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Speaker 1: what happened. I was talking about a new I was

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Speaker 1: a gentleman. It was like a meth ring, a drug ring,

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Speaker 1: reason why many years ago the mistake happened. Where I

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Speaker 1: how even these folks leave a little bit of space

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Speaker 1: Happened a few days after the anniversary of the battle

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Speaker 1: brands Well, it's kind too. It's either depending on how

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Speaker 1: they've had a they excavated a piece of chewing gum

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Speaker 1: They kill the old They kill you Rich, the new

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Speaker 1: at a place that has a hunting blind. You can

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00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: hog hunt from our hunting blind that holds ten people.

426
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: This blind has a TV that receives live game camera footage.

427
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: A poker table air conditioning in a fully stocked bar

428
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: sounds like a house. This is in Texas. It has

429
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: to be the only the only mistake in that is

430
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: the word hunt. If you call it what it is,

431
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: then it's pretty luxurious situation. Um still wait for my reply.

432
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Uh so layout for like like layout how one can hunt?

433
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: Can I tell you this though? You know the poop piles,

434
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 1: like the poop and piles you showed me this the

435
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: circular latrines. Yeah, they make a pile. Llamas do that.

436
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: They mark their territory by making poop piles. They're all over.

437
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Let's do a really good job of describing the poop problem. Okay,

438
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: you describe some live chatting with the I'm live chatting

439
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: with the poker table. Oh yeah. Asked her how she

440
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: described no guy that trees? She doesn't have No, she

441
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have no guy doll a like a party in

442
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: this blind or they got all kinds. It's like one

443
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: of those places where they have everything in the world

444
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: chained up on a mark. Or is this high fenced?

445
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: I can hunt anything I want. It's probably like a

446
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: luxurious a bongo action video on a wildebeast. I can

447
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: hunt an Arabian orcs. Is there a tiger on the left?

448
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: Let me check. I can hunt an impala? What about

449
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: a draft order one for you. I can hunt Texas

450
00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: doll sheep like hunted Thompson's gazelle, water buffalo. Will the

451
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: beast zebra? Should? I ask her? I don't want to

452
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: mess with the lady. It's a phenomenal No lions. I

453
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: only put in a question. I ask you any lions. Okay,

454
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: let's get back to me. Yeah. So no, I was

455
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: because guiding got quite a few people from Texas. They

456
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: would come to Colorado a lot, and uh we you know,

457
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: somehow always gets not always, but over the course of

458
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: the years, numerous times I heard about these animals Nil

459
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: guy and everybody. If they tell you about nil Guy,

460
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna tell you about their poop pile. They know

461
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: they don't well that's that was my experience. They tell

462
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: you about they'll take you can't bring them down. No,

463
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to. Actually hadn't heard that until we

464
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: got ready for this trip. So people anyways, you know

465
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: the way it was described to me, I was imagining

466
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: something that used to it would be big enough to

467
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: play King of the hill on like Steve would run

468
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: up there and I run up at room and push

469
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: him off the edge of the No guy, that train

470
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: pile there's not quite that impressive, Okay, I was imagining

471
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: ship pile. Yeah, well, with all due respect, piles have

472
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: been reported to be as high as ten feet, but

473
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that India has a hundred thousands of

474
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: these things. Maybe the average pile that we saw was

475
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: i'd say three to five feet in diameter and you know,

476
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: only a few inches above the They never got taller.

477
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: It seemed like they just got wider, like the bigger

478
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: ones were greater circumference. I had a hunt plan of

479
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: spreading out laxatives and then sitting one of them poop piles. Yeah,

480
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I was thinking. But there's so

481
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: many food piles that it doesn't it's not like, you know,

482
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: it's not like like a water hole in the desert.

483
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's like welly every depending on on the area,

484
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: but every like yards, there's a there's a good way

485
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: to some spots, like every fifty yards depending on it's

486
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: a good way of putting it. But the place we'round.

487
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: We talked about the place we're on. Sure, go ahead

488
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: and tell everybody about the place. So it's on the

489
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of just south of the King Ranch. It doesn't

490
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: extend all the way to the Gulf, but it just

491
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: occupies a good section of that rolling, super sandy, kind

492
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: of dune influenced brush country. How do you become friends

493
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: of those guys? Um, that's a long story. One of

494
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: one of the friends of our host was sold artichokes

495
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: the farmers market years ago, and so back then artichokes

496
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: were a big deal for us and how unique they were. Well,

497
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: there's there's more. There's a couple more options for artichow.

498
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: But at the time he had background just you'll only

499
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: sell stuff in his restaurant from Texas, right, so if

500
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: they don't come from Texas, so when you see some,

501
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: you don't have it exciting like an artichoke which has

502
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: a very short season. We would we would jump all

503
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: over that and even as olives and ship right yeah, yeah, yeah,

504
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: name it. Uh So we we would buy a ton

505
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: of artichokes and preserve them or you know, do whatever

506
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: it is we could. Um to really kind of celebrate

507
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: the artichokes. So this guy's like, why are you buying

508
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: some many artichokes? And it turns out he was from Brownsville, UM.

509
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, we started talking hunting this stuff

510
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: like that. And then his friend he's like, oh, by

511
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: the way, I got his friends some land and like okay,

512
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: And then I go there and they're like, oh, this

513
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: is this is a very special place. Like they don't

514
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: really hunt it. No they don't. I mean the deer

515
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: were they don't bait it friendly, they don't bait it. No,

516
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: there's no feeders, there's no blinds, there's there's the only

517
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: high fence is the one that exists on the south

518
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: side of the property, which is the neighbors. And so

519
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: these are all very free ranging animals, but very but

520
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: it's weird to be in Texas and not there's no

521
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: blinds and no feeders. Yeah, it's it's pretty refreshing. I

522
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: really enjoy still animals everywhere everywhere. Yeah, there's there's not

523
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting pressure me. So turkeys have alena

524
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: lots of pigs um. And then the deer, which were

525
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: just they don't get any pressure. And it was fascinating

526
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: to see what happens with a deer population that doesn't

527
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: get any hunting pressure. How how just uh familiar they

528
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: become with with humans. And it was also the rut.

529
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean they were in the middle of it. So

530
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: the males were acting dumb. Yeah. Uh, I was telling

531
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: someone yesterday. It's like we didn't really we didn't really

532
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: go out like hunt a Neil guy. It was kind

533
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: of like a harvest harvest hunt. Yeah, well, meaning it

534
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: was there were just so many of them. There were

535
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: you have to pick them. I mean, you put that

536
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: in a negative way. It was a good stock I thought.

537
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, but it wasn't like I was after an hour.

538
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: I wasn't like, man, I'm wonderful, we'll get one if

539
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I know. It's just like, oh I could see now. Yeah,

540
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: they're they're thick, They're they're like a little wary, like

541
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, they're a little wary. Yeah, but you kind

542
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: of get the sense. Yeah I don't want to see.

543
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't like it was like hunting, but no, they

544
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: were Actually this guy were the most the spookiest animals

545
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: out of everything that we ran across on that range. Yeah,

546
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: for sure, they must get persecuted a little bit more. Yeah, Well,

547
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: the pigs had they been down wind of us, way

548
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: more sensitive. And you know the we saw you know,

549
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: a pig, that one pig that ran across the road.

550
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean he wasn't having it. They know, I mean

551
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: pigs are just naturally like that. But uh yeah, the

552
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: no guy, they know that there's pressure on them for sure.

553
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: So could a dude if he wanted to go to

554
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: that ranch in like book A Hunt for Nil Guy. Yeah,

555
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: there's outfitters that are allowed onto that ranch, but it's

556
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty limited, I got you, But it could

557
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: It is possible, Yes, absolutely, there's the there's hunting out there.

558
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: We went out in the morning and what's the what's

559
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the word? I can't? I wish I could sin Darryl

560
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: h like a road right, Yeah, there's like a two

561
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: track sendaro. It's Spanish for two track, just a lot

562
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: cooler than the road sendero. Yeah. So it's the ship

563
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: out here is low, very thick, very flat. Everything's how

564
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: highs everything you know, mesquite mesquite high ten. Yeah, but

565
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: you can't see you can't see ship once you're in it.

