1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to STUFFMO 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: never told you protection of I Heart Radio's House to effort. 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: We have something pretty pretty special a little different today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: As you know, we've been trying to shout out listeners 5 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: and other people we think are doing cool things at 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the end of episodes and podcasts, pasting podcast which Samantha 7 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: has been spearheading, um, and we that kind of came 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: simultaneously with another topic we want to talk about and 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: a podcast that we shouted out because as we record this, 10 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: not as you hear it in classics sminty fashion of course. Um. 11 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: It is a Native American Heritage month November. I thought 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: we're a little closer all the time from now than 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: we have before. Yeah, we're closing in, although a little 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: better now. I think it's just our thing. Maybe maybe 15 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: we should just stick with it. Um. But this is 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: so confusing because we have the episode we're talking about 17 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: asn't published it, but you should have heard it by now. 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: Somebody we shouted out, um has an amazing podcast, some 19 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: kind of brown podcast. Yes, Natalie Evans is doing a 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: fantastic job with some kind of Brown. She's been on 21 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I think a year and a half. So what she said, 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: it's a podcast about multi racial, biracial and many multicultural 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: ideas behind and what it's like to be in that 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: life or in that moment. However, she identifies as Indigenous 25 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: Black Um and she is very, very obviously passionate about 26 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: indigenous and Native Um people and wanted to have their 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: stories told, which is I think it is very important 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: as well. And of course I mentioned a couple of 29 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: times because you know, I don't hear it often, but 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: she does include in a racial adoption as a part 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: of our conversation too, and loved that because and I 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: think I've talked about as often. I feel really confused 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: about my identity a lot of the times because my 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: identity is conflicting to what I grew up with with 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: who I am, my actual ethnicity, And so what she's 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: doing is just fantastic. And also she's looking into the 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus world and being inclusive, and I love all 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: of the things, and I feel like it's very much 39 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: in the spirit of smenting and what we want to 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: do and what we want to talk about. And yeah, 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: so when we saw her podcast, and I was very 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: excited about she was doing UM red November, which was 43 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: highlighting the hashtag m M I W or the missing 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: and murdered Indigenous women, and talking about those conversations and 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: trying to bring a lot more highlights than I know 46 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: you did an episode as well. So it just flit 47 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: in a line perfectly that we try to connect and 48 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: she was so willing and so we were so excited 49 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: to have her on the show. Yeah. And one of 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: the things we asked of her would be was to 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: talk about some some women famous, well maybe not famous, 52 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: but they should be famous Indigenous women, UM, that we 53 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: we all should know more about. And she was great adalyst, 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: Like how many I could go on and on, UM. 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: But we do want to say before we get into this, 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: just a general disclaimer, and we do mention this in 57 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: the interview, but history is tricky when it comes to 58 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean just in general honestly, UM, but also when 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: it comes to colonization in the United States, sources can 60 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: be hard to come by. And also UM pronunciations, Uh yeah, 61 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: because there's no source like today peek behind the scenes. 62 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: What I do. I go to a pronunciation website. If 63 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: it's not on there, then I go to YouTube. And 64 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: try to find somebody saying whatever it is that doesn't 65 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: necessarily exist for for the women, um that we're going 66 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: to talk about, so trying our best. Feel free to 67 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: write is if you know, Yeah, I feel free to 68 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: write in and let us let us know that us 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: give us a gentle correction. Um. But yeah, let's let's 70 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: hop into the interview. Ah. My name is Natalie Evans 71 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: and I'm the host of some kind of Brown podcast. 72 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: My podcast is mostly about mixed in my multi racial life, 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: cultural issues and current events that are going on, and 74 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: exploring what it really means to my multicultural or multi 75 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: racial sometimes bi racial ethnic background isn't what that really means. 76 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: So we cover everything from reconnecting the cultures to accepting 77 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: some of the negatives or how to deal with things 78 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: like you know, the normal things like people putting their 79 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: hands in your hair and not having boundaries. It's there's 80 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: a lot of things that kind of fall under under 81 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: that umbrella. But for me specifically, I am reconnecting with 82 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: my native Indigenous side, so I get to document that 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: through the podcast and it led to my Red November projects, 84 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: which I think is probably found me and what we're 85 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: talking about today right, and could you explain a little 86 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: bit about your Red November project, because yes, that is 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: one of the things I was like, Oh, this is awesome. Uh, 88 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: The November is an actute passion project for me. It's 89 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: something that I wanted to do since I started. I 90 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: said that, like, I've had a podcast for a long time. 91 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: I had it for a year and a half. But 92 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: it is a series that focuses on the m M 93 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: i W or Missing a Murdered Indigenous Women, Girls two 94 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: Spirit people movements, and it kind of approaches this systemic 95 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: problem from the angle of different Native, non binary and 96 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: women in our different perspectives. I talked to people from 97 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: all different walks of life and how it affects us 98 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: and some of the problems when we're looking at the 99 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: end my W movement went so necessary, and the fact 100 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: that we can't find any information on the women who 101 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: are missing, and the fact that we very very rarely 102 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: do any of these cases or women get any kind 103 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: of publicity. It's something that's very painful and something that 104 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: is slowly coming to light. And then really excited to 105 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: see that people are listening. Awesome, UM, and we have 106 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: you on here today because I would say the work 107 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: that you do is fantastic and important, and we wanted 108 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: you to kind of have a platform here with us 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: to talk to us about these different fights. I guess 110 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: is what the best way we can put it? UM 111 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: and movements that you guys are you are specifically pushing 112 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: through and trying to get noticed for, which is aesome 113 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: in your own podcasts which try to highlight um, the 114 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: different cultures as well as the difficulties and the issues 115 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: of being multiracial, biracial, all those things. And you had 116 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: even included UM international adoption, which applies to me. You know, 117 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: it's very excited to see that, which we highlighted your 118 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: podcast on well episode that's coming that we haven't published 119 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: yet but has already recorded there exist publicly, I didn't 120 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: acknowledge it's happening. UM. So today I asked you to 121 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: come on because it is UH Native American Heritage Month 122 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: as we record that as we're recording, because yeah, by 123 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: the time this is published is over, we're a little late. 124 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: But to talk about it always good to talk about, yes, 125 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: as we should UM. And so you came on and 126 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: you actually sent us a giant list which I love, 127 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: UH with the things that you want to talk about 128 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: people you want to talk about, so let's go ahead 129 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: and get started. Yeah, okay, all right. You told me 130 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: that originally you were thinking about talking about historical Native figures, 131 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: particularly women or two spirit people and do you say 132 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: massive lists, But this is just a tiny, tiny, little 133 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: list of amazing women that you can look into. In 134 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: a lot of Native Native cultures, women are kind of 135 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: the bear bearers of tradition. A lot of these women 136 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: who stand out in history were also warriors. Most of 137 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: the tribes are not gillennial, which means that plans and 138 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: traditions have passed down from the mother. It's something that 139 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: was very women were very equal or sometimes a little 140 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: higher in certain tribes. But as colonization and the boarding 141 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: schools and residential schools tried to westernize the culture, that's 142 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that kind of leaked in what 143 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: is being worked on out the Colardine is Showny Confederacy 144 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: or the Iroquois Confederacy. They are probably one of the 145 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: most matrimonial groups that I've heard of as a group 146 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: of nations. They just have more female led traditions. What 147 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: was what are some of those traditions. One of them 148 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: like I said, is clans passed down from the mother. 149 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 1: So if your mother was born in one plan and 150 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: the fathers and another, the mother's fans kind of like 151 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: last names with different They also have a lot of 152 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: medicine as a lot of women who are famous for 153 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: being medicine women's So those are two of the biggest things. 154 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: Women as leaders and warriors and mothers. That's just a 155 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: very revered position in Native culture. So yeah, let's go 156 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: ahead and talk about some of these women. You're right, 157 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: it's not a very vast last list. It should be 158 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: way way way more. There are obviously way way way more, 159 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: But for her time and purposes, let's start with some 160 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: of the big figures and names that you want to 161 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: talk about. Okay, we have to Purrina Buffalo calf Road, 162 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Woman's Perna Elizabeth want to make her. Of course, I 163 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: can't pronounce the for a Trovic. The Polish sounding name 164 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: was all the names I could not find the plantation 165 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: of her thinking names, so unfortunately can't say that one 166 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: as Tish Callista and Madonna studer Hawk. They're all from 167 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: different groups, and actually two of them on opposite side, 168 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. But Toy Parina is there 169 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: for person on my list, and she is of the 170 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: tongue of the tribe located in the Los Angeles basin. 171 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: And there's a little bit of controversy over what the 172 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: tribe is called, because once they're not nationally recognized, and 173 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: two the government called the tribe something else. It's been 174 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: very interesting. Colonization is a problem for records. But she 175 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: was a medicine woman who opposed Spanish rule. When she 176 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: was nine the Spanish colonizers invaded. It is colonized. There's 177 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: too strong words. I don't know, okay, uh, I don't 178 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: like to call it. There's a group of people who 179 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: are using colonizers to talk about current people, and I 180 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: think that's a little too harsh of a narrative. We're 181 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: trying to talk about inclusivity and awareness and education. But 182 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: these are actual colonizers. So little colonizer good, okay. They 183 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: made it their goal, of course, to convert the people 184 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: and erased their cultural practice days. I'm sure at the 185 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: like four pages and everyone's history books makes it clear 186 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: why the pornies of Americans needed to learn the Western Way, 187 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: and any attempts to this assimilation or conversion resulted in 188 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: our speeding torture and they seeven be killed. Things reached 189 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: they're breaking point when traditional dances were banned and toy 190 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: print and helped unite six villagers to attack the San 191 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: Gabriel Mission. Even though their attacks failed, toy Prina was 192 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: seen as a witch. She was just died in the end. 193 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: She was baptized and exiled. I can only imagine against 194 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: her will. But she is still a figure of bravery 195 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: and leadership and very celebrated. There's a play based on her. 196 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: According to the research I found, there is a play 197 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: about her life. Um, and that was not surprising. Yeah, 198 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: premiered at the San Gabriel Mission Playhouse in and towards 199 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: California in um and also apparently there's a short film 200 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: about her life and a book called Zoro has an 201 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: homage to her by Isabelle Allende Allende. Yes, yeah, so, 202 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: um she's not someone unfortunately I had never heard of 203 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: her both right, I haven't either. But I like that 204 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: there's increasing awareness about about her and that there's this 205 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: art being made about her. I have seen a lot 206 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: of artworks that are that have been made in that 207 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: I think. Unfortunately, unless you're looking for her, mostly good 208 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: people in Los Angeles based in or in that area 209 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: no occur. And that's about it, um, which is the 210 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: case sometimes. But I don't know all of these women. 