960 I think like splits families. Like this idea of black 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.080 panther iron means got off of that interview. Was he like, 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:38.600 there's really black panthers. It was like they reached over, 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:43.879 turned the taper quarter off of it was like I 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:47.240 killed one last year. No no I. I had two 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.760 different people claimed that their father's well. One of them 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.879 claimed that their father had shot at a black panther. 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.720 One of them claimed that their father killed a black panther, 0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:59.560 killed it with a bow. This I'm telling you, this 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:04.040 guy's like I've know this guy, and I'm like, send 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:05.920 me a picture, and if he's listening out, I hope 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.880 he'll send me a picture. I want to believe you. 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.800 I want to believe him. Um. I had a guy 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.840 uh called bring up a good point that there is 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.160 a there is a cat like critter down in South 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:20.200 Texas called a jagger undi, which is a cat like 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:22.520 critter that lives in deep South Texas and they can 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:26.080 be melanistic. Okay, So there's so like, could a jagger 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:32.200 undi walk nine miles to Arkansas or four five montes? Possibly? 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.320 I had another guy say that he thinks black panther 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:40.280 sidings are big otters, river otters, because a river otter 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.959 is black and you don't see him very much. And 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:45.320 if and they have big long tails, what do you 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.399 think of that? JAGGARUNDI there, all the guys are like 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:50.840 looking at their phones. Yeah, absolutely, I don't know about that. 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.360 I mean, think about that at dark, Yeah, I can 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:59.920 see that if it's especially dark dusk, just like charcoal, 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:06.200 it looks like a mountain lion with a housecat's head. Yeah. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.879 I've never even heard of that until you just said it. 0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:14.040 See if that's what Gary heard? Does that look like 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:19.840 what you heard? That's not black? Well, but see the 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:28.520 sides panther. But so that could have been melanistic, Got you, 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.560 got you, got you so um. But you know, the 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.840 whole point of it was is that jaguars and leopards 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.520 can't have been documented as melanistic. The American mountain lion 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.440 has never been documented as melanistic, and so to see 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.360 a black panther would just be like, well they're not here, 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:50.360 so anyway, super fun. And guess what, I am the 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.800 biggest proponent of black panther in North America. When those 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.080 guys sent me that stuff. I'm like, heck, yeah, brother, 0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:01.080 keep it, keep this thing alive. Yeah, keep it alive. 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:12.480 Long Live the Black Panther. I love it. Any further 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:16.520 comments on episode number one that was I can tell 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.880 you from a from like a creative standpoint, just kind 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.840 of like behind the scenes of that podcast. That was 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.840 the first party I built that podcast, like in January 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.160 or something. You know, it just came out like in April, 0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:32.720 and I had all these interviews and had no idea 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.040 if they how they would stitch together to tell a story. 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.360 And when Phil Taylor and Mediate did it all put 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:40.880 it all together, and I had edited all the little 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.080 sections and put it together. Man, I was so excited 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:45.560 when I heard it. I was just driving down the 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.080 road and just listen to it, and I was like, Yes, 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.960 that is what I want to do with burglaries, you know, 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:58.040 like tell these interesting stories about rural culture and they're 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.520 not always gonna be about hunting. Like that pod didn't 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:03.000 have anything at all. I mean it was good because 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.560 it you know, it gave it gave a lot of 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:09.040 depth to everything. It wasn't just I saw this when 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:12.320 I was nine. Team. There was a whole lot of 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.640 a build up in basis to all of the all 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.400 the claims you know, and I witness reports, and then 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.320 you know, somebody to set back an unbiased view and 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:23.360 look at all of it and say, you know, you 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.320 may have seen something, but the possibilities of it being 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:31.840 you know, this particular color or that particular animal, you know, 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:36.240 it's you know, while not impossible, you know, highly improbable. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.720 Did you just give you know, food for thought? Yeah? 