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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Hello out there, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: How's it going. I'm Eli, I'm Diana, So good day,

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Speaker 1: see you all again, see you in our mind's eye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah and our mind's eye, y'all are all really hot,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, and our mind's eyes always accurate. So congrat congrats. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well done, well done to everyone. You're hella attractive. Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: how's everybody doing. Hope it's been going well well in January? Now?

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Speaker 1: Oh oh oh, okay, Well look, we won't talk about

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Speaker 1: it too much because I know I think only fifteen

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Speaker 1: of you care. But Expanse finale was so good. It's

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Speaker 1: so good, I'll tell you what. Still, we've been singing

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Speaker 1: its praises on this show since the beginning. But if

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Speaker 1: you haven't watched the Expanse from beginning to end, it

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Speaker 1: is a very good show. It really is. And there's

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Speaker 1: so few shows that can say that, right, that are like, hold,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Expanse starts okay and good one. I was

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Speaker 1: just gonna say season one it took us a minute

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Speaker 1: You know, you have to really pay attention and catch

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Speaker 1: up to like the politics of what's happening and how

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Speaker 1: the world works and everything. But it's some is better

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Speaker 1: than it's parts of season one. Yeah, but once you

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Speaker 1: get to the end, it's like, Okay, I get it now, Yes,

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Speaker 1: this all makes sense that this is great, and then

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Speaker 1: it's just a great show. Is good? Yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: really and the characters and the acting. We could go

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Speaker 1: if you want, if you want us to do an

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Speaker 1: expanse rewatch podcast on the side, we want to, So

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Speaker 1: whole show soon, we might as well talk about it.

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Speaker 1: And if you feel like listening, that's on you, and

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Speaker 1: that's on you. It's your time. But but again we

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Speaker 1: could go on. We won't believe you. Be um, We'll

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Speaker 1: get to this show which is about not about space. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot left to banner about. But

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Speaker 1: there is a reason we picked this story today, because

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Speaker 1: this is not any old episode. If you've been keeping

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Speaker 1: counted home and you don't include our trailer or our

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Speaker 1: minisotea about word, do you know what number episode? This is?

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Speaker 1: Ses be excellent to each other and party on. Dudes,

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Speaker 1: We're not doing the Bill and Ted episode now, just

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Speaker 1: we just told the sixty nine joke. No, The reason

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Speaker 1: we picked this episode for our sixty nine because we

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Speaker 1: just wanted something extra raunchy and dirty, and boy we

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Speaker 1: found it with James Joyce and Nora Barnacle. They were

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Speaker 1: in this lovely, wonderful couple from eight hundreds Ireland. Of course,

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Speaker 1: James Joyce, you know, is the famous author of Finnegan's

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Speaker 1: Wake Dubliners, and of course Ulysses and Nora Barnacle was

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Speaker 1: this amazing woman who met and fell in love with him,

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Speaker 1: and together they shared some of the filthy, ist, raunchius

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Speaker 1: Let's do this. Hey, their French come listen. Well, Eli

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Speaker 1: and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no match

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Speaker 1: making a romantic tips, It's just about ridiculous relationships. A

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Speaker 1: were the second Glance show Ridiculous Roletts A production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio James Augustine Aloysius Joyce was born on

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Speaker 1: February second of eighty two in Dublin, Ireland. Now he

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Speaker 1: According to Britannica dot COM's biography of James Joyce, so

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Speaker 1: and while he was home he taught himself as best

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Speaker 1: nine year old James Joyce, who wrote this poem again

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Speaker 1: called it to Heally, where he compared Parnell to Caesar

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Speaker 1: in poetry corner for nine year old James Joyce's at

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Speaker 1: two Healy his quaint perched area on the crags of

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Speaker 1: Joyce had a terrible fear of thunder and lightning, which

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Speaker 1: The next year, still home in Dublin, he met Nora Barnicle.

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Speaker 1: he quote stole out of his sick room in spite

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Speaker 1: find a fruit tree to stand under, because it just

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why the moon's in it.

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Speaker 1: If it's raining, my picture makes no meteorological sense. But

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Speaker 1: James Joyce, in his final short story in Dubliners, which

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Speaker 1: didn't go to the theater or a restaurant or anything

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00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: like that. They just took this long romantic walk down

425
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: by the harbor. Nora had to be back at Finns

426
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: for work, Am, So they just, you know, they just

427
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: got to know each other as quickly as they could,

428
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: by which, of course, I mean that she gave him

429
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: a hand job on the street in the dark. Nora,

430
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: this was the first day. Girl. This was crazy behavior

431
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: for James, especially like the women in his life, his mother,

432
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: his sisters, that the Catholic nuns who taught him they

433
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: had always been very prudish and pious and speculation station.

434
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: James was probably not a virgin at this point, but

435
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: he certainly didn't expect a back alley tugger from a

436
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: woman on the first day. You know, He's like, oh,

437
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: this evening took an unexpected term. I'm putting this in

438
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: the book. But they both fell hard for each other.

439
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: Within a week, Nora had written her first letter to James,

440
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: which said, with no punctuation, quote, my precious darling, aligned

441
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: to let you know I can't possibly meet you this

442
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: evening as we are busy, but if it is convenient

443
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: for you on Saturday evening, same place, with love from

444
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: and Barnacle excuse. Writing in haste, he was like, I

445
00:26:53,240 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: ain't busy Saturday night, same place. I'll be there, girl,

446
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: I will be there. They started to spend so much

447
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: time together that James's friends got resentful. Tail as old

448
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: at time, his brother said that that summer, James was

449
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: quote obsessed with sin. That's like I couldn't say handing

450
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: jobs in front of the priest, but she would not

451
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: let him reciprocate. New York Times says that Nora and

452
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: James both believed it was more sinful for him to

453
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: touch her than the other way around. Boo, that's some bullshit.

