WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Draft High Five 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:05.440 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:07.280 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.880 Cowboys. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:17.079 This is Nick Shot straining live on Dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.760 and the official Dallas Cowboys at now here are Bill Jones, 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:27.120 Everson Walls, and Nicky Spagnola. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:32.440 Well, the dust hast settled on the best reality TV 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.400 show anywhere, that would be the NFL Draft. And now 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.720 it's down and back to reality as we are back 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.320 in here in the SWBC podcast studio for Mick Shots, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.919 Bill Jones, Mickey Spagnola, and it's the return of Everson Walls, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:55.480 who is right now scanning the undrafted free agents out there, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.160 knowing that there's gonna be in Everson Walls in this 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.040 group song, I. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.800 Am looking at a man named Eric Scott. Thank you 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:02.319 very much. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:04.520 You go see what he's going to do for the boys. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.120 Got your corner back there, traded traded a fifth round 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.360 pick next year in order to get into the top 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:11.440 of the sixth round. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.920 And take that cornerback out of Southern Miss My sleeper 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:15.880 of the draft. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.080 Really really yes, Okay. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.000 There's something to this kid and the reason one of 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.200 the reasons why he uh kind of fell out of 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.600 a lot of the Draft Knicks analysis is they saw 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.640 a cornerback and they saw a forty time of four 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:33.319 to seven. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.600 They did, and they thought they they did, then they thought, 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.360 oh it might be ever Walls. 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.080 Right, hey, I just see a couple of Walls plays 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:44.840 right here. Now this guy's block. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.040 But what happened on his I think it was during 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:56.000 his pro day that two steps into his forty he 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:01.040 pulled a quad and he finished right that really running 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:01.680 a four to four. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.240 Yes, yes, well, like if you if you were in 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.360 a four to seven, you really don't have any quad. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.000 You know what he did, and you know what he did. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.360 He ended up doing workouts for the Cowboys and sending 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.760 them video. I'm sure his agent had a. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.680 Little bit to difficult. That's good marketing. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.120 And if you look at his highlights, you know he's 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.840 had two interceptions, both for touchdowns, and he can scoot, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.880 so he may have fallen that far just because of 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:32.799 that forty. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.040 Well, and the Draftnicks needed to look at his vertical 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.799 and his broad jump. His vertical is thirty nine and 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.959 a half and his broad jump eleven one, and he 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.919 had sixteen bench reps twenty five pounds that's pretty good. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.880 How about sixteen bench reps for a cornerback. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.919 Of two hundred's having walls because I couldn't do any 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:51.440 of that. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.000 So there you go, right off the top. It's Eric Scott. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:56.800 We're just start. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.679 We're going all the way down to the six wounds. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:01.280 All right. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:03.399 We've got so much to get to, so little time 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.280 to get there. All right, let's go, Uh, mickey, where 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.440 would you like to start with our draft recap? 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.040 Let's go with the first round pick, Mozzi Mozzie Smith. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:19.360 I've already nicknamed him the mos okay and uh now 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.440 you did you see his bench press thirty four two 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.440 twenty five thirty four times? Think about that? 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.280 This guy might be the strongest player in the entire draft. Well, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.480 he's There were some that had thirty nine. It was 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.480 one that had a thirty nine. Uh interest, But I'm 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:42.360 talking about just as far as right power of the 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.400 strength and the explosion and all that stuff. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.520 And I think long arms too, which takes a lot 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:49.760 more effort. 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.880 Ye, there's some thirty nine and some guys who can 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.920 put up thirty nine reps, but they got twenty nine 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:56.600 in charms. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.480 They ain't got fired to push it. And I just 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:06.160 I'm all over this kid, his nature, his personality. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.000 He's got a Mica presence to him, yes, just the 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.800 way he carries himself and the confidence that he has 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:13.960 his upbringing. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.000 I mean, he may be strong, but I think he's 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:21.599 pretty tough. And that's what you want in a nose tackle, right. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.840 That's why Micah was so excited about it. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.359 Yeah, no kidding, here's somebody's gonna keep people off me. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.680 And vandersh should have been excited too, But this guy 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:36.120 doesn't look like he gets moved very much. So I 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:41.200 like that. He said that when somebody tried to describe 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.640 how fast he was or no, how strong he was, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.360 and he said, well, one of my friends said, I 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.680 was like a refrigerator when you push it down a hill. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.600 So watch out for the. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.760 Moment helps up steam in a hurry, you know. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.400 And we want the only ones interested in it, right, 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:00.880 I mean. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.760 Well, there was two defensive tackles went right after uh huh. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.720 By the way they said the chiefs. The Chiefs were 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.200 trying to trade up to get Mazi. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:12.160 Yeah, and the cowboys you know, they it's like, nah, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.160 I think we'll we'll do. And so before we get 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.440 into pick by pick. I just wanted to point out 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.880 a couple of things before we start. It's kind of 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.400 what I wrote in my column to wrap up the draft. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.320 Number one, you got to remember where the Cowboys were drafting, right. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.159 You know you're at twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.640 twenty five for all your picks, the rounds are getting 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.120 picked over. There were a lot of guys they were 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.680 interested in that went off the board, and they had 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.440 to just kind of sit there and be patient and 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.200 follow their board. The other thing I think you need 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.640 to remember if you're going to be honest about the draft, 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:57.680 they spent three draft picks on trades for starters, right. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.880 They used the draft pick on brand and Cooks. They 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.320 used the draft pick on Stefan Gilmore, and they use 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:08.760 the draft pick on Jonathan Hankins. So if you throw 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:14.600 those three guys into the total of their draft, I 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.560 think they did a pretty darn good job considering where 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.920 they were drafting, because it's not easy to draft that late, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.320 and it's usually not easy to be patient enough and 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.880 not start trading picks again to move up for a 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.760 certain guy. So I'll leave it at that. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:38.760 Well, I must say, once you establish having great first 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.520 round picks over a number of years. You know, especially 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.320 in the last ten twelve years, we've done extremely well. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.080 I'm going to put my trust in will you know. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.040 That's just the way I see it. If he thinks 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.640 he's good, you've proven to me that I can trust 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.520 you with first round picks. And this guy here seemed 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.440 like to be no exception. Seemed like no exceptions. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.240 Off, all right. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.560 And I tweeted this out on Friday. On Friday morning, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.680 just doing some more research on Mizi Smith, I discovered 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:14.720 a Philadelphia Eagles based podcast called Inside the Birds Podcast 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.360 and Greg co Sell, who is a well respected talent 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:24.600 evaluator in the league or in the medium. He on 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.160 one of the podcasts leading up to the draft, he 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.200 was talking about Mozzy Smith and the quote that I 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.280 tweeted out from that podcast, he said, there's not another 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:39.720 defensive line prospect in this class, including Jalen Carter, with 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:44.840 the size, mass, live feet and short area explosives as 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.480 Mozzi Smith. He's a pretty rare prospect. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:47.960 Wow. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.880 And when you look at with the remember Randy White 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.960 said for years, the manster said for years, you know 0:07:55.080 --> 0:08:00.760 what the Cowboys need on this We need those big 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.800 bazukas in the middle of the offensive line, and in 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.400 this draft, there weren't very many of those big bazukas 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.920 in the middle of a defensive line, meaning a defensive 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.160 tackle who is three hundred and twenty pounds or greater. Really, 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:21.320 if you look at the five, they're about a handful 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.800 that got drafted, maybe four or five of those defensive 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.040 tackles who are three twenty or greater. One of them 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.280 is Jalen Carter, who I mean, you look at his 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.160 tape at Georgia and you can make a a great 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.760 assessment that he is the number one player in this draft. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.760 The way he played. It's the other stuff that dropped him. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.559 Down, all right, And there was a lot of other stuff. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.080 Yeah, and then you got Mazzie Smith, who is the 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.320 twenty six pick of the draft. And then the next 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.400 one there's a siaki Ika from Baylor. I think he 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.080 went in the early he went number ninety eight overall. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:02.559 KeAndre Coburn from Texas went in late in the draft 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.840 to Kansas City, sixth round pick, and that was basically 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.160 it as far as those types. There's other defensive tackles, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.440 but they're three hundred and three oh five or whatever. Right, 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.320 when you're looking at a guy who can play over 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.240 eas and with the athleticism, and then the cowboys have 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.920 talked about that, you can use him in a different 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.679 way than what he was used in Michigan and unleash 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.360 some of that athleticism that he's got. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.480 And I'll tell you what, when you see him in person. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:32.080 Whatever weight they listed him at, it's choice pounds. By 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.880 the way, it's not big sloppy. He can put on 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.800 another ten to fifteen pounds. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.120 But you saw and he used to weigh another twenty 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.760 five pounds. Oh yes, And when he's there's a before 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.000 and after picture of him when he got to Michigan 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.559 and he got in that weight room and he transformed 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:52.160 his body. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.079 Yeah, I think one of the real reason why I 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.320 make he likes this guy. I was looking at his bio. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.559 He graduated with a degree creative Writings to become a screenwriter. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.079 I'm gonna hand off to him, right, he can have 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.200 mixed shots column all right, his well, his his his 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:20.160 parent no grandparents put out a a newspaper during the 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.800 Civil unrest in the sixties. I believe in grand rapids. Yeah, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.239 put out and it was a you know, a supplemental 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.280 type newspaper, not the city newspaper, their own newspaper. So yeah, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.000 it was called the organizer. He's got he's got writing 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.600 genes if nothing else, right, it's. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:44.640 A renaissance man, yes, absolutely so. Yeah, so we're all 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.040 I'm all on board with Mazzie Smith, all right, and 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:53.800 you know they're as Everson alluded to, their opportunities to 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.959 trade down whatever, well it sounded like whoever's going to 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.640 trade up at Mazzi on their mind. And in this draft, 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:05.559 I think it was a deeper draft as far as 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.440 overall now, but as far as the elite first round talent, 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.840 it was it was a more shallow draft. And so 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.079 you could make the case, yeah, you can benefit from 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.000 having more draft picks in the third and fourth round 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:20.760 or so forth, what you might be able to get. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.720 But for what this team needed for this defense, what 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.959 Dan Quinn wanted for this defense, what Micah Parsons wanted 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.640 for this defense, they needed to stay where they were 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.800 and take the best player available right there for this team. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:38.400 And let's remember that eleven of seventeen opponents rushed for 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.640 at least one hundred yards against the Cowboys and in 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.439 their five losses, everybody rushed for at least one hundred 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:50.840 and thirty six yards, including Green Bay with two oh 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:55.319 seven and I think Jacksonville ended up with one ninety two. 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:57.880 So if you look at their losses, what happened. They 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.560 had problems stopping the run and they needed somebody in 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.640 the middle. It got better after they made the draft 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.360 deadline trade for Jonathan Hankins. Unfortunately he got nicked up 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.400 and didn't get to play as much. Now they re 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.640 signed him, and someone to say, well, they've already got 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.680 Jonathan Hankins, Well, Jonathan Hankins has got a battle on 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.440 his hand to get snaps, I think with this kid here. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.000 But it's a good Yeah, it's a rotation on the 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.480 defensive line. Mike McCarthy talked about it last week in 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.400 the pre draft press conference. It's emulating what the Cowboys 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.120 did back in the nineties, where you're rotating guys in 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:35.040 there on the defensive. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.800 Yeah, here's a weird little title for the young man 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:39.439 to take with me. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:40.959 Was named number one. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:45.520 Freak in college, Yes, yeah, right by the athletic the 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.360 athletics Bruce, Yeah, I never heard of this guy. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.400 I never heard of that he did a freak like 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.040 he does that every year, every year. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.960 Called last year, I can't remember who it was, but 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.960 he was a number one on the list list about 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.120 a dozen to fifteen freak athletes. I mean just they're 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.920 rare type athleticism, and Mozzi was at the top of 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:08.320 his list. 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.000 Excellent. I love it, I love it. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.360 So all right, we're all on board with Mazzi. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:16.120 Good on Mazzi, Okay, second round, good. 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:20.240 On schoon Maker, Luke Schoonmaker, the tight end out of Michigan, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:21.520 another Michigan man. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:26.319 So here's the here's the downside of drafting where they 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:32.040 did because I think they thought and everybody else must 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:36.040 have thought it too, that Sam Laporta would end up 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.400 dropping to them, Right, everybody's going to take Mayor And 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.320 who's everybody? 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:43.720 Who's everybody's think of that? 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.000 Yeah? 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:48.680 Yeah, everybody everybody that was predicting. Okay, right, not the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.160 scene called because the team's so called. But the Cowboys 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.080 were hoping, right, and that hope went right out the 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.440 door with the third pick in the second round when 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.120 Detroit took Sam Laporta. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:07.000 Yeah, Dan Campbell a tight end by nature. He did 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.880 not think that Sam laporter would drop all the way 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.200 to fifty eight in the second round. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.040 Obviously no, obviously not. And he was. He was probably 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.080 the best all purpose tight end, not a guy that's 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.200 just going to be vertical, lineup out wide and catch passes. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.280 He can do everything. And that's what they were looking for, 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.760 a tight end that could do everything, including blocking. And 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.760 I'll go back to you know, they're at primes problems 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.400 late in the season running the football. I don't think 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.760 they got much from their tight end. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.440 They did in the blocking what happened there, So I'm not. 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.120 Gonna list bags I was. I was looking at Maya. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.280 I thought Mayor would be an excellent pick for him. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:55.400 That was my He he went with the next pick, right. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.240 And so they don't think that he's as all around 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.600 in regards to blocking. Who's that the Cowboys we don't think, well, 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.800 we think that that Meyer was really all around tight 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:07.640 end that we needed. 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:07.760 Well. 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:10.360 I think I think they had them group together, yeah, 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.760 And I don't we don't know how they how they 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.280 had them rated, but I think they probably had a 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.240 group of four or five that they were all that 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.440 they were good with drafting, and in an early round 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:26.640 in the second round. Yeah, and and Schoonmaker obviously was 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.640 one of those guys because they took him, but I 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.880 think Dalton Kincaid would have been. And he was the 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.640 first one to go just ahead of them in the 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.240 first round. And then you had Laporta and Mayor and 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.800 then Luke Musgrave went forty two to Green Bay. So 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.600 there's four right there that came off the board, and 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.120 that the difference. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.040 I think the difference was they probably think he's a 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.440 better run blocker than all of than all those four. Well, 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.600 they didn't truly think that that has something to do. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.640 That was the difference in regards to picking him out 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:56.560 of the four. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:58.520 That they were available, but they were no, they weren't, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.480 they were gone, they were on, Yeah they were so 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.520 so it was more like, all right, it's the drop 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:08.200 off in their opinion. Yeah, And so that's why they 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.040 felt like they needed to go ahead and use the 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.920 second round or on him, because they didn't they had it. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:19.120 The next grouping of tight ends were were maybe I 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:19.760 don't know what. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.400 I would have to say that he out of the 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.400 second group of tight ends, he's probably a better blocker 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.360 than that particular group that was available. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:30.960 The fifth he was the fifth. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.880 Tight end understand so well. 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:38.680 And the other my big Green notebooks. Darnell Washington was 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.520 another one that I think they probably liked, but they 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.160 didn't like the medicals on it, and so they were 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.160 not going to draft him, and he wound up going 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.880 late the third round of Pittsburgh and so there's some issues. 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:51.840 Well, we're going to be a running team. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.560 So I think that these tight ends they're looking at, 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.480 whoever they fall to, it didn't matter. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.280 They'd better be able to block and be able to 0:16:59.280 --> 0:16:59.920 catch the ball. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.800 Yes, I saw one name came up undrafted free agents. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.040 It was a full back. 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.879 There's a couple of them. Actually, that Princeton Fant from 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.360 Tennessee is also a full back type. He's not he's 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.320 not the tighty end height. He's like six to one 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.040 down here. But Hunter Lipke from North Dakota State who 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.520 ran for a lot of yards at North Dakota State, 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.600 but two hundred and thirty five pounds. He I had 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.800 him on my radar and I think he was probably 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.119 a draftable guy. Didn't get drafted, but he's six to 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.760 one and a quarter two hundred and thirty four pounds 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.600 and actually could carry the ball too. I mean he's 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.440 more than just a fullback because he ran for a. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:41.440 Lot of carrying the ball. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.240 No, I mean he was, no, he was. 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.320 He was we need one yard. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.920 Now it was North Dakota State, Okay, so but. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.280 I mean he actually North State. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.159 Right, he ran for a lot of yards a lot 0:17:55.200 --> 0:18:00.280 of touchdowns for state. But but what the if you 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.320 look back at what Mike McCarthy has done with his 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.680 offense through the years, the John Coon days of the Packers, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.920 he loves that fullback. And so that that's why that's 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:09.600 not a surprise. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.399 That's what the that's where the tight end is going 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:12.280 to come in. That's right. 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.800 And uh so it's not a surprise at all that 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.960 they sounds like reportedly they've got a couple of fullbacks 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.959 undrafted that are on the run Radar Hunter Lipkey and 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.399 Princeton Fan and so. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.520 And by the way, let me clear this up because 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.840 I heard some dy buddy talking about it this morning 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.800 on the radio pointing out that they they guaranteed them 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.280 two hundred thousand dollars. Right, Well, here's what the guarantee is. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.880 The guarantee is basically, we're going to keep you at 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.040 least on the practice squad because if you're on the 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.040 practice squad for the whole season, it comes to about 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:56.000 two hundred thousand dollars. So basically that's that's the deal, uh, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.560 with the guarantee, so that that that they at least 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.080 know that, if nothing else, I'm going to be on 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:03.000 the practice squad. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.359 Here's the other thing about because there's a lot of 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.399 talk out there that oh and I got immediate text 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.439 for people saying, oh, they reached on the tight end 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:15.719 in the second round. Whatever. Here was the dynamic of 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:20.880 this draft compared to say, last year's draft. Last year, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:24.080 first tight end that was drafted in that draft was 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.480 Trey McBride out of Colorado State. He went late in 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.840 the second round, number fifty five overall, to the Arizona 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.320 Cardinals by pick fifty five or fifty eight. When the 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.280 Cowboys picked this year, there had already been four tight 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.960 ends that were off the board. So if you put 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.360 I think Mickey, if you put this tight end class 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:48.880 in last year's draft, they would not have been coming 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.840 off the board in the second round. You had better 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.240 wide a deeper top end of the wide receiver class 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.520 last year. Not taking anything away from these tight ends, 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:02.240 but it's just the way this Hear draft worked where 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.440 the tight ends came off the board in the second round. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.320 That's why you had to go get your tight end 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:07.000 in the second. 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.440 Round, and another tight end came off the board before 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.320 they would have picked in the third round. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:14.760 Well, there are three tight ends. There was one right after. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.239 The m Tucker Kraft right and then right after them 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:18.280 another title. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.200 Cameron Latou out of Alabama. There was one right after. 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.840 Then Darnell Washington in their right. 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.120 Who was off their board. But Y and Britton Strange 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.320 went late second round too. But fourth round, there were 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.720 like six tight ends that were drafted last year. This 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.680 year there were no tight ends taken in the fourth round. 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.960 And in fact, if you look at the entire draft, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.399 there were fifteen tight ends drafted this year. Well there 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:47.560 were eighteen last year, but seventeen of those eighteen were 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.600 drafted in the third round or later last year. 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.280 And I think what people also need to remember when 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:56.480 you're drafting that late in a round, it's almost like 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.000 taking that guy in the next round, right, the twenty 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:02.400 sixth pick in the first round. 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:02.720 Huh. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.920 Probably you know you could say, well, you know, we 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.359 don't take defensive tackles in the first hadn't done it 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.919 since what Russell Maryland. But this is almost like a 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.320 second round pick. The same thing with the tight end. 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.760 It's almost like a third round. You know, all their picks, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.919 you can just say, okay, other than trading up for 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.800 the first pick in the sixth round, all those picks 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:26.439 are almost the next round. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.399