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Speaker 1: Joining us, he's a now talk show host. He's a

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Speaker 1: radio guy down in Dallas, Gbag Nation. Correct, mister Broadus,

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Speaker 1: that's me absolutely, and you can find him on the

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Speaker 1: radio down there. But for our purposes more important, former

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Speaker 1: NFL scout also a host of the Draft show for

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com, which is a great draft show.

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Speaker 1: Someone to with. Tony Pauline and I do appear on

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Speaker 1: draft season. It's not just Cowboys stuff. It's all drafts stuff.

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Speaker 1: So if you guys want to listen, you guys should

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Speaker 1: go tune in. You know, on this show, we like

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Speaker 1: to dig deep into analytics. We like to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, players on the field, players off the field.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they just want to get crusty and I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about old school scouting. A guy that's been

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Speaker 1: you won't find anyone crustier than Brian r Us mister

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Speaker 1: brought us. How are you sorry? I'm doing well, John,

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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right about that. When you want to

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Speaker 1: go for the krusty side of football scouting, you've come

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Speaker 1: to the come to the right area. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: He's a man with a clicker, a tape measure, and

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Speaker 1: John even pool chalk. And I'll tell you a real

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Speaker 1: quick little story about pool chalk. Yeah, when you go

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Speaker 1: quick about Gil Brant. One time ran a player in

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Speaker 1: you this, Brian, what pick that you were involved in,

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Speaker 1: so as long as you're doing the work. Smith and

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Speaker 1: just one hundred and eighty five pounds instead of one

427
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six pounds, I'd be all over that. Hey,

428
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: do you think all four of those top corners are

429
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: gone by the time you get to twenty five, given

430
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: the nature of the draft and if they are all

431
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: wiped out, is there anyone else that you would feel

432
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: good about picking at the back end of the round one.

433
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna I think you nailed this. I

434
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: have poorer Gonzalez Witherspoon is my top three is what

435
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: I've got. I love I love the fact that Porter.

436
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: I love his link, I love his height, I love

437
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: how long he is, the range that he plays, I

438
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: love the physicality he plays. With Gonzales is There's not

439
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: a smoother moving guy from Oregon than Gonzalez with a spoon,

440
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: I think has got a lot of really positive traits.

441
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: We traditionally, John, You've been doing this just as long

442
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: as I have. When those quarters start to go, they go,

443
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: they just go. You know, you don't. I don't think

444
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: that you're going to get a shot at Porter Gonzalez

445
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: or with a Spoon in whatever order. I just don't

446
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: think that any one of those guys is going to

447
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: be there. I think, yeah, I think by the time

448
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: we get to seventeen, maybe that quarterback group right there

449
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: will be completely wiped out. The banks one is very

450
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: very interesting to me. Now I know this about Banks

451
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: and the thing that I I've talked to a lot

452
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: of people about him and on the field stuff is

453
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: really really really good. No character problems, know anything else

454
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: that you're kind of dealing with in that other regard,

455
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: But is there are things that you're going to have

456
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: to really work with him on as far as you know, Okay,

457
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: this is scheme, this is what we're gonna do. This

458
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: is a coverage. Is you know how in depth are

459
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: you going to have to get in with Banks about

460
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, his responsibilities and things. All these all these

461
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: players do have a certain level that you have to try.

462
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: And but I was hearing about Banks is like, man,

463
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: you gotta really you gotta coach him, You gotta coach

464
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: him up and stuff like that. So I'm like, you know, hey,

465
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: I look at as a positive thing. That's what coaches do.

466
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: But just keep in mind on that. But you know,

467
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: super super super player. You mentioned the thing about Forbes.

468
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: I'd have him next. But you're right, one hundred and

469
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: sixty six pounds. Is this you know? Is this the

470
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: draft of the outliers? You know? Is this the draft

471
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: that's going to remind everybody, Well, you could play with

472
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty six pound corner. Oh and by

473
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: the way, you could play with a five nine wide

474
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: receiver and all that. So I kind of feel like

475
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: that Banks Forbes Ringo from from Georgia. Now there's an

476
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: interesting one right there, just for the fact that if

477
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: you talk about the size and you talk about the

478
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: measurables and stuff like that, but you could see some

479
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: times that people do run by him, uh, you know,

480
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: but then you can see other times where he's driving

481
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: on the ball, making plays. I mentioned Turner from from

482
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: Michigan might be a slot first guy and then kind

483
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: of play him on the outside those of Now, I

484
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: don't know how you look at Branch from Alabama. I

485
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: personally have him as a safety. There's some teams that

486
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: are looking at him as a corner nicol and then

487
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: maybe an outside guy out Yeah, yeah, fight outside corner.

