Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our
Speaker 2: stories done done, Yay, that's messed up.
Speaker 3: An sview podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank And every week
Speaker 1: it's SVEW episode recaps, it's true crime deep dives, and
Speaker 1: it's interviews with people that are on the show. And
Speaker 1: sometimes it is but then at up top, we just
Speaker 1: like to chit chat about what's going on in the world,
Speaker 1: life and the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 2: So I was so scared about my new laptop, you know,
Speaker 2: like I just have so many fears and every time
Speaker 2: anything happens, I so I didn't use it for I
Speaker 2: would say days. I just listened to music because I've
Speaker 2: been reading. So I finished all the books. I bought
Speaker 2: a new one today by the same author. I was
Speaker 2: sobbing on a bench this weekend. Sobbing on a bench.
Speaker 2: This book made me cry. But anyways, but I got
Speaker 2: back into the laptop and I didn't realize how poorly
Speaker 2: I had been living. Like you know, when you split
Speaker 2: the like Google Chrome half page, half page.
Speaker 3: I had to do it two to three times. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't just do it.
Speaker 2: And so like the fact that it just does it
Speaker 2: is like wait, what like the clickity clacks feel good?
Speaker 3: Like everything is just kind of actually, yeah, it's been nice.
Speaker 3: It's been nice today. I love a new laptop. I
Speaker 3: feel like they just run.
Speaker 1: They run so well for the first like few months
Speaker 1: you get one, and then you know, it all starts
Speaker 1: going downhill. But we did last week on the pod
Speaker 1: this guy who had you know, donated a sperm and
Speaker 1: had like a billion kids or whatever, And we did
Speaker 1: have a listener write us. I will not identify them,
Speaker 1: but they did say that they used to date this guy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Him and his wife broke up a
Speaker 1: long time ago. They had one kid together and they
Speaker 1: broke up and she never got over the the wife
Speaker 1: never got over the donor of it all. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: like being with somebody, being with somebody who's like secretly
Speaker 1: the dad of like seventy five kids, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: That's that's stressful. I don't know if I could do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if true love could overcome that. Casey,
Speaker 1: Casey's making a face like a yikes. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: not that I'm saying men shouldn't donate sperm. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it's a good cause people need sperm, but dang,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know most people I know that have No,
Speaker 3: that's not true.
Speaker 1: I have I know people who have gotten sperm from
Speaker 1: people they know and from strangers, so from like a
Speaker 1: from banks. So I don't fucking know what I would
Speaker 1: do if I met a guy that was like the
Speaker 1: love of my life and was like, guess what, I
Speaker 1: have seventy five kids.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would rather someone have seventy five kids they don't
Speaker 2: know than one kid.
Speaker 3: They do know.
Speaker 1: You would never date someone with a kid, No, never,
Speaker 1: you know that about me? I feel like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I thought that if it was like I
Speaker 1: feel like you would if it was like a thirteen
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 3: That was cool or something. No, we've talked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, why would I Well, because if you're a
Speaker 2: good I would want you to be a good parent,
Speaker 2: and then I wouldn't. Then I I don't want the
Speaker 2: kid in my house, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: then if you're a deadbeat, that's like a very unattractive quality. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like I would never be able to date a
Speaker 2: parent because you're either involved with your kid, which is
Speaker 2: not a life I have never not involved with your kid,
Speaker 2: which means we're which is the most unattractive thing you
Speaker 2: can I can imagine. I don't want children, so I
Speaker 2: want to be with someone who also doesn't want children.
Speaker 2: Like that makes sense to me, right, like sense? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I don't want it, Like if someone has a
Speaker 2: aseec to me like that's hot, or if they donated
Speaker 2: a bunch of sperm and don't care, like that makes
Speaker 2: sense to me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you would be a perfect match for this guy,
Speaker 1: probably although he wanted kids, I guess because he did
Speaker 1: have one of his own children.
Speaker 3: But the seventy five kids he doesn't know, not a
Speaker 3: problem for you. No, no, yeah, doesn't bother me. No, no, me.
Speaker 1: Neither doesn't bother me. And generated that's a lot of spur.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, you know, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: are picking you. I feel like they need to retire
Speaker 1: your number at some point, you know, which I guess
Speaker 1: they do do, but not before seventy five kids are born.
Speaker 1: And also there's no there's no it's like police departments.
Speaker 1: There's no jurisdiction across the different states, so they're going
Speaker 1: to different places.
Speaker 2: And I'm also shout out Asie Giean his UH number
Speaker 2: thirteen was retired, the White Sox manager of the World
Speaker 2: Series winning team, and they like they told it to
Speaker 2: him on air and he cried. And the first thing
Speaker 2: he said was where's my wife? Oh so cute, that's nice.
Speaker 2: And his wife used to get her pussy waxed at
Speaker 2: the salon I worked at as an exceptionist.
Speaker 1: Everything comes full circle. Everyone is connected. This world is
Speaker 1: a series of interconnected people.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And today the Hudson Williams Peloton ad came out, like
Speaker 2: can you even believe it?
Speaker 3: I didn't know about it.
Speaker 2: What happened and behind the scenes and immediately, well they
Speaker 2: like teased the video yesterday and it's just like hot
Speaker 2: and incredible. I mean, Peloton whatever, thirsty bitches and gay
Speaker 2: dudes are working at Peloton and objectifying the men throughout
Speaker 2: the years.
Speaker 1: God bless you. Yeah, it's been a joy. The nude maloney.
Speaker 1: And now what is Hudson doing.
Speaker 2: He's in a little he's truly like dancing working out
Speaker 2: looking like come fuck me and I knew the choreographer
Speaker 2: is gonna be cool, and then it's a woman director.
Speaker 3: I just like really love everything that they're doing.
Speaker 2: I think like every choice they're doing is perfect, and
Speaker 2: every little commercial and everything they do is also a
Speaker 2: nod to this, like to the Long Game book. It's
Speaker 2: kind of crazy, like it are so much meta within
Speaker 2: the ads. I feel it's like it's we're losing our minds,
Speaker 2: but it is real.
Speaker 3: But he looks hot, he's on the treadmill.
Speaker 2: He's just like working out in this room and doing
Speaker 2: really cool choreo and dancing in a fun outfit, and
Speaker 2: his absolutely insane. Like the second season, they're gonna look insane,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be nuts.
Speaker 3: They insane the first season.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, but I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: been seeing them, but it's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: The bods.
Speaker 1: Oh, a lot of people were messaging what are they
Speaker 1: mad at about?
Speaker 3: Polly did the community because we have cool listeners, you
Speaker 3: just actually get a lot of pushback on the ball.
Speaker 1: Well, some people were just like people can be cool
Speaker 1: in Polly and not be dating and leaving their wives
Speaker 1: at home and doing all that. But it was truly
Speaker 1: the definition your life at home to go hang out
Speaker 1: with someone else. It was the Shane and Ilia look
Speaker 1: alike contests that those two guys are dating.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like the best the universe keeps expanding, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these lookalike contests are so funny to me. I
Speaker 1: like when they show up, the people that are the
Speaker 1: lookalike subject show up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you know, so they obviously like made
Speaker 2: out hardcore and then at the contest and that was hot.
Speaker 2: But then they did an interview about their date and
Speaker 2: one of their kind of dorks they went on an
Speaker 2: eight hour date, and one of them was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we ended up harmonizing, and the other one
Speaker 2: was like, I thought we weren't gonna say anything about that.
Speaker 3: So like it's really cute. They're like sang together, oh
Speaker 3: my god, and the other ones like, don't say that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, they were so cute.
Speaker 2: And then they went to a women's hockey game and
Speaker 2: then the actress who placed Vetlana was there and they
Speaker 2: wore the jerseys and like took photos with her, and
Speaker 2: so like everyone's just kind of pumped for everyone.
Speaker 3: Like the fandom is really nice. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's like some psychopaths hit it in the corners. The
Speaker 3: girl that the girl.
Speaker 2: There's a girl who was making such good trailers and
Speaker 2: edits of heated rivalry that HBO hired her and now
Speaker 2: she's an official trailer maker and does all their stuff.
Speaker 3: The Dream The Dream, and we followed each other recently,
Speaker 3: so no big deal.
Speaker 1: Anyday, I would say, you're probably in the upper echelon
Speaker 1: of the fandom.
Speaker 3: I would say, now everyone's in the fandom.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw my story or not,
Speaker 2: but I think I'm going to do it more this year.
Speaker 3: But I read a book on my fire escape. Oh
Speaker 3: that's fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun. I put a blanket out, I sat,
Speaker 2: I wore a hat. I need some block for sure.
Speaker 2: A lot of people commented, and yeah, I was unfortunately
Speaker 2: up till five.
Speaker 3: In the morning. I've been reading all day, all night.
Speaker 3: I haven't slept.
Speaker 2: I've been researching since seven in the morning for our podcast,
Speaker 2: and I'm holding on by a thread. And I and
Speaker 2: then I had an hour between finishing research and us podcasting,
Speaker 2: and I rushed to the.
Speaker 3: Barnes and Noble and bought another gay book. To buy
Speaker 3: another book. I need another book. I'm ready for more.
Speaker 2: I'm ready for more. I was reading it like I
Speaker 2: just like, I don't know what's happening. But this one
Speaker 2: was extra go and it's New York. I'm on his
Speaker 2: hair on it.
Speaker 1: I love a fire escape hanging. Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it could be escape, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if I have another person. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: little tough to get. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Trying to think if i'd feel safe with two people
Speaker 3: being there, but.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, yeah, it would usually just be two of us,
Speaker 1: Max on my sisters, but I never had one on
Speaker 1: my own apartment.
Speaker 3: But I liked other people's.
Speaker 2: Wait, what's going on with Rosie's hair like ponytail situation?
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So at her first game, where by the way, she
Speaker 1: scored two runs, she that was mostly she no, she
Speaker 1: did well, she did really well. Like the parents were like,
Speaker 1: she's never played before, and I was like, no, she's
Speaker 1: never played, and they were like, she's doing good. So
Speaker 1: but I for a little while, she let me put
Speaker 1: her hair into the hole of the hat, which was
Speaker 1: a huge, a huge, but then she took it down
Speaker 1: and the co which I approached the coach and said
Speaker 1: you know, if you feel like Rosie needs to put
Speaker 1: her hair up, you can absolutely tell her that. She
Speaker 1: won't take it for me, but she'll take it from you.
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, I think I'm gonna tell her
Speaker 1: for safety and I go, yeah, thanks. So we got
Speaker 1: to work on it for next game.
Speaker 2: Well, so you know, my soul cycle classes are popular,
Speaker 2: so to fit more people, she'll like the teacher will
Speaker 2: be off the bike and let others, like people be
Speaker 2: on the podium that are really good to fit more
Speaker 2: people in.
Speaker 3: And the last podium girl was hair down the whole time.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So after class I did approach her and I goes, so,
Speaker 2: what are we doing hair?