454
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: That all probably changed in October when together they left

455
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Dublin for Zurich, Switzerland, and it was there in neutral

456
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: territory on October eleven that they slept together for the

457
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: first time. And within a month of them leaving Ireland,

458
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: Norah was pregnant, so they were really getting it. That's

459
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: what happens. She was like, now that you can touch me,

460
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: let's do this all. He had a job teaching English

461
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: to naval officers, which he hated, so as soon as

462
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: they could, they left for Trieste, Italy, where he got

463
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: a job teaching at the Berlitz School. Over the next

464
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: few years they moved around a lot, from Trieste to

465
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: Rome and brief stays back in Dublin. James was teaching

466
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: and trying to write. On the side he was working.

467
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: He was putting Dubliners together and trying to get that

468
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: published and his book Stephen Hero. He also started to

469
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: work on Ulysses, which was originally conceived as a short story.

470
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: Can you imagine as Ulysses is over seven hundred pages long.

471
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: He's like turns out I had a lot more to say.

472
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: In nineteen oh six, Nora was pregnant again and James

473
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: had to pick up some extra work tutoring, and now

474
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: he's got less time to write. But look quick summary.

475
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Eventually he wrote Portrait of an Artist as a young Man,

476
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: and he wrote Ulysses, and he went back to get

477
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Dubliners published, and he became James Joyce. Like famous author

478
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: James James Joyce, we're not here for all that. There

479
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: are plenty of biographies about James Joyce's life and they

480
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: are very interesting. The research I was doing, I was like,

481
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: this guy's fascinating, but we're here for the romance. We

482
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about him and Nora specifically, without getting

483
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: two into the weeds. And in nineteen o nine things

484
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: between the two of them were going hot, heavy and freaky.

485
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: If you thought that midnight city street hand jobs were

486
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: wild Gergia Lloyds people, because we're about to get into it.

487
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: James Joyce was pretty reserved in his personal language. He

488
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: did not really curse. He didn't think vulgarity was interesting

489
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: in casual conversation. We probably wouldn't get along too well.

490
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: So that makes his later letters to Nora even more outrageous.

491
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: Now we don't have Nora's responses to these letters, very unfortunately,

492
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: I wish. But in n Richard Ellman published a book

493
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: called Selected Joyce Letters. And might remember Richard Elman as

494
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote like the definitive Oscar Wild biography

495
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: that was in our Oscar Wild episode. Now that book

496
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: is now out of print, and there are certainly some

497
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: ethical questions that have been long debated around publishing these

498
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: very personal and very private letters for the public to read.

499
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Um And we'll talk about that a bet afterwards, but

500
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: as of now, you know, these are abundantly available online

501
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: and we're going to read you some selections here. These

502
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: letters were from when Joyce went back to Dublin alone

503
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: for the first time and he missed Norah terribly. The

504
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: two had never married, but never felt the need. There

505
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: was something special between them that couldn't be defined by

506
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: traditional marriage rights. So let's take a look at a

507
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: few pieces of one of Joyce's letters so we can

508
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: see what that bond might have been. And just be warned,

509
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: this language gets absolutely filthy, but it's okay because it's

510
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: one of Western literature is great writers. So this actually

511
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: counts as educational smut. Yes, yes, this is highbrow filth,

512
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: This is literary December three nine, Quote, my darling little

513
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: convent girl, there is some star too near the earth.

514
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: For I am still in fever fit of animal desire.

515
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Perhaps the coarseness of my earlier letters has disgusted you.

516
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: It was you, yourself, you hot little girl, who first

517
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: wrote to me saying that you were longing to be

518
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: fucked by me. Yet I suppose the wild filth and

519
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: obscenity of my reply went beyond all bounds of modesty.

520
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: As you know, I never use obscene phrases in speaking,

521
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: Yet you seemed to turn me into a beast. It

522
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: was you who slid your hand down inside my trousers

523
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and pulled my shirts softly aside, and touched my prick

524
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: with your long, tickling fingers, and gradually took it all

525
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: fat and stiff as it was, into your hand, and

526
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: frigged me slowly until I came off through your fingers,

527
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: all the time bending over me and gazing at me

528
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: out of your quiet, saint like ice. Wow, what a

529
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: hand job he had to really write it down, I

530
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: must have been a good one. He goes on, to

531
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: ask about the other boys she'd been with, and asks

532
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: her in great detail how far they got with her

533
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: and if she liked it. He also says, quote, if

534
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: you are not offended, do not be afraid to tell

535
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: me the truth, Darling, Darling, Tonight, I have such a

536
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: wild lust for your body that if you were here

537
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: beside me, and even if you told me with your

538
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: own lips that half the red headed louts of Galway

539
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: had had a funk at you before me, I would

540
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: still rush at you with desire. In any case, I

541
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: love you. I have written and said things to you

542
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: that my pride would never again allow me to say

543
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: to any woman. Well it's okay, all right. I mean, yeah,

544
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: that's a compliment, right, you like getting all the real

545
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: dirty thoughts in his head. I mean that's an intimacy, right.