211 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: Their stories are like their steet. You read about them. 212 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you feel a bunch of pride 213 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: from reading about their strengths and the things that they 214 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: were able to do. But at the same time, we 215 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: kind of know how this story goes. Yeah, and it's 216 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: much just been a romanticize. The truth of the matter is, 217 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty horrifying, the narrative in it. All right. So 218 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: the next woman you had on your list with Buffalo 219 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: calf Road Woman, which is an intense name, and that 220 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: is their only name, it is. There is a her 221 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: name in Northern Cheyenne. I can't I couldn't find how 222 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: to pronounce it. But she is of the Northern Cheyenne tribe. 223 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: And if you've heard of the battle a little big 224 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: born m I don't know, but um me a differing 225 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: in the n spool. So I'm fancy, super fancy, super fancy. Uh, 226 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, you should have heard about the blow cast 227 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: bread Woman. If you don't know by name, you probably 228 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: have heard of Lieutenant Colonel fluster. Yeah yeah, I don't really. Yeah, 229 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: so even if you're on the bottle, you know him. 230 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: And she was the one who knocked him off of 231 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: his course before he died. Wow, I shouldn't be proud 232 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: of that, but I kind of am. Come on now 233 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: that I should celebrate anyone's death. Well, this is not 234 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: actually her first displaced prowess as a warrior. She also 235 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: fought in the Battle of the Rosebud, and the Cheyenne 236 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: called the battle the battle with the Woman saved her brother, 237 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: I believe, because they were losing and her brother, the 238 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: chief comes in Sight, was injured and she's turned her 239 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: horse around gallop both felt the deep of the fighting 240 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: and saved her brother. The Lakota and Cheyenne, who are 241 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: fighting together joined forces under crazy Horse, were inspired by 242 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: her bravery and turned around and won the battle a 243 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: little big horn. She also fought alongside her husband's black Coyote, 244 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and after the battle, she and her family were captured, 245 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: unfortunately and relocated. But like she's another woman who's fighting 246 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: spirit is an inspiration for some of us Native women 247 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: and people in general. She's such a boss. She went 248 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: through all these things, she fought in these battles it. 249 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: She proved her prows warrior and her husband Ryle and jail. 250 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: She died from diphtheria or malaria. We're not sure which, Like, 251 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: after everything she's been through, that's going to take her 252 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: down really, But I mean this kind of sounds about 253 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: right as you come through that type of colonization and 254 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: and the diseases that was brought by those types of people. Um, 255 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: that had actually killed a many of tribes and many 256 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: of indigenous people at that point in time. And it 257 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: is sad, but you know, she couldn't be taken down 258 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: outside of a force of nature. I guess it's sad. 259 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: But also if you look at it, no, no person 260 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: put it down exactly. She was too strong for people 261 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: to put on. Its too strong for the individual man. 262 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it couldn't be done by man. So 263 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: other happens deep, Oh my god, totally totally unrelated. But 264 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: my brain immediately went to Lord of the Rings. Yes, okay, 265 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: we like that reference. Go ahead, go ahead with a reference. 266 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: Because one of the leaders of the Black Writers couldn't 267 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: be killed, couldn't be killed by a man, and was 268 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: killed by a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the way, 269 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm no man, okay, so good, it was good. Don't 270 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: get us off track myself like that. Loves and classics, 271 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: lorings come on, so going on. So it's Elizabeth Wanna 272 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: Maker Paratrovich. I literally looked up more of the native 273 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: print stations of their names than I did on that one. 274 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: So we'll just say Paratrovich, which is not fair. I 275 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: don't know. I preferred to call people by their indigence 276 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: for native names. Understanding understandable. She is part of the 277 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: Linkett tribe and someone can at me and if I do, 278 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm pronounced them that wrong because it felt completely differently. 279 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: But they're in Alaska. She was adopted at a young age, 280 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why I really wanted to 281 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: use her name her original print name, is because she 282 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: only got the name Elizabeth Wanta Maker after she was adopted, 283 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: which kind of makes my heart out of that whole 284 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: eraser thing. And she gained that wonderful is it polish? 285 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea last name from her husband, Roy, 286 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: but they were both Native and they became the grand 287 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: President of the Alaska Native Brotherhood and Sisterhood, and they 288 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: eventually moved to Juno and we're confronted by the no 289 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: natives allowed buying all over the uh there's some siens 290 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: say no dogs and no natives, like excuse me, so frustrating. 291 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: But Elizabeth's progressed and was determined to bring change. So 292 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: she directed and presented the Anti Discrimination Act, and it 293 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: was the first shot down and she in that teen three, 294 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: I believe, and she reads to put it before or 295 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: the Senate in nineteen and just to kind of paint 296 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: a picture of what she was like, I kind of 297 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: has to say a quote from someone who's not very nice, 298 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: so to give you a picture of the kind of 299 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: discrimination that needs faced in Alaska, senator event, Senator Allen 300 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: has it felt comfortable enough to say and a quote. 