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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling raivalry.

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Speaker 3: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth. Revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's good, Pollie, Kate, this is a.

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Speaker 2: Big day for a lot of people. We are about

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Speaker 2: to introduce an icon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, actually yes.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of my revel and it's because

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Speaker 2: I've been reveling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah for a long Jenna Jamison, for you

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Speaker 3: is almost a huge part of your I guess, like manhood.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean my life.

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Speaker 3: Well now I'm I'm really intrigued because I I'm always

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Speaker 3: sort of intrigued as to how people get into adult

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Speaker 3: film industry and what sort of motivates them. And Jenna Jamison,

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Speaker 3: I think didn't she have didn't she like, wasn't she

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Speaker 3: the first one to kind of produce and she was

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Speaker 3: a pioneer in videos, right she sort of.

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Speaker 2: I think that she she.

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Speaker 3: Actually made a real business out of it.

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Speaker 2: She's a businesswoman who said all right, well you know

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Speaker 2: you're not going to take You're not just going to

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Speaker 2: take control of me. I'm not just for higher like

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Speaker 2: I know what my worth is and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: sort of capitalize on.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited to just learn pretending from everything.

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Speaker 2: And I don't you know, I do respect her.

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Speaker 3: She is of the time. Really, you know, it was

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Speaker 3: was such a big name, like even you know, the

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Speaker 3: sort of crossover because I I guess at that time

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Speaker 3: it was VHS, wasn't it. So when she started, it

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Speaker 3: wasn't like you had the sort of internet, so there

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Speaker 3: was really a few kind of like households.

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Speaker 2: There were real stars. The industry obviously has changed tremendously.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Well, I'm excited to bring her on. So

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Speaker 3: talk to Jenna.

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Speaker 2: I met her one time my bachelor party.

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Speaker 4: Yeah she won't remember, she won't remember.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in Vegas and she was there and

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Speaker 2: I was like I just went up to him, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: my god, like it's my bachelor party. I just want

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Speaker 2: to say hello. Yeah, and I probably name dropped you.

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Speaker 2: I definitely name Droph My god.

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 2: We were just I know, I know, we were just

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Speaker 2: doing our little intro on you and I was saying

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Speaker 2: I actually met you. I had my bachelor party in Vegas.

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Speaker 2: And I think you were with your first husband or something,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I have to say hi, and

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Speaker 2: I said hi and all that. But of course I

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Speaker 2: name dropped Kate because I read in a magazine and

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Speaker 2: entertainment weekly or something that like, oh, Kate Hudson's one

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Speaker 2: of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that. I'm so excited to meet

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Speaker 3: you and talk to you about your life. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: it's I mean, from on the outside looking in, it

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Speaker 3: seems like it would be wild. And so I can't.

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Speaker 1: Wait an all of great adjective.

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Speaker 3: We Oliver and I we have this thing for for

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Speaker 3: our show where we say we revel in it. And

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Speaker 3: Oliver was like, I really want to bring on Jenna

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Speaker 3: Jameson and and I'm just excited to get to know

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Speaker 3: a little bit about you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I read your first book. You know, I know

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Speaker 2: I know a lot. You know what I mean, you

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Speaker 2: know it was it was it was a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was a lot. And then even more so. And

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Speaker 2: we'll get into all this, but you know there's you're

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Speaker 2: an icon in the sense, not that you were just

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Speaker 2: an adult film actress, but you knew you were worth

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Speaker 2: in the industry and said fuck off. Basically, you're not

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Speaker 2: just going to use me for what I can do.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to monetize and capitalize on my business sense

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to own my shit right And you were.

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Speaker 5: Well, first, weren't used to that sort of thing in

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Speaker 5: my industry, and I saw an opening for a woman

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Speaker 5: I had so many parameters and rules and regulations to

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Speaker 5: what I would do on film. And to my surprise,

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Speaker 5: And I think it's set precedent for a lot of

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Speaker 5: girls in the industry that were the commodity were the

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Speaker 5: important ones, and you do what you're comfortable with and

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Speaker 3: Also, the adult film industry must be so radically different,

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Speaker 3: oh now than it was twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what it's like anymore, you know.

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Speaker 5: I sometimes get girls that message me and they're like, well,

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Speaker 5: what would you do in this instance? And I'm like,

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Speaker 5: it's out of my realm of thinking. I don't even

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Speaker 5: understand everything that they're having to do now.

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Speaker 1: It's just a.

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Speaker 3: Different day and age because it must have been a

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Speaker 3: really small community and now sort of globally it's probably just.

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Speaker 2: Like well, I mean the advent of just the technology,

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Speaker 2: you know, webcams, you know, now porn is watched in

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Speaker 2: little bytes, you know what I mean. There's no longer

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Speaker 2: stories and things, some large productions, you know, which was fun,

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Speaker 1: Become a star nowadays, like back in my day, back.

