WEBVTT - Dissecting the New Trump Regime 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.880 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with me 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:20.520 your girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:26.040 it is becoming increasingly clear that we are in for 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:31.360 a horrific ride with the second Trump regime. I mean, 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.840 if you've been listening to this show for any amount 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.840 of time, I've done my best to try and stand 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.839 on rooftops and scream at the top of my lungs 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:45.360 to make people aware and woke to where our futures 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.000 would be headed if we allowed those that were cruel, 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:54.440 vindictive white nationalists to take the reins of power. Well, 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.680 we are finding out right now and they have not 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:04.040 even begun their term. And so in today's conversation, I 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.520 sit down for the last time on this show with 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:13.760 my friend doctor Christina Greer to talk about what we 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:19.680 can expect and how to best prepare ourselves. And Christina offers, 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.399 you know, she says that in the first iteration of 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:30.480 Trump in twenty seventeen that he was bumbling right and 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.920 didn't know what he was doing, but now he is 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.560 very aware of what he is doing. And so the 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.480 vindictive nature of his upcoming term and the cruelty and 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.800 policies that they want to enforce on the rest of 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:51.040 us is coming. But she says that we cannot react 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:57.640 to every single thing that happens because they will exhaust us. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.360 They will grind us down in to dust. And so 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:07.360 this conversation one gives us just a better window into 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.480 what is coming, but also offers some ways for us 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:16.600 to protect ourselves and frankly, our piece moving forward. That 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:23.440 conversation is coming up next, folks. I am so excited 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.480 to welcome back to WOKF Daily for the last time, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:35.480 my friend, doctor Christina Greer, who is the author of 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.080 a new book that is out now, How to Build 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.640 a Democracy from Fanny lou Hamer and Barbara Jordan to 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.919 Stacy Abrams, which is like, girl, we need that book 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:53.079 right now as our democracy collapses. And is a associated 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:59.280 professor at Fordham University. Christina, you know, this has been 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:04.480 a year. It has been a year in politics. We 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.720 all know what happened on election night, and as we 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:13.360 march closer to the second inauguration of Donald Trump, we 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.520 are getting a very clear window as if we needed it. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.320 We knew what was coming, but apparently everybody else needed 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.119 a window into what was coming. And now you see 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.639 folks reacting in all sorts of ways of shock, which 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.799 I'm surprised by because when people show you who they are, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.440 you're supposed to believe them the first time. What do 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.440 you make of I guess the response right now that 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:46.040 folks seem to be having around the appointments, the choices 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:52.800 to sue media outlets, to get everyone and everything in 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.520 order essentially before he takes office. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.240 Yeah, well, I think you know what we have been saying, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.200 and what so many black women in particular and media 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.520 especially have been saying, is that you know what is 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.640 ahead is so incredibly dangerous. You should be paying attention 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.640 to X, y Z, A, B n C. And so 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.400 many people I'm talking about white people in particular, don't 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.680 think that politics will affect them. It's sort of like, oh, well, 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.080 it's too bad for them. It's really going to be sad. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.840 But you know, I did the right thing. I voted 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:34.000 this way, but I didn't do any heavy lifting to 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:39.360 make sure my friends and family and community members saw 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.120 my point of view. And so then we get the 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.920 results a weekend, and overwhelming results. Right because of the framing, 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.160 we know that some people will never vote for a woman. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:50.640 We know that some people will never vote for a 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.280 person of color. We definitely know some people will never 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.320 vote for a woman of color, especially with two immigrant 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.200 parents and a Jewish husband. Like that's just we know 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:00.880 who this country is. So I don't know why people 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.040 are pretending that, you know, like, oh, I thought it 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.119 was gonna happen. It's like we we knew the obstacles ahead. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.280 We just had hope, right, because that's how we can 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.360 survive in this country and without going insane. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.920 Right, and and and I think and I think that 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:15.720 that's important. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.440 Yeah, exactly, it's very important, you know, And as an educator, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.520 it's incredibly important. But I think now that the second 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:29.880 term is impending. And we told people the second term 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:31.800 would be more dangerous than the first because the first 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:33.880 term he didn't know what he was doing. The second 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:39.400 term he's got vengeance and vendettas to settle. And he's actually, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.599 as I've always used the sort of robbery imagery, he's 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:43.560 already cased the joint. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:44.680 That was the first time around. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.120 The second time around, the first time was casing the 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.040 joint in the smashing grab. The second time around, it 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.640 can be a lot more methodical. You actually don't have 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.800 to appoint Republicans that actually do care about this country 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.080 and will have a little stop gap. You actually don't 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.480 have to try and put in career pology titians who 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.880 actually know how the government works. You can just put 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.960 in grifters like you. You can put in grifters like greedy 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.200 people like you. You can put in people who don't 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.680 care about the will of law or democracy. You can 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.400 put in people who think just the way you do, 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.520 that immigrants shouldn't be here, even though four of your 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.760 five children and children are immigrants, and two of your 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.719 three wives are immigrants. But you can tell yourself all 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.919 that you need to say with this white supremacist agenda, 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.440 because don't forget, you don't have to be white to 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:32.320 believe in white supremacy and get folks on board. And 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.800 so then what we've seen, and we saw some of 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:39.560 this the first term of number forty five, I just 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.960 I really can't even stand putting his name in my mouth. 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:49.400 But you see these grown men, grown men acquiescing in 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.000 a way where they just look like tulips on the 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:58.040 twelfth Day, just bending, you know, just bending towards this 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.360 man before he even asks. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.080 And so we told you that. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.560 We told you that he doesn't care about education. Yep, 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.320 we told you he doesn't care about the environment. You 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.920 can tell yourself what you want about global warmings a hoax. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.200 It's sixty degrees in December, Yep, you can. And then 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.480 then when we get a blizzards, can we see there's 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.679 no global warming? It's like no, no, no, there's a reason 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.960 why the summer is super hot in the winter and 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.520 hav these like flash freezing storms. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.360 That will kill people. Thinking about buffalo yep. So we 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:26.840 know that. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.720 He's gonna have the most incompetent people in the health department. 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.120 You know, you're gonna have people who literally have an 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.559 enemy's list. You're gonna have folks who are suing media 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.880 outlets because they reported facts or sometimes you know, the 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.559 poll that said Donald Trump was losing to Kamala Harris, 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.360 you're suing the Iowa of registered. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:52.480 He's suing and Selzer. He's suing a polster for running 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:56.880 a poll that said that he was behind. And this 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.520 to me, like when I saw that Christina I, which 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.200 came up earlier in the week, When I saw that, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:09.120 I said, oh, so now no one can do their jobs. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.720 It isn't just about the media reporting. It's like you're 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.760 not going to be allowed to get any facts whatsoever. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.040 Right, And I don't I think that some of this 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:20.560 is bluster. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.000 I mean, we know he's been suing people his whole life, right, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.880 and so like some of these will get thrown out, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.080 but we do know that he stacked the courts, right, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.480 so you might get a friendly judge who cares about 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:29.840 this stuff. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:30.720 If nothing else. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.160 It's a distraction from other real issues that we should 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.880 be talking about. But as Steve Bannon said the first term, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.640 it's like I'm just gonna throw so much at these people. Yep, 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.080 they're not even gonna be able to focus. And so 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.680 I do think that there is something to be said 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.439 about not subscribing to the child who throws the cheerios 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.880 on the floor, and you pick up every single cheerio 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.600 every moment he throws it on the floor. There has 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.360 to be a certain level of ignoring it. Like, yes, 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.360 independent media is incredibly important, and it's going to be 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.000 harder and harder a to fund and B to have 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.640 people who want to say things because of the fear 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.280 of you know, maniacs coming and suing you and trying 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.920 to ruin your life. But I do think that there 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.520 are enough people who were just like, yeah, I'm you 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.240 can do all that. I'm like, I'm not interested in 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.640 your blustering. But I also think that, you know, we 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.959 have to like protect our spirit. And I mean that 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.360 in an intellectual and an emotional way, in the sense 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.680 that the first time around, Remember we responded to almost 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.120 everything as much as we could. Yeap, like it couldn't 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:38.960 have been everything, right cause we know that things still 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.640 fell through the cracks because it was so much. But 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:43.520 I mean, you were on it. I was trying to 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.360 be on it, like so many people were like he 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.520 said this, he did that, he appointed this person, that 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:48.160 person did this. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.280 I mean, it's just every day it was like I 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.280 had on a level, we were trying to have a 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.320 map of like all the crazy and we would literally 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.800 wake up from the moment our eyes opened. 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.920 It was chaos and mayhem, and I think our. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.720 Health suffered from it, like collectively as a country, as 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.440 a nation, you know, as a world. And I think 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.920 for some of us, we actually have to choose not 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:18.320 to chase every cheerio on the floor, and that's gonna 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:19.079 be hard to do. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.439 But I don't think. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.960 I think the whole point is to have us do that, 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.959 so we grind ourselves into dust and we actually have 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.880 to save our energy because the midterms actually do matter. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.040 We do know that this country does like divide a government. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.120 The party not in power tends to gain seats m 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.079 h during the mid terms because usually the party in 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.600 power sor does certain things that makes people displeased. So 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.520 it's like, then let's focus up on some of these 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.920 districts that were lost. If you really look at the 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.920 numbers that are coming out, the Democrats did not do 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.319 as terribly as it seemed on election night. Yeah, as 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.239 the whole numbers are coming through, you know, the numbers 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.520 actually seem a lot better. And there there are inroads, 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.760 and you know, think about say like the abortion band 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.360 in Florida. Fifty eight percent of Floridians said that, you know, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:11.320 they thought it was a crazy idea. The only issue 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.080 is you've got a rule sixty yeah. Yeah, So it's like, 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.200 but fifty eight percent actually did say no, no, no, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.040 like this is a bridge too far. You've got these 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.439 you know, hyperbolic bills that are coming through in South Carolina. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.040 You know, let's execute women if they try and get abortioned, 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.720 you know, or let's let's prosecute people if they're traveling 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.160 through a portion of Texas trying to get an abortion 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.400 going to a different state. I think that, you know, 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:41.840 that's for like these hardcore sheriffs and you know, das 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.079 trying to make names for themselves. But I do think 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.400 that at a certain point in time, certain people are like, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.880 this is a bridge too far. Like I'm not I'm 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:53.160 not taking this case. I'm not moving this case forward. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.600 I hope I'm not being too pollyannish, because I know 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.199 I know exactly who this country is. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:00.000 I am under. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.040 No false pretenses as to who this country is. But 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.480 I do think that there are more people who think 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.800 like us in this country than not. I just think that, honestly, 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.520 we got other lazy people who believe like us, Like 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.040 I think a lot of folks who just do not 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:22.200 do the hard work during election season, and it is 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.920 frustrating as all get out. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.400 Let me ask you this, speaking of people doing the 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.200 hard work or acquiescing or folding like a tulip, which 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.559 I have to use that because that was just so good. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:45.760 Democrats right now seem to be missing Christina and when 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.840 they do pop their heads up, they make decisions like 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.480 they just made with regard to who's going to be 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:58.600 ranking member on the Oversight Committee. It was between Jerry Conley, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.040 Democrat out of rigine Jinia, seventy four years old with 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.760 throat cancer, with throat cancer versus Alexandrero Cassio Cortez, thirty 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:13.440 something year old firebrand of a communicator, and they chose 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.840 the seventy four year old. Talk to me about the 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.560 decisions that the Democrats are making right now, and that 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.200 to me it looks like they have learned nothing and 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.320 are signaling that we are going to stay the course 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:32.280 as these moderate Republicans in Democratic centrist clothing. 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.439 Yeah, and I think that that is literally the strategy, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.480 which is if we are in tumult and chaos, stay 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.160 the course, like keep the status quo. This is not 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.080 the time to choose a thirty year old firebrand. I 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.840 think the frustrating part for me is that isn't there 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.440 a third reel? Like, isn't there a third vi? You know, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.440 like I am, I am probably more when it comes 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:59.720 to politics, much more of an institutionalist than say you 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.680 you know, like I actually do think when it's in tumult. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.640 Maybe this isn't the time to try something brand spanking new. 