546
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I wouldn't say this to anyone else but you.

547
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: That's that's special. It depends on what you're saying. But

548
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: I would never tell anyone else this. But here's some

549
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: horrible racist thing. I believe we're not friends anymore. So yeah,

550
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty erotic. Yes, some dirty talk, but

551
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: it's not really outside the realm of normal dirty talk

552
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: for a couple. I mean, you know, he did get

553
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: a little probe into her past sex life and stuff,

554
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: but he does concede that it's her choice to tell

555
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: him or not, which is nice. But when we come back,

556
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: we're going to get into the next letter, which is

557
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: going to turn your face read. So put the kids

558
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: to bed and stay tuned. Welcome back to the select

559
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: readings of James Joyce and Nora Barnacle's outrageous correspondence and yes,

560
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: serious you, that first letter has got nothing on what

561
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: came next. Oh boy, December eighth, nineteen o nine. Quote,

562
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: my sweet little horsh Nora, I did as you told me,

563
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: you dirty little girl, and pulled myself off twice. When

564
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I read your letter. I am delighted to see that

565
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: you do like being fucked our sways. I can remember

566
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: the night when I fucked you for long backwards. It

567
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: was the dirtiest fucking I ever gave you, my darling.

568
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: My prick was stuck up in you for hours, fucking

569
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: in and out under your upturned rump. I felt your fat,

570
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: sweaty buttocks under my belly, and saw your flushed face

571
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: and mad eyes at every funk I gave you your

572
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: shameless tongue came bursting out through your lips, and if

573
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: I gave you a bigger, stronger fun than usual, fat

574
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: dirty farts came spluttering out of your backside. You had

575
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: an arts full of farts that night, darling, and I

576
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones,

577
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: quick little merry cracks, and a lot of tiny, little

578
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: naughty farties ending in a long gush from your whole.

579
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: It is wonderful to funk a farting woman when every

580
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: funk drives one out of her. I think I would

581
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: know Norah's fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers

582
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: out of a room full of farting women. I hope

583
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: Norah will let off no end of her farts in

584
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: my face so that I may know their smell. Also,

585
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: it's just so, just for the way Valentine's Day is.

586
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: Have you like to write in a letter that I

587
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: hope you let off look no end of your farts

588
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: in my face so that I may know their smell.

589
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: In terms of fart fucking letters, this one is written

590
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: by James Joyce, and you can tell this is a

591
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: writer really crafting this story because it is evocative. I

592
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: feel like I'm They're kind of like I don't necessarily

593
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: want to be, but I'm here somehow, like oh can

594
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: I leave? And I respect that. I respect that honestly, Yeah,

595
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: I was going to stay the same because as a

596
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: as a writer, just the description of the different farts

597
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: is really well done. Big fat fellows, long windy one,

598
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: quick little mary cracks, and a lot of tiny, little

599
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: naughty farties. Haven't we all experienced at least one, if

600
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: not all of these could really use those categories in

601
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: the future. That was a quick little mary crack, A

602
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: big fat fellow. Oh no, my coworker just let off

603
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: a big fat fellow in the elevator. I swear I

604
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: could pick that guy out of a room anywhere. There's

605
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: an article on the Paris Review that posted the full

606
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: text of these letters, and they point out that while

607
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: the letters are quote shockingly dirty, they are also quite charming,

608
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: and I think that's accurate. I mean, there's some real

609
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,959
Speaker 1: love in here. These are two people who are totally

610
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: obsessed with each other in the best ways, and they've

611
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: clearly stimulated each other's curiosity. They're pushing each other's limits

612
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: they're finding new things they love about each other, strange

613
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: things that draw them to each other. And also like

614
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: he loves her farts. If you find someone who loves

615
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: your farts, I mean put a ring on it, you

616
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: have really found something special. That's that's the kind of

617
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: ship that ends a marriage. He's like Dutch of and

618
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: me baby at dare yet. Here's another letter to Nora,

619
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: dated December nine. Quote, my sweet darling girl, at last

620
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: you write to me, I am so played out that

621
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: you would have to lick me for a good hour

622
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: before I could get a horn stiff enough to put

623
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: in you. Darling, Please don't suck me too much when

624
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: I go back, funk all you can out of me

625
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: for the first night or so, but make me get

626
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: myself cured. Fuck me, darling, in as many ways as

627
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: your lust will suggest. Fuck me dressed in your full

628
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: outdoor costume, with your hat and veil on your face,

629
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: flushed with the cold and wind and rain, and your

630
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: boots muddy, either straddling across my legs when I'm sitting

631
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: in a chair and riding me up and down. Fuck

632
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: me if you can squatting in the closet with your

633
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: clothes up, grunting like a young sow doing her dungue,

634
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: and a big fat, dirty snaking thing coming slowly out

635
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: of your backside. Fuck me on the stairs in the dark,

636
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: like a nursery maid fucking her soldier, murmuring into his

637
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: ear dirty words and dirty stories that other girls told her,

638
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: and dirty things she said, and all the time pissing

639
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: her drawers with pleasure and letting off soft, warm, quiet

640
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: little farts behind until her own girlish cocky is as

641
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: stiff as his, and suddenly sticking him up in her

642
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: and riding him slow. It's so much, it's so well

643
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: written smut. You know what's funny is that he's like,

644
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: please don't suck me too much, but also funck me

645
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: in all these different ways as soon as possible. These

646
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: are These are select quotations from these letters, but at

647
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: the beginning of this one, he's talking about how he's

648
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: jerked off so much to her letters that his dick

649
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: barely works anymore. So he's like, when I come home, like,

650
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop you from sucking me, but

651
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: please give me a second to try and get back

652
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 1: to normal, because I'm jerking off too much while you're gone,

653
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: don't judge my performance right away. I need some man.

