1 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protection of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: have an episode for you about Red Wall. Yes. Oh, 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: it's a fictional foods for the ages. It truly is hoofta. Yes, 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: we have so much fun researching this. We were just 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: talking about it before we started recording, how much fun 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: we had and how originally we were kind of batting 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: around ideas about what the next fictional food will be 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: and if you're worried, SpongeBob, will it will happen. We 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: just thought we had done too many animated animated series recently, 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: um and also down to Nabby will definitely happen. Don't worry, 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 1: don't worry. Yes, but we I went with this one 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: because of the listener Maile Hannah sent to us, and 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: I was just kind of delighted by the whole thing. 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: So thank you so much, Hannah for sending that message. 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: But of you know, rereading these books during the pandemic 17 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: and making the meals from them as you're rereading them 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: and listening to the audio podcast, and it just sounded 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: so nice and right, right, yeah, and that's kind of right, 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: like I was like, I was like, oh, man, like 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can. I don't know if 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: I can go to downtown Abbey right now. Like I 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: don't know if I can go to that place because 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: I like stopped watching the show because it was so upsetting, 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't want to be there 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: right now. I want to be And I had never 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: read any of the Red Wall books, Like, um, I 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: know you grew up reading them, but I had never 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: read any of them. So I was like, it sounds 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: like such a nice thing to like sit down and 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: read this like children's book on my couch right now. Yes, 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: it's which I love that you did. Um, but we 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: were worried there wasn't going to be enough material for this, 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: and the outline is nine pages long, so there was plenty. 35 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: Uh huh I did. I did read these as a 36 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: kid and loved them. Although you and I also had 37 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: a fun conversation wherein I remember this one covers specifically 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: of a mouse and jeans and a leather jacket with 39 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: a helmet on, which I love if and no one 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: knows if anyone is like, what are you talking about? Yeah, 41 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: we'll get into it a minute, but you said that 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: that might not even be read all other books. Yeah, 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's because I mean to be fair, 44 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: I've only read the first book now, and there are 45 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: twenty two of them, so like there's a great portion 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: of the work that I'm unfamiliar with. On a personal level. However, 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: I strongly believe that that's the mouse in the Motorcycle, 48 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: which is an eb white book. That would make sense 49 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: given the cover that I remember with the motorcycle on it. Yeah, 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: and I don't and the mouse, I don't think that 51 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: there are any motorcycles. And y'all right in let me know, yes, yes, 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: please let us know. I did eat them though, Like 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: I remember reading Red Walls specifically, not just the motorcycle 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: one that's probably not involved at all. Um. I remember 55 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: them being really fun and quick and pretty easy reads, 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: fairly comforting. Um. A lot of people have written a 57 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: lot about the food in these books. Even articles not 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: about the food in the books mentioned the food in 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: the books. Every every piece of writing that I've read 60 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: about them mentions the food, every single one. Yes, and 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: actually the authors spoke about why that is, which I love. Um. 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: And before we get into explaining what could be a 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: very confusing thing if you have no idea what we're 64 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: talking about. You can see our past fictional food episodes. Um, 65 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: perhaps particularly the Chronicles of Narnia. This was given me 66 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: similar vibes, similar vibes, yeah, um, but but right, so 67 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: so right. Uh. I I did read the first book 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: in the series, which is which is called Red Wall, 69 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and UM, I read it like sitting on my some 70 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: sometimes my roommate, UM, one of my roommates, Jet and 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: I have these nights where we're both just sitting on 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: our couch like independently reading things on our phones and uh, 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: you know, I mean sometimes like I'm on Twitter and 74 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: he's on Reddit, but like for the most part, it's 75 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: like like we're like reading comic books or something and 76 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: just having like a nice quiet evening together. And um, 77 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: so I was doing that with this first Red Wall 78 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: book and like just kept laughing out loud and being like, 79 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: my dude, I have to read this passage to you, 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: and because it was so dear, it was just like 81 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: really nice. Um. And and one of them that I 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: that I did mark in the book and that I 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 1: just kind of like want to highlight at the top 84 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: here is like why like why I'm tickled by this 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: episode and why it's heck, and nine or ten pages long. Um. 86 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: One of those lines is we can't sit about here 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: all day like two fat rabbits at a celery cho. Yes, 88 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: there's so much stuff like that. That's just said as 89 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: if it's fact. Yeahople talk that way and it is 90 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: very very sweet. Yeah okay. But so that being said, 91 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: does this bring us This probably really does bring us 92 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: to our question. I know that there is at least 93 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: one human out there who was deeply confused at this juncture. Yes, 94 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: and for you, one human, we will arrive at our question. 95 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: Red Wall, what is it well? Red Wall is a 96 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: media series stemming from a children's fantasy novel by the 97 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: same name that was first published in written by Brian Jacks. 