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Speaker 1: Love game Game.

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Speaker 2: It presents conversations with a legend. Around here, we hustle

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Speaker 2: for living around here.

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Speaker 3: Around here, we ground for a living.

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Speaker 2: Around here, we hustle for living around here.

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Speaker 3: Around here, we grunning for a living. Welcome into another

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Speaker 3: exciting edition of That's Your Mama, ran By yours truly

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Speaker 3: his son Na. It's up on. Game presents conversations with

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Speaker 3: a legend and I got my man the myth. Yes

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Speaker 3: he is the legendary Simeon Rice Man, appreciate you coming in,

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Speaker 3: stopping by, giving a little bit of time.

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Speaker 2: Good brother, I had to my my, my, my fellow,

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Speaker 2: big tim Bro and stage finance.

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Speaker 1: Why not, indeed, why not?

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Speaker 3: I mean one of one of the greatest greatest defensive

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Speaker 3: players players of all time, especially our generation, up for

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Speaker 3: up for the NFL Hall of Fame. I'm calling it.

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Speaker 3: I hope you get it. I'm certain you're going to

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Speaker 3: get it at some point. But this this this podcast

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Speaker 3: is not about talking about the football aspects of things.

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Speaker 3: This is more so about where where you are in life,

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Speaker 3: the things that you're doing to bring attention to lessons

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Speaker 3: that you operate under based upon you know, when we

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Speaker 3: that's what Up on Game presents is with conversations with

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Speaker 3: a legend. So let's start right here. Know you're from Chicago,

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Speaker 3: ended up playing your ball, born and raised. I know

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Speaker 3: you played your ball at Illinois. Is a fighting at

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Speaker 3: Lin nine man, one of the dopest defenses, you know,

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Speaker 3: with Dana Howard, yourself, cav Hardy, I mean, just who's

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Speaker 3: football players, that that level of accomplishment and expectation. How

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Speaker 3: did that play a part and in your career to

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Speaker 3: start off with, like, because Chicago people know Chicago hard knows.

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Speaker 3: So how how did that play into your mindset and

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Speaker 3: just how that that led into you know, your college

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Speaker 2: Now when you say that, I like answer specific question.

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Speaker 3: Sure, how far from Illinois did you grow up?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, for me, it was it was it was

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Speaker 1: To go to Illinois.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to go to I wanted to go to

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Speaker 2: I want to play Michigan. Yeah, so that's how that happened.

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Speaker 2: And I was a running back, you know, so a

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Speaker 2: lot of things that kind of like transformed itself. But

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Speaker 2: I would say more of the transformative years with me

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Speaker 2: he was our quarterback, but he was a second stream

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we went state all four years.

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Speaker 2: They were dedicating all these these moments that they were

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Speaker 2: Up getting Louisville louis I went in to visit Louisville.

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Speaker 2: I went in and I was like, you gonna let

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Speaker 2: Boston College and uh, coach, what was coach your coach? Us? Right?

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Speaker 2: And see when I went on campus, I went wow.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what red shirt mean. I just thought

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Speaker 3: Again, you you've been I mean, obviously I didn't really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from Illinois, going to Illinois and we're

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Speaker 2: back at you, like, Yo, what's the man you played with?

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Speaker 3: I mean, y'all were supposed to win. They we came

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Speaker 2: So looking back though, I'm like, all right, Penn State

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Speaker 2: wrecking shop and they like me just like you. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: They'll see you freak over the line, you know, if

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Speaker 3: That was our deal. That was But y'all set the tone.

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Speaker 3: You calf hardy, y'all. Y'all set the tone. Yeah, y'all

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Speaker 2: And I met and I said, I met Jackie Chann

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Speaker 3: Comes out pretty easily right now though, Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: And I'll be there for a But I'm shadowing. I'm

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Speaker 2: Because I really learned to get it. Yeah, I really

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Speaker 3: I got all that other stuff you do, like I

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Speaker 2: As you can get in the door, LeVar Arrington is

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Speaker 2: People want to talk about your past Laurels, all the

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Speaker 2: So I enrolled in film school and went to New

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Speaker 3: You have the ability to fund to hire.

