1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's Department of Justice is now targeting pro life Americans. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Mark Hoke is a father of seven. He's a husband. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: He is a co founder and president of The King's Men, 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: which is a Catholic ministry that aims to mentor young 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: Catholic men. He often peacefully protests outside of abortion clinics, 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: just trying to encourage women to choose life, to make 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: a different decision, to know that there are other options 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: besides death, besides murdering your child. But on September twenty three, 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: in front of his wife, in front of his seven children, 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 1: the FBI showed up. They showed up at his home 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. They shut up with ballistic shields 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: with long guns, battering Ram and arrested Mark. They charged 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: them under the Federal Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: otherwise known as the FACE Act. So the question is why, 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: and when you go through the facts of the case, 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: it makes no sense. When you go through the facts, 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: there's so many discrepancies with the Department of Justice's claims 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: in the indictment. We're going to go through the facts 19 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: of this case with Mark's attorney, Matt Fron who works 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: for the Thomas Morris Society, a pro life organization. We're 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: going to go through the facts so you have them, 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: so you can share them and you can bring this 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: information to others, because what is happening in America is wrong. 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: What the Department of Justice, what Merrick Garland is doing, 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: is evil. This is evil in America, the targeting of 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: pro life Americans. And it's not just this case either. 27 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: The Department of Justice also charged eleven pro life advocates 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: with federal charges related to a two thousand one protest 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: at a Tennessee abortion clinic. Where were they when people 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: were fire bombing pro life centers in America? Where were 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: where we're Where was the FBI when churches were burnt down? 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: There weren't any arrest in those cases. But you're going 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: to target an American citizen for being pro life, you 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: know what they're trying to do, Just like they're going 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: after people who question the election to make them shut up, 36 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: to get conservatives to no longer question elections. It's the 37 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: same thing here. They want you, if you believe in life, 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: if you're pro life, to shut up. Don't you dare 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: ago and try to encourage young women to make a 40 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 1: different decision. Don't you dare try to encourage young women 41 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: to choose life. It's despicable and it's wrong. We're gonna 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: talk to Matt Heffron about the facts of the case 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring it all to you, So stay 44 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: tuned for this interview with Matt Heffron, who's representing Mark Coke. 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: So math first of all, as pro life Americans, it's 46 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: horrendous and sad. What happened to your client Mark. He's 47 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: a father of seven, husband, the co founder and president 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: of The King'smen, a Catholic ministry that aims to spiritually 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: mentor young Catholic men. He peacefully protests outside of abortion clinics. 50 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about your client and the 51 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: work that he's done. Well, sure, Li says I heard 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: you describe him. I just think to myself, chuckling to myself, 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: that's your gonna have a defendant to represent. You can't 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: think of one much more sympathetic, nicer guy than than 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: Mark Haalk. I mean, we always that all of our 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: clients were so uh, such good people, and we'll we'll 57 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: vibe so well with the with the jury. Mark is 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: u is a guy. If you talk to him, he's 59 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: just a kind, kind hearted guy. Uh. He and his 60 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: wife raising seven kids. UH. Really developed Catholics. No violence 61 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: in his background at all. U. And he has devoted 62 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: his life trying to improve the response of men, particularly 63 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: to be better fathers and husbands. UM. He spends a 64 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: couple of days a week, at least one day a 65 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: week driving to Philadelphia where he stands up peacefully on 66 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: the corner outside of an abortion clinic, oftentimes saying the 67 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Rosary as he was in the day in question, and 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: engaging people in conversation. UM. And never in his wildest dreams. 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: I don't think did he ever thought. I think he'd 70 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: see fully armed federal agents storming his house as he 71 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: got up in the morning. Has happened just last last month, 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: and and that was on September. And I want to 73 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: get to that day. But I want to start at 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: where this begins, because the FBI charged them under the 75 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: Federal Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act. It stems 76 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: back to October two thousand twenty one. He was accused 77 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: of pushing a man, Bruce Love, after Bruce verbally harassed 78 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: Mark's awe year old son Take us through what happened 79 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: on that day on October and no, many of them 80 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: uh would actually chain themselves to the door of abortion 81 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: clinics and barricade the door and so on and so forth, 82 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: coming and you sit in so that the abortion clinics 83 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: could not operate while they were there. And the idea 84 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: was to shut them down for a day or two. Uh, 85 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: And it was very