98 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: He wrote twenty two novels in the series, prequels and 99 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 1: sequels and Tales, with the last being published just after 100 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: his death in Red Wall is also the name of 101 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: a place central to the series, Redwall Abbey, so named 102 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: for its for its red sandstone construction, and this abbey 103 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: is located in the pastoral moss Flower Country, UM and 104 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: is home to an order of anthropomorphic mice who espouse, 105 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: peace and community and the simple pleasures of life. Um. 106 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: And the series is about them and their animal friends 107 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: and their adventures battling when need be, the forces of evil, 108 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: those other animals that are bent on greed and suffering 109 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and general meanness. Yeah, the villains are very like over 110 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: the top one note. The good guys are very good. 111 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: The villains are very villainous, and you know, like right 112 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: down to their names, like like the like the good 113 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: badger in the first book is Constance. Uh, that's her name, 114 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: and like the bad guys have names like rage Ear 115 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: and like stuff like I'm like, what are you doing? 116 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: It's so cute? Um. Okay, the main series is uh, 117 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: middle grade, like it's meant for kids age like eight 118 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: and up or so um. Though Jack's also wrote a 119 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: number of picture books and trivia books about the world. 120 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: One of the picture books is specifically about a feast 121 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: in Redwall Abbey, and the illustrations were drawn in pastel 122 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: on butcher paper. So that's just heck and cute um. 123 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: A few stories from the series were adapted into an 124 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: animated TV show out of Canada that originally ran from 125 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: two thou two and recently Netflix bought the rights to 126 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: all twenty two books for another animated film and some 127 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: series is Yeah UM which are in development. More about 128 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: that later. There have also been a series of adventure 129 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: video games recently actually published in Dang opera that came 130 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: out in UM. Jack's was a big fan of opera. 131 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: It's the whole thing, UM, but more pertinent perhaps to 132 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: our interests here this is a food show. Jack's wrote 133 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: a cookbook based in the universe and UH more on 134 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: that in a A in a moment as well. UM. 135 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Jack's was born in Liverpool, England, on June fifteenth of 136 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine, and he lived there most of his life. UM. 137 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: He was three and four years older. Coincidentally, UM then 138 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and George Harrison, respectively, who went to the 139 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: same school and had the same English teacher, m who, 140 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: it would turn out, didn't just inspire Jake's to read 141 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: and write, UM, but actually showed a draft of read 142 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: Wall to a publisher for the first time, leading to 143 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: a five book contract that led to the phenomenon that 144 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: we know today. But that wouldn't happen until Jake's was 145 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: over forty years old because Okay, so after school he 146 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,359 Speaker 1: held a number of working class jobs, a sailor, fireman, longshoreman, 147 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: truck driver. He also did stand up comedy. Um began 148 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: his writing career with stage plays. He hosted a weekly 149 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: radio show called Jake's Town UM from nineteen eight through 150 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and six. It was local to Liverpool and 151 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: featured an opening song about Liverpool which mentioned the Stu 152 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: scouse and how if you've not had his Mama's you 153 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: haven't lived yet. Mm hmmm uh. Legend has it that 154 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: Redwall was born while Jake's was working as a delivery 155 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: truck driver in Liverpool in the early eighties. UM. One 156 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: of his roots had him deliver milk to Liverpool's Royal 157 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: waver Tree School for the Blind and he was invited 158 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: in for a cup of tea and to read to 159 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: the kids one day, and dissatisfied with the teen angst 160 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: that he found in the stories, he wanted to write 161 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: a story for them, UM, one that would be lush 162 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: with description. Um, not just of sights, but sounds and 163 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: smells and textures and tastes and brimming with adventure like 164 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: the stories that he grew up with. And yeah, food 165 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: just really is a binding thread through the books. Um 166 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: Like I said, I've only read the first one, but like, 167 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: food is mentioned on the first page and on the 168 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: last page. Um and and specifically the tending of crops 169 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: and the preparation of food is set not just as 170 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: a necessity but as a as a manifestation of kindness 171 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: and caring for your community and your home and yourself. Uh. 172 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: There's a prolonged siege of the abbey in that first book, 173 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: And one of the things that Jake's mentions frequently throughout 174 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: is that there are characters that are bringing food to 175 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: the front lines. Um Like, it becomes a plot point 176 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: that the characters do this. It always, it always fascinates 177 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: me what fantasy adventure books choose to focus on um 178 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: and and and food, from celebratory feasts to like simple 179 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: hard tack is just ever present as as physical and 180 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: emotional nourishment. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I feel like 181 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: those scenes when I look back at these books I 182 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: read as a kid or even even older, but I 183 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: just remember especially those kind of like feast scenes or 184 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: those scenes like the meal before the big battle where 185 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: it was nervous and there's always like that bonding of 186 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: her food and kind of the yeah, you know, you 187 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: haven't lived until you tried my mother's stew or whatever. 