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:42.360 And if by unbiased you mean Myron's section, I can 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:47.680 support it was far from Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.720 what I really liked about it was, um, it kind 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:52.600 of made me And this is probably one of thost 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.400 naive things I'll say, but it just seems like when 0:30:56.880 --> 0:31:00.000 when we weren't so detached from the land and from 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:04.080 wild places, that it might have been easier to trust 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:07.160 one another. When you talk about trusting your brother and 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.640 trusting your fellow man. When when the biggest you know, 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:14.520 argument or polarizing you know, one of them is are 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.360 there black panthers or not? Or are there mountain? Yeah? 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.840 You know, whereas there's so many things today in our 0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.080 current age that just it just seems like it inhibits 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:27.000 that so much more that was thirty years ago, man, 0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:31.320 almost And you know, I've never had an outlet to 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.960 even you know, tell that story where in any setting. 0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.600 That was when you saw your Mountain Lions thirty years ago, 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.160 almost thirty years and your old friend Clay was the 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.280 only one who cared. He on the one that listened, 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:49.360 and then he tried to sell you some so hey, 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.080 so right here on that you got. This is a surprise. 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:57.640 You don't know what this is. That's a number three 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.320 of the Bear Grease podcast was a shed horned buck 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:12.200 of nineteen dear dear friend James Lawrence. This is this 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:20.560 is the butck. This is okay. I refused to allow 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:25.959 him to give them to me. Man. I was at 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.560 James's house and this is before he had even heard 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:32.800 the podcast, and he just said take those home with you. 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.840 And he also allowed me turn around and look up here. 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:41.560 So on the on the ceiling of my office, there's 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:44.840 a picture of my dad, Gary Nucom with his first buck. 0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.880 There's a picture of Steve Schultz, who's my father in law. 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.840 And there's a picture of James Lawrence back in the 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.680 mountains of Arkansas with a buck. And that buck that's 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.920 hanging on the wall is a buck that James Lawrence 0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:01.000 killed on one of his big soul Low hunts back 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.640 in the seventies. Now, he killed that one in the sixties. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.400 He was like twenty one years old when he killed it. 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:09.080 Those three guys are my heroes. That's why they're there. 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.880 And those there's like sixteen by twenty frame pictures, And 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:15.240 what's so cool is they were all about the same 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.320 age in that picture. So, Dad, how old were you. 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:21.920 That's Dad's first buck. Oh, twenty six, twenty seven or 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.920 something like that, So you were you were older than 0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.440 that when it was nineteen seventy eight. I'm just glad 0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.720 you're thirty years old. Yeah, I'm glad he's wearing clothes. 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:40.880 Well no, maybe, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't like most of 0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.080 these listeners. I didn't start hunting until real late in 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.920 life because my dad was so much like Clay. You 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.560 didn't want to hang around him and he'd kill you hunting. 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.360 I mean, you'd go with him and it's like, come on, Dad, 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.320 it's time to go home, and we're just getting started. 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:02.080 I quit. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, So Dad started bo 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:04.680 hunting when he was in his late twenties. But you 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.120 grew up bird hunting and stuff with your dad. He 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.439 kind of burned you out. Yeah, I had to lay 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.520 rules down when I got a little older that hey, 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:16.320 we're only going for four hours. So there's dad's picture. 0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:18.320 And then Steve Schultz, my father in law. He was 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.200 a falconer and that picture was taking the late seventies 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:25.720 in Florida, and uh, he's Steve's had an incredible influence 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:29.160 on my life. And then James, who in his own 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.960 unique way has had a significant impact on was like, 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.400 but this this is the shed horn buck that he picked. 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:36.879 He picked up these sheds, those actual sheds are from 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:39.080 the sixties. Man, let's look great. He picked up these 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:43.640 sheds in in the early nineteen sixties. And actually he 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:45.960 told me that he made a set of rattling horns 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.360 at a one pair because he's got three sets of sheds, 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:52.880 but he can only find two. And this is actually 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.799 two different years sheds. I'm holding a left handler and 0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.000 a right handler. So this was the buck the year before. 