566
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: But there's it's open. There's big openings around here and there,

567
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: and there's sindarios like roads that cut through it, and

568
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: the roads through this place or when they used to

569
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: do uh, seismic surveys for oil exploration. You see that

570
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: ship in the Arctic too, where don't like grid out

571
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: on these grid patterns, these road systems, and they lay

572
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: them out so they could go and do um searching

573
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: for fossil fuels. And these are now somebod these have

574
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: been maintained as senderos. And you're ride out now and

575
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: then every time you get to one there they're straight

576
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: straight roads and you get some one to look down like,

577
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: oh ship and you see one across the road. Um,

578
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: we go out wander around, Uh, not so much, wanter,

579
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: because we're headed to this big opening. What would you

580
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: guys call that giant opening we're in. I mean, i'd

581
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: call it a meadow. I'm sure they don't, but just

582
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: them Nate they call there's the big one down there,

583
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: they call the pland grande. That's the big plane. Um,

584
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: and there's that that it's a couple of miles long

585
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: and it kind of weaves through there, and there's that

586
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: low spot that floods out some years, but it was

587
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: very dry this time. But it's natural. It's not cut. Yeah,

588
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: and we pull up an air and you can you

589
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: can see forever, and you take your vernaculars and it's

590
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: just like white tails and nilghai just scattered and there's

591
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: bowls running around, the smattering of gazelles. There's one gazelle.

592
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: One gazelle. Yeah, the one gazelle up near the house.

593
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Now we saw more really driving No not he's talking

594
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: about the os. No, they're like those little guys with

595
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: not the water bucks, not the water bus. I think

596
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: that was the same one, the same Thompson's gazelle that

597
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: lived in the pasture near the house. I think we

598
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: saw more of those somewhere. Not many, anyways, Lots of

599
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: credits run around and it's but the weird thing is,

600
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: it's like I always saw all that ship was like

601
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: fenced in in Texas, and it normally is, but except

602
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: for here. That's why, I mean, it's just absolutely yeah,

603
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: absolutely well, they got crazy Africa stuff running around everywhere.

604
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: But there's hundreds of thousands of acres down there that

605
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: are all the fence that all have a mix of

606
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: these animals on them. So it's you know, I don't

607
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: know what the proper term is, but there are you

608
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: know there's orex and water buck and no guy running

609
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: around out therefore for that matter, farrell hawks and no

610
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: regulations on them like that. Dude, we were with that

611
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: part of the family that owns the place. If he

612
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: felt like he could go out in and shoot a

613
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: big pile of works, yeah, all of them. You know,

614
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: there's there's no limit and you're you know, the license,

615
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: the out of state license, I believe fifty dollars, and

616
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: now there's no you can hunt pigs with no license

617
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: even a non residents nonresidents and residents can hunt ferreal

618
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: hogs with no license. That's that's an absurd Yeah, that

619
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: wasn't Parks of Wildlife call? You mean, because why not

620
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: have the state pulls some revenue off it? Yeah, why

621
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: not educate a hunter and and collect some money for conservation.

622
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Well, yeah, but it wasn't. It

623
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: wasn't Parks on Wildlife's call. You know what I like

624
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: about Texas when uh they made it. You can shoot

625
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: pigs from the helicopters. You know, you can shoot him

626
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: from a hot air balloon. I know, like they cleared

627
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: up shooting him for helicopters recreationally. But then someone realized

628
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: that there was like an oversight or a mistake was

629
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: made and you weren't allowed to shoot him from hot

630
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: air balloons. So the Texas State legislator legislature got back together,

631
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: like cleared up that little that little bit of nonsense.

632
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: So now you can so you can feel them from

633
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: hot air balloons as well. Well you don't like ambiguity, yeah,

634
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: uh yeah, but it was fun, man. And then we

635
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: go out and uh crawled up on one and we're

636
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: hunker down loan and they're they're running. Yeah, they're running,

637
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: and they have a long rut, like a couple of

638
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: months of rut. Right, I'm not I'm not sure about

639
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: the rut how long it lasts, but they were What

640
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: was noticeable to me was the color. They were almost

641
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: black instead of the normal kind of grayish blue. But

642
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: there they seem to be darker in their behavior. I mean,

643
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: the way his behavior towards towards you was pretty interesting. Yeah,

644
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: we were hunkered down and he just caught our movement.

645
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: But see like caribou do that, in antelope do that.

646
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: We're hunkered down and he caught our movement. And then

647
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: so he's so cocky because they don't have there's no predators, right,

648
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: He's like, it's gotta be a nil gu I'm gonna

649
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: go beat its ass. And he started coming, trying to

650
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: get our wind and coming to at us, and coming

651
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: at us. He calls the distance. He was three hund

652
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: yards away, and a sudden he's a hundred yards away.

653
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: And then you have things like about a lot of

654
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: people warned me about that they can take a hip.

655
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: I think that's valid. It's absolutely valid. I mean I

656
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: shot the top of his heart off and he took

657
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: off like he had no plan of stopping, Like, no

658
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: plan of stopping. Yeah, the guides are are ready on

659
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: that second shot to back you up. And what was

660
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: what was monda shooting? I don't know. It was a

661
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: It was a big gun. I remember it's a two

662
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: fifty grain bullet. But I mean they are ready to

663
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: keep shooting until they don't get up anymore. It's an

664
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: incredibly resilient, powerful, strong boned animal. Yeah, he was kind

665
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: of quartered at me and I sort of he was

666
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: close and just holding dead still, and I had my

667
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: tripod out, but a shot kind of came on the

668
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: inside of the show there blade shot top was hard

669
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: out went through the lungs lodged against the hide, and

670
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: he just took off. As Doug DRN had said, he

671
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: was carrying the mail. I think that's something Dug says. Um.

672
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't understand the reference, but you don't either. Man.

673
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: Maybe like Express or something on that shirt. I think

674
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: it was could be Pony Express Haul and ass um

675
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: and they're they're saying they don't believe they don't bleed much,

676
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: so they're hard to track. Hide. Yeah, the hide and

677
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: there's no there's no exit. The big um ran off. Uh.

678
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: The shot a couple more times and then fell over.

679
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, stout. Yeah, it took three shots, but I mean,

680
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean he would have been dead with the first one.

681
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: But I don't know what he was saying. It once

682
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: it's very hard to find him. Yes, that's been my experience,

683
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: he says. He goes you when you go a hundred yards.

684
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: If they hit that brush and they go a hundred yards,

685
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: it starts getting dicey. Yeah, yeah, like fanning out and

686
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: looking at Yeah, because there's no blood, it becomes very

687
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: difficult to locate them. Yeah, if you don't keep shooting

688
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: at them. Right, And I'm glad we found it, I

689
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: mean obviously and uh and he was in the field. Um,

690
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: it was, you know, it was very interesting to watch.

691
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: I got to watch that whole thing play out from

692
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: about a hundred fifty yards away in the brush line,

693
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: and it was it was pretty exciting because he hit

694
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: he hit that wind line like right when he got

695
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: down wind of view, his posture change and that's the

696
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: moment you shot him. It was I don't know, for me,

697
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: it was pretty exciting to watch. You know, you guys

698
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: sell a lot of that new restaurant we do, so

699
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: there's a there's a harvest is allowed of them, um,

700
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: and they go down there with professional shooters that have

701
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: state inspection come with them. And now those boys they're

702
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: shooting bulls too. Yeah, I mean I think they're shooting anything.

703
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: They're going down and they're getting both yea of pay

704
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: in the ranch a per pound price and you know,

705
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: I really like and they shoot it down then the

706
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: inspector checks it as they got it. Yeah. Yeah, they

707
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: have that electro tender rising. They hook it up to

708
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: a car battery basically, um to initiate the bleed out

709
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: of it. And really high quality meat. And also it's

710
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: I like serving that it's uh, and and we can

711
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: call it an invasive it's in one animal gives up

712
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: so much protein and it's a it's renewable, I mean

713
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: because you see how many of them there are. And

714
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: so I think it's a very good meat to serve

715
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: so in in both restaurants. That's what we use for

716
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: our you know, basically like in the venison role, right,

717
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: there's no guy almost predominantly. Yeah, I don't know, is

718
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: that accurate. We can talk about this some more time.

719
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: Can you call it venison? No? I mean it's an

720
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: antelope so but it I mean, like I said, the

721
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: venison role, you know, where of the lean um nicely

722
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: flavored wild game meat, and it is truly wild. That's

723
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: another thing is that we're able to give some people

724
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: something that's wild and it's not even hitting corn feeders.