488
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm I'm just it's it's you

489
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: know what I'm just telling you. I've talked to a

490
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: lot of teams and that because this is one of

491
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: those things where at five eight you're going, I don't

492
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: know if I want to play him a quarner to me,

493
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a safety. And the reason I

494
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: think he's a safety is when he plays down in

495
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: the box in that area. You know, he tackles. But

496
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: but there's people that think he's a corner, and so

497
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, not this guy. This guy thinks

498
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: that he is a safety, and so I know that

499
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: doesn't fit into what we're talking about here. But there's

500
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: some teams that are talking about him. And it'll be

501
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: interesting when he gets picked what he's listed as, because

502
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: we'll see they'll say, oh, he's listen as a corner,

503
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: you know. But I'm I'm I'm gonna leave him in safety.

504
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with Banks Forbes, Ringo Turner, Phillips, Rush

505
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: Cam Smith's another one that from South Carolina that probably

506
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: not I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see him

507
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: go in the second round. But this is a pretty

508
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: pretty deep group of quarterbacks. But where the Giants and

509
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are, you might have to might have to

510
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: reach on one because if you think you're gonna get

511
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: one coming back around in the third, that guy ain't

512
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I mean, it happened in the Cowboys

513
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: before they got digs that way. You know, they drafted

514
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb at seventeen and then turn around and digs

515
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: got to him somehow. I believe it's sixty. But man

516
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: that it just doesn't happen all that often. No, Look,

517
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and I think you nail those guys

518
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: pretty good there corner. Do you think um Branch with

519
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: that time gets to twenty five because I think his tape,

520
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you just look look at grades, I

521
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: think he's a first round player and then you can

522
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: look at position value whatever you want. Do you think

523
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: he gets the twenty five I think again, it's gonna be. Yeah,

524
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: it depends on who if they think he's the safety,

525
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 1: because if people think he's the safety, he'll be the best.

526
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: He'll be the number one safety off the board. That's

527
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: that's just in my opinion, that's the way it is.

528
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a particularly at the top of

529
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: a very good group of safeties, but in the middle

530
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: of that like third, four, fifth round. Yeah, I kind

531
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: of feel that. But yes, if will you have a

532
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: shot to draft him, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say yes.

533
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes because I think I can say

534
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: that the defensive facts that will be taken first or

535
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: all those corners, and then they'll say, all right, we've

536
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: got to have the best safety. You know. I don't

537
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: see particularly, I don't see Dallas doing it, even though

538
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: they could upgrade from Malik Hooker. Again, I'm sorry. I

539
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: know I'm on a Giant's podcast here, but if they

540
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: were to upgrade as a for a free safe, yeah,

541
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: he be a consideration for sure. Now I think both

542
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: the Giants and Dallas Bryan are in the mix for

543
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: an interior defensive lineman at some point the Giants do

544
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: of Dexa Lawrence and Leted Williams. Leonard Williams last year

545
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: of his contractor on a future proof that run defense

546
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: was a big weakness for the Giants last year. For me,

547
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't see a guy that I would be willing

548
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: to take a twenty five a defensive tackle, assuming obviously

549
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: Jyllen Carter is not going to be there, and I'm

550
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: going to assume Kalijah Cant He's not going to be there.

551
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: But I haven't think it's Ben. I am worried about him.

552
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: The first and second down player anyway, He's so I know,

553
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: people make the Aaron Donald comparison because of the hell

554
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: like you look at his body type, that dude is

555
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: not Aaron Donald. He's just no, he's quick as hell,

556
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: but he cannot hold up there physically. He just can't. Yeah,

557
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing. He has got to play on the move.

558
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: And I think that I think you're right. I think

559
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: people see the cloth and they see the six one

560
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: and the two hundred eighty one pounds and they kind

561
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: of feel like they got the same player. It's not

562
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: the same player. It's just not. Now, let me ask

563
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: you John about that. But because I do think can't

564
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be closed. I think it's gonna

565
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: be closed. But where do you where do you see

566
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Bricy from Clemson? Where do you do you? Do you

567
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: like anything with Bricy from from Clemson and all or

568
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: that's something that I'm way out of balance on. No. Look,

569
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: I think he's got really good feet. I see the

570
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: quickness there to kind of one gap and get a field.