654
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, these letters go on and again. These certainly

655
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: are some of the most lascivious writing from the selections

656
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: that we found. But it's by no means the bulk

657
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: of it. And if you want to read more, just

658
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: it's not hard. Google James Joyce fart letters or whatever,

659
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: and you're going to find him. It's not hard. That's

660
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: what Nora says. He does end that last letter quote

661
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand kisses Darling. So again it's this kind

662
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: of beautiful look at these two little love birds. Right now,

663
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: let's go back to the ethical questions, because this clearly

664
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: is a correspondence meant to be private between two people, right,

665
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and I felt that reading these along, I'm laughing and

666
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: then I think, oh wait, they don't want me to

667
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: know this. And there's an angle of this that feels

668
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: a lot like leaking a sex tape or private pictures

669
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: in the modern age. Right once I'm reading them, I'm like,

670
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have this. So there's kind of an uncomfortable

671
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: nous to it. But since they're out there and there's

672
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: nothing to be done about it, now, um, I did

673
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: feel comfortable bringing them out of this show as a

674
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: means for examining relationships and the way that we do

675
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: on this show. Uh, we could sit here and laugh

676
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: at how James Joyce gets turned on by parts, and

677
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: we do, we have been and will. But at the

678
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: heart of it, this is again just another layer pulled

679
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: back on our desires and our sexuality and interests that

680
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: we're so often burying and hiding and being ashamed of

681
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: when there's really no reason to. Yeah, I don't want

682
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: anyone's kinks like in my face at that kind of content. Absolutely,

683
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I don't want your sex capades getting blasted out in

684
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: the world, like nobody wants you farting in each other's

685
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: face on the subway, Right, do not do that. I'm

686
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: sure someone has to. But that doesn't mean that we

687
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: should be trying so desperately to keep all this stuff hidden, Right, Like,

688
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't want farts anywhere near my face. But that

689
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that James Joyce and Nora Barnicle have anything

690
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: to be ashamed of, right, And I know that doesn't

691
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: That still doesn't up them into us publicly reading all

692
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: our private letters long after they're gone. Um, But historically

693
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: I think there's some value to it because not only

694
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: again are we sort of kind of stepping back and

695
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: saying this is normal. Everybody has this weirdness to them

696
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: and we all pretend like we don't, but it also

697
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: shows us that we have this image of what people

698
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: were like in history, especially like in the UK, everyone

699
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: was so proper and firm, and the rules were so

700
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: strict and rigid, but underneath it all, they were just

701
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: like we are today. They thought farts were funny and

702
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: they like to fuck like that's that's I think that's

703
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: really interesting to go back and look at and be

704
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: reminded of that we're always the same, no matter how

705
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: much how many coats of paint we put on the outside,

706
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: We're always the same. So to me, you know, for

707
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: to me, that sort of justifies this. I really love

708
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: this for the two of them, and I think that

709
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: looking at these letters on this show for the purposes

710
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: of like broadening our appreciation for different kinds of love

711
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: and attraction, which is kind of what this show has

712
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: sort of become all about in a lot of ways. Yeah,

713
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: So that's how I justify myself reading these letters to

714
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: however many does of you are out there listening right right.

715
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean I feel that it can be tough, I

716
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: think from a history perspective, because if I were the

717
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: historian who discovered these letters, it would be very hard

718
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: to contain your excitement to share something new about such

719
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: a respected literary figure with all. I mean honestly, as

720
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: soon as you said that, I was like, I wouldn't

721
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: even be thinking about the world at large. I would

722
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: be thinking about other scholars like me who cared about

723
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: James Joyce being equally geeked out and excited to read

724
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: more of his writing period, no matter what it was.

725
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: And it's fard pucking letters, which is like very exciting

726
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: and different for him. Again, he didn't curse and stuff,

727
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: So like, what a totally different side to see if

728
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: this person um, But I feel you it does it

729
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: does a smack of leaking a sex tape or something

730
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: like that, because it clearly these were not meant to

731
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: be shared. This This is like you know, when you

732
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: have a marriage, there's certain things you can say to

733
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: each other that you would never say to anyone else.

734
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: That's sort of what's special about it. And so it

735
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: is it is a little bit weird, but I feel

736
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: you they're already out there, so we're podcasters and fuck it, Yeah,

737
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: let's share it. But yeah, I think there's you do

738
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: probably come across that question as an historian. Okay, I

739
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: found this thing, but is it okay for me to

740
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: share it? Or should I not have found it? We're

741
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: digging through people's personal lives. That's what history is. It is, yeah,

742
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: and I mean as to your point about broadening people's

743
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: perspectives on attraction and love and also historical figures and

744
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: what people really were like throughout the time. Like that's

745
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: what I liked about our Ancient Egypt episode and finding

746
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: out that there's like trash talking, like you go back

747
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: and see graffiti or like pictures of dicks and Pompeii

748
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like we, you know, humans are pretty consistent,

749
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Like maybe the things around us are different, but throughout

750
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: time we we have always laughed at a fart I

751
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: think the recorded joke in history as a fartime, and

752
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: and then yeah, we love to draw a dick on things,

753
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: and you know, we love to roast each other. It's

754
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: all very very consistent, and that can be such a

755
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: lovely humanizing line I think through history and what makes

756
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: it so compelling to study, at least for me. Yeah,

757
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: and and these are just the dirtiest of many many

758
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: letters that they wrote to each other throughout their relationship.