725
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this stuff is grazing. So from every aspect,

726
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a very superior meat. It's a it's

727
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: grass fed, it's uh, it's not hitting any corn Like

728
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: I said, um, just really helpful meat. I wonder if

729
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: part of the thing about why they're not super um

730
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: popular or not because they don't they don't throw a

731
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: big dramatic horn. Right, you know sure, I mean when

732
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: I say popular, I mean like it's not you know,

733
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: with people that just want head for the wall, I

734
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: don't know that it's on there. They're that excited about

735
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: it's a little head. It was like a mountain fils

736
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: a mountain, like basically like a thick mountain goat horn. Well, yeah,

737
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean an elk represents its size with its antlers

738
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: and no, guy absolutely does not represent how big it

739
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: is with those two horns so sharp sharp, Yeah, there's

740
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: something to that. Uh, tell everybody about what we cooked

741
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: with the well, how kind of like what we cooked

742
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: with the nil guy when we're when we're doing it. Well,

743
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: we did um, you know, we we had all the

744
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: really good fresh cuts. First, you know, we did the heart.

745
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: We did made a cevich with the heart. YEA better

746
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: explained that, man, because people are gonna be real curious

747
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, it wasn't. It's not like a true

748
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: cevicha where we're gonna cure the protein in in citrus,

749
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: but more of like a cevicha flavor where we're just

750
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: tossing the We we cubed up the heart. We cleaned

751
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: the heart real well took off the outside. We can

752
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: never do, yeah, because I wanted to make it supertender

753
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: for for a raw preparation like that, and uh tossed

754
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: lime juice. No, I'm sorry, we used to. We use

755
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: Valley limon for that because we bought a little roadside

756
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: stand because we're in the middle of citrus season onion

757
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: chilies to launch row radish avocado. I mean you can.

758
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: You can really vary it at that point and put

759
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: whatever you want in there, and you add tomatoes if

760
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: you want it, or you know, fresh peppers and whatever,

761
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: and then served it on chips um just a cevich

762
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: but made with the heart. We made some boot in

763
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: out of the liver, which is I think it was

764
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: new to you guys, where you cook the liver and

765
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: grind it and mix it with rice and it's pretty

766
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: highly spiced. And then we bake that into a colachi

767
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: and we bake that into some you know, dough, which

768
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: is pretty traditional Central Texas check food. We poached off

769
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: a tongue or the tongue. I thought that was pretty

770
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: good and just simply pan fried that fried after We

771
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: don't want to mention about the hearts of echa, which

772
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: is weird is um. Yeah, super tender, and you eat

773
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: it and you feel like you were eating fish, but

774
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: you weren't. There's no fish. It's the flavor record like

775
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: the temperature, the favor. It's on a chip and you'd

776
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, it's fished. Yeah, but then you're like,

777
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: but there's no fish, but it's just had the mouth feel. Yeah.

778
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: And then we get here in the first thing j

779
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: T makes for us, it's that Cevicha, which was very

780
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: good with red fish. How long does the heart stay

781
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: in lime like moments? Yeah, it is. It's just like

782
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: it's just a Cevicha flavor. More than that, we had

783
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: what else, um we delivered? We had the uh so

784
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: the tongue poached it until it was tender. Yeah, I

785
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: think about six hours with just bay leaf and salt

786
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: and then peel slashed, paired. Yeah, uh, the skin off it,

787
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: slice it in generous slices, bread and bread crumb, flour, eggwash,

788
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: bread crumb, and then pan fried that and you could

789
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: do butter, you know. We used large of course. Uh.

790
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: And we had the tenderloin, which cop out to say

791
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: it was fantastic, But I thought that tenderloin was just

792
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: was truly an incredible and it was done over open fire. Yeah,

793
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: cooking over mesquite. Um. You know, we made made some

794
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: sausage to yeah lay up the sausage. Yeah. I made

795
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: a little sausage that was bound with not a little

796
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: actually was quite big in a large casing, bound with

797
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: the ground corn, tortillas and charred onions, a bunch of

798
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: different chilies, cinnamon, and then we smoked that over mesquite.

799
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: I thought that turned out pretty good too, and a

800
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: little bit tasted like a tortilla. Yeah. Yeah, it's going

801
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: to have that nice little massa flavor in there and

802
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: it acts as as terrific binder for a sausage. Um, amazing.

803
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: Bone broth to Ginger, Yeah that's right. Oh yeah, explain that.

804
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: That's good man. Yeah. Well yeah, we we took a shank. Uh.

805
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: He was feeling a little down. Do he was feeling

806
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 1: a little down. He's having a battle store throw. Yeah, yeah,

807
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: that's true. You know why because the bone because of

808
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: the bone broth. So yeah, Chase, who who's who's here

809
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: working with me? He he was like, let me whip

810
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: up some of that that bone broth, and he he

811
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: took the shank and put some ginger in garlic in

812
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: there and cooked it down and then we got we

813
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: shredded the shank to make a little bond me sandwich

814
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: for lunch because we needed boat snacks. And then took

815
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: that broth and you know, add a little bit of

816
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: honey to that and and oh some chili pekin so spicy, uh,

817
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: you know down and you got that ginger in the

818
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: bottom of ginger up. Yeah, we'll touch of cinnamon to

819
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: I guess and what was Yeah, I was centamon little

820
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: star annis in the in the broth, just to kind

821
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: of give it some flavor. And it's just super nutrient dense,

822
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: really good stuff. If that was the only liquid I consumed,

823
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I would be all right. Yeah, like you got a

824
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: final way to make it like an alcoholic beverage out

825
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Though, Man, you could add in I

826
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: think some so toll into that. Probably pretty good. Oh.

827
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: We ate some various steaks the first day, you know,

828
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: but they were you know, a little on the on

829
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: the chewy side with the flavors. Were good, but you know,

830
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: it didn't have a lot of aging time on it.

831
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: We were incredibly lucky with the weather and it was

832
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: so warm when we first got down there, and then

833
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: the cold front blew through and we were able to

834
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: hang the animal outside, which which I was pretty excited

835
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: about being able to keep it cold like that rather

836
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: than transferring to a to a cooler where I just

837
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: don't think meat ages as well. That doesn't happen often

838
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: in Texas. Doesn't know drastic temperature drops, do you just

839
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: we just got lucky with it, especially that far south.

840
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean it got it went from eight five to

841
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: the high thirties. You know that same time could have

842
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: been pretty grueling even this time of year. Yeah, and

843
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: it'll probably be back in the eighties sometime this week.

844
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: And you yeah, you can hit ninety any any month

845
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: of the year. So yeah, we talked a lot about

846
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: that that you liked. When you're hanging the carcasses up,

847
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm not I'm not big on hosing

848
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: them down, but I like to be able to. But

849
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: it was still like cold, dry breeze. We're able to

850
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: hose the carcass off a little bit, clean it up,

851
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: just let it hang, and look, it's so nice man

852
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: dry to the touch. The operative terms cold and dry.

853
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: So much easier to butcher when it's like a handshake

854
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: that you're touching, you know, pleasure. I'm gonna have to

855
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: steal the handshake. That's perfect, you know, a really good

856
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: way to put it. And I think there's such a

857
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: noticeable difference when you're able to keep stuff dry like that,

858
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: there was an effected the meat quality. And then Neil

859
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: Guy is is one of my favorite game meets. I

860
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: don't want to say because it's mild. I mean, it

861
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: has as a pretty definitive flavor to it, but it is.

862
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. It's a really good meat. I would uh

863
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: on the taste. Like the problem is, there's so many

864
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: things are good, so I was talking about, oh, it's

865
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: one of the best, that's good whatever. I think that

866
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: that that, like like nil Guy would be Um, if

867
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: you had a hundred people, okay, you have a hundred

868
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: people that have uh, don't eat wild game, and you

869
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: gave that hundred people uh antelope, mule, deer, nil Guy,

870
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: and these are not wild game connoisseurs. I would bet

871
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: that the bulk of them would pick nil Guy as

872
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: their favorite because it's so like easily approachable. There's nothing

873
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: that someone's gonna get where it's like they're not gonna

874
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: have like, Oh, that's different kind of thing. It's just

875
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: very good mild tender um meet with a lower case

876
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: sim Yeah, I'm excited to have it down. You got

877
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: a bunch, yeah, I know, I got to divide it

878
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: all up. Damn right, there's so sad. Well you got

879
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: fish too, yeah, but the no yeah, the Neil guy

880
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: deal man. It's it's it's interesting because it's like you said,

881
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: how many how many you are in the state, hundred

882
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: thousands in India and thirty here. That's nothing that Texas

883
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: likes to do, is uh Texas likes to I like this.