Speaker 3: Like, how are you doing it? Hair down?
Speaker 2: And she goes, I fucking love it. She goes, I
Speaker 2: feel so cool, like she likes so whip better, like
Speaker 2: she felt awesome.
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder if she's a dancer because my
Speaker 1: friend I just talked to my friend about this, who
Speaker 1: I work out with all the time, and I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you have your hair down? Like it really
Speaker 1: is so freaky to me, Like I cannot have sweaty
Speaker 1: hair on the back of my neck.
Speaker 3: She goes, it's like a dance thing.
Speaker 1: It's like dancing, like when you're a dancer, because she's
Speaker 1: a big dancer, and she's like it's just a part
Speaker 1: of the like the hairography is like part of it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Like so maybe they've just trained themselves. It's not gonna
Speaker 3: be me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just went to the gym this morning
Speaker 1: and it was up as high as it could go
Speaker 1: on the top of my head, like I can't, I
Speaker 1: cannot have it back down there. But both my children
Speaker 1: just got haircuts, so we've been we've been trying to
Speaker 1: weed wax that hair away.
Speaker 3: Did you already sign up for summer camp? What's happening
Speaker 3: with that? Yes, they're going to camps. I'm up. I
Speaker 3: was up.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to do the full gauntlet that I did,
Speaker 1: like where the Taylor Swift Zoo camp situation that I've
Speaker 1: had to do before, but because I'm I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be in la really, but I had to wake
Speaker 1: up to get them into an East Coast summer camp
Speaker 1: at like five in the morning because you know, their
Speaker 1: registration is three hours ahead, so you know they're in.
Speaker 3: They're going to different camps, but like mostly just what
Speaker 3: are the coast camps.
Speaker 1: Well, one in Connecticut that's a farm camp that they
Speaker 1: did last year.
Speaker 3: They loved that.
Speaker 1: They're doing the farm camp again, and then they're doing
Speaker 1: two weeks of this beach camp, which is supposed to
Speaker 1: be great and the only problem is if it really
Speaker 1: really rains, they just cancel the day and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be bad, but hopefully it just won't happen.
Speaker 1: And then then they're going to the Rosie's going to
Speaker 1: the two weeks of the camp that I went to.
Speaker 1: The overnight camp has a day camp, and she's doing
Speaker 1: the two week session of that. Oscar doesn't know yet
Speaker 1: that he's too young to go, so he's been signed
Speaker 1: up for a different camp and does not know that
Speaker 1: he will be separated from his sister for two weeks.
Speaker 1: But we will ease into that as time goes on.
Speaker 1: So that's that's it. That's the camps. We're all set.
Speaker 1: Luckily the camp's in LA. It's terrible. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: I want to blame Trump, but it's like all of
Speaker 1: the rec center camps, Like the rec centers aren't getting
Speaker 1: as much money as they used to. All the camps
Speaker 1: that used to be really affordable for people in the
Speaker 1: community are twice as much this year, three times as much.
Speaker 1: It's like really really tough, tough times. And I like
Speaker 1: to blame Trump if I can, aka Jesus Christ himself.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'd like to I'd like to reach out to
Speaker 2: the audience. Listen, So you know I bought all these
Speaker 2: nice sheets. I'm living a charmed life. I love the sheets.
Speaker 3: I don't no matter how.
Speaker 2: Much do you spend and you tie the corners? Why
Speaker 2: is the comforter inside the duvet?
Speaker 3: Like the duvet? Answer?
Speaker 2: Why does it untie? And why is it moving around
Speaker 2: within it? What is the solution?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? And shout out to the people that
Speaker 2: went to the moon. But anyways, ah, just.
Speaker 3: Quick shout out to the people who went to the
Speaker 3: moon duvet covers? Where are we with that? Listen?
Speaker 2: I woke up at a in the morning screaming. I
Speaker 2: started creating, scream crying, going why can't I figure it?
Speaker 3: Like it took I was? I just? Am I sleeping? Crazy?
Speaker 3: Am I kicking too much? Like? How is it untied?
Speaker 3: And then sometimes it's it's still tied and yet moving
Speaker 3: Like I don't understand. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I think all it takes is one corner coming undone
Speaker 1: and the whole thing gets fucked up. But it's really crazy.
Speaker 1: We need to figure out we need to get those
Speaker 1: astronauts back down from the moon and figure out more
Speaker 1: duvet technology. Maybe by technology, I don't know, a magnet
Speaker 1: could smack you in the face in the night if
Speaker 1: you're thrashing. But my duvet ties inside, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: I have like a nice west elm or a or
Speaker 1: a parachute or something cover. The ties inside just ripped
Speaker 1: out one time, just ripped out when I was trying
Speaker 1: to tie them.
Speaker 3: So now my comforters just loosey goosey in there. I
Speaker 3: need to get a new duvet. But yeah, the tie system,
Speaker 3: it's not perfect.
Speaker 2: But then some people are just like I understand, being
Speaker 2: like naked, like just just raw dogging the comforter.
Speaker 3: But I think you'd have to have your own washer
Speaker 3: and dryer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they make every duvet like bright bright white,
Speaker 1: like they don't really ever come in like patterns that
Speaker 1: would make more sense to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I do know.
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: this a lot. The dude, Yeah, we need to get
Speaker 1: we need to. We need to step it up on
Speaker 1: the Douvet technology.
Speaker 2: It's just like I'm spending hundreds and I'm having the
Speaker 2: problems of peasants, Like I don't want that. Like it's
Speaker 2: just like I don't like that. Why am I still
Speaker 2: having Ikia problems with my west SLM sheets with.
Speaker 1: Your Champagne dream Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what I'm not understanding. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's annoying as fuck. I took Rosie and her for
Speaker 1: best friends, four boys to a birthday for her birthday
Speaker 1: last weekend, I took them to a jump place and
Speaker 1: them back to our house for chaos and pizza and
Speaker 1: a sleep under if you will, which is you know,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this already where people leave early.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of male energy in there.
Speaker 1: She was so happy, She was so happy to just
Speaker 1: be surrounded by boys and have like you know, and
Speaker 1: Oscar had a little friend there who.
Speaker 3: Was a girl, and she was like, this is a lot.
Speaker 3: I felt bad for her. I was like, is she
Speaker 3: gonna be okay?
Speaker 1: But the Friday night before I had this fucking sleepover,
Speaker 1: I got extremely drunk, and because I did, my the
Speaker 1: co host of my other podcast, Jackie, she does this
Speaker 1: thing every Friday where she's live streams with this guy Holden,
Speaker 1: and they do shots and they get really fucked up.
Speaker 3: They smoke weed.
Speaker 1: They just get fucked up and people watch them and
Speaker 1: like send them money. It's like a twitch thing. And
Speaker 1: he couldn't do it, and so I've done it before.
Speaker 1: I did it in December, and I had a great time,
Speaker 1: and I didn't I like, I got drunk, but not
Speaker 1: too crazy.
Speaker 3: You don't say this time.
Speaker 1: I fucking just didn't eat anything and thought that we
Speaker 1: were going to somehow eat in the middle, even though
Speaker 1: we usually always.
Speaker 3: The only other time I did it, we ate at
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 1: So I only lasted three and a half hours and
Speaker 1: then I had to tap out and I did throw up.
Speaker 1: And I have not thrown up from drinking in four years.
Speaker 1: I think you were with me the last time I
Speaker 1: threw up from drinking, and it really kind of made
Speaker 1: us sleep under with five kids a little bit more challenging.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: Oh it was it was the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the day after, and I had to
Speaker 1: go to my friend's birthday party after the stream, so
Speaker 1: I threw up. I took a thirty minute power nap,
Speaker 1: and then I woke up and I felt great, and
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I'm good, and I went
Speaker 1: to my friend's birthday. I didn't drink anything. I only
Speaker 1: had water at the birthday. But I was like, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. And then when I woke up, my body
Speaker 1: was like, you're not fine. Actually, we gave you a
Speaker 1: two hour reprieve to go to your friend's birthday, and
Speaker 1: now you're actually not fine.
Speaker 3: You actually feel terrible.
Speaker 1: So that was and then straight into first grade or Thunderdome.
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty well weekend for me. Are goodie
Speaker 1: bags still a thing?
Speaker 3: Or No? They are, but I don't really do them.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't like this wasn't really like we weren't
Speaker 1: really calling it a birthday party. She already had a
Speaker 1: birthday party North Carolina, like we were calling it just
Speaker 1: sort of like it was like pizza, ice cream, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really I didn't decorate for it.
Speaker 1: You know, she didn't really care about any of that.
Speaker 1: So we didn't do goodie bags. But the people do
Speaker 1: do them, and they're mostly filled with plastic junk that
Speaker 1: you throw away as soon as you get home, you know,
Speaker 1: like the kids. They with them for like two hours,
Speaker 1: so it's like a lot of landfill shit. When she
Speaker 1: had a birthday a few years ago, I got the
Speaker 1: kids their own little mini clipboards, and I printed out
Speaker 1: coloring sheets and gave them like colored past with them,
Speaker 1: so that it felt like more of a thing they
Speaker 1: could like use at home, like if they're on the couch,
Speaker 1: they can like draw or write or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I haven't really done a goodie bag in a
Speaker 3: hot minute. How did Jared do flying across country? Oh?
Speaker 3: He killed it. He killed it. He remembered everything. He
Speaker 3: got them out there.
Speaker 1: He said they had like one little melt down at
Speaker 1: the airport, but everything was fine.
Speaker 3: He did it. Yeah, and you're surprised.
Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised. I thought he'll get them across, they'll
Speaker 1: be fine on the plane. I just thought he'll forget
Speaker 1: a bunch of shit that I needed him to bring.
Speaker 3: But he didn't.
Speaker 1: And then I sat with the kids the whole ride home,
Speaker 1: and they were a dream. Oscar slept for like two hours.
Speaker 1: They just watched movies.
Speaker 3: We barely. It was amazing. It was great.
Speaker 1: But Rosie had that thing happen where you open your
Speaker 1: water bottle on the plane and it just spouted all
Speaker 1: over her and she did freak out. It was it
Speaker 1: was a never ending stream, like it really kept going.
Speaker 2: But oh wait, also, did you see this? It's a
Speaker 2: mix of all my interests. They saved like a sea
Speaker 2: and they named him Shane Hollander. And so it's like
Speaker 2: this baby seal named Shane Hollander.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so cute.
Speaker 1: Wait. Have I told you that we have a listener
Speaker 1: that has goats that they named Kara and Lisa.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't.
Speaker 1: And then the goats had one of the goats had
Speaker 1: babies and they named them Rosie and Oscar.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but like I remember being named after like
Speaker 2: a goat being named after me. But this was a
Speaker 2: few years ago, and I get updates of the goat.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that there was a new set of
Speaker 2: goats or if this original goat person had another goat
Speaker 2: and that's Kara, or is this a new am?
