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Speaker 1: M. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called the bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. We're going weekly, guys,

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Speaker 1: and I want to explain this very clearly. The bear

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Speaker 1: Grease Podcast is a documentary style podcast that we release

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Speaker 1: every other week. We are now going to start releasing

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Speaker 1: on this same stream on the bear Grease Podcast what

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Speaker 1: we call the bear Grease Render. So every other week

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Speaker 1: you will hear a conversation between me and my buddies

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Speaker 1: where we do just what we said, render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna be hearing from us weekly from now on.

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Speaker 1: It's spend years since I've worked on it. It has

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Speaker 1: gotten pretty bad. Do you have a decent outhhood? Years

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Speaker 1: ago I started to get it, like, I started to

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Speaker 1: But it was in my truck. Okay, I gotta get it, Brent.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear your best out man, very nice. Hey, this

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Speaker 1: is the bear Grease Render podcast. Okay, this is the

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Speaker 1: Beargrease Surrender and the Bargrease Surrender. If this is your

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Speaker 1: first time listening to the podcast, the Bargrease Podcast is

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Speaker 1: a documentary style podcast where we explore all kinds of stuff,

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Speaker 1: all kind of interesting stuff, and have these documentary style podcasts.

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Speaker 1: We do that. We release those every other week, so

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Speaker 1: by the time this comes out, there's gonna be like

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Speaker 1: six Bargrease podcasts out. This is the Beargrease Surrender Boys,

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Speaker 1: and the Bargrease Surrender is every other week. So now

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Speaker 1: the Bargrease Podcast is weekly because every other week we're

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Speaker 1: gonna meet and have like a informal conversation that reflects

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Speaker 1: and dissects. Ah, that's good. We're gonna use that reflects

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Speaker 1: and dissects the Beargrease documentary style podcasts. Okay, we're bowling

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Speaker 1: a cabbage down. That's right, we're bowling the cabbage down,

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Speaker 1: chewing the tobacco thin as they say. So before we

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Speaker 1: the render is, I want to introduce my guests. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we are we are at the the global headquarters

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Speaker 1: of Bear Hunting Magazine and Meat Eater South. Okay, like that,

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Speaker 1: and uh I have. Really every single one of you

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Speaker 1: either the Bargrease podcast or in one of the guy's cases.

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Speaker 1: Not the Barghreas podcast, but my former Barony Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 1: I won't mention his name to my direct left to

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Speaker 1: who could uh, Brent Reeves could teach a doctoral level class.

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Speaker 1: He wrote this, This is Brent spio. No, this is

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Speaker 1: and ironically he himself as well, has seen in Arkansas

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know that I was there? You were

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Speaker 1: Once while in Vietnam. This is a this war story,

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Speaker 1: sidings are big otters, river otters, because a river otter

423
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: is black and you don't see him very much. And

424
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: if and they have big long tails, what do you

425
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: think of that? JAGGARUNDI there, all the guys are like

426
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: looking at their phones. Yeah, absolutely, I don't know about that.

427
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that at dark, Yeah, I can

428
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: see that if it's especially dark dusk, just like charcoal,

429
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: it looks like a mountain lion with a housecat's head. Yeah.

430
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that until you just said it.

431
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: See if that's what Gary heard? Does that look like

432
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: what you heard? That's not black? Well, but see the

433
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: sides panther. But so that could have been melanistic, Got you,

434
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: got you, got you so um. But you know, the

435
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: whole point of it was is that jaguars and leopards

436
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: can't have been documented as melanistic. The American mountain lion

437
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: has never been documented as melanistic, and so to see

438
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: a black panther would just be like, well they're not here,

439
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: so anyway, super fun. And guess what, I am the

440
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: biggest proponent of black panther in North America. When those

441
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: guys sent me that stuff. I'm like, heck, yeah, brother,

442
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: keep it, keep this thing alive. Yeah, keep it alive.

