Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview edition
Speaker 1: with return guest Jordan Morris. Mellow Greetings, Chuck Mellow greetings.
Speaker 1: What's your boggle? Sir? I kind of want to punch
Speaker 1: you now. Then you're the least punchable person I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently reciting verbatim dialogue from Demolition Man makes you infinitely hateable.
Speaker 1: So we are here to do a couple of things.
Speaker 1: We are going to talk about Demolition Man. But before
Speaker 1: we get going, uh, and know that you have a
Speaker 1: project coming up soon, which is in this sounds like
Speaker 1: you're some kind of a self centered jerk to say
Speaker 1: that you got in touch with me for that reason.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, he said, hey, let's get a
Speaker 1: movie crush and talk about it and talk about something else. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm making the rounds, I'm doing pods. I
Speaker 1: have a graphic novel coming out that I co wrote,
Speaker 1: and you know, since since comic CON's and the like
Speaker 1: might not be a thing for another couple of months,
Speaker 1: I'm you know, just trying to get the word out.
Speaker 1: And also there's there's a there's A sub reason for
Speaker 1: wanting to podcast is that, you know, pandemic and all.
Speaker 1: It's it's a nice way to see friendly friends that
Speaker 1: you like. So you know, yeah, totally mental health reasons
Speaker 1: for wanting to to get in touch. I hope I
Speaker 1: can help and not make things worse for you know,
Speaker 1: I mean talk talking talking about Demo Man with one
Speaker 1: of my favorite dudes. Instant cheer up, instant cheer up. Um, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about it. What's going on?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yes, I uh so. July thirte, a graphic
Speaker 1: novel called Bubble is coming out, uh, written by me
Speaker 1: and the great comedy writer Sarah Morgan, drawn by the
Speaker 1: great comic book artist Tony Cliff who does the Delila
Speaker 1: Dirk series, and colored by Natalie Reese who does the
Speaker 1: Dungeon Critters series. Um yeah, just an awesome, awesome team
Speaker 1: of of funny, cool people worked on this. It is
Speaker 1: a sci fi comedy. Uh. The the Elevator pitch would
Speaker 1: probably be Search Party meets Guardians of the Galaxy, if
Speaker 1: you can imagine such a thing. Uh, it is. It's
Speaker 1: based on the Maximum podcast um that came out a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, which was great. Oh thanks, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally awesome and a lot of great a lot of
Speaker 1: great fans of that show. And um, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: really decided to to comic book if I it. I
Speaker 1: think it's a it kind of felt like a natural
Speaker 1: place for the story to go. It's a very comic
Speaker 1: bookie story with the aliens and robots and Gore. Uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, it really like really took nicely to the
Speaker 1: comics page, I think. Yeah. Let me. I got a
Speaker 1: couple of questions here. The first one is what, as
Speaker 1: far as the story of Bubble goes, is this a
Speaker 1: sequel or is it a prequel? Or is it just
Speaker 1: another chapter? How? How does it? How? What is it? Yeah? So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the initial talks I had with the publisher, um,
Speaker 1: they said they wanted something that was, um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a retelling of the events of the podcast,
Speaker 1: but with some changes. There was obviously like stuff you
Speaker 1: know that we wanted to make a little more comic bookie.
Speaker 1: They wanted a different ending. Um. And so I think
Speaker 1: when we were kind of setting it out to you know,
Speaker 1: to adapt in and we were deciding what to cut
Speaker 1: and what to add, we wanted to like keep favorite
Speaker 1: stuff from the podcast, but also give people enough new
Speaker 1: stuff to where you know, you don't just feel like
Speaker 1: it's the exact same story. So hopefully it's like it's
Speaker 1: the cool bits of the podcast, but with enough few
Speaker 1: stuff and a new ending and some new scenes and
Speaker 1: locales that you know, you feel like, you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just weak handed the podcast to an artist and said,
Speaker 1: you know, get drawn, asshole. Yeah. Uh yeah, different ending. Interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm curious about this new ending. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely, like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much plot in the podcast, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's eight episodes and there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of plot, and I
Speaker 1: think it it you know, we had a you know,
Speaker 1: a limited amount of space because obviously, you know, this
Speaker 1: thing can't be pages um as not be the snider
Speaker 1: cut of graphic novels. Um So, yeah, we we, so
Speaker 1: we kind of decided to kind of like minimize the
Speaker 1: plot a little bit and really drill down on the
Speaker 1: characters and really kind of get into them a little
Speaker 1: bit more, figure out what makes them tick, kind of
Speaker 1: give them, you know, kind of explore their inner lives
Speaker 1: and motivations and stuff like that. So yeah, and hopefully
Speaker 1: you know, a funny, cool way. Um. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: was kind of like those are kind of the broad
Speaker 1: goals we went into it with. That sounds cool, It
Speaker 1: sounds like, I mean, if you're a fan of the
Speaker 1: Bubble podcast, which i am, I thought it was really great,
Speaker 1: it sounds like this could be a really good companion
Speaker 1: piece almost too, to make it. Um a bigger hole
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm talking about, A bigger hole. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, if there's one thing I love, it's big holes,
Speaker 1: big gaping cavernous holes. Um. Yeah, So no, I mean
Speaker 1: that's it's a really good way to put it. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I think something that we wanted was that like, okay,
Speaker 1: if you've heard the podcast, we want this to be
Speaker 1: something that feels new and additional. But also, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't listen to narrative podcasts, you know,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people you know, just aren't into
Speaker 1: the genre or they you know, they like chats, they
Speaker 1: like other kinds of things. So you know, we wanted
Speaker 1: this to be something of like if you just if
Speaker 1: you love comics, if you're a comics person, you know,
Speaker 1: and you like monsters and sex jokes and you know,
Speaker 1: satire and robots and explosions like this is this is
Speaker 1: something you can like pick up and enjoy. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and ideally it doesn't feel like it's all inside jokes,
Speaker 1: although we have some little easter eggs for podcast fans.
Speaker 1: But but hopefully it doesn't feel like you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're just you know, you're paging through somebody's inside jokes,
Speaker 1: you know. So is hope that this becomes a first
Speaker 1: of many. Yeah, I think that's you know, that's what
Speaker 1: we would like. I mean, obviously, you know, uh, we'll
Speaker 1: see how this one sells and see how preorders go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think the team really really had a good time
Speaker 1: with this, and um yeah, I think I think, given
Speaker 1: the opportunity, we would love to just keep telling Bubble
Speaker 1: stories until uh we die. So so yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: think it's I think, you know, schedules permitting, everybody would
Speaker 1: love to do more. And um, yes, so hopefully people
Speaker 1: people are into this one. Now, what is it like
Speaker 1: writing for a graphic novel? I mean, you've written everything
Speaker 1: from uh to straight up sort of satire to uh,
Speaker 1: you're a writer on at midnight for a while, so
Speaker 1: very kind of quick punchy jokes. Um, what about writing
Speaker 1: for a graphic novel? Was that an entirely new thing
Speaker 1: or was it just sort of a different skin on
Speaker 1: what you do? Boyd? Yeah, it was really interesting. I
Speaker 1: have been a like comics reader since you know, I
Speaker 1: was a little little kid, since I was you know,
Speaker 1: being bad in the grocery store and my mom had
Speaker 1: to get me something to quiet me down. Like, I've
Speaker 1: definitely just like read comics, you know, since I could
Speaker 1: read things. Um, so yeah, and they always like seemed
Speaker 1: like magic to me though, you know, they always seemed
Speaker 1: like something someone else did, you know, Like, well, I
Speaker 1: could never do this. This is a goddamn magic trick.