571
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 1: I thought i'd see a more powerful player. I went

572
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: back and I watched his twenty twenty one film. It

573
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: was a little bit better. So I will say that, um,

574
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: I I would be more comfortable picking him in the

575
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: second round than I would the first. I think he's

576
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: a year or two away from being a run stopping

577
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman. And if I'm drafting an interior defensive

578
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: lineman early in this draft, I want a three down player. Um,

579
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: I would not take him there. And the same reason.

580
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of the opposite way, right, I see the

581
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,719
Speaker 1: more pass rushing potential for for Bresse. You look at

582
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: Mazzi Smith, I just don't see any pass like you know.

583
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: He's on Bruce Felban's freak list. He's at the top.

584
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: And I see the strength like Brian, You'll see it.

585
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: He'll lock out that offensive lineman, wait for the running back,

586
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: move him once he sees the gap and make a play.

587
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: He's great at that, but he just doesn't get a field.

588
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the scheme. I don't know, But those

589
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: two guys, I would be much more comfortable making those

590
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: selections in the second round than the first. And then

591
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: I really like Auta Bare I think is a three tech.

592
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a really disruptive player if

593
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: you're running an even front. Right again, I would feel

594
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: more comfortable to pick four or thirty five than I

595
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: would probably at twenty five. Yeah, I see what you're

596
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: seeing about Smith. And did I pronounce that brussee? Is that?

597
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: How did you? Did you think it's bruse? Maybe I'm wrong.

598
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll tell you what I mean. I

599
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: gotta Danell know, Yeah, Dane will absolutely no, that's what

600
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: brussee bru see whatever, whatever. I totally agree with your situation.

601
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: People tell me go watch the North Carolina film on him,

602
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: that that he just lights it up. And I've yet

603
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: to grab the North airline of film. And I'm but

604
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: that's the guy. When you start to talk about guys

605
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: that you could potentially be really really wrong about, I'll

606
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: start with that Clemson defensive tackle because he's the type

607
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: of guy that you can watch him make like some

608
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: really nice plays, and then you can watch him get

609
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: knocked off the ball four straight snaps, you know, and

610
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: you're like, well, why would I want this guy right now?

611
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: Why would I want? So? I think that I think

612
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: there's a kind of a I don't know if he's

613
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: a sleeper guy, but Benton from Wisconsin is a really

614
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: good and I love his toughness. I really, really really

615
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: do love his toughness. Have you watched it? But real quick?

616
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: Have you watched him against John Michael Schmidt in the

617
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: Minnesota game. I will be seeing what games I see.

618
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Let's see what games I've got from him. I watched

619
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Michigan State in Ohio State with the two. I watch,

620
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: yeah when you have a second, because I think of

621
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the of the inside on because I love John Michael Schmidts.

622
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: Then I watched Contel Betton move him around and I

623
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I like Betton a little bit

624
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: more and I like John Michael Schmidts a little bit less. Yeah.

625
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: The thing about that with John Michael Smith's he will

626
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: snatch those wide techniques though, you know, right outside and

627
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we talked about the whole

628
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: thing with Linderbaum from Iowa last was it last year?

629
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: We did that whole thing, and uh, there's things about

630
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: these I mean, I mean, I'm a John Michael Smitts fan.

631
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't see it. But if I could

632
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: circle back aside, my bad I interrupted just hard. Oh No,

633
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm good. Um. I think that this guy really plays

634
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: with a burst and he's disrupted. He's a quick pass rusher.

635
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he has a whole heck of a

636
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: lot of pass rush moves. But his arm over one

637
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: is like good enough and you'll kind of figure out.

638
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,959
Speaker 1: But he gets rid of blockers and he could put

639
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback. He's square playing the run. You

640
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: don't see him get turned or knocked around or off

641
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: balance or anything like that. He's kind of always in

642
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the position to make the like he's strong enough where

643
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: he turns the ball back to somebody else to make

644
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: a play. So the Michigan State game, he had some

645
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: really nice goal line stops. I mean, like when you

646
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: run the ball right at him, he can he can

647
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: make plays but that but when the ball goes away,

648
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: you see him go and get the football. So I

649
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: think that if you're talking about kind of a I

650
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: don't know if he's a sleeper guy, because everybody knows

651
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: there's not sleeper guys. But but Ben for the offensive

652
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: or some be for the defensive tackles. I don't think

653
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: he's getting nearly enough credit that he deserves. Hey, I

654
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: haven't had I'm looking at my board right now. I

655
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: haven't ahead of Ozzy Smith on my board. To be

656
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: honest with you, idea I don't think you're wrong. I

657
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: don't think you're wrong at all. Yeah. Um, I kind

658
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: of reference this with John Michael Schmidt, same way, Brian.