effective. And eventually the federal government, 86 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: including a lot of pro life Republicans, assigned on the 87 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: Space Act, the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, 88 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: which gave real draconian uh penalties for anyone who did that, 89 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: including jail time and and so on and so forth. Uh. 90 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: It has been really aggressively pursued both under the Obama 91 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: administration and even now more under the Biden administration to 92 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: attack provif ers. Um and so um. What happened to 93 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: this cause? You asked for a chronology, Here's where I'll start, 94 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: and you stop me. I'm going on too long. But 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: um in well, for for years Mark has been going 96 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: to this clinic and praying peacefully outside. And four years 97 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: various of the abortion activists outside of the clinic they 98 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: called themselves escorts, sometimes they're called death escorts. But variously 99 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: these abortion activists made it their reason to be there 100 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: to try to disrupt the prayer, to get in the 101 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: face of the pro life people, to try to egg 102 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: them on. And this is going on across all over 103 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: the country. We get calls all the time on absolutely 104 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: outlandish and outrageous activities by these death course and it 105 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: was happening there in Philadelphia as well. So Mark Howk 106 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: was well known to the abortion activist whose name is 107 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Bruce Love. And on the day in question, Mark happened 108 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: to be across the street from the abortion clinic, and 109 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: he engaged a young woman in front of the conversation 110 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: and basically escorted her towards the UH, the building across 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: the street from the clinic, which is a pregnancy resource center, 112 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: that is, people are offering alternatives to abortion. And as 113 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: they were walking down the street towards the pregnancy resource center, 114 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: Bruce Love darted across from the abortion clinic and pushed 115 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: himself in between Mark and a young woman and then 116 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: failed to get out of the way. And there may 117 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: or may not have been a little bit of shoving there, 118 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: but nothing, nothing untour, no big deal. Uh And and 119 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: then later in the day after that brief incident, Um 120 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: Mark was standing on the corner fifty ft from the 121 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,239 Speaker 1: inn entrance of the abortion clinic, and he was standing 122 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: in the corner quietly praying his rosary with his twelve 123 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: year old son, and was typical of the activities, particularly 124 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: of this Bruce Love. Um was that Bruce typically would 125 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: come and then start harassing a little boy. And he 126 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: often thought Bruce Love was notorious for saying obscene, just 127 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: vulgar things, uh in front of women and children who 128 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: were praying on the sidewalk, And this was no There 129 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: was just typical day for Bruce and he started harassing 130 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 1: and saying really nasty things to the little boy about 131 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: his father. And finally Mark how care clients, said that 132 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: was enough of that and told him and knowing certain 133 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: turn terms, to leave his little boy alone. And boost 134 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: Love started to walk away, and then he came back 135 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: again to give the little boy some more harassment. And 136 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: at that point, Mark I think, like any father, had 137 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: had enough and gave boost Love a shell and boost 138 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: happened to fall down. You can see all this a 139 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: second incident on a video. Boosts happened to fall down, 140 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: got right back up, no parentage at all, and went 141 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: inside and then called the police. And the police arrived 142 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: and they talked to the parties and they saw the 143 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: scrape and that's all. It was a scrape on Boost's arm. 144 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: And they say they sat told everyone there, there's nothing 145 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: for us here. We're leaving no charges to be filed. 146 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: And that's the common sense approach, that's what you'd expect. 147 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: And that's where it should have ended. Um, not even 148 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: a misdemeanor assault under Pennsylvania law. But Pennsylvania has a 149 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: peculiar provisionally peculiar to me UM, and that is where 150 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: they all allow people to file what are known as 151 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: private liminal actions as opposed to civil action, which is 152 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: for damages or criminal actions. And so boot Love went 153 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: down to the courthouse and filed a private criminal action 154 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 1: and there for minor infractions like this. Uh. And that 155 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: should have ended in some sort of mediation where a 156 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: judge and the parties talking out. UH. But on five 157 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: different occasions the judge scheduled this for a mediation. On 158 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: five different occasions, Boost Love did not show up. Mark 159 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: how showed up every time, and finally the judge in 160 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: questions said, well you know this is nonsense, and I'm 161 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: going to dismiss the case. And the case was dismissed 162 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: shortly after. That was when I got involved because the 163 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: federal government now, seeing that neither the state government considered 164 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: this a misdemeanor assault, and that even the lower level 165 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: judge dismissed the case on the private criminal complaint. Now 166 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: the federal government steps in, deciding that this is really 