188 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: That kind of sharing of yourself and memories through this 189 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: in these like emotional, emotionally charged moments. Yeah yeah, yes, well, 190 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: speaking of we mentioned already. But The Red Wall Cookbook, 191 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: written by Jake's and illustrated by Christopher Denise, was published 192 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: in two thousand five, and it is split into four sections, 193 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: one for each season. Um. And each season is announced 194 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: with a poem, and each recipe comes with a label 195 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: indicating whether or not adult supervision is required, So it 196 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: is very much aim towards children. Um. The book opens 197 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: with a cute poem from Skipper of Otters about kitchen safety, 198 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: including the line some dads are good cooks too. That 199 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: is very old fashioned, but it is it is um. 200 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: The description reads, ever read a Redwall novel and wonder 201 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: exactly what Abbott's special Abbey trifle is, or how to 202 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: make shrimp and hot root soup. The delicacy of Otters 203 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: everywhere are Mole's favorite turnip and tater deeper never bye 204 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: in a prostrophe in going on here it kind of 205 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: tripping me up. But from the simple refreshment of summer 206 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: Strawberry fiz to Great Hall and Gooseberry Full. They're all here, 207 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: along with dozens of other favorites, sure to turn young 208 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: hands into seasoned chefs. Illustrated in full color with all 209 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: the charm and magic that is Redwall, a gift like 210 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: no other for fans of the series, old or new. 211 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: It is cute. UM. You can get. I was looking 212 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: on Amazon to get like a sample, and you can. 213 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: You can see some of the pages and it is 214 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: really sweet. Um. In the forward, Jake's wrote about growing 215 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: up during the time of World War Two, where many 216 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: foods were difficult to find, if not outright unobtainable, and 217 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: how as a child he'd read through his mother's cookbooks 218 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: um salvated at the illustrations UM, or he would feel 219 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: the surge of annoyance when a book from the library 220 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: contained a feast scene. UM. And I was confused by 221 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: this at first, but he clarified he was annoyed because 222 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: there was no description of the feast of the dishes, 223 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: of what they looked like and how they tasted, descriptions 224 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 1: that he wanted. So he said he wanted to quote 225 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: put things right in the Red Wall series, claiming that 226 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: the food is just as important to the saga as 227 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: anything else. I love it, yea mm hmmm, And just 228 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: as Jake set out to do. Feasts are indeed a 229 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: very important part of the saga, a space for bonding 230 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and connecting over food, like Abbot Mortimer's golden Jubilee, which 231 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: Abbot greased dustly, so they said a grace. It went 232 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: like this, fur and whisker, tooth and caw all who 233 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: enter by our door, nuts and herbs, leaves and fruits, berries, tubers, 234 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: plants and roots, silver fish whose life we take only 235 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: for a meal to make. Um. Yeah, there's a lot 236 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: of rhyming throughout, and there's also throughout just pages and 237 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: pages of characters discussing food they've eaten, and of course 238 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: preparing this food and eating it and enjoying it. And 239 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: as this suggest, these quotes suggest, plenty of our real 240 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: world foods do exist in this fictional one. One big 241 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: one is cheese, which makes sense, I suppose, given the 242 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: whole mice loving cheese thing we see so much in 243 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: children's media. I guess this might count as like the 244 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: shortest Laurence Killjoy corner ever. But real world mice don't 245 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: particularly like cheese. They'll they're gonna they're gonna go for 246 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: carbs first, like they'll eat anything, but like they're gonna 247 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: be for carbs first. Yeah, And I know, I know 248 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you talked about that in the past episode. I was 249 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: trying to remember which one. Maybe cheddar or did we 250 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: do one? I don't know anyway, Yeah, yeah, just where 251 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: this whole idea came from. I think it might have been, Yeah, 252 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: Swiss cheese, but anyway, interesting stuff. You know, the Saver 253 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: crew were always looking into these, trying to get to 254 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: the bottom of things, right, right, I guess, I guess 255 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: cheese is also a very um English like good, like 256 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: homey kind of kind of food. So yes, and speaking 257 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: of many of the foods included in Redwall are these 258 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of homey and comforting and warm and nostalgic foods, 259 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: simple foods you might say, described with such love like 260 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: even though they're simple, they're described in a way that 261 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: sounds yeah, and they do tend towards being just a 262 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: touch fantastical, um incorporating right, both real world ingredients and 263 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: familiar dishes and like woodlandy ingredients and dishes that sound 264 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: like like they should exist, but they definitely don't. Right right, 265 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: it's it's again. It reminds me of what we talked 266 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: about Chronicles of Narnia, the fictional foods episode we did 267 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: on that, where there's so much of it that just 268 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: sounds like you've forged it and it's from the woods 269 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: and so sustaining. But even though it's like from our world, 270 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: it does sound fantastical, like yeah, like like you're you're 271 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: just like oat cakes and I'm like, oh oatcakes like that. Yes, yes, 272 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: there's definitely stick, I know there, and there's definitely a 273 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: layer For me, as an American child grew up reading 274 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: a lot of British fantasy, that that does sound even 275 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: more fantastical, right right, yes, Okay, So here's another quote 276 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: that gives a real sense of these feasts um that 277 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: we hear so often about in these series. This one's 278 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: from the seventh book, The Bell Maker. It was a 279 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: joyous meal for honest creatures. Dishes were past to be shared, 280 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: both sweet and savory October ale and strawberry cordial tarts, pies, flawns, 281 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: and puddings served out and replaced by fresh delights from 282 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: red walls, kitchens, turnovers, trifles, breads, fond and salad. Pastis 283 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: and cheeses alternated with beakers of green sap, milk, mint 284 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: tea rose hip cup and elderberry wine. Mean yeah, yeah, yeah, 285 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: this dude loves a list as much as we do. 286 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: Um and and it is it is unrelenting um from uh, 287 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: I believe. The sixth book Martin The Warrior Dishes went 288 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: this way and that from PoTA paw, snow cream pudding, 289 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: hot fruit pies, colorful trifles, tasty Pasti's steaming soup, new 290 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: bread was shiny golden crusts, old cheeses studded with dandelion, 291 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: acorn and celery. Sugar plums and honeyed pears vied for 292 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: place with winter salads and vegetable flaws. It just sounds 293 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: so comforting to me. Okay, here's another quote from the 294 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: second book, The Moss Flower. You'll like goody stickle. Wait 295 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: till you taste her spring bush will soup, or her 296 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: oat and honey scones, piping hot and oozing butter, or 297 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: her apple and BlackBerry pudding with spices and cream, or 298 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: just her new yellow cheese with hot oven bread and 299 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: a stick of fresh celery. I a bowl of milk 300 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: with nutmeg grated on top of it. M m M. 301 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: I think I would. I think I would do oh um. 302 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: And And there's also a strong element of the politics 303 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: and morality of food and eating habits in the books 304 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: as well, partially because I mean the characters are woodland 305 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: creatures and some of them are carnivores. The villains mostly 306 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: um because like like gluttony and even heavy drinking aren't 307 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: particularly maligned as long as there's plenty to go around. 