659
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I see any of these interior

660
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: offensive lineman as first round players. And again maybe the

661
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: Giants and Dallas of twenty five and twenty six aren't

662
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: taking first round players there, they're taking second round guys,

663
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: which is fine. Well if Sky somehow people people have

664
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: him guard because of the short arm arm league. All right,

665
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm said I should have said besides, but yeah, but Torrets,

666
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I learned how to say this name. It's Abula. Okay.

667
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: I watched this tape. I watched this Center tape from

668
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: last year. It was good. His twenty one Center tape

669
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: is good. Yeah, yeah, I you know, it's there's a

670
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: kind of that group, like I said, Tourrets from Florida,

671
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: Abula from TCU, depending on where you have the North

672
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: Dakota uh state kit. Yeah, where you have him, I

673
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: think is kind of they're all John Michael Smith's tipman

674
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. They're all kind of in that group where

675
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: if you see him the second round and there's a

676
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: run on interior guys, those are the names they're gonna go.

677
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Those are the names. I'll tell you a guy that

678
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: people are kind of laid on it. And I don't know.

679
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Maffi kid from you Ucla? He's

680
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: actually by list today. He's on my list for today

681
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: to watch. Please watch him. He is one of the things,

682
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: like you watched there's uh, there's the quarterback from UCLA

683
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: that you yeah, you evaluate and like all of a

684
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: sudden you shop it back and you know there's the

685
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: left guard, you know as Maffie's block, a block of blocking,

686
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: and then the quarterback takes off running. And it's kind

687
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: of one of those guys where like if he had

688
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback that that would play stationary because there's a

689
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: lot of times like, oh, let's go up as block.

690
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: He let us go his block because his quarterback is

691
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: one two and run is what he is. So you know,

692
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: if you watch Mofi from UCLA play and he is

693
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: a powerful guy. They pull him, they move him the

694
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: second level, they get him out on screens. He's a guy.

695
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Him and Zavala. Those were two he's at North Carolina State.

696
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: I thought there was kind of like two in tier

697
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about guards, but if you look at

698
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: there's really more than that. There's Torrence Abula Bradford from

699
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: the LSU. I know my alma mater. I'm a trust me.

700
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: I love LSU players, but I'm a little leriou about him.

701
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: Bradford's are really good players. Mafis. There's a group of guys,

702
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: like I said, that second third round group that I

703
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: think people are gonna pick from in this draft. I

704
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: want to pop a couple of different groups with the

705
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: real quick edge rusher. I wonder about Miles Murphy Brian,

706
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't see I know we tested really well in

707
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: his pro day. I don't know if that shows up

708
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: on tape as much as I would like to see it.

709
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: He doesn't dominate games. I guess he's an option if

710
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: you guess the twenty five no one spent an not

711
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna be there as much as people might like him

712
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: to be. He's he's just too good. What do you

713
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: think about that next group of pass rushers, the bj Ojularis,

714
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: the Will McDonald's. I'm assuming Luca's van ness is gonna

715
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: go though. I think he's very raw. I think he's

716
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: got a lot of work. When you mentioned Murphy came

717
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: into my mind was van Ness. Okay, if I'm gonna

718
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: be wrong about the Clemson tackle, I could be really

719
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: wrong about the van Ness. And there's a lot again

720
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: if you trust the Dame Brugler, and I love Dan.

721
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I've worked with Dane for eleven years on doing this

722
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: and he usually is right about these guys. And he's

723
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: got van Ness at ten and his top A lot

724
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: of people do. I don't see it. I might. I

725
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: don't see it, man, I just don't. I start like,

726
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: if you put him up on a podium, You're like, dude,

727
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: that guy that he looks like a defensive end, defensive

728
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: tackle or whatever, but he doesn't like you don't. He's

729
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: just he just runs straight and he doesn't have moves.

730
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm saying. And Iowa, Iowa has

731
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: these guys. I always put some good defensive players. They're

732
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: really steady, they're really solid, they're really dependable, They're all

733
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: these things you want to say nice about players. Is Iowa.

734
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: But with van Ness, I do not see a top

735
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: ten player. And if he goes, if he goes, I'm

736
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna lie John. I'm gonna be happy.

737
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy because I don't want van Ness.

