Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with me
Speaker 1: your girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: it is becoming increasingly clear that we are in for
Speaker 1: a horrific ride with the second Trump regime. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you've been listening to this show for any amount
Speaker 1: of time, I've done my best to try and stand
Speaker 1: on rooftops and scream at the top of my lungs
Speaker 1: to make people aware and woke to where our futures
Speaker 1: would be headed if we allowed those that were cruel,
Speaker 1: vindictive white nationalists to take the reins of power. Well,
Speaker 1: we are finding out right now and they have not
Speaker 1: even begun their term. And so in today's conversation, I
Speaker 1: sit down for the last time on this show with
Speaker 1: my friend doctor Christina Greer to talk about what we
Speaker 1: can expect and how to best prepare ourselves. And Christina offers,
Speaker 1: you know, she says that in the first iteration of
Speaker 1: Trump in twenty seventeen that he was bumbling right and
Speaker 1: didn't know what he was doing, but now he is
Speaker 1: very aware of what he is doing. And so the
Speaker 1: vindictive nature of his upcoming term and the cruelty and
Speaker 1: policies that they want to enforce on the rest of
Speaker 1: us is coming. But she says that we cannot react
Speaker 1: to every single thing that happens because they will exhaust us.
Speaker 1: They will grind us down in to dust. And so
Speaker 1: this conversation one gives us just a better window into
Speaker 1: what is coming, but also offers some ways for us
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves and frankly, our piece moving forward. That
Speaker 1: conversation is coming up next, folks. I am so excited
Speaker 1: to welcome back to WOKF Daily for the last time,
Speaker 1: my friend, doctor Christina Greer, who is the author of
Speaker 1: a new book that is out now, How to Build
Speaker 1: a Democracy from Fanny lou Hamer and Barbara Jordan to
Speaker 1: Stacy Abrams, which is like, girl, we need that book
Speaker 1: right now as our democracy collapses. And is a associated
Speaker 1: professor at Fordham University. Christina, you know, this has been
Speaker 1: a year. It has been a year in politics. We
Speaker 1: all know what happened on election night, and as we
Speaker 1: march closer to the second inauguration of Donald Trump, we
Speaker 1: are getting a very clear window as if we needed it.
Speaker 1: We knew what was coming, but apparently everybody else needed
Speaker 1: a window into what was coming. And now you see
Speaker 1: folks reacting in all sorts of ways of shock, which
Speaker 1: I'm surprised by because when people show you who they are,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to believe them the first time. What do
Speaker 1: you make of I guess the response right now that
Speaker 1: folks seem to be having around the appointments, the choices
Speaker 1: to sue media outlets, to get everyone and everything in
Speaker 1: order essentially before he takes office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think you know what we have been saying,
Speaker 2: and what so many black women in particular and media
Speaker 2: especially have been saying, is that you know what is
Speaker 2: ahead is so incredibly dangerous. You should be paying attention
Speaker 2: to X, y Z, A, B n C. And so
Speaker 2: many people I'm talking about white people in particular, don't
Speaker 2: think that politics will affect them. It's sort of like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it's too bad for them. It's really going to be sad.
Speaker 2: But you know, I did the right thing. I voted
Speaker 2: this way, but I didn't do any heavy lifting to
Speaker 2: make sure my friends and family and community members saw
Speaker 2: my point of view. And so then we get the
Speaker 2: results a weekend, and overwhelming results. Right because of the framing,
Speaker 2: we know that some people will never vote for a woman.
Speaker 2: We know that some people will never vote for a
Speaker 2: person of color. We definitely know some people will never
Speaker 2: vote for a woman of color, especially with two immigrant
Speaker 2: parents and a Jewish husband. Like that's just we know
Speaker 2: who this country is. So I don't know why people
Speaker 2: are pretending that, you know, like, oh, I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna happen. It's like we we knew the obstacles ahead.