308 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: But there is a focus on like class politics and 309 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: hunger awareness and making sure that everybody has enough. I 310 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: will say, though, the carnivore thing is weird or the 311 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: longer that you think about it, because okay, like in 312 00:19:55,119 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: this world, fish are not anthropomorphic, but birds are, and 313 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: like bees are, so you can eat fish but not birds, 314 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: and you have to ask the bees to share their honey, 315 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: which involves learning the b language of course, of course. 316 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: But they eat custards. Um. And if birds are people, 317 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: where do they get the eggs or do they use 318 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: like a plant based egg substitute. I don't know. I 319 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: have some of that in my fridge, um like, and 320 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: they have lots of dairy products, but I didn't read 321 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: about any cows in the abbey and anyway, how how 322 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: the heck would my milk cows? And if it's not 323 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: cows that they're milking, like pretty much all the mammals 324 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: that are spoken about are anthropomorphic. So like, this is 325 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: one of my very favorite silly things that people do, 326 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: including me, who is a big fan of stuff, and 327 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: it analyzes everything where I love. Like, one of my 328 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: favorite interviews I've ever seen was when Jon Stewart review 329 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: George Lucas, Hey, it doesn't really make sense that, like 330 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: how did Darth Vader not sense that it was Leah 331 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: was his daughter? And George Lucas pause and he said, 332 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's been on my mind a 333 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: lot lately because there's just been so many movies lately, 334 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: kind of criticizing movies and also like pandom of movies. Um. 335 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: And then also uh, recently over on the other podcast 336 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: I Do Stuff Whenever told you, we did an episode 337 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: on the Problem of Susan, which if you haven't heard about, 338 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. It's kind of like if you're reading 339 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: the story, it's pretty graphics, so not for younger people, 340 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: but yeah, this is uh talking about Susan from the 341 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: Chronicles of Narnia. It's a short story that UM that 342 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: Neil Gaiman wrote that right addresses UM and I think 343 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: that we talked about it a little bit in our 344 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: Narnia episode. But just like Hooft, like she doesn't get 345 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: into heaven because she likes lipstick, that's weird. Yeah, but 346 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: it was really interesting because a lot of the interviews 347 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: with him, it was kind of like he just didn't 348 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: perhaps anticipate that we would read so much into that, 349 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: which I'm not saying is right or wrong, but yeah, yeah, 350 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: yeah to me, absolutely, yeah, the different podcast, but I 351 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: totally hear you, Laura, you started thinking about his Yeah, 352 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: one more example, because it's one of my favorites. I 353 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: can't remember if I've ever mentioned it on this show before, 354 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: but Um, in an interview about Star Trek the Next Generation, UM, 355 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: one of the oh goodness like writer producers, I believe 356 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: it was. I believe it was Rick Berman. Um was asked, 357 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: uh so for the for the for the for the 358 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: transporters you guys have you know, like like the transporters 359 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: involved this piece of technology called Eisenberg Uncertainty compensator because 360 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: of Eisenberg's uncertainty principle, which would say that transporters at work. Um, 361 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: and so he was asked about it and the interviewer 362 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: was like, how did how do how does how does 363 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: that work? Man? And dude was like, very well, thank you, 364 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: next question. Yes, oh, I love it. It's funny. I 365 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: do love analyzing this stuff, so I'm not critiquing it 366 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: in any way. I just find it kind of funny. Yeah, yeah, 367 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: and okay. So actually, after back to Red Wall though, UM, 368 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: after I wrote all of this out with like many 369 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:39,199 Speaker 1: question marks in our outline, UM, I kept doing reading 370 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: about the series, UM, and I saw a FID milk 371 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: being extended as a possibility for how they were obtaining milk. 372 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: But then apparently Jake's himself addressed this online at some point, UM, 373 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: saying that it's all plant plant SAPs plants based milks, 374 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: and based on that, I'm not entirely sure that he 375 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: understood how plant based milks work. But that's fine, that's fine. 376 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: It's not usually made from a SAP. It's usually that's okay, though, 377 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to nitpick to that level. Yeah, he 378 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: had it, he had it, he had thought about it, 379 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: he had an answer. Yeah, well, that's one of the 380 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: other funny parts to me too, is especially in something 381 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: it gets so popular, you get these and like now 382 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: Star Wars has explained all these questions. Fans had the 383 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: right right there, like oh well we didn't mean that 384 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: about the Kessel run, we meant this other And I'm like, okay, 385 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: that's fine exactly. Oh my goodness for such nerds. I 386 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: love it. Um. I didn't want to throw in here. 387 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: When I saw you typing this out, I thought of 388 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: the Nirvana song It's okay to eat fish because they 389 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: don't have any feelings. So you know, maybe there's some 390 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: fine and weird thing happening here. Yeah. Yeah, well, speaking 391 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: of what about the nutrition, don't eat books definitely don'tate 392 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: media series, Um, I mean in your brain. Yeah, Although 393 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: there is there is a quote. There is um an 394 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: an extended metaphor within the first book, UM from Methuselah, 395 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: who's this older um member of the abbey, who UM 396 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: kind of trickles down these little pearls of wisdom to 397 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: the main character, who's a young young mouse UM just 398 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: coming into himself, and he compares with these look compares 399 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: um knowledge to to food and how you gotta you 400 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: got it, you gotta eat it. You gotta eat it 401 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: up and and and and digest it and really you know, yeah, 402 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: I don't like that like that. I'm actually definitely um 403 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: somebody who I like to sit on an idea and 404 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: sleep on it because I think my brain really digest it. Yeah, 405 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: in the night. So I'm on board. Yeah. Um, we 406 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: do have some verse for you. Okay. So there is 407 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: a Red Wall Feast bot on Twitter. Yes, there is 408 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: um at Red Wall Feast that post about a food 409 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: or feast from the series every day. And like when 410 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: I was writing this, I went to check and there 411 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: was something posting that day, so oh yeah yeah yeah. 412 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: And these aren't to specify this is a bot. It's 413 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: not like it's not like drawing actual quotes from the books. Um. 414 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: Like the the these posts are written by the bot. Um. 415 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: The account has just shy of sixteen thousand followers. UM 416 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: two that have been posted within the past twenty four 417 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: hours as of this recording. Um Uh. It's called elderberry 418 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: and Larksburg cordial, very nice with hazelnut putting in gooseberries. 419 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: Go on, fill your plate, mm hmm. And then a 420 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: second one they set out shrimp and mushroom bake in 421 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: a parsley and turnip sauce, placed baked apples stuffed with 422 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: candied chestnuts, served with meadow cream on trays, and filled 423 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: a picture with gold insider. I mean that sounds good too, 424 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: which I mean it's it's very close. It's very close. 425 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: It's a very good bot. I love it. Yeah. Oh, 426 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: side note about meadow cream, because this is a this 427 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: is a food item that shows up in the books. 428 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: Um enough that fans asked Jake's about it at one 429 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: point and he responded, meadow cream is cream flavored with 430 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: the honey and sweet herbs of the meadow or any 431 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: alternative you want to try. Oh that sounds nice too, 432 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: I know. Oh well, as you mentioned earlier, Lauren. In February, 433 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: Netflix announced they were making a Red Wall series, and 434 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: they announced this via like a sub brand tweet. Um 435 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: like like at Netflix. Geeked tweeted this out. Um. The 436 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: tweet got over forty thousand likes, and it mentioned food. 437 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: The tweet read in in in hole big news, the 438 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: creator of Over the Garden Wall is working on a 439 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: Red Wall adaptation for Netflix. I'm already preparing myself for 440 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: the feast scenes. Yes, yes, and that's when I said earlier, 441 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: every article I read about this mentioned food, even if 442 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't about the food. This Like Netflix, everybody was 443 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: already like I'm going to make this when I watch it. 444 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: When I watched it, So it's it's very it's very 445 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: interesting to me. Um. Also, if y'all haven't watched Over 446 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: the garden Wall, it is well and truly bonkers in 447 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: a very sweet way. So this is extremely exciting news. Um. Uh. 448 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: The the Red Wall wiki red Wall dot fandom dot 449 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: com did a brief interview with Over the Garden Wall 450 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 1: creator Patrick McHale in April one following this news, and 451 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: he professed having been a fan of the books as 452 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: a kid. Um. He said he wasn't a big reader, 453 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: but but Red Wall and like Hitchhiker's Guide to the 454 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Galaxy and The Hobbit and Winnie the Pooh, we're all 455 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: up there for him. Um. And so that he was 456 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: at that point working on the screenplay. So that is 457 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: the news that I have. Um. And worldwide the books 458 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: have sold over thirty million copies. Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's 459 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: a whole thing. It is a whole thing. A lot 460 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: of build up to say, the whole thing and food 461 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: is very important to this whole thing, um, and we 462 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: did want to give some specific examples, yes, of some 463 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: of these dishes, and we will get into that after 464 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: we get back from a quick break forward from our 465 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: sponsors and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, 466 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: and okay, UM, may I start the section with like 467 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: a kind of lengthy quote please, Yeah, I don't. I'm 468 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: never sure how much we can get away with quoting 469 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: and things like this, but we are taught sucking substantially 470 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: about like the meat no pun intended or no, heck 471 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: it pun intended. Sure, let's just go ahead and say that, 472 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: um of these books, and so UM I wanted to 473 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: um to write to to to to illustrate the type 474 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: of conceptualization of of food and of food production that 475 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: these books UM talk about. So yeah, this is from 476 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: pretty early in in the first book down Long Ages, 477 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: the beautiful old abbey head stood for happiness, peace and 478 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: refuge to all diligent mice tended the neat little vegetable patches, 479 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: which every season gave forth an abundance of fresh produce cabbages, sprouts, marrows, turnips, peas, carrots, tomatoes, lettuces, 480 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: and onions. All in their turn, flower beds, hetty and fragrant, 481 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: with countless varieties of summer blooms, from rose to humble daisy, 482 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: were planted by the mice and husbanded by the hard 483 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: working beefolk, who, in their turn wore a red wall 484 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: with plentiful supplies of honey and beeswax. The two friends 485 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: wandered onwards, passed the pond. Gradually they made their way 486 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: around the big old chestnut trees into the orchard. This 487 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: was the abbot's favorite spot. Many a leisurely nap had 488 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: been taken on sunny afternoons with the aroma of ripening 489 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: fruit hovering in his whiskers. Apples, pears, quints, plums, Danson's 490 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: even a vine of wild grape on the warm red 491 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: stone of a south facing wall. Old Mother Nature's blessing 492 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: lay upon a haven of warm friendliness. Oh it's just 493 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: hack and wholesome as heck. Yeah, it's so from the 494 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: earth and this care, that tending to something and and 495 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: so seasonal and fresh, and yeah, it just has kind 496 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: of that vibe of when you plant something, and yeah, 497 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: it just feels taste more like wholesome and special and yeah, yes, yes, 498 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: um so okay, so so upon that basis of like 499 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: this like very like from the earth, uh, and of 500 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: the earth and salt of the earth, kind of kind 501 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: of vibe we get these dishes. Yes, And I wanted 502 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: to start with Deeper and never turn up and tater 503 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: and beat root pie. It's just just so fun so 504 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: fun um linguistically. Yeah, this dish was an extremely popular 505 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: dish at feast. Moles in particular adored it and it 506 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: was very, very filling. It was quite a large dish 507 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: composed of turnips, beans, beets, and potatoes, often served with 508 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: the side of tomato chutney. Um. And given that this 509 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: dish appeared in most of the nostalgic articles I read 510 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: about this series, it must have made quite the impression. 511 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: I think it's partially that that title it's just so dear. 512 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: It's just that's just very darling. Yes, that was in 513 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: my experience. The food item that was mentioned was that one. 514 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: The drink item was the strawberry cordial and we'll talk 515 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: about then there's Grayling Ala red Wall. This is also 516 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: from the first book in the series. A couple of 517 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: the main characters managed to catch this epic fish for 518 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: a feast and then one of the fryers sets about 519 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: preparing it. And here's a quote, Bring the white gooseberry wine. 520 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: Fetch me some rosemary, time beechnuts and honey quickly, and 521 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: now friends, he squeaked, waving a dandelion wildly with his tail. 522 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: Hi Hugo will create a gray ling ala red wall 523 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: such as will melt in the mouth of mice. Fresh cream. 524 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: I need lots of fresh cream. Bring some mit leaves too. 525 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: And obviously Friar Hugo being the legendary chef where he's 526 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: the viewpoint of the cookbook we mentioned earlier. Also, yeah, yes, 527 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: he sounds like an interesting fellow, very passionate about his job, 528 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: very very passionate. Then there's spicy hot root soup, which 529 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: is a dish favored by the Otters but enjoyed by all. 530 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: It's made up of water, shrimp, onions, leeks, and a 531 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: spicy sauce called hot root pepper, sometimes with additions like potatoes, horseradish, garlic, bulrush, 532 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: maristele reed mace, star wars, and bur reed um. It 533 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: is also used as one of the ingredients of Phantom 534 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: Warrior Soup mm hmmm, along with parsley wine, tree top 535 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: broth Ramsome and winter rose Hips, which is a lot 536 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: of This is really fun because it was kind of 537 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: a game of is this a real ingredient or yeah? Yeah, right. 538 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: I googled a number of things. I was like, is 539 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: snow cream putting a thing in England? Like is do 540 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: I just not know about that? And then I'm like, 541 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: oh no, no, he just made that up. That's right, 542 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, because there is snow cream, which is like 543 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: a southern uh United States dish where you take fresh 544 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: snow and you put sweet and condensed milk on it. Right, um, 545 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: but uh, but that's not but it's not a pudding. 546 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess like a putting in the concept 547 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: of a dessert, but it wasn't snowing at the time 548 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: in red Wall. Anyway, I'm thinking too much about this again. 549 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: I love it. And we're going to talk about the 550 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: confusion around putting in the US in America and the 551 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: US in America, the US game what I mean at 552 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: some point yeah, yeah, but right right, Uh. There there 553 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: are recipes out there for and I think in the 554 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: cookbook for shrimp and hotroot soup, so you can you 555 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: can make that one if you want to. One of 556 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: them sounded so good to me. It was kind of 557 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 1: like a kimchi. Yeah, that was a fan based one, 558 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: but it sounded amazing. In these books, there's another spicier 559 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: version of hot root pepper called red firebrand pepper from 560 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: Lands Across the Sea. Um concentrated a hot root pepper 561 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 1: is used as sort of a hot sauce as well. 562 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, in one of the books, there is a 563 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: hot root soup eating contest that is won by Abbass 564 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: bail Um. Oh. There's not much on this one, but 565 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: I love the name. It is called bubbling Bobs. Yeah. 566 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: It's an otter dumpling soup with leaks, white turnips, parsley 567 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: and other wild herbs um with the dumplings themselves composed 568 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: of carrot juice, cornflour, rolled oats, and shrimp. And I 569 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: love again, Like if anybody dropped into the middle of 570 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: this podcast and you didn't know what we were talking about, 571 00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: just the Otters love this one. The mold you know, 572 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: you know how Otters love leek soup, that's what obviously. Uh. 573 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: Then there are candied chestnuts. These are very popular snacks, 574 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: especially beloved by children. Are dibbins, as they're called in 575 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: the series, and they are often given to sick children 576 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: are children who have behaved well. Birds love them too, 577 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: and sometimes would exchange their service of spying for some 578 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: candy chestnuts. Yeah, totally, why not? And then going back 579 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: to that whole pudding thing, there is a dessert pudding 580 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: called Skilly and Duff with I had no idea what 581 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: this could be um, with Skilly being a thick sweet 582 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: sauce and Duff being putting our dough, perhaps a boil 583 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: dumpling type situation. It was primarily made by shrews, but 584 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: water creatures sometimes made it too, and have a wide 585 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: range of ingredients like arrowroot, dam sums, plums, chestnuts, and blackberries. However, 586 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: there is a savory version with seafood, potatoes, sea salt 587 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: and pepper. And yeah, again this is the outside the 588 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: scope of this episode. But how to read a whole 589 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: article about what pudding means here versus the UK okay? 590 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: Got it? Okay? Um? Captain Slip attempted to make Skilly 591 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: and Duff from memory in the book The Billmaker, but 592 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: it was the last a bit of a disaster. Oh no, indeed. 