759
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: They weren't all about fart fucking. I mean, once Joyce

760
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: wrote quote her soul, her name, her eyes, they seemed

761
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: to me like strange, beautiful blue wildflowers growing in some tangled,

762
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: rain drenched hdge. And I have felt her soul tremble

763
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: beside mine, and have spoken her name softly to the night,

764
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: and have wept to see the beauty of the world

765
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: passing like a dream behind her eyes. I mean, please

766
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: write me a love letter like that's so beautiful. I'll

767
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: be the first say it, James Joyce is good, right,

768
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: you're the first to say it. I'll say it. Say

769
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: it hot, take over here, romance. So yeah, it wasn't

770
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: all farts and arses. In fact, there was a point

771
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: while Joyce was in Dublin and Nora was in Triesque

772
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: raising their children, where he got the idea in his

773
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: head that she had been unfaithful to him in the

774
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: early years of their relationship, and he wrote to her

775
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: and berated himself, attacked her for her betrayal and said

776
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: that her cheating on him was proof that he was

777
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: unworthy of her, and this started to piss Nora off.

778
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Okay because our girl, like we said, strong opinion, sharp wit.

779
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: She's like, what then is this? She apparently wrote back

780
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: and threatened to leave him smart and they managed to

781
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: clarify that it was a misunderstanding, and Joyce wrote some

782
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: rather florid apologies quote, I have lost your esteem. I

783
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: have worn down your love. Let me say back again

784
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: into the mire I came from. Leave me. It is

785
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: a degradation and a shame for you to live with

786
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: a low wretch like me. If you leave me, I

787
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: shall live forever with your memory, holier than God to me.

788
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: I shall pray to your name. I will not sign

789
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: my name because it is the name you called me

790
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: when you loved me and honored me and gave me

791
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: your young, tender soul to wound and betray. So yeah,

792
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: he's a bit dramatic, little bedroomatic, a little much, And

793
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: I could see Norah getting kind of irritated at this, like,

794
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: all right, just say you're sorry, Okay, what is this toxic? Stop?

795
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Let me just stand before you and punch myself in

796
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: the face to forgive me please, all right? I mean

797
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: at least he stopped short of saying if you leave me,

798
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: I'll kill myself something crazy like that, which is a

799
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: great way to trap a woman into a relationships. Yes, horrible,

800
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: not cool, but it kind of it kind of has

801
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: that sent to it. I definitely was getting that set

802
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: to and I was like, this is a toxic letter.

803
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: I hope. Nora was like, I'm about to spank your

804
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: ours until you were shut up. Yes. They did get

805
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: through this, worked it out and got back to normal. Good.

806
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Years later now James Joyce, famous

807
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: author James Joyce, they're living comfortably in London. Although Joyce's

808
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: eyesight had deteriorated considerably, he now frequently wore an eye

809
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: patched over his left eye, and he wrote on large

810
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: sheets of white paper with a red crayon. So if

811
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: anyone says you need a fancy computer to be a writer.

812
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: M Ulysses had been a hit, although not everyone loved it,

813
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: including Nora, who loved his writing but said of Ulysses, quote,

814
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: why don't you write sensible books that people can understand?

815
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: I feel like a thousand English professors were like, thank you,

816
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Virginia Wolf, a contemporary of his, compared his writing to

817
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: quote a queasy undergraduate scratching his pimples. One hopes he'll

818
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: grow out of it, But as Joyce is forty, this

819
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: scarcely seems likely burn skeething burn out. And H. G.

820
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Wells wrote about Joyce's novel Finnigan's Wake, quote, who the

821
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: hell is this Joyce? Who demands so many waking hours

822
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: that a few thousand I have left to live for

823
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: a proper appreciation of his quirks and fancies and flashes

824
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: of rendering. I only got a little while left to live,

825
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: and you're wasting it. I love his Yollo James Joyce,

826
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: and I don't have time for this damn book, which amen.

827
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what I said. And I

828
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: cracked it open at like a Walden Books one day

829
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: in high school. I was like, you know what, never mind,

830
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm sixteen, I've only got seventy something years left. And

831
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: I know people love these books. I know people who

832
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: really appreciate them. I read some blogs. Because Finnigan's Wake

833
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: widely regarded as the most difficult novel to read in

834
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,479
Speaker 1: the English language, Ulysses is often cited as number two

835
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: way to write two of the most difficult scary because

836
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: they are very long drawn out. Like I said, a

837
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: whole chapter of Ulysses is said to be just one

838
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: sentence long. Um. He uses lots of different languages that

839
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: he mashes together. He'll he goes on these tangents and

840
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: just takes pages and pages and pages before he gets

841
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: back to his original point. Anyway, I think the point

842
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: I was making in true James Joyce style before I

843
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: went in this tangent is that some people love his books.