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.680 We can try something different, but like I don't I'm 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.680 not a pendulum swinger in that sense. And I think 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:16.199 AOC brings very smart, fantastic politician obviously going to be 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.280 a leader in the party. I don't know if she's 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.880 there yet in my opinion, my own opinion, So I 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.000 would have liked to see someone in between a seventy 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.760 four year old who has some health issues and a 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.560 thirty year old who is still I mean, she's been 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.360 in Congress, she's doing a great job, but like I 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.080 don't think she has her sea legs just yet for 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:36.400 that type of leadership position. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:37.800 That's just my opinion. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.440 So I would have liked to see something else. But 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.840 when in doubt, Democrats go with what they're accustomed to. Now, 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.800 for a lot of what happens in Congress, you kind 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.640 of do need people who know how to coalesce votes. No, 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.440 folks from across the country aren't necessarily polarizing, you know, 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.440 working with AOC for some people in their particular district 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.440 looks bad for them, you know, So I understand strategically, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.560 you know, like think about I was thinking about this 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:07.400 with like Al Sharpton. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:08.120 Mm hmm. 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.640 What makes Al Sharpton such like a brilliant politician is 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.320 he works with lots of politicians, but he knows that 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.000 sometimes it's like I can't be your friend in public 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.200 because that's bad business for you. So it's like, yeah, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.280 we can organize and you know, strategize together, but like 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.200 I don't need to do it in front of the 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.880 cameras because then your constituents might feel some kind of 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.840 way because he knows exactly who he is. So I'm 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:36.040 you know, I feel like for AOC, I think a 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.520 strategy for her, honestly, if she wants to kind of 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.200 move up, is to be more like I move in silence. 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.360 Yeah, I agree in terms of the move in silence. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:48.080 I just what I see in the forefront, what I 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.800 see loudly or right from Democrats is the same old, 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.160 same old right, and the same old, same old isn't 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.040 going to move the needle. The same old, same old 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.200 isn't going to get the seven million people who sat 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.480 home to decide to engage and let this be their party. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.800 I think that Democrats are not built for this moment 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:12.280 in their current formation they and because the MAGA extremists 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.040 have moved so far to the right and drag Democrats 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.200 with them, who would notably be seen as centrist Democrats 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.280 are now Republics, are now moderate Republicans right in terms 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.440 of how they move. And so, what do you think 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:32.800 legislatively resistance would look like for the Democratic Party if 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:38.440 they were to create a strategy around how we need 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.440 to deal with Donald Trump moving forward? Knowing that we 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.080 have a very small there's a very small margin in 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.800 the House, much bigger one in the Senate. But what 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.600 does what would resistance look like if in fact they 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.920 were actually interested in it. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.560 Yeah, and I don't disagree with you at all that 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.760 Democrats are more comfortable, especially in moments like this, moving 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.359 towards the center. We saw that in the nineties with 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.280 Bill Clinton, and we are still seeing the vestiges of 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.480 some of those policies. However, I will say what I 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.239 think a form of resistance has to look like with 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:19.520 this tiny margin, and essentially people who do not know 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.879 what they're doing in government in certain cabinet positions, people 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:26.800 who were sick of fans with the incoming president, for 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.919 career politicians who actually do know how the leavers of 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.000 power work. I think right now, a lot of resistance 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.160 looks like peeling off a few Republicans and making sure 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.080 you build coalitions with them to block a lot of 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.120 legislation that. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.280 Would otherwise get past. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.399 Because the first time around, Donald Trump wasn't interested in 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.240 legislation those first two years when he had unified government. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.200 In unified government means he has the House, the Senate, 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.560 and the Presidency are all of the same party. He 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.679 was more interested in executive orders because he thought he 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.600 was a king. First order of business Muslim ban and 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.399 the courts are like, you can't do that. That's just 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.119 not how government works. He had zero idea how government works. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.400 But he also had people around him in government who 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:07.399 were like, hey, sir, we can't do that. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:08.359 We're not going to do that. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.399 This time around, the people around him are fewer and 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.960 fewer who actually understand and respect government. That means the 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.439 people in Congress are by and large some of the 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.360 old guard, because everyone else in the cabinet is kind 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:26.000 of new and bonkers. I mean, we've got RFK Junior, 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.800 you know, I mean, we can't why is his name 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:30.280 even rf K. 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.840 Junior, Because you're nothing like your dad like nothing. 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.239 Right, So we honestly don't know Elon and Cash, you know, 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.199 just these people where it's what and how yet and 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.600 still here we I don't forget jd. 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.320 Vance's been in office for twenty minutes. So it is actually, 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.600 I think going to be a strategy to work with 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.800 Republicans who actually do care about the institution that is Congress, 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.600 that actually do care about the institution that is American democracy. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.640 And so it's like we might disagree on certain things, 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.560 but we got to figure out a way Stacy Abram 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.320 style when she was in when she was minority leader 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.760 in the Georgia House, it's like, you disagree with this 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.679 for a totally different reason than the reason why I 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.840 disagree with it, but we can still vote knowing it 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:10.960 because we both disagree. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.199 But do you think that there are going to be 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.679 enough of these Republicans because you have Elon Musk saying 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.040 I'm gonna primary you if you don't run through every single, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.560 every single policy, every single legislative whim every sing you know, 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.719 then you are going to be primaried. And we know 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.080 that these people care more about their own ass than 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.800 they do their constituents or the country so I'm like, 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:37.360 are there even those people to work with? 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.919 Well, I think the people who who might end up 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.200 being the ones who saved the day are the old 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.960 dinosaurs who've been so difficult to work with in the past, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:49.240 but those who were just on the way out. So 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.439 like I'm thinking, crazy enough, Mitch McConnell might actually be 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.320 someone that Democrats have to and need to and begin 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.679 to work with because he's on his way out and 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.560 he's like, you know what, I'm not going to burn 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.359 the institution down on my way out. Like, I know 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.600 that sounds totally insane, but I think the strategy for 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.800 Democrats is to find Republicans who aren't running for reelection 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.800 who can actually be a stop gap before they. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:20.159 Leave, you know, my you know, And I will say this, 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.840 My concern with that is one that there aren't any 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.080 and two that regardless of whether or not these people 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.680 run for reelection, I don't think that they are necessary. 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.959 I think that they're more concerned about, oh, I don't know, 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.320 violence than they receiving, you know, being a product of 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:44.080 MAGA violence than they are about being primaried. And I wonder, like, 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.840 if we won't see I guess well, last question for 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.000 you do you think when you think about what's happening, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.639 what's unfolding. We know that he's going to get in 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.280 and part in these January sixth insurrectionists and set the 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.040 tone of you know, the stand back and stand by 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:06.000 and deputize these militias. What do you think about the 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.080 increase in political violence that could be geared at his 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.159 own people? Frankly, is what I'm thinking. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.560 And we've seen that in over history in American democracy. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:18.159 I mean, like white people have killed other white people 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.200 for trying to do the right thing. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.560 I mean that is part of our history. 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.080 That has been a race from history books as well, right, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:26.719 I mean, like this whole book banning is not new. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:27.960 We've done this time and time again. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.159 It's how you know, so many black families have to 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:34.840 educate their kids after school right about the real America. No, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.359 I think that that's a very real threat, and I 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:39.800 think it's a very real possibility. What I try and 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:46.479 do is explain to sort of white people that if 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.439 Kamala Harris lost, we were boarding up DC because we 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.200 thought that people were going to rip this country apart. 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:54.680 But we had to board up DC because if Donald 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.119 Trump didn't get his way, then he would resort to 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.000 physical violence, like helping them see that we have now 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.560 reached a point where we have allowed specifically white men 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.080 and now growing up or Latino and Asian men, but 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.879 mainly white men, to sort of to say, if I 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.080 don't get my way, I will burn down this country. 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.120 Like that can't be a strategy moving forward in this country. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.879 And so when we think about like, well, you know, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:23.480 working class whites and poor whites, you know, I could 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.240