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Speaker 5: Stone age, you had to have charisma and acting skills

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Speaker 5: and be competent in interviews. Now there is no place

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Speaker 5: for that. So I mean there's something to be said

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Speaker 5: for it, and I love that a lot of girls

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Speaker 5: are capable of doing it without having to you know,

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Speaker 5: jump through the hoops. I jumped through, but I missed

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Speaker 5: the days of they're being polish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I know, I know. And now you get

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Speaker 2: an OnlyFans and someone can make a million dollars in

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Speaker 2: two in a month. Yeah, I mean, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just I swear like if that was around

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Speaker 5: in my day, I don't even know how my career

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Speaker 5: would have panned out. Yeah, As when I was working,

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Speaker 5: there was a very small pool of women that were

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Speaker 5: capable of doing what I was doing. Now it's just

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Speaker 5: so watered down that it pretty much changed all of

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Speaker 5: for me because I, I don't know, I felt like

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Speaker 5: I'm going to turn this into like more like the movies,

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Speaker 5: like real movies, and now it's just different, and you know,

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Speaker 5: it's just the way the world works now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, let's can we start it from the beginning,

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Speaker 3: for for for those who are discovering Jenna Jamison on

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Speaker 3: our on our podcast, Where Where where were you born?

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Speaker 3: Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas?

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Speaker 3: Oh so you're Vegas Sin City girl?

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Speaker 2: And you're Italian, aren't you?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I am.

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Speaker 5: My real name is Jenna Mozzoli. Yeah, oh you're Mazzole,

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Speaker 5: you know, like you're Italian. That is very Italian Mazzoli.

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Speaker 1: Jenna Marial Mazzoli.

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Speaker 3: And and did you was your upbringing? Was it like

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Speaker 3: a traditional upbringing? Was it? Did you have a good

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Speaker 5: And starting from the beginning, I was raised by my father.

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Speaker 5: My mother passed away when I was two from cancer,

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Speaker 5: and my dad was a fantastic father. He allowed me

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Speaker 5: a lot, but also had a lot of rules for me.

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Speaker 1: So I grew up like having worth.

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Speaker 5: And my father was a police officer, so you know,

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Speaker 5: I had to act right. So I was really good

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Speaker 5: in school. I was a cheerleader. I everything that you

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Speaker 1: And then and then, right around.

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Speaker 5: My sophomore year in high school, I started turning into

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Speaker 5: a hot chick.

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Speaker 1: Like I went from.

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Speaker 5: Like nobody ever looked at me to everybody was like, wow,

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Speaker 5: look at Jenna's she's different now. So I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: how do I capitalize on that? I guess that's how

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Speaker 5: my mind has always worked. So I thought, wow, I've

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Speaker 1: Let's do this.

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Speaker 3: So I started stripping, like so like just like, how

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Speaker 3: old were you when you started stripping?

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Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't legal, I will say that, but I

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Speaker 5: the money and how I would compound upon that.

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is a good jumping off point.

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Speaker 5: Now that that is not a good jumping off point

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Speaker 1: Anymore.

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Speaker 5: So I was just able to turn it into something big,

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Speaker 5: I just knew how to catapult myself out of just

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Speaker 3: So so you went from stripping and then what was

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Speaker 3: that when when? Like when were you approached.

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Speaker 2: Pretty supportive of all this? Well, maybe I got that wrong.

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Speaker 2: I kind of remember in the book, I kept.

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Speaker 5: My father in the dark because I was kind of

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Speaker 5: the golden child. He was like, you know, my daughter,

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Speaker 5: she's so smart, she's so pretty and capable.

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Speaker 1: And I remember.

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Speaker 5: Going and trying out at the Crazy Horse too here

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Speaker 1: And not my dad not knowing.

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Speaker 5: And I finally once I got the job and I

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Speaker 1: He started looking at me like, Jenna, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: And I finally just sat down and said, Dad, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is what I'm doing. And I've always been so

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Speaker 5: You know, no drugs, no running around, no all hours

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Speaker 5: I was going to school it during the day and

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: So then, okay, so how were you approached, Like, were

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Speaker 3: you approached by someone for adult film? Was it something

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Speaker 3: that you got into it?

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Speaker 1: Kind of like.

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Speaker 5: I remember being on stage and a girl was watching me,

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Speaker 5: was like, like really looking at me. And after I

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Speaker 5: got off stage, she approached me and said, Jenna, you

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Speaker 5: know you're you have something really special. I would love

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Speaker 5: to photograph you. So I was like, well, what kind

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Speaker 5: of photographs? Like what are we talking about here? And

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Speaker 5: she was like, yeah, there's there's a lot of openings

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Speaker 5: for like adult magazines. And I was like, okay, let's go,

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Speaker 5: you know, because I knew that that was another stepping

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Speaker 1: That's what I thought in my young head.