884
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: It's a good it's a good rhetorical strategy. Texas likes

885
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: to justify it's bizarre quantity of non natives by throwing

886
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: out the Texas has more revitalized. We have more rhinos

887
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: in Africa, more tiger. Wasn't there more tigers here at

888
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: one point? That's somewhere in anywhere in the world. But

889
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: just like captive I don't know, pet tigers or whatnot,

890
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of tigers residing here as well, but not now,

891
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: not pre ranging. What I've come to love about Texas

892
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: is funny because uh oh he's hearing about like from

893
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: being from the north and now he's hearing about Texas.

894
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: All you hear like people just like talk. It's basically

895
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: talk bad about wildlife management in Texas, and so you

896
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: expect to come down here and have it be like

897
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: a disaster. But then you come down to Texas and

898
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, and there are animals everywhere. So you

899
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: kind of wind up wandering like what is the problem

900
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: because it's like everywhere. You know, it's a really hard

901
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: place to screw up, but it's not from the lack

902
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: of trying. Yeah, I think that, Yeah, you have animals everywhere.

903
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: I think that the main gripe, uh, this would be

904
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: a good Watches transition. The main gripe with hunting in

905
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: Texas is there's just like the animals are largely commodified,

906
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: there's a there's a value attached to them. The land

907
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: is private. A lot of the hunting land is owned

908
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: as recreational hunting property. And so you people that don't

909
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 1: have access to associates family with land, right like, you're

910
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: just screwed. You're kind of screwed because there's very few

911
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 1: people that have There's very few I gather there are

912
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: very few properties where some guys like oh, I just

913
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: let all the locals come on, right. It's like they

914
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: that's not true that no one does that. I think

915
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: the greatest luxury. You're saying, no one lets no one. Yeah,

916
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: it's like it's come like wildlife here is like thoroughly commodified.

917
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: It's like there's a value to it. If you want

918
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,959
Speaker 1: to add it largely, you're gonna pay me to come

919
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: get it. And you're if you want to go on

920
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: my land, you're gonna pay me to go on my land.

921
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: And so the frustration that people have is you don't

922
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: know anyone, and you don't want to jump into the commodity,

923
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: the commodifying not the commodity. You don't want to like

924
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: jump into sort of the transactional nature of Texas hunting

925
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: where it's like do you want to hunt your pay?

926
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: And that pisses people off. I get I get a

927
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of inquiries and people contact me and like, in

928
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: the past week, I probably feel died three or four

929
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: of them. Uh hey, I just moved here from blank

930
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: and I don't understand where I go hunt? What what

931
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: are my options? And it's like, you know, we always do.

932
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: It's it's hard, you know, uh public, but you know,

933
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: it's it's crowded and it's a process to get on there.

934
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: And I always I always recommend, you know, start with hogs,

935
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, because your best chance of getting on a

936
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: place for free or cheap as if you're helping with

937
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: hog control and like you know, but even that we've talked,

938
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: but even that's a fallacy because you go online and

939
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: you'll see like help Texas is over with hogs, and

940
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 1: it's an ad. It's an ad for you to come pay.

941
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: So people like, if it's overrun with hogs, and hogs

942
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: is such a problem, why can't I go hunt hogs

943
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: without paying for it? But it baffles people. Man, It's

944
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: like all they really no one you know up in Montana,

945
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of guys in hunt kyles. No

946
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: one in Montana. There's cattle ranchers, sheep ranchers that don't

947
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: want coyotes. No one in Montana is paying or Wyoming

948
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: or wherever is like paying to go hunt coyotes because

949
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: people legitimately m or all the opinion that the Kyle

950
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: some people are legit like have the opinion kyotes should go.

951
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: It's not transactional. It's like, oh you wanna get kyotes,

952
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: please go ahead. But here's like psych pyke, I don't

953
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: really want to get rid of them. I'm just trying

954
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: to sell you some ship more coyotes than people up there.

955
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: Probably in Wyoming he counted it out. I mean, there's

956
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: huge population here in big cities. Probably just don't even know.

957
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't have the first thing of of hunting culture

958
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: in them. Yeah, it's from where I'm sitting. It's one

959
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: of the best places to hunt. With a few relationships

960
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: made and in the privilege to be able to access

961
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: you've got. It didn't come from that because I was

962
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: I was really the first person in my family to

963
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: hunter fish. Um. But by being nice to people and

964
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: making relationships, UM. I don't think it takes money or

965
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: or status to find some people through relationships that you

966
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: can go especially hunt pigs, but even get a deer

967
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: um and and those tend to be pretty high quality

968
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: experiences because a private owner of land takes good care

969
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: of it. You're not running into trash on the river

970
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: banks and stuff like that. It's it's definitely a double

971
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: edged sword. Yeah, we've gotten a lot of you know, well,

972
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: just through the work that we're in and but It's

973
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: like everything with us is just it's different. Like I

974
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: always kind of caution people UM like like doing what

975
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: we do, it's just you're in an alter You're in

976
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: a whole different alternate reality the business that we're in

977
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: UM where people talk about like how do you scout,

978
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: like what you're scouting? Like how do you scout for stuff?

979
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can tell you how we use

980
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: to scout. We scout like everybody else where, and I

981
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: still know how to do it. But you'd scout by

982
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: like traditional scouting things. You might make a trip out

983
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: and go look and you know, you look online and

984
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: get on on X and get on Google Earth and

985
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: do all that. But after you build up such like

986
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: after you build up such a network of individuals that

987
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: you know that hunting fish a lot. To be absolutely honest,

988
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: for us, scouting is a lot of being on the

989
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: phone because we're always one phone call removed, if that

990
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: would be the most would be like a phone call

991
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: removed from someone who is a expert in that area.

992
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: You know. Back to that point, I would say small

993
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: town Texas, Rockport, all the way to the Panhandle, all

994
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: the way to West Texas, and all the way down

995
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: south where you guys are. If you if you're living

996
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: in a town of only several thousand people, I guarantee

997
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: every kid in that town, whether their landowners or not,

998
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to hunt. Small town Texas, there's just

999
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: it's just such a tight knit community of people that

1000
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna know somebody that you can go on to

1001
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: somebody's land and have access, maybe not on your own,

1002
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: like just the combination to the gate, but even that's

1003
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: super common. But if you start talking about Austin and

1004
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: you just came here, you took a tech job, and

1005
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: you don't know anybody yet, it's gonna be tough to

1006
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: figure out, but not super tough. And if you've got money,

1007
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: there's a ton of like lease opportunities where you don't

1008
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: have to own land. You can pay five grand a

1009
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: year and partner up with some other members and have

1010
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: access to you know, thousand five thousand acre place. Treat

1011
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: it like your own, put a trailer out there, put

1012
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: some blinds and feeders up. And I think that's also

1013
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: where that culture comes from, because I call it harvesting.

1014
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: There's very little stocking you can do in Texas unless

1015
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: you have access to a giant ranch. I've got three acres,

1016
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: and how it's filled not far from here. If I

1017
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: break one twig, my dear jumped the fence and going

1018
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: to other people's land, and they might not come back

1019
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. So you have to set

1020
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: up a blind in a feeder to attract those animals

1021
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: onto your place. And and if you're a working man,

1022
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: you only get to hunt that saturday. You don't want

1023
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: to go out and waste that opportunity and chase your

1024
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: animals away by doing a bad stock on them, you know.

1025
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I balanced, Like I said, I was trying

1026
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: to get to the point where you look from a

1027
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: from a perspective of being in a place, it's like

1028
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: a like always have lived in public land, states like

1029
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of public land, a lot of acts. Is

1030
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: like you know, I've lived in Michigan, Montana, Washington, right,

1031
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: all these places that we're just like a ton of

1032
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: places to go. So you look down here and you

1033
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: get the sense that it's a disastrous in some way.