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.319 If you really dissected and held it, you could see 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:06.239 a difference in mass, in time length. This was the 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.720 buck at his prime. Okay, this is a left antler, 0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.480 a five point side. People can go to my Instagram 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.840 and see a picture of James and me with these deer. Okay, 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:21.000 I scored this buck this side as a shed ten 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.320 twelve years ago, and I just remembered that it scored 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.840 around a hundred seventy. And that's what I said on 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:31.160 the podcast. I kind of got to not doubting myself, 0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.200 but I was just like, man, I wondered that thing. 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:35.520 I mean, I just kind of like to re score 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:37.239 that thing just to make sure you know I'm I'm 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:44.520 interested in the facts. Boys. Yeah, I scored this right 0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:48.320 before you guys came, and that shed has eighty inches 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.280 of antler on it, which eighty inches would be eighty 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.240 times two, which would be one sixty plus the spread, 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:57.879 So this would have been a mid one seventies white tips. 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.200 It's deceptive though. It's got a twenty two inch main beam, 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.480 eleven inches, ten and a half, seven and a half, 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:08.920 five and a half plus two kickers plus you know, 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.640 four inch mass all the way out ends up being 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.640 eighty inches. So like, but this is that's the horn. 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:18.839 Here's to a to a non hunter, this is like 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.000 a prized if you were to kill this this buck, 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.680 this will be up None of us in this room 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.359 have ever killed a deer that big, much less how 0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:29.359 many years ago in Arkansas? I mean, that's the that's 0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.560 one of the big things that is the ecosystem in 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:39.480 Arkansas that many decades ago. This was that set of 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.520 antlers might as well have been grown out right in 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:45.520 the middle of his hand, like a white tailed unicorn. 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:50.040 And after sixty years a hunting, they called you the unicorn. 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.600 N Is that what this is about? You wanted to 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:56.719 talk about my high school day? Is? Yeah? This is 0:36:56.760 --> 0:37:01.200 you now? Yeah, so Malicho would be like just a 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:04.719 really nice white tail deer and uh, now, what what 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:07.000 do you guys think of? That podcast? Was great? I 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.880 listened to it again yesterday. You know what I I thought, 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.520 How wonderful was it for him to have that story 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.239 and that, you know, talk about I mean, say, with 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:19.840 the are there panthers or not? You want to be trusted, 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.799 You want to trust your fellow man. Basically none of 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.799 his family trusted him, you know. But then for you 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:30.560 to do that podcast and have all these conversations with them, 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.040 I mean that had to really I had to be 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:36.240 healing for him. It's kind of what I was taken 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.520 away from him. You know what struck me about it 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:42.799 was that he was not a mainstream hunter. He did 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:46.239 something different than everybody else. All the hunters that knew 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.440 how to hunt, had all the experience, were out running 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.759 dogs and James is sitting there going, now, I saw 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.200 a deer out here, and I mean he pursued his 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.880 own thing and and in a way if you know, 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.600 I don't hunt bucks like that. I mean, it's just 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.000 too boring for me. So I'm not gonna kill deer 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.640 like this unless really heavy to carry out the woods. Yeah, yeah, 0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:10.759 that's right. You've been with me when I picked a 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:15.880 little but anywhere I've had a chance to kill him 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:20.400 a deer close to that, but it didn't work. Anyway. 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.280 That's a great point. And see, the whole the whole 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.279 point of that podcast to me was that James took 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.319 something that was negative and turned into something positive, going 0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:33.480 back to insight and unlikely places like that would have 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.440 crushed most people and and did Jane. I like, it 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:42.200 was a little bit tricky for me because James trusts 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.440 me so much. I feel like like he he would 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.680 just tell me whatever I asked him to tell and 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.080 wouldn't question what I was gonna do with that information. 0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.080 If you told him you'd seen a mountain lion, he'd believe. 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:56.320 He would believe me. He's never seen one. James Lawrence 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.880 has never seen a mountain lion. I believed the subject. 