443
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: Long Live the Black Panther. I love it. Any further

444
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: comments on episode number one that was I can tell

445
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: you from a from like a creative standpoint, just kind

446
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: of like behind the scenes of that podcast. That was

447
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: the first party I built that podcast, like in January

448
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: or something. You know, it just came out like in April,

449
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: and I had all these interviews and had no idea

450
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: if they how they would stitch together to tell a story.

451
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: And when Phil Taylor and Mediate did it all put

452
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: it all together, and I had edited all the little

453
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: sections and put it together. Man, I was so excited

454
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: when I heard it. I was just driving down the

455
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: road and just listen to it, and I was like, Yes,

456
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: that is what I want to do with burglaries, you know,

457
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: like tell these interesting stories about rural culture and they're

458
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: not always gonna be about hunting. Like that pod didn't

459
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: have anything at all. I mean it was good because

460
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: it you know, it gave it gave a lot of

461
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: depth to everything. It wasn't just I saw this when

462
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: I was nine. Team. There was a whole lot of

463
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: a build up in basis to all of the all

464
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: the claims you know, and I witness reports, and then

465
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, somebody to set back an unbiased view and

466
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: look at all of it and say, you know, you

467
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: may have seen something, but the possibilities of it being

468
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, this particular color or that particular animal, you know,

469
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: it's you know, while not impossible, you know, highly improbable.

470
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: Did you just give you know, food for thought? Yeah?

471
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: And if by unbiased you mean Myron's section, I can

472
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: support it was far from Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know

473
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: what I really liked about it was, um, it kind

474
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: of made me And this is probably one of thost

475
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: naive things I'll say, but it just seems like when

476
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: when we weren't so detached from the land and from

477
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: wild places, that it might have been easier to trust

478
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: one another. When you talk about trusting your brother and

479
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: trusting your fellow man. When when the biggest you know,

480
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: argument or polarizing you know, one of them is are

481
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: there black panthers or not? Or are there mountain? Yeah?

482
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: You know, whereas there's so many things today in our

483
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: current age that just it just seems like it inhibits

484
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: that so much more that was thirty years ago, man,

485
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: almost And you know, I've never had an outlet to

486
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: even you know, tell that story where in any setting.

487
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: That was when you saw your Mountain Lions thirty years ago,

488
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: almost thirty years and your old friend Clay was the

489
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: only one who cared. He on the one that listened,

490
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: and then he tried to sell you some so hey,

491
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: so right here on that you got. This is a surprise.

492
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: You don't know what this is. That's a number three

493
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast was a shed horned buck

494
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: of nineteen dear dear friend James Lawrence. This is this

495
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: is the butck. This is okay. I refused to allow

496
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: him to give them to me. Man. I was at

497
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: James's house and this is before he had even heard

498
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: the podcast, and he just said take those home with you.

499
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: And he also allowed me turn around and look up here.

500
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: So on the on the ceiling of my office, there's

501
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: a picture of my dad, Gary Nucom with his first buck.

502
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: There's a picture of Steve Schultz, who's my father in law.

503
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: And there's a picture of James Lawrence back in the

504
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: mountains of Arkansas with a buck. And that buck that's

505
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: hanging on the wall is a buck that James Lawrence

506
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: killed on one of his big soul Low hunts back

507
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: in the seventies. Now, he killed that one in the sixties.

508
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: He was like twenty one years old when he killed it.

509
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Those three guys are my heroes. That's why they're there.

510
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: And those there's like sixteen by twenty frame pictures, And

511
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: what's so cool is they were all about the same

512
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: age in that picture. So, Dad, how old were you.

513
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: That's Dad's first buck. Oh, twenty six, twenty seven or

514
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: something like that, So you were you were older than

515
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: that when it was nineteen seventy eight. I'm just glad

516
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: you're thirty years old. Yeah, I'm glad he's wearing clothes.