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Speaker 5: And so I just started doing NUDI magazines and I

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Speaker 5: think my first magazine was.

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Speaker 2: Penthouse what was your what was your as a kid?

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Speaker 2: Why do you think you did? What's the special sauce?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think well, I think that it was a

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Speaker 5: But I also was really myself. I when I worked,

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Speaker 1: There was just a connection.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've grown and I've you know, grown into

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Speaker 5: I think that because I had so many rules, you

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Speaker 5: It was me for sure, because I okayed the scripts.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, And did you enjoy being like an object

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Speaker 6: Like I'd always like without the person out, without any connection,

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: I really liked it because I was always such an

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Speaker 1: Wanted them to be like, Wow, there's so much more

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Speaker 5: So I know a lot of women in the industry obviously,

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Speaker 5: A few magazines had come out, and I was contacted.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Up and Comer.

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Speaker 1: I love that, you know it.

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Speaker 3: Of course, that guy was such a weird looking dude

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Speaker 2: It was like it was a weird and he was

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Speaker 1: It was totally like seventies five. Yeah, it was seventies five. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, well, I already knew the question when

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know a lot of people say that to me,

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Speaker 5: Like I was just like, okay, gonna turn it on,

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Speaker 3: I I, god, I'm so I can't even imagine watch it.

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Speaker 2: An iconic scene, so like I'm so fascinated, like especially

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Speaker 3: And she just said, I got to prove.

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Speaker 1: Something, right now, I'm going to show people what I'm what.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, and I think that I don't know how

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Speaker 5: You know, I knew after those few scenes because I

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Speaker 5: And then did you know, a boy girl with him,

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Speaker 5: big of a deal.

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00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a one time thing.

446
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 5: And then I realized, hey, this this could be big.

447
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 5: I could I could like catapult myself through this because

448
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 5: the minute I did that movie, I was approached to

449
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 5: become a contract girl with wicked pictures and vivid videos.

450
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 5: So I was like, oh my gosh, I could become

451
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 5: a really big star in this industry. And then from that,

452
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 5: I could, you know, write it into mainstream because in

453
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 5: my day, everything was dependent on your mainstream merge.

454
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: So I knew that.

455
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 5: I had it in me to host something or be

456
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 5: in movies. I never thought I was that great of

457
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 5: an actress, but I was like, you.

458
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: Know, let me, let me try.

459
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 5: So from there, I ended up getting scouted by the

460
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 5: E Channel and hosting a show called wild On.

461
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: For that right, and then you were with Stern. Yeah,

462
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: private parts.

463
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: That was so much fun. Like Howard was pivotal.

464
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's like my idol. I fucking love him

465
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: so much. I still listened to him every day.

466
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 5: So many people don't really realize what kind of a

467
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: man he is because on camera he's wild. Yeah, but

468
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 5: he really he's just such an angel.

469
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 3: He's such he's so lovely.

470
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 5: Remember first meeting him and being on his show and

471
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 5: him taking me aside afterwards and saying, you have that,

472
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: you have it, and I'm going to help you. And

473
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 5: I so wasn't used to anybody helping me that. When

474
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 5: he said that, I was just like, you know, wow,

475
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 5: like I am now dedicated to this person.

476
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: And I was on a show I don't even know

477
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: how many times.

478
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, after that.

479
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: And then you put me in his movie.

480
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: And then after the scene after the up and comers

481
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: like Randy West scene, when that was all done, was

482
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: there a feeling of I can fucking do this? Or

483
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: was there any like drop in depression of sort of

484
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: like holy fuck, what did I just do?

485
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, there was no going back.

486
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: You were like just I was like all.

487
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I could think of was I'm going to dominate this industry.

488
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just about to ask that, like, did

489
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: you have this motivation of like, holy shit, wait a minute,

490
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: I'm not just this one scene. Wonder I can fucking

491
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: take over this industry.

492
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: I remember the dialogue in my brain.

493
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 5: I hated the fact that it was so male ruled

494
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 5: it was ruled by men, and I wanted to change that.

495
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 5: I was like, let me at this and I'll start small,

496
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: and I will and you know, look at I ended

497
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 5: up owning my own company and having my own contract

498
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 5: girls and changing things for girls. You know, the first

499
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 5: movies I did, in comparison to the movies I produced

500
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: with other women as my contract girls, it's.

501
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: Night and day.

502
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: So how much felt like I was able to do

503
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: what I set out to do, and that was to

504
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 5: you know, give some sort of validity.