Speaker 3: I am? I? Are there two separate Are there two
Speaker 3: separate visa goats? I don't know? Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: We have a listener? Hold on, let me look it up.
Speaker 1: We have a listener who has goats and named them
Speaker 1: Karen Lisa, and then one of them had babies. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was Lisa that had the babies, who knows, and
Speaker 1: name them Rosy and Oscar. And then I showed my
Speaker 1: kids and they were like freaking out because they were
Speaker 1: so upseested.
Speaker 3: They thought that was.
Speaker 2: The Oh my god, wait now that we're not okay,
Speaker 2: you grabbed your phone and then I remembered my phone.
Speaker 3: I texted my nephews. I'm like, are you guys nervous
Speaker 3: about the draft?
Speaker 2: And they wrote NFL and I go military and it
Speaker 2: was like lol. And then we were kind of just
Speaker 2: and we were just kind of making jokes about it,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Liked that that's so funny. I mean, on set of texts,
Speaker 3: do we think that it's gonna be?
Speaker 1: They just this administration feels too stupid if they do
Speaker 1: instate the draft to like weed out people lying. Like
Speaker 1: if people lie and say they have problems and they
Speaker 1: can't do it.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's concentration camps. What are you talking about. They'll
Speaker 2: take everybody, They'll drag you out of the streets. They
Speaker 2: don't care. We're run by private prison complex. Like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about? I know mine, I don't know
Speaker 2: leave the country I hope. So, wait, did we already
Speaker 2: lose our minds of a Selka's going back to twenty
Speaker 2: four hours April seventeenth?
Speaker 3: Wait? How long did they go off? Twenty four hours?
Speaker 3: Six years? Wow?
Speaker 2: And now they're about six years. Yeah, and I have
Speaker 2: a late night spot. I'm gonna go walk home. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get the custom new sweatshirt they just put out
Speaker 2: to celebrate, and I'm gonna live my life. It's gonna
Speaker 2: change my whole social life. My whole life's about to change.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. That's amazing. It's weird. I guess where I live.
Speaker 1: I live. Where I lived, there was French Roast and
Speaker 1: that was the only place that was like truly twenty.
Speaker 2: Four hours awesome. That was awesome. Yeah, that's an awesome place.
Speaker 2: It's Bagel Pub. Now I think it's gone. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: been gone for a while. It's been going for damn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: unless I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Yeah,
Speaker 2: French Roosts on the Upper West.
Speaker 1: But it's great to have a twenty four hour like
Speaker 1: actual place with normal.
Speaker 3: Like not bodega food that you can eat, you know. Agree.
Speaker 2: Oh, remember I said something crazy happened at my show
Speaker 2: with the speakers.
Speaker 1: Yes, where somebody was like just getting like making candy
Speaker 1: crush noises.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't know if you guys remember, but
Speaker 2: last week I was talking about how I was doing
Speaker 2: a show at Union Hall and like through the speakers loudly,
Speaker 2: it was like a candy crush game when you could
Speaker 2: hear the pit bam, pit bam, but chow and it
Speaker 2: was like crazy and people didn't know it was a
Speaker 2: bit and I'm like, I made it funny and whatever,
Speaker 2: but like the noises were coming. I couldn't speak into
Speaker 2: the mic. It was pandemonium. They turned it all off.
Speaker 2: Then when they turned it back on, an audio book
Speaker 2: of World War II was playing and it was like
Speaker 2: loud and it was just like we couldn't figure out
Speaker 2: where the noises were coming from. Everyone at Union Hall
Speaker 2: is kind of losing their mind figuring it out. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to like finish my set, you know whatever. So
Speaker 2: I went I had a show there last night, and
Speaker 2: I asked, I was like, did you guys ever find
Speaker 2: out what happened? And basically, one of the dudes in
Speaker 2: the kitchen accidentally connected his bluetooth and he was watching
Speaker 2: a documentary about World War Two. And I think he
Speaker 2: took a little break to play game and then.
Speaker 3: Went back to the dock. But like he wouldn't be
Speaker 3: able to hear the dock if the dock was going
Speaker 3: through the speaker.
Speaker 1: So like the thing is like for it to be
Speaker 1: on for like a few seconds and be like, why
Speaker 1: can't I hear this?
Speaker 3: You'd turn it off or something, but it was going on.
Speaker 2: No, he's not good at technology. That's why I like
Speaker 2: all the girls telling me yesterday, she goes was confusing.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really know what he's doing, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: No one even understands how he did it. But it
Speaker 2: was just a dude in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: That is, they had to make their speaker undiscoverable because
Speaker 1: otherwise anybody could just go boop into the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so wild, it's so funny. But a kitchen guy.
Speaker 3: I love a kitchen guy trying to find out more
Speaker 3: about World War two. I love that. I do love that. Well.
Speaker 3: I really loved reading.
Speaker 2: We could be so good and then like you should
Speaker 2: be so lucky these cats Sebastian books, because they're one
Speaker 2: is set in nineteen fifty eight fifty nine, and the
Speaker 2: others set in nineteen sixty and it like is real
Speaker 2: New York stuff and I really liked it. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, they talk about real articles and real shit
Speaker 2: that was happening, and I'm just, I don't know, really
Speaker 2: into it. You know, when I was crying on the bench,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what I bet people that like
Speaker 2: make stuff want, you know, Yeah, for people to like
Speaker 2: really react to something.
Speaker 3: Anyways, Well, that's totally all right. Yeah, let's get started.
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Speaker 2: We are doing Redemption in Her Corner Season twenty one,
Speaker 2: episode thirteen, February sixth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: We didn't know the world was going to collapse.
Speaker 2: Fully, we knew there were issues obviously, And the episode
Speaker 2: starts very ahead of it time because listen to this,
Speaker 2: so keep this in your mind. February sixth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It starts by Benson and Barbara are facetiming on her laptop.
Speaker 2: So the fact that they're even face timing, like I
Speaker 2: don't I don't feel like we were like really doing
Speaker 2: that on our laptops even right, Like I guess people skyped,
Speaker 2: but I just I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just think it's so ominous to me. It's interesting
Speaker 3: because she's doing.
Speaker 1: It before video calls us as prevalent, like I know
Speaker 1: people do much more prevalent now, but like it's just
Speaker 1: ominous just knowing everything.
Speaker 2: But so she makes fun of his growing beard. He's
Speaker 2: in Iowa, trying to blend in he's there because of
Speaker 2: election fraud, and he says he's living in a dystopian nightmare.
Speaker 2: And it was, but we still had no idea like
Speaker 2: how much worse it's gotten, Like I mean, for Barbara
Speaker 2: in February twenty twenty to say dystopian nightmare, which makes
Speaker 2: sense because he was in office, but still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why that's crazy yep, where we talk about dystopia
Speaker 1: so much now.
Speaker 2: And he asks how Benson is. He's heard about Tucker.
Speaker 2: So this Tucker has taken his own life. This is
Speaker 2: a nightmare. So her eyes instantly turned wet. It's been
Speaker 2: rough and this is all tragic. She's at a loss.
Speaker 2: Time is just flying by. They're having a beautiful moment.
Speaker 2: He said he will be back after the primary, and
Speaker 2: when he's back, he wants to do dinner on him, obviously, Barbara.
Speaker 2: He then says happy birthday, and he's early, but he
Speaker 2: wanted to be the first.
Speaker 3: So sweet.
Speaker 2: She closes the laptop she's thinking. She walks out to
Speaker 2: the center area and tells Finn and Rowlins that Barba
Speaker 2: says hi, and she's like she's kind of like regular
Speaker 2: working girl, like kind of putting tupperware in her big bag,
Speaker 2: like I like, Kat isn't there. Because Finn let her
Speaker 2: go warm up for her boxing match, and then he's like,
Speaker 2: remember we're all going.
Speaker 3: She obviously forgot. She's in mourning. Tucker is dead.
Speaker 2: She has an appointment, she says, and Noah has rehearsal
Speaker 2: she's clearly lying and runs off, and.
Speaker 1: There's the squad, like ever literally gone to support another
Speaker 1: member of the squad doing something that they do.
Speaker 3: In their free time.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I don't know if it's before after that,
Speaker 2: I would say like the baptisms or weddings or like
Speaker 2: maybe adoption. No, they were not the adoption, but I
Speaker 2: think stuff like that, Like, but those are all later seasons.
Speaker 2: Early season, there's a Thanksgiving? Does Kragan host?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I mean it's like they socialize sometime. I'm probably got
Speaker 1: a little party, but like there's never like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Rollins has a fun hobby she does and we can
Speaker 1: all go watch her do it, or like let's all
Speaker 1: go see Finn try stand up comedy.
Speaker 3: Well, what are what are you?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're gonna go to the under Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna go to the underground gambling ring.
Speaker 3: Like what is Rollins doing? I know? But it's like
Speaker 3: Bells are Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: I guess that nobody video game convention and Finn likes
Speaker 2: video game but they seems like they all do, but.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever went to go cheer Casey Novak go on
Speaker 1: when her team Sex Crimes was playing soft ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe but we don't. We don't know that You're right.
Speaker 2: This is cute. I don't know where she finds the time,
Speaker 2: but we arrive at this boxing gym and.
Speaker 3: Cat arrives as well. It's us and Cat the figurative
Speaker 3: we we're together. Oh but before that, Fin reassures like
Speaker 3: Rollins looks worried, and Finn's like, listen, she needs time.
Speaker 3: It'll be okay.
Speaker 2: Not everyone eats their feelings with like destroying their own
Speaker 2: life slowly. So she sorry, you don't get that, Cat,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean l.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Cat arrives, are women in the ring and a
Speaker 2: woman coach, and then Cat trash talks the woman she's
Speaker 2: gonna fight and they have a fun back and forth,
Speaker 2: and then she asks if Romeo's around, and they say
Speaker 2: Romeo with an accent, and I'm not doing it. So
Speaker 2: his name's Romeo. They say Romeo, but they say Romeo.
Speaker 2: Final say Romeo. It's like Romeo Romeo around. It doesn't
Speaker 2: even come natural. I'm saying Romeo, so Romeo, Oh, go
Speaker 2: say it, yeah, Romeo around. I hate that saying. I
Speaker 2: don't want to say that either. Now whatever, she checks
Speaker 2: if the coaches in and he's in the office, and
Speaker 2: Kat goes off to the office, but his door's locked,
Speaker 2: which seems unusual because she seems confused by it and knock, knock.
Speaker 2: It takes a while to open. I would say ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen seconds, and then a young girl, Cammy, walks out,
Speaker 2: like pretty young, and he looks suspicious as fuck. He's
Speaker 2: like touching his dick over his pants and he says
Speaker 2: he popped. He says he popped in her left shoulder,
Speaker 2: which is like such a wild lie to hop to
Speaker 2: like it could have been like, uh, she had a
Speaker 2: rough day or was giving her an inspirat like to
Speaker 2: pop the shoulder back in, but whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but for none of the You wouldn't have to.