Speaker 2: We just had hope, right, because that's how we can
Speaker 2: survive in this country and without going insane.
Speaker 1: Right, and and and I think and I think that
Speaker 1: that's important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's very important, you know, And as an educator,
Speaker 2: it's incredibly important. But I think now that the second
Speaker 2: term is impending. And we told people the second term
Speaker 2: would be more dangerous than the first because the first
Speaker 2: term he didn't know what he was doing. The second
Speaker 2: term he's got vengeance and vendettas to settle. And he's actually,
Speaker 2: as I've always used the sort of robbery imagery, he's
Speaker 2: already cased the joint.
Speaker 3: That was the first time around.
Speaker 2: The second time around, the first time was casing the
Speaker 2: joint in the smashing grab. The second time around, it
Speaker 2: can be a lot more methodical. You actually don't have
Speaker 2: to appoint Republicans that actually do care about this country
Speaker 2: and will have a little stop gap. You actually don't
Speaker 2: have to try and put in career pology titians who
Speaker 2: actually know how the government works. You can just put
Speaker 2: in grifters like you. You can put in grifters like greedy
Speaker 2: people like you. You can put in people who don't
Speaker 2: care about the will of law or democracy. You can
Speaker 2: put in people who think just the way you do,
Speaker 2: that immigrants shouldn't be here, even though four of your
Speaker 2: five children and children are immigrants, and two of your
Speaker 2: three wives are immigrants. But you can tell yourself all
Speaker 2: that you need to say with this white supremacist agenda,
Speaker 2: because don't forget, you don't have to be white to
Speaker 2: believe in white supremacy and get folks on board. And
Speaker 2: so then what we've seen, and we saw some of
Speaker 2: this the first term of number forty five, I just
Speaker 2: I really can't even stand putting his name in my mouth.
Speaker 2: But you see these grown men, grown men acquiescing in
Speaker 2: a way where they just look like tulips on the
Speaker 2: twelfth Day, just bending, you know, just bending towards this
Speaker 2: man before he even asks.
Speaker 3: And so we told you that.
Speaker 2: We told you that he doesn't care about education. Yep,
Speaker 2: we told you he doesn't care about the environment. You
Speaker 2: can tell yourself what you want about global warmings a hoax.
Speaker 2: It's sixty degrees in December, Yep, you can. And then
Speaker 2: then when we get a blizzards, can we see there's
Speaker 2: no global warming? It's like no, no, no, there's a reason
Speaker 2: why the summer is super hot in the winter and
Speaker 2: hav these like flash freezing storms.
Speaker 3: That will kill people. Thinking about buffalo yep. So we
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 2: He's gonna have the most incompetent people in the health department.
Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna have people who literally have an
Speaker 2: enemy's list. You're gonna have folks who are suing media
Speaker 2: outlets because they reported facts or sometimes you know, the
Speaker 2: poll that said Donald Trump was losing to Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: you're suing the Iowa of registered.
Speaker 1: He's suing and Selzer. He's suing a polster for running
Speaker 1: a poll that said that he was behind. And this
Speaker 1: to me, like when I saw that Christina I, which
Speaker 1: came up earlier in the week, When I saw that,
Speaker 1: I said, oh, so now no one can do their jobs.
Speaker 1: It isn't just about the media reporting. It's like you're
Speaker 1: not going to be allowed to get any facts whatsoever.
Speaker 3: Right, And I don't I think that some of this
Speaker 3: is bluster.
Speaker 2: I mean, we know he's been suing people his whole life, right,
Speaker 2: and so like some of these will get thrown out,
Speaker 2: but we do know that he stacked the courts, right,
Speaker 2: so you might get a friendly judge who cares about
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 3: If nothing else.