738
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: I want van Ness to get to you at twenty

739
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: five and you pick him. Hey, hey, knowing r luck,

740
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: he'll get drafted by Philly a ten. He'll have twelve

741
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: sacks next year playing well, and you and I will

742
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: come back and like, when we see each other, we'll go, hey,

743
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: how long will we about van Ness? But I agree

744
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: with you, Noland Smith. You know when you're watching last year,

745
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: not this year, but we were watching last year, watching

746
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis and all these guys play it Georgia. Last year,

747
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: remember it was like, well, who's that guy with a

748
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: single digit? Who? Who's that guy? Oh, that's that Nolan Smith.

749
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Don't worry about him. You'll catch him. You know, Well,

750
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: he's he's a hell of a player. He really is.

751
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not just the testing, it's he is

752
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: a legitimate player. I'll take you another thing again. I

753
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: love for Lsu. You mentioned Ojilari. Um, he's a good

754
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: pass rusher man. He knows he's a good pass rusher.

755
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: He's a good pass rusher. And you know he played

756
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: in on some teams that weren't great, and he was

757
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: the best player on the defense for LSU and you know,

758
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: but man, he physically looks the part, the effort, the motor,

759
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: the desire, all that stuff about him is his top

760
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: shelf McDonald from Iowa State, same way, same way, same

761
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: type of player. Uh, you know, I just think there's

762
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: a there's there's things about about him. They're golay. Well,

763
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and thirty six in thirty eight whatever pounds.

764
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: You know. I'm like, man, this guy can rush the passer.

765
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: He just can. He's got that up the field, he

766
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: can redirect. I mean, I think this is a pretty

767
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: deep group when it comes to these uh these edge

768
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: edge players. Maybe maybe I'm blind about the kid White

769
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: from Georgia Tech. I don't see anything. I don't see

770
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: any of him and Fosky from Notre Dame. It's kind

771
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: of in that mode right now where if somebody else

772
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: were to take those guys, I can talk about some

773
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: positive traits, but I could also be in my heart

774
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: of hearts. If you're a cowboy fan or a giant

775
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: stand know that if you if somebody else took those guys,

776
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: you probably gonna be okay. Dell has Media scouts are

777
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: a lot higher on those guys than maybe what the

778
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: teams are. Yeah, now I'm with you. I think Derek

779
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: Hall has some juice as a Day two pack. He

780
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: can fire off the edge a little bit it and

781
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: I put kind of Zach Harrison more in that Foskey

782
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: category where he's kind of big, his heavy hand, doesn't

783
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: have a lot of burst, and a lot of people

784
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: saying that Yaya Dyabi's moving up the board, and I

785
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: like his traits, but I think there's a lot of

786
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: work to do on some of his on some of

787
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: his pass rush moves. Though, to be honest with you,

788
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: i'd tell you what it's a He is an interesting

789
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: player to watch. He's a good looking player, man. Yeah,

790
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: he is a really good looking player. Yeah, he fits

791
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the role. Uh, John's probably gonna pick a tight end

792
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: because of the Darren Waller trade and they, you know,

793
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: blashed the bell and why did you go off and

794
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: do that? Waller only three make it? You know, by

795
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: the way, what do you think about that guy? What

796
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: about your guy? When he left you guys to go

797
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville and what he what kind of season? I'm

798
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: not on look, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Everything's

799
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: a good football player. He just dropped passes in the

800
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: worst possible times when he was with the Giants, like

801
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: big play, third down against Philadelphia, fourth water drop. But

802
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: he was a good player, and he was a great

803
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: dude too. He can't I'd tell you what, man I.

804
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've done Cowboys

805
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: pregame shows where they're playing the Giants and I talk

806
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: about I talk about that tight end like he's the

807
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: second coming up Mark Bavaro, you know these toy makes

808
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: players got hurt again. Well, you know, I'm just usually

809
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: with the Giant players, I'm usually not wrong about him,

810
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: but man, I was really really right. He goes my

811
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: man Doug Peterson. Doug and I are friends, Doug takes him,

812
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: Doug works with him, and next thing you know, he's like,

813
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: he's a Pro Bowl tight end. I'm like I told

814
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: dougas said, hey, thanks for making me look good on him,

815
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: because for years I thought he was a Pro Bowl. Well,

816
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Brian, it's funny like and I don't

817
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: make comms lightly and I hate people that pick like

818
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: third round players and commental Hall of Famer I think

819
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. But I think with this tight end class.