301 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: Far from being brought close together which will results from 302 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: this act, the racist should be kept further apart. He said, 303 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: who are these people, barely out of savagery who want 304 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: to associate with us? White? Was five thousand years of 305 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: recorded civilization behind us? Oh my god. Her response to 306 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: that was was kind of amazing to Sander Allen. She said, 307 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: I would not have expected that I, who am barely 308 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: out of savagery, wouldn't have to remind gentlemen, was five 309 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: thousand years of recorded civilization behind them of our bill 310 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: of rights. Yeah, yeah, she testified last in defense of 311 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: the act, and whatever she said, she was able to 312 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: move the entire assembly. Some people said that there was 313 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: cheers everywhere and certain ovation and her work resulted in 314 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: Alaska being the very first date to pass INTI discrimination legislation, 315 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: but did pass in that's amazing, that is amazing. Yeah, 316 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: we have some more women we want to talk about listeners, 317 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: but first we have a quick break for a word 318 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. Let's 319 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: get into the interview to put that into perspective. We 320 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: didn't really have remember were joining from themself Arkansas specifically, 321 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: we had segregation filled the seventies, right, So yeah, this 322 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: this act was very ahead of it time. Right. Oh yeah, 323 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: it looked like and Annie had put in here that 324 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: it would have been nearly twenty years before the federal 325 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: civil rights side would be passed, as well as fourteen 326 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: years before Alaska would become a state, which is phenomen 327 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: minal timing that she was able to push that hard 328 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and get that accomplished. Yeah, she obviously had some kind 329 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: of gift of word speech, because she was able to 330 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: move people who were so set in their ways of 331 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: thinking of progress or ways of looking at Native people 332 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: that they would pass this after it had bedn't failed. 333 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: So I don't know what kind of magical words she used, 334 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: but we need to imagine right now. Yes, for a 335 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: few reasons. For a few reasons. Uh. Yeah, And I 336 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: read that the United States meant will have a one 337 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: dollar coin featuring her, So, oh I didn't hear that. 338 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: That's exciting. It was very exciting. Looks like her son 339 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: Um sculpted a bronze bust in honor of her as 340 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: in the state Lobby of Alaska as well. So she's 341 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: a signal nificant portion to the history of Alaska, which 342 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: is beautiful. Yeah, did you see the um? We can 343 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: do it? What was that that ward time? Any derivat? Yeah, 344 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: she's They have one for her too, and I like 345 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: that one a lot. Oh yeah, that's awesome. That is 346 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: awesome saying that right, I could not find a pronunciation 347 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: for her name unfortunately, so somebody can correctice. I'm sure 348 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: somebody will hit me up on Twitter. I'm sorry, go ahead, 349 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: so U tish point for the point I'm going forward, 350 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: who is who are they? Well, as we were talking 351 00:24:55,119 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: about pollinization, pitch prosity. Yeah, this a kind of hard story. 352 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: But as Tish was one of the last satte or 353 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: two spirit leaders, and I think we're talking to you. 354 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned transgender, but to spirit isn't directly correlated to transgender. 355 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: It's the closest English term that we have for it, 356 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: but that's not exactly what it was. In Almost all 357 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: Native cultures had too spirit people. But you weren't just 358 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: a different gender than the one you were assigned at birth. 359 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: I say that because that's the term most accepted right now, 360 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: but often tinans. Gender wasn't really design in Native communities. 361 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: But you are something more if you were to spirit mhm. 362 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: It's uh. It was really a third gender beyond the 363 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: gender binary. And they were also given positions of leadership 364 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and we're highly who respected members of their communities. Tish 365 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: was the head of the Botte, the two spirit leaders 366 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: in her time. So we mentioned the Battle of the 367 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: road Side with Buffalo cath road Woman. She actually fought 368 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: on the side. Yeah. So that battle was between the 369 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: Cheyenne and Lakotas d on one side with Crazy Horse 370 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: and Buffalo cast Road Woman, and on the other side 371 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: was the Crow into Shawne people. So it was a 372 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: little a little weird to kind of read the different 373 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: perspectives in telling their stories, because on the one hand, 374 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: you have all this bravery from Buffalo cath Road Woman 375 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: and celebrating her for being able to turn the battle around, 376 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: and then when you're talking about Ostreet, they talked about 377 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: her prowess and bravery even though they love So it's 378 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: very interesting and as usual, it's about land. And there 379 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: was a graphic I saw the other day about how 380 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: just from seventeen seventy six you can see the number 381 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: of Native Americans and where they were allowed to be 382 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: just dwindle across the state, and it forced not only 383 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: neative people to fight against the colonizers, but also against 384 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: each other because their lands are being taken away. But again, 385 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: they Artist and the Crow in Shy lost and eventually 386 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: the crew were confined to a reservation. Unfortunately, at the 387 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: time there were a lot of missionaries and government agents 388 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: that kind of ran the reservations. That's not so much 389 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: the case anymore now to overeign nation have their own government, 390 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: which is another story at the time, but people did 391 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: not accept two spirits people. It is outside their sensibilities. 392 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: The nicest way I seem stay it. Yeah, So just 393 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: like in the boarding schools and the residential schools, hair 394 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: was cut off. Two spirit people were forced to wear 395 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: men's clothes and do quote unquote men's work. And in 396 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: the face of that, Ashtosh wore or neat dresses with 397 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: pride and when afric kind of work she did, she 398 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: always did, she did women's work. She was one of 399 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: the last two spirit people across all Native cultures two 400 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: be alive. It was effectively wiped out for the most 401 00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: part between boarding schools and residential schools and just people 402 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: dying off and unfortunately a lot of two spirit people 403 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: walked on before their trying. I think cans remonderous. It's 404 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: it's really hard to talk about these kinds of situations 405 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: because it's easy to get really emotional and go off, 406 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: but that's what you know, it's not going to bring 407 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: anyone back to life, and it's it's just really tough 408 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: to read about these situations. You just have all this 409 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: anger that has nowhere to go on, right, I mean, 410 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: obviously you're somewhere to go here, because it's true it 411 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: is infuriating to see that as a culture, what that 