Speaker 2: It's a distraction from other real issues that we should
Speaker 2: be talking about. But as Steve Bannon said the first term,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm just gonna throw so much at these people. Yep,
Speaker 2: they're not even gonna be able to focus. And so
Speaker 2: I do think that there is something to be said
Speaker 2: about not subscribing to the child who throws the cheerios
Speaker 2: on the floor, and you pick up every single cheerio
Speaker 2: every moment he throws it on the floor. There has
Speaker 2: to be a certain level of ignoring it. Like, yes,
Speaker 2: independent media is incredibly important, and it's going to be
Speaker 2: harder and harder a to fund and B to have
Speaker 2: people who want to say things because of the fear
Speaker 2: of you know, maniacs coming and suing you and trying
Speaker 2: to ruin your life. But I do think that there
Speaker 2: are enough people who were just like, yeah, I'm you
Speaker 2: can do all that. I'm like, I'm not interested in
Speaker 2: your blustering. But I also think that, you know, we
Speaker 2: have to like protect our spirit. And I mean that
Speaker 2: in an intellectual and an emotional way, in the sense
Speaker 2: that the first time around, Remember we responded to almost
Speaker 2: everything as much as we could. Yeap, like it couldn't
Speaker 2: have been everything, right cause we know that things still
Speaker 2: fell through the cracks because it was so much. But
Speaker 2: I mean, you were on it. I was trying to
Speaker 2: be on it, like so many people were like he
Speaker 2: said this, he did that, he appointed this person, that
Speaker 2: person did this.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just every day it was like I
Speaker 1: had on a level, we were trying to have a
Speaker 1: map of like all the crazy and we would literally
Speaker 1: wake up from the moment our eyes opened.
Speaker 3: It was chaos and mayhem, and I think our.
Speaker 2: Health suffered from it, like collectively as a country, as
Speaker 2: a nation, you know, as a world. And I think
Speaker 2: for some of us, we actually have to choose not
Speaker 2: to chase every cheerio on the floor, and that's gonna
Speaker 2: be hard to do.
Speaker 3: But I don't think.
Speaker 2: I think the whole point is to have us do that,
Speaker 2: so we grind ourselves into dust and we actually have
Speaker 2: to save our energy because the midterms actually do matter.
Speaker 2: We do know that this country does like divide a government.
Speaker 2: The party not in power tends to gain seats m
Speaker 2: h during the mid terms because usually the party in
Speaker 2: power sor does certain things that makes people displeased. So
Speaker 2: it's like, then let's focus up on some of these
Speaker 2: districts that were lost. If you really look at the
Speaker 2: numbers that are coming out, the Democrats did not do
Speaker 2: as terribly as it seemed on election night. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: the whole numbers are coming through, you know, the numbers
Speaker 2: actually seem a lot better. And there there are inroads,
Speaker 2: and you know, think about say like the abortion band
Speaker 2: in Florida. Fifty eight percent of Floridians said that, you know,
Speaker 2: they thought it was a crazy idea. The only issue
Speaker 2: is you've got a rule sixty yeah. Yeah, So it's like,
Speaker 2: but fifty eight percent actually did say no, no, no,
Speaker 2: like this is a bridge too far. You've got these
Speaker 2: you know, hyperbolic bills that are coming through in South Carolina.
Speaker 2: You know, let's execute women if they try and get abortioned,
Speaker 2: you know, or let's let's prosecute people if they're traveling
Speaker 2: through a portion of Texas trying to get an abortion
Speaker 2: going to a different state. I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: that's for like these hardcore sheriffs and you know, das
Speaker 2: trying to make names for themselves. But I do think
Speaker 2: that at a certain point in time, certain people are like,
Speaker 2: this is a bridge too far. Like I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not taking this case. I'm not moving this case forward.
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not being too pollyannish, because I know
Speaker 2: I know exactly who this country is.
Speaker 3: I am under.
Speaker 2: No false pretenses as to who this country is. But
Speaker 2: I do think that there are more people who think
Speaker 2: like us in this country than not. I just think that, honestly,
Speaker 2: we got other lazy people who believe like us, Like
Speaker 2: I think a lot of folks who just do not
Speaker 2: do the hard work during election season, and it is
Speaker 2: frustrating as all get out.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, speaking of people doing the
Speaker 1: hard work or acquiescing or folding like a tulip, which
Speaker 1: I have to use that because that was just so good.