167 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: a federal case, and they send our client mark how 168 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: what's as a target letter? And a target letter tells 169 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: the person who gets it that you're probably going to 170 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: get indicted. Would you like to come in and testify? No, 171 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: no client in the right mind, and certainly no white 172 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: color defense attorney as I used to be whenever let 173 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: their client come in and talk. But what you do, 174 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: and what I did was called the federal prosecutor and 175 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: I called her once she didn't answer, So a few 176 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: days later I called again, and a few days later 177 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: she still hadn't answered. Quite honestly, I've never had that 178 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: happened to me before, and so I thought, well, if 179 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: she did send a target letter, and maybe I better 180 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: I sent her better get in touch with her by 181 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: writing if she's not courteous enough to answer my phone calls, 182 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: and so I wrote her an email, and in the email, 183 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: I stated what the law was right in her very courthouse. 184 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: And we knew what that law was because I'm a 185 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: member of the Thomas More Society and a couple of 186 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: our other attorneys had been involved in the very case 187 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: three years previously, under almost the exact same facts in 188 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: which a federal court, a federal judge in that courthouse said, 189 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: these facts do not amount to a face prosecution. And 190 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: so I know at that point that the federal prosecutor 191 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: knew that case. It's called Ellentown Abortion Center of Allentown 192 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Center versus so p c O. I knew she knew 193 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: about that case. And I also did something typically I 194 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: always did for my white colored clients, and that is 195 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: tell the federal prosecutor that if you disagree with me, 196 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: and if you're going to indict my client, please just 197 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: let me know, and I will accept the summons to 198 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: court on behalf of my client, will set a date 199 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,359 Speaker 1: and we'll walk our guy and he'll come in voluntarily. 200 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: And in all of my career, some twenty years after 201 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: I left the Federal Prosecutor's office, twenty years as a 202 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: defense attorney, I have never had a federal prosecutor not 203 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: honor that this is the first time in this case. 204 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: On the twenty three, UM, I got a phone call 205 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: the first time I heard from this particular federals here, 206 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: and she's calling me only to tell me that they 207 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: had already arrested my client and that he would have 208 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: an initial appearance in court in an hour and a half. 209 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: And of course I'm not on site in Philadelphia, so 210 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: it's impossible for me. But that is walking through, if 211 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: you will, the facts. Um, the facts that have gotten 212 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: most notoriety we haven't talked about yet, and that is 213 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: the actual arrest of Mark how quick commercial break back 214 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: with Matt Heffron. So, Matt, my understanding is the first 215 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: time you heard from the U S Attorney and Needy 216 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Eve was three months after you reached out saying hey, 217 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: we'll work with you in a voluntary basis. I think 218 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: my emails on June ninth, and if if the initial 219 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: appearances on the twenty three, that would be the like 220 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. Also my understanding, the Federalist has done 221 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: great job reporting of this, Margot Cleveland, and it seems 222 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: like with what the Justice Descartment wrote in their indictment 223 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: are in contradiction to the facts. For instance, it alleges 224 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: that your client Mark shoved Bruce Love to the ground 225 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: as he attempted to escort to Planned Parenthood patients. However, 226 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: in the private state criminal complaint filed by Love, he 227 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: was waiting for clients. Can you talk about the discrepancy 228 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: and why it's important to the case. Yeah, face under 229 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: which this case was charred. The freedom of access to 230 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: clinic entrances at only deals with such things as interfering, harassing, Uh, 231 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: in order to stop women from engaging in reproductive health. 232 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: And if there are no women there, Uh, there was 233 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: no one there who was trying to engage and reproductive health. H, 234 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: then there could not be a face violation. And I 235 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: told you one of these two instances was captured on 236 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 1: the security camera of the abortion clinic. And clearly there 237 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: is no one, no no women approaching, no one approaching 238 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the abortion clinic for any sort of reproductive abortion services. 239 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: So um, they have a major problem there. There's another incident. 