Speaker 2: Lock the door to pop the shoulder in, and we
Speaker 2: would have heard a scream no, like when we've heard that.
Speaker 3: That's what I would think. Kat's suspicious.
Speaker 2: Vala is gonna be in your corner, he tells her,
Speaker 2: which bothers her, like, so that's gonna be a different coach.
Speaker 2: And she wanted this guy, and he's like, I have
Speaker 2: to be with Esperanza. I mean she's only nineteen, and
Speaker 2: he goes, you'll be fine, and she goes, that's all
Speaker 2: I get from my pre fight pep talk like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? And he's like right, fine and begrudgingly gives
Speaker 2: her some words. He says, Esperanza has a left we cook,
Speaker 2: so like do an overhead right and make it hard
Speaker 2: to counter? How do you coach both girls that are
Speaker 2: fighting each other? Like that's crazy?
Speaker 1: Yeah you can't do Yeah, I mean you can do
Speaker 1: that in a random gym, but then like not if
Speaker 1: there's like a competition element, that's what I don't know.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. So Yeah, goes to Cammy asked
Speaker 2: about her shoulder. She seems like she doesn't know what
Speaker 2: the fuck she's talking about. So locked door, weird shoulder,
Speaker 2: what's happening? Cammy goes where Cammy's I like Cammy, she
Speaker 2: goes SVU, relax, I'm not an after school special, okayqut trying.
Speaker 3: To stir up trouble. She walks off.
Speaker 2: So this is a Golden Gloves qualifying match, KREESI is
Speaker 2: there in a full suit.
Speaker 3: You couldn't even hot sin your tie, like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the full soup rollin's messy bond
Speaker 2: perfect like always fin is there. So then they asked,
Speaker 2: who's fighting a man? An old man turns around the
Speaker 2: dad and goes, that's my daughter, and another girl is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Cat's just a stepping stone for us, speranza, and he's
Speaker 2: acting out uppercuts like he's at a tiebout class, and
Speaker 2: then like so, then they call Cat the.
Speaker 3: Brute from be Root.
Speaker 2: I like that, and there's cheers and jeers, and then
Speaker 2: the ref has a silver eye patch and I don't
Speaker 2: mean like a cloth one, and it's the color silver.
Speaker 2: I mean a hard metal, silver, metal eye patch that
Speaker 2: looks like artistic and melting over his eye, and he
Speaker 2: has a.
Speaker 1: B I don't even think I noticed that. I think
Speaker 1: I looked away for a second. Oh guy casting.
Speaker 2: So people are definitely cheering louder for Cat's opponent, and
Speaker 2: the boxing happens, and then a money exchange happens between
Speaker 2: fedora guy and a sweatsuit guy. The squad cheers on Cat,
Speaker 2: and I can't tell who's who they're fighting. They're wearing helmets.
Speaker 2: It's red versus blue, and I truly cannot tell the
Speaker 2: whole time. So but no Kat gets knocked the fuck out.
Speaker 2: She's struggling down there.
Speaker 3: The teen did beat her and yeah, so that sucks
Speaker 3: for her credits.
Speaker 2: So now we're back at work. Everyone's hungover as fuck.
Speaker 2: I love this and they're like, damn, she can fight,
Speaker 2: but she can sure drink. Like I just love it.
Speaker 2: And it's like, but you did lose, And then I'm like,
Speaker 2: wait did she win? No, I'm wrong, Like I couldn't tell,
Speaker 2: but she lost. She got knocked out and they all
Speaker 2: got fucking wasted, and she goes to talk to the
Speaker 2: captain who is crying at her desk. So so then
Speaker 2: Benson goes, hey, I heard the you impressed the squad
Speaker 2: and she goes no, and then Benson goes, ouch, okay.
Speaker 2: So then she's like, did you start seeing predators everywhere
Speaker 2: when you started working? And she goes, yeah, it takes
Speaker 2: a little bit to like get used to what's up,
Speaker 2: but like, also there are predators everywhere, so like who knows?
Speaker 2: And so she fills her in on the main trainer
Speaker 2: and the young girl rushing out he was tying his
Speaker 2: sweatpants and the shoulder thing.
Speaker 3: It kept her up all night.
Speaker 2: Benson encourages her to trust her gut, so Cat and
Speaker 2: Benson goes to talk to Cammi and she loves him.
Speaker 2: She's like, that's the best coach, Like I give him
Speaker 2: credit for all the good things in my life. And
Speaker 2: then a grandma comes in and they call her missus Vegas.
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, is it just her mom? And
Speaker 2: I made up the grandma thing, like I don't.
Speaker 3: Know she called she called her grandma? Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then so then she tells them he is a
Speaker 2: good guy, like a father figure. He drives her home
Speaker 2: when they train late, and she's always so tired and
Speaker 2: goes straight to bed. And then she talks about the shoulder,
Speaker 2: and then dramatic music plays.
Speaker 1: And she but the grandma doesn't know anything about the shoulder.
Speaker 1: She's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Right now, that's what That's what I said by saying
Speaker 2: dramatic music plays? Ah yeah, did did nobody understand that?
Speaker 1: It's like, at this point, everything is telling us the
Speaker 1: shoulder is bullshit.
Speaker 2: No, the grandma says she has one hundred push ups
Speaker 2: every morning, so I would say the opposite. And then
Speaker 2: they asked Missus Vega to talk to Cammy about Romeo
Speaker 2: and her shoulders and hands over her business card.
Speaker 3: They're walking outside.
Speaker 2: I really love this shot, Like the buildings look super tall,
Speaker 2: So they're surrounded by three tall apartment buildings and lights
Speaker 2: coming in from like where they're walking towards, and it
Speaker 2: looks really cool. So Kat's like, all right, like let's
Speaker 2: go arrest him. She's like, okay, slow the fuck down,
Speaker 2: now we just dig deeper. Okay, Like who else can
Speaker 2: we talk to? So they go talk to a girl
Speaker 2: at the laundry and it's Esperanza and she says, oh,
Speaker 2: he touches me, but as a coach, like never in
Speaker 2: a creepy way. Don't even worry about it. She's like,
Speaker 2: I know you're SVU, but it's just not like that.
Speaker 2: Cammy is his favorite. She admits he has his favorites,
Speaker 2: but she thinks full trainer, not PERV. She says, if
Speaker 2: I notice anything, I will hit you up, like I
Speaker 2: want to protect all the girls too. She says, your
Speaker 2: eyes looking better, and she's and then Kat responds lucky
Speaker 2: punch a little trash shop, and Esperanza goes, nope, you know,
Speaker 2: Romeo actually told me you would come around with that
Speaker 2: big right, and you dropped your guard and he tells
Speaker 2: her no mercy whereas it exact words. Yeah, so damn
Speaker 2: he told Kat to throw the right and told her
Speaker 2: it was coming and set cat up. Bullshit, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: like was that a message? So they go back to
Speaker 2: the office and Caresy is being so creasy. He has
Speaker 2: supperware and his mom made ribolita soup. And usually, you know,
Speaker 2: Kara researches things she doesn't understand in the show, and
Speaker 2: I never do. But I did look up the soup.
Speaker 2: I did look up the soup. It's a Tuscan soup.
Speaker 2: It's a there's bread and veggies in it, so you
Speaker 2: usually make it with leftover minestrone soup and then you
Speaker 2: put stale bread in it to thicken it.
Speaker 3: It's like an.
Speaker 1: Old like classic like peasant soup. Yeah, because it's like
Speaker 1: all your leftovers. Yeah. So and he's like, take the soup.
Speaker 3: My mom made it.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because Benson tries not to take it, and
Speaker 2: it's like you not, bitch, like you think you're not
Speaker 2: gonna be well, you're gonna say no to a foreign
Speaker 2: woman soup, Like I don't understand what, Like, just take.
Speaker 1: It homemade Italian super come on, just take it. She
Speaker 1: doesn't want it, you know, she's too tough. She doesn't
Speaker 1: want to accept any like that. Nothing's wrong. You know,
Speaker 1: but she takes it.
Speaker 2: She scoffs, but she takes it, so they need it,
Speaker 2: Like the close captioning needs to find better words than scoffs.
Speaker 2: They use scoffs a lot, and that to me has
Speaker 2: a negative connotation. And her scoff was like chiller, but
Speaker 2: maybe stoff is more general and like I'm just reading
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: No, you're right because when people say, like, oh, like
Speaker 1: he scoffed at me when I asked him to do that, like,
Speaker 1: it always is negative when you read it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she was like touched annoyed a little, like
Speaker 2: she wasn't match, she wasn't scoffing.
Speaker 3: Like they need to find a new word. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: what is word when you just go okay, like you know,
Speaker 3: you just kind of do that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, if you're a linguist, hit us up,
Speaker 2: Do the noise again, do the noise again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, he says it's his mother. Okay, we got that.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that got Wait wait, I'm looking up synonyms for scoff.
Speaker 3: Hold on, wait, nobody uses these words. Well.
Speaker 1: Scoff when you look it up is to laugh at
Speaker 1: with contempt and derision. Yeah, but I think there is
Speaker 1: another way that is not a scoff.
Speaker 3: Maybe google what is scoff without negativity? What is a
Speaker 3: positive scoff? A positive scoff? What is what is a
Speaker 3: word for a friendly scoff? Okay, here we go a
Speaker 3: chortal tackle.
Speaker 1: Somebody said chuff that feels like it's from another country,
Speaker 1: a titter. This is not a Reddit thread, so it's
Speaker 1: not like this is linguist saying.
Speaker 2: One of the like big reviewers during Edinburgh for Comedy
Speaker 2: is chortle like, yes, like you know you want a
Speaker 2: good Chortal review.
Speaker 3: Yes, you definitely want to get caught.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what happens next after the soup, we're gonna
Speaker 1: find that we're gonna get to the bottom of the scoff.
Speaker 2: So the brainstorm session starts about the fighter. You know,
Speaker 2: she's not just like any old fighter. Lots of ards
Speaker 2: are discussing Cammy and missus Vega walk in uh oh,
Speaker 2: Benson talks to them. So Benson's like, okay, let's go
Speaker 2: walk somewhere more private. But like Cammy's fucking pissed. She's
Speaker 2: like Esperanza fucking grills me, Like that's why we're here,
Speaker 2: Like you need to get the truth for me, not
Speaker 2: from some jealous lies and like they don't even make
Speaker 2: it to the rooms. She's that mad, and she turns
Speaker 2: around and goes, actually, none of this is your business,
Speaker 2: but Romeo and I are in love. Dunt dunt dark music.
Speaker 2: Benson nods, it is we it is our business. It
Speaker 2: is our business. So the detectives make eyes. It truly,
Speaker 2: says Special Victims Unit, Like you couldn't have gone to
Speaker 2: a place where it's not like that. It's more their business.
Speaker 3: Yes, like get out of my diary bit.