Speaker 1: Democrats right now seem to be missing Christina and when
Speaker 1: they do pop their heads up, they make decisions like
Speaker 1: they just made with regard to who's going to be
Speaker 1: ranking member on the Oversight Committee. It was between Jerry Conley,
Speaker 1: Democrat out of rigine Jinia, seventy four years old with
Speaker 1: throat cancer, with throat cancer versus Alexandrero Cassio Cortez, thirty
Speaker 1: something year old firebrand of a communicator, and they chose
Speaker 1: the seventy four year old. Talk to me about the
Speaker 1: decisions that the Democrats are making right now, and that
Speaker 1: to me it looks like they have learned nothing and
Speaker 1: are signaling that we are going to stay the course
Speaker 1: as these moderate Republicans in Democratic centrist clothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that is literally the strategy,
Speaker 2: which is if we are in tumult and chaos, stay
Speaker 2: the course, like keep the status quo. This is not
Speaker 2: the time to choose a thirty year old firebrand. I
Speaker 2: think the frustrating part for me is that isn't there
Speaker 2: a third reel? Like, isn't there a third vi? You know,
Speaker 2: like I am, I am probably more when it comes
Speaker 2: to politics, much more of an institutionalist than say you
Speaker 2: you know, like I actually do think when it's in tumult.
Speaker 2: Maybe this isn't the time to try something brand spanking new.
Speaker 2: We can try something different, but like I don't I'm
Speaker 2: not a pendulum swinger in that sense. And I think
Speaker 2: AOC brings very smart, fantastic politician obviously going to be
Speaker 2: a leader in the party. I don't know if she's
Speaker 2: there yet in my opinion, my own opinion, So I
Speaker 2: would have liked to see someone in between a seventy
Speaker 2: four year old who has some health issues and a
Speaker 2: thirty year old who is still I mean, she's been
Speaker 2: in Congress, she's doing a great job, but like I
Speaker 2: don't think she has her sea legs just yet for
Speaker 2: that type of leadership position.
Speaker 3: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: So I would have liked to see something else. But
Speaker 2: when in doubt, Democrats go with what they're accustomed to. Now,
Speaker 2: for a lot of what happens in Congress, you kind
Speaker 2: of do need people who know how to coalesce votes. No,
Speaker 2: folks from across the country aren't necessarily polarizing, you know,
Speaker 2: working with AOC for some people in their particular district
Speaker 2: looks bad for them, you know, So I understand strategically,
Speaker 2: you know, like think about I was thinking about this
Speaker 2: with like Al Sharpton.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: What makes Al Sharpton such like a brilliant politician is
Speaker 2: he works with lots of politicians, but he knows that
Speaker 2: sometimes it's like I can't be your friend in public
Speaker 2: because that's bad business for you. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can organize and you know, strategize together, but like
Speaker 2: I don't need to do it in front of the
Speaker 2: cameras because then your constituents might feel some kind of
Speaker 2: way because he knows exactly who he is. So I'm
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like for AOC, I think a
Speaker 2: strategy for her, honestly, if she wants to kind of
Speaker 2: move up, is to be more like I move in silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree in terms of the move in silence.
Speaker 1: I just what I see in the forefront, what I
Speaker 1: see loudly or right from Democrats is the same old,
Speaker 1: same old right, and the same old, same old isn't
Speaker 1: going to move the needle. The same old, same old
Speaker 1: isn't going to get the seven million people who sat
Speaker 1: home to decide to engage and let this be their party.