844
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: I've read that once he gets into it and can

845
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: kind of pieced altogether, they're very funny, very interesting. They're

846
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: not as like areadite and academic as someone have you believe,

847
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: um that they're actually pretty light once you kind of

848
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: get underneath the text. Um. So I don't know my

849
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: go for it. Let me know if you've read it. Yeah,

850
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: give us your stories. I'd love to give him a

851
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: whirl sometime. I mean maybe they're maybe you need a

852
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: companion like a reader to kind of help you out,

853
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: you know those side by side Shakespeare's where it's like,

854
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: here's the original test and then how they would say

855
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: it today. I was like, let me eat this guy

856
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: off the door or whatever. I need that. Well, among

857
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: his biggest supporters and friends, a man who really did

858
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: like Ulysses was Ernest Hemingway. Hey, there you go. The

859
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: two of them were also drinking buddies, which I can't

860
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: imagine being at that table. I think our livers would

861
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: explode before got a little tipsy, you think, I don't

862
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: think they would have let us had any They wouldn't

863
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: have been as soon as a drink got poured on

864
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: the table, it's gone. God, Wow, these writers are fast

865
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: at night. They would go out and they'd piss people

866
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: off and get into fights. And Norah actually kind of

867
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: encouraged this because she agree with James when he sort

868
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: of complained about himself and said, I'm getting too suburban.

869
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I've been too sheltered for too long. I need to

870
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: get out and see the world, And like, why don't

871
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: you write a sensible book that people can understand. You

872
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: don't get out there getting a fight or something. Jeez,

873
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: you get punched in the face and then try and

874
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: write something. I've got the kids tonight. Why don't you

875
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: go out drinking with Hemingway and get into a few fistfights.

876
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: So they would go out, they get drunk, and James

877
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: would end up picking a fight with somebody and Hemingway said, quote,

878
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: he couldn't even see the man, so he'd say, deal

879
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: with him, Hemingway, deal with him. I love picturing him

880
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: like behind Hemingway like face. Hemingway is a big dude. Yeah,

881
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 1: who likes to say it to his face. But yeah,

882
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: I mean back in the day, authors were these like

883
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: fistfighting drunks, you know, which is not a time I'm

884
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: looking forward to getting back to. But it is interesting

885
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: how different we looked at it and how we teach

886
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: literature today. Is this very delicate art form and there's

887
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: so much refinery to it. And if you read Ulysses,

888
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: you're an adit scholar. When it's like no, maybe you're

889
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: just a drunk who likes to get in a fist fight.

890
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: Then you might like this book too. I know, right,

891
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe if you read Ulysses drunk, it would make a

892
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: perfect sense. Anyone tried that. You do an experiment that

893
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: will be our next podcast. Get really drunk and read

894
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: Ulysses to each other and we'll be like, I don't

895
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: know what everyone's complained about this was perfect sense to me.

896
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: In one James and Nora had been together for twenty

897
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: seven years, they had two children, and we're living well.

898
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: But they had never been married, and they had actually

899
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: been lying all these years once Joyce got famous and

900
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: had told the press that they were married in Australia

901
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: back in nineteen o four, the year they met. But

902
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: they realized that for the sake of their children's easy inheritance,

903
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: they would have to do it legally and officially, so,

904
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the last thing they wanted was a big

905
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: public wedding, obviously, because they were supposed to already be married.

906
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: So he wrote to his brother George and his American wife, quote,

907
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: the marriage has been arranged for Saturday, July four, my

908
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: father's birthday and that of my brother George, to say

909
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: nothing of American independence, at the hours of am Greenwich time.

910
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: To throw people off the scent. The bride will wear

911
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: her lifeguard uniform, while the groom will be in green

912
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: satin with a white veil and an orange umbrella, the

913
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: colors of the Irish flag, which I don't know why

914
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: I immediately thought of like a baywatch bathing suits a

915
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: lifeguard uniform. I mean, there's no pictures, sadly, and I

916
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: couldn't even find if this ended up being true. He's kidding,

917
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: but but his outfit next to a Baywatch bathing suit,

918
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: his his his green satin suit is looking like one

919
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: of the dumb and Dumber tuxedos. The real frilly chest piece.

920
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Totally okay, this is what we're wearing to Bloom's day.

921
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find a lifeguard uniform. You're gonna wear an

922
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: orange umbre. But you gotta have a little fark cloud

923
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: coming up the you know, I'll have a little like, um,

924
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: what's that emoji? Looks like a little you have that

925
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: coming out? And then I'll have a little like I'll

926
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: just play quick merry Cracks or fat Fellows. Yeah, you

927
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: have a little device each button that can do one

928
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: of those four categories, which now Irish Central dot Com

929
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: writes that they tried to keep the news of their

930
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: civil ceremony as quiet as possible, and they waited until

931
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: just two days before their marriage to apply for the license.

932
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: Joyce also left the profession field on the license form blank,

933
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: so just anything to stop people from discovering that they

934
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: were getting married. But it wasn't long before a reporter

935
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: uncovered his name when they were sorting through the advanced

936
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: notices of the registry office. I guess that's what you

937
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: did for news back in the day I was getting married,

938
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: I guess, so, yeah, I found a secret marriages. Yeah

939
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy probably searched the wedding registry's every

940
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: day for years, never found anything, and people were like,

941
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: stop doing that, there's no story in there. He's like,

942
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: one day, one day, I'm going to win that Nobel

943
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: Prize for marriage reporting. Yeah. He spaised like an ambulance

944
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: chaser of reporters, wedding chaser. So of course he finds this,

945
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: and the news gets out that James Joyce Nora Barticle

946
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: are getting married, which was stranged everyone, and soon they're

947
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: hounded by reporters. Why you getting married though you're already married?