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Speaker 3: Football is not motivating me, and it's like Ruol's over here.

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Speaker 2: what I mean, if we need the ferrari, if we

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Speaker 2: I did it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and the title was Sully Sully.

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Speaker 2: And when I was first pitching this, I was pitching

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Speaker 2: And I met with some of the Hollywood elites and

441
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,639
Speaker 2: they loved the story and they was like, yo, you

442
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: wrote this. They could they act like they was acting

443
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 2: like I copied off somebody work.

444
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, Yeah.

445
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 2: But the first thing I did that I had success

446
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: with where I was like, yo, we just sold that

447
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: was I partnered with Doug Ellen, who created Entourage, and

448
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: I sold a show called Harwood to HBO.

449
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: You know.

450
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: And I met with Doug Allen. First of all, I

451
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 2: met with his I met with another guy, Brian Shearon,

452
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: and this dude was so egotistical, so he was like

453
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 2: an ego maniac. I'm in Hollywood, bro, you lived there,

454
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: you know what. I we ain't Consula all right in

455
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: the sushi restaurant. So the meeting was set.

456
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: Up by my PR guy.

457
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: And they represent him as well.

458
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: And when I got there, I sat down at.

459
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: The table and I'm talking about this dude big timing

460
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: on another level. Wow, Like super big timing. But I

461
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: was so taken back that I found it entertaining, you

462
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So he was doing he was

463
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 2: doing two stories. He was doing a story on Plexico,

464
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: you know, coming out to the prison, and he was

465
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: doing this story I think it was with uh Bet

466
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: with Michael Vick. So these are two.

467
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 3: Controversial VI is my guy, you know what I mean.

468
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: First of all, but it's controversy. So I'm telling him

469
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: what I wanted to do in film, and it was like,

470
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: you like all these other athletes that want to be

471
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: in Hollywood and this and that, and he's very dismissive.

472
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm sitting down and he's being super dismissive and I'm

473
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 2: sitting here like I ain't never had a little dude

474
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: like this disrespect me.

475
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 3: This flex On Yeah bad though.

476
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 2: And I'm super bad and I'm laughing.

477
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 3: Athlete. I hate that. I hate what dude saying.

478
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: He did that.

479
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 2: So he's first you start talking about Flexico and how

480
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,640
Speaker 2: he started hisself and how he worked with flex doing

481
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: this documentary about this whatever TV show that Pat flex

482
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: had going up. So I'm sitting here like okay, And

483
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: then he started talking about vic and he was like, yeah,

484
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: I'm doing this thing with B E T with Michael Vick.

485
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: And so his getting his.

486
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: Start rising back to coming out of jail this and that.

487
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: I said, well, listen, bro, I ain't you know, I

488
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: ain't never been in trouble with the law.

489
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: You know.

490
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm hitting him with that, like I'm just trying to

491
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 2: direct and this that right.

492
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: And then he's like, so what are you gonna do?

493
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: I said, I got this story, I got this store.

494
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pulling off all my.

495
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: Bag, all the stories you've written, treatments that I've written.

496
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't want to do this. I don't

497
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: listen to I'm not gonna work with you.

498
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, man.

499
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: I was like man, and then I'm laughing, but I'm serious.

500
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, you're mad. Disrespectful bro. He goes on

501
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: the dude was crazy disrespectful. You guys don't know what

502
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: you're doing. You don't he talked about me. Then he

503
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: personally started with you guys as a blank slate, abstract.

504
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: Then he went to me like, you know, you just

505
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: want to be this and he don't know me. We

506
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: just meeting each other.

507
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: So I let him go on and on, you know,

508
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: and and and and then I couldn't take you my mom.

509
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: And keep in mind, we got Denzel and we have

510
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 2: the governor there at the time, Arnold Swarzenegger. He was

511
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 2: in the restaurant. This dude talked so crazy to me.