0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:03.839 But like, there was some pretty pretty deep stuff there, 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:09.399 and I was drawing conclusions about like him, like that 0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:13.480 impacted him in a negative way, But he didn't get 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:17.160 bitter about it. He and I said this before, he 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.799 is the guy that you want with you when you're successful. 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.239 So like he didn't go and oppress people even more 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:28.600 like he was oppressed. Like he just instinctively was just like, man, 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:30.560 I'm not gonna ever let that happen one of my friends. 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.319 And you know one thing too, You take Malachi that's 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.719 not hunted much, and you kill a big buck. He 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:41.719 didn't even know it. I mean, those guys might have 0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:45.000 come at that a little more honest than what we think. 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.640 It might not have been. I'm kind of jealous of 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.560 James for killing it. It could have been. I just thought, man, 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.800 we're out here for the meat. We're trying to survive, 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.160 you know, forget the horns. I'm worried about my belly. 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.000 You know, I can see that I think that makes sense. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.600 So if you've got a group of guys who are 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:05.480 not hunting for sport and there's a socially accepted way 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:09.440 to obtain sustenance and he's going against the grain in 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.080 the use and the quickest way possible, that kind of that. 0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:15.200 You know. I didn't feel like at all in the 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.600 podcast though, that his family were like demonized or anything. 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:20.880 But it makes a little more sense as to why 0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:23.320 I couldn't figure out why are they so unkind to 0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:25.839 this kid? You know, why does some of the men 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.920 in his life come and be like, man, that's awesome. 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.120 That's where it was a little bit touchy and I 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.360 and I had to be careful and I actually asked 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.759 a few people before I said, do you think that 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:38.960 would hurt? Do you think? I mean, I didn't want 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.239 to disclose more than but but James is the one 0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.080 that said it, you know, I mean, like he just 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.560 told his story and he was kind of he was 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:50.600 kind of discounted. And that is also pretty normal too. 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.040 I mean, like to kind of discount a kid when 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:56.800 they're saying something, and I didn't. And James has the 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.399 utmost respect for his family too, And you could tell 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.040 that at the first a podcast when he was talking 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:05.000 about his grandmother and grandfather, how much you respected them 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.200 and how they never said anything negative about anybody. Man. 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:12.640 That's that's that's James. But from from if we're talking 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.960 about the Burgaries podcast and kind of forecasting where this 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.080 thing is gonna go. These first six episodes I think 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:24.040 are all very diverse. You think about it, like we 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:27.600 explore this like folklore of the myth of the southern 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.200 mountain lion. Every podcast I want to have an expert, 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.479 like a biologist or an academic guy, or just someone 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:40.040 who's a subject matter expert. And then the ideas also 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:44.000 that we're interviewing in the field, people that have information 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.760 about the topic, like Brent and Dad's and mountain lions. 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:51.200 And then here Daniels said, Daniel's like waving his hand, 0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:54.960 He's like, why what on the first now? And and 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.920 and uh, every podcast is gonna have kind of this similar, 0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:02.759 similar structure, but all gonna be very different, like this 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:06.680 folklore about mountain lion, anabiology lesson, and then the next 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.439 one we're talking about the correlation between being a good 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:13.000 al hooter and a turkey hunter and talking about Colin 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:20.960 Turkey's you did good man? Yeah, well you're getting there. 0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:25.000 And and then the third podcast was the shed hornbuck 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.920 in nineteen sixty two, which was just this guy's story. 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.120 And then the fourth podcast was Death of a Bear Hunter, 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:36.440 which was fantastic. Man meant okay, that one was a 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:41.000 historically based podcast about a guy in a book and 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:43.360 one single story of the book, but we painted the 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.200 context to the whole scene. You listen to that podcast, 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.560 you understand what's going on in the eighteen thirties in Arkansas. 