593 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: And then moving on to drinks again, drink items, we 594 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: have in our real world exists in this one too, 595 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: like ale and wine, though often with a little twist 596 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: that makes them, yes, a bit more fantastical. The drinks 597 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: that Red Wall Abbey are typically brewed by the cellar master, 598 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: a position most often held by a hedgehog. Yeah, hedgehog. 599 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 1: The books imply tend a little bit towards drunkenness. Um, 600 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: in like an endearing way. Yes, and they're very like 601 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: proud of this profession. Yeah yeah, um alright. So has 602 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: mentioned another item that popped up frequently during the research 603 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: for this was strawberry cordial also called strawberry fizz, which 604 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: is a beverage that appears in almost every book in 605 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: the series. It's a must at feast, particularly named day 606 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: the day the abbott or abbess names the season, which 607 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: is kind of the whole thing. Yeah, the whole thing, 608 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: we'll say that. Yeah. Um. Divins love this drink because 609 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 1: it's sweet and it's fizzy. It's usually served cold, and 610 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: the color is mostly clear, perhaps with a light tent 611 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: since it has to be strained before serving. Yeah. I 612 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: think that the strawberry cordial is used to make the 613 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: strawberry fizz and cordials in this instance, are not referring 614 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: to an alcoholic beverage, but rather a like likely syrupy 615 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: sweetened fruit drink. Yeah, yes, Um, but there's also something 616 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: called october nut brown ale, which is a foamy, dark 617 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: brown drink that is kind of fussy. Um. It is 618 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: kept in barrels and needs constant tapping and tasting. Although 619 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell, I think that's according to the seller 620 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 1: masters in question. I think that I think that they're like, 621 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: oh man, we really have to keep an eye on 622 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: that October ale. We better go down and uh try 623 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more of that, just to just to 624 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: make sure, just to make sure. Yes, it's all on 625 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: the up and up, we assure you. But yes, it 626 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: is a storied beverage that was being made before Redwall 627 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: Abbey was built. Um. It is brewed and fermented during autumn, 628 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: and the recipe and methods of the brewing are a 629 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: source of pride amongst those who brew it, and thus 630 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: kept secret. Like strawberry cordial, it is a staple at 631 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: meals and feast, the inspiration behind many ballads. Um, and 632 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: it goes very well with cheese ease. M I love 633 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: that ballads. And then a few honorable mentions. There's a 634 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: buttercup and Honey, Cordial dandelion and burdock, cordial apple, cider, 635 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: nut brown beer, shrew beer cup o Cheer, which is 636 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: a very sweet and very fizzy wine composed of rhubarb 637 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: and honey, and a variety of grogs seweed rock, shark 638 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: tooth grog, scorpion stain grog, old turtle bee rock, strong 639 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: adder stain grog, blistery barnacle grog, and old lobster claw grog. 640 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: Of course, of course. Yeah, there's a number of seafaring 641 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: books um later on and uh, and also I get 642 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: the feeling that that Jake's pulled on his experience as 643 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: a sailor and was kind of really making fun of 644 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,959 Speaker 1: himself and his compatriots. Yeah. I'm also a big fan 645 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: of just putting old in front of something, especially with 646 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: an E. Yeah. Yeah, I'll never forget. I'd built in 647 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: our Dungeons and Dragon campaign, I had built this like 648 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: bulletin board that was essentially you know, the town square 649 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: here adventures you can go on. And I was like, 650 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: certainly they're going to go this way or this right 651 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: this way, but of course we immediately you immediately went 652 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: to go see the fortune teller whose name was Old Lumpy. 653 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: How could we turn down Old Lumpy as an adventure choice? 654 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: To be fair, that's yeah, you're right, you're right. Looking back, 655 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: you shouldn't give us a goofy option if you don't 656 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 1: want us to take it. I should have had Old 657 00:42:54,920 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: Lumpy serve old Lobster claw rock. You should have Oh goodness, 658 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: well yeah, and and that's yes. I think that's about 659 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: what we have to say about Red Wall. It's um 660 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: it's it's very I mean, even I was saying to 661 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 1: Annie before before we did this episode, like, reading the 662 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: book is so interesting because I know that, like I 663 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: know that was a long time ago, right, this is 664 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: a thing that actually I'm coping with on a fairly 665 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: regular basis now. But but like the book, the first 666 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: book certainly reads is very old fashioned, even from the 667 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: standpoint of um and and um in in in a 668 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: mostly delightful way. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, it's got a 669 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 1: very That's why I keep thinking about Chronicles of Narnia 670 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: because there's yeah, yeah, it feels like he was really 671 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: trying to write something that was coming out of of 672 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: the World War two era, and you know, the more 673 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: that I read, the more I'm like, oh, yeah, no, 674 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. Um, and it's it's like 675 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: it's very sweet and in some ways, um, very weird. 