820
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: And I say this understanding what it means. Michael Mayer

821
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: looks like Jason Witten to me, like, that's what he

822
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: looks like. And by the way, Dalton kincaid kind of

823
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: looks like Travis Kelsey. And I understand Travis Kelsey's unbelievable

824
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: with a Hall of Famer, but Dalton Kincaide's a receiver.

825
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: Holy smokes, that dude is awesome. Yeah, you mentioned you

826
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: mentioned Mayor, and I was. I was part of the

827
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: draft in Dallas and Oh three that drafted Witton and

828
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: the he was our last player in the first round

829
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: with a grade of one to one nine. So he

830
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: had been in the bottom of the first round on

831
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: our board. But that was the draft when they had

832
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark, L. J. Smith they had. It was like this, uh,

833
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: just all kinds of tight ends. And they kept going

834
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: off the board, and we got in the third round

835
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: and Jerry looks at Parcels and goes, Bill, we gotta

836
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: take Witton, right, we gotta take him. And Bill goes, yeah,

837
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: we can take him now, let's take him. And you

838
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: know I wasn't taking the second who the Cowboys picking

839
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: the second round instead of him? That's what I want

840
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: to know. Oh no, it's like J. J. Smith. Remember

841
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Philadelphia took Dallas Park went uh, Carolina took a guy

842
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: from UCLA that h jeez, what's his name? But that

843
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: these tight ends went off towards the cop we took

844
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: Johnson the Center from Wisconsin because soon we took in

845
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: that draft Parsell that was parcels. But parcels. I'll say

846
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: this about Parcels. He had a vision for what Jason

847
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Witten was going to be. He absolutely, I mean, one

848
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Witton was on that board was

849
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: that he had a vision for what Bim could have.

850
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Really evaluate tight ends he really really cool and but

851
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: he had a vision for Jason Witten. So but yeah,

852
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: you're right about this tidy group. I'll say this though,

853
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: for your LUs I don't know if you've there's some

854
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: questions about about Ore. Are you tass his back? Kincaid's

855
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: back and he's dealing with because he didn't he didn't

856
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: work out at his pro day and stuff like that.

857
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: I talked to some trainers around the league about it.

858
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: I said, hey, hey, give him the story. Tight end back,

859
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: what's the deal. Everyone came back and said listen, probably

860
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: not if you draft him. Probably not gonna be ready

861
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: for a mini camp, Probably not gonna be ready for

862
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: an OTA, but would be ready for training camp if

863
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: you drafted him. So again, it's a tight end, it's

864
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: a back. Just something to keep in mind is you're

865
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: looking at your board, if you see McBride slip a

866
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: little bit, maybe it's because teams think the back is

867
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: more concerned than the guys I've talked. Just something to

868
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: keep in mind as you're falling along in the draft.

869
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, I just want to

870
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: get your take on it. My third one, my third

871
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: tight end is Sam Laporta Brian and I would be

872
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: okay picking him at the end of the first round.

873
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: Like he is a one two grade for me. He's

874
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: an Iowa tight end. He was on an awful offense

875
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: that still produced. He runs great routes, he's got good hands.

876
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: You know in Iowa you're gonna be able to block

877
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think he's going to be a very,

878
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: very very good pro. And I would take him before Musgrave.

879
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: I would take him before Donald Washington, to be quite

880
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: honest with you, that's just me. I'll tell you what

881
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: man there, you can. I feel like you could throw

882
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: a blanket over the top of this group and you'd

883
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: be just fine. I personally, I really do respect what

884
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: you're saying about laport I do acstlutely think he's in

885
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: the mix on that I would throw. I would throw

886
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: Craft in there too. The from South Dakota State is

887
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: what I would do. Now again, please be in mind

888
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: that you know they they do play, they do play

889
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: some good football up there. I mean it used to

890
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: be where you were playing against cattle ranchers and pharmacists,

891
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: send accountants and people like that. But you're playing you know,

892
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: North Dakota State lives here in Dallas. North Dakota State.

893
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: They those residents of North Dakota might as will be

894
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: paying taxes here because they're here every single year in

895
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: the playoffs for the championship South Dakota State. I mean,

896
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: watch the film the kids playing against Colorado State and

897
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: North Dakota States. They're playing good football. But Craft, I

898
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: really I really like him and I but I totally

899
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: totally get what you're saying about Laporta. Um I always

900
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: done a good job at these tight ends. They have.

901
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: They've they've they've put several of them in the league.