505
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: And how much did the patriarchy of this industry sort

506
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: of push against you trying to be what you became?

507
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Big big, big, big big?

508
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: And how did you face that? What did you do?

509
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: You just kept punching.

510
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: Basically, Listen, I'm a pretty formidable person.

511
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: And I remember having meetings with you know, big time,

512
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: big time people and just steamrolling, you.

513
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Know, because I understood the back end.

514
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: Of it right nice.

515
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I just I knew what I had to do.

516
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: I held true to my beliefs, and I conquered it.

517
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 5: And then once I had started, like the mainstream started knocking,

518
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: then I had all the power. Right then, I was like,

519
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 5: okay for me to do a movie. It's this much

520
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: money and it was unheard of in my business.

521
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: Then did you Were you the pioneer of sort of

522
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: owning your having your own contract girls and you know,

523
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: being separate from sort of the bigger conglomerates.

524
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

525
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing is, there were companies obviously that

526
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: had contact girls prior to me coming on the scene,

527
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 5: but it just was a different dynamic. I I made

528
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 5: demands that were unheard of. I remember writing contracts and

529
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 5: putting things in just to test the waters, just to

530
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 5: see will they agree to this? And they did and

531
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 5: that kind of set the stage for all the girls

532
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 5: that came after me.

533
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: Was there anyone that you looked up to, like when

534
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: you started in the industry that you were like, oh,

535
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: I like the way she's handled her career an adult

536
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: film or was there no one that had that at

537
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: the time.

538
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 5: No, I mean I really was flying blind. I mean

539
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: there were contract girls that were absolutely stunning.

540
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, seeing.

541
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 5: People like Janine and a few of the Vivid girls

542
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 5: and just thinking they're just incredible. These women are incredible

543
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: and I love their power and how they come across.

544
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: But nobody was negotiating contracts the way I knew I

545
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 5: could because I had a business mind, and nobody expected it,

546
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 5: like I took them by surprise. So I realized pretty

547
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 5: early on that I had the books, I was able

548
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 5: to be a contract girl caliber looks wise, but they

549
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: just didn't know what was underneath, which was a pretty

550
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 5: shrewd business mind.

551
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: So so when did it start to kind of when

552
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: did you start to look at your career and go

553
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: it might be time to hang it up, like put

554
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: it aside? Was it was it? You know? And and

555
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: also as a second part to that question, I mean

556
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: obviously looks and physicality and body image and all of

557
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: those things, you know, did you feel the pressure to

558
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: have to maintain that, keep that up? And you know

559
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: what has the aging process been like throughout a longer podcast?

560
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: Okay, for your first question.

561
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 5: I listen, I just kind of I'm a gut person

562
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 5: where I just kind of knew what I needed to

563
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 5: do and I never second guessed myself. So but when

564
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 5: it came to looks and all of that, there was

565
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 5: there was incredible pressure. Obviously, It's kind of just like

566
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 5: the modeling world, you have to you know, stay in well,

567
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 5: especially as a contract girl, you have to stay in shape,

568
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 5: and I just it always, luckily enough, came pretty natural

569
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: to me because I was young and active and all

570
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 5: those kind of things. So and I didn't work often.

571
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 5: I mean in my contracts, I think at the I

572
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 5: would work four times a year, So it wasn't a

573
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 5: huge amount of work, right, Most of my work was

574
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: just being on the road promoting all the stuff that

575
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: I was doing. So I just I feel that I

576
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 5: was incredibly blessed, Like all the timing was very right

577
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 5: for me, and I don't know if it could ever

578
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 5: be emulated, because it was the right time.

579
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: I was the right girl.

580
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 5: I made the right decisions and it worked out, thank god,

581
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: you know. And I think an interesting part of this

582
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 5: whole thing is that a lot of people ask me, like,

583
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 5: how did you transition out?

584
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: Like you said, I I spent a long time.

585
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 5: Proving myself to be worth more than just being a

586
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 5: beautiful body.

587
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: I was able.

588
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 5: To gain traction in the mainstream world when it came to,

589
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 5: you know, being able to use my brain. So thank god,

590
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 5: I saw that in the beginning that I had to

591
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 5: establish that and people could count on me.

592
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: I was smart and I showed up.

593
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: I was never late and I handled business and now

594
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 5: that you know, life has happened, children have happened, relationships

595
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 5: have happened.

596
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Now I'm kind of it's come full circle.

597
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 5: Now and I'm like back and it feels good. I

598
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 5: don't know, life is just funny.

599
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: Well, you had some health stuff. I want to get

600
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: into that serious health. So we got I want to

601
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: wrap up this this part of your life because I

602
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: want to get into that. I'm so fascinated by what

603
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 4: the fuck happened?

604
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: You know.