Speaker 1: She's like, you can't know that you are sixteen and
Speaker 1: this man is looks what thirty something oh older?
Speaker 2: He looks like shit, sorry to the access, Sorry for
Speaker 2: this man, but I didn't mean to insult you.
Speaker 1: But like that like too, Yeah, this isn't like a
Speaker 1: sixteen out of twenty.
Speaker 2: This is us sixteen and forty four. Like he's had
Speaker 2: like he's had like a foot surgery.
Speaker 3: You know, he's out of foot surgery. He's that he's
Speaker 3: foot surgery or so.
Speaker 2: The Bama is so upset in shock, she's disgusted as fuck.
Speaker 2: They've been sleeping together for two years. She's only sixteen,
Speaker 2: which means rape, rape, rape, get him get him, and
Speaker 2: she goes, whatever, I know what I want and missus
Speaker 2: Vegas like show her your texts too, dumb bitch. So
Speaker 2: they go to pick Romeo up and Creasey is on
Speaker 2: it and he's like, I'll get the warrants, I'll get
Speaker 2: for the office, the phones, I'll get everything. So the
Speaker 2: cops enter the gym to pick him up, but Esperanza's
Speaker 2: already fighting him. She punches the shit out of him,
Speaker 2: he falls, he hits her his head, Kat pulls her back.
Speaker 2: There's a giant crowd all around them. The ambulance drives by,
Speaker 2: and now we're inside the ambulance with Romeo on the
Speaker 2: stretcher and Finn is sitting with him and he's like, damn,
Speaker 2: some chick knocked me out.
Speaker 3: Fuck I like that. Sorry. So then he asks why
Speaker 3: the fight and he says it's all bullshit. He brings
Speaker 3: up Cammy.
Speaker 2: Romeo laughs about them being in love, and then he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just a Mickey Mouse crush, like it's no big deal,
Speaker 2: and he goes, oh really. Finn's like, what about the
Speaker 2: sex thing and the fucking He screams immediately she's lying.
Speaker 2: He says, Kat set me up. The EMT says, this
Speaker 2: is my ambulance and you all need to shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up, and puts oxygen on the man. So they
Speaker 2: bring Esperanza into the precinct and she says, you weren't
Speaker 2: doing anything, so I had to do something. Kat stays outside.
Speaker 2: Obviously they they can't have her in there, so Rollin's
Speaker 2: and Benson are in wood room blinds with her, and
Speaker 2: she spilled it all. She's like, the texts were disgusting.
Speaker 2: She was only fourteen, I saw them. She says she
Speaker 2: didn't know, like Sprons is like no, no, no, there's
Speaker 2: no way I knew. Like he looked out for me,
Speaker 2: never cross the line, always treating me like a daughter.
Speaker 2: And then mister Morales's here, Esperanza's father, and it's the
Speaker 2: guy from the beginning, and Cat fills him in and
Speaker 2: he's like, wait, wait, wait, I should be in there,
Speaker 2: but she's not a miner, and he's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: but like send her a message, like tell her to
Speaker 2: wait for a lawyer, and that her dad said to
Speaker 2: zip it, you know. So she's spilling all the beans.
Speaker 2: Cat knocks and goes, your dad's here, and she goes
Speaker 2: Santos So She's like, he doesn't even need to be here.
Speaker 2: Benson goes, hey, babe, we're talking, so bye a cat
Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, and by the way, your dad
Speaker 2: wants you to stop talking and that you should wait
Speaker 2: for a lawyer. So Benson mouth mouth is like on
Speaker 2: the table, like it's a cartoon character.
Speaker 3: It's like bugs bunny with a crush. Yeah, like mouth
Speaker 3: hits the table and Shock can't even believe it, stands
Speaker 3: up pissed. Oh. Then girly as Speranza stands up pissed.
Speaker 3: Do I need a lawyer?
Speaker 2: And Rollins goes, well, if he presses charges and she screams,
Speaker 2: he's a rapist, and Benson takes to me now and
Speaker 2: goes and she goes, I know I screwed up, but
Speaker 2: her dad's upset and I want to help everyone, and
Speaker 2: Benson goes, you are way too close and you need
Speaker 2: to be objective, and she calls around, goes, you get
Speaker 2: too close all the time, and she goes, yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: and it's a fucking problem. And my old captain rest
Speaker 2: in peace. I guess. Craigan used to say, if you're
Speaker 2: too close to a case, you're not helping the victim.
Speaker 2: It's like Cragan's never said that. Kat goes, well, what
Speaker 2: are we gonna do? We need to help, Like, when
Speaker 2: are we arraigning this guy? When are we arraigning Romeo?
Speaker 2: And it's like he's in the hospital and hit his head.
Speaker 2: Kat goes, fuck that he's faking injury to buy time.
Speaker 2: I don't buy it. Benson goes, Okay, I'll pass that
Speaker 2: on to Creesy. So we're at Laguardi a hospital. He
Speaker 2: is handcuffed to the bed arraigning and the raiment's going on.
Speaker 2: So the judge's there and his lawyers and Cat and
Speaker 2: I fucking love a fucking hospital arrayment.
Speaker 3: I am obsessed with the scene. I used to have
Speaker 3: a different No.
Speaker 2: I still want to hopefully book a part where I
Speaker 2: can get carried out of the courtroom after trying to
Speaker 2: run to the witness stand. But I think doing a
Speaker 2: hospital arrangment that's fun.
Speaker 3: In the second place, also fun. Yeah, And the judge
Speaker 3: even goes, is everyone cozy?
Speaker 2: I mean they? I love it. So he's pleading not guilty.
Speaker 2: The bail said twenty grands. I did write twenty dollars,
Speaker 2: but I did twenty grand. They want to protective order
Speaker 2: as well to keep them away from the gym, to
Speaker 2: protect the girls, the defense, blah blah blah. But they
Speaker 2: grant the gym thing the twenty K veil and he
Speaker 2: needs to surrender his passport cat and Creasy walk away
Speaker 2: and Cammy is like, does not want to testify. She
Speaker 2: loves this guy. Cariese says a call her is a
Speaker 2: hostile witness, like whatever, but you keep working on her.
Speaker 2: Then uh oh, beppep bepepep Romeo is down bad under
Speaker 2: He's dead. So Esperanza needs a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Not good. Things went south real quick with the old woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he was like giggling and making jokes during
Speaker 2: the arraignment, Like I can't believe how fast this happens.
Speaker 2: Careese's like, tell her now, Esperanza needs a lawyer. They're
Speaker 2: on her side. So he died from a brain bleed
Speaker 2: moments outside, like they should have known. But so they're
Speaker 2: trying to blame like the arraiment stressed him out that
Speaker 2: his brain bled whatever. Robin's and Chris, you're talking to
Speaker 2: Hadid who I think we like? We end up hating her,
Speaker 2: like she's a dumb bitch, right, Yeah, she's the worst.
Speaker 2: I don't like, So they are discussing the case and
Speaker 2: she goes, fuck rape to murder and they're like, well, no,
Speaker 2: we like Esperanza and she goes, well, I don't care,
Speaker 2: but she's a trained boxer, so man too. And they're like, no,
Speaker 2: that's fifteen years. She goes, yeah, terrible, pep, that's what's happening.
Speaker 3: Like she sucks. So they go talk to her.
Speaker 2: They're in cement room bars this time she's in Adida's
Speaker 2: tracksuit and she goes, this is not how my story
Speaker 2: is supposed to go. I'm supposed to rise above the narrative,
Speaker 2: like I'm not supposed to live this life, and I'm
Speaker 2: here for assaulting a fucking rapist. And they reveal that
Speaker 2: he's dead. So she's stunned. She's scared. She didn't mean
Speaker 2: to her eyes are watering. They tell her she's getting
Speaker 2: a manslaughter charge. She says it's an accident. Benson says
Speaker 2: it might not matter. Benson leans in and asks if
Speaker 2: Romeo did anything to her. She goes, no, never, and
Speaker 2: Benson's voice is really soft. She's caring at this moment,
Speaker 2: and she says she doesn't want anything from her father
Speaker 2: because they're like, you know, your father says, she'll get here,
Speaker 2: they'll get you a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Your father will do this.
Speaker 2: She's like, I do not fuck with my father, Like
Speaker 2: get the fuck, Like, don't ever say his name to me.
Speaker 2: Benson walks away slowly over to her and goes, are
Speaker 2: you sure there's nothing that you can remember that would
Speaker 2: this turned this into self defense? She starts to cry
Speaker 2: like obviously she's hiding something and there's like a lot
Speaker 2: of weight behind everything. And then Cat and Benson go
Speaker 2: to the spy window and they also know she's hiding something,
Speaker 2: so they decide to talk to the dozens of witnesses
Speaker 2: that were there that saw the punch out happen. So
Speaker 2: they're at the street memorial for Romeo, and so some
Speaker 2: people do know the molestations, some don't. I'm not really
Speaker 2: sure what the community vibe is. They're talking to another
Speaker 2: fighter and she's like, we're family here and now we're
Speaker 2: broken and I don't know who to believe. And they're like,
Speaker 2: just tell us what you saw, and she says, Esperanza
Speaker 2: came in hyped up. They started arguing, she heard stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, he said, you're jealous and she punched him.
Speaker 2: But this woman says if Esperanza hit him, that was
Speaker 2: for a reason, like she wouldn't just be punching people.
Speaker 2: So now Kat's talking to another woman who's like, I
Speaker 2: can't take sides, and Kat's like, well, what will you
Speaker 2: tell her when she's in prison for fifteen years? And
Speaker 2: she did hear them get into something, and she's wrapping
Speaker 2: a young fighter's hand and it's like, send the child away,
Speaker 2: but she's like, I went over to break up the fight.
Speaker 2: And they're like, but what was the fight about? And
Speaker 2: I guess he leaned into her ear and called her
Speaker 2: damaged goods, so she slugged him, and then Kat asks like,
Speaker 2: be straight with me looking back, did you ever see
Speaker 2: something not right with him?
Speaker 3: And Cammy?
Speaker 2: And she goes it doesn't matter. At the end of
Speaker 2: the day, no matter what will always be known as
Speaker 2: that men make a mess and women have to clean
Speaker 2: it up. And she like walks through the empty gym.
Speaker 2: So back to the girl brainstorm at the office and
Speaker 2: Creasy and Finn. It's actually everybody and they're both in
Speaker 2: full suits and Finn looks like he's going to a
Speaker 2: wedding and is like a groomsman. He is wearing a
Speaker 2: blue silk shirt with an exact color matching blue silk tie.
Speaker 2: It is a very strange look. I feel like he
Speaker 2: has plans after work, so Baylis said at ten grand
Speaker 2: and Kat goes against a direct order to stay away
Speaker 2: from her without a lawyer as an and is immediately
Speaker 2: they're like, do not go see her without a lawyer.
Speaker 2: She's in a room with her at rikers immediately. I
Speaker 2: just love how little they ever follow directions.