240 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if the Federalist article COVID this or not. 241 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: Another discrepancy, and that is that Bruce Love said in 242 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: his private criminal complaint that he wrote out that he 243 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: was trying to walk away when he got shoved, and 244 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: the clinic video shows real clearly he was walking towards 245 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Mark's son, towards where Mark and the Sun were when 246 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: Mark engaged in the second time, because he'd already told 247 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: him to leave the Sun alone. So yeah, there there's 248 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: some major discrepancies there. And uh, we're very confident in 249 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: this case these are bad facts and bad law for 250 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. And I say that with a 251 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: little bit of a wu in that it should be 252 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: the Department of Injustice as far as I'm concerned. The 253 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: way they're using, um uh, the space statue to to 254 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: basically attacked Biden administration opponents, if you will, people who 255 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: are clearly not in line with the Biden administrations radical 256 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: pro abortion ideology. Well, and it seems like pretty basic 257 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: facts to mess up as well important facts to mess up. 258 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: I want to get to the day of the arrest 259 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: September and estimated of fifteen police vehicles, about twenty law 260 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: enforcement officers, ballistic shields, long guns, and battering ram descended 261 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: on Mark's home in front of his wife, in front 262 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: of his seven children talk about that day. I imagine 263 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: that had been incredibly traumatic for the family. Yeah, I 264 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: was on the phone a couple of times with Ryan 265 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: read that they complete shot to them. Although in the 266 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: abortion context anymore, you've gotta be ready for the unexpected. Um. 267 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: But nonetheless, who would have thought that when they when 268 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: he was willing to come in at any time, that 269 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: they would show upon his doorstep at seven o'clock in 270 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: the morning. Also, I mean, if you really wanted to 271 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: find Mark Howk and wanted to arrest him in with 272 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: the least amount of trouble, Uh, probably the best place 273 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: to find him would be there on the corner outside 274 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: the abortion clinic, where he's known to be quite off 275 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: night praying his rod. So there's no reason, none whatsoever 276 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: to make this arrest at seven o'clock in the morning 277 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: and storm in with with that sort of firepower. I 278 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: can tell you I used to be in charge of 279 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: one of the criminal units for the Federal Prosecutor's unit 280 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: in Phoenix, Arizona. I was the lead attorney for their 281 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: organized crime drug enforcement unit. Uh. The only time we 282 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: went in with this sort of our power was when 283 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: number one, UH, the defendant potential defendant was a dangerous 284 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: person and had known proclivity for violence, or number two 285 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: was a flight risk. Now think of those two things 286 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: in comparison to Mark how and absolutely peaceful religious guy, 287 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: no violence has passed whatsoever, and the second of all 288 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: flight risk with seven kids. Are you kidding? So there's 289 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: no reason, no reason to do this other than uh 290 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: that this is the way they Department of Injustice now 291 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: is willing to punish. Uh, it's political opponents, people who 292 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: do not fall fall into the correct ideology. And it 293 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: also coite honestly discussed this a bit among ourselves. This 294 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: is is apparently meant to send a message to pro lifers, 295 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: to peaceful citizens. I mean, I I know a lot 296 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: of these people, and uh, buying law are every single 297 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: one I've ever met was a peaceful, prayer, prayerful sort 298 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: of person. Uh, these are not people who have dangerous 299 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: in the least. And so the environment of justice now 300 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: is is being used used as a political weapon against 301 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: common citizens. Well, and it also seems completely unnecessary considering 302 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: the fact you already reached out why the use of 303 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: force when you already volunteered to work with them and 304 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: to connect with them Alight, in my my view, that 305 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: was not only a professional discourtesy to me, but extreme 306 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: unprofessionalism with the Department of Justice. Uh. If if an 307 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: attorney says I will bring my client in, and there's 308 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: no reason to think he won't, UH, then you uh 309 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: both being officers of the court of law and we 310 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: are UH, then you will respect that other attorney and 311 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: let him do his job just as he expects you 312 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: to do yours. Um. There's no there's no basis, there's 313 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: no reason for what happened to this case other than 314 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: people who are devotees to uh I think a radical 315 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: ideology and who have left their lost their sense of 316 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: professionalism and certainly a professional courtesy. How did the FBI 317 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: treat him when they arrested him. Of course, they were 318 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: trying to bang it bang down his door to start with. 319 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: And I should back up a little bit in the fact, 320 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: just in case some of your listeners don't know, uh, 321 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: but it was at seven o'clock in the morning, which 322 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: is typical of how h you storm in on violent 323 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: offenders just as they're getting out of bed, and rightfully, 324 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: just the the how family was doing just that and 325 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: they were just getting out of bed. Mark was downstairs 326 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: getting a cup of coffee. Ryan Marie, the wife, said 327 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: her heet had barely hit the floor after getting out 328 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: of bed. When you hear all this commotion going on downstairs, 329 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: and of course say, I'll go down towards the stairs 330 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: and Mark us to the door. And people are yelling 331 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: FBI banging on the door so much that uh, Ryan 332 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: Brine said that it looked like the doors have already 333 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: to break open. And Mark was yelling, please, I'll open 334 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: the door. I'll open the door. Remember, I've got my 335 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: babies inside. Is that twice? I've got babies in here? 336 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: And he opened the door, and as he opened the door, 337 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: guns long guns were pointed at him, at his face 338 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: and his wife, and kind of sweeping the room where 339 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: the kids were. Of course, the kids would never ever 340 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: expected this, and the while the streams that they're dead 341 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: would be cheated like this are screaming to high heaven. 