948
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: What's with the marriage? James? They tried to tell the

949
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: press that there was an issue with their Australian wedding.

950
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh you know, Nora tried to use a fake class

951
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: name back then because of all her family issues. So

952
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: it turns out our wedding was invalid um. But the

953
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: reporters didn't buy it. They were like, no, you haven't

954
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: been married. Something's going on here. We're going to get

955
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. So a reporter showed up

956
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: to his house the day of the wedding, and while

957
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: Joyce at first kicked him out, he came back with

958
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: an offer from his editor. James wrote, quote, They offered

959
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: me half the middle page if I would write an

960
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: article on modern marriage and free love. And if I did,

961
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: I would be well paid, and if I did not,

962
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: the paper would hold itself free to deal with my

963
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: double marriage as it pleased. But he was unfazed and

964
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: said quote. I told him to inform his editor that

965
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: I did not write for the press, nor did I

966
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: read it, but that my lawyer would read with the

967
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: proper attention anything they might publish. The Express came out

968
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: the next day without a word. You know, I don't

969
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: read your paper, but my lawyer sure does, and very carefully.

970
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: I am very fine. Never mind, we won't write ship.

971
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: So the two of them were married quietly, and they

972
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: lived happily together. They did have some quarrels over the

973
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: years about James's drinking, and she did threaten to leave

974
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: him a few times, but they always got back together.

975
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: They treated each other well and speculation station. She spent

976
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: many years farting in his face, and he was able

977
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: to walk into a room whom near blind and sniff

978
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: her out of a crowd of ladies farting, as was

979
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: his dream. Listen, you know when you're missing one of

980
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: your senses, you have to rely on the other ones.

981
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: I love this room of ladies farting. It's just like, oh,

982
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: we just like to get together every week and fart together.

983
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: We've been holding it in it's like a G four

984
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: summit of while these European countries. But Nora goes and

985
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm fresh out of farts. James wanted a

986
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: quickie this morning. The other ladies are like, I haven't

987
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: farted for twenty three years, so I have a lot

988
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: of tiny, little naughty farties now. Nora served as the

989
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: model for several characters of James's works, and according to

990
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: the James Joyce Center Quote, her idiomatic expressions pervade the

991
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: speech and thoughts of some of Joyce's most important characters.

992
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: So really strong relationship between them, really important people to

993
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: each other well. And she had such a cool, like

994
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: interesting character herself that I'm sure he was like, I

995
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: need to like some of this. Yeah. James underwent surgery

996
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: in Zurich for a perforated intestinal ulcer and went into

997
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: a coma. He awoke briefly after this and asked a

998
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: nurse to call his wife and son to come see him.

999
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: They were on their way when he died, just short

1000
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: of his fifty ninth birthday. His last words are said

1001
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: to have befitted his notoriously difficult writings. Quote, does nobody understand?

1002
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: That's tough. I hate to think that he felt like

1003
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: nobody understood his works, But I think, just like today,

1004
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of people just didn't care for it,

1005
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of people really thought it was important,

1006
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: and that's that could be the sign of a great

1007
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: artist too. I do think those are sad last words, though,

1008
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: because nobody understand. And he you know, maybe he was

1009
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: talking about the Swiss doctors. You know, he's like, no,

1010
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: my left arm hurts, you're working on my right, you know, understand.

1011
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that's true. Or he was like, I mean,

1012
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, they say, close to death, you can be

1013
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: totally in another place in the brain, so you might

1014
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: be talking about something completely unrelated to anything. The Irish

1015
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: government refused to bring his remains back to Ireland. Yeah,

1016
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: and it's not really clear exactly why I couldn't find

1017
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot of information on this. Probably because he was

1018
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: so outspoken throughout his life about Irish political issues, and

1019
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: maybe they were just like, now we're not going to

1020
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: waste the time on him. So yeah, James Joyce was

1021
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: buried in Zurich, Switzerland, since he's still controversial in Ireland,

1022
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: and Nora decided to remain there. She worked actively in

1023
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: decisions about his estate. She suffered from arthritis and by

1024
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties she had a difficult time walking, and she

1025
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: died of kidney failure in nineteen fifty one and was

1026
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: buried in the same cemetery as James, although not nearby him, unfortunately.

1027
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: But in nineteen sixty six her remains removed and they

1028
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: were placed together in a single plot. Yeah, it's nice

1029
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: they got them together at some points. Yeah, for their sake,

1030
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: they should have buried those letters in there with them. Okay,

1031
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: but here we are about it. This is a great

1032
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: reason why so many people were like, please burn all

1033
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: my papers after I die. I mean, it was like

1034
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: the historical equivalent of please delete my search history before

1035
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: my mom gets But it is a special story, and

1036
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: again it's a unique couple of a private look into

1037
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: someone's life that shows us that we're all freaks. You know,

1038
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 1: we're not even if we're not sexual deviance. We all

1039
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: have something that we love that we feel like we

1040
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't and that's weird to me. You know, if you're

1041
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: enjoying something, if it's improving or enhancing your life experience

1042
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: in any way, and it's not harming anyone else's, then

1043
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be so ashamed. I think if there's consent there, yeah,

1044
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: there's really a wrong way to have sex right right well,

1045
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: and and beyond sex, I think two was also the

1046
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: bottom point. But it doesn't even just have to be

1047
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: about sex. But there's there's lots of stuff that we're

1048
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: embarrassed by or we feel like shouldn't be true about us.