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.520 You understand who gir Stalker was. You understand a little 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.560 bit about Native Americans that he was hunting with, And like, 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:58.319 what what do y'all think of that one? I got 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.520 a bone to pick with you on that. Okay, hold 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.759 this deer horn while you're doing it. Three years this 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:06.120 is a weapon. Okay, past the deer horn, if you 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:11.840 want to talk three years ago. Three years ago, you said, Brant, 0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:18.160 have you ever seen this book? Yeah? That one? I 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:19.920 never heard of it. He said, you got to read it, 0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:21.840 he said, And this is why I want you to 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:25.320 read it. This is three years ago, he said, I 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.360 want you to read this book. And when you get done, 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.359 you and I are going to do a podcast on this. 0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:33.160 I heard him say it. I was there, so he's 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:35.719 I buy this book and I read this thing from 0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:43.000 cover to cover. I can speak Germany. And then the 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.400 next thing, I know, when the podcast comes out of like, 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.719 I don't hear myself on there? That does That doesn't 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.600 even sound like. So basically I gave you an assignment 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.640 to do a book report and then there was no 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:59.399 never got a grade. It was absolutely It was incredible, though, man, 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.880 that that book. I sent that book to my brother 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:05.920 and both of my nephews. I think I've read it now. 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:10.160 It's incredible book. Yeah, I passed the horn. Hey, well 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.839 you read it too, Dan, Yeah, you read it years ago. 0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:16.200 When I just told you the story, Well we were 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.040 on a bear hunt together and something had reminded you 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.799 of the story, and you, Clay retold the story and 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.200 the way that I remembered it was you. You got 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.200 to kind of the climax of the story and this 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:33.279 gentleman gets knocked out, everything goes black, wakes up, his 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.080 hunting buddies dead. I mean, it's just like just this 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.480 amazing story. I went and got the book and read 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:43.640 it and it was just fantastic. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:48.400 Well that that story has been on my mind for years. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.520 I mean that's the reason I told it. But we're 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:54.840 gonna replicate that into other podcasts with historical stories, and 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.920 I've already got some ideas that i cannot share. I'll 0:44:57.920 --> 0:45:00.600 share what you got after this? Yeah, a few books 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:07.640 you want Brent to read? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Um what 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.360 Josh your thoughts on that one? Well? I love that 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:14.080 one A couple of times. I loved the I mean 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:18.680 when you're when you're reading that story, you are transported 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:24.879 into the what is happening? And gay Stalker does such 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.640 a great job Josh, as German describing, does such a 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:33.120 great job describing the scene. It's like, who needs Netflix 0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.160 when you got that? You know? You know, and you 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.840 mentioned this I think maybe on the podcast, but a 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.600 lot of the places that he talked about in that book, 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:44.840 I've been, you know. It's it's it's between here and 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:47.960 where I live in Central Arkansas, up and down the 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.240 Little Red River. Well, you know it's I was serious 0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.920 when I said on the podcast, I was offended at 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.279 people that I didn't know that story till I was 0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:00.480 thirty years old. I'm serious. I'll tell you where about. 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.400 It was not in this country. I was in another 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:08.759 country reading a book in a hotel room, and I 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.960 had no idea that, well, I this this college professor 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.760 had said, Hey, there's some stories about Arkansas bear hunting. 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.560 There's all I said, terrible marketing, Like the first half 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:20.520 of the book. The guy's not even Arkansas. So I'm 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.200 just kind of like, oh, this is cool. I mean, 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.880 you know, it's cool, but like I wanted Arkansas stuff. 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.000 And when I get to that story, I'm I'm not kidding. 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.840 I remember where I was sitting when I read that story, 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:34.839 and I was just like, holy cow, he was eventually coming. 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:37.040 I didn't know that he was. Well, no, no, I knew. 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.640 All I knew was that Arkansas bear stories. I had 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.799 no idea that it was just right down the road. 