517
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Well no, maybe, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't like most of

518
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: these listeners. I didn't start hunting until real late in

519
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: life because my dad was so much like Clay. You

520
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to hang around him and he'd kill you hunting.

521
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd go with him and it's like, come on, Dad,

522
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: it's time to go home, and we're just getting started.

523
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: I quit. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, So Dad started bo

524
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: hunting when he was in his late twenties. But you

525
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: grew up bird hunting and stuff with your dad. He

526
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of burned you out. Yeah, I had to lay

527
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: rules down when I got a little older that hey,

528
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: we're only going for four hours. So there's dad's picture.

529
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: And then Steve Schultz, my father in law. He was

530
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: a falconer and that picture was taking the late seventies

531
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: in Florida, and uh, he's Steve's had an incredible influence

532
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: on my life. And then James, who in his own

533
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: unique way has had a significant impact on was like,

534
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: but this this is the shed horn buck that he picked.

535
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: He picked up these sheds, those actual sheds are from

536
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: the sixties. Man, let's look great. He picked up these

537
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: sheds in in the early nineteen sixties. And actually he

538
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: told me that he made a set of rattling horns

539
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: at a one pair because he's got three sets of sheds,

540
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: but he can only find two. And this is actually

541
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: two different years sheds. I'm holding a left handler and

542
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: a right handler. So this was the buck the year before.

543
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: If you really dissected and held it, you could see

544
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: a difference in mass, in time length. This was the

545
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: buck at his prime. Okay, this is a left antler,

546
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: a five point side. People can go to my Instagram

547
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: and see a picture of James and me with these deer. Okay,

548
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: I scored this buck this side as a shed ten

549
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: twelve years ago, and I just remembered that it scored

550
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: around a hundred seventy. And that's what I said on

551
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: the podcast. I kind of got to not doubting myself,

552
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: but I was just like, man, I wondered that thing.

553
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I just kind of like to re score

554
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: that thing just to make sure you know I'm I'm

555
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: interested in the facts. Boys. Yeah, I scored this right

556
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: before you guys came, and that shed has eighty inches

557
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: of antler on it, which eighty inches would be eighty

558
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: times two, which would be one sixty plus the spread,

559
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: So this would have been a mid one seventies white tips.

560
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: It's deceptive though. It's got a twenty two inch main beam,

561
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: eleven inches, ten and a half, seven and a half,

562
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: five and a half plus two kickers plus you know,

563
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: four inch mass all the way out ends up being

564
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: eighty inches. So like, but this is that's the horn.

565
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: Here's to a to a non hunter, this is like

566
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: a prized if you were to kill this this buck,

567
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: this will be up None of us in this room

568
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: have ever killed a deer that big, much less how

569
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: many years ago in Arkansas? I mean, that's the that's

570
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: one of the big things that is the ecosystem in

571
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Arkansas that many decades ago. This was that set of

572
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: antlers might as well have been grown out right in

573
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: the middle of his hand, like a white tailed unicorn.

574
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: And after sixty years a hunting, they called you the unicorn.

575
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: N Is that what this is about? You wanted to

576
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: talk about my high school day? Is? Yeah? This is

577
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: you now? Yeah, so Malicho would be like just a

578
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: really nice white tail deer and uh, now, what what

579
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: do you guys think of? That podcast? Was great? I

580
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: listened to it again yesterday. You know what I I thought,

581
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: How wonderful was it for him to have that story

582
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: and that, you know, talk about I mean, say, with

583
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: the are there panthers or not? You want to be trusted,

584
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: You want to trust your fellow man. Basically none of

585
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: his family trusted him, you know. But then for you

586
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: to do that podcast and have all these conversations with them,

587
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: I mean that had to really I had to be

588
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: healing for him. It's kind of what I was taken

589
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: away from him. You know what struck me about it

590
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: was that he was not a mainstream hunter. He did

591
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: something different than everybody else. All the hunters that knew

592
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: how to hunt, had all the experience, were out running

593
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: dogs and James is sitting there going, now, I saw

594
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: a deer out here, and I mean he pursued his

595
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: own thing and and in a way if you know,

596
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't hunt bucks like that. I mean, it's just

597
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: too boring for me. So I'm not gonna kill deer

598
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: like this unless really heavy to carry out the woods. Yeah, yeah,

599
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: that's right. You've been with me when I picked a

600
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: little but anywhere I've had a chance to kill him

601
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: a deer close to that, but it didn't work. Anyway.