1034
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: But then every time you come down here, it's just

1035
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: like being here is different than viewing it because you

1036
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: come down here and you're like, oh man, just a

1037
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: lot of wildlife, a lot of space, a lot of wildlife. Yeah,

1038
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel uh, it feels like in so

1039
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: many ways it's enviable. Remember earlier I was promising a

1040
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: good segue. Holy sh it. You guys got a lot

1041
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: of public water, yes, and you can hunt up to

1042
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: the high water mark on a lot of those rivers.

1043
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: That's that's an untapped resource. A lot of people don't

1044
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: think about. You can, you know, take a canoe down

1045
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: a river and shoot a deer or a pig on

1046
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: the bank, and it's it's almost impossible to go five

1047
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: miles down any one of our public rivers and not

1048
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: see animals. You can hunt. Um, but I was talking

1049
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: about fishing. Yeah, if I if you lived here, like

1050
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: if you want if you move here and had that

1051
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: like tech job you're talking about, dude, just fish tons

1052
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 1: efficient like described kind of the area where you work. Um.

1053
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: So down here in Rockport, it's basically, um, the middle

1054
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: Texas coast. So I think we've got something like fo

1055
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: miles a shoreline. It's almost smack dab in the middle

1056
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: of the curvature of our coastline on the Gulf um

1057
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: very shallow estuary system. That's separated from the Gulf of

1058
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: Mexico by a protective barrier island, So the longest barrier

1059
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: island in the world. It's separated roughly every sixty miles

1060
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: by a pass to the ocean, and so there's nowhere

1061
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: you can get to the Gulf of Mexico except for

1062
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: these these pass. Ransas Pass is one of those. Yeah,

1063
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: and that's a jettied system where barges and barges and

1064
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: tankers come in. But it's also the main artery for

1065
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: the recruitment of larva. So most of our species sheep

1066
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: had drum, redfish, blue crab, all the minnow species, and

1067
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: shrimp of three variety pink, white, and brown. All you

1068
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: guys get you guys, get clever with name and shrimp down. Yeah. Yeah,

1069
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: the white shrimp is kind of gray. The brown is

1070
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: like a tan. But yeah, anyway, the all those fish

1071
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: and and and critters have to migrate out the passes

1072
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: to spawn, and then their eggs come in with current

1073
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: and filter back into all those grass shorelines where we were,

1074
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: and they hide out until they're big enough to swim

1075
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: freely on their own as adults. I want to make

1076
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: sure people, I want to make sure people are getting

1077
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: this right. So there's the mainland of just flat out

1078
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: the mainland of Texas, and then there's the mangrove sort

1079
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: of border in the marsh. And then how like if

1080
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: you're going to go, if you're going in a straight line,

1081
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: you leave the land and you want to head out

1082
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: to the Gulf of Mexico. How what does the distance

1083
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: you travel? Typically in most places, what's the distance you

1084
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: travel before you hit like what would be like waves

1085
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: on a beach, right, if you're a good swimmer, you

1086
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: can make it to the Barrier Island. I want to

1087
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: say probably five miles is the maximum distance from the

1088
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: mainland of Texas going due east until you encounter the

1089
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: Barrier Island. And I want to say the Barrier Island

1090
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: at most is probably three to four miles wide before

1091
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: you get to the dunes and then the Gulf of Mexico.

1092
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: So that Barrier Island gets that big. Yeah, but it's confusing, right,

1093
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: So when we went to the Barrier Island, um, from

1094
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: the outside shoreline, it looks like an impenetrable body of land,

1095
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: but small creeks lead into big, expansive, shallow back areas

1096
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: of marsh, just like on our mainland, so they're kind

1097
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: of mirror images of each other. It's almost like if

1098
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: you cross sectioned the Texas coast on the mainland side

1099
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: and flipped it over, you'd have the marsh on the

1100
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: other side as well. So UM, yeah, it's just this

1101
01:04:53,600 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: incredibly um resilient, muddy bottom um clean watered estuary system

1102
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: that we have that's very prolific, very abundant with life,

1103
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: like our biomass, Like you can't run your fingers through

1104
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: the sea grass without coming up with, you know, a

1105
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: handful of criters. So very productive estuary. And how far, um,

1106
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: how far do you roam? Like as a fishing guide,

1107
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: I know the coast, I would say every little creek

1108
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: and inlet and back area for for about forty miles

1109
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: to the north and about sixty miles to the south.

1110
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: Um it accumulates to at this point my life's work

1111
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: just exploring and navigating all those little channels. So from

1112
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: the Laguna Madre um that we have, we have um

1113
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt designated the National Seashore, So we have this

1114
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: National Seashore bird Island which starts in Corpus Christian goes

1115
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: down to Mansfield, Texas. UM pretty incredible beach. That's maybe

1116
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: one of the longest stretches of undeveloped beach in the country.

1117
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: And on the inside of that, like you can walk

1118
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: over the dunes and be in the bay, or you

1119
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: can fish on the ocean side. Um so yeah, just

1120
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: a ton of opportunities. I tend to focus within twenty

1121
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: or miles north or south of Rockport on a daily basis,

1122
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: maybe fifty mile round trip. Yesterday, I bet we put

1123
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: in about forty miles if you added it all up

1124
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: and followed our tracks. But I go that extra distance.

1125
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: It was duck hunting season where we are now, so

1126
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: the land just at the island, just adjacent to where

1127
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: we are sitting, was loaded up with air boats and

1128
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: duck hunters. So I took us a little farther north,

1129
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: hoping we would be undisturbed by other people, and I don't.

1130
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Did we see a person yesterday other than ourselves? Yeah? Not.

1131
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: Once we got back in where we were fishing on

1132
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: a weekend, there's two bows parked at those us on

1133
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: the outside. Yeah, so we we did the We did

1134
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: the purtiest thing. People are pretty wide. Uh you give

1135
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: people a pretty well, you don't have that guide like attitude.

1136
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: I can be aggressive, yeah, and going back to it. Um,

1137
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: I I call Austin home. Um, but I would rather

1138
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: be in Rockport than Austin, and for all intensive purposes

1139
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: I live here. I spend you know, two d fifty

1140
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: days out of the year in Rockport and the other

1141
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: the other times a year. If I do go to Austin,

1142
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: it's the trade out gear, get a rifle and my

1143
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: camo and get straight to a buddy's ranch to hunt.

1144
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't spend any time in Austin. It's a

1145
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: very busy place. Not my scene. I tend to love

1146
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: to be away from people, although it allows me to

1147
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: love people being distant from them, right. But um, I

1148
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: live on this. I live on this, h on this

1149
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: kind of motto that there there shouldn't be a needless

1150
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: behavior of my own that has a negative consequence on

1151
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: someone else's outdoor experience. And if somebody's courtesy, whether it's

1152
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: intentional or based on ignorance, affects my day, then I've

1153
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: become very upset to the point and probably even confrontation,

1154
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: because do you have to protect this out here? You

1155
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: have to make sure people understand that to approach you

1156
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: is going to have consequences because if they were to

1157
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: if someone had come in there just to scout around

1158
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: and motored through the water, we were in. We worked

1159
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: really hard to be where we were, and the water

1160
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: so shallow we can't just kick up anywhere and go

1161
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: to a new spot. And so yeah, if I see

1162
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: a boat in a little creek that person had that

1163
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: he got there first, I'm going somewhere else, even if

1164
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: I want to be inside of where he is, super

1165
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,520
Speaker 1: bad and there's other places to go. And your specialty

1166
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: is site fishing for redfish, that's right. Yeah, I think

1167
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: redfish are one of the friendly there the fisherman's front.

1168
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: So like you know, you could rack up twenty grand

1169
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: chasing a permit and might not get your first permit

1170
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: depending on your skill level or your luck that day

1171
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: and next co Belize, Florida, Keys, wherever. Redfish belong in

1172
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: the Gulf of Mexico, there, Texan Um. They stretch up

1173
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: the up the Atlantic coast quite a ways, but they're

1174
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: unique to this part of the world. You can go

1175
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: other to other countries and find bone fish and tarpan

1176
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: and gulf the Gulf coast and its culture um and

1177
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: be in the Texas Coast. There's no other place I

1178
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: could I could really feel the connection to my heritage

1179
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: and appreciate an animal that much. It's like, you get

1180
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: a view of the Texas Coast if you go to

1181
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: the beach in Galveston. It's kind of muddy, murky water.