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.399 And I'm like, why don't we know that? Why don't 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:49.880 they teach this in Arkansas public schools? Why? And like 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.399 just it's just and the and the truth is there's 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:57.520 stuff like that littered all across history. Like wherever the 0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:01.120 people that are listening to this live, stuff happened right 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:07.319 where they live. Substantial Emory day, this guy hand him 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:13.200 the horn no in okay, going back to the insight 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:16.160 like Bear Grease can give you insight beyond what you 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:20.160 would have thought it would, is that I really have 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.759 had the question of why does that story impact me 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:27.080 so much? Like why? And and that was my exploration 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.880 inside of that podcast, is why do stories impact this? 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.319 Because that story has no consequence on my life in 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:34.680 a rational sense, like a guy got killed by bar 0:47:34.800 --> 0:47:40.160 out here with dogs, but that guy's story has shaped 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.719 my family and it's just you know. And then and 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:49.520 then the conclusion was humans are massively impacted by stories, 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:53.080 whether you want to or not. And so you got 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:57.319 a choice of what stories you let impact you. Netflix 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.080 tells stories. That's what Netflix is in the business of 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:08.000 telling stories, you know, absolutely, and so like and and 0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:09.799 you know, you could say, well, Clay, why are you 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.400 letting a story about a English guy you didn't know 0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:15.360 getting killed by bear you know, like impact your family. 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:18.239 Like that's kind of aside from the point in that 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.800 it's like we we get that, we get to choose 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.360 what impacts us and how it impacts us, you know. 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:26.560 And I would like if Gerstalker had just been a 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:30.400 dirt ball that story, like like if he had just 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.200 been known as like an outlaw and like a scrupulous character, 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:38.239 like I wouldn't have had respect. I respected the guy. 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.840 He did love people, like I said on the podcast 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.920 when he left Conwell's house, like these are people that 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:46.959 he had just met. He couldn't even speak their same 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:51.439 language that well, and he cried when he left Conwell's house. 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:54.120 He said, Conwell had hair as white as snow. And 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:57.279 he loved his family and he went into you know how, 0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.840 he stayed with them and they begged him to stay. 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.359 And it's just like I like it. I like that guy. 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:06.839 And then and then just his insightfulness and and he 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.880 wasn't like a conservation hero, like I wasn't trying to 0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:14.239 paint Gerstalker as a conservation hero. But he did have 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:18.120 insight that the market hunting of the times of which 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:22.319 he participated in was unsustainable. And like so that then 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:26.799 becomes like a stamp on that story. And like when 0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:28.719 I think of that, I think of, man, will never 0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.360 do that again. He was hunting bears in February in 0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:35.320 Den's and it's like, man, that was really cool Wayne 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.640 doing that no more. I mean, there there are stories 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:43.319 in that book of them crawling into dens crawling in 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.880 caves with Litward. They call him Torches, but pine Kindler's 0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:52.840 pine Kindling split climbing into caves, killing a sal bear 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:57.280 and then smacking cubs up against the rock to kill him. 0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:59.560 I mean like they were in the business of killing stuff, 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.160 and it's like that did happen. That's not good. It's 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:06.200 not gonna happen again. Because it happened, then, do you 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:08.800 see what I'm saying. It's like me like talking about 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.040 conservation based bear hunting, where we're highly selective and we're 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:15.120 trying to target these older mature males. That happened because 0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:20.040 ger Stoker, he didn't know any better, was clubbing you know, 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:24.120 baby bears over there. I mean for a better term, 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:30.520 we listen. We have the right as humans to correct 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.680 our paths and learn from our past. It's like James 0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:38.280 Lawrence redemption inside of something that was negative. Well, you 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.040 you recognize that that that is obsolete, and you have 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.520 to be able to recognize the obsolescence of that thing 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:48.400 and move on and say this this worked for the time, 0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:54.279 it's no longer relevant. Yeah, And we'd still be doing 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:56.960 that today if we hadn't. Well, we wouldn't because the 0:50:56.960 --> 0:51:00.279 bears will be gone, but and they were for a time. 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:04.960 They were in Arkansas. Okay, closing comments here, Dan, I'm 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.160 gonna throw this horn to you and you'll get to speak. 