512
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: I damn near flip the table over and I stood up.

513
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: At this point, I don't give a fuck. I don't care,

514
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't live there, and

515
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: this ain't my world, you know what I mean. And

516
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm only.

517
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Here to get game.

518
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: And they said you was a good dude, but you

519
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: mad disrespectful, so fuck you, right, So I'm up on

520
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: my feet. I'm like, man, who the fuck you disrespecting

521
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: this and that?

522
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: And then he's like, you know, in.

523
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: The restaurant, the little waitress go away. I'm mad him.

524
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: Now, I'm like, bro.

525
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: I just showed you nothing but respect. You disrespected me for.

526
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Forty five minutes. I found it.

527
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: I was laughing at it at first because I wanted

528
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: to see how far you's gonna go, you know what

529
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: I mean. But I don't give a fuck, you know.

530
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: Then you know, now, all the all the ship that

531
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: has been born than me, since I've been a little

532
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: kid like talk to you like that yet, yeah, because

533
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, I don't give a fuck about none

534
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: of this ship now, you know this, this atmosphere is

535
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: way too diffrect.

536
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: Because people say you gotta be submissive for people to

537
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 3: want to deal with you in Hollywood, Like it's like

538
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: this whole thing.

539
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about submissive, but.

540
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 4: I mean really yeah, broh submissive like submissive, like take

541
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: take the way I'm talking to you, like, enjoy it, Sime.

542
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: And listen, bro, this is this is this ain't cocaine

543
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: in my bag.

544
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 3: This is a script.

545
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: Listen. You know what I mean. This is business.

546
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: Business is respect business. I'm gonna tell you this and

547
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna buy it for whatever the cost is.

548
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

549
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: You want to do business with me?

550
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: Yes or no? You know that's it.

551
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: You don't have to be disrespectful, you know what I mean.

552
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: He already had a preconceived notion of thought you were what.

553
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 2: It was he did. So what happened all the fellas

554
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: when I went off? He's like, listen, listen, calm down,

555
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry.

556
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

557
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: He apologize. You know, I'm like all right, Bro, I

558
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: didn't come there, Like Bro, we represented by the same person.

559
00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: I didn't come here.

560
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: I didn't disrespect you, you know what I mean. I

561
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: could have you small in stature, I could probably I know,

562
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: I could beat your ass. But I talk to you

563
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: like that, I'm not. I don't talk to people like that,

564
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I'm sure I'm you know,

565
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: this is what it is. So he's like, how about

566
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: if I do your favor, I can. He's like, I

567
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 2: have a roommate from college. You know who Doug Allen is.

568
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, he's gonna know who Doug.

569
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 2: I don't know him because I didn't watch Entourage at

570
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: the time. And then I was like, okay, let me

571
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: do my own, you know. And he's like he's a

572
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 2: executive producer of Authroorage.

573
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh damn.

574
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm gonna meet I'm gonna get you

575
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: him and I'm gonna and he calling at the table

576
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: and he's like, yo, I'm with me. I'm right, and

577
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: I was like, oh damn, just do something cool. And

578
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: then he's like, take my number and get me a call.

579
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: So I was like, damn, all right. He was like,

580
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: don't say I've never done anything for you.

581
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm all right. He's like, but I don't want anything

582
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: to do with it.

583
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: I said, that's what he told me. I don't want

584
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: anything to do with the project.

585
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: Bro.

586
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: So I talked to me and my partner. We're talking

587
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: the phone, a producer partner. We rolled together. I said, listen,

588
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: I got meeting with Doug. He know everything.

589
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: He live in.

590
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Hollywood, he's working as a producer out there. What student.

591
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: He's like, sim we gotta do this. We like, I'm like, bro,

592
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: how should we drive up to the set? He said,

593
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: here's the final shooting of Entourage, so we're going to

594
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: like the party the final week. So I'm like, how

595
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: should we drive up? Should we drive up in the Ferrari?

596
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: Should we drive you.