676 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: But I think that that's I think that that's a 677 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: conversation for for a different show. Yes, yes, um, but 678 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: we're always happy to have these conversations about fictional foods 679 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: analyze them, perhaps far too deeply or perhaps not deeply 680 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,840 Speaker 1: enough Lauren. Um, but yes, that is what we have 681 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: to say for now. It is. We do have some 682 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: listener mail for you, though, and we're going to get 683 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: into that as soon as we get back from one 684 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: more quick break for a word from our sponsors, and 685 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: we're about thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you, and we're 686 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: back with listen Fantastical. Yeah. Annie and I both raised 687 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: a sword, I believe at the Yeah, yes you get me, 688 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: Lauren M. Sheldon wrote before listening to it, when I 689 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: saw the title of Condensed Milk, my first thoughts were 690 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: that I would be able to send you something that 691 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: you didn't know, something that my wife taught me over 692 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: forty five years ago. She taught me something that I 693 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: showed to a lot of people and they were amazed 694 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: and had never heard about it. Then I listened to 695 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:48,879 Speaker 1: the podcast, and well, dahn you, Lauren, you also knew 696 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 1: that trick of boiling the can of sweet and condensed 697 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: milk to make caramel. How come she's the only one 698 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: I've ever met bull sort of met that knew that trick, 699 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: And over years still your podcast reminded me. But again, 700 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm slow, unlazy. But finally today I got some and 701 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: cooked up a can for my wife, who hasn't had 702 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,720 Speaker 1: it in almost twenty years. It was a good surprise 703 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: for her. That's lovely. I hadn't heard of it, So 704 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: you know you're educating me. I was. I was taught 705 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: that one by a friend of mine back in my 706 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: like college slash like just slightly post college days. One 707 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: of my friends from like an internet forum, um taught 708 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: me that one. So uh so, I just I just 709 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,240 Speaker 1: know too many good people. That's the problem. That's the problem, alright. 710 00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: M oh but yeah, um Cappy wrote, and I hope 711 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: that I'm I hope that I'm pronouncing that correctly. Let 712 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: me know if I'm not a long time listener. Since 713 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: you went by the former name, Fellow Dungeons and Dragons 714 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 1: Players slash GM and even longer time food lover. Seriously, 715 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,720 Speaker 1: most of the stories of my childhood are about times 716 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,319 Speaker 1: adults thought I wouldn't eat something, and then I did. 717 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: But I'm writing today hoping to inspire a future episode. 718 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,760 Speaker 1: On my honeymoon in Iceland, we visited the west Meyer 719 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: Islands and during a celebratory dinner, I had a dessert 720 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: that was basically a sorrel and moss granita. I had 721 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: never eaten either sorrel or Iceland moss, and it was amazing. 722 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: Flash forward two pandemic times and I took up gardening. 723 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: One of the options for seeds I could get was sorrel, 724 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: and remembering the granita, I decided to give it a go. 725 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 1: Lo and behold, it was the only thing that truly thrived. 726 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: So we wound up eating it a lot, sorrel salad, 727 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: sorrel and cream, fish sauce, sorrel soup otherwise known as 728 00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,879 Speaker 1: green borch oh and sorrel. Still any who, it's been 729 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,240 Speaker 1: making me think that if I reached my mid thirties 730 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: without having heard of this food, which turns out to 731 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 1: be delicious, versatile, nutritious, and really easy to grow, maybe 732 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,440 Speaker 1: more people should know about it. Which is when I 733 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,759 Speaker 1: thought to write you. I've been meaning to do so 734 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,759 Speaker 1: since the summer, but well, life, so I'm doing it now. 735 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: I hope you are both well. Hope you continue to 736 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: be so. But once it's an option, please come to 737 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: a show in d C. And if you ever decide 738 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: to do a food based D and D game, please 739 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: use it as a fundraiser. Yes, yes, oh yeah, you're 740 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: about to get bombarded. Lauren uh our friend and co 741 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:48,040 Speaker 1: worker Samantha is determined to do a Dungeons and Dragon 742 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: show with us. Yeah, she's got a whole pitch. Just 743 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,040 Speaker 1: you wait. But my point being, it's not outside the 744 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: realm of possibility. Oh, it's never been outside the realm 745 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,879 Speaker 1: of possibility. Certain, No, no, so we'll we'll touched back 746 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,840 Speaker 1: in about that. Yeah, I know. And if when when Sam, 747 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: when Sam sets her mind to something, it usually happens. 748 00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: So she's determined. She has a whole plan of how 749 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: she wants to do it. Alright, here you'll hear about um. Also, yeah, 750 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 1: I don't know much about Sorrel. I've heard of it, 751 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: but that's kind of the extent of it. But it's 752 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: to the point if it had showed up in the 753 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 1: ingredients list and any of these quotes we're reading from Redwall. 754 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: It sounds fantastical to me because I don't know much 755 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: about it. I think it was in some of the 756 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: reading that I did for for this episode. Yeah, yeah, 757 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,360 Speaker 1: I hope, yeah, and I hope I pronounced. My internet 758 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,160 Speaker 1: is like not working well enough for me to look 759 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: up words at this juncture in in the recording. Um, 760 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: so I hope that Granita and Sorrel are the ways 761 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: that you say those things. Yes, yes, I do as well, 762 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,800 Speaker 1: but I guess we'll find do this episode. The thanks 763 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: you were making sounds so delicious right on having a 764 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 1: successful Sorel plan. Absolutely, I mean also, like anything, Pesteo 765 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: is basically the best. So yes, yes, and I want 766 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: it and I want it, but not to write not today, 767 00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:29,440 Speaker 1: not a day, but soon hopefully. Um thanks to both 768 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,479 Speaker 1: of those listeners for writing to us. If you would 769 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: like to write to us, you can Our email is 770 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,839 Speaker 1: Hello at savor pod dot com. You can also find 771 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: us on social media. We are on Twitter, Facebook, and 772 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: Instagram at saver pod and we do hope to hear 773 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: from you. Savor is production of I Heart Radio. For 774 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: more podcasts, My Heart Radio you can visit the I 775 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 776 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our superproducers Dylan 777 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 1: Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you for listening, and 778 00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,640 Speaker 1: we hope that lots more good things are coming your way.