Speaker 3: They don't ever listen.
Speaker 2: She says Romeo is like a father to her, like
Speaker 2: it sucks, and Kat's like, well, you have a father,
Speaker 2: and she goes leave him out and like and she
Speaker 2: tells Kat to leave, and she doesn't want to talk
Speaker 2: about it. She tries to walk off, but Kat's like, babe,
Speaker 2: it's fifteen years so she will, you know, never go
Speaker 2: to jail for a man. So she walks back and
Speaker 2: says Romeo never touched me. And Kat asks why he
Speaker 2: called her damaged goods. She's like, fuck, people heard that,
Speaker 2: and she says not everybody, and Kat goes, but what
Speaker 2: she doesn't want to say. She's struggling to even put
Speaker 2: the words together. Kat obviously guesses it's the father of
Speaker 2: Santos and she and don't you ever mention that man
Speaker 2: to me again? And she leaves, so Kat's like, fuck,
Speaker 2: what do I do now? And then back at work,
Speaker 2: she's confessing to Benson and Creasy that she talked to her,
Speaker 2: but as a friend, not a cop. Cariesy is fuming,
Speaker 2: I've never seen him this mad ever, and like hand
Speaker 2: in her face, Staten Island vibes, oh, you went to
Speaker 2: Rikers after she invoked.
Speaker 3: Like it is ha ha. I love that he's so pissed.
Speaker 2: You went to Rikers after she invoked, like he is pissed.
Speaker 2: They argue back and forth. Benson's being calm, She's being
Speaker 2: quite kind to Kat in this moment. The fight ends
Speaker 2: with Paresi going okay, I guess just a little probative,
Speaker 2: like it's ha ha ha and so but and then
Speaker 2: he goes, maybe you should be talking to her defense attorney,
Speaker 2: not me, and he tells her to not go back
Speaker 2: to Rikers without a lawyer and storms off, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'll go take a run at Santo's and Benson's like, girl,
Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere. You cannot be trusted and you
Speaker 2: cannot do anything without me. You are benched Rollins and
Speaker 2: Finn go to talk to Daddy Pedophile and he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: my daughter's an angry person. She lashes out at people
Speaker 2: who fail her. You know, it happens. And Finn asks
Speaker 2: if she has always been that way, and he blames
Speaker 2: her mother for leaving when she was ten years old
Speaker 2: for all her problems, and they're like, wow, she had
Speaker 2: a dad, so you obviously flop too, right, and you
Speaker 2: don't seem tight, so that's weird. And he goes, I
Speaker 2: gave her everything, ballet, gymnastics, boxing, I bust my ass
Speaker 2: so she can have the success I didn't have, and
Speaker 2: still she pushed me away. Finn plays like a deadbeat
Speaker 2: connection game, you know, trying to like rile them up,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's like when they pretend to be
Speaker 2: in cells and Rollins goes, or maybe you got too close,
Speaker 2: and he goes, what and you could tell he gets
Speaker 2: nervous and like knows exactly what the fuck she's saying,
Speaker 2: but the detectives you don't really have to say anything.
Speaker 2: And he leans in and says, I was a good
Speaker 2: father and I did everything for my two girls, and
Speaker 2: it's like, excuse me, ding ding ding, there's a sister
Speaker 2: had what's going on? He goes, yeah, she hooked. I
Speaker 2: tried to save her. Now I've lost both my girls.
Speaker 2: So one's a boxer, one's a junkie. Like obviously it's
Speaker 2: this man's fault. So Esperanza, her lawyer, Benson and Cat
Speaker 2: are chatting and they're trying to save her.
Speaker 3: Tell your story.
Speaker 2: It doesn't define you, Benson says, and Kat says, it
Speaker 2: also doesn't have to leave this room. So he would whisp.
Speaker 2: So he would climb into her bed whisper Jesus as
Speaker 2: he like went in there. And he was a mean
Speaker 2: drunk when she was little, and she would hear his
Speaker 2: footsteps and she just knew what was happening, and he
Speaker 2: would hold her down and rape her, and eventually she
Speaker 2: like stopped fighting back and that was that. And they
Speaker 2: asked how Romeo knew, and it's because she came into
Speaker 2: box to protect herself and he looked at Santos and
Speaker 2: knew exactly why. So from the beginning he knew that,
Speaker 2: like she needed to fight to like stop molestation. So
Speaker 2: when she confronted him about Cammy, he's like, you're fucking jealous.
Speaker 2: I would never want your poppies, sloppy seconds.
Speaker 4: Fucked such a fun Benson Benson's bit, so she wants
Speaker 4: to swing it on his ass too, like she truly,
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So then Kat is like yeah, Kat is stunned. She
Speaker 2: says she should have known and protected Cammy, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 2: and like, you know how you should have protected your sister.
Speaker 3: She looks up. She's like, oh my god, my sister.
Speaker 2: You talk to her and they're confused that she's alive
Speaker 2: because Santos made it seem like she's dead, but she
Speaker 2: as of two years ago, she was out. She's alive
Speaker 2: in panhandling outside of port authority. So they find her
Speaker 2: at Tompkins Renewal Shelter and Finn and Kat go to
Speaker 2: find her there to talk about her sister, and immediately
Speaker 2: she goes, espie is she in trouble? I heard she's
Speaker 2: in trouble. And they're like, well, we're hoping you can
Speaker 2: help us, like help her, like, so they explain the situation.
Speaker 2: She's upset and she goes, well, yeah, that's why she
Speaker 2: boxed to protect us, and Kat's like, well, come on, like,
Speaker 2: let's help your sister. We'll talk to the d ada
Speaker 2: and she agrees to do that, but she goes, but
Speaker 2: my sister's good at boxing, so she has to pay me,
Speaker 2: Like how much money are you gonna give me?
Speaker 3: And it's also like are you de Lulu? Like you
Speaker 3: think she's like rolling in the dough?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, crazy, but I guess you know she's on
Speaker 2: the street, So what's rolling in the dough? So giant
Speaker 2: marble hall walk and talk, it's a really gorgeous location.
Speaker 3: It's the whole team in Creasey.
Speaker 2: He's like, fuck, so she's only gonna help her sister
Speaker 2: if she gets paid, and it's like, yeah, it is
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 3: SPI's too ashamed. We need to arrest him, Like what
Speaker 3: are we gonna do?
Speaker 2: And Hadid goes, okay, you're right, but we're not gonna
Speaker 2: and then she just walks off like we're at Rikers
Speaker 2: and it's Santo's visiting through the glass and he's menacing,
Speaker 2: like this is scary, and then he goes, oh to
Speaker 2: see my own kid, I have to sit through glass
Speaker 2: and she says, you're You're lucky I'm even talking to
Speaker 2: you at all. He sighs and goes, your sister calls
Speaker 2: me and she's like super nervous that you're gonna run
Speaker 2: your mouth, and Spi responds, she is, or you are,
Speaker 2: and guess what they're spying. We're spying. We're taping, we're spying. Okay,
Speaker 2: So Coreesi and Captain Benson our hands on deck and
Speaker 2: there's a tech there everything, and he's about to hang
Speaker 2: up and it kills her, like but she has to
Speaker 2: a like she hates him, does not want to talk
Speaker 2: to him, but needs him because obviously a spy window
Speaker 2: and we need him to confess. So and this actress
Speaker 2: is incredible. It's like she needs him there, doesn't want him.
Speaker 2: There has to beg him, like crying on the inside,
Speaker 2: like it's fucking wild. So she's like, okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: And so she's like, you want me to keep my
Speaker 2: mouth shut?
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: But my lawyer says, the only way I don't go
Speaker 2: to jail forever is by telling people what you did.
Speaker 2: And she cries and says, you should have never touched me,
Speaker 2: and he isn't saying anything incriminating yet, and she presses
Speaker 2: like you suck and you're only here so people don't
Speaker 2: know you're the worst, Like you never took care of me.
Speaker 2: Screwing your daughters. How can you do that to me?
Speaker 2: And she cries and he says, finally, I couldn't help it.
Speaker 2: After your mommy left, you were all I had. Puke, puke, puke.
Speaker 2: He says, it's not my fault. She cries, oh, right,
Speaker 2: because it's my fault.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: You always said it was my fault because I was beautiful,
Speaker 2: that I was teasing you, and he goes, I raised
Speaker 2: you alone and I had needs and she says, you
Speaker 2: raped me, and he says, do you hear yourself? What
Speaker 2: man would want you after you say that on the stand.
Speaker 2: And she says, how can you say that you took
Speaker 2: everything from me? My childhood, my sister, my career. I
Speaker 2: was almost out. I was a fighter and I was
Speaker 2: a damn good one and I had a chance, and
Speaker 2: now I'm stuck in this hell hole. This actress is incredible,
Speaker 2: and she starts banging the glass with the phone and
Speaker 2: starts climbing onto the glass like truly trying to fucking
Speaker 2: kill this guy. And then she's screaming and I'm stuck
Speaker 2: here because of you. You took everything from me. Get
Speaker 2: out and screaming, and then a cop is dragging her away.
Speaker 2: She's sobbing. He sits there and he's panting, and she
Speaker 2: walks in with bandages on her hands. Later, like she
Speaker 2: beat the glass and the whole team's like, you killed it, girl,
Speaker 2: you did it. And she goes, then why do I
Speaker 2: feel like I lost? And Benson goes, trust me, you didn't.
Speaker 2: The hard part is over. You're still standing and we're
Speaker 2: going to give you assault too. That's only two years. Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: can I just say something really quick? This actress is
Speaker 2: named Manny.
Speaker 1: Perez and I am seeing like a Reddit thread where
Speaker 1: she's a big voice in GTA. I think and I
Speaker 1: think that these fucking game boys like like bullied her
Speaker 1: off the internet. Like she used to have an Instagram
Speaker 1: and she took it down because probably of all these creeps, so.
Speaker 2: That a woman can't even do a voice on a game, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how mad they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, truly, because she did.
Speaker 1: I don't think she has like any I mean, there's
Speaker 1: an Instagram account up that looks like a bot account
Speaker 1: with no posts that has fifty eight thousand followers. That's her,
Speaker 1: but like it's that's that's her name, but it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah crazy anyway, just reminded me of that game, the
Speaker 1: lowest rated SVU episode of all time on IMDb because
Speaker 1: of these fucking in cells.
Speaker 2: So now it cuts to Santo's and he's trying to
Speaker 2: buy off the sister and he's like buying her things
Speaker 2: at the bodega, and he's like, you're awesome, not like
Speaker 2: your sister, Like you got over it. She's so fucking annoying.
Speaker 2: But guess who's right outside. It's the daughter helped the
Speaker 2: daughter helped the other daughter, the sisters. The sisters are
Speaker 2: doing it for themselves together, and they got him. So
Speaker 2: she spits on him and goes, I hope you die
Speaker 2: in prison. And she also tells Kat like she and
Speaker 2: don't no one needs to pay me. I don't need
Speaker 2: the money. Tell her to give the money back, like
Speaker 2: fuck this, and Graciella just runs off crying, all right, why.