597
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

598
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: Because you gotta make presentations to these shoes, you know

599
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: what I mean? Like its authorage? So what's driver? What's

600
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: coming on with flex?

601
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: Look good?

602
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: He comes to drive up meet when first of all,

603
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: I called him and I was hesitant to call him

604
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: because of the guy met with. I'm like, I don't know, bro,

605
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: these dudes be way disrespectful, you know what I mean.

606
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: Like I'm not in the business. He got away with that.

607
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm not disrespect you know what I mean, like on

608
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: no level.

609
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know. He's like, just give

610
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: them a call. Give them call.

611
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: So I give him a call. And the dude was

612
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: a nice this dude ever he was. He was going

613
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: to his son's baseball game and like, I'm just giving

614
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: you Like he was annoyed. He was like, Yo, don't

615
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: going to my son's baseball game. I wish he was

616
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: here with you. Go. I'm like, damn, listen, do something

617
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: cool as hell, And he was like, yeah, it's the

618
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: final shot. Won't you come down. I'm like, really, yeah,

619
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: just come down. Let us let us know when you

620
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: want to come down. You know, we're shooting, we're going

621
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: to be wrapping up the show. But it'd be cool

622
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: for you to meet the you know, meet the cash

623
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: and everything. I'm like, all right, cool.

624
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: So I get off the phone. I'm like, Yo, do

625
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: jump in the car.

626
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: Da Ferrari, get picked up my man. We go down

627
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: to the set and then I'm still hesitant, like.

628
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: Man, I don't know, you know, Hollywood weird.

629
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: They'd be like, let's do lunch and never tell me

630
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: So I get there and keep in mind talking to

631
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: him prior, and he was like, everything.

632
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: Set for you.

633
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: So we drive up.

634
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm still leary, and then the person let you in

635
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: the gates was like, yeah, you're on you know the

636
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: guest list, all that sit down.

637
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: Then I went when we.

638
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: Got to set, I went and set with all the

639
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: extras just because I'm like, I don't know where to sit.

640
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then but he was like yo,

641
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: wave Inn, like, come over here.

642
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: And I sat in the director's chair and he's.

643
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: Like, look at this. Tell me what you think.

644
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, He's man, cool. So he goes, what do

645
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: you got for me?

646
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I got it.

647
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: I wrote this thing called Real Life Entourages and Super Celebrities.

648
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: It was it was like a playoff Entourage, but it

649
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: was like reality. And he's like I don't want to

650
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: do reality. I'm like, oh, that's cool. He's like, yeah,

651
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: what else you got? And I showed him another show.

652
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: A little Heartwood and looked at it and.

653
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: Then the kid that plays Turtle on the set came

654
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: over and he's like wow, what's He's like red Thud.

655
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I was like, you wrote this.

656
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, he's like, this is this is great.

657
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: He tells him. He's like, yo, come here.

658
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Kid comes over, reads it. He's like he's like, this

659
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Speaker 2: is my next show, and then he left the set

660
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes later.

661
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Speaker 1: He said, he reads it.

662
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes he leaves, and it's like, Yo, I'm gonna

663
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: call you in a day or two you and see

664
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Speaker 2: if HBO wants to buy it. I'm like, damn some

665
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Speaker 2: and my.

666
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: Boy with me.

667
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 2: We're sitting here and we're like freaking. It was that easy,

668
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like we and we wrote

669
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: it that night, like he was like, just write it.

670
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: Let's write something else in case he doesn't like this.

671
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's gonna like this, and he's like, what's

672
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: just right? So he wrote it that night. That took

673
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: us about thirty five minutes to write, you know.

674
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Speaker 1: What I mean.

675
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: But we made it Laminade. We made it look like

676
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Speaker 2: a real university. It was like it was about.

677
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Five young men that went to a like a like a.

678
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Speaker 2: What do you call not not a high major, a

679
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Speaker 2: mid major, and they blow up and they in Kansas

680
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: and all this and they become like the man and

681
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: you know, stimulate all of that. So he calls me

682
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: a week later and was like, Yo, uh hbo is

683
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: going to buy it. I couldn't believe it. I'm like,

684
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 2: we sold something, we sow the thought right, intellectual property.