Speaker 1: How these things get right? So yeah, I definitely, like
Speaker 1: you know, held them in very high regard. Um. And
Speaker 1: you know, Tony Tony Cliff the artist is you know,
Speaker 1: just a goddamn pro and you know has done such
Speaker 1: beautiful work over his career and just kind of knows
Speaker 1: the format and has really great storytelling ideas. So he
Speaker 1: was a great guy. Um, you know, and I know Sarah,
Speaker 1: my co writer, you know, it's similarly is is a
Speaker 1: TV writer who loved comics who always kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to do it. Um. So you know, we we kind
Speaker 1: of came at it with this TV writing mentality, um
Speaker 1: and very specifically late night comedy. She does a lot
Speaker 1: of late night comedy in the UK, and so we
Speaker 1: we are used to jobs where you get paid like
Speaker 1: by the page. It's like you just need to fill
Speaker 1: a fucking page with jokes, you know, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of how your success is measured. So we definitely in
Speaker 1: our early drafts overwrote we like you know, would have ten,
Speaker 1: you know, ten jokes per premise, ten jokes per page,
Speaker 1: and like when that happens, you can't see the pictures
Speaker 1: because the fucking page is filled up with the words.
Speaker 1: So there was a process of being like selective about
Speaker 1: what we put in, kind of like being a little
Speaker 1: choosier with jokes, some kind of shortening ideas because you know,
Speaker 1: the the the art and this thing is beautiful. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Tony and Natalie are both like two of
Speaker 1: the fucking best in the world, you know, and so
Speaker 1: you know, we wanted to strike a balance between like
Speaker 1: letting people kind of enjoy you know, the scenery and
Speaker 1: you know, it is a cool world. It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of a world where, you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: kind of a near future where people live in these
Speaker 1: bubble cities, but outside there's this crazy alien landscape filled
Speaker 1: with monsters. So, you know, both both kind of those
Speaker 1: primary settings. You know, Tony and Natalie made them look
Speaker 1: so cool, so um. So yes, there was kind of
Speaker 1: a process of like, can we be choosier about this?
Speaker 1: Can we be a little more like you know, snipery
Speaker 1: with the dialogue and the ideas so so as to
Speaker 1: you know, let people enjoy the visuals and the words too.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Imagine that's an interesting exercise for a writer
Speaker 1: to put on a different hat and a different medium,
Speaker 1: and especially if you're having to to whittle it down. Um,
Speaker 1: I would imagine you end up with like the gold
Speaker 1: you know, at the bottom of the pot. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's the hope, is that the gold pot is
Speaker 1: what you're getting of. You know, I think I think
Speaker 1: you know, definitely, Sarah and I kind of joky word
Speaker 1: nous is still there, you know. I think I think
Speaker 1: you know that that sort of thing is still kind
Speaker 1: of present in it. But but you know, in a
Speaker 1: way that's still like respectful to the art. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was really interesting, and I think were
Speaker 1: I to do more comics down the line, I definitely
Speaker 1: would like kind of have that mentality going in, like Okay,
Speaker 1: how can I you know, how can I make this dialogue,
Speaker 1: you know, say what I wanted to say, but also
Speaker 1: kind of give the artist room to kind of like
Speaker 1: show off and stretch their legs too. That's cool, man.
Speaker 1: I really I can't wait to see this world come
Speaker 1: to life, because that's the I mean, one of the
Speaker 1: great things about Bubble is it is such a cool
Speaker 1: world and it's fun. You know, if people haven't listened
Speaker 1: to um fiction narrative podcasts like give It a World,
Speaker 1: because it's a rich it kind of reminds me when
Speaker 1: I was a kid and you would listen to stories,
Speaker 1: records and stuff, and it's just such a rich area
Speaker 1: for the mind to blossom and picture your own stuff,
Speaker 1: and you can, you know, you can do so much
Speaker 1: in a podcast to try and describe stuff without bogging
Speaker 1: it down, but a lot of that you just have
Speaker 1: to leave up to the listener to imagine. And um,
Speaker 1: I know the world of Bubble in my brain and
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna be interested to see what it looks
Speaker 1: like and like how wrong I was in my own brain. Basically, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I I That's something I think we're all
Speaker 1: kind of curious about. Is the like reaction from people
Speaker 1: who have listened, Yeah, does this looked like what was
Speaker 1: in your brain? And I think hopefully, you know, people
Speaker 1: are cool with it being different or the same. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm I'm that's one of the things I'm
Speaker 1: super fascinated to see. It's like, people who listened, how
Speaker 1: close is this to what was in your brain? Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's pretty close to what was in my brain. I
Speaker 1: was really surprised how how Tony drew stuff really similar
Speaker 1: to what I was what I was thinking. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: that was actually a little bit part of our process
Speaker 1: was every time there was, you know, a monster or something,
Speaker 1: you know, He's like, can you send me some comps?
Speaker 1: So I would just do you know, Google image searches
Speaker 1: for certain dark souls monsters that I liked and send
Speaker 1: them over and you know, like buildings, like what does
Speaker 1: this building kind of look like? So I would send
Speaker 1: him like apartments and stuff. So yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: obviously that contributed to why stuff looks similar to my brain.
Speaker 1: But also just some of the voices he made him
Speaker 1: like that is right on, and um, oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting as far as the character designs go. Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't draw the actors from the podcast probatim,
Speaker 1: but with every character he started with one of their
Speaker 1: physical attributes. So like, um, you know, we have a
Speaker 1: character played by Eliza Skinner, the great comedian and writer
Speaker 1: Eliza Skinners. So she, uh, you know, she has a
Speaker 1: she has a really cool beauty mark and so we
Speaker 1: kind of he started with that character's beauty mark and
Speaker 1: kind of expounded off it. And yeah, so you'll see
Speaker 1: that with all the characters that there's something you know,
Speaker 1: if you know the actor, then you can see those
Speaker 1: little physical attributes that were the starting point. But they
Speaker 1: all do look, you know, kind of like their own characters.
Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Man, give him a little a little nod, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. But there are some yeah, and there are
Speaker 1: some little uh, there are some little drawn Maximum cameos
Speaker 1: in there too that you'll see if you're you're a Maxi,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the Maximum podcast averse, uh,
Speaker 1: some some there you'll see some familiar faces. Oh that's great, dude,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Um, when does it come out and
Speaker 1: when can people pre order? And where? Yeah? So uh
Speaker 1: so July thirteenth it comes out. But you can preorder
Speaker 1: it now basically wherever you you get your books, so Amazon,
Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, but also like, hey, man, call that
Speaker 1: local indie bookstore that might be having a tough time
Speaker 1: right now, or your local comic shop and they'll pre
Speaker 1: order it up for you. And I think I can
Speaker 1: say this is that we have some cool stuff planned
Speaker 1: for people who preorder, so like, if you're curious, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: please please get out there and pre order. And it
Speaker 1: really help the book. It helps it helps those uh
Speaker 1: those little bookstores. And yeah, hopefully you're gonna get some
Speaker 1: cool uh stuff in return that I'll announce on social
Speaker 1: media when the time comes. So yeah, I'm looking now
Speaker 1: at the US dot McMillan dot com website. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it looks great. It actually has some panels here based
Speaker 1: on the smash It podcast, and I'm going to preorder
Speaker 1: it right now, hardcover, hardcover. Chuck, you know, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: that's too much. Get the no, you know it gets
Speaker 1: the hard it's beautiful. Always always get hardcovers. I just
Speaker 1: I'm still a book guy. I'm one of those weirdos
Speaker 1: who hardcover books and putting them on my bookshelf. And
Speaker 1: this looks fantastic. Cannot wait, my friend. Oh thanks dude,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. It's really really nice to you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, definitely, uh yeah, definitely. I I you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I I my first publishing thing, and I
Speaker 1: really got a lesson in the importance of preordering books.
Speaker 1: So I needed to. Recently, Josh and I had our
Speaker 1: book out, and they're like, you hear that word a
Speaker 1: lot when you're in the in the meetings. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: all about that pre order. Yeah. Yeah, I was not.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not something I'm embarrassed to say. It's
Speaker 1: not something that I did personally before this. But now
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, now I am a book preorder.
Speaker 1: I realized that anywhere. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Pre orders are.
Speaker 1: And we told this, we were preaching to this stuff.
Speaker 1: You should know listeners for a while about the importance
Speaker 1: of preorders, and I think it's just I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. It builds. I think they want a
Speaker 1: big first day number, which the pre orders sort of
Speaker 1: aggregate to and uh, it's just a very significant thing.
Speaker 1: I remember Hodgman talking to me about pre orders being
Speaker 1: a big deal, and that's why people get sick of
Speaker 1: hearing people say pre order, because yeah, yeah, yeah, pre
Speaker 1: order bubble everybody. It looks fantastic. Yeah yeah, thanks, I
Speaker 1: love it. So, Uh, Demolition Man is the movie you picked,
Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of funny. You sent me
Speaker 1: a few options, and uh, I picked Demolition Man for
Speaker 1: two reasons. One because you picked Point Break the first time,
Speaker 1: and this is another sort of nineties kind of corny
Speaker 1: action movie that's a lot of fun. And I picked
Speaker 1: it because I had never seen it. And then I
Speaker 1: remembered I saw the first like fifteen minutes of it,
Speaker 1: and uh, this came out when I was in college,
Speaker 1: so I could explain. I'm older than you, So this
Speaker 1: came out probably when you were primetime young kid. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe in hindsight, maybe a little young to have been
Speaker 1: seeing this in the theater, but yes, definitely like the
Speaker 1: age to where you know, uh, stallone in Snipe's High
Speaker 1: Kicking Things was my uh primary interests. Right, So I
Speaker 1: was um, like twenty two in college and we went
Speaker 1: to the theater to see this, me and a couple
Speaker 1: of friends, and uh, after about I would have stayed.
Speaker 1: I'm not one to leave a movie ever, but my
Speaker 1: friend Brett is he has very little patience. Was something
Speaker 1: he'd after about fifteen minutes, I can't take it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm working out of here, and he got up and
Speaker 1: we followed him and we went in and saw True
Speaker 1: Romance for the third time, which was had been going
Speaker 1: for about ten minutes as well. So that was my
Speaker 1: Demolition Man. And I think until this morning, like I
Speaker 1: literally just finished watching it, I was confusing it. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a comic book spin off and I
Speaker 1: think I was thinking of Judge Dread Oh right, yeah,
Speaker 1: similar yea, also stallone and then also maybe some similar
Speaker 1: like costume design, especially on the like yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 1: I had it totally wrong. Um, and this was definitely
Speaker 1: you know, as of two and a half hours ago,
Speaker 1: I had never really seen Demolition Man, and now I have,
Speaker 1: and I gotta say it was corny and dumb and
Speaker 1: great and funny and and I think a movie that
Speaker 1: like and I did read, you know, thankfully, Din of
Speaker 1: Geek and some other Rotten Tomatoes had a pretty good
Speaker 1: essay of like, you know, thirty years on or twenty
Speaker 1: years on has been thirty years yeah, let's see about yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty years on almost and these nice retrospectives when you
Speaker 1: can go back and look at a movie like this.
Speaker 1: And I think the consensus for this guy from Rotten
Speaker 1: Tomatoes was this was a great comedy satire in the
Speaker 1: making that Stallone, like Stallone was acting in his own
Speaker 1: movie according to this guy, and it felt like he
Speaker 1: phoned in the comic moments, whereas a Kurt Russell or
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis would have really taken this over the top
Speaker 1: as some sort of PC culture meta commentary on on
Speaker 1: life and uh and where we were headed, whereas Stallone
Speaker 1: was a little too self serious about it. And I
Speaker 1: sort of agree, But I also thought Stallone was kind
Speaker 1: of fun. Yeah, I think he gets the comedy of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like you know, Kurt Russell is so
Speaker 1: good at this town, you know, uh yeah, so kind
Speaker 1: of unfair to Yeah, so maybe hard not to say
Speaker 1: Russell would have been better, But I think stall Loan
Speaker 1: does a pretty good job. He kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's such a wild mishmash of tones. You know, like,
Speaker 1: I think part of it is like the movie is,
Speaker 1: you know, the movie is kind of schizophrenic. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he does a good job with this. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously dreamcasting, you might find a better actor
Speaker 1: for it. But yeah, I think Stallone works. And definitely
Speaker 1: like there are there's an element of this movie that
Speaker 1: is kind of like parodying the Stallone uvra. So I
Speaker 1: think he him being there like adds to some of
Speaker 1: the that satire. You know, I have to say that
Speaker 1: the listeners. I'm struggling right now because your cat just
Speaker 1: jumped up. Yeah. All I want to do now is
Speaker 1: pet your cat. Yeah, it's bug. She definitely kind of
Speaker 1: know when the zoom zoom is on. Oh man, it's
Speaker 1: the worst. I can't get in there and pet that
Speaker 1: cat right now. Yeah, you know, she's got a fuzzy
Speaker 1: little belly. I'm a magnet to all animals, so like it.