605
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Crazy. But but first of all, do you once you

606
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: left and hung up the cleat, so to speak, was

607
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: there anything that you missed? Is there anything that you

608
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: sort of you know, longed for in the industry? Yeah?

609
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: Or once you hung them up, you're like, I'm done,

610
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: this is it?

611
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: No?

612
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 5: I was so ready, and you know, my dad always

613
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: told me, if you get an inkling that's something like

614
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 5: it's just not.

615
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: Sitting right, get out. Yeah, don't let it play out.

616
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 5: And I felt like my career had kind of run

617
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 5: its course and it's important to go out when you're

618
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 5: on top, don't let things wind down. So I think

619
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 5: it's kind of a famous moment when I went up

620
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: on the Avan Awards and said, I will never spread

621
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 5: my legs.

622
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: In this industry, and I meant it. I was done.

623
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: I was finished.

624
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 5: And it was so shocking to people that I was

625
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 5: at the pinnacle of my career. And I loved that

626
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 5: idea of like being a superstar and saying I'm done

627
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: and moving on.

628
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: Did you when you did your last scene? Did you

629
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: know it was your last scene? Yes? You did?

630
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: I did.

631
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 5: Wow, And I mean I it was like it every

632
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 5: day for me. It was like, let me get this done,

633
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 5: let me show them what they're going to miss and uh.

634
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 5: And I just walked off set and I was just.

635
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: Like, ah, I'm done.

636
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

637
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 5: I love being like the master of my own destiny.

638
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: I just you know, I do what I say and

639
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: I say what I do.

640
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: So so one more question. I want to get to

641
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: the back half of your life so far the heart

642
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: give what's the story of the heartbreaker tattoo? I got? Like,

643
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 2: how did that happen?

644
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: It's like breaker tattoo on a tush.

645
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: It's like the most iconic tattoo and porn.

646
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: Oh it's on your tush, right, it's on the button.

647
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like it's you know, it's again iconic.

648
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 5: It is it is, And when I got it, I

649
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 5: didn't think it would be iconic. I had no clue

650
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: because I was very young when I got it. Shouldn't

651
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 5: have been getting a tattoo. But leave that up to me.

652
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 5: My dad all my life said to me, Jenna, you're

653
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 5: you're going to be a heartbreaker. And I never really

654
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: understood what that meant. I was just like, oh, it's

655
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 5: like my little Moniker.

656
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: And I got it.

657
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 5: When I was in my teens, and it was just

658
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: kind of what I was known for was being a

659
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 5: little heartbreaker. And I don't think it was about breaking

660
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: boy's hearts. It was more like I just kind of

661
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 5: went against the grain all my life.

662
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: I was like, I I.

663
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: Just did what I want it and it broke hearts.

664
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: Amazing.

665
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: Well, let's get into what's been happening now in your life.

666
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when you when you when you

667
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: decided to retire from adult films, then would you take

668
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: a break? I mean, did you? What did you start

669
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: to do?

670
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 5: It's kind of a hard transition because once you're known

671
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 5: for that, it's it's really hard to like be known

672
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 5: for anything else.

673
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: And I don't think you really can.

674
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 5: And I realize that now because I'll forever be Jenna Jamison.

675
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: And I I.

676
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 5: Really just wanted to have a normal life, as normal

677
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 5: as I could. So I decided I was going to

678
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 5: have like, get married and have children and try to

679
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 5: live a very easy mom lifestyle.

680
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: And were you able to accomplish that? I mean, is

681
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: that is that?

682
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? So that's kind of it.

683
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not successful with men.

684
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, you don't need to be anymore. You found the

685
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: love of your life.

686
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, my picker is really broken when it comes

687
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: to men. I mean I should have done that from

688
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: the beginning.

689
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

690
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.

691
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 5: Got married and realized, okay, wait, that's not a good idea.

692
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: Divorced. Then got with Tito Ortiz, who I mean, he's

693
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: he's special.

694
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 5: And he's the father of my twins. And my boys

695
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 5: are absolutely amazing. They're just fantastic kids and they're big

696
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 5: boys now. And horribly relationship didn't work out.

697
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: Uh, and then you know, my life is like it's

698
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: like a book.

699
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: There a couple of them, right, I need to get right.

700
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: For another book, I think.

701
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just like once that happened, it I

702
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 5: was like, well maybe maybe I am gay because that

703
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 5: That's always been in the back of my.

704
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: Mind, like, am I just with men? Because I want children?

705
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 5: That that was like my main driving force was I

706
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: wanted my babies. I wanted to be a mother. It's

707
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 5: I've always been really maternal. So once that fell apart,

708
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: I was like, well, I mean I've got to start

709
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 5: looking inside and really am I gay? So I dated

710
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 5: a few girls and I was like, oh, okay, this

711
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 5: is awesome.