Speaker 3: Is Kat fucking paying witnesses.
Speaker 1: You can't do that or like paying people to do
Speaker 1: shit that is gonna make the whole thing invalid.
Speaker 3: Well, she's just give me the money back. I know,
Speaker 3: but nobody learns their goddamn lessons.
Speaker 2: Morales is punching in the gym in the prison, but
Speaker 2: she has visitors, and her prison outfit is fire like,
Speaker 2: she looks fucking awesome. Her sweatpants are so cool, they
Speaker 2: fit her really well. And Cat's there and it's Grassiella,
Speaker 2: my god, and they hug and they say sorry, it's
Speaker 2: so emotional, and I actually cried. I did start to cry.
Speaker 2: It's like a very emotional moment. And then they think
Speaker 2: Cat Cat smiles and that stickwolf baby.
Speaker 1: Oh tough, tough, fucking episode. But and we got to
Speaker 1: get some help to Cammi too. Let's get some help
Speaker 1: over to Cammy who thinks she was in love with her.
Speaker 1: Train is going to get her some therapy molesting her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was some stuff written that this maybe is about
Speaker 1: like the one punch loophole where, which is I know
Speaker 1: something Liza likes to talk about from con Air, Right,
Speaker 1: the con Air rule.
Speaker 3: Yes, the Conair rule.
Speaker 1: So like that if a person punches another person and
Speaker 1: it results in their death, but the assailant did not
Speaker 1: specifically intend to kill them, prosecutors may struggle to provide
Speaker 1: felony man to prove felony manslaughter, which leads usually to
Speaker 1: lower misdemeanor charges.
Speaker 3: Oh that's not.
Speaker 2: Actually what the what the Conair rule is the conair
Speaker 2: rule is that like you have your special like if
Speaker 2: you're a professional boxer or like you're in the military,
Speaker 2: like your your body is a big weapon.
Speaker 3: So like if you're a profusing your fists as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you're especially trained to murder and you
Speaker 2: murder like you're a weapon. So that's not oh not
Speaker 2: just any random person can oh okay the punch.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit different because there's like it's
Speaker 1: like there's like a one punch rule. There's a one
Speaker 1: punch thing, and then there's a sucker punch thing like
Speaker 1: cause I think that's a little bit different than sucker
Speaker 1: punching someone.
Speaker 3: But essentially what happened.
Speaker 1: Was there were in the years leading up to this episode,
Speaker 1: like in like I would say a lot of the
Speaker 1: twenty tens, there were a lot of incidences of one
Speaker 1: punch deaths happening. And I mean, honestly, one happened at
Speaker 1: my college in like two thousand or ninety nine. Actually
Speaker 1: a freshman came on campus and got into a fight
Speaker 1: with someone who had come to a party. Didn't even
Speaker 1: go one punch. The kid landed on his head the
Speaker 1: wrong way and he died. It was his first week
Speaker 1: at college, so terrible. This, Yeah, it was like off.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know him. I wasn't even at
Speaker 1: school yet because the freshman get there before people. So
Speaker 1: it like it was really really fucking crazy. But I've
Speaker 1: like heard stories like but I guess a lot of
Speaker 1: them were coming out in the news in New York
Speaker 1: specifically leading up to this episode. So I'll talk about one.
Speaker 1: A guy named I guess it's a Hungarian name, much
Speaker 1: like Marishka. His name is spelled sa Ndo, but it's
Speaker 1: pronounced shandor Shandor. Zabo had just left his sister's wedding
Speaker 1: in Queen's in August of twenty eighteen. He was drunk,
Speaker 1: his phone was dead, and he was looking for an
Speaker 1: uber that he had apparently called or someone had called
Speaker 1: for him, and security camera footage shows him like throwing
Speaker 1: his jacket on the ground trying to pull a mailbox
Speaker 1: out of the sidewalk. Like the guy's kind of wasted
Speaker 1: and belligerent, and I guess he's like tapping on cars
Speaker 1: that he thinks for his uber. And this guy, Jamil Jones,
Speaker 1: who is from who is living in North Carolina. He's
Speaker 1: an assistant coach for Wake Forest basketball. Wake Forest is
Speaker 1: where my brother went to college. And he was driving
Speaker 1: with his fiance in a white BMW and apparently this
Speaker 1: guy I read a couple of different conflicting things. One
Speaker 1: was that this guy uh smacked like he saw the
Speaker 1: guy acting crazy, and then this guy smashed on the
Speaker 1: back of their car. Some reports just say he smacked
Speaker 1: on the car. Others say that he actually broke the
Speaker 1: winch the back windshield that the like, that's how Actually,
Speaker 1: Jimiel Jones actually testified in court later saying that he
Speaker 1: broke the back windshield and so he said that he
Speaker 1: heard a loud boom and that the weird real windshield
Speaker 1: of the car was smashed in, and that his fiance
Speaker 1: like had her head in her lap and was crying.
Speaker 1: And Jones said that that the drunk guy Zabo came
Speaker 1: up to her side of the car, like the passenger
Speaker 1: side and laughed like a he haw.
Speaker 3: That's what I read on the article. Like I don't
Speaker 3: know if.
Speaker 1: It was like a yippie kaye, motherfucker he haw or whatever.
Speaker 1: But so then Jones was like, oh, I got to
Speaker 1: get this guy away from my fiance or from whatever
Speaker 1: he's so he chased him and punched him in the face.
Speaker 1: He claims that this guy, Zabo, had a fist raised
Speaker 1: at him, but other reports and camera footage say that
Speaker 1: the guy was actually backing away from him.
Speaker 3: So but after the punch hits.
Speaker 1: After the punch, Zabo hit the sidewalk and Jones and
Speaker 1: his fiance left the scene. When they circled back, they
Speaker 1: said they saw the man propped up against a car
Speaker 1: and other people helping him, so they like assumed he
Speaker 1: was all right. But he was not all right, and
Speaker 1: he actually suffered a traumatic brain injury and was brain dead,
Speaker 1: and four days after the punch he was taken off
Speaker 1: life support. After his organs were donated, Jones turned himself
Speaker 1: into the police. He had already like I think he
Speaker 1: had already returned to North Carolina, but he had. He
Speaker 1: returned to New York and turned himself in. He had
Speaker 1: zero and he said he's never even had a drink
Speaker 1: in his entire life.
Speaker 2: And I like that the victim has proved something good.
Speaker 2: And to me, I'm like, well, then you belong in jail.
Speaker 3: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: It was just like everybody was like testifying that this
Speaker 1: is a good man and so was the man who died.
Speaker 1: Like everyone in the articles is like they're both great guys,
Speaker 1: Like this is like a tragedy that like nobody was
Speaker 1: really trying to commit any crimes.
Speaker 3: It feels like.
Speaker 1: Zabo's mother, Donna Kent, was trying to fight New York
Speaker 1: City because they treat one punch deaths as third degree assaults,
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor crime. So it's actually the opposite of what
Speaker 1: happens in the episode is that it has a max
Speaker 1: penalty of one year. So what's interesting is like Hadid
Speaker 1: is giving her this manslaughter and stuff, but that's actually
Speaker 1: what they're saying. This loophole with one punch crimes is
Speaker 1: that it's really hard to prove manslaughter when you only
Speaker 1: punched one time in an act of passion, like you know,
Speaker 1: not premeditated. So it is kind of wild that Hadid's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, we're giving her manslaughter, Like that's going to
Speaker 1: be so easy.
Speaker 2: Well, because I think she's the conair. She's a professional boxer.
Speaker 2: That's what Hadid said. Oh, okay, so that's the con airy. Okay,
Speaker 2: because she's a boxer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she basically treated her body as a weapon, and.
Speaker 3: So the mother of the deceased was pissed.
Speaker 1: Yes, the mother decease was pissed. She thinks these assault
Speaker 1: should be treated as homicides. In twenty twenty, Jones actually
Speaker 1: did go to court and he was sentenced to three
Speaker 1: years of probation, fifteen hundred hours of community service, and
Speaker 1: a one thousand dollars fine. So he never actually saw
Speaker 1: any jail time, but he did. By the way, one
Speaker 1: article I read said that his team of lawyers, like
Speaker 1: that are the whole like all this whole team of
Speaker 1: lawyers could not find his fiancee, Like they never were
Speaker 1: able to find her to question her.
Speaker 3: So like I don't even know what happened.
Speaker 1: But one article was like they could never question the
Speaker 1: fiance because she's a witness to what happened. But they
Speaker 1: you know, but there are as people on the street
Speaker 1: that witnessed the whole thing too. So anyway, this past
Speaker 1: September actually of twenty twenty five, Donna Kent, the mother
Speaker 1: of the victim, was awarded a total of and I'm
Speaker 1: going to read this because I've never seen such a
Speaker 1: precise judgment given one million, three hundred and fifty five,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and ninety five dollars and sixteen cents.
Speaker 3: I don't know how they came up with.
Speaker 1: That number, but that is the month that she was
Speaker 1: awarded in a civil suit against Jones, and the mother
Speaker 1: originally tried to sue the college to wake Forest, which
Speaker 1: has deep pockets, and there was like they were like,
Speaker 1: there's no proof. This has nothing to do with wake Forest.
Speaker 1: He was like a coach for our team who lives
Speaker 1: who was in another state. So they dropped the wake
Speaker 1: Forest part. But this guy has to pay out, but
Speaker 1: he lost his job. He's like, I lost my job,
Speaker 1: I lost my family, I've lost like everything from this.
Speaker 1: But what the civil court found in their judgment was that,
Speaker 1: you know, he stopped his car in order to interact
Speaker 1: with this man. He got out of his car with
Speaker 1: the attempt to cause him harm when he could have
Speaker 1: just driven away.
Speaker 3: So you know.
Speaker 1: But there was a one punch law that was introduced
Speaker 1: as the result of the following crime in June of
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. So a few years before this even thing happened,
Speaker 1: was Zabo and Jones. A guy named Ildefonso Romero Junior,
Speaker 1: a fifty nine year old father of five who was
Speaker 1: about to celebrate his thirty fourth wedding anniversary. Was trying
Speaker 1: to break up a fight in front of his house
Speaker 1: in the Bronx when a seventeen year old punched him
Speaker 1: and he fell and hit his head on the steal
Speaker 1: part of the sidewalk, which ended up killing him. The
Speaker 1: seventeen year old attacker got just five months because the
Speaker 1: court could only charge the attack as a.
Speaker 3: Misdemis law and it's even passed.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, so his family is heartbroken. So
Speaker 1: in June of twenty seventeen, the New York State Senate
Speaker 1: passed the Ildefonso Romero Junior's Law, which was sponsored by
Speaker 1: Senator Jeff Klein, a Democrat from the Bronx Westchester area,
Speaker 1: and the law would create a new felony charge for
Speaker 1: an aggravated assault that results in serious injury or death,
Speaker 1: also known as the one punch bill, ill defonse or
Speaker 1: Romero Junior's Law allows prosecutors to charge it convict perpetrators
Speaker 1: who use their fists as deadly weapons. It's a new
Speaker 1: class efelony that carries a maximum prison term of four years.