Speaker 1: I think that Democrats are not built for this moment
Speaker 1: in their current formation they and because the MAGA extremists
Speaker 1: have moved so far to the right and drag Democrats
Speaker 1: with them, who would notably be seen as centrist Democrats
Speaker 1: are now Republics, are now moderate Republicans right in terms
Speaker 1: of how they move. And so, what do you think
Speaker 1: legislatively resistance would look like for the Democratic Party if
Speaker 1: they were to create a strategy around how we need
Speaker 1: to deal with Donald Trump moving forward? Knowing that we
Speaker 1: have a very small there's a very small margin in
Speaker 1: the House, much bigger one in the Senate. But what
Speaker 1: does what would resistance look like if in fact they
Speaker 1: were actually interested in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't disagree with you at all that
Speaker 2: Democrats are more comfortable, especially in moments like this, moving
Speaker 2: towards the center. We saw that in the nineties with
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, and we are still seeing the vestiges of
Speaker 2: some of those policies. However, I will say what I
Speaker 2: think a form of resistance has to look like with
Speaker 2: this tiny margin, and essentially people who do not know
Speaker 2: what they're doing in government in certain cabinet positions, people
Speaker 2: who were sick of fans with the incoming president, for
Speaker 2: career politicians who actually do know how the leavers of
Speaker 2: power work. I think right now, a lot of resistance
Speaker 2: looks like peeling off a few Republicans and making sure
Speaker 2: you build coalitions with them to block a lot of
Speaker 2: legislation that.
Speaker 3: Would otherwise get past.
Speaker 2: Because the first time around, Donald Trump wasn't interested in
Speaker 2: legislation those first two years when he had unified government.
Speaker 2: In unified government means he has the House, the Senate,
Speaker 2: and the Presidency are all of the same party. He
Speaker 2: was more interested in executive orders because he thought he
Speaker 2: was a king. First order of business Muslim ban and
Speaker 2: the courts are like, you can't do that. That's just
Speaker 2: not how government works. He had zero idea how government works.
Speaker 2: But he also had people around him in government who
Speaker 2: were like, hey, sir, we can't do that.
Speaker 3: We're not going to do that.
Speaker 2: This time around, the people around him are fewer and
Speaker 2: fewer who actually understand and respect government. That means the
Speaker 2: people in Congress are by and large some of the
Speaker 2: old guard, because everyone else in the cabinet is kind
Speaker 2: of new and bonkers. I mean, we've got RFK Junior,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we can't why is his name
Speaker 2: even rf K.
Speaker 3: Junior, Because you're nothing like your dad like nothing.
Speaker 1: Right, So we honestly don't know Elon and Cash, you know,
Speaker 1: just these people where it's what and how yet and
Speaker 1: still here we I don't forget jd.
Speaker 2: Vance's been in office for twenty minutes. So it is actually,
Speaker 2: I think going to be a strategy to work with
Speaker 2: Republicans who actually do care about the institution that is Congress,
Speaker 2: that actually do care about the institution that is American democracy.
Speaker 2: And so it's like we might disagree on certain things,
Speaker 2: but we got to figure out a way Stacy Abram
Speaker 2: style when she was in when she was minority leader
Speaker 2: in the Georgia House, it's like, you disagree with this
Speaker 2: for a totally different reason than the reason why I
Speaker 2: disagree with it, but we can still vote knowing it
Speaker 2: because we both disagree.
Speaker 1: But do you think that there are going to be
Speaker 1: enough of these Republicans because you have Elon Musk saying
Speaker 1: I'm gonna primary you if you don't run through every single,
Speaker 1: every single policy, every single legislative whim every sing you know,
Speaker 1: then you are going to be primaried. And we know
Speaker 1: that these people care more about their own ass than
Speaker 1: they do their constituents or the country so I'm like,
Speaker 1: are there even those people to work with?