712
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: I love this.

713
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 5: And then that maternal thing came knocking again, and I'm like, well,

714
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 5: maybe Tito just wasn't the.

715
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: Right guy for me.

716
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 5: And I ended up, you know, with my daughter's father,

717
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: and it was a beautiful experience. I got a taste

718
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: of so many different things culture wise.

719
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: He's Israeli, so in order to have a Jewish.

720
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 5: Baby, the mom has to be Jewish, which is beautiful.

721
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 5: So I converted. So that was like a year long

722
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 5: study because I converted Orthodox.

723
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

724
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: So if you were a practicing Orthodox asolute, you have.

725
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 5: To you have to practice for a year before they

726
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 5: will even consider you to convert.

727
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: So I had to live the full lifestyle.

728
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: Wow.

729
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: It was not easy.

730
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: That's difficult at all.

731
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: But I accomplished it, and.

732
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 5: My baby was born little Jewish princess, and because I

733
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 5: think really it didn't come down to the religion that

734
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 5: was important to me. For her, it was more citizenship

735
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 5: in Israel because if you're born Jewish, you automatically get

736
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 5: citizenship in Israel. So her, you know, her father, his

737
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 5: whole family lives there, and I wanted her to have

738
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 5: that choice. So that's really where it kind of stemmed,

739
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 5: is I wanted my child to have every opportunity.

740
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was really amazing though educational, I mean,

741
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: whatever happens happens. But even going through that, you've done

742
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: something that most people have never done or experienced, you know,

743
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: in more ways than one.

744
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: So what happened with your with the health issues? Because

745
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: I know I remember seeing something about it on one

746
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: of those magazines.

747
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've read I've read it on it too.

748
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Where nine months in the fucking hospital, no one knows

749
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: what's going on, You're like, I'm.

750
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: Out of here it Well, how did you end up

751
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: in the hospital in the first place?

752
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So it all started.

753
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 5: Like I just started collapsing and I had no idea why,

754
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 5: like just lost all mobility and was collapsing in the

755
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: shower and finally I was alone and I had to

756
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 5: call an ambulance because I couldn't get up, and went

757
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 5: to the hospital and they ran literally hundreds of tests,

758
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 5: spinal taps, cat scans, MRIs, all the things, and they

759
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 5: couldn't put their finger on it, and they kept diagnosing

760
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 5: me with something different. And I don't know if you,

761
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 5: I'm sure you understand that, Like when they give you

762
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: a diagnosis that is kind of a death sentence, it

763
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 5: kind of it messes you up, like it I checked

764
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 5: out when they initially diagnosed me with guillom beret, and

765
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 5: that is a death sentence, and it was incredible, frightening.

766
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 5: And I lived with that diagnosis for about a month

767
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 5: and a half in the hospital and they were giving

768
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 5: me all these treatments ibig, all these different infusions and everything,

769
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 5: and my cell count wasn't getting better. So they were like, well,

770
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 5: maybe that's not the problem. And I'm like, wait, there's

771
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 5: a possibility of me not having it, and thank god

772
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: I didn't have that. So they started running another battery

773
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: of tests and.

774
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Came to a few conclusions.

775
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 5: I had very elevated white blood cell counts, a lot

776
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 5: of just odd things in my blood, and so I

777
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 5: just continued with physical therapy in the hospital and just

778
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 5: trying to put my finger on what was happening. Finally,

779
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 5: after months, they said, well, we can't figure out what

780
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 5: is happening.

781
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: What's going on with you?

782
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 5: So they thought that it could be something called conversion syndrome,

783
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 5: where it's kind of a mental issue where your brain

784
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 5: converts like problematic thinking into physical symptoms. And I was like, okay.

785
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: So.

786
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: How do we cure this? Is there a cure for this?

787
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 5: And they said, no, this is just the way it is,

788
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 5: and you have to like have therapy and do all

789
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 5: these different things. And that's when I kind of said

790
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 5: to myself, I need to take the reins back.

791
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't tell everybody.

792
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 5: I don't think people should not listened to their doctors,

793
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 5: but sometimes you just really have to trust your gut.

794
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: And I just didn't feel like things were happening correctly.

795
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 5: So I broke myself out of the hospital in a

796
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 5: wheelchair and put myself in a taxi and I went

797
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 5: home and I started at home physical therapy, eating right,

798
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 5: getting my mental health back, and slowly but surely I've

799
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: come back to life.

800
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: Is this before Jesse. Yes, okay, so who did what

801
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: was your support system?

802
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: At the time, I had no support systems.

803
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: You were solo.

804
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 5: And I came home from the hospital. My ex left,

805
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 5: so I came home to an empty home.