902
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: They're very productive players. Uh you know, you you have

903
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: to you have to respect. Uh yeah, you're but you're right,

904
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: very bad offense. Probably didn't play to the level of

905
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: where this guy really is as a player. All right, final,

906
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: final one for you and then I'll give you the

907
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: Florida to freelance. I felt like I've done that for

908
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: the last twenty five. Have a little um. We talked

909
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: about Bijean. I know you loved Jimmy or Gibbs as

910
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: the first round pick two. Yeah, if you're waiting, and

911
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: I think the Giants would say Quan on a franchise

912
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: tag probably would wait until round three or four, probably

913
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: closing around four or five for a running back. Who

914
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: are some of those late round guys that you really

915
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: liked that could be there, because you know you talked

916
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: about earlier with ice cream flavors, Right, this is a

917
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: middle round ice cream flavor running back type of draft.

918
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: What are you looking for? Who are the guys that

919
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: you like? Yeah, I'll tell you what you're I do.

920
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: I have two first round grades and this is maybe

921
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: it's the crusty part of me. I'm just about draft

922
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: drafting football players, you know I can. I started doing this.

923
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: I'm over one hundred and ninety five players now one

924
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: hundred ninety six players. I'm still going to the draft.

925
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep going until I get tired of

926
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: looking at him. But I started with Bejean Robertson way

927
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: back in December first and nothing about Bijean Robertson has changed.

928
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: Is far the more that I've gotten depth with this draft.

929
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: If you're just looking for a football player, John Robinson

930
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: is that guy. He's He's the absolute guy. And I'll

931
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: say this though too, Gibbs at Alabama if you were

932
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: looking for another back, I personally like I said Robinson

933
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: Gibbs both first round players. Gibbs to me, when the

934
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: ability to run, the ability to he's a complete player.

935
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: He runs, he does a great job in receptions. You

936
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: see him make him plays down the field and you

937
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: see him blitz pick up. It's one of the reasons

938
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: why that young has had the success that he's had

939
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: is guys like like Gibbs stepping across the pocket, picking

940
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: up a blitzer and taking career of that guy as

941
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: the ball goes down the field. So to me, I

942
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: would love to have either one of those guys. When

943
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned about those guys down the line, I think

944
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: you have to look at Spears from Tulane would be

945
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: a kid. It really really big. Speef from Auburn is

946
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: another one. And then Robertson's teammate Roshawn Johnson from Texas

947
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: is another one. Explosive player, similar traits catches. Maybe doesn't

948
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: have the blocking ability that what Robinson has, but when

949
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: you're when you're looking at those, when you're looking at those,

950
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: like you know, maybe two three backs. H Evans from

951
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Old Miss a personal favorite of mind I know on

952
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: Twitter I talk about him quite a bit. Is Macintosh

953
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: from Georgia is another one that he's got that ability

954
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: to like you see with him, they put him in

955
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: the backfield on third down, they hand in the ball

956
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: when there's lightbox, he gets positive yards, he can finish runs.

957
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: He's great too, great receiver. They put him wide and

958
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: they'll throwing tunal screens and stuff like that with blockers

959
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: out in front, great patients, great hands. So this is

960
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: a really really really deep group. So if you're looking

961
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: for somebody to put behind, to be put behind, say

962
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: Quan and then potentially if they move on much like

963
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could very well move on from Pollard. You

964
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: want to have that guy that's available and ready to

965
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: go where there's not this huge drop off. But all

966
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: those guys, all those backs I mentioned, I feel like

967
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: this drafted when it comes to running back to go

968
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: down probably five rounds before you know, before you're like, okay,

969
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: I can't pick a running back here anymore. When recording

970
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: this Brian on Monday, it's going to air literally two

971
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: weeks before the draft. Looks like the one thing you're

972
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: thinking about that's top of mind for you with the

973
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: draft about two weeks away. Yeah, I'm if you're if

974
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: you're if you're a fan of the Giants or fan

975
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys, I'm fascinating what Philadelphia is going to

976
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: do at ten. I really do. I'm fascinated. I'm always

977
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: fascinated as as as a guy who worked in this

978
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: worked in this division with the Cowboys for all these years.

979
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: I've always interested in how can I beat the Giants,

980
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: how can I beat the Commanders, how can I beat

981
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: the Eagles? And I always look at a draft that way.