602
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: That's a great point. And see, the whole the whole

603
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: point of that podcast to me was that James took

604
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: something that was negative and turned into something positive, going

605
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: back to insight and unlikely places like that would have

606
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: crushed most people and and did Jane. I like, it

607
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: was a little bit tricky for me because James trusts

608
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: me so much. I feel like like he he would

609
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: just tell me whatever I asked him to tell and

610
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't question what I was gonna do with that information.

611
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: If you told him you'd seen a mountain lion, he'd believe.

612
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: He would believe me. He's never seen one. James Lawrence

613
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: has never seen a mountain lion. I believed the subject.

614
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: But like, there was some pretty pretty deep stuff there,

615
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: and I was drawing conclusions about like him, like that

616
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: impacted him in a negative way, But he didn't get

617
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: bitter about it. He and I said this before, he

618
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: is the guy that you want with you when you're successful.

619
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: So like he didn't go and oppress people even more

620
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: like he was oppressed. Like he just instinctively was just like, man,

621
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever let that happen one of my friends.

622
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: And you know one thing too, You take Malachi that's

623
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: not hunted much, and you kill a big buck. He

624
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: didn't even know it. I mean, those guys might have

625
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: come at that a little more honest than what we think.

626
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: It might not have been. I'm kind of jealous of

627
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: James for killing it. It could have been. I just thought, man,

628
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: we're out here for the meat. We're trying to survive,

629
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, forget the horns. I'm worried about my belly.

630
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, I can see that I think that makes sense.

631
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: So if you've got a group of guys who are

632
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: not hunting for sport and there's a socially accepted way

633
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: to obtain sustenance and he's going against the grain in

634
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the use and the quickest way possible, that kind of that.

635
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't feel like at all in the

636
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: podcast though, that his family were like demonized or anything.

637
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: But it makes a little more sense as to why

638
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why are they so unkind to

639
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: this kid? You know, why does some of the men

640
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: in his life come and be like, man, that's awesome.

641
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: That's where it was a little bit touchy and I

642
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: and I had to be careful and I actually asked

643
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: a few people before I said, do you think that

644
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: would hurt? Do you think? I mean, I didn't want

645
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: to disclose more than but but James is the one

646
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: that said it, you know, I mean, like he just

647
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: told his story and he was kind of he was

648
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of discounted. And that is also pretty normal too.

649
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like to kind of discount a kid when

650
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: they're saying something, and I didn't. And James has the

651
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: utmost respect for his family too, And you could tell

652
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: that at the first a podcast when he was talking

653
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: about his grandmother and grandfather, how much you respected them

654
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: and how they never said anything negative about anybody. Man.

655
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: That's that's that's James. But from from if we're talking

656
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: about the Burgaries podcast and kind of forecasting where this

657
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: thing is gonna go. These first six episodes I think

658
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: are all very diverse. You think about it, like we

659
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: explore this like folklore of the myth of the southern

660
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: mountain lion. Every podcast I want to have an expert,

661
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: like a biologist or an academic guy, or just someone

662
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: who's a subject matter expert. And then the ideas also

663
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: that we're interviewing in the field, people that have information

664
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: about the topic, like Brent and Dad's and mountain lions.

665
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: And then here Daniels said, Daniel's like waving his hand,

666
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: He's like, why what on the first now? And and

667
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: and uh, every podcast is gonna have kind of this similar,

668
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: similar structure, but all gonna be very different, like this

669
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: folklore about mountain lion, anabiology lesson, and then the next

670
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: one we're talking about the correlation between being a good

671
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: al hooter and a turkey hunter and talking about Colin

672
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Turkey's you did good man? Yeah, well you're getting there.

