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Speaker 3: Well, the dust hast settled on the best reality TV
Speaker 3: show anywhere, that would be the NFL Draft. And now
Speaker 3: it's down and back to reality as we are back
Speaker 3: in here in the SWBC podcast studio for Mick Shots,
Speaker 3: Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, and it's the return of Everson Walls,
Speaker 3: who is right now scanning the undrafted free agents out there,
Speaker 3: knowing that there's gonna be in Everson Walls in this
Speaker 3: group song, I.
Speaker 4: Am looking at a man named Eric Scott. Thank you
Speaker 4: very much.
Speaker 2: You go see what he's going to do for the boys.
Speaker 3: Got your corner back there, traded traded a fifth round
Speaker 3: pick next year in order to get into the top
Speaker 3: of the sixth round.
Speaker 5: And take that cornerback out of Southern Miss My sleeper
Speaker 5: of the draft.
Speaker 3: Really really yes, Okay.
Speaker 5: There's something to this kid and the reason one of
Speaker 5: the reasons why he uh kind of fell out of
Speaker 5: a lot of the Draft Knicks analysis is they saw
Speaker 5: a cornerback and they saw a forty time of four
Speaker 5: to seven.
Speaker 3: They did, and they thought they they did, then they thought,
Speaker 3: oh it might be ever Walls.
Speaker 4: Right, hey, I just see a couple of Walls plays
Speaker 4: right here. Now this guy's block.
Speaker 5: But what happened on his I think it was during
Speaker 5: his pro day that two steps into his forty he
Speaker 5: pulled a quad and he finished right that really running
Speaker 5: a four to four.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, well, like if you if you were in
Speaker 4: a four to seven, you really don't have any quad.
Speaker 5: You know what he did, and you know what he did.
Speaker 5: He ended up doing workouts for the Cowboys and sending
Speaker 5: them video. I'm sure his agent had a.
Speaker 2: Little bit to difficult. That's good marketing.
Speaker 5: And if you look at his highlights, you know he's
Speaker 5: had two interceptions, both for touchdowns, and he can scoot,
Speaker 5: so he may have fallen that far just because of
Speaker 5: that forty.
Speaker 3: Well, and the Draftnicks needed to look at his vertical
Speaker 3: and his broad jump. His vertical is thirty nine and
Speaker 3: a half and his broad jump eleven one, and he
Speaker 3: had sixteen bench reps twenty five pounds that's pretty good.
Speaker 3: How about sixteen bench reps for a cornerback.
Speaker 4: Of two hundred's having walls because I couldn't do any
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 3: So there you go, right off the top. It's Eric Scott.
Speaker 5: We're just start.
Speaker 4: We're going all the way down to the six wounds.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 3: We've got so much to get to, so little time
Speaker 3: to get there. All right, let's go, Uh, mickey, where
Speaker 3: would you like to start with our draft recap?
Speaker 5: Let's go with the first round pick, Mozzi Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 5: I've already nicknamed him the mos okay and uh now
Speaker 5: you did you see his bench press thirty four two
Speaker 5: twenty five thirty four times? Think about that?
Speaker 3: This guy might be the strongest player in the entire draft. Well,
Speaker 3: he's There were some that had thirty nine. It was
Speaker 3: one that had a thirty nine. Uh interest, But I'm
Speaker 3: talking about just as far as right power of the
Speaker 3: strength and the explosion and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: And I think long arms too, which takes a lot
Speaker 5: more effort.
Speaker 3: Ye, there's some thirty nine and some guys who can
Speaker 3: put up thirty nine reps, but they got twenty nine
Speaker 3: in charms.
Speaker 5: They ain't got fired to push it. And I just
Speaker 5: I'm all over this kid, his nature, his personality.
Speaker 3: He's got a Mica presence to him, yes, just the
Speaker 3: way he carries himself and the confidence that he has
Speaker 3: his upbringing.
Speaker 5: I mean, he may be strong, but I think he's
Speaker 5: pretty tough. And that's what you want in a nose tackle, right.
Speaker 3: That's why Micah was so excited about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no kidding, here's somebody's gonna keep people off me.
Speaker 5: And vandersh should have been excited too, But this guy
Speaker 5: doesn't look like he gets moved very much. So I
Speaker 5: like that. He said that when somebody tried to describe
Speaker 5: how fast he was or no, how strong he was,
Speaker 5: and he said, well, one of my friends said, I
Speaker 5: was like a refrigerator when you push it down a hill.
Speaker 5: So watch out for the.
Speaker 3: Moment helps up steam in a hurry, you know.
Speaker 2: And we want the only ones interested in it, right,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 5: Well, there was two defensive tackles went right after uh huh.
Speaker 4: By the way they said the chiefs. The Chiefs were
Speaker 4: trying to trade up to get Mazi.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the cowboys you know, they it's like, nah,
Speaker 5: I think we'll we'll do. And so before we get
Speaker 5: into pick by pick. I just wanted to point out
Speaker 5: a couple of things before we start. It's kind of
Speaker 5: what I wrote in my column to wrap up the draft.
Speaker 5: Number one, you got to remember where the Cowboys were drafting, right.
Speaker 5: You know you're at twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight,
Speaker 5: twenty five for all your picks, the rounds are getting
Speaker 5: picked over. There were a lot of guys they were
Speaker 5: interested in that went off the board, and they had
Speaker 5: to just kind of sit there and be patient and
Speaker 5: follow their board. The other thing I think you need
Speaker 5: to remember if you're going to be honest about the draft,
Speaker 5: they spent three draft picks on trades for starters, right.
Speaker 5: They used the draft pick on brand and Cooks. They
Speaker 5: used the draft pick on Stefan Gilmore, and they use
Speaker 5: the draft pick on Jonathan Hankins. So if you throw
Speaker 5: those three guys into the total of their draft, I
Speaker 5: think they did a pretty darn good job considering where
Speaker 5: they were drafting, because it's not easy to draft that late,
Speaker 5: and it's usually not easy to be patient enough and
Speaker 5: not start trading picks again to move up for a
Speaker 5: certain guy. So I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 4: Well, I must say, once you establish having great first
Speaker 4: round picks over a number of years. You know, especially
Speaker 4: in the last ten twelve years, we've done extremely well.
Speaker 4: I'm going to put my trust in will you know.
Speaker 4: That's just the way I see it. If he thinks
Speaker 4: he's good, you've proven to me that I can trust
Speaker 4: you with first round picks. And this guy here seemed
Speaker 4: like to be no exception. Seemed like no exceptions.
Speaker 2: Off, all right.