Speaker 1: I have a palpable reaction going on. Yeah, I wonder,
Speaker 1: I wonder if she's going to just sit here gargoyle
Speaker 1: like for the she's so pretty, what a pretty cat? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, she's stunning. I moved recently, and she did
Speaker 1: a great job with the move. I'm yeah, I'm really
Speaker 1: really proud of her and how she's handling change. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did she spend the first like three days sniffing every
Speaker 1: square inch? Yeah, definitely, almost kind of like yeah, they're
Speaker 1: so yeah, there's some weird little animals. But I think
Speaker 1: she's going to try and jump onto the TV stand?
Speaker 1: Now will she make it? Where's the new by the way? Pasadena?
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's kind of like nice. Yeah, so it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been lovely ive Pasadena. Yeah, it's really cool. It's
Speaker 1: definitely like kind of a cookie, you know, charmingly square
Speaker 1: suburb outside of l A. So yeah, I'm having a
Speaker 1: good time. I had friends that lived there. I quite
Speaker 1: enjoyed Pasadyen and we lived at the end Emily and
Speaker 1: I lived in Eagle Rock. So Pasadena was like a
Speaker 1: quick great great restaurants, which you know, of course you'll
Speaker 1: get to someday, yes, yeah, take out. So yeah. Uh
Speaker 1: So I thought it was kind of funny when this
Speaker 1: movie first opened, and it was released in ninety three,
Speaker 1: and the initial waste Land of Los Angeles was yeah,
Speaker 1: so the the movie starts but three years later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny that they chose something so close to
Speaker 1: the movie's release date to be like the World is
Speaker 1: fucked in three years how it starts with, starts with
Speaker 1: the Hollywood side burning a not not at all subtle
Speaker 1: piece of stad tire. Not a subtle movie. Um, it's interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of movies of this time that, like,
Speaker 1: imagine l A is this war zone. I think Predators
Speaker 1: Too is another good example of like, you know, the
Speaker 1: gangs of l A have gotten out of control and
Speaker 1: you know, criminals run the streets. It's such a funny
Speaker 1: little subgenre. Yeah, I mean, I think John Carpenter kind
Speaker 1: of kicked. I mean, there's probably it probably predates Escape
Speaker 1: from New York even, but that's always a fun premise
Speaker 1: where one of the biggest cities is now a war zone.
Speaker 1: And what's going to happen to our hero when they're
Speaker 1: thrust into this world or in this case, frozen out
Speaker 1: of this world into And what's the spin on this
Speaker 1: movie is interesting? Is the hell is ninety six and
Speaker 1: then they figured it all out thirty years later, and
Speaker 1: it's this weird sort of utopian society all of a sudden, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's the opposite. It's usually gets worse that's interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got I don't even thought about that. That. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this movie is like a flash forward inside of a
Speaker 1: flash forward, you know. Yeah, that's that's kind of so interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like right imagining the dystopia and then imagining the utopia.
Speaker 1: Did you know about the story of the writer the
Speaker 1: original story guy? Did you look into that at all? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't it isn't he you know, wasn't it? This kind
Speaker 1: of just his first movie and he shopped it around
Speaker 1: and it got got rewritten at a couple of phases,
Speaker 1: well quite a bit. I think he was like some
Speaker 1: guy from some eastern block country or something and wanted
Speaker 1: nothing more than to be in Hollywood and like working
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. So he wrote a bunch of scripts and
Speaker 1: this one, uh got optioned, and like he said, they
Speaker 1: brought in a bunch of writers and changed it a lot.
Speaker 1: And apparently the writer of the shooting script wasn't even credited,
Speaker 1: and that's where most of them, that's where they really
Speaker 1: poured the comedy on, and it was a lot more
Speaker 1: serious in previous iterations. Well, yeah, it is such a
Speaker 1: tone mishmash, and it makes it makes all the sense
Speaker 1: in the world you know when when you hear that
Speaker 1: it was just like rewritten by ten different people with
Speaker 1: different tones and minds, and it does seem like there
Speaker 1: are scraps from previous drafts in it. Um, let me
Speaker 1: know if you thought this while you were watching, do
Speaker 1: you think they were leading to a reveal that Sandra
Speaker 1: Bullock was his daughter? I saw that online afterward. I
Speaker 1: did not pick up on that, but I did see
Speaker 1: that test audiences did and were creeped out when they
Speaker 1: started getting frisky. Yeah, I didn't see. I didn't get
Speaker 1: that at all. You oh, you know, so yeah, every
Speaker 1: time I watched this, I you know, because they make
Speaker 1: a meal out of the couple of little dramatic scenes
Speaker 1: in this movie, which which really just give you a
Speaker 1: whiplash because it is so goofy and when they decided
Speaker 1: to like drill down on the reality of this, um.
Speaker 1: You know. So one of those scenes is Sta Loan,
Speaker 1: you know, wondering, you know, after he's been frozen where
Speaker 1: his where his daughter is, kind of him weighing the
Speaker 1: decision whether he should get in contact with her or
Speaker 1: not he decides to know, but you know, yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of the movie writer in everyone's head. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: seems to say it's gonna be Sandra Bullock because she's
Speaker 1: she's your fans, she knows who you are anyway, That's
Speaker 1: why that's would have made sense. And then they have
Speaker 1: virtual reality sex and then Frank gets each other at
Speaker 1: the end. So I mean, looking back, that could have
Speaker 1: I think that could have been a really interesting plot
Speaker 1: element if this movie were made by um had a
Speaker 1: more singular focus. And like, I know, this was the
Speaker 1: first time director who was a TV commercial guy and
Speaker 1: who never really did anything else feature film wise. He
Speaker 1: does like art installations now like he does he does
Speaker 1: like art pieces that play at moments. It's so weird
Speaker 1: and he's been doing that for yeah, such a strange things,
Speaker 1: like he did Demolition Man. I think there's an Alicias
Speaker 1: silver Stone movie in there somewhere, and he's like, now,
Speaker 1: I only do art pieces for moments. So strange. It
Speaker 1: is a weird trajectory for a career to take. UM.
Speaker 1: I know that the shoot was I don't know about
Speaker 1: a disaster, but it was I think like forty days over,
Speaker 1: fifty days over, and um stallone got hurt and I
Speaker 1: think they went through five A d s, which is
Speaker 1: never a consigned, but it was just sort of a um,
Speaker 1: a challenging shoot, and I'm sure the first time director
Speaker 1: Joel Silver apparently defended him. I was like, that's not
Speaker 1: the reason it went over budget or over time. It
Speaker 1: was because it's a really hard movie to make. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, though, it's one of these
Speaker 1: movies that was made in nine three that feels like
Speaker 1: it was made in ninety three in a good way. Though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely does seem like the product of another time.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I think maybe that adds to
Speaker 1: the satire little bit. It's like it's just commenting on
Speaker 1: the action movies of another day kind of sort of
Speaker 1: is so. Yeah, I think that that works in it's
Speaker 1: in its favor. It made me missed alone, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I mean I love that for the first
Speaker 1: Blood movie and then maybe that first Rambo movie after that.