Speaker 1: So the laws show them from the thing or both
Speaker 1: exist some configured So that's where I'm going to get to.
Speaker 1: So this this comes off the heels of all these
Speaker 1: police reports talking about one punch crimes like they're on
Speaker 1: the rise, and that the videos are popping up on
Speaker 1: the internet online they're showing people how to land a
Speaker 1: one punch and how to sucker punch people and shit
Speaker 1: like that. So that's why they did all this and
Speaker 1: all these cases. And I honestly read about a bunch
Speaker 1: more cases, but I didn't want to just go through
Speaker 1: and just tell you about all these people that died
Speaker 1: from one punch. But honestly, the bill was passed, but
Speaker 1: it never became law, and I tried to find out
Speaker 1: what happened to it, but it was passes a bill
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, and then I don't know with like
Speaker 1: COVID three years later, Like I have no idea why
Speaker 1: this didn't like go on to become passed as a law,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't. So it's still in New York at
Speaker 1: least is still a.
Speaker 3: Misdemeanor with a max of one year. So yeah. And
Speaker 3: then another.
Speaker 1: Case that this episode was based on is the Lloyd
Speaker 1: Woodbury case, which might sound familiar to you because I
Speaker 1: was halfway through recent sarching it when I actually pulled
Speaker 1: up an episode of our podcast because we actually have
Speaker 1: already covered it, but Lisa researched it and it was
Speaker 1: in the episode A Single Life, So essentially, just.
Speaker 3: Like a quick recap of it.
Speaker 1: Was like in the late fifties, this ten year old
Speaker 1: little girl named Loretta Woodbury was basically was raped by
Speaker 1: her father for seven years, and he told her it
Speaker 1: was like a special thing that fathers and daughters did,
Speaker 1: demanded she never tell anyone. She it's funny because the
Speaker 1: case has been featured in a bunch of episodes about
Speaker 1: repressed memory. But she's like, I didn't repress the memory.
Speaker 1: I just like didn't want to confront my father. And
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, in her late thirties, she after psychological counseling,
Speaker 1: she decided it was time to talk. She said, I
Speaker 1: could no longer pretend nothing had happened. It was just
Speaker 1: time to do it. She spoke with her father, she
Speaker 1: spoke with friends and authorities, and then she contacted Wyoming
Speaker 1: authorities in nineteen ninety and requested that they prosecute her father,
Speaker 1: Lloyd Calvin Woodbury, because even though she's from the la area,
Speaker 1: she's from the valley she called authorities in Wyoming because
Speaker 1: they are a state that has no statute of limitations
Speaker 1: on criminal cases. And he was charged in August of
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety with five felony sexual abuse counts in connection
Speaker 1: with assaults on the Retta, her cousin, and a third
Speaker 1: girl who was also a niece of his, whose case
Speaker 1: came to light as the Wyoming authorities began to investigate,
Speaker 1: and in November of nineteen ninety in Wyoming, the seventy
Speaker 1: three year old father pled guilty to charges of raping
Speaker 1: his daughter and her cousin three decades earlier, and they
Speaker 1: Wyoming said it was the oldest sexual assault conviction in
Speaker 1: the state's history.
Speaker 3: I was confused that they could even do that.
Speaker 1: Unless one of the crimes took place in Wyoming, or
Speaker 1: maybe it was where the father was living at the time.
Speaker 1: I was a little confused, and I stopped my research
Speaker 1: since it was repetitive. But it sounded a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: like the story, like the abuse started at ten, just
Speaker 1: like with Esperanza, the two like the sister and the cousin,
Speaker 1: the two sisters, So it seems loosely base but then
Speaker 1: also kind of juiced up with this one. Punch thing,
Speaker 1: which I didn't even really hear about. I was living
Speaker 1: in New York in the tens for a lot of them,
Speaker 1: and I don't remember hearing about there being like a
Speaker 1: big rise in that. But it is really scary. It's
Speaker 1: like something to think about. If you go to punch
Speaker 1: a person, you might just think I'm landing one punch,
Speaker 1: but you can literally kill someone with one punch.
Speaker 3: H It's precious.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So that's that on that a shorty today, and.
Speaker 3: And then you want to know more about that crime,
Speaker 3: you can rewatch that.
Speaker 1: You can go back to a single a single life
Speaker 1: season one episode that we covered a few episodes back,
Speaker 1: I think, like last summer. But yeah, we don't have
Speaker 1: a guest today, so let's just move on to the
Speaker 1: post mortem.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I now am like, can any coaches be trusted? We
Speaker 1: can't do closed door meetings with a coach. I'm nervous
Speaker 1: about coaches or any kind of.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just you were more of an athlete than I was.
Speaker 1: I only ever had female coaches. I know it was
Speaker 1: the dad, but the guy.
Speaker 3: It's all of them.
Speaker 2: The professions don't matter, but it's always just like if
Speaker 2: there's power. Yeah, there's a kid and a kid and
Speaker 2: an opportunity.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they're just pedophiles, I guess, just waiting like
Speaker 3: women are Karen's and men are pedophiles, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: and you gotta keep it in check.
Speaker 1: And I think we are actually asking to see the
Speaker 1: manager is really nothing in comparison, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we're killing it as a gender. But yeah, this, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean also though, I feel like the thing I
Speaker 1: take away from this is, like I mentioned in the thing,
Speaker 1: like this guy that I went to school with, I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't know him, he was a freshman, it
Speaker 1: was his first week at college. Just got hit one
Speaker 1: time and landed on the pavement the wrong way. It's like,
Speaker 1: why I'm just like no fighting, like no punching or
Speaker 1: violence because I always just think, even though you might
Speaker 1: just think you're punching someone one time to like send
Speaker 1: a message, you could fucking kill someone.
Speaker 2: It makes me nervous. No, I don't like fights. Everything
Speaker 2: can change in a minute. I don't like little pranks.
Speaker 2: Don't push anyone in.
Speaker 1: A pool, like yeah, I our brains are just squishy,
Speaker 1: little squishy, little vulnerable blobs in there, and I just
Speaker 1: don't want anyone.
Speaker 3: To fucking I don't know. But anyway, I feel like.
Speaker 2: Well, we're done, We're done. Don't do sports. Don't be
Speaker 2: around men, I don't know. Don't do sports, stay away
Speaker 2: for men.
Speaker 3: Uh sports? Do sports?
Speaker 2: Fight the When someone does a crime against you, it's
Speaker 2: not on you, Like you shouldn't have to bear the shame.
Speaker 2: And it sucks that our society makes it easier for
Speaker 2: predators to survive and than survivors to come forward.
Speaker 1: I also feel like this episode taught me that even
Speaker 1: though I really like boxing, I never want to get
Speaker 1: as far as cat to mean is in boxing, Like
Speaker 1: I don't need to be at the competitive I don't
Speaker 1: have even ever want to wear the ear things like
Speaker 1: the little like head wrap thing.
Speaker 3: I'm just I want to smack smash a bag. That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it for me, and then I'm out. But also
Speaker 3: I'm on the road.
Speaker 2: I'm in Vegas, I'm in la I'm in Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2: I'll be in La Jolla and Cleveland and Peetown. I
Speaker 2: can't wait. Oh my god, my god.
Speaker 3: Wait.
Speaker 2: I had my hair appointment and you know, she is
Speaker 2: a reader, and she goes you know, I was remembering
Speaker 2: when you first started coming to me, and I think
Speaker 2: this was like over a decade ago. She goes, I
Speaker 2: did keep asking you every time you came in what
Speaker 2: books you read? And she goes, you did flip out
Speaker 2: on me and go why do you keep asking me
Speaker 2: that I don't read books? And she like remembers that
Speaker 2: I was like I said that, like, I guess that
Speaker 2: is how I speak. But it's like crazy and how
Speaker 2: the tides have turned.
Speaker 1: Now you're just literally I mean, I'm always scared that
Speaker 1: everything's going to end at every moment, but I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: with it right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: Have you been watching the press about Rachel dratch Up
Speaker 2: from Jeopardy? No, so, I guess you know she did
Speaker 2: Jeopardy probably Celebrity Jeopardy. And while she was getting her
Speaker 2: hair done, the guy's like, did you study like the hairdresser?
Speaker 2: She goes, no, not really, I don't know, like whatever,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I don't know, you're not going to
Speaker 2: look anything up and she goes, what should I look up?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I don't know, what about the Spanish Armada?
Speaker 2: And then the like daily double thing. The answer was
Speaker 2: the Spanish Armada like, and so she sat in the
Speaker 2: hairchair looked it up.
Speaker 3: Those the only thing.
Speaker 2: She looked up, and then like the daily double thing
Speaker 2: happens and she goes the Spanish Armada and it was right.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like most people would think that that
Speaker 1: was sort of weird cheating or something.
Speaker 2: No, no, I think it's cool. I love Yeah, it's no.
Speaker 2: No one's thought that. Everyone's been really pumped about it.
Speaker 1: I mean no, I'm just it's for someone that works
Speaker 1: at the show to tell you to look up one thing.
Speaker 3: It's interesting. Well, we don't know where the hairdresser was.
Speaker 2: She could have hired someone to come to her house, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know where this person was.
Speaker 1: Okay, we know that's crazy. I thought it was like
Speaker 1: in the chair at Jeopardy with you. It could be
Speaker 1: in the chair in house hair and makeup at Jeopardy,
Speaker 1: but they would I bet those people know that you're
Speaker 1: not really supposed to like talk to anybody about like
Speaker 1: any potential questions or anything.
Speaker 3: So that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love a little uh coincidence. That's
Speaker 1: very fun. Okay, let's get into our what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg do? This is our weekly segment where we direct
Speaker 1: you towards an article, a book, or an organization something
Speaker 1: to give you more information about what we talked about
Speaker 1: today or in this case, you know, we're kind of
Speaker 1: trying to tell everybody to stay away from men and
Speaker 1: watch out for your coaches. So this week we wanted
Speaker 1: to point you to the YWCA USA. Their mission is
Speaker 1: to eliminate racism, empower women, stand up for social justice,
Speaker 1: help families, and strengthen communities. So for more information and
Speaker 1: to find locations and donate, head over to YWCA dot org.
Speaker 1: A much maybe a better place to go than a
Speaker 1: boxing gym run by a pedophile.
Speaker 2: I know we didn't have good post mortem lessons, but
Speaker 2: I will say that actress was incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shang it out. She was an incredible actress. She's
Speaker 3: a fighter.
Speaker 2: And next week we'll be doing recall from season eight,
Speaker 2: episode three.
Speaker 3: Can't We see you next week? Bye?
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