Speaker 2: Well, I think the people who who might end up
Speaker 2: being the ones who saved the day are the old
Speaker 2: dinosaurs who've been so difficult to work with in the past,
Speaker 2: but those who were just on the way out. So
Speaker 2: like I'm thinking, crazy enough, Mitch McConnell might actually be
Speaker 2: someone that Democrats have to and need to and begin
Speaker 2: to work with because he's on his way out and
Speaker 2: he's like, you know what, I'm not going to burn
Speaker 2: the institution down on my way out. Like, I know
Speaker 2: that sounds totally insane, but I think the strategy for
Speaker 2: Democrats is to find Republicans who aren't running for reelection
Speaker 2: who can actually be a stop gap before they.
Speaker 1: Leave, you know, my you know, And I will say this,
Speaker 1: My concern with that is one that there aren't any
Speaker 1: and two that regardless of whether or not these people
Speaker 1: run for reelection, I don't think that they are necessary.
Speaker 1: I think that they're more concerned about, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: violence than they receiving, you know, being a product of
Speaker 1: MAGA violence than they are about being primaried. And I wonder, like,
Speaker 1: if we won't see I guess well, last question for
Speaker 1: you do you think when you think about what's happening,
Speaker 1: what's unfolding. We know that he's going to get in
Speaker 1: and part in these January sixth insurrectionists and set the
Speaker 1: tone of you know, the stand back and stand by
Speaker 1: and deputize these militias. What do you think about the
Speaker 1: increase in political violence that could be geared at his
Speaker 1: own people? Frankly, is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: And we've seen that in over history in American democracy.
Speaker 2: I mean, like white people have killed other white people
Speaker 2: for trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 3: I mean that is part of our history.
Speaker 2: That has been a race from history books as well, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, like this whole book banning is not new.
Speaker 3: We've done this time and time again.
Speaker 2: It's how you know, so many black families have to
Speaker 2: educate their kids after school right about the real America. No,
Speaker 2: I think that that's a very real threat, and I
Speaker 2: think it's a very real possibility. What I try and
Speaker 2: do is explain to sort of white people that if
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris lost, we were boarding up DC because we
Speaker 2: thought that people were going to rip this country apart.
Speaker 2: But we had to board up DC because if Donald
Speaker 2: Trump didn't get his way, then he would resort to
Speaker 2: physical violence, like helping them see that we have now
Speaker 2: reached a point where we have allowed specifically white men
Speaker 2: and now growing up or Latino and Asian men, but
Speaker 2: mainly white men, to sort of to say, if I
Speaker 2: don't get my way, I will burn down this country.
Speaker 2: Like that can't be a strategy moving forward in this country.
Speaker 2: And so when we think about like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: working class whites and poor whites, you know, I could
Speaker 2: see why they're so frustrated they would have rip apart
Speaker 2: the country. It's like, no one else in this country
Speaker 2: defaults to that behavior. No one else does when they
Speaker 2: don't get.
Speaker 1: No one else can, no one else can. You know,
Speaker 1: because if you if you throw that kind of tantrum,
Speaker 1: like you're dead and you're if you're black girl, imagine.
Speaker 2: That thought experiment of hundreds of black people ripping down
Speaker 2: the capitol on January sixth. Do you realize that they
Speaker 2: would have bombed the capitol. They would have just setted
Speaker 2: a blaze. Yes, they would have killed everyone. And it's like, well, rebuild.
Speaker 3: The capitol next week.
Speaker 2: But guess what, everybody's dead, Like I think everyone knows that,
Speaker 2: Like what if it were a bunch of Muslim, yeah,
Speaker 2: one off, a bunch of Latino. It's like, you can't
Speaker 2: imagine people beating up police officers, but you know there's
Speaker 2: all if you go on YouTube and it's like white
Speaker 2: people fighting cops, you will see cops like chasing white people,
Speaker 2: tussling with them on the grass, I mean, getting slapped,
Speaker 2: getting their guns stolen, you know, like getting their vest
Speaker 2: pulled up, and it's just like and not once does
Speaker 2: a police officer think to shoot them now once? And
Speaker 2: so I think, you know what this is going to
Speaker 2: expose and what it has exposed, and it's becoming more
Speaker 2: and more evident every day, is how Donald Trump and
Speaker 2: people who believe in him and act like him and
Speaker 2: oftentimes look like him, have a totally different reality in
Speaker 2: this country. And I do think in the positive way
Speaker 2: that a lot of white Americans are like, this is
Speaker 2: not right and it's insane, Like now, you can't even
Speaker 2: the first time this happened, it seemed like a vote
Speaker 2: for you could say it's Donald is one person. The
Speaker 2: second time it's like, oh, this is a problem with
Speaker 2: the country. And I think this is a positive note.