Speaker 3: And I tweeted this out on Friday. On Friday morning,
Speaker 3: just doing some more research on Mizi Smith, I discovered
Speaker 3: a Philadelphia Eagles based podcast called Inside the Birds Podcast
Speaker 3: and Greg co Sell, who is a well respected talent
Speaker 3: evaluator in the league or in the medium. He on
Speaker 3: one of the podcasts leading up to the draft, he
Speaker 3: was talking about Mozzy Smith and the quote that I
Speaker 3: tweeted out from that podcast, he said, there's not another
Speaker 3: defensive line prospect in this class, including Jalen Carter, with
Speaker 3: the size, mass, live feet and short area explosives as
Speaker 3: Mozzi Smith. He's a pretty rare prospect.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And when you look at with the remember Randy White
Speaker 3: said for years, the manster said for years, you know
Speaker 3: what the Cowboys need on this We need those big
Speaker 3: bazukas in the middle of the offensive line, and in
Speaker 3: this draft, there weren't very many of those big bazukas
Speaker 3: in the middle of a defensive line, meaning a defensive
Speaker 3: tackle who is three hundred and twenty pounds or greater. Really,
Speaker 3: if you look at the five, they're about a handful
Speaker 3: that got drafted, maybe four or five of those defensive
Speaker 3: tackles who are three twenty or greater. One of them
Speaker 3: is Jalen Carter, who I mean, you look at his
Speaker 3: tape at Georgia and you can make a a great
Speaker 3: assessment that he is the number one player in this draft.
Speaker 3: The way he played. It's the other stuff that dropped him.
Speaker 5: Down, all right, And there was a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you got Mazzie Smith, who is the
Speaker 3: twenty six pick of the draft. And then the next
Speaker 3: one there's a siaki Ika from Baylor. I think he
Speaker 3: went in the early he went number ninety eight overall.
Speaker 3: KeAndre Coburn from Texas went in late in the draft
Speaker 3: to Kansas City, sixth round pick, and that was basically
Speaker 3: it as far as those types. There's other defensive tackles,
Speaker 3: but they're three hundred and three oh five or whatever. Right,
Speaker 3: when you're looking at a guy who can play over
Speaker 3: eas and with the athleticism, and then the cowboys have
Speaker 3: talked about that, you can use him in a different
Speaker 3: way than what he was used in Michigan and unleash
Speaker 3: some of that athleticism that he's got.
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you what, when you see him in person.
Speaker 5: Whatever weight they listed him at, it's choice pounds. By
Speaker 5: the way, it's not big sloppy. He can put on
Speaker 5: another ten to fifteen pounds.
Speaker 3: But you saw and he used to weigh another twenty
Speaker 3: five pounds. Oh yes, And when he's there's a before
Speaker 3: and after picture of him when he got to Michigan
Speaker 3: and he got in that weight room and he transformed
Speaker 3: his body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one of the real reason why I
Speaker 2: make he likes this guy. I was looking at his bio.
Speaker 5: He graduated with a degree creative Writings to become a screenwriter.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hand off to him, right, he can have
Speaker 5: mixed shots column all right, his well, his his his
Speaker 5: parent no grandparents put out a a newspaper during the
Speaker 5: Civil unrest in the sixties. I believe in grand rapids. Yeah,
Speaker 5: put out and it was a you know, a supplemental
Speaker 5: type newspaper, not the city newspaper, their own newspaper. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it was called the organizer. He's got he's got writing
Speaker 5: genes if nothing else, right, it's.
Speaker 3: A renaissance man, yes, absolutely so. Yeah, so we're all
Speaker 3: I'm all on board with Mazzie Smith, all right, and
Speaker 3: you know they're as Everson alluded to, their opportunities to
Speaker 3: trade down whatever, well it sounded like whoever's going to
Speaker 3: trade up at Mazzi on their mind. And in this draft,
Speaker 3: I think it was a deeper draft as far as
Speaker 3: overall now, but as far as the elite first round talent,
Speaker 3: it was it was a more shallow draft. And so
Speaker 3: you could make the case, yeah, you can benefit from
Speaker 3: having more draft picks in the third and fourth round
Speaker 3: or so forth, what you might be able to get.
Speaker 3: But for what this team needed for this defense, what
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn wanted for this defense, what Micah Parsons wanted
Speaker 3: for this defense, they needed to stay where they were
Speaker 3: and take the best player available right there for this team.
Speaker 5: And let's remember that eleven of seventeen opponents rushed for
Speaker 5: at least one hundred yards against the Cowboys and in
Speaker 5: their five losses, everybody rushed for at least one hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty six yards, including Green Bay with two oh
Speaker 5: seven and I think Jacksonville ended up with one ninety two.
Speaker 5: So if you look at their losses, what happened. They
Speaker 5: had problems stopping the run and they needed somebody in
Speaker 5: the middle. It got better after they made the draft
Speaker 5: deadline trade for Jonathan Hankins. Unfortunately he got nicked up
Speaker 5: and didn't get to play as much. Now they re
Speaker 5: signed him, and someone to say, well, they've already got
Speaker 5: Jonathan Hankins, Well, Jonathan Hankins has got a battle on
Speaker 5: his hand to get snaps, I think with this kid here.
Speaker 3: But it's a good Yeah, it's a rotation on the
Speaker 3: defensive line. Mike McCarthy talked about it last week in
Speaker 3: the pre draft press conference. It's emulating what the Cowboys
Speaker 3: did back in the nineties, where you're rotating guys in
Speaker 3: there on the defensive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's a weird little title for the young man
Speaker 4: to take with me.
Speaker 2: Was named number one.
Speaker 4: Freak in college, Yes, yeah, right by the athletic the
Speaker 4: athletics Bruce, Yeah, I never heard of this guy.
Speaker 5: I never heard of that he did a freak like
Speaker 5: he does that every year, every year.
Speaker 3: Called last year, I can't remember who it was, but
Speaker 3: he was a number one on the list list about
Speaker 3: a dozen to fifteen freak athletes. I mean just they're
Speaker 3: rare type athleticism, and Mozzi was at the top of
Speaker 3: his list.
Speaker 2: Excellent. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 3: So all right, we're all on board with Mazzi.
Speaker 5: Good on Mazzi, Okay, second round, good.
Speaker 3: On schoon Maker, Luke Schoonmaker, the tight end out of Michigan,
Speaker 3: another Michigan man.
Speaker 5: So here's the here's the downside of drafting where they
Speaker 5: did because I think they thought and everybody else must
Speaker 5: have thought it too, that Sam Laporta would end up
Speaker 5: dropping to them, Right, everybody's going to take Mayor And
Speaker 5: who's everybody?
Speaker 3: Who's everybody's think of that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody everybody that was predicting. Okay, right, not the
Speaker 5: scene called because the team's so called. But the Cowboys
Speaker 5: were hoping, right, and that hope went right out the
Speaker 5: door with the third pick in the second round when
Speaker 5: Detroit took Sam Laporta.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan Campbell a tight end by nature. He did
Speaker 3: not think that Sam laporter would drop all the way
Speaker 3: to fifty eight in the second round.
Speaker 5: Obviously no, obviously not. And he was. He was probably
Speaker 5: the best all purpose tight end, not a guy that's
Speaker 5: just going to be vertical, lineup out wide and catch passes.
Speaker 5: He can do everything. And that's what they were looking for,
Speaker 5: a tight end that could do everything, including blocking. And
Speaker 5: I'll go back to you know, they're at primes problems
Speaker 5: late in the season running the football. I don't think
Speaker 5: they got much from their tight end.
Speaker 2: They did in the blocking what happened there, So I'm not.
Speaker 4: Gonna list bags I was. I was looking at Maya.
Speaker 4: I thought Mayor would be an excellent pick for him.
Speaker 5: That was my He he went with the next pick, right.