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.640 Just what do you think I'm gonna say? Overall? It's 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:19.359 the podcast is solidly mediocre. Um no, no, no. I 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:22.000 think what as I've been listening to them and really 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.080 enjoying them, I think, you know, when you think about 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:28.200 podcasts and stories, a lot of today's kind of stories 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:34.080 and podcasts either are really critiquing a part of life 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:39.520 and usually not a very beneficial way, or it's trying 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.120 to kind of escape life, you know as it is. 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:43.759 And I feel like what I really like about what 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:47.880 you're doing is I leave having listened to one of 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:52.160 your podcasts, and I'm thinking about how I see things 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.960 and how I relate with people and choices that I make, 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.879 and to me, it helps me feel more connected. It's 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.920 your insight. You know, you're gonning, You're gonna inside from 0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:04.480 unlikely places, and I feel like that is what I 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:10.080 walk away with. Yeah, I like it. I think about 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:14.040 where this all started with me and you, and we 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:18.560 were in Oklahoma on a bear bait and I was 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:23.040 running the camera and we've been sitting there for that 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:26.560 one day for a week. It seemed like and hadn't 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:30.839 seen a bear. And you turned away from me and 0:52:30.880 --> 0:52:33.719 I was looking off back to the left. I was 0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:36.319 sitting on the to the left of clay, and when 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.680 I turned back around, you had taken mud and I 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:42.200 assumed water and covered your face and mud, and I thought, 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:48.799 how did I get here? I've carried forty pounds of 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.719 camera equipment on the side of this mountain in the 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:55.160 Washington Mountains, and this guy has just put mud all 0:52:55.160 --> 0:52:59.520 little I don't know what it was, but I thought, 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:04.799 this is this gal never go anywhere, But look what 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.080 you've done. Buddy. I'm very proud of you for what 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.600 it what it's turned into and the drive, you know. 0:53:10.640 --> 0:53:15.720 I say that facetiously about knowing you wasn't gonna go anywhere, 0:53:15.719 --> 0:53:19.000 and the drive you had has been outstanding. It's inspired 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.200 me to do a lot of stuff too, and I 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:24.360 just appreciate you let me come along for the ride. 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:29.799 Right on, man. Yeah, As as the non hunter in 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:35.160 the group, I think hearing the podcast and watching you 0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:38.360 tell people stories, I think it's a very powerful tool 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:44.080 to continue the legacy and culture and give people who 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:48.480 haven't had that exposure a correct way of seeing things. 0:53:48.800 --> 0:53:52.279 I think hunting, I think the Southern culture. I think 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:58.800 Arkansas has, you know, nationally not a good rep and 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.520 hearing the story is in seeing how you hunt and 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:06.239 it's being driven by principles and patterns and the way 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:09.640 that you you share, the way that you've been influenced 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:12.000 by your dad, the way that you influence your kids. 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:16.120 I think it's a powerful medium and tool to give 0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:22.120 people a cleaner, more pristine, more correct picture of hunting, 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:28.279 of Arkansas, of the South, of relationships, of of everything 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:32.560 that is built inside of a commodity that was once 0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:35.719 you know, valuable that is but is lost and so 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:39.280 bringing that back and giving giving people a better picture 0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:45.000 of that, I think is is awesome. Yeah, it's good. Well, 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:50.120 I think that I've really enjoyed the podcast, and uh, 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:52.719 I think just having known you for a lot of years, 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.759 I appreciate um. First of all, like Malick I said, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:00.840 I appreciate the relational aspect of of the podcast. I 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.200 think it I think when it all boils down to it, 0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:07.799 it's relationship that makes us rich and so to be 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.200 able to connect with people and to to draw stories 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:14.560 from people. I think storytelling and the ability to draw 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:18.400 stories out of people that that thing has been lost, 0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.279 um in a sense that that shows the depth of 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:25.480 what's been built in people over a long journey. And 0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:28.319 so I think to be able to hear that from 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:33.040 you who have a passion to to mind that out, 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:36.399 I think it's valuable for people to be able to hear. 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:40.000 And so I'm really looking forward to to the future 0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:43.840 podcasts and the things that I get to learn by listening. 