Speaker 1: Loved a lot of the Rockies. You know that that
Speaker 1: was my life that I grew up on that stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was the kid watching Rhinestone on HBO.
Speaker 1: R Yeah, leaning into the comedy. Um, but I love
Speaker 1: those movies. Those are HBO smash It's for me, Cobra
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, like I would have watched those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've kind of forgot how much I love Stallone
Speaker 1: In a movie like It's I didn't see any of
Speaker 1: the Expendable, so it's been a while since I've really
Speaker 1: seen him in a row. I would say, maybe don't
Speaker 1: be Expendable sound like a little bit more fun than
Speaker 1: they actually are. It's kind of a cool They're not good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not great. It's it's they don't really do liver
Speaker 1: on the promise of the Expendables. So I actually got this.
Speaker 1: I have this movie in a in a three pack.
Speaker 1: It was one of those like Stallone triple action packs
Speaker 1: and it has Tango in cash and over the top,
Speaker 1: which is like, yes, the greatest ten bucks I've ever
Speaker 1: spent is on this thing. Um yeah, I know that
Speaker 1: that era of Stallone is so much fun. Um Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know he looking looking great in his nude scene
Speaker 1: going into his cryo chamber. You know, because he was
Speaker 1: forty seven years old when he made this. Looks amazing.
Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible? He's he's pushing seventy five now, jeez,
Speaker 1: I know, right, um yeah, so yeah, definitely like he was,
Speaker 1: he was proven he could still do it. And this
Speaker 1: is pre Blade Wesley Snipes, but I imagine this movie
Speaker 1: kind of set the stage for that a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't know if he was really
Speaker 1: doing this kind of stuff before Demolition Man, was he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean he has action movies. God, when was Passenger
Speaker 1: fifty seven? Uh? I know, like to me, he was
Speaker 1: the guy back then from Jungle Fever, right, uh, kind
Speaker 1: of before he made that was so that was one
Speaker 1: year before that probably. Yeah. Yeah, so he was kind
Speaker 1: of like getting into this um sort of thing, I guess.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and then yeah, it seems like that was
Speaker 1: his late kind of pre tax exile career was action movies.
Speaker 1: And yeah he's great and Blade um and I think
Speaker 1: he's good. Yeah, totally, he's he's really physical. All the
Speaker 1: like high kicks and like you know, stomps and stuff
Speaker 1: that he does really seem like him. It does seem
Speaker 1: like they're going out of their way to say, like
Speaker 1: he's doing this, it's not a stunt double. And yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's funny. He plays the comedy well, some of
Speaker 1: the comedy has not aged well I think it's worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: But yeah, sure, but yeah, yeah, and not in not
Speaker 1: in the most egregious of ways. But there's some you know,
Speaker 1: there's some some stuff you wish wasn't in there. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, but yeah, I think he's he's great in this,
Speaker 1: and it's it's funny that he's coming back and doing
Speaker 1: all these comedies now, because like, yeah, he's funny, Like
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's funny in this and I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's been funny and stuff like Dolomite and
Speaker 1: uh coming to America too. Yeah, definitely like fun to
Speaker 1: see comedy Wesley Snipes coming back. I thought he was great.
Speaker 1: I thought he was really good in this. I had
Speaker 1: a lot he's he's a really great bad guy and
Speaker 1: this kind of bad guy that is sort of over
Speaker 1: the top and fun. And I guess at the time
Speaker 1: he was kind of a modeled on a Dennis Rodman,
Speaker 1: uh sort of character. He saw that in a in
Speaker 1: a couple of reviews, and I guess I forgot when
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when Dennis Rodman was
Speaker 1: like the most famous you know, yeah, black guy with
Speaker 1: blonde hair on the planet and the history of the world.
Speaker 1: I have three words for you, okay, please murder, death, kills,
Speaker 1: murdered death kill. Yes, murdered death kill so unnecessary. It's
Speaker 1: great though. That whole scene is amazing at the beginning
Speaker 1: when the first murder death kill happens, or the trio
Speaker 1: of murder death kills, and all the the cops and
Speaker 1: the reactions on their faces and just how to how
Speaker 1: a feat they are, and it was really funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, the like soft future Cops is a good
Speaker 1: is a good gag. It's a good gag. And they
Speaker 1: definitely like pick actors who have a g whiz, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of sensibility. And yeah, and the fact that the
Speaker 1: fact that in the future you don't just say murder,
Speaker 1: you say murder death kill is such a great like
Speaker 1: just change this a little bit and then people will
Speaker 1: know it's the future. Right. Well, that's one of the
Speaker 1: fun things about one of these um kind of corny
Speaker 1: let's envision the future movies is being in a well,
Speaker 1: I think of a writer's room, but the different writers
Speaker 1: at least you know, what's the future going to be, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, well, we'll have seashells instead of toilet paper,
Speaker 1: which will never explain. We'll have no physical touching, so
Speaker 1: they give these weird high fives. It was weird. It
Speaker 1: was almost pandemic e watching some of this stuff, like
Speaker 1: the lack of toilet papers touching. Yeah, there is definitely
Speaker 1: like some yeah, there are pandemic vibes to this or
Speaker 1: sure yeah, people talking about how gross physical contact is
Speaker 1: you know, uh yeah, yes, the fluid what was the
Speaker 1: fluid exchange line? Right, yeah, Sandra bullet fluid transfer, fluid
Speaker 1: transfer activities. These are all great album titles for Like,
Speaker 1: it is funny that they're they're there there. Joke premise
Speaker 1: seems to stem from like cone heads, you know, cone Heads,
Speaker 1: We're like we are your parental units, you know. It
Speaker 1: does seem to kind of take that like everyone talks
Speaker 1: a little bit like a robot. Yeah. And the and
Speaker 1: the listening to old TV or old radio commercials is
Speaker 1: like the most popular radio station. Yeah, that's a weird
Speaker 1: old TV commercials. It's a weird joke. Well, Benjamin brad
Speaker 1: in this movie, I just I wonder if he ever
Speaker 1: looks just looks back at this movie and gets mad
Speaker 1: that like he had so little to do, yeah except
Speaker 1: be uh sort of a butt of the joke. And
Speaker 1: I don't think he has more than five or six
Speaker 1: lines in the whole movie. Yeah, definitely, I think he does.
Speaker 1: He does come off really well in his scenes that
Speaker 1: he has, and I think he does He's a good
Speaker 1: choice for the like you know, ge whiz Ill equipped cop.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it does seem like there are some you know,
Speaker 1: there are some people who maybe had bigger parts or
Speaker 1: bigger story lines. Um got Jesse Ventura is in the
Speaker 1: credits and you kind of see him as a member
Speaker 1: of um Wesley Snipe's gang UM, but doesn't have any lines,
Speaker 1: and like Rob Schneider is in there for you know,
Speaker 1: two scenes. So yeah, I I wonder if there's a
Speaker 1: different cut of this, or a longer cut where some
Speaker 1: of these actors have little plot lines or something. Well,
Speaker 1: Jesse Fenderer definitely had a big at least one big
Speaker 1: fight scene was still alone that was cut out. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah, which makes
Speaker 1: it I mean that that explains everything, because it is
Speaker 1: weird to see him pop up. Jack Black is in
Speaker 1: this movie, did you Jack Black? Yes? You know, I
Speaker 1: did not know that until I watched it last night.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, this movie is still revealing things to me,
Speaker 1: I know, and I had to go back. I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, was that who I thought it was?