806
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

807
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 5: So that wasn't easy mentally, but I'm obviously a pretty

808
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 5: strong girl, and I I just knew that I had

809
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 5: had two choices to live or to die, and I

810
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 5: wanted to live. So I put my mind to it.

811
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 5: And during that journey back to good mental health, I

812
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 5: met Jesse and we just became friends. And I mean,

813
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, I was like, I want to

814
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 5: bag this chick, right, I just love everything that.

815
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: Where did you guys meet?

816
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 5: Well, she's pretty famous on TikTok, so at the time

817
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 5: I was alone and I was watching a lot of

818
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 5: TikTok and I was just like, I really like her

819
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 5: viewpoint on things like she does she pulls no punches, and.

820
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like that.

821
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 5: I just say it like it is, and I'm like, wow,

822
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 5: we would be a good team. So I just started

823
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: like leaving comments, you know, like hey, and sooner or

824
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 5: later she noticed and was like, who's because my moniker

825
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 5: is Jenna Can't Lose on social media and she was like,

826
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 5: who's this Jenna can't Lose and she went to my

827
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 5: site and was like, that's Jenna Jameson.

828
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, So that's how it all started.

829
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 5: And at the time, I was like headstrong into holistic

830
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 5: treatments because I had kind of sworn off hospitals and doctors.

831
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 5: And my best friend here in Las Vegas owns a

832
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 5: wellness company and he was like, you know what, let's

833
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 5: let's try the holistic approach and see if your body responds.

834
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 5: And I started doing hyperbaric treatments and any D treatments,

835
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 5: which is like an infusion of vitamins and everything.

836
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 2: It pushes talks out and that's goodnxiety.

837
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's amazing. And I started seeing myself come back

838
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 5: to life because they were doing these brain scans. And

839
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 5: my first brain scan, my brain was like.

840
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: Black, and I'm like, am I going to do a

841
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: brain scan?

842
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 5: Am I truly dead inside? So after every treatment, you

843
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 5: could see my brain sparking and coming back to life

844
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 5: like reds and greens and blues, and I think being

845
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 5: able to see the process happening, yeah, it gave me.

846
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes it real, right, it's like you

847
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: see it and you're like, oh, it makes it much more,

848
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 3: much more real. I'm so glad we should start wrapping

849
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 3: this up. But I'm so glad that you were able

850
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 3: to get your especially just your mental health, you know,

851
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: in a better place, because it's.

852
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 5: So important and to people out there that that kind

853
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 5: of push their needs aside and ignore it, it manifests.

854
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 5: It's so important to take care of your brain and

855
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 5: feel comfortable because you'll end up sick.

856
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: So and are you back, I mean, are you fully healthy?

857
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: You know I am.

858
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 5: I'm on my feet, I'm walking unaided, which I never

859
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 5: thought it was going to happen again. You know, I

860
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 5: was with a walker for a long time and now yeah,

861
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 5: it's so funny. Well not funny, but it's for a

862
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 5: long time I had such numb spots and now I

863
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 5: can feel everything.

864
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: I remember things.

865
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 5: And that's part of the mental health issue, is that

866
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 5: I'm the kind of person that if I am struggling,

867
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 5: I black out on major.

868
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: Instances in my life.

869
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 5: So everything has come into full color for me again

870
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 5: and I feel like I have it in me and

871
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 5: it's just exciting to be back.

872
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what's the plan what's the future.

873
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: Well, I have, Yeah, that's I mean, I have. But

874
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: what for me? I really want to ask you, like,

875
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 3: you know, what is one saying like in your life

876
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: your career And it's again all all of that like

877
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: preconceived notion of how people see you and what they

878
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: want from you and the kinds of questions that you get,

879
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: including the questions we're asking you. But what is the

880
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: one thing you wish people would ask you?

881
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 5: Like?

882
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you wish you would get more.

883
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: Of or that someone would know about you that they don't.

884
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I've always been such an open book.

885
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 5: I think that's a good thing and a bad thing.

886
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 5: But I for me, it really is the connection, the

887
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 5: female connection that I'm able to kind of make a

888
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 5: difference to other women that are going through so many things.

889
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 5: I like for them to be able to look at

890
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 5: me as you know, a cautionary tale like this is

891
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 5: what could happen, and this is what could happen. So

892
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 5: I am an open book and I just want to

893
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 5: show everybody out there that no matter how hard it gets,

894
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 5: there's always a way back.

895
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 7: Hey up, Well I've always loved you, but now I

896
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 7: think I'm in love with you.

897
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: Don't tell. Don't tell, Jesse, and I won't tell you.

898
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: Don't tell. My wife she's in love with you too.

899
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 4: Well.

900
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: I adore both of you. Thank you so much for

901
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: having me.

902
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 5: This is the kind of thing that that fills me up,

903
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 5: like to know that there are people that care and

904
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 5: I appreciate you.