673
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: And and then the third podcast was the shed hornbuck

674
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two, which was just this guy's story.

675
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: And then the fourth podcast was Death of a Bear Hunter,

676
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: which was fantastic. Man meant okay, that one was a

677
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: historically based podcast about a guy in a book and

678
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: one single story of the book, but we painted the

679
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: context to the whole scene. You listen to that podcast,

680
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: you understand what's going on in the eighteen thirties in Arkansas.

681
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: You understand who gir Stalker was. You understand a little

682
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: bit about Native Americans that he was hunting with, And like,

683
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: what what do y'all think of that one? I got

684
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: a bone to pick with you on that. Okay, hold

685
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: this deer horn while you're doing it. Three years this

686
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: is a weapon. Okay, past the deer horn, if you

687
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: want to talk three years ago. Three years ago, you said, Brant,

688
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: have you ever seen this book? Yeah? That one? I

689
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: never heard of it. He said, you got to read it,

690
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: he said, And this is why I want you to

691
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: read it. This is three years ago, he said, I

692
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: want you to read this book. And when you get done,

693
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: you and I are going to do a podcast on this.

694
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: I heard him say it. I was there, so he's

695
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: I buy this book and I read this thing from

696
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: cover to cover. I can speak Germany. And then the

697
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: next thing, I know, when the podcast comes out of like,

698
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: I don't hear myself on there? That does That doesn't

699
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: even sound like. So basically I gave you an assignment

700
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: to do a book report and then there was no

701
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: never got a grade. It was absolutely It was incredible, though, man,

702
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: that that book. I sent that book to my brother

703
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: and both of my nephews. I think I've read it now.

704
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: It's incredible book. Yeah, I passed the horn. Hey, well

705
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: you read it too, Dan, Yeah, you read it years ago.

706
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: When I just told you the story, Well we were

707
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: on a bear hunt together and something had reminded you

708
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: of the story, and you, Clay retold the story and

709
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: the way that I remembered it was you. You got

710
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: to kind of the climax of the story and this

711
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: gentleman gets knocked out, everything goes black, wakes up, his

712
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: hunting buddies dead. I mean, it's just like just this

713
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: amazing story. I went and got the book and read

714
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: it and it was just fantastic. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

715
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: Well that that story has been on my mind for years.

716
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean that's the reason I told it. But we're

717
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: gonna replicate that into other podcasts with historical stories, and

718
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: I've already got some ideas that i cannot share. I'll

719
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: share what you got after this? Yeah, a few books

720
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: you want Brent to read? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Um what

721
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Josh your thoughts on that one? Well? I love that

722
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: one A couple of times. I loved the I mean

723
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: when you're when you're reading that story, you are transported

724
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: into the what is happening? And gay Stalker does such

725
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: a great job Josh, as German describing, does such a

726
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: great job describing the scene. It's like, who needs Netflix

727
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: when you got that? You know? You know, and you

728
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: mentioned this I think maybe on the podcast, but a

729
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: lot of the places that he talked about in that book,

730
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: I've been, you know. It's it's it's between here and

731
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: where I live in Central Arkansas, up and down the

732
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: Little Red River. Well, you know it's I was serious

733
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: when I said on the podcast, I was offended at

734
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: people that I didn't know that story till I was

735
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: thirty years old. I'm serious. I'll tell you where about.

736
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: It was not in this country. I was in another

737
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: country reading a book in a hotel room, and I

738
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: had no idea that, well, I this this college professor

739
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: had said, Hey, there's some stories about Arkansas bear hunting.

740
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: There's all I said, terrible marketing, Like the first half

741
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: of the book. The guy's not even Arkansas. So I'm

742
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like, oh, this is cool. I mean,

743
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's cool, but like I wanted Arkansas stuff.