342 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: And these fully armed fifteen to twenty FBI agents said, 343 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: and actually members also of local police departments come storming 344 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: in and grab Mark, eventually handcuffed him, put manels on 345 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: his feet. I'm laughing because it's so ridiculous, uh, And 346 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: and he stayed manacled up the whole day. They brought 347 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: him down to I think is the Marshall's office, Uh, 348 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: and they chained him to a table as if he 349 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: was some danger and left in there pretty much all 350 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: day until his initial appearance. And here's another factory at least, 351 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: So it just shows what a sham this all was. Uh. 352 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: They had decided in advance to let him be released 353 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: without bail. And that is that that they call that 354 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: own your released on your own recognizance. Uh. That is, uh, 355 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: if only for those people you know are not dangerous 356 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: and are not flight risk. Otherwise you acquire some sort 357 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: of bail and sometimes sizeable amount of bail money that 358 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: they had to put down before they can be released 359 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: from jail to assure that they will return. So the 360 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: federal government knew in advance, well, they knew all along 361 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: that there was no violence here, no no flight risk. 362 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: But they were doing this simply to make a statement. Well, 363 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: they made a statement, and it's one I think that 364 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: is a little bit shocking for common citizens of this 365 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: country to realize that that's what the Department of Justice 366 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: has come too. And I guess I'll just follow up 367 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: on that. I was a Federal prosecute for a number 368 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: of years, and quite honestly, in those days in the 369 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties, I was proud of the position and we 370 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: followed UH the established UH protocols of the office, whether 371 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: or not those protocols had been established in other administrations, 372 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: try and survive there. During the demost democratic administration, both 373 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: Republican and democratic, and the Democratic U S Attorney, the 374 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Democratic U S Attorney followed the I remember the Thornburg 375 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: Thornburg Document, various protocols that have been established under Republican regimes. 376 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: We were we were officers of the court first, and 377 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: we were dedicated the idea of justice. This administration, my 378 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: UM contacts with it as well as during the Obama administration, 379 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: seems more politically inclined, and that's a danger. What are 380 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the next steps for you guys? Where in the courts 381 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: do you think this will go? Yeah? The case has 382 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: been set for trial in January, and I UH, in 383 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: all the years when I was both a federal prosecutor 384 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: and UH white color defense attorney, I never once saw 385 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: a case go on the first trial setting. But our 386 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: people UH tell us that the judge seems willing to 387 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: let us get this case tried in January, and uh, 388 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: I will be happy if they can actually get it 389 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: done in January. Uh. And quite honestly, I think that, uh, 390 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: the defense will prevail in this case, will win, and 391 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: it may even get bounced out on on a court motion, 392 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: because as I said, these facts have already been ruled 393 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: in that very district not to support a face case. 394 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: Um so um. Either it will be some sort of 395 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: pre trial jurisdictional motion, or at the end of the 396 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: state's case, the defense will make a motion that there 397 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: is no violation of any law under the facts presented 398 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: by the government. But either way there's a decent chance, 399 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: a good chance that this will actually go to trial, 400 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: and uh we're looking forward to it. Well. And of 401 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: course where are the arress with the targeting and the 402 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: terrorism directed towards pro life centers. Yeah, that's a great point. 403 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: Um kind of is in stark relief with the way 404 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: that the Gardland regime is employing the Face Act against 405 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: pro lifers. Uh. The same Face Act applies to pro 406 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: life pregnancy resource centers, and that is that anyone who 407 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: uses force to harass intimidates on and so forth. Uh, 408 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: those in even pro life reproductive health centers could be prosecuted. 