905
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: Well, you're you're such a force and I was so

906
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: excited to talk to you, you know, because of just

907
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: what you've been through, what you've accomplished. You know, people

908
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: might look at the industry that you were in and think, oh,

909
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: it's just that, but you were a true pioneer. You know,

910
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: you were a business woman and you were able again,

911
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: like I said, to know your worth and capitalize on

912
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 2: that in an industry that is just sort of dominated

913
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: by men. It's very it's very cool. It's very cool youth.

914
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 3: Oh Ja Jameson.

915
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: She isn't the greatest.

916
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: I really that was so.

917
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 2: What a woman? What a woman?

918
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 3: Well? No, but it's it is, you know, I really

919
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 3: I just think, you know, let's let's just use this.

920
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: I mean male, it's just so male.

921
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: No it's not. Yes, but she's so smart and I know, but.

922
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 3: But what I want to say is I don't want

923
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 3: What I want to say is is like I love

924
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: interviewing her because I think people there's so many people

925
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: out in the world that just don't even under like

926
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: give it a chance, because they just look so down

927
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: on the industry, on the sex industry and adult filmmaking,

928
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: and but like when I think the most important thing

929
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: is to just get to the heart of who somebody is.

930
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: Well, you said it, really well, you said, look, obviously,

931
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: especially nowadays where pornography the content, there's so much of

932
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: it and everyone's looking for new, new, new, that these

933
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: girls are definitely exploited. There's absolutely no doubt about it,

934
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: you know. I mean it's sad, and it was a

935
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: different time back then. Yeah, I think you had much

936
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: more of a choice, although I'm sure there was some

937
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: dark shit going on a lot as well, a lot,

938
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, But you said that. But at the same time,

939
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: Jenna sort of knew, you know, what she was doing.

940
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: She seemed to be fully in control, you know.

941
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is my choice, right, and as control as

942
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: she could be. I mean, clearly she even said, like

943
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 3: you know, the cautionary tale, but then look and then

944
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: look what can happen? Like I think that, you know,

945
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: I think there's there's owning your choices, but also just

946
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: just really getting to understand like what someone went through

947
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: in order to end up in that position. You know

948
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: that you didn't have to come from the most fucked

949
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: up family to be an adult film star. That she

950
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: get a cop as a dad, and she was in

951
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: you know, a smart student and she just was like,

952
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to dance like you know. So it didn't

953
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 3: come from a place.

954
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: Of her book. You should honestly read it.

955
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: It's kind of really interesting, I really and she's so

956
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: kind and sweet, and I want to make a movie Jenna.

957
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's time her whole upbringing. Yeah,

958
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: she started dancing the thing. Her story is fucking incredible.

959
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of the So there's a lot of adult

960
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 3: film star stories who are incredible. I mean, Tracy Lord's

961
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: story is unbelievable and also another iconic adult film star,

962
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: but a very like more tragic story. And but but.

963
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: I I don't think you get bigger than Jennet Jamison. Now,

964
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: you just don't, like we just interviewed, you know, like

965
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: the Marlon Brando of porn, or like the Meryl Street

966
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: of porn, or what not Ron Jeremy though he's in jail. Oh,

967
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: actually they took it out of jail because he's got

968
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: complete he was found not fit to stand trial because

969
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: he was going to go to that mean he was like,

970
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, breaking bathrooms all fucking crazy. She's a picture

971
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: of that guy looks, but he's got dementia. He's got

972
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: all time, he's got everything, and now he's just gonna

973
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: dieing some of the home He's Yeah, whatever, I had

974
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: a huge schlang, big beef steak.

975
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: What have I gotten myself into this? Listen, I I

976
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 3: the Randy West because I feel like I'm just I mean.

977
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: I knew it all. I knew what she was going

978
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: to say, even want to even I was going to say,

979
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: so your first was Randy West, up and comers. I

980
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: didn't want to say it, but I knew it.

981
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 3: Such Scott, listen, I love you.

982
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm reveling in it as we should on these revel but.

983
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: I will say all you were really sweet and you

984
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 3: really did like I you know, it was really it

985
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: was really amazing to get to know how how strong

986
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: she was in the industry and like how I mean

987
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: talk about that was fun talk about a challenging thing

988
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 3: to be able to do, and that she's she's just tough,

989
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 3: tough as nails, and okay, that was fun.

990
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: Beat that next week wringing.

991
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, probably someone who's like, you know, meditate.

992
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: It's like Mikailoff.

993
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: Next week.

994
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 3: That's not a bad idea to do, Mika. It should

995
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: be one of your I would love to do that.

996
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 3: I would love to do him as.

997
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: A That's a great idea.

998
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: All right, I love you.