Speaker 1: That's so funny, I know, Yeah, he's one of Dennis
Speaker 1: Leary's goods, Dennis Leary's freedom fighter guy. Right. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: had a hard time kind of figuring out I might
Speaker 1: have missed a key line, but I didn't quite get
Speaker 1: that Dennis Leary. I thought he was another bad guy
Speaker 1: and not sort of a leader of a resistance of
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's give people more freedom. Sure, yeah, libertarian,
Speaker 1: he would be the voice of the libertarian. I know,
Speaker 1: it's weird to examine this through a political ends today,
Speaker 1: it really is, and it definitely yeah thinking about it
Speaker 1: like as a like railing against PC culture, which I
Speaker 1: think was you know, something people were kind of talking
Speaker 1: about in the nineties, and you know, maybe it's now
Speaker 1: a little more sinister when you look back on it, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, if this movie was made now, would they
Speaker 1: be doing cancel culture jokes or like maybe stallone comes
Speaker 1: back and say, I don't know what bathroom to use?
Speaker 1: You know about pronoun you know, you would hate for
Speaker 1: it to be that movie. Uh yeah, I could see
Speaker 1: that though, because I mean that was sort of I
Speaker 1: mean that was Bill maher territory back then with his
Speaker 1: first politically incorrection, right, that was when I first started
Speaker 1: hearing people railing a It's that of course, was when
Speaker 1: I was in college. And it's it's interesting to look
Speaker 1: at this movie, like, on one hand, this I could
Speaker 1: see this being like a conservative underground you know, cult classic, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally in some way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, you right,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of satire. At the time was you know,
Speaker 1: pretty light. But yeah, I think like definitely, like when
Speaker 1: you compare it to like people who rail against PC
Speaker 1: culture now, it maybe seems a little more aggressive than
Speaker 1: it did at the time. Anyway, I think that's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she was not Mr Patuto Whood anymore, I don't know, Yeah, exactly. Uh.
Speaker 1: I do love that the you know, there are no
Speaker 1: guns in the future except for the museum, which has
Speaker 1: all the guns and all the ammunition and they're loaded,
Speaker 1: you're just ready to go. It's such a I think
Speaker 1: it's a great cool, uh cool little plot point in
Speaker 1: this that that before before Stalone was on Frozen, they
Speaker 1: did invent laser guns but then immediately outlawed them, and
Speaker 1: Leslie Wesley snipers finds the one laser gun they invented before.
Speaker 1: They got such a cool like like oh, what we missed,
Speaker 1: like while Stallone was frozen, Like what kind of role
Speaker 1: we missed? It's such a funny like, uh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: such a great little detail about they're having been this
Speaker 1: history of the world before this. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: at some point, and it does happen that he's going
Speaker 1: to find a period car because I can I can't
Speaker 1: drive these things whatever preous mobiles that they had. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you know they get that badass for Oldsmobile and
Speaker 1: uh you know you know that's coming yet it's still
Speaker 1: and when it pays it all, Yeah, definitely for sure. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting in this movie what they what
Speaker 1: they assume Stallone knows about, and what they feel like
Speaker 1: they need to explain to him, Like you know, he's
Speaker 1: like the Los Angeles a San Angels, so they're like, yes,
Speaker 1: well Santa Barbara, Los Angeles and San Diego merged after
Speaker 1: the earthquake, the blah blah blah, so like great, we
Speaker 1: explained that to him. But Sandra Bullock doesn't explain VR
Speaker 1: sex to him, and she's like, you don't know about
Speaker 1: this or how to wipe his button, how to wipe Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they sit him down and walk him through the changes,
Speaker 1: but other times they're just like, he'll figure it out
Speaker 1: or yeah, they definitely like it's a case by case
Speaker 1: basis based on what is funniest at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was also funny as someone who lived in l
Speaker 1: A and spent time in both Santa Barbara and San Diego.
Speaker 1: Like the merging of those three places, is it's not
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. Yeah, I mean I guess there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're only voting for one person now.
Speaker 1: Like Santa Barbara was a little nicer. San Diego is
Speaker 1: a little quieter, but it's basically all sort of the
Speaker 1: same stuff. I know. Yeah, it is interesting. Wow, I
Speaker 1: can't believe they mashed up three similar coastal towns. Like
Speaker 1: it's actually kind of sensible. Maybe they should do that anyway,
Speaker 1: Dennis Leary was I kind of forgot that the age
Speaker 1: of when Dennis Leary was this MTV character who I
Speaker 1: don't know if you were remembered that stuff, but when
Speaker 1: he was an MTV guy that did those little short,
Speaker 1: uh I guess short films in between videos of him
Speaker 1: fast talking and railing about stuff, and they really just
Speaker 1: basically said, here, go do that in this movie. Definitely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I absolutely remember those from MTV and thinking that was funny.
Speaker 1: I think he had a music video for a song
Speaker 1: called like I'm an Asshole where he likes saying about
Speaker 1: being an asshole. Remember that. Yeah, this definitely just seems
Speaker 1: like they're like, let's give Leary three and a half
Speaker 1: minutes of stand up where you know he can you know,
Speaker 1: rail about vegetarians or something like that. Yeah, it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It definitely like definitely dates it so hard and um it,
Speaker 1: I loved it at the time. At the time, I
Speaker 1: thought it was so funny. Um, of course, yeah, now
Speaker 1: it's it's about the most nineties thing ever committed to film.
Speaker 1: Uh But yeah, at the time, but I loved it.
Speaker 1: It was you know, Sandra Bullock is she has her
Speaker 1: nineties fetish right, and that's why it would have made
Speaker 1: sense for her to be the daughter because her office
Speaker 1: is all decorated with basically what looked like my college
Speaker 1: dorm back then. Yeah, lethal weapon poster, Red Hot Chili
Speaker 1: first poster that was basically me. Sure, Um, but it's
Speaker 1: a movie where I wasn't sure for a little while.
Speaker 1: Who did you even root for? Because is I feel
Speaker 1: like Wesley Snipes is way more interesting and routable than
Speaker 1: uh than Stallone's character. Yeah, and Dennis Leary's character, right, uh,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of thought he was the I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he was meant to be the protagonist, but
Speaker 1: I was way more into it. Like when he when
Speaker 1: he killed uh Nigel Nathaniel half or Nigel Hawthorne name, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forget that actor's name. Yeah, the guy who plays
Speaker 1: the like supreme leader King George Society. When he killed him,
Speaker 1: I was that was one of the best parts in
Speaker 1: the movie to me. I was like, I found myself
Speaker 1: rooting hard for the bad guy Nigel Hawthorne. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the throwing his his body that like very
Speaker 1: limp dummy onto the fire is kind of gruesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, It's something I noticed when I watched that,
Speaker 1: like I didn't pick up the other times I had watched.