409 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: And as you know that there have been at least 410 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: at last I saw seventy reported incidents of of attacks 411 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: against pro life centers, including a fire bombing of one 412 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: or two and really really who violence as opposed to 413 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: the shoving incidence of Mark how and other shoving instances 414 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice also sued H is pursuing 415 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: across the country as opposed of those are actually rather 416 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: laughable small instances. We have true violence against the pregnancy 417 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: resource centers and as yet, as yet not a single 418 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: uh UH arrested and made concerning any of those true 419 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: violence against against the pro life centers. So that's kind 420 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: of a dark, dark comparison. But apparently the Department of 421 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: Justice under Garlic Garlic Mark Garland, I'm sorry, HASH has 422 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: no interest in UH in employing this law if it's 423 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: UH to defend its political opponents. Well, and the Department 424 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: of Justice has also charged eleven pro life advocates with 425 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: the same charges with federal charges in Tennessee related to 426 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: a two twenty one protest. So to your point, it 427 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: certainly seems like the d o J is trying to 428 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: send a chilling message to Americas to our pro life 429 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: at least a we're that Thomas More Society is representing 430 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: Mark howk Um and that the group I'm with, and 431 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: we're also representing at least one, if not more of 432 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: the Nashville defendants as well. And that's another instance where 433 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 1: it's a relatively minor peaceful protests, the very same sort 434 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: of thing that that fueled the civil rights marches, the 435 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: Sacra Gaha, if you will, of of Mohamed uh of Mahan, 436 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: dis gandhi Um. The same sort of civil protests, civil 437 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: disobedience happened in Nashville. And it's not, you know, not 438 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: a serious event, not something that you would go and 439 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: again arrest the father of his family in front of 440 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: his children. And they did the same thing, the same 441 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: thing there in Tennessee quick break more on the Mark 442 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: Hook case. Am I missing any of the facts of 443 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: this case? I just want to make sure that people 444 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: can listen to this and understand exactly what's going on 445 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: and what they need to know. Well, I suppose one 446 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: factor the case is and this is maybe a relatively 447 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: minor matter, but uh, in my look at the facts, 448 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: it looks like the aggressor here the boost Love. The 449 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: abortion activist may have even been attempting in the second 450 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: instance to try to get it on camera, because the 451 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: first instance was across the street, wasn't on the security camera, 452 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: and and so they don't they didn't have it as 453 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: as good of facts on that side. So he came 454 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: back in a few minutes later. You can see him 455 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: in the bottom of the screen. He's actually talking with 456 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: another abortion activists before he goes to her asked Mark's son, 457 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: and that same abortion activist then comes running out a 458 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: few minutes later, So she's been watching the whole thing. Um, 459 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: And so it looks like um at this boost love 460 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: and did the second or or instigated the second instance 461 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: on purpose to try to get it on camera. It 462 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: was right down to at least these are simple facts. 463 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a complicated case. This is 464 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: it's almost silly to talk about. This is a little 465 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: shoving match outside of an abortion clinic because one man 466 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: got another man's face, and that since his face got 467 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: his son's face, that is not a federal crime by 468 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: anybody's um, anybody's description. And uh so it's silly that 469 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: we're even talking about it, but it's being used you 470 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: know the factor of being used in order to try 471 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: to go after American citizens who happened to be of 472 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: the pro life contingent. And where can people go to help? Yeah, 473 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: two places actually, um Mark how has set up a 474 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: defense on go fund to me for it a case 475 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: and uh so you can find that online. And then 476 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: also the Thomas Moore Society. You can go to Thomas 477 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: More Society dot org and Morris Billed M O R E. 478 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: Thomas More Society dot org. We are representing quite a 479 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: few of these people in various parts of the country 480 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: right now. We're and of course Philadelphia, We're in Tennessee, 481 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: We're in d c all on similar sort of cases, 482 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: and we represent pro lifers across the country on other 483 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: cases as well. Matt half Ron with the Thomas More Society, 484 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate the work that you're doing. What is happening 485 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: to Mark is wrong, and thank you for bringing this 486 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: case to the show and giving us her time. Good 487 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: keep up the good work. Always happy that that was 488 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: Matt f Run with the Thomas Morris Society, representing Marco 489 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: who is being viciously targeted by the FBI. Uh it's 490 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: a sad reflection of what's going on in America. But 491 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: it makes sense when you see what the Department of 492 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: Justice has done and even targeting parents and essentially labeling 493 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: them terrorists, or you know, Joe Biden going on stage 494 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: and labeling seventy five million Americans as enemies of the state. 495 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: So it's it's a sad place where we are. But 496 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate what Matt is doing, and I appreciate you 497 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: for listening to the show every Monday, every Thursday, but 498 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: you can listen throughout the week. 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