685
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: We thought yeah. I was like, Yo, this is something to.

686
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: This, you know what I mean?

687
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: And then they then he called me six months later

688
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: it was like they just they just hired Spike Lee

689
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: to be the showrunner. Huh, I'm like, and I was like,

690
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: I wasn't excited about that because it was I didn't

691
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: want it to be it was gonna be cultural in college,

692
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: but I didn't want it to be that, you know

693
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I didn't want it to take on

694
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: this like civil justice thing, your social justice thing. I

695
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: just wanted to be a fun story about kids in college.

696
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, man, this is gonna be I'm not.

697
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: He's like, you don't sound happy. I'm like, man, and

698
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: he's like, they're gonna let you show run it to me.

699
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: You never show you haven't you haven't done it. I'm like,

700
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: but I know how this thing actually supposed to. Matter

701
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: of fact, So they bought it and he became a showrunner,

702
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: and that was it. You know what I mean, but

703
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: from there, I was like, yo, we could do other things.

704
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: So now I'm picturing a movie and he liked the movie.

705
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: I met with all these these officionados like we like

706
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: this script. We love the script, but we want to

707
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: we're gonna as it as you know, a white uh huh.

708
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, now she gotta be black. Because I

709
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: wanted a fish out of water concept. I was like, yo,

710
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: and I got full little sisters, and I'm like, they

711
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: need a hero type character. And I feel like this.

712
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Is a hero type character for something and put you in.

713
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: A role that most like girls wouldn't ever have, you know,

714
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: being like the soul's hero survivor of their own story

715
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with anything urban.

716
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: And I wanted to put a girl that was.

717
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: A former track female in a situation where she had

718
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: to think her way out of it and solve a

719
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: problem with their life, like a coming of age story

720
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: as well as being a thriller and suspense story all

721
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Speaker 2: in one.

722
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Speaker 3: Who so you get it done, it's bought. What was

723
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: the end result?

724
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: So like again I'm meeting with these with exact they

725
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: like it and I'm like, yo, what's up? And it's like,

726
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: you know it's being green lit, but it's gonna be

727
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 2: We're gonna change it. And I said listen and they

728
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: were like, you're not gonna direct it. So I'm like, yo,

729
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: I could. This is why I went to film school. Like,

730
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna write it. Now you like the writing,

731
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: you're not gonna let me direct it. I was like,

732
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it myself, you know what I mean.

733
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: So when I did it myself, they like, they liked it.

734
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just say that because I ain't gonna

735
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: put them out the because who knows I might either

736
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Speaker 2: use can't. But they were like, yo, we want to

737
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: reshoot it with a different cast, and I'm like, nah,

738
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put it out myself. They said, you're never

739
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: gonna get this thing in theaters.

740
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I get this, and I got.

741
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: Into two hundred and sixty eight theaters.

742
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Didn't do well.

743
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: I wish I wouldn't went that route. I shouldn't, but

744
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: you didn't the ego route. Yeah you didn't know. I

745
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: didn't know.

746
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yeah I should.

747
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Just that's what that's what we do. The lessons are

748
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: are doing. Some people get their lessons by some telling them.

749
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: People like us, we get our lessons by doing it, like, yeah,

750
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 3: I can't tell it.

751
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much resistance to tell me what I

752
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: couldn't do that. I'm like, and it's not about proving

753
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: them wrong. I was like, let me prove myself right.

754
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 2: You know, the highest level of actuality isn't about thinking

755
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: about anybody else. It's not about it. You know, when

756
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: we were younger, when I was younger playing football, I

757
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 2: want to prove this, prove this, proved that. Yeah, now

758
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: it's not doubt. It's just about proving yourself right. This

759
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: thing is, this thing is about self. This is a

760
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: self walk we got in this life.

761
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Anyway, the highest level of you know, of.