Speaker 1: Was the interesting thing that alone Snipes and Dennis Leary
Speaker 1: all kind of want the same thing if they want
Speaker 1: the world to go back to how it was. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting that the hero the villain and this
Speaker 1: other kind of like anti hero guy all kind of
Speaker 1: want the same thing, but they're all opposed. I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, Stallone and Dennis Leary joined forces at some point,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. It's something that that you
Speaker 1: would think they can make a meal out of, but
Speaker 1: don't you know, and maybe kind of like speaks to
Speaker 1: the you know, kind of hodgepodge of a script that
Speaker 1: they were using. But yeah, I don't know. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no moment where Snipes and Stallone both say like, hey,
Speaker 1: we both missed the old ways, right, is there a
Speaker 1: way we could work together? It's it's yeah, I could
Speaker 1: have seen that though, Like I could see a version
Speaker 1: of this movie where Leary, Stallone and Snipes and maybe
Speaker 1: bring Sandra bu Look along because she's into it, team
Speaker 1: up to destroy this new uh and maybe make the
Speaker 1: guy from Shawshank Redemption the police chief. You know, he's
Speaker 1: always the ultimate bad guy. I don't know why they
Speaker 1: made him the second in command bad guy. I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: which his little his his to frame glasses, so funny
Speaker 1: it's the future frames. But yeah, I can see them
Speaker 1: teaming up and reverting back to the old days. But
Speaker 1: then it's It's sort of like those people who miss
Speaker 1: Times Square when it was a ship hole, right, yes,
Speaker 1: and yearned for the days when New York was dirty
Speaker 1: and scary. Yeah, which I have found myself do at times.
Speaker 1: And it's not doesn't make any sense, but I know,
Speaker 1: like Stallone wants there to be crime again so he
Speaker 1: can fight crime, right, Yeah, that is that is an
Speaker 1: interesting Yeah, it is an interesting exploration of that impulse.
Speaker 1: And I know exactly what you mean, and I do
Speaker 1: feel that way about l A sometimes when I see
Speaker 1: how it's changed, I'm like, I remember when this was
Speaker 1: a you know, dive bar, and you know you could
Speaker 1: buy cocaine in the bathroom, and right now it's a
Speaker 1: Panera bread right. Bread is better, right, honestly, and they
Speaker 1: have pizza now. Another one of the funniest parts was
Speaker 1: when um Wesley Snipes was finding he was sourcing bad
Speaker 1: guys from the past to thaw out and and make
Speaker 1: on his UH as his henchman. And then he chooses
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dalman. I love that guy. Every drummer would be
Speaker 1: the worst possible choice of someone to be on your
Speaker 1: bad guy team. Yeah, I know that is insane. What
Speaker 1: is he going to send him to do, Like, all right,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll be the guy that goes into the bars
Speaker 1: and drugs underage boys. That'll be your your job on
Speaker 1: the bad guy team. Yes, when we're waging or against society,
Speaker 1: we need someone to do that. Yeah, totally. And the
Speaker 1: thought that like all he has to do is thaw
Speaker 1: these guys out and they will follow him is very
Speaker 1: funny to just the assumption that like, well naturally they'll
Speaker 1: all do what I say. Yeah, it had a great
Speaker 1: ending too, with the It had an ending a re
Speaker 1: round two or three times because I couldn't quite make
Speaker 1: out exactly like I know Wesley Snipes ended up getting
Speaker 1: froze and being having his head kicked off or whatever.
Speaker 1: But the device and the means that it all happened,
Speaker 1: I just didn't quite get. I think it was a
Speaker 1: play on the beginning with the gasoline and the fire. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I think it is. It is kind of meant to
Speaker 1: be a parallel scene to that dystopia that we see.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so in that scene, Wesley Snipes, you know,
Speaker 1: punctures the gasoline can that is always in the room him.
Speaker 1: In an action movie, there's always just a fucking giant
Speaker 1: drum of gasoline. Yeah, like Doom. Like when you're playing Doom,
Speaker 1: there's just explosive barrels. So yeah, and then at the end, yeah,
Speaker 1: stallone punctures the like cryo tube and the you know
Speaker 1: in a very terminator to like way Leslie snipes freezes
Speaker 1: and then he gets his head kicked off. I think
Speaker 1: you're right. I think they were trying to like, you know,
Speaker 1: create parallel scenes echoes of the past, but it is, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a very confusing scene. It looks good, though, I
Speaker 1: mean it looks cool when you kicked the head off
Speaker 1: in the Frozen Blood and everything. I like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like great practical stuff in this, Like they definitely
Speaker 1: build the you know, the cryo Prison's definitely a built
Speaker 1: set with mechanical arms and ships. Yeah, it definitely. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if this was, you know, an Avengers movie, it would
Speaker 1: all be you know, c g I in Atlanta somewhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's got a cool practical look to it,
Speaker 1: like a lot of neat sets and stuff. Well, I
Speaker 1: think Jurassic Park was that same year, wasn't It was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety three, wild wild year for movies, So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it just missed out on. I mean, this would
Speaker 1: have been a completely different movie had it been released
Speaker 1: in I think, totally visually because uh and you know,
Speaker 1: that's one reason it looks a little corny is because
Speaker 1: they did use They're like, we're in l A, and
Speaker 1: we need to make it look like the future. So yeah,
Speaker 1: let's just sweep up and make everything look really clean.
Speaker 1: It's funny. There's the buildings they used for the future. Buildings.
Speaker 1: I used to work in one of them. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: and one of them is the Pacific Design Center that's
Speaker 1: by my old one. Totally, so yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like recognizable l A buildings in this they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be the future. You just gotta keep that camera tight.