Speaker 4: And so they don't think that he's as all around
Speaker 4: in regards to blocking. Who's that the Cowboys we don't think, well,
Speaker 4: we think that that Meyer was really all around tight
Speaker 4: end that we needed.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: I think I think they had them group together, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I don't we don't know how they how they
Speaker 3: had them rated, but I think they probably had a
Speaker 3: group of four or five that they were all that
Speaker 3: they were good with drafting, and in an early round
Speaker 3: in the second round. Yeah, and and Schoonmaker obviously was
Speaker 3: one of those guys because they took him, but I
Speaker 3: think Dalton Kincaid would have been. And he was the
Speaker 3: first one to go just ahead of them in the
Speaker 3: first round. And then you had Laporta and Mayor and
Speaker 3: then Luke Musgrave went forty two to Green Bay. So
Speaker 3: there's four right there that came off the board, and
Speaker 3: that the difference.
Speaker 4: I think the difference was they probably think he's a
Speaker 4: better run blocker than all of than all those four. Well,
Speaker 4: they didn't truly think that that has something to do.
Speaker 4: That was the difference in regards to picking him out
Speaker 4: of the four.
Speaker 3: That they were available, but they were no, they weren't,
Speaker 3: they were gone, they were on, Yeah they were so
Speaker 3: so it was more like, all right, it's the drop
Speaker 3: off in their opinion. Yeah, And so that's why they
Speaker 3: felt like they needed to go ahead and use the
Speaker 3: second round or on him, because they didn't they had it.
Speaker 3: The next grouping of tight ends were were maybe I
Speaker 3: don't know what.
Speaker 4: I would have to say that he out of the
Speaker 4: second group of tight ends, he's probably a better blocker
Speaker 4: than that particular group that was available.
Speaker 5: The fifth he was the fifth.
Speaker 2: Tight end understand so well.
Speaker 3: And the other my big Green notebooks. Darnell Washington was
Speaker 3: another one that I think they probably liked, but they
Speaker 3: didn't like the medicals on it, and so they were
Speaker 3: not going to draft him, and he wound up going
Speaker 3: late the third round of Pittsburgh and so there's some issues.
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to be a running team.
Speaker 4: So I think that these tight ends they're looking at,
Speaker 4: whoever they fall to, it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: They'd better be able to block and be able to
Speaker 2: catch the ball.
Speaker 5: Yes, I saw one name came up undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2: It was a full back.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of them. Actually, that Princeton Fant from
Speaker 3: Tennessee is also a full back type. He's not he's
Speaker 3: not the tighty end height. He's like six to one
Speaker 3: down here. But Hunter Lipke from North Dakota State who
Speaker 3: ran for a lot of yards at North Dakota State,
Speaker 3: but two hundred and thirty five pounds. He I had
Speaker 3: him on my radar and I think he was probably
Speaker 3: a draftable guy. Didn't get drafted, but he's six to
Speaker 3: one and a quarter two hundred and thirty four pounds
Speaker 3: and actually could carry the ball too. I mean he's
Speaker 3: more than just a fullback because he ran for a.
Speaker 2: Lot of carrying the ball.
Speaker 3: No, I mean he was, no, he was.
Speaker 5: He was we need one yard.
Speaker 3: Now it was North Dakota State, Okay, so but.
Speaker 2: I mean he actually North State.
Speaker 3: Right, he ran for a lot of yards a lot
Speaker 3: of touchdowns for state. But but what the if you
Speaker 3: look back at what Mike McCarthy has done with his
Speaker 3: offense through the years, the John Coon days of the Packers,
Speaker 3: he loves that fullback. And so that that's why that's
Speaker 3: not a surprise.
Speaker 2: That's what the that's where the tight end is going
Speaker 2: to come in. That's right.
Speaker 3: And uh so it's not a surprise at all that
Speaker 3: they sounds like reportedly they've got a couple of fullbacks
Speaker 3: undrafted that are on the run Radar Hunter Lipkey and
Speaker 3: Princeton Fan and so.
Speaker 5: And by the way, let me clear this up because
Speaker 5: I heard some dy buddy talking about it this morning
Speaker 5: on the radio pointing out that they they guaranteed them
Speaker 5: two hundred thousand dollars. Right, Well, here's what the guarantee is.
Speaker 5: The guarantee is basically, we're going to keep you at
Speaker 5: least on the practice squad because if you're on the
Speaker 5: practice squad for the whole season, it comes to about
Speaker 5: two hundred thousand dollars. So basically that's that's the deal, uh,
Speaker 5: with the guarantee, so that that that they at least
Speaker 5: know that, if nothing else, I'm going to be on
Speaker 5: the practice squad.
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing about because there's a lot of
Speaker 3: talk out there that oh and I got immediate text
Speaker 3: for people saying, oh, they reached on the tight end
Speaker 3: in the second round. Whatever. Here was the dynamic of
Speaker 3: this draft compared to say, last year's draft. Last year,
Speaker 3: first tight end that was drafted in that draft was
Speaker 3: Trey McBride out of Colorado State. He went late in
Speaker 3: the second round, number fifty five overall, to the Arizona
Speaker 3: Cardinals by pick fifty five or fifty eight. When the
Speaker 3: Cowboys picked this year, there had already been four tight
Speaker 3: ends that were off the board. So if you put
Speaker 3: I think Mickey, if you put this tight end class
Speaker 3: in last year's draft, they would not have been coming
Speaker 3: off the board in the second round. You had better
Speaker 3: wide a deeper top end of the wide receiver class
Speaker 3: last year. Not taking anything away from these tight ends,
Speaker 3: but it's just the way this Hear draft worked where
Speaker 3: the tight ends came off the board in the second round.
Speaker 3: That's why you had to go get your tight end
Speaker 3: in the second.
Speaker 5: Round, and another tight end came off the board before
Speaker 5: they would have picked in the third round.
Speaker 3: Well, there are three tight ends. There was one right after.
Speaker 5: The m Tucker Kraft right and then right after them
Speaker 5: another title.
Speaker 3: Cameron Latou out of Alabama. There was one right after.
Speaker 5: Then Darnell Washington in their right.
Speaker 3: Who was off their board. But Y and Britton Strange
Speaker 3: went late second round too. But fourth round, there were
Speaker 3: like six tight ends that were drafted last year. This
Speaker 3: year there were no tight ends taken in the fourth round.
Speaker 3: And in fact, if you look at the entire draft,
Speaker 3: there were fifteen tight ends drafted this year. Well there
Speaker 3: were eighteen last year, but seventeen of those eighteen were
Speaker 3: drafted in the third round or later last year.
Speaker 5: And I think what people also need to remember when
Speaker 5: you're drafting that late in a round, it's almost like
Speaker 5: taking that guy in the next round, right, the twenty
Speaker 5: sixth pick in the first round.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 5: Probably you know you could say, well, you know, we
Speaker 5: don't take defensive tackles in the first hadn't done it
Speaker 5: since what Russell Maryland. But this is almost like a
Speaker 5: second round pick. The same thing with the tight end.
Speaker 5: It's almost like a third round. You know, all their picks,
Speaker 5: you can just say, okay, other than trading up for
Speaker 5: the first pick in the sixth round, all those picks
Speaker 5: are almost the next round.
Speaker 3: When you look at this tighty end Scoonmaker compared to
Speaker 3: Jake Ferguson, I really like Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 5: I do too.