762
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: Thought is self actual reality. So you're not thinking about

763
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: anybody else in the first place.

764
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: Let me get this off you for This would be

765
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: my last question to you, because this is this is

766
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: a super important one, because I always want to have

767
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: in the records with legends this this answer for for

768
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: a perfect time and a perfect place. What on your

769
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: on your final moments or you cease to exist anymore,

770
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: what do you want people to say about Simi and

771
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: Rice at that point? What do you want your lasting

772
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: legacy to be.

773
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: M h. I think it's simple just that I was

774
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: a good person, you know what I mean? I want

775
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: I want those that experienced me to have that. Those

776
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: outside of my my spirit.

777
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't. I don't care. I don't

778
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: know how to care, you know. But within my.

779
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: Spirit, within the people my circle, I want those to

780
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: understand that he loved deeply. He lived with a passion,

781
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: like Simeon, Like there lives a man that lived with passions,

782
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So when I lie there

783
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: and my resting place and my body is there, but

784
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: my my soul is free, you'll know that was a

785
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: person that showed other people how to live with passion.

786
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: You know that's it?

787
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: Do Simi and Rice, y'all my filmmaker, he's the officionado,

788
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 3: all right, I mean, he's the mogul. I'm just I'm just,

789
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 3: you know, I'm in awe of the conversation. I think

790
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 3: that these are our conversations that are our guys need

791
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: to hear. You. You put your mind to it, you

792
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: go do it. You put your mind to it, you

793
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: go do it. Like the premise of your story, like

794
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: you you're telling all of these details. But do you

795
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: realize you had to get up and start the journey

796
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: to experience all of the things you just told us.

797
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: And that is so powerful. It's so powerful. There's so

798
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: many of us that just talk about it. I want

799
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: to be a filmmaker. Still sitting there, I want to go.

800
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: I want to go do this, still sitting there, to

801
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: get up and do it. This is what this is

802
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: all about, is to drive home the message Simme and

803
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: Rice wanted to be a filmmaker. He didn't take the

804
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: easy way out and leverage being a football superstar. He

805
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: went to school. He did it. He got the cameras,

806
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: they they wrote the scripts. They did it. That's the key.

807
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: You gotta do it. It ultimately comes down to win, loser, draw.

808
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: There's always going to be a win even in a

809
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: failure if you just do it. And that's just kind

810
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: of what it is.

811
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: If you have a successful mind, I would say this,

812
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: If you have a successful mind in terms of what

813
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: you were talking about, like a growth stock, if you

814
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: know who you are, like you're a football player growing up,

815
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 2: We all football player at one point we both play,

816
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: and you've risen to a level you have to have

817
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: a relapsing moment, and remember how you got there. You

818
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: know you gotta remember, Like, wait a minute, I remember

819
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: how I got here. It was I was willing to

820
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: sweep the floor.

821
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: That's right.

822
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: In order for me to cook the food, I gotta

823
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: be willing to sweep the floors in my own restaurant.

824
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: I can't be bigger than the moment, you know what

825
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: I mean.

826
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: Indeed, Simon Rice, this is my conversations with a legend

827
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: man up on Game Presents. Oh man, y'all been blessed.

828
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: Hey man all the way, real man, I appreciate you

829
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: taking some time out for us. Anything you want to

830
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 3: plug anything else? You want to plug any any websites,

831
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: any any Instagram.

832
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: Fall when yeah, send me on rights, Underscore, send me

833
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: on Underscore rights. But where I made my killing right

834
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: now is in blockchain. I was. I started two of

835
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: the biggest companies in the world right now in blockchain.

836
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: They did pretty well.

837
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: You know, Riot Blockchain and Carawall.

838
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: All right, Carawoof is a good baute right now.

839
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: But sure, y'all check it out. I'm gonna circle up

840
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: with you. Talk to me about it.

841
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: You need to. I'm doing victory last my dude, I

842
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: know that's right.

843
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: I know that's right. Keep living that, Drake, keep being

844
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: an example.

845
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: Man.

846
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: I appreciate you coming on