412 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: was accepted then was taken away from them because of 413 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: a bigotry idea of what is normal, which, of course 414 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: again we're having to come back to and have conversations about, 415 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: and we're nowhere near progressing, especially when it comes to 416 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: um as you say, the two gendered as transgender as 417 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: we know it, or that's the best this way we 418 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: can say identify with it. I guess that is still 419 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: such a fight to understand, bigger than the scope of 420 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: gender and being gendered in general. Yeah, And the really 421 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: hard thing is that even though there are a lot 422 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: of moves to revitalize cultural practices, a lot of the 423 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: information is a lot the body passed down. The two 424 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: spirit leaders passed out a lot of information amongst themselves, 425 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: And if they're all gone and nothing's written, what's they're 426 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: for us to revitalize? Mm hmm. So we have people 427 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: who are too spirit and those things that are kind 428 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: of becoming more acceptable again, But what's missing is the 429 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: medicine the leadership did, tradition that came along with it. 430 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: So like other things that Native people are trying to revitalize, 431 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: we can only kind of look at things as a 432 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: guide and then do what we can with it in 433 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: our in the scope of our modern culture. So this 434 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: is one of those lessons that we have to learn 435 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: and look back and make sure that history doesn't repeat 436 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: itself raising a culture or an idea or or people's 437 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: in general, which is infuriating and heartbreaking in all the 438 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,239 Speaker 1: same ways in different ways, I guess, says, but I 439 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: did read. So we are reading that the Crow tribe 440 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: did stand behind her um when she refused to conform 441 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: to the European roles that they were trying to place 442 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: on them. Oh, they absolutely before that and supported her 443 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: because she was a leader and they had already seen 444 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: what she could do. She more of an earned her position. Unfortunately, 445 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: later in her life she faced some kickbacks. When we 446 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: talk about the the residential schools and boarding schools, they 447 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: were there's really no nice way to say they were horrific. 448 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: People were brainwashed and tortured, and one of the things 449 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: that they did effectively was take a whole generation of 450 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: me Is people and make them feel inadequate or that 451 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: their practices were outdated. And that's still something we're struggling 452 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: with this day, because there's a generational gap between knowledge. 453 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: So you have that the last generation to fight, and 454 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: then the generations that lived and grew up through the 455 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: boarding school systems, and then our generation who's trying to 456 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: revitalize the tradition. And so a lot of people have 457 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: heard them talk about the try to talk to their 458 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: grandmother's about certain practices, and they're very resisdent. We don't 459 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: do that anymore. Not all people who went to the 460 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: residential schools and boy schools are like that, right under 461 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: that kind of psychological torture. I can't say anything about 462 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: the people who kind of changed or assimilated, because that's 463 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: just a survival skill you have. If you're going to 464 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: die or be tortured, you have to assimilate, right And 465 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: that's that is exactly what colonization was to bring the 466 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: shame factor. If there's only one culture that is correct, 467 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: and it is whatever the strongest or the most most 468 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: forceful culture at that point in time, which is absolutely 469 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: kind of this whole whitewashing of history for so many 470 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: cultures in general, and I mean whitewashing, and it is 471 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: it is a horrific thing that it brings on a 472 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: shame factor for those who have a different take or 473 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: different understanding and different culture on different background, which is, yeah, 474 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: you're right, this is unfortunate, and it's it's it's interesting 475 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: to take that here, that perspective from you about how 476 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: your generation is coming in trying to relearn, but you 477 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: are battling with the still stain factor from the past 478 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: generations that they were taught or they were tortured, or 479 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: they're forced on to them, which is, yeah, I've never 480 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: actually thought about that in the bigger picture. It's it's 481 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: very it's something that you don't seem normally, especially if 482 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: you're not connected to a native community. So some of 483 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: my friends are in Nupia in Alaska and they have 484 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: the traditional tin tattoos, and there are some women in 485 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: the community who are older who see it as a 486 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: bad thing because that's something they left behind. They evolved 487 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: past that now, but more and more women are getting 488 00:34:54,640 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: those traditional tattoos, and I think it's absolutely beautiful that 489 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: they're able to because it really came from I think 490 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: one book or one reported book about tattooing and how 491 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: they did it and what the different clans and people 492 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: have different patterns, and I guess that they're just kind 493 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: of building it up from there, right, And what you're 494 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: doing with bringing it forward and talking about the history 495 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: is also very very important, so we can see and 496 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: recognize the tragedy that happens when you oppress a culture 497 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: in the society and the history that is lost on 498 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: that as well. It's a good job, Natalie, I think. 499 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I am absolutely not an expert in 500 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: any of these cultures, in any of these specific types. 