Speaker 3: Of course, he was a fourth round pick last year.
Speaker 3: Last year's draft, I got the numbers here. Now, there
Speaker 3: was one tight end taken in the second round, there
Speaker 3: were four taken in the third round, and there were
Speaker 3: ten taken in the fourth round that year. I don't
Speaker 3: think that there was that much difference, probably in the
Speaker 3: grade of Schoonmaker versus Jake Ferguson last year. It's going
Speaker 3: to be very interesting. I think Schoonmaker, who by the way,
Speaker 3: is older then both Jake Ferguson and Peyton Hendershot. He'll
Speaker 3: turn twenty five in September. I think he'll fit right
Speaker 3: into this room. Sean McEwan is fifteen months older than him.
Speaker 3: So you got four tight ends, so he he didn't
Speaker 3: play his first couple of years at Michigan. In fact,
Speaker 3: he was playing behind Sean McEwan, and.
Speaker 2: Then he was a starter.
Speaker 3: His last two years he was a I assume, you know,
Speaker 3: Michigan with Harbaugh, they've got a ton of tight ends
Speaker 3: on their roster.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: We have how many big ten tight ends we.
Speaker 3: Have for everybody else on this all of them big
Speaker 3: tight ends.
Speaker 2: I just realized that Indiana, right, one of the focuses of.
Speaker 5: Indian hendershot shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So he's going to be very interesting. And McCarthy loves
Speaker 3: his tight end.
Speaker 5: So if they're going to and if they were going
Speaker 5: to run the game, if they want to have three
Speaker 5: tight end sets, they better be able to block. So
Speaker 5: maybe with this three they don't have to bring in
Speaker 5: a tackle to be the third blocking Titan. And when
Speaker 5: they go three tight.
Speaker 3: Which was what they had to do last year to
Speaker 3: try to get the run game going at all, exactly
Speaker 3: all right, we got much more to get to. We
Speaker 3: went through a whole segment and didn't even mention deuce.
Speaker 5: Well, we will have to correct.
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Speaker 3: We started running down the Cowboys draft picks. We got
Speaker 3: through the first couple in the first twenty five minutes
Speaker 3: of the show.
Speaker 5: And we got to speed right right.
Speaker 3: At this rate, we won't get to the play of
Speaker 3: the day that was made on Saturday. So we're going
Speaker 3: to before we come back to the third round pick
Speaker 3: Demarvion overshown and the fourth round pick and your fey Hoko,
Speaker 3: let's skip ahead to the sixth round pick number two twelve. Yes,
Speaker 3: there are two deuces in two twelve, and there's one
Speaker 3: deuce on the Cowboys now, and I love the pick
Speaker 3: of Douce Vaughan. Who doesn't.
Speaker 5: It was a feel good moments, pretty most dramatic moment
Speaker 5: I think I've seen in all my years covering the draft,
Speaker 5: just how they set it up. Everybody in the room
Speaker 5: knew basically they were taking Douce Vaughan except for his father,
Speaker 5: Chris Vaughan, who's the Cowboys assistant director of college scouting,
Speaker 5: right and uh and the poor guy he had been
Speaker 5: He had been in conversation with his son during the draft,
Speaker 5: and his son it's falling right and falling, and he
Speaker 5: was talking about how you know, he said, Deuce was
Speaker 5: starting to think, Oh, my five to five height finally
Speaker 5: caught up with me right, I'm not going to get
Speaker 5: a chance here, and so he had been talking to him. Well,
Speaker 5: what they did was Jerry gets up in front of
Speaker 5: the room basically, and he starts talking about two other guys, right,
Speaker 5: and one of them they ended up taking Brooks the
Speaker 5: wide receiver in the seventh round. And it was almost
Speaker 5: like there was a debate going, Okay, we got this guy,
Speaker 5: and we got that guy, and now we got this pick,
Speaker 5: and let's talk about what we're going to do. Well,
Speaker 5: Jerry started, I mean, he must have gone it seemed
Speaker 5: like forever he went on right, and then finally there
Speaker 5: was this silence and there was a long, pregnant pause
Speaker 5: and it was almost like, oh, hell, put Vaughn's name
Speaker 5: on the car. And you should have seen Chris. He
Speaker 5: was just overwhelmed with emotion. Gets up. Everybody's clapping and cheering.
Speaker 5: He goes and standing yeah, goes and hugs Jerry, right,
Speaker 5: and they said, well, you make the call. So they
Speaker 5: gave him the fun to call his son, and obviously
Speaker 5: the it was the area code for Dallas shows up
Speaker 5: on the phone, right, and so Chris goes, he goes, hey, buddy,
Speaker 5: he goes, he goes yeah, my phone wasn't working, so
Speaker 5: I got this one and his son yeah huh. And
Speaker 5: then he goes, hey, how would you like to go
Speaker 5: to work with me on Monday? And the kid just
Speaker 5: I guess he lost it at his end, Chris lost.
Speaker 5: He barely could get the words out. He was crying
Speaker 5: and everybody was tearing up. It was quite an emotional,
Speaker 5: emotional deal, and I thought the cool thing of it
Speaker 5: was and Chris, they they pointed out that Chris never
Speaker 5: advocated for his son. Whenever that discussion came up, he
Speaker 5: backed off, I'm a pro. We got to discuss this
Speaker 5: back and forth. But the cool thing was, at that
Speaker 5: point in the draft and he knew it, but he
Speaker 5: didn't say it. The number one guy left on their
Speaker 5: board was Deuce Vaughan, So it wasn't like, oh, we're
Speaker 5: going to do this guy a favor, right, the kid
Speaker 5: deserved to get drafted according to their board at that point. Hey,
Speaker 5: and we're talking a damn good football.
Speaker 3: If he was five to nine and not five to
Speaker 3: five A second round pick. Yeah yeah, I mean he
Speaker 3: is in this draft. He is the most prolific running
Speaker 3: back in this draft. I mean, you just statistically, you
Speaker 3: just look what he did at Kansas State. He was
Speaker 3: a two time consensus All American the last couple of
Speaker 3: years at k State. Fourteen games last year, ran for
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred and fifty eight yards and nine touchdowns and
Speaker 3: caught forty two passes for another three hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: eight yards and three touchdowns. And he did the exact
Speaker 3: same thing every time previous year.
Speaker 2: He's all over the field.
Speaker 3: But I mean I even compared him. I mean, statistically,
Speaker 3: you compare his career, a three year career at Kansas
Speaker 3: State to b Jon Robinson's year career at Texas, and
Speaker 3: it's almost identical.
Speaker 6: All in all.
Speaker 3: Duce Van had seven hundred and sixty seven touches for
Speaker 3: four thousand, eight hundred eighty four yards and forty three touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Bijeon had five hundred ninety nine touches for four thousand,
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifteen yards and forty one touchdowns. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's got Bijon on his numbers from college.
Speaker 5: And let's remember they're playing against the same teams too.
Speaker 5: It's not like he was playing you know.
Speaker 3: And by the way, his team Big twelve, right, and
Speaker 3: by the way, his team won the Big twelve championships,
Speaker 3: and as much as we talk about what Max Duggan
Speaker 3: did for TCU in that game and carrying his team
Speaker 3: on his back, and it was Douce Van who was
Speaker 3: the MVP of that game. And then oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: he goes and plays Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and
Speaker 3: he goes eighty eight yards for a touchdown against NFL players.