Speaker 2: This election has exposed, yeap, what you and I have
Speaker 2: been saying what you're screaming from the just but some people,
Speaker 2: For some people, this is the first time.
Speaker 3: That they're seeing it.
Speaker 2: This is the first time they're going from black and
Speaker 2: white to technicolor, right, and it's like they're not even
Speaker 2: in HD yet, so they're literally this is still beginning,
Speaker 2: and it's like what And so I do think as
Speaker 2: an educator giving people now, we've been giving you a moment,
Speaker 2: but it's like, oh, you need a second to process
Speaker 2: this because this has been forty five years of reality imagine,
Speaker 2: you know. And it's sort of and it's not the
Speaker 2: same thing, but it is sort of the way I
Speaker 2: explain to my younger LGBTQ plus students, I'm like, listen, when.
Speaker 3: We were growing up.
Speaker 2: One, it was gay, right, so it's like we didn't
Speaker 2: have the different letters and definitions. And two when it
Speaker 2: comes to pronouns, I'm like, as an educator, I've been
Speaker 2: in the classroom at Fordham since two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: so when I started, we never talked about pronouns, never asked,
Speaker 2: never did anything. It wasn't until like five or six
Speaker 2: years ago where we started saying, what is your preferred
Speaker 2: pronoun that's now even wrong. Now it is what is
Speaker 2: your pronoun? Not your preferred pronoun. So I was like,
Speaker 2: so just understand, there's been a lot of movement with
Speaker 2: issues in a short period of time. And I was like,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to catch up and I'm not even
Speaker 2: quote unquote old. So I try and have a little
Speaker 2: grace where it's like, now I'm you're pushing me to
Speaker 2: my limit with this grace and patience and compassion. But
Speaker 2: I recognize for some people this is like a lot
Speaker 2: of movement in a.
Speaker 3: Short period all at once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all it feels like all at once. It's like,
Speaker 2: but you know, for my students, this might live reality.
Speaker 2: It's like, exactly, it's your lib reality. But I'm I'm
Speaker 2: just being caught up to speed, and some of this
Speaker 2: stuff I straight up didn't know. For some people, we're like,
Speaker 2: how did you not know? But for some people, they
Speaker 2: didn't know, and so now we're trying to get them
Speaker 2: to be Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, my friend, I want to thank you one for
Speaker 1: your critical analysis, but also for your support and voice
Speaker 1: on this show over the last several years. It has
Speaker 1: been an absolute pleasure and I appreciate your honor.
Speaker 2: And you know the beauty of you, and you know
Speaker 2: the public service that you do educating in the public.
Speaker 2: I so appreciate, I respect obviously you're onto bigger.
Speaker 3: Brighter, new things.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five is you know, it's gonna be new
Speaker 2: beginnings in the best ways. It's listen, there's gonna be
Speaker 2: one side that's gonna be what is gonna be. But
Speaker 2: like you know, just like in the Disney movies, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, when you look over it's like Scar lives
Speaker 2: over there, and it's like then it's like Bright and
Speaker 2: Sonny over there.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm gonna choose to live with the Brighton
Speaker 3: Sonny Peace like they can be.
Speaker 1: Over there, one hundred percent. Appreciate you, my friend.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Two more, Timore. That is it for me to day,
Speaker 1: Dear friends, on woke a f as always Power to
Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke
Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.