501 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: They're not mine any one on this list, first of all, 502 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: and second of all, I am Nick, even if I 503 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: am significantly indigenous, but I had to I'm having to 504 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: reconnect later in life anyway. And it's only because I 505 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: have two people who grew up within their cultures and 506 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: made actual steps to educate myself that I can even 507 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: speaking right, right, But I think what's and yes, there 508 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: are definitely a lot of experts out there, but coming 509 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: out and having conversations and and making sure people still 510 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: know or at least understand the bigger history is phenomenal 511 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: in itself. And also, yes, you definitely have a drive 512 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: which is beautiful to make sure, honestly, if anyone this knowledge, 513 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: this information is available to everyone, right, which should be 514 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: we should have more stuff on this moving on to 515 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: the next person. And I'm not sure I'm gonna be 516 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: able to say this name talk to me to thank you. 517 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure again, um idea. But she is are you? 518 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: Are you? But she was an advocate for the people 519 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and also an author. She was one of the first 520 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: well I think she was the first published Native American woman, 521 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: and she published a book called Life among the Pies, 522 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: Their Wrongs and Claims in x eighteen eighty three. She 523 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: witnessed a lot of atrocities and violence against the people 524 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: and always spoke out against her treatment. And when I 525 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: think she spoke out, she gut over three hundred deejas 526 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: on the true the maltreatment of Native people. She lived 527 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: through the Banic War of eighteen seventy eight and rescued 528 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: a group of payed people, including her father, and continue 529 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: to speak out even after she and a group of 530 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: play were forcibly located to the Yakima res vation until 531 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: her death took me tona spot for land vites and 532 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: human rights of Native people. It might not be a 533 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: surprise too were people, as she came from a line 534 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: of leaders, as a daughter of the chiefs and the 535 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 1: granddaughter of Chi's truck e. Unfortunately, there's not too too 536 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: much information I could find on her beyond that, but 537 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: we still have her writings. Her book is still available, 538 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: so that's us. And for sure I know that the 539 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: right people talk about her a lot in there in Nevada. 540 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: Three hundred speeches. It's impressive. It's impressive speaking out in too. 541 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: You're like, what, as an indigenous female, what that takes 542 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of parts? Excuse so let me to speak 543 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: out in our community. It is not an abnormal thing, 544 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: but when you're facing culture that is kind of the opposite, 545 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: especially in the eighteen hundreds, I'm sure it was very 546 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: odd to look at halving all this freedom and respect 547 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: is a Native woman and then seeing the culture that 548 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: you were trying to be forced into. Yeah, m I 549 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: can only imagine. I want to read her book. Really 550 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: need to find that book next moment, yeah, or less that. 551 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: We haven't started. I have a list, you have, I 552 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: know you have, I know you have. And then we 553 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about Madonna thunder Hawk. There's one before that? Sorry? 554 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: Which one is? Okay? I'm really excited? Is it to 555 00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: lost that? Or Red Food was a young Napton, Youngstown, 556 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: Dakotas to and she's another writer, but she's also a 557 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: musician and activists. Her books were written among the first 558 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: to spread traditional Native stories and she wrote. She even 559 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: wrote part of the first Native American opera called the 560 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: Sun Dance Opera in nineteen thirteen. While her writings of 561 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: her experiences with boarding School of life and stories are 562 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: probably enough to make her historical figure. National and made 563 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: the National Council for American Indians in nineteen twenty six, 564 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: and this enabled her to lobby for Native rights to 565 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: the United States citizenship and civil rights. She served as 566 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: president until her death in nineteen thirty eight. So we 567 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: have another strong woman in leadership, not just in the 568 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: tribe but outside of it is law, So there's another 569 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: another I don't know the operas are put into a book, 570 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: but I'm sure she wrote other books that you can 571 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: add your boys. I think she she was pretty prolific. 572 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: Um that she wrote and uh from recording for what 573 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: I found the Atlantic Monthly and Harper's Monthly. Um, so yeah, 574 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: that's I think some of her works are out there. 575 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: People should definitely go check them out. Yeah. The College 576 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 1: Hall is also just a beautiful horror, and she is 577 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: another image of Indigenous Native strength and perseverance. I don't know, 578 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: I want a seriously like you know, as a kid, 579 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: you have all those put stories of bands and stuff 580 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: on your walls. I kind of want to saw all 581 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: these women on my be awesome. Can't put it on 582 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: your phone now as a motivation. Now there you go, 583 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: not on not on the walls anymore is on your 584 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: phone because you open it up. My room is still 585 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: covered in posters. I don't know what you're saying. Your 586 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: house is covered in posters. Never mind, I haven't. I 587 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 1: haven't graduated from that. I do too. I do toot 588 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: on the ceiling too. So you wake up in the 589 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: is all these amazing women. Yeah, that'd be better than 590 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: what I have. But I still do in your ceiling. 591 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: That guy, I mean, eventually you just ran into space 592 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: and you have to put stuff on the feelings. Never 593 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: I've never been there. But okay, that's my entire life. 594 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 1: But I like this idea much better. This is more 595 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: than like Harry Potter and Star Wars, perhaps more motivate, normal, realistic. 596 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: Yeah you are, I'm just actually is probably better than 597 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: what she's got, So keep geping her the ideas. It 598 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: would be more work appropriate. At least I could be like, 599 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: well these are they? To better myself by looking at 600 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: these motivational warriors? Yeah, oh my goodness. All right, next 601 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: we can get over more ideas. Now we're down to Yes, 602 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: Madonna Thunderhawky, all right, tell us about her. She's the 603 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 1: last first normalist, and of every mormalist, she's actually still alive. 604 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: Don't know. I said that ignored that part already would 605 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: be alive as congratulations, not that being dead as that, 606 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: you know whatever. She lived through a lot of crazy things. 607 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: So she is Cheyenne River Sue. And I think she's 608 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: still in South Dakota, so she's not only alive, still alive. 