Speaker 5: So yeah, And and Chris was sitting there saying, you know,
Speaker 5: because he was his his insides were getting eaten up,
Speaker 5: that no one was taking them, no one was making him.
Speaker 5: And his point was, I wanted him to get drafted
Speaker 5: if he was Deuce Johnson, not that he was Deuce Vaughan,
Speaker 5: son of college scout father, right, And he said, and
Speaker 5: inside he he goes, you know, I knew this kid
Speaker 5: inside out. He goes, heck, I sleep with his mother.
Speaker 5: That's how much. That's how much I know this kid, right,
Speaker 5: And he deserved to be drafted, right. And it lasted
Speaker 5: to two twelve. How many There weren't many more picks
Speaker 5: left in the sixth at that point, was there?
Speaker 2: Right? You know?
Speaker 4: But when you look at his career, it's not like
Speaker 4: he's a guy that plays in spots, right, I mean
Speaker 4: he plays every down.
Speaker 3: And he runs up the middle too.
Speaker 4: I never saw him, you know, get tired. He carries
Speaker 4: the load, which is something that you know, we're worried
Speaker 4: about here right since we lost zek And so that's
Speaker 4: the kind of thing that gives me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, will see.
Speaker 3: Will see the running back room, by the way. And
Speaker 3: by the way, who has the biggest hands in the
Speaker 3: running back room?
Speaker 5: I don't think I analyzed it that closely.
Speaker 3: It's a tie Tony Pollard and Deuce Vaughan nine and
Speaker 3: a half inch. So you talk about it, how small
Speaker 3: he is, how important is that big hands? Well, Deuce
Speaker 3: van and Tony Pollard have the same size hands, So
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 5: And he's a pretty Those hands are pretty good too.
Speaker 5: He's pretty good, that's right.
Speaker 3: And okay, So the running back room consists of Tony
Speaker 3: Pollard and the draft pick, Deuce vaun and Malik Davis
Speaker 3: and Ronald Jones. En Rico Dowdle was signed back after
Speaker 3: being let go and then came back. So there's your
Speaker 3: five right now. And as and as Mickey just mentioned,
Speaker 3: it was asked of Jerry on Saturday, what about Zeke?
Speaker 3: And this ship is not sailed. Yeah, But I mean
Speaker 3: you look at what Deuce his what his talents are,
Speaker 3: his size and so forth, and where he was more
Speaker 3: of a satellite back whatever. They still have that need
Speaker 3: for something.
Speaker 5: And you know, and here's what goes on with a
Speaker 5: guy like him. Teams are gonna look after the draft.
Speaker 5: They'll get their guys in for the rookie mini camp,
Speaker 5: few OTAs and if it comes to June one, you
Speaker 5: start going, hmmm, maybe I can use that guy, and
Speaker 5: you know, just pay him something with loaded with in
Speaker 5: sentives and if he wants to still play, he'll do it.
Speaker 5: He Plus he likes it here too, by the way,
Speaker 5: and he's good in the locker room. So you know,
Speaker 5: I we'll see.
Speaker 4: When you look at someone like a Ronald Jones, that's
Speaker 4: the guy that he has a chance to kind of
Speaker 4: turn the page in his career.
Speaker 5: If given the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Given the opportunity, I mean, and once he's given it,
Speaker 4: he's got to come through.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have much room for air. I mean, was
Speaker 4: like myself going to the Giants. So maybe Dave Durris
Speaker 4: and Giant.
Speaker 5: Cowboys trading for Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 4: There you go, this is your time to show us
Speaker 4: that what they said about you it was not correct.
Speaker 4: You know, show us, show us that the pro part
Speaker 4: of your resume, I don't want the con part of
Speaker 4: your resume. That's what we need to see because right now,
Speaker 4: Jones is the only running back that you could say
Speaker 4: could get us those tough yards if we chose to
Speaker 4: use them, and that's something we're going to need this year.
Speaker 2: Like you said, we still have hope. You know that
Speaker 2: things are not over between Zeke and the.
Speaker 4: Cowboys, but if it is, then Jones needs to be
Speaker 4: that replacement that's gonna move the chains. We need someone
Speaker 4: to move the chains. I like five to five, but
Speaker 4: I like six to one better.
Speaker 5: I wanted to remind myself of Davis's dimensions.
Speaker 3: Malik Davis. Yeah, yes, five to ten basically five nine
Speaker 3: and seven eighths two hundred two pounds at twelve. They
Speaker 3: like himymone right right.
Speaker 5: And I know they'd like him, you know, in the
Speaker 5: scouting department too. So yeah, don't go to sleep on
Speaker 5: him because I think he's got a little when he
Speaker 5: took advantage of his opportunities.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when you talked about Michael Parson was
Speaker 4: going up against big the offensive lineman. Right, size matters, yes, okay,
Speaker 4: size would matter with league Davis.
Speaker 3: And he has two two not to twelve two, and.
Speaker 4: It size matters in that regard. So we need a
Speaker 4: big body. I don't care how good of a runner
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 3: We need a big But even with Ronald Jones, well
Speaker 3: he's five years in the league, they're going into a
Speaker 3: sixth year. But coming out of USC, he's two hundred
Speaker 3: and five pounds, Zeke coming out of Ohio State two
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five pounds, and Pollard coming out of
Speaker 3: Memphis two hundred and ten pounds.
Speaker 5: So which, by the way, if you noticed when you
Speaker 5: walked in the door, today was the first day that
Speaker 5: the coaches could be on the field with the players
Speaker 5: in the off season. You can tell I think everybody
Speaker 5: was out there. There was sixty players out there, I'll guarantee, out.
Speaker 2: There drinking water. They've got ropes going, they're doing the
Speaker 2: shovel everything.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the homes and his chiefs are over here at
Speaker 3: TCU and the indoor facility they're working out don't look
Speaker 3: anything like But yeah, this looks like a regular season.
Speaker 5: No I thought when I was like, whoa and then
Speaker 5: I thought, oh the draft. Everybody said, okay, they got
Speaker 5: is what seven seven more guys, eight more guys? Better
Speaker 5: get my butt out there and work.
Speaker 3: That's always been the advantage of being in Dallas.
Speaker 5: Coaches are coaches.
Speaker 3: Are wires, living here a year round.
Speaker 5: And so that's why I always love the rookie mini
Speaker 5: camp because all of a sudden, you see the veterans
Speaker 5: out watching, right, got to size up their competition.
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Speaker 3: got another twenty minutes to go. We got a lot
Speaker 3: of draft picks still to get to and so let's
Speaker 3: backtrack to the third round and marveon over shown the
Speaker 3: linebacker from the University of Texas at a little art
Speaker 3: Texes piney Wood piney Woods of East Texas, just outside Tyler,
Speaker 3: population nine hundred and eighty two.
Speaker 5: He was or is he a linebacker?
Speaker 3: Okay? Is he was a safety coming out of ARP
Speaker 3: Texas and in fact an under armour All American and
Speaker 3: then converted after a couple of years at Texas to
Speaker 3: linebacker and became a three year starter and All Big
Speaker 3: twelve linebacker.