1182
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: It's not a beautiful place as compared to the West Coast,

1183
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: you know. But when you get in there and you

1184
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: and you, and you become intimate with that abundance of

1185
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: life like in our marsh, Um, it's hard to shake that.

1186
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to go somewhere else and be as happy

1187
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: as you are here. But but I do have a

1188
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,640
Speaker 1: big problem with the way Texans perceive their entitlement to

1189
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: use that that as as they see fit and into

1190
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,560
Speaker 1: in my in my opinion, abuse that that country. Um,

1191
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: I would be happy forever in Rockport if I felt

1192
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: like we appreciated what we have here. But I don't, really,

1193
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. I don't feel like as

1194
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: a culture, we put enough importance on stewardship and conservation. Um.

1195
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: You know, and people are pouring into this state and

1196
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: we're basically showing them, look, you can come down here

1197
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: and do whatever you want. It's a grocery store. Just

1198
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: keep your limit every day. Um yeah, I would love

1199
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: to see and I'm doing my part to try to

1200
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: educate and try to spread the news that this is

1201
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 1: super special and it could go away. You know, one

1202
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: hard freeze this year and all the fish we saw

1203
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,440
Speaker 1: would be floating upside down. Right. So it's delicate, it's fragile,

1204
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, and it deserves a lot of respect. Gig

1205
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: and flounder, this is not this is not your preferred subject,

1206
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I love under You saw me last

1207
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: night on that on that fish tray. I mean I

1208
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: was glued to the flounder. I like to put a

1209
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: little more work in. I like to to uh. I

1210
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: don't like to be on noisy fan boats yea. Um,

1211
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: but I think everything when I when I think about

1212
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: the beauty of something, I usually picture a father and

1213
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: a son waiting together with you know, with with spears

1214
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: over their shoulder in a flashlight at night. Um yeah,

1215
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: the guide, the guide thing kind of takes me away

1216
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: from But I love flounder. Yea. So we went out

1217
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: flounder gigging, which I was like real curious about wanting

1218
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: to do uh. Part of it comes from in the

1219
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: like in the north. You know, there's not opportunities to

1220
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: for spearing in the in the north, and freshwater opportunities

1221
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: for spearing game fish or spearing like really good fish

1222
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: to eat or shooting them with your bow, like very

1223
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: very limited, no, just because of legal structures, regulatary structures,

1224
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: like there's like very like strict method to take stuff

1225
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: and generally any fish that people really want to eat,

1226
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: our game fish even down to where like bluegills and

1227
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: perch or game fish right crap ees all this stuff

1228
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: like listen to game fish and generally speaking, um like

1229
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: it's like native game fish and Jerry speaking, you don't

1230
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: jab him with anything, you know, there's somebody there's notable

1231
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: exceptions like you can spear pike through the ice and

1232
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: some various things like that, but Johnny like you can't.

1233
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: You don't do it. So to hear that you can

1234
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: go out and gig flounder, which everyone knows like flounder

1235
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 1: good eat is it's enticing, it's fun to go and

1236
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: so there's like I don't know if you'd called a

1237
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: fleet here, but there's a industry around flounder gigging and

1238
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: you're gigging for southern flounder. And we went out with

1239
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: a guide that uh, that's what he does. I don't

1240
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: know how many, a couple hundred nights a year, UM,

1241
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: and they rigs for it. Man. They got like these

1242
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: guys got big ass, wide welded aluminum boats UM with

1243
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: a big deck on the front. And they got light systems.

1244
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: They got one light system that goes underwater, like a

1245
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: submerged light system. Then they got other light systems that

1246
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,520
Speaker 1: shine down in the water. And they got an outboard

1247
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: for traveling from spot spot but mounted on a like

1248
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 1: basically like it looks like a polling platform. Above the outboard,

1249
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: they got a small fan motor, no shroud on it,

1250
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: but just like it looks like a helicopter or like

1251
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: an airplane prop on a fan motor, and they can

1252
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: use that and drive over what like five six now no, ple, Yeah,

1253
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: you can cruise with that fan motor over let's just say,

1254
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, exaggerate twelve inches of water, UM. And

1255
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: he got these bright ass lights and they can control

1256
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: that fan from up front. He's got a throttle in

1257
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: a in a steering switch and everybody's line up on

1258
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: the front and you got a big, gass, heavy weighted spirit.

1259
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: But it's only like a four time spear. Knew the

1260
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: whole thing's five inches side to side. And I don't

1261
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: know what it is in a flounder's head, but they

1262
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: don't spook. They get in the silt. They're incredibly hard

1263
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: to see, like some of them. I'm I consider myself

1264
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: like good at spotting fish. I was blown away by

1265
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: that guy's ability to spot fish. We would have passed

1266
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: man easily. Six of the fish that we did get,

1267
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: we got nine. I feel like I would have saw

1268
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: two or three of them. I saw the first one.

1269
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a piece of cake. But

1270
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: then I would not have saw. I would not We

1271
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: would just roll over, not have seen because they don't jump,

1272
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: They just let the boat go over. But your cruise

1273
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: along these bright ass lights and you see these very

1274
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: subtle uh indicators. It's of where a flounder would be

1275
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: laying under the mud. The easiest thing, well, yeah, the

1276
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: easiest thing to see is where he's not. Because when

1277
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: he leaves, it leaves a very it leaves a bed

1278
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: that is a depression. But when the flounder lays in

1279
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: there when he's actually present, he makes it level like

1280
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: he assumes like his body basically assumes assumes the level

1281
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: of the what's the word the Yeah, he his body

1282
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: assumes the level of the sea floor. So it's all

1283
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: just color and maybe like subtle lines around the edge.

1284
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: But then when he leaves, it leaves a flounder thick

1285
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: impression of a flounder in the bottom. You can always

1286
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: tell where he where he's not but holy ship, and

1287
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: then they change colors. So we found one over oysters.

1288
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: They had a way different pattern exposed pattern, and they

1289
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: can turn light, they can turn dark, and they get

1290
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: and they're good because when they're in there, they're flipping

1291
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: in and they actually get that silt to come back

1292
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: down on top of them. But when you do see him,

1293
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: so you're cruising along, it's only like air pushing his

1294
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: boat along. And whoever his giggin has got a gig,

1295
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: and then the dude opt the guy's got a gig,

1296
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: and he used his gig. He can like jab his

1297
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: gig into the bottom of the sea floor and use

1298
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 1: the handle to stop the boat because he can immediately

1299
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: like throttle back and there's not a lot of force

1300
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: and he can just like stop the boat and even

1301
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: back it up, and then the flounders laying there and

1302
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: other stuff is hard to gig. But the flounder you

1303
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: just you got all the time in the world, and

1304
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: you get above it and hit it in the gilt

1305
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 1: cover and then up into the boat. And there's other stuff.

1306
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: It's like much more difficult to hit the stuff that's

1307
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: not pinned to the ground. I mean, it's really the

1308
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: best way for flounder. And you can catch them on

1309
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: rotten real they are very difficult fish to grab. If

1310
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: you can imagine flipping on the on the like a

1311
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: red fishing and just get them behind the head, pinch

1312
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: them and lift them up. But the founders, like it

1313
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 1: goes ballistic out of the water. And so I mean,

1314
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: can you imagine how good the Indians had it here?

1315
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: They were like torchlights. Oh man, Yeah, I would like

1316
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: recommend I would definitely recommend um that people check it out.

1317
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: The noise might the noise might get to you. Like

1318
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: I like a lot of times I go somewhere and

1319
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: do something and I'd be like if I lived here,

1320
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: would I'd be way into this, you know? And I

1321
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: feel like I would if I lived here, I would

1322
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:40,919
Speaker 1: strive to find a more peaceful way to hunt flounder.

1323
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: You're walking, you just have a I mean, they make

1324
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: flounder lights now that are really um they're light like

1325
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: l eds, and you just hold them and you rig

1326
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: them up to a twelve old battery and you put

1327
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 1: in your backpack and you go out with a really

1328
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: light gig and you're not gonna cover the water and

1329
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: you're as well as in a boat. So maybe you're

1330
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna get one or two and night. But um, I

1331
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: mean for me, that's I mean, that's a pretty nice experience.