982
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: I always look if I don't win my division, I'm

983
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: not gonna you know, I could get in the playoffs,

984
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 1: but I need to win my division. And I said

985
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: this earlier. I think the Giants have become a better

986
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: drafting team. I think they're better coached. I think they're

987
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: not going to make mistakes. I just don't see the

988
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: Giants making mistakes. The Eagles, they're very aggressive. They're very

989
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: much a team that has a general manager that will

990
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: put all the chips in the table. And you know,

991
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: if he's moving picks or going after a guy, or

992
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: moving his own picks to try and get a guy,

993
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated how how he's going to operate there. I

994
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: think the Commanders are a quarterback away from being really

995
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: good to a good guy. I think they've got really

996
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: good personnel on defense. I think they're building their offensive line.

997
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: You look at their skill guys got tight end their

998
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: quarterback away. Will this be the year that the Commanders

999
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: get a quarterback? When they pick one of those quarterbacks,

1000
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: slide to them. The Commanders are uncanny. It's like the

1001
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: ravings good players. Just you think it's a top five

1002
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: player and the next thing you know, the Commanders are

1003
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: picking a guy at seventeen and you're going, how the

1004
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: hell did that just happen, you know. So I look

1005
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: at this from a division standpoint. You know, I am

1006
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: now in a fight where I am drafting against teams

1007
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: that I think are better equipped to not make mistakes.

1008
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: So that compounds what I have to do. And I

1009
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: can't make mistakes. I have to feel like and the Cowboys.

1010
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: I know from talking on the Cowboys into things, they've

1011
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: done a really good job. One of the things they

1012
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: love to do is draft. They love to draft players.

1013
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: So the fact that they gave up a couple of

1014
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: compensatories to give up players, you know, that's something. But

1015
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: I would say this if I'm a Giant stand I

1016
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: think you guys are in great hands, and I think

1017
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: your roster is going to be better. And I, as Cowboys,

1018
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: a guy that follows the Cowboys and work for the Cowboys,

1019
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: I would be concerned about the Giants, I'd be concerned

1020
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: about the Commanders, and I'd be concerned about the Eagles.

1021
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: I think we saw that with the way this division

1022
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: can be like what we saw last year, it could

1023
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: be like this every year. This is the way that

1024
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: these these teams are. So I'm always fascinated by that.

1025
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: And one final thing on that I'm also fascinated how

1026
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are going to get and how that you know,

1027
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: how did all the maneuvering payoff of the teams? Did

1028
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: they really really get the guy that they absolutely wanted

1029
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or a team or a thing that can set

1030
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: your organization back if you don't get it right for sure.

1031
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: But I'd say it should be a fun draft, john

1032
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: really absolutely And by the way, I would did some

1033
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 1: advanced scouting, listened to a few draft shows a little

1034
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: past week. You're welcome for Linda Wells. It sounds like

1035
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: you guys are pretty happy about it. Remember you texted

1036
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: me when the Cowboys hired. I'm like, dude, good tight

1037
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: ends coach, and it sounds like they've been pretty happy

1038
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: with him down there. Huh he might you know what, Johnny,

1039
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: he might be the best offensive line coach on the staff. Yeah,

1040
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: but he was the assistant on line up here before

1041
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: with the tight end yep. I have never heard a

1042
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: negative thing about him as a coach, So yes, as

1043
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: a cowboy follower and a cowboy think a cowboy, a

1044
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: guy who grew up in Dallas. Thank you for because

1045
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys coaching situation. If you're a Giants fan, there's

1046
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of things circling about this offensive staff right now,

1047
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: and Wells is not one of the issues. What's gonna

1048
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: happen at OC, What's gonna happen at running backs coach?

1049
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen at O line? A lot of juggling

1050
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: chain saw us down here, John, juggling change. I remember

1051
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: these coaching says are related. Is when the giants have

1052
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: been macadoo, they had a lot of them, Mike McCarthy

1053
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: guys up year, and now they're the guys being high

1054
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: by McCarthy, like Solario is up here for a couple

1055
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Speaker 1: of years on online. So there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of crossing of the wires. Aberte, I

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Speaker 1: know you didn't jump in there and give me the

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Speaker 1: Mike Solari. That's a great higher recommendation. And I know

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Speaker 1: you didn't jump in on that one, Mike Solario, like Solari,

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Speaker 1: did you kill hiving protest? Mike Solari did a good

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Speaker 1: job up here. Brian enjoyed the draft, my friend. I

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Speaker 1: will talk to you soon. Brother, Thank you, John, appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Happy drafted Where Brian brought us on, John Schmalk it's

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Speaker 1: another giant huddle brought to you by PSC and G.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.