744
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: And when I get to that story, I'm I'm not kidding.

745
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: I remember where I was sitting when I read that story,

746
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: and I was just like, holy cow, he was eventually coming.

747
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was. Well, no, no, I knew.

748
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: All I knew was that Arkansas bear stories. I had

749
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: no idea that it was just right down the road.

750
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why don't we know that? Why don't

751
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: they teach this in Arkansas public schools? Why? And like

752
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: just it's just and the and the truth is there's

753
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: stuff like that littered all across history. Like wherever the

754
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: people that are listening to this live, stuff happened right

755
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: where they live. Substantial Emory day, this guy hand him

756
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: the horn no in okay, going back to the insight

757
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: like Bear Grease can give you insight beyond what you

758
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: would have thought it would, is that I really have

759
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: had the question of why does that story impact me

760
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: so much? Like why? And and that was my exploration

761
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: inside of that podcast, is why do stories impact this?

762
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: Because that story has no consequence on my life in

763
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: a rational sense, like a guy got killed by bar

764
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: out here with dogs, but that guy's story has shaped

765
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: my family and it's just you know. And then and

766
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: then the conclusion was humans are massively impacted by stories,

767
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: whether you want to or not. And so you got

768
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: a choice of what stories you let impact you. Netflix

769
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: tells stories. That's what Netflix is in the business of

770
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: telling stories, you know, absolutely, and so like and and

771
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, you could say, well, Clay, why are you

772
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: letting a story about a English guy you didn't know

773
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: getting killed by bear you know, like impact your family.

774
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of aside from the point in that

775
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: it's like we we get that, we get to choose

776
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: what impacts us and how it impacts us, you know.

777
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: And I would like if Gerstalker had just been a

778
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: dirt ball that story, like like if he had just

779
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: been known as like an outlaw and like a scrupulous character,

780
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't have had respect. I respected the guy.

781
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: He did love people, like I said on the podcast

782
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: when he left Conwell's house, like these are people that

783
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 1: he had just met. He couldn't even speak their same

784
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: language that well, and he cried when he left Conwell's house.

785
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: He said, Conwell had hair as white as snow. And

786
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: he loved his family and he went into you know how,

787
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: he stayed with them and they begged him to stay.

788
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: And it's just like I like it. I like that guy.

789
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: And then and then just his insightfulness and and he

790
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: wasn't like a conservation hero, like I wasn't trying to

791
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: paint Gerstalker as a conservation hero. But he did have

792
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: insight that the market hunting of the times of which

793
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: he participated in was unsustainable. And like so that then

794
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: becomes like a stamp on that story. And like when

795
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I think of that, I think of, man, will never

796
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: do that again. He was hunting bears in February in

797
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: Den's and it's like, man, that was really cool Wayne

798
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: doing that no more. I mean, there there are stories

799
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: in that book of them crawling into dens crawling in

800
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: caves with Litward. They call him Torches, but pine Kindler's

801
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: pine Kindling split climbing into caves, killing a sal bear

802
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: and then smacking cubs up against the rock to kill him.

803
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean like they were in the business of killing stuff,

804
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: and it's like that did happen. That's not good. It's

805
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: not gonna happen again. Because it happened, then, do you

806
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. It's like me like talking about

807
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: conservation based bear hunting, where we're highly selective and we're

808
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: trying to target these older mature males. That happened because

809
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: ger Stoker, he didn't know any better, was clubbing you know,

810
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: baby bears over there. I mean for a better term,

811
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: we listen. We have the right as humans to correct

812
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: our paths and learn from our past. It's like James

813
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: Lawrence redemption inside of something that was negative. Well, you

814
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: you recognize that that that is obsolete, and you have

815
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: to be able to recognize the obsolescence of that thing

816
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: and move on and say this this worked for the time,

817
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: it's no longer relevant. Yeah, And we'd still be doing

818
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: that today if we hadn't. Well, we wouldn't because the

819
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: bears will be gone, but and they were for a time.