Speaker 5: And what were his dimensions?
Speaker 2: Six? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He is officially six three, two hundred and twenty nine pounds,
Speaker 3: ran a four five six forty with a one fifty
Speaker 3: nine split with fifteen bench reps, a thirty six and
Speaker 3: a half vertical, and a ten to four broad jump.
Speaker 5: So dan Quinn got another little toy to play.
Speaker 3: With, right, so fossil?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, back, especially safety.
Speaker 5: Especially little teams because he played a whole lot of
Speaker 5: special teams and they needed a linebacker. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: they drafted a special teams player, but I think he's
Speaker 5: like a change up, you know, defensive guy.
Speaker 2: Did he get much playing time in college? Was he.
Speaker 3: First team All Big twelve? Yeah? And he's he's got
Speaker 3: that dog mentality. Yeah, he's got a passion that he
Speaker 3: loves football.
Speaker 2: I really like him, and they and they can use
Speaker 2: him because it's just paling it on. I mean, we
Speaker 2: have so many.
Speaker 5: But they didn't have a lot of linebackers. They needed
Speaker 5: depth at the linebackers spot.
Speaker 3: You see linebackers get hurt across them. It's not just here,
Speaker 3: it's across the league line back that's a running backs
Speaker 3: get hurt. Linebackers get hurt. And Uh, but to your point,
Speaker 3: I love the fact that he's a converted safety in
Speaker 3: today's NFL and the the dickle sub packages and so forth,
Speaker 3: and and his ability to defend the pass. And he
Speaker 3: had four sacks ten tackles for loss last year at Texas. Uh.
Speaker 3: This is he's a baller.
Speaker 5: So if they need somebody behind jay Ron Curse, don't
Speaker 5: be surprised. So he's got some position flex and that
Speaker 5: was one of the things that was used in the
Speaker 5: press conference, Uh, when they talked about him position.
Speaker 3: Interesting you mentioned jay Ron Curse there, because sixty three
Speaker 3: two twenty nine for overshown and curse when he came
Speaker 3: out sixty four to two sixteen curse of four six
Speaker 3: two forty. This guy's a four five six. It's a
Speaker 3: very very similar as far as the other four five, Yeah,
Speaker 3: four or five not bad. Yeah, No, he's there's a
Speaker 3: reason he was under Armor All American in high school.
Speaker 5: They so he's a guy that you can play close
Speaker 5: to the line of scrimmage like a linebacker. But he's
Speaker 5: got some coverage skills and special team skills. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I like to.
Speaker 3: Pick Okay, let's move on to the fourth round.
Speaker 5: Oh, watch out for this.
Speaker 3: Galiami fa Hoko. But you can call him junior Fajoko.
Speaker 5: Junior Feyjoko and no relation to the Fojokos.
Speaker 3: Wanting to ask is related to Vita Vea second cousin
Speaker 3: of Vita Vea in Tampa Bay and Tampa Bay, yep
Speaker 3: and out of San Jose State, sixty three and three
Speaker 3: quarters inches tall, two hundred and eighty two pounds, and
Speaker 3: he can get after you. As the Mountain West Conference
Speaker 3: Player of the year, four year starter, he had nine
Speaker 3: sacks last year, about eight sacks the year before. I'm
Speaker 3: very productive. He's a relentless player and dan Quinn has
Speaker 3: just got to love this.
Speaker 5: And if you look at his body type and the
Speaker 5: way he plays, he's a defensive tackle in the making,
Speaker 5: I believe too. Not just an edge guy because he's
Speaker 5: not like one of those type guys that plays defensive end,
Speaker 5: because I believe I read they played a three to
Speaker 5: four at San Jose State and he was a defensive end.
Speaker 5: But that's like being a defensive tackle. So if if
Speaker 5: this is another guy that can play the three technique
Speaker 5: with his speed and strength, they might have landed something here.
Speaker 4: So the emphasis is to stop the run and to
Speaker 4: be able to run. That's going to be our emphasis.
Speaker 5: Sounds like what they had in their minds. Yes, and
Speaker 5: just looking at his body type, you know, he could
Speaker 5: be a defensive tackle a three technique and he'll find
Speaker 5: his way into the rotation. Now he played was that
Speaker 5: Mountain West? Yes, so again, but boy, when you see
Speaker 5: him taking advantage of those offensive tackles in that conference,
Speaker 5: it was it was frightening. So keep an eye on
Speaker 5: what this guy.
Speaker 2: Can do, you know, all the draft, all the picks
Speaker 2: that we have, much pedigree comes with him. Their resume
Speaker 2: is amazing. You know.
Speaker 4: So as much as they talk about Philly, I think
Speaker 4: they say won the draft. Right, every want to say
Speaker 4: Philly won the draft, and the Cowboys lukewarm. They're pretty
Speaker 4: lukewarm on our picks from what I could do.
Speaker 5: Well, when you're drafting, what ninth. What did they take
Speaker 5: Carter at the number nine? Number nine? You better win
Speaker 5: the draft, right, you're drafting twenty six. No one takes
Speaker 5: that into consideration.
Speaker 3: There's so much focus on the top fifty picks in
Speaker 3: the draft that I mean, here's a guy for Hoko.
Speaker 3: If you go look at those the so called draft experts,
Speaker 3: they for Hoko is like seventh round or whatever. And
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean he's a seventh round prospect. The people
Speaker 3: that do this for a living, obviously, with the Cowboys
Speaker 3: fourth round pick, he's a rugby player. You think he's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they forget their pads all the time.
Speaker 5: There was another something that he pointed out about being
Speaker 5: the first or second Polynesian player. I forgot what the
Speaker 5: term was. Oh, but those guys are tough, Mark twany.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I approve of that pick, Junior for Hoko.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, So we're gonna go fast forward
Speaker 3: to the fifth round.
Speaker 2: Now, I have never heard of y'all educated me.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, say his name, awesome, awesome, Richards.
Speaker 5: He's a scene to me until he proves he's awesome.
Speaker 3: But he pronounces it, I know, awesome, awesome. I wonder though,
Speaker 3: if indeed he if it was pronounced us seem And
Speaker 3: then he got into college and his teammates and coaches said, no,
Speaker 3: we're calling you awesome.
Speaker 5: Another guy, another guy that it sounds like, has position
Speaker 5: flex too, that he could play. He could compete at guard,
Speaker 5: so beware.
Speaker 3: Six ' four, three hundred and nine pounds, and he
Speaker 3: has those thirty four inch arms that you're looking for,
Speaker 3: and had some decent athleticism. Needs to strengthen a little
Speaker 3: bit thirteen bench reps. But but you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 3: obviously have that opening at the end at left guard,
Speaker 3: and I would think he'll be thrown into the mix
Speaker 3: along with a bunch of other guys. Yeah, and see
Speaker 3: who comes out.
Speaker 5: I mean, they keep talking about Josh Ball. I don't
Speaker 5: know about a six eight guard. It might hit him
Speaker 5: in the head too much if he stands up. But
Speaker 5: you know, I wonder if they if they also train
Speaker 5: will let's go inside?
Speaker 3: That was not asked. I don't think. No, there's another
Speaker 3: one six seven and five eighths is well let's.
Speaker 5: Go Yeah, And you know, I know they they were
Speaker 5: thinking he would be the backup tackle. Then he got hurt.