609 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: That organized the protest against the Daquota pipeline in two 610 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen, and she was like, wow, did she 611 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: organized that? She's seventy eight and she doesn't look it 612 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,879 Speaker 1: by the pictures I've seen, and I have no doubt 613 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: she has one thousand percent a woman to be reckoned with. 614 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: When I read through everything she's seen and taken part in, 615 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: I just cannot imagine what it's like to have lived 616 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: through all these things and still have all the fire 617 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: that she stilled. What she was part of the Red 618 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: Power movement, which I didn't even know where the thing 619 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: that makes sense. It was the sixties and seventies, So guys, 620 00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: black power, I just read power goes right along with it. Uh. 621 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: Her first foray, as far as I could, Yeah, as 622 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: far as I found was protesting during the nineteen sixty 623 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: nine to nineteen seventy one occupation of Outstra I had 624 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: ever heard of this, but apparently there was a treaty 625 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: between the government and those Dakota people that called the 626 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: Treaty of Fort Larmie that said all retired, abandoned, or 627 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: out of US federal land was to be returned to 628 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: the Lakotas who wants to occupied it, And so they 629 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,400 Speaker 1: moved there from nineteen nine seventy one. And I was 630 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: not surprised that the protest wasn't successful. The United States 631 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: is not really known for giving the land that It 632 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: blows my mind that she also went through this as well. 633 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: Wounded me. Is I don't know if ill we call 634 00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: it soul crushing. It's one of those moments that earth 635 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: a lot and if he's bread there in my heart, 636 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: it wounded me. You might know why so bad, but 637 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,720 Speaker 1: I highly recommend everyone read it. I think it should 638 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: be required reading in high school personally, but um, I 639 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: don't know if our government in this current climate is 640 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: ready for me to put that in school. So uh. 641 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: But even after that, like I said, this woman has 642 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 1: so much stamina and so much perseverance. I don't even 643 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: I just can't. She served as a director of the 644 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: Wounded Me Legal Defense Offense Commity in December of Right 645 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: Team seventy five. She also founded the Warrior Woman Project. 646 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: And there's kind of so many more organizations and movements 647 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: to fight for New American people and right and she's 648 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: still doing this work. That's awesome. I mean, another another 649 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: person to look to, to to respected, to be inspired by. 650 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: So I would cry at that demean her. The ultimate 651 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: goal to meet her. Yeah, obviously she's still because the 652 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: pipeline issue hasn't been resolved other than no one's acknowledging it. 653 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: To my knowledge, I think that the Code of Pipeline 654 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: is active, but we an't know that. There have been 655 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,880 Speaker 1: like oil spills and all sorts of problems. The pipeline 656 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: is going through Native land are legal, may violate several treaties, 657 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: but to fight and other things. Native voices have not 658 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: had the impact this they should have had, not right 659 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: their own fault, but by our government and the news 660 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: media and how things are covered. A lot of mothering 661 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: and not a lot of compassions towards new people right 662 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: as um um was looking like, I if some of 663 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: the Democrats who are running for president have used it 664 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: as a platform, not not their platform, as a promise 665 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: to shut it down or to reverse some of it. 666 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: So it's still a big issue, but not big enough 667 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,879 Speaker 1: that they're talking about it on debates right now, which 668 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: is sad and obviously really really um. I don't know 669 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: what else other than yeah, it's just about right. It's 670 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: not as important to some people um as it should be, 671 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: as it should be about the lines that are affecting. 672 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: But it's absolutely something that's still having to be fought for. 673 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: And obviously we know, as you just said, she's been 674 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: fighting for um and Kindometre has continued to be a 675 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 1: big voice in pushing that as a as a conversation 676 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: that we need to have more of. Yeah, and she 677 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 1: has seen some real real bloodshow. Part of my the 678 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: November project is talking about violent language that's still used 679 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: in the media that inspires violence in real life, and 680 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: for her to see some of the most horrific moments 681 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: in American history or modern whatever this period of American 682 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: history is and still be fighting really is indicative of 683 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,760 Speaker 1: so much strength. I don't know. That's something really common 684 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: when you hear these stories, especially need of women. They 685 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120 Speaker 1: see these awful things, they see this genocide, and then 686 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: in the face of genocide, women are standing up and 687 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,399 Speaker 1: speaking out. And that's why it's so important to one 688 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,919 Speaker 1: read about your American history, take part in as much 689 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: as you can, to talk as some of those things, 690 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 1: and actually listen when Americans talk about issues they are 691 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:12,239 Speaker 1: facing ones. It's just a lot, right. We do have 692 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more for you listeners, but first we 693 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: have one more quick break for word from our sponsor 694 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor. So you had mentioned 695 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 1: earlier that there's obviously and we can all definitely research, 696 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: but what would you point out someone that wants to 697 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: learn more of the histories and the behind the scenes. 698 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: Where would you point them? Is there something like reference 699 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: books or that two old days reference books resources? Thank 700 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,200 Speaker 1: you books. I'm not old, I'm not come out against books. 701 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: I used to encyclopedia from most of middle school. Okay, 702 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 1: so I mean and I when not saying encyclopaedia, I 703 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:07,839 Speaker 1: mean hard bound Britanica, Cyclopaedias, serie decimals, So don't date me, 704 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: but resources that you would point them to. Oh so 705 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: I would recommend if you really want to know what 706 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,879 Speaker 1: Native history is like and why all of us are 707 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: so passionate about it, I think diving in head first 708 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,279 Speaker 1: is the best way to do it, because we are 709 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: living with reality and if it's shocking to you, imagine 710 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,719 Speaker 1: what it's like for us to see all the your 711 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,360 Speaker 1: reature that are people have faced and see it continuing now. 712 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: So a good place to start to really get a 713 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:58,799 Speaker 1: handle on how much effort has been put into eliminating 714 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: Native people bury in my heart it wounded me is 715 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: the books that's probably the bless the best place to start. 