0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:47.400 And uh yeah, I mean I think you eagerly await 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:52.120 being on the very grious podcasts, eagerly render, and and 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.080 I may might become so popular on the render that 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.960 I don't I don't need to be on the point. Hey, 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.359 this is look good for Edwards were passing to their horn, Dad, 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:05.280 What do you think then? Well, I hate to burst 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:12.560 your stinking bubble, but these guys are obviously on the payroll. 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:17.440 And I am really disappointed in you, Daniel. I think 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.640 you sort of have a spiritual religious background. And it's 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:25.640 it's obvious again that she hadn't been vaccinated against Lyne. 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:31.560 That's that's brist deal. I podcast. When he's talking about 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.799 But you know when I listened to it, I look, 0:56:34.880 --> 0:56:37.719 I look at it from a deadly standpoint. That's a 0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:42.120 new word. We'll take it. Uh. You know, it's just 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:43.839 like when you were a kid. You know, your brain 0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:46.440 is not totally formed. I mean, you miss about half 0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:50.400 the good stuff. It's like on the deal with the 0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:53.880 with the Dogs, I mean, nowhere did you mention that 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.080 the dog is your best friend? But why is he 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:59.359 your best friend? It's because he loved you first. He's 0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:01.799 the only animal that loves you more than him. And 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:03.560 I mean you didn't even cover that. I mean I 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:09.959 was embarrassed. It was embarrassing that you went into all 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:14.839 that rhetoric and didn't mention the love the dog has 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.200 for you. And if you look at life in the 0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.480 way I'm serious about the love, I think you can 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:24.400 detect that. But I only love people that love me. 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.240 And if they have the ability to show me that 0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:32.000 they loved me first, you know, they exposed themselves. It's 0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:36.440 it's like I'm open, vulnerable the words. Yeah, there you go. 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:42.120 So I mean that's that's a powerful tool, is love. 0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:48.320 And people that are have enough confidence to expose themselves 0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:52.480 to hate. And a dog does it immediately. Now how 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:57.520 that came from a wolf to domesticated dog? But it's 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:02.480 really powerful. But no, really, all these podcasts, they're different 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:05.400 in a lot that I've heard where you have a 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:09.120 lot of meat, a lot of science, a lot of humor, 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:14.680 all of it mixed up into a recipe that it's 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:21.479 pretty entertaining and education. So obviously I need to tune 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:34.480 your daddy. It's a solid six. Gary nucle gives The 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:43.240 Brigs podcast two stars. Okay, hey, I need people to 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:47.360 leave iTunes reviews on the Barrious podcast like so this 0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:54.000 is my unashamed solicitation for all our listeners to go 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:57.360 to iTunes and apparently that drives the needle on these 0:58:57.400 --> 0:59:01.680 podcasts with the higher ups, you know. So, uh, I'm 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:04.960 asking everybody out there do me a favor and just uh, 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:06.880 you know you can. You can do as little as 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:10.080 just giving it like stars. But the best thing to 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:11.880 do would be to leave a comment, you know, just 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:14.600 just say what you think. Um, that would help us. 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:19.400 And UM, I think my guests so much for being here. Really, 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.400 you guys mean the world to me, all of me, 0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:24.400 so that's why you're here. Uh. Check out Brent's podcast 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.320 Nightlife Nation. Brent's got a coon hunting podcast. Check out 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.919 Josh on Instagram, Kiki and the Beard Um nobody else 0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:37.480 has any like uh big social platforms. Yeah on the Twitter. 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:41.480 But again, if if you hadn't been paying attention, We're 0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:44.160 gonna do this every other week, So the bear Grease 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:47.920 podcast will come out every other week, the Bear Grease Render, 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:51.360 which is us just shooting the bull, and it'll be 0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:53.360 a different you know, it might be different, people might 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:55.920 be the same people. Y'all may never want to come back. 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:59.200 Brent drove three hours to be here. Did y'all know 0:59:59.280 --> 1:00:03.400 that Yerry drove to two and a half. Two and 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:09.040 a half. He'll never get those two and a half. No, 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.520 thank you guys so much. And uh yeah, I can't 1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:15.920 wait for the next episode. Keep the wild places wild 1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:17.800 because that's where the bears live and that's where you 1:00:17.800 --> 1:00:28.000 get barglaries. You know what, when Malachi left the house 1:00:28.040 --> 1:00:30.320 this morning, he thought he had the coolest socks on 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:39.920 Those are those are coon dog socks? Oh me, I'm crazy.