Speaker 3: You know, I like some of what Josh Ball did
Speaker 3: in the run game last year, and there's one opportunity
Speaker 3: after Terrence Steele got hurt in the Houston game, second
Speaker 3: half of the Houston game, and so I'm intrigued by that.
Speaker 3: But you're right at over six seven, basically six seven
Speaker 3: and a half, it seems rather tall for a guard.
Speaker 5: So I think we're going to see open competition there.
Speaker 3: Schuma Edoga is the free agent signing, of course from
Speaker 3: Atlanta who originally was a third round draft pick himself
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen by the Jets and started eight games
Speaker 3: his first year with the Jets. But he's been playing
Speaker 3: tackle throughout his career and so we'll see how he
Speaker 3: fares at that guard position.
Speaker 5: Too, right, Yeah, So, and I think that's another thing
Speaker 5: that for this draft and the guys they have, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of position flex. They're not just one thing.
Speaker 5: And you know, when you're putting you or you know
Speaker 5: what forty eight man Dame game Day roster together, you
Speaker 5: need position flex.
Speaker 3: But let's face it, fifth round picks don't normally start
Speaker 3: their first year in the.
Speaker 5: NFL, especially on the offensive line.
Speaker 3: Terrence Steele was a rarity as an undrafted guy starting
Speaker 3: his rookie year at right tackle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was only undrafted because of certain situations, right,
Speaker 4: I mean why was he undrafted?
Speaker 9: What was I don't know, my wife, who's a Red Raider.
Speaker 2: That's a fault.
Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes, you know, you develop, and you know, you
Speaker 5: get in that weight room and all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: you know, and you get an opportunity and things things
Speaker 5: turn out. Right.
Speaker 4: Hey, well, look I agree with you. I'm looking at
Speaker 4: Austin's uh highlight reel. Yeah, you think, okay, a guy
Speaker 4: only bitch presses thirteen two twenty five?
Speaker 2: Correct? Is that what you just said, Bill?
Speaker 3: That's just what was reported.
Speaker 4: So then he's got to be able to make it
Speaker 4: up in some other way. You know, if you're not fast,
Speaker 4: and you better think fast, you know. If you're not fast,
Speaker 4: you better be quick as hell, you know. And if
Speaker 4: you don't have good good hands, if it's not a
Speaker 4: strong hands, you better have good feet.
Speaker 2: And that is what I see here on his highlights.
Speaker 4: It's very clear that he has quick and good footwork
Speaker 4: that can make up for whoever your definite deficit is
Speaker 4: in some other part of your game.
Speaker 5: That's the first thing I look at for offensive line
Speaker 5: their footwork. His footwork is very good feet.
Speaker 2: His footwork is very good. I can see that right now.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm tender trying to figure out why was
Speaker 3: Terrence Steele not drafted? And so I just pulled. I'm
Speaker 3: not even gonna say the name of the person, just
Speaker 3: this random overview of Terrence Steel coming out of Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: Because his numbers is six ' six, I mean, how
Speaker 3: does this guy not get drafted? Six three hundred twelve
Speaker 3: pounds with thirty five and an eighth inch arms And
Speaker 3: he ran a five TOHO three twenty seven bench reps
Speaker 3: with thirty five inch arms. All right, and so here
Speaker 3: is what this analysis was. And he's a four year
Speaker 3: starter team captain with desired NFL size and length, but
Speaker 3: a lack of functional bend and reactive movement is hard
Speaker 3: to get past. He's an intelligent, experience right tackle who
Speaker 3: works to his abilities on a fairly consistent basis. He
Speaker 3: struggles when his length can't save him against moving targets
Speaker 3: in the run game and against sharp rush counters in
Speaker 3: pass pro. Despite his leg stiffness, he does a nice
Speaker 3: job of taking out opponents in front of him, but
Speaker 3: NFL tackles require much better reactive athleticism and recovery ability
Speaker 3: than he's able to play with.
Speaker 4: When they watched two days, what happened that I'm not
Speaker 4: saying who that was.
Speaker 3: That's an example of the very worst. There's so many
Speaker 3: guys that heard heard that sounds got cut in the
Speaker 3: first week of training.
Speaker 2: Count that's what that sounds like.
Speaker 4: Whoever they're talking about, I wasn't Steele, uh huh.
Speaker 5: And he was a he was a better run blocker.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: That's right. So I don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again there's three hundred and fifty prospects that
Speaker 3: got him get invited to the Combine, and then however
Speaker 3: many more. I mean Dame Bruggler had eighteen hundred prospects
Speaker 3: that he because it's a full time job of his,
Speaker 3: they analyze all those people.
Speaker 5: If he if he that wasn't Dane, if he analyzed
Speaker 5: or wrote about fifty cornerbacks. Eric Scott was like around.
Speaker 5: He didn't even get a write up. He was just
Speaker 5: listed as the others around seventy something.
Speaker 3: I thought, I'll confess he was not in the big gun.
Speaker 2: Well what did you miss?
Speaker 5: Bill? But you you're thinking.
Speaker 3: That's because I'm having to rely on this so called
Speaker 3: draft EXAs to tell me who I need to.
Speaker 5: Look at Southern Mississippi, right and right away. If he's
Speaker 5: at Southern, he's got a chip on his shoulder, by
Speaker 5: the right, because the other schools he had to go
Speaker 5: to Butler Junior College to get Lawrence went through that, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 5: and then it shows up. But it's a cornerback that
Speaker 5: runs for seven, you know.
Speaker 2: But they didn't know.
Speaker 5: Why he ran. At least he finished it, you know, uh,
Speaker 5: and then couldn't do any I don't think he did
Speaker 5: any other running or whatever that day. But the Cowboys
Speaker 5: obviously knew about him, right. And if you look at
Speaker 5: his he don't look for seven when he's playing for
Speaker 5: This is just steel of the This is my sleeper
Speaker 5: sleep for Hooko is mine. I think, Okay, I think
Speaker 5: both of them. Will you know, there's a reason why
Speaker 5: they gave up a fifth next year to move to
Speaker 5: the top pick in the sixth round, because they must
Speaker 5: have known somebody else knew about him, right, and they
Speaker 5: wasn't going to last.
Speaker 3: Let's see, they gave up a fifth round pick Fordon Cooks, right,
Speaker 3: they gave up a fifth round pick for Stefan Gilbour, Right,
Speaker 3: what was around for sixth round for Hankins And now
Speaker 3: they give up a fifth round pick for Eric Scott.
Speaker 3: That's a pretty fair company that he's at.
Speaker 5: And again, when we're talking the draft, you're talking three
Speaker 5: guys that you used draft picks for us that are
Speaker 5: going to start.
Speaker 2: They have to be included in what your affecting.
Speaker 5: This because those would have been your ammunition to move
Speaker 5: up in rounds right to maybe say, okay, we can
Speaker 5: move up use one of these. Well, you already used
Speaker 5: him for two sure starters. The third guys at least
Speaker 5: a rotation guy, if not a starter until Mozzi's ready
Speaker 5: to go. And then you picked But the guy you
Speaker 5: took in the first round probably a starter. The second round.
Speaker 5: He's in the top three mix of the tight ends,
Speaker 5: right and Overshan is going to be the Swiss Army
Speaker 5: knife guy on this team.