716 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: There are there's a narrative that I've heard of Native 717 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: American spot against each other. So it's not a big 718 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: deal that the United States also the colonial people also 719 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: bought them. But it is completely different. We're talking about 720 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 1: the make genocide as opposed to what kind of amounts 721 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:41,879 Speaker 1: to land stuffle and I will warn you that there 722 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: are some things in the Wounded they remember the one Danda, 723 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:50,280 Speaker 1: are graphic, but it's absolutely necessary to hear those things. 724 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:57,080 Speaker 1: And usually, again, history like this, atrocities like this, and again, 725 00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,400 Speaker 1: as you said, genocide, it's going to be graphics. So 726 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,359 Speaker 1: to expect less would be you look at a really 727 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,360 Speaker 1: unrealistic version of history. Right. It would be like learning 728 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: about the Holocaust without learning about anything that has to 729 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: Dick concentration camp, right, which is absurd in itself. Well, 730 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Natalie. I'm so glad that we 731 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: got to connect and that you are able to speak 732 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: with us. Is there anything else that you want to 733 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,440 Speaker 1: add or you want to voice about what we're talking about? 734 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:36,040 Speaker 1: I okay, one thing I I kind of challenge my 735 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,440 Speaker 1: listeners to do. List If you are not connected to 736 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: a Native community or any funds who are needed, I 737 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,839 Speaker 1: encourage you too. On Instagram, watch Twitter, follow five Indigenous 738 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:54,440 Speaker 1: people and just as you're looking to your feet and 739 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: as you're learning and hearing from these people, I guarantee 740 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: you it won't take very long for you to realize 741 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,080 Speaker 1: that there are some things going on you might not 742 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,360 Speaker 1: be aware of. And I think that's kind of adslies 743 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,239 Speaker 1: to all ethnic groups. It's a good idea to know 744 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 1: what's happening and be aware and get out of our 745 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,399 Speaker 1: little bubbles. But it's very important thing to make sure 746 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: you are paying attention to native voices, especially being on 747 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: the land of people who are still here. Now, that's amazing. 748 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: I love that. That's a great challenge and I think 749 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,680 Speaker 1: absolutely I would voice that and agree with you that 750 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,280 Speaker 1: is to start to start with and do that. Um. 751 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: And now where can we find you on the interwebs. 752 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,879 Speaker 1: You can find me on all social media platforms at 753 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,720 Speaker 1: some kind of Brown. My podcast Some kind of Brown 754 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: is on actually all of the podcast as I have 755 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: any teenager website employ a teenager because it still has 756 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: a dot WordPress, dot com. Some kind of request that song, 757 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: and it has all the episodes that I have I've 758 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: had so far, and you can find out more about 759 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: November or any of the guests or episodes that I've 760 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 1: had on there too. Amazing. Thank you again, UM, you 761 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,319 Speaker 1: are awesome and I'm sure we're going to keep in connection. Yes, 762 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,880 Speaker 1: we wanted you to know we support everything you're doing 763 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: and we want to make sure that, UM, you know 764 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: that we overhear at Sementy love what you're doing and 765 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,040 Speaker 1: are great grateful that you're doing it. Yes, thank you 766 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: so much. How do you want to say my girlfriend 767 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 1: is a big fan of your podcast? Yeah, hello, hello, Yeah, 768 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,560 Speaker 1: I see a chance to move on and something that 769 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,279 Speaker 1: I think I really appreciate. It's what your podcast is. 770 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: It's just about being a woman with our necessarily putting 771 00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: a limit on what that means. And I think that's 772 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: really company for people who are transgender women to just 773 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: have this place where they can talk about femininity and 774 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: being a woman in at the same time being included 775 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,440 Speaker 1: in the narrative. That brings us to the end of 776 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:28,800 Speaker 1: this another delightful interview with um all of your listeners. 777 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm always so impressed and inspired in awe the things 778 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: that you all are doing. So keep keep letting us 779 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 1: know what you're up to. We love hearing about it. UM. 780 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,120 Speaker 1: And as Natalie said, probably everybody on this list we 781 00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: could have talked about a whole episode, right. It's not, 782 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: as she had said before, Even though I was like, oh, yeah, 783 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,520 Speaker 1: it's a big list, it really isn't. And it's probably 784 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: an endless list of people that we could talk about 785 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: who identified as female. Or non binary that needs to 786 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,279 Speaker 1: be recognized, that we need to be talking about, and 787 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,759 Speaker 1: that their history does need to be preserved and the 788 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,399 Speaker 1: things that they have done for their community as well 789 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,040 Speaker 1: as for their culture. And I think I'm very sad 790 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: that we couldn't get we don't have all the information 791 00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: that we absolutely should and uh that that this is 792 00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760 Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of probably about four of 793 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: those women, some I've ever talked about that and that 794 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,480 Speaker 1: makes me really sad. Yeah. Um, And Natalie's says she 795 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,800 Speaker 1: had an entire spreadsheet of women and she had to choose. 796 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: Like I appreciate the difficulty of that, Natalie as you 797 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: as you're if you're listening to this now, I've been 798 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: in that situation, not similar, but been like, pick of 799 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: all of these amazing women, picked the three bests, and 800 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: you're like, A, here's this movies and other things? Right now? 801 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: Is all I can think of? His movies because we've 802 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 1: been talking about movies. Yes, yes, but I also have 803 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: more important items in my brains. Um, but yeah, yeah, 804 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: I would love to hear about every single woman on 805 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: that spreadsheet. See you, we should have just gotten that's 806 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,040 Speaker 1: all we can publish it? Oh you can ask Satalie, 807 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't want to share your secrets. I don't know. 808 00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,919 Speaker 1: I'm putting that on my show. If not, you should 809 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 1: definitely go listen to her show. You should absolutely do 810 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: that because, um, as you said, we all need to 811 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: know these stories and they're so valuable, um and inspiring 812 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: they are. Yes. 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