820
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: They were in Arkansas. Okay, closing comments here, Dan, I'm

821
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna throw this horn to you and you'll get to speak.

822
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: Just what do you think I'm gonna say? Overall? It's

823
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: the podcast is solidly mediocre. Um no, no, no. I

824
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: think what as I've been listening to them and really

825
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: enjoying them, I think, you know, when you think about

826
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: podcasts and stories, a lot of today's kind of stories

827
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: and podcasts either are really critiquing a part of life

828
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: and usually not a very beneficial way, or it's trying

829
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: to kind of escape life, you know as it is.

830
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: And I feel like what I really like about what

831
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: you're doing is I leave having listened to one of

832
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: your podcasts, and I'm thinking about how I see things

833
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: and how I relate with people and choices that I make,

834
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: and to me, it helps me feel more connected. It's

835
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: your insight. You know, you're gonning, You're gonna inside from

836
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: unlikely places, and I feel like that is what I

837
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: walk away with. Yeah, I like it. I think about

838
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: where this all started with me and you, and we

839
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: were in Oklahoma on a bear bait and I was

840
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: running the camera and we've been sitting there for that

841
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: one day for a week. It seemed like and hadn't

842
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: seen a bear. And you turned away from me and

843
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: I was looking off back to the left. I was

844
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: sitting on the to the left of clay, and when

845
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Speaker 1: I turned back around, you had taken mud and I

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: assumed water and covered your face and mud, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: how did I get here? I've carried forty pounds of

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Speaker 1: camera equipment on the side of this mountain in the

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Speaker 1: Washington Mountains, and this guy has just put mud all

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Speaker 1: little I don't know what it was, but I thought,

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: this is this gal never go anywhere, But look what

852
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: you've done. Buddy. I'm very proud of you for what

853
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: it what it's turned into and the drive, you know.

854
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: I say that facetiously about knowing you wasn't gonna go anywhere,

855
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: and the drive you had has been outstanding. It's inspired

856
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: me to do a lot of stuff too, and I

857
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: just appreciate you let me come along for the ride.

858
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: Right on, man. Yeah, As as the non hunter in

859
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: the group, I think hearing the podcast and watching you

860
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: tell people stories, I think it's a very powerful tool

861
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: to continue the legacy and culture and give people who

862
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: haven't had that exposure a correct way of seeing things.

863
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: I think hunting, I think the Southern culture. I think

864
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: Arkansas has, you know, nationally not a good rep and

865
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: hearing the story is in seeing how you hunt and

866
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: it's being driven by principles and patterns and the way

867
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: that you you share, the way that you've been influenced

868
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: by your dad, the way that you influence your kids.

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00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a powerful medium and tool to give

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00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: people a cleaner, more pristine, more correct picture of hunting,

871
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: of Arkansas, of the South, of relationships, of of everything

872
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: that is built inside of a commodity that was once

873
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: you know, valuable that is but is lost and so

874
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: bringing that back and giving giving people a better picture

875
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: of that, I think is is awesome. Yeah, it's good. Well,

876
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: I think that I've really enjoyed the podcast, and uh,

877
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: I think just having known you for a lot of years,

878
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: I appreciate um. First of all, like Malick I said,

879
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate the relational aspect of of the podcast. I

880
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: think it I think when it all boils down to it,

881
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: it's relationship that makes us rich and so to be

882
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: able to connect with people and to to draw stories

883
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: from people. I think storytelling and the ability to draw

884
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: stories out of people that that thing has been lost,

885
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: um in a sense that that shows the depth of

886
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: what's been built in people over a long journey. And

887
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: so I think to be able to hear that from

888
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: you who have a passion to to mind that out,

889
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: I think it's valuable for people to be able to hear.

890
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: And so I'm really looking forward to to the future

891
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: podcasts and the things that I get to learn by listening.