Speaker 3: By the way, I would do that every year in
Speaker 3: the draft. I would take like in the beginning of
Speaker 3: the sixth round. I would take my sixth round pick
Speaker 3: next year and trade it to get into the sixth round.
Speaker 3: If I like a player, I would do that every
Speaker 3: I would just you just do it every single year,
Speaker 3: you don't have a sixth round. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 3: use next year, so I'm going to trade in. And
Speaker 3: Philadelphia did that at the top of the fourth round
Speaker 3: and got Keeley Ringo, the cornerback from Georgia who had
Speaker 3: slipped out of the second day. They used next year's
Speaker 3: fourth traded with Houston and got the number one oh
Speaker 3: Fight the third pick of the day on Saturday, and
Speaker 3: got Ringo. Well, the Cowboys did the same thing in
Speaker 3: the sixth round and got Eric Scott.
Speaker 5: So real quick. Here are two things they didn't get
Speaker 5: and basically because they were being patient, neither they had
Speaker 5: the two kickers. They would have drafted one of them
Speaker 5: if they got to Michigan and Maryland. The kid from
Speaker 5: Maryland Ryland, I think they liked him the best. But
Speaker 5: both of them got drafted or what third round and
Speaker 5: fourth third round and fourth round, right, wow, But they
Speaker 5: liked them, so they were on them. And then the
Speaker 5: fourth quarterback Groom, a backup type. They liked the old
Speaker 5: Connell kid from pre jading O'Connell and he got drafted
Speaker 5: way before late late last and before that I think
Speaker 5: Tune went and and so they looked at it those
Speaker 5: those two positions, fifth, sixth, seventh, somewhere in there. But
Speaker 5: those guys didn't last. And you know, if you're going
Speaker 5: to follow your board, you don't jump ahead and take
Speaker 5: a guy when you feel like you have other things
Speaker 5: more pressing to draft. So from a kicker standpoint there,
Speaker 5: I would imagine they're going to sign some another veteran
Speaker 5: at least uh and then see where that goes. But
Speaker 5: I guarantee you of all the veteran kickers out did
Speaker 5: Robbie Gould? Did I see he got picked up after
Speaker 5: San Francisco let him go?
Speaker 3: Uh? He I thought he did. No, I don't have
Speaker 3: him lest a fell behind on my my.
Speaker 2: Markings on it.
Speaker 5: Okay, so maybe he's out there. But for for who
Speaker 5: had the best season last year, that's still out there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I hate to bring it up, but it's Brett Maher.
Speaker 5: You know, despite what happened down the stretch and in
Speaker 5: the playoffs, from a regular season standpoint, I think he
Speaker 5: only missed three field goals something like that.
Speaker 2: So no one wants to hear that right now.
Speaker 5: I know, I know. But these these guys, they're you know,
Speaker 5: kickers aren't dime a dozen or if they are. That's
Speaker 5: why it's only a dime, So they're going to have
Speaker 5: to do some work there.
Speaker 3: Ryan suck Up may still be out there. Randy Bullock.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong on those, but I had them.
Speaker 3: I tried to track them throughout the off season. I had.
Speaker 3: I did not have them with new teams yet.
Speaker 5: See, and those guys, whatever their prices, well it's come
Speaker 5: down now, right, don't have a job and it's almost
Speaker 5: it's the first of May.
Speaker 3: But they'll probably handle it unless they get pressed where
Speaker 3: they need. You know, the market out there for these
Speaker 3: veteran guys, if if someone if they're going to sign there,
Speaker 3: I'm sure they are in contact with their agents and
Speaker 3: they'll probably take a look at college guys like they
Speaker 3: did last year when they brought Garabe in and then
Speaker 3: they was later where they brought.
Speaker 5: Mar we'll have another kicking competition.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So and as for the quarterback thing, we'll see if
Speaker 5: they sign one in free agency.
Speaker 3: I mean college free agency, college free agency.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see where that goes. But whoever they bring in,
Speaker 5: it's got to be somebody that's worth competing with.
Speaker 3: Will Grier could be watching this XFL and watching this.
Speaker 2: XFL quarterbacks. Man, I'm sorry. You know what, though, I
Speaker 2: can't get behind him. Can have you watched this?
Speaker 3: Perez for the Arlington Renegades. In fact, they picked him
Speaker 3: up the middle of the season. He's from Texas A
Speaker 3: and M Commerce. Very very successful in college at Texas
Speaker 3: A and M Commerce. He's got a little something about him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he was, in fact Louis Perez.
Speaker 2: And when did he play? Did he was? He played
Speaker 2: the championship team.
Speaker 3: Well he's he's playing for the championship.
Speaker 2: Now, No, I mean college championship.
Speaker 3: It was A and M Commerce. They he was like
Speaker 3: the college player of the year at that level. He
Speaker 3: won the Harlan Hill Trophy and they won the national
Speaker 3: championship in twenty seventeen. Coach, they kid okay, yeah, I coach,
Speaker 3: they kid six twenty two players.
Speaker 4: We had some All American game out in uh in California.
Speaker 4: Oh really, Yeah, that was two years ago, so he's
Speaker 4: about two years out of college.
Speaker 3: But he now in twenty eighteen, he was signed with
Speaker 3: the Rams and he's played and he's been around the
Speaker 3: block and.
Speaker 2: Then some No, we're talking to a different guy. Okay.
Speaker 3: He's played for the Birmingham Iron, the Los Angeles Wildcats,
Speaker 3: which I guess was XFL, New York Guardians, New Jersey
Speaker 3: Generals USFL last year, was with the Rams a little
Speaker 3: bit last year, and he was with the Vegas Vipers
Speaker 3: this year, and now the Renegades picked him up and
Speaker 3: he's got him in the championship game in two weeks and.
Speaker 5: They actually scored a bunch of points against.
Speaker 2: But my point, even on.
Speaker 3: Bringing it up, is there's there's another pool there in
Speaker 3: the spring football, whether it's the XFL or the USFL,
Speaker 3: where these guys are getting playing time. Ben Denucci was
Speaker 3: playing for Seat all the Sea Dragons.
Speaker 2: I to stop bringing that name up. A. J.
Speaker 3: Mcerren is out there with the Saint Louis. He's the Stars.
Speaker 3: Saint Louis has a football team again, and AJ mccarren's
Speaker 3: the toast of the town.
Speaker 5: All right, we've digressed, all right, all right?
Speaker 2: So all right, books welcome.
Speaker 3: That's what all we got on Jaylen books right now.
Speaker 3: We talked about him earlier.
Speaker 5: Slawn here it is, you're welcome.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So as we wrap things up, uh, one of the rookies.
Speaker 5: Here, not not not the first, it's the week later,
Speaker 5: the second and then they just dive right into the weekend.
Speaker 3: Used to, they would come in for a rookie camp
Speaker 3: the weekend after the draft.
Speaker 5: And they go home. Yeah, and then they have to
Speaker 5: come back right.
Speaker 3: So now now they pushed it back to where it
Speaker 3: just marries right into the.
Speaker 5: Off season program exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, that does it for a Monday edition of Mixed Shots,
Speaker 3: and we will shout at you again next Monday, Oh Cowboys.
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