1049
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: But in fact that's just that's just the made up

1050
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: bullshit rules we all decided to live under for some reason.

1051
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: That's true. One, at the end of the day, we

1052
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: should all be picking berries off of bushes and trying

1053
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: not to get eaten by bears, like, but for some reason,

1054
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Speaker 1: we made Nintendos and now we sit around in our

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Speaker 1: underwear getting high all day, Like what what happened in

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Speaker 1: between those two things? There's a lot of shame, shame,

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Speaker 1: a lot of shame. It's true, It's so true, right,

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Speaker 1: And how much more difficult is that shame when you

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01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: were raised in an Irish Catholic private school. Very true.

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Speaker 1: And that that's something about Nora that I think is

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Speaker 1: really interesting, is like growing up in a such a

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Speaker 1: restrictive and repressive place, especially about sexual reality. You're being outspoken,

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Speaker 1: being cute, even just being cute. It's not even about

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Speaker 1: like I'm being promiscuous. I'm just like looking cute and

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01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: people notice me, and all of a sudden it's my

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: fault that I look cute. That's how I was born. Sorry,

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01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And also someone else's attention

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01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: is not my problem, like I didn't anyway, We don't

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Speaker 1: have to do all that. But I just really like

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Speaker 1: that she. I mean, it just shows you how that

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: doesn't really work in the long run. You know, you

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01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: had her sister Kathleen and her both fully rebelling against

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Speaker 1: all that, even though they were like being beaten with

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Speaker 1: sticks and I mean probably threatened with a convent once

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Speaker 1: or twice, it didn't matter, you know, It's it's more

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Speaker 1: being being true to yourself. It's more important. Well, and

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Speaker 1: it's a generalization, but it does seem like you've got

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Speaker 1: to end results there with this kind of strict upbringing.

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Speaker 1: Either you rebel and become the total opposite of that,

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Speaker 1: or you become the same and you are a miserable, angry,

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Speaker 1: repressed person who takes it out on your children or

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01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: your students or whatever, and you just perpetuate that cycle

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Speaker 1: of what's effectively violence. Um. And so it's like, hey,

1084
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't working because it's either creating more monsters

1085
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: like me, or it's doing the exact opposite and creating

1086
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: a complete opposite of what I'm trying to do. So

1087
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: maybe a different approach, maybe positive reinforcement. Maybe just teach

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Speaker 1: people about the world and how to live in it,

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Speaker 1: and teach them to be good people and they'll make

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Speaker 1: their own decisions. I don't know. I'm not a I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Catholic nun from the eighteen hundreds, thank god.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, maybe men should take responsibility for their

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Speaker 1: own well, I don't know if we need to start

1094
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: claiming that, Oh no, responsibility is a complicated thing, and

1095
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't want it, so I'm not going to take it.

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Speaker 1: It's not a out. I'm just thinking about her on

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01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: that priest lap, like reaching up her skirt and she's like, hey,

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing? And he's like, look what you

1099
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: made me do? Like what how did I make you do?

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Speaker 1: Any of that? She's like, I wish I could far

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01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: in this priest's face right now. One day someone will

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: really appreciate that about me. I wish she had fared

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: in his face to a nice fat fellow right for him.

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Speaker 1: A couple of quick cracks. Here's a merry little crack.

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Speaker 1: I really hope you all enjoyed that. It's a little

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Speaker 1: different than our usual stories. Again, we could we could

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01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: go into the biographies of these people all day long,

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of little details that are all

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01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: very interesting. Um But just looking at this kind of

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: really zeroing in on this element of their relationship and

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: uh and getting a broad picture of what they were

1112
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: like together, I think I think it's a really fascinating story. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Um So, I hope you all enjoyed it as well.

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Speaker 1: Hope you had a good laugh. I hope it didn't

1115
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Speaker 1: feel too weird peering through the curtain from these people's

1116
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Speaker 1: freaky sex life. You're like, what's that smell? Well, I

1117
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: know that's smell anywhere. That's Nora Barnacle is Oh please uh,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't email, send us an audio file of your

1119
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: big Fat fellows on the air, some Nora Barnacle appreciation posts. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you've been to Bloomsday, especially if you've dressed up,

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Speaker 1: please send us some pictures because I would love to

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Speaker 1: see that. That would be dope. But yeah, and if

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Speaker 1: you're in Dublin, let us know we're coming to you

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01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: at some point one day. I'll have to come to

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Speaker 1: the list our bucket lists for sure, but yeah, reach

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Speaker 1: out to us. Sho doesn't email. Romance and I heart

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Speaker 1: media dot com Yeah, or slide into the d m

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Speaker 1: s on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Dynamite Boom and

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Speaker 1: I'm at oh great. It's Eli shows a predict Romance.

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Speaker 1: We cannot wait to hear from you, and we can't

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Speaker 1: wait to bring you another exciting episode later this week. Yep,

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Speaker 1: thanks as always for spending your time with us. You know,

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Speaker 1: like waffle House says, we know you have a choice,

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Speaker 1: and you chose us. That's right, thank you, all right,

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Speaker 1: so we will see all you fellows next time. Bat song, Frances,

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Speaker 1: time to go. Thanks so listening to our show. Tell

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Speaker 1: your friends name's uncle Sandance to listen to a show

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous roll Nance