Speaker 1: You gotta absolutely yes, don't. Yeah, don't don't handover to
Speaker 1: show the Marie Calendars that's next to this place, because
Speaker 1: all restaurants are Taco Bell. There would be no Marie
Speaker 1: Calendars in this world. Because oh that's good and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this. But a little uh factoid
Speaker 1: about the movie is that the Taco Bell was Pizza
Speaker 1: Hut in Europe. Oh that's funny because they don't, yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't know much about Taco Bell. So they dubbed
Speaker 1: they re shot stuff and they dubbed some stuff to
Speaker 1: make Pizza Hut the winner of the franchise wars. That's
Speaker 1: so funny, that's great. Which they offered to McDonald's by
Speaker 1: the way, and they and Burger King and I think
Speaker 1: they all turned it down fools. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: They that. I wish that Blu Ray I have had
Speaker 1: like a Pizza Hut cut on it, or you could
Speaker 1: watch it with Pizza Hut dubbed in. That would be
Speaker 1: fun so the fans. Another one of the funny lines
Speaker 1: was when pre Sex pre Virtual Sex, when Stallone is
Speaker 1: talking about the old ways, he goes, you know, boning
Speaker 1: the wild mamba, the hunka chunka chunka. I know, has
Speaker 1: anyone ever said that? No one ever, No one calls
Speaker 1: it the hunka chunka like maybe if if they if
Speaker 1: they said that was like Stallone improv I wouldn't I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be too surprised. Uh. And I think originally um
Speaker 1: Jean Claude van Dam was offered and Steven Seagal was
Speaker 1: offered to team up for this movie. I don't know
Speaker 1: who was going to be I guess Seagal would have
Speaker 1: been the bad guy. Maybe, Yeah, I can see it
Speaker 1: both ways. I guess Van Dam hasn't played too many
Speaker 1: bad guys until kind of recently. Um, I guess neither
Speaker 1: Stagal um interesting. Yeah, I don't know that would be
Speaker 1: that would be kind of a cool worst movie. Well,
Speaker 1: it says that neither one of them really wanted it
Speaker 1: would have been worse. Neither one of them wanted to
Speaker 1: play the villain. And then Stallone came aboard and he
Speaker 1: wanted Jackie Chan to play Simon Phoenix, and Jackie Chan
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, man, I got it like
Speaker 1: a really big following in Asia, and I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if they would be down with this because
Speaker 1: I'm the hero. That's interesting. Yeah, uh, I mean I
Speaker 1: think it worked out definitely with Snipes. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I any one of those guys would have been worse
Speaker 1: in the role. Although you know, to see Jackie Chan
Speaker 1: at his Jackie Chan stuff into this would be really cool.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they would have done you know, some free
Speaker 1: running and you know kind of funny, some funny, some
Speaker 1: funny fight choreography. But yeah, as far as like performance
Speaker 1: goes and nobody's nobody in that on that list is
Speaker 1: better than Snipes. Well. Stalone as late as last year
Speaker 1: said that he was developing a sequel while Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: and he said it's it's gonna happen, and I was
Speaker 1: I was very surprised to see that. I thought. When
Speaker 1: I read the article, I scrolled up very quickly to
Speaker 1: see what year that was, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be may be twenty yeah, two thousand three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good estimation. But no, it was just in
Speaker 1: he said that. He he said it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure if it is or not, but
Speaker 1: I think it could be, um pretty interesting to see
Speaker 1: what's what's going on with that? Now? Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I I would be fascinated to watch another one of these, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I you know, the hope is that it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be oppressively conservative, you know. Uh, but yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 1: I have no I can't really explain why this movie
Speaker 1: is in my brain like it is. And I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of people my age, it has stuck
Speaker 1: with us. It's amazing. I feel like when I talk
Speaker 1: to people and you know, the Three C shows or
Speaker 1: you know you can take this job and shovel it
Speaker 1: like all that stuff you know, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: All that stuff is so memorable. And every time I
Speaker 1: watched this movie, I'm like, I get why this is fun,
Speaker 1: but I don't understand why lives in my brain like
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, it's interesting. Well, I liked it, man,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a lot of fun. Um, I
Speaker 1: feel bad about walking out on It's okay. You know
Speaker 1: you just weren't ready. You weren't ready for demolition. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was. And I think maybe it's
Speaker 1: an interesting movie to watch for the first time because
Speaker 1: now you can you can definitely see it as a
Speaker 1: kind of a funny satire that hit on some levels
Speaker 1: and just missed on some others. But you know, I
Speaker 1: see what the potential of what it could have been. Um,
Speaker 1: like a robotcop almost totally. Yeah, it definitely like it
Speaker 1: is not as good at that tone as RoboCop is,
Speaker 1: but definitely seems to be trying for a similar thing.
Speaker 1: It has like, you know, more hard jokes than RoboCop does. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah it is it is. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 1: is trying to like hit that same target that just
Speaker 1: Obo Cop hits fucking dead on Bull's eye in this
Speaker 1: movie kind of well, Paul Verehoven, I mean, and it
Speaker 1: would have been amazing, you know. Yeah, I've never thought
Speaker 1: of that. That's a that is that is a very
Speaker 1: cool thing to imagine if Verehoven did this. But I
Speaker 1: guess wohldn't stars Starship Troopers was sometime around here in
Speaker 1: Toose ninety six or ninety seven. Yeah, so okay, well,
Speaker 1: so he was. He was busy doing that satirical action masterpiece, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I hadn't seen you it was ninety
Speaker 1: seven until I covered it on the show. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but Starship Troopers got by me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I totally loved it. Yeah, Starship Troopers is a blast
Speaker 1: and has aged so well and the yeah, like comedy
Speaker 1: is great and yeah just the like, yeah, just the
Speaker 1: you know, the fun of that movie is that's you know,
Speaker 1: the secret satire and a dumb action movie. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: cold take of course, but yeah, it comes across so well. Well, dude,
Speaker 1: this was a lot of fun to I want to
Speaker 1: tell you that you are find one credit for a
Speaker 1: violation of the verbal morality statue from any credits. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have any credits left to eat a
Speaker 1: taco bell. That was a pretty funny. I mean they
Speaker 1: go to the point where it was funny, and then
Speaker 1: they overdid it, and then it got so so much
Speaker 1: so that it was like a a Simpsons joke or something,
Speaker 1: and that you just hear it going off in the
Speaker 1: background and all these scenes. Yeah, great, really funny again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you just faintly in the background hearing the
Speaker 1: thing scold them for swearing. Is it is a good gag?
Speaker 1: Pretty awesome? Yeah, good gag. Sandra Bullook not understanding the
Speaker 1: aphorisms funny every time she was great. Yeah, originally Laurie Petty.
Speaker 1: Laurie Petty actually shot some scenes and so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't like still yeah, I think that was the
Speaker 1: that the stuff I read that to be the the
Speaker 1: subtext is that they couldn't stand each other. U interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, she would have. She would have been the
Speaker 1: mouth on that girl. Yea. Yeah. Looking her hair is
Speaker 1: like a man's haircut. Nice weird, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we get someone sexy and here get with? Yeah? Exactly? Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yes. Speaking of our last conversation of point break,
Speaker 1: I will you know, nineties Lori Petty is about as
Speaker 1: about as good as it gets. Um. But but you know,
Speaker 1: Sandy is so funny in this kind of underplays it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it worked out, totally. Agree, fun movie.
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Speaker 1: you know, spring for the hardcover. You're worth it. You're
Speaker 1: worth of it. Agreed, And I look forward to having
Speaker 1: you back to talk about another nineties cornball action. This
Speaker 1: is great. Yeah. I love this as a running as
Speaker 1: a running theme, I know Hodgeman as the Avengers movies. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we'll do Maybe we could do
Speaker 1: Commando or Predator or something perfect. I love it all right,
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Georgie. Yeah. Thanks. Movie Crash is produced
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