1332
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: You go out in the bay and it's just dead

1333
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: quiet and you're just walking around, and you know you

1334
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: have a successful night is when you gig a flounder.

1335
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,799
Speaker 1: But you could probably use J. T. S U tactic

1336
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: too and go to places where those those air boats are.

1337
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: The giga boats are not small, and I'm sure that

1338
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: there they are limited to some extent, and there's probably

1339
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: water that holds flounder that they're not getting to you.

1340
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: That's a good thing that you could probably as a

1341
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: guy in a small rig that was gonna go wait,

1342
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: you could probably find some good stuff pulling around for

1343
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: red fish. During the day, you see a bunch of flounder,

1344
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: and what they'll do is that when you spook them. Um,

1345
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, they pretty much hold their their ground under

1346
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: lights at night. But during the day, as the boat

1347
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 1: goes over them, they'll quickly get out of that spot.

1348
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: And then you see them kind of flutter their fins

1349
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: and get back into that and bed themselves in the

1350
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: soil twelve feet over and it creates a huge plume

1351
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: of silt. And I mean, you could just start, you'd

1352
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: find him right, you could give him during the day.

1353
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't condemn that method. It's highly effective.

1354
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: So the only thing is, like you gotta watch regulations

1355
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: make sure the population is doing good. But it's a

1356
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: delicious fish and if you're going out and spearing it yourself,

1357
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. If I didn't come on the

1358
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: water every day as an occupation, so if I get

1359
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: a day off, I'm not thinking, Man, I'm gonna flounder

1360
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 1: all night. Right. Yeah. The way and the way I

1361
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: would picture doing is I would picture getting my canoe,

1362
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: putting some shop lights on the edge of it, putting

1363
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: two or three car batteries in there, and putting my

1364
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: kid up front. You know, it works really good. Looks

1365
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: like two kids up front and one of them gets

1366
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: the right side and one of them gets left side. Yeah,

1367
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: do you remember those? Uh, they don't make him anymore.

1368
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: It was the best kickboat in the world. Hobie Cat

1369
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: made like a double pontooned like like, it's got a

1370
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: real comfortable seat on it, and it's got even a

1371
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: little rack on the back of it. And we had

1372
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: these things called the fishing pal down here, which we're

1373
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: basically like a giant styrofoam pontoon thing six ft tall

1374
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: three and half feet wide, and a platform you could

1375
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: sit on in a kind of a crossbar to put

1376
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: your feet on, and you can basically just sit on

1377
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: that thing and crawl around in shallow water with a

1378
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: powerful head lamp and a little spot and you could

1379
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: just do it from there. Then you're not walking. If

1380
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: you see something, there's an alligator in the weeds, you

1381
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: can pull your legs up and beyond this thing. Right. Um,

1382
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: you're not as exposed if as if you're waiting around.

1383
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: But what's cool about them is they tend to want

1384
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: to be on a pretty hard bottom of sand, and

1385
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: so that's easy weight fishing um flounder habitat because you

1386
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,719
Speaker 1: guys saw there's some places down here in the back

1387
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: marsh where if you stepped out of the boat you'd

1388
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: be to mud up to your thigh and you're pretty

1389
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: much stuck. Um and flounder don't tend to hang out

1390
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: in those areas. So we think about all that seth.

1391
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: You know, it was cool, the gigging, the noise of

1392
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: that motor got old quick. I think, Yeah, I definitely

1393
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: recommend anybody goes bring yourself bringing some of your plugs. Yeah,

1394
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: were you all not wearing headphones? No, it wasn't that bad.

1395
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: It's just a lot, man. You ever like bow fish

1396
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 1: out of a boat where you're the guys running the

1397
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: lights off a generator, just that same thing. Yeah, it's

1398
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: like it's already like your world's already shrunk down to

1399
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: what's lit, which is fine, like if it's quiet, you know,

1400
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: like I was talking about, like the rig on talking

1401
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: about you put a couple of car batteries. You got

1402
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: limited time. So you know, you've got a couple of

1403
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: car batteries, you're gonna get an hour light off each battery.

1404
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: So it's like we're not gonna be able to go

1405
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: for long. But you're out and you hear everything and

1406
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: hear birds, are your frogs, your things splashing in the water.

1407
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: It's like you just hear you hear raccoon walking through

1408
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 1: the mud, you know, and so your world shrunk down visually.

1409
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: But in an audio sense, it's it's like more it's

1410
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: like enhanced, the more expansive. But in these rigs like

1411
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: bow fishing with a generator, do net gigging on an airboat,

1412
01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:03,839
Speaker 1: your world shrunk down visually and audio is gone. That's crucial.

1413
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah, it's like if you're trying to

1414
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: torture me into telling something after a couple of hours,

1415
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: like all right, if I here's what happened, just let

1416
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: me off this boat. Silence, silence except for the sounds

1417
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: of nature, water bugs, critters, birds. I mean, silence is

1418
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: one of the most important elements for me doing what

1419
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: I do. Remember this musicologist reading this musicologist who was

1420
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 1: talking about, um, you can't use someone, you can't appreciate

1421
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: music or anything until you appreciate silence. Like you have

1422
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: to respect silence to like understand that there's an interruption

1423
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: in it. You know. It's just it's like it's fundamental

1424
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: to like have for a sound to be nice, you

1425
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: sort of have to recognize the absence of sound, or

1426
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: he did a better job of articulating it, but just yeah,

1427
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: it's not Jesse. Did you feel us sounding grateful because

1428
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: you took us out flounder gigging? No, not at all.

1429
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think it was you know, you came

1430
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: down here. I think you know to to do some

1431
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: specific intangible things. But also I think that, um, in

1432
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: a way, I was kind of playing Texas host a

1433
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: little bit too, for sure. And I feel like, especially

1434
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: when we got down here to the bay, you know,

1435
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: we we got to experience kind of the big ranch

1436
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: historical and cultural heritage of South Texas, which is truly unique.

1437
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: But we get here and um, I mean, I'm not

1438
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: gonna say that I intended to do it beforehand, but

1439
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 1: what ended up happening is we experienced probably must drastic

1440
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: spectrum of of bay experiences between j T where it's

1441
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 1: stunningly quiet out there and you're pulling, you're moving through

1442
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: the water without making a sound, and and then you

1443
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: were looking for this fish and there's the the approach

1444
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: is extremely delicate. Um, the way that the fish has

1445
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: cared for after it comes to the boat. I mean,

1446
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: j T allowed us to kill some fish, which I'm

1447
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 1: really appreciative of, and I understand his perspective on it.

1448
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm a I'm a bona fide fish killer

1449
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: and and I'm and I feel very respected by him

1450
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: letting me kill some of some of his fish. Oh man,

1451
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: it's your it's your total right. And I enjoyed the

1452
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: hell out of it. Yeah, but the way the way

1453
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: that I mean, I've never seen a guide gut our

1454
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, probably apologized to the fish first, thank you.

1455
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm not apologetic. I just and you know, there's a

1456
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: community of rednecks down here that when there was very

1457
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: few people here, they they they perfected ways to be

1458
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 1: most efficient in how to pursue these fish. Airboats, flounder boats,

1459
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,919
Speaker 1: those things belong here, just like the oyster, the cactus,

1460
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: the rattlesnakes. This is a tough and hospitable place. And

1461
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: to survive down here in the past took a lot

1462
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 1: of grit. And for someone that they would label, um

1463
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: some hill country sort of liberal over romantic sized philosophical

1464
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: guy like myself, I get it. That would irritate me. Too.

1465
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: If someone like that showed up, and I love those guys.

1466
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: Some of my best friends down here operate airboats and

1467
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: they operate flounder gigging boats. I was attracted to that

1468
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: tough culture. Um. And the last thing I want to

1469
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: see happen, the very last thing I want to see

1470
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: happen is for a bunch of young fly fishing guides

1471
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 1: to start popping up who don't have that history with

1472
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: this place, who don't have, um, that real connection to

1473
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: this marsh. I would rather see airboats and my friendship

1474
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: with those guys allows both of us to understand and

1475
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: influence one another a lot more than if we had

1476
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: contention in and animosity towards each other. You know what

1477
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: people should go do? Um that was and me. We're

1478
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: on the first episode of doss Boat, right, so we

1479
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: did a fish and show. If you're going you, it's

1480
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: just on you. It's free on YouTube. UM, go look

1481
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: our look up our fishing show dos Boat. You can

1482
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: do that right now. You can go. What we're doing

1483
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 1: right now will be a show later, UM will be

1484
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: one of our like you know, Flagship met Eater episodes.