892
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean I think you eagerly await

893
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: being on the very grious podcasts, eagerly render, and and

894
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I may might become so popular on the render that

895
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need to be on the point. Hey,

896
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: this is look good for Edwards were passing to their horn, Dad,

897
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: What do you think then? Well, I hate to burst

898
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: your stinking bubble, but these guys are obviously on the payroll.

899
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: And I am really disappointed in you, Daniel. I think

900
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: you sort of have a spiritual religious background. And it's

901
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: it's obvious again that she hadn't been vaccinated against Lyne.

902
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: That's that's brist deal. I podcast. When he's talking about

903
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: But you know when I listened to it, I look,

904
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: I look at it from a deadly standpoint. That's a

905
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: new word. We'll take it. Uh. You know, it's just

906
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: like when you were a kid. You know, your brain

907
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: is not totally formed. I mean, you miss about half

908
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: the good stuff. It's like on the deal with the

909
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: with the Dogs, I mean, nowhere did you mention that

910
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: the dog is your best friend? But why is he

911
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: your best friend? It's because he loved you first. He's

912
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: the only animal that loves you more than him. And

913
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean you didn't even cover that. I mean I

914
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 1: was embarrassed. It was embarrassing that you went into all

915
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: that rhetoric and didn't mention the love the dog has

916
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: for you. And if you look at life in the

917
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: way I'm serious about the love, I think you can

918
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: detect that. But I only love people that love me.

919
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: And if they have the ability to show me that

920
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: they loved me first, you know, they exposed themselves. It's

921
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: it's like I'm open, vulnerable the words. Yeah, there you go.

922
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's a powerful tool, is love.

923
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: And people that are have enough confidence to expose themselves

924
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: to hate. And a dog does it immediately. Now how

925
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: that came from a wolf to domesticated dog? But it's

926
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: really powerful. But no, really, all these podcasts, they're different

927
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: in a lot that I've heard where you have a

928
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: lot of meat, a lot of science, a lot of humor,

929
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: all of it mixed up into a recipe that it's

930
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:21,479
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining and education. So obviously I need to tune

931
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: your daddy. It's a solid six. Gary nucle gives The

932
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: Brigs podcast two stars. Okay, hey, I need people to

933
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: leave iTunes reviews on the Barrious podcast like so this

934
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: is my unashamed solicitation for all our listeners to go

935
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: to iTunes and apparently that drives the needle on these

936
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: podcasts with the higher ups, you know. So, uh, I'm

937
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: asking everybody out there do me a favor and just uh,

938
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: you know you can. You can do as little as

939
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: just giving it like stars. But the best thing to

940
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: do would be to leave a comment, you know, just

941
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: just say what you think. Um, that would help us.

942
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: And UM, I think my guests so much for being here. Really,

943
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: you guys mean the world to me, all of me,

944
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: so that's why you're here. Uh. Check out Brent's podcast

945
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Nightlife Nation. Brent's got a coon hunting podcast. Check out

946
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: Josh on Instagram, Kiki and the Beard Um nobody else

947
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: has any like uh big social platforms. Yeah on the Twitter.

948
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: But again, if if you hadn't been paying attention, We're

949
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna do this every other week, So the bear Grease

950
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: podcast will come out every other week, the Bear Grease Render,

951
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: which is us just shooting the bull, and it'll be

952
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: a different you know, it might be different, people might

953
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: be the same people. Y'all may never want to come back.

954
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: Brent drove three hours to be here. Did y'all know

955
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: that Yerry drove to two and a half. Two and

956
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: a half. He'll never get those two and a half. No,

957
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. And uh yeah, I can't

958
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: wait for the next episode. Keep the wild places wild

959
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: because that's where the bears live and that's where you

960
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: get barglaries. You know what, when Malachi left the house

961
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: this morning, he thought he had the coolest socks on

962
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: Those are those are coon dog socks? Oh me, I'm crazy.