1485
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: But if you want to like write this second go

1486
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: look up dos boat and me and JT fish and

1487
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:31,480
Speaker 1: have a couple of debates about killing not debates, conversations

1488
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: about fishing with bait, killing fish, site fish, and just

1489
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 1: like get a little bit of like a like a

1490
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: mini exploration and you see the areas JT fishes. Um,

1491
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: you're not a numbers guy at all. I lose count

1492
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: after three or four. But do you would it? Um?

1493
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 1: Do you think it's helpful or not helpful? If I

1494
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: was to say how many fish we caught? I don't

1495
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: think it matters. Yeah, I'm happy to share, like I

1496
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: can say that. Yeah for sure. I don't know if

1497
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: it's harmful to you as a guide because there's an expectation. No,

1498
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. It's all about ability

1499
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 1: and you guys, you guys came with ability to fish,

1500
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: and so we were very successful. We I mean we

1501
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: we site fished like like casting like specifically casting flies

1502
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 1: to fish we were looking at. We caught five yesterday

1503
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: like that, but then we just went to some spots

1504
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 1: with spinning tackle and artificials that the whole gang of us,

1505
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean we caught inect well and excess of sixty

1506
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: fish probably more. Yeah, there's times that those That was

1507
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: a specific condition, Um, and that's where just got all

1508
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: the accumulation of failure and learning for me. Um. We

1509
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: had a condition where for the last couple of days

1510
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: of northern was blowing directly into that bank, and what

1511
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: happened was it pushed a lot of water into that

1512
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: back area. When we started actually in the morning, came in.

1513
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: There was current moving with us as we went up

1514
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: that system, and we saw active fish when we looped

1515
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: around and finally we're on our way out at the

1516
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: very end in that creek, the wind had slacked and

1517
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 1: so um current simply from an EBB so there was

1518
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 1: no more force of wind d wind. It's like a

1519
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: wind drive current, so it's relative whether it's it's produced

1520
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 1: by wind pumping water up into and when when the

1521
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: wind slacked. Did you notice at the end of the

1522
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: day was pretty calm, so all that water they pushed

1523
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: in there now was flushing out. So those fish came

1524
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: in that creek and we're facing that current without current

1525
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: that that creek is a ghost town. Yeah, And we

1526
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,639
Speaker 1: were casting up I guess yeah, because the current wasn't

1527
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: outright the current current was going out, so we were

1528
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: we were casting down down current, retreating and retrieving up

1529
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: current because everything faces and moves into current. Even the

1530
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: shrimp are are looking for a little any zoe, plankton

1531
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: and stuff they eat that's coming out of those back areas. Yeah,

1532
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, like people talk about getting one in every cast.

1533
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: There must have been ten eleven casts when I had

1534
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: one on every cast, but I actually had h if

1535
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: I took ten cast, I actually had eleven fish because

1536
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: at one point in time I took a fish off.

1537
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: It was fiddling around and had my uh jig hanging

1538
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: in the water, and one grabbed it. So I was positive,

1539
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: ten casts eleven fish. Yeah, that doesn't hand very often.

1540
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: We should have a little late to the party. But

1541
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: it was so quick and easy to get onto that,

1542
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Like by my I don't know, fourth and fifth fish,

1543
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: I was like watch this, okay, this one on the

1544
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 1: drop and it's like a season hit the water as

1545
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: long as you had your line tired enough where you

1546
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: can feel it hit. As that thing's dropping through the current,

1547
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like boot there he is. You know, you don't

1548
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: even have to like it's like, you know, the good

1549
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 1: fishing makes up for less than one percent of the

1550
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: actual area out there. Oh, this is giant, vastness, and

1551
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: so you have to learn conditions that attract fish. That's

1552
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to bring up. And then I

1553
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about cooking fish a little bit. Is

1554
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: you um eat You guys has like I hopefully realize it.

1555
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 1: Each of you guys has like something. You're very very

1556
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 1: good at um. I'll start with you j T. Where

1557
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: if if I go fishing with you right people, if

1558
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: you didn't know better, you would make the mistake of

1559
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: just thinking that there are fish everywhere. But I've been

1560
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: fishing enough to know that if I just came down

1561
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: here and rented a boat, I would probably spend a

1562
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: lot of days being extremely frustrated. I realized this without

1563
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: having done it, I would be really frustrated. I'd be like,

1564
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I thought I was supposed to

1565
01:30:56,160 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: be good down here. There ain't shit. It's all fished

1566
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: out right because you just be trying to figure it out.

1567
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: But you've been doing this for so many years, you

1568
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: just make you make this. It's like this optic this

1569
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 1: like this illusion that everything is just loaded with fish.

1570
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 1: But then we took the boat over a course of

1571
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of miles and stopped in specific spots, and

1572
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: those specific spots were filled with fish. And one day,

1573
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: the second day, we went out and you went to

1574
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: a spot and it wasn't what you wanted, and some

1575
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: light bulb off in your head and you're like, based

1576
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: on that, I'm not seeing what I want here, it

1577
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: must be that I need to do something else. Yeah,

1578
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: And then we went to that something else, and so

1579
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: I saw you like not screw up, but I saw

1580
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: you go through your calibration process where you like, I

1581
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 1: want to check this, Nope, that means this, And then

1582
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: it was just game on the rest of the day. Man,

1583
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: it was really fun. It's fun to watch because, like

1584
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: like I said, you'd have to know if you just

1585
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: came down from somewhere and didn't hadn't done a lot

1586
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: of exploration, you'd come away with the real wrong impression.

1587
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: Anybody's gonna pound them. Yeah, saltwater, you know. Um. I

1588
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: love fishing in the mountains for trout, and for me,

1589
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: that's a lot more about just the surroundings, you know,

1590
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: being in the mountains, feeling the air, the beauty and

1591
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:29,520
Speaker 1: the clarity of those rivers, the cold water, um, the entomology,

1592
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: how it all works. Um, I don't need to stick

1593
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: anymore trout. I do love trout, I appreciate trout. I'd

1594
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: rather see my my young boys. That's gonna be. We're

1595
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: gonna walk some creeks in Colorado and Montana and put

1596
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: on big dry flies and you know, um, but down

1597
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: here the learning never stops. It doesn't learn. The learning

1598
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,600
Speaker 1: doesn't stop in the mountains either. But there's a complexity

1599
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: to this that I keyed in on early on, and

1600
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: I would go to spots and treat those spots like,

1601
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: why isn't something happening here? It looks perfect, everything's like

1602
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 1: all the the equation that didn't make sense to me.

1603
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: But a spot is the last place she saw fish. Right,

1604
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Conditions are what you have to learn, and um, you know,

1605
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I've got a system now that makes me feel really

1606
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: confident when I go out in the morning with someone

1607
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: different every day, I don't have butterflies and like, oh

1608
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: my god, I hope I find fish for these guys. Um,

1609
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 1: I just have to follow my my go through my

1610
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: little handbook and follow the equation and I'll end up

1611
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: on them. You know. You know, it's funny to talk

1612
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: about the conditions saying we had some guys on one

1613
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 1: time and we're talking about it very difficult, basically over

1614
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: the counter, big horn, cheap hunt and uh, they're talking

1615
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 1: about the trouble that happens when you're hunting last year's

1616
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Like you can't hunt last year sheet. You know, you

1617
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: can't fish for yesterday's fish man yesterday and to it

1618
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: is it changes that fast, especially this time of year. Um,

1619
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: you can't be like they should be in here, they

1620
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: were here yesterday. And I've got a ton where every

1621
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: time I go to somewhere I think should have fish

1622
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 1: and it doesn't. Oh man, that's just the perfect opportunity

1623
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,799
Speaker 1: to go back to the books and figure out what

1624
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 1: what element I left out of that equation. And there's

1625
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: a lot of randomness to it too, Like they fish

1626
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: don't sit still, so those those fish move around. They

1627
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: might be over here, they might be over there. But

1628
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: if you, if you follow the rules of those conditions,

1629
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 1: you can limit of the spots on the first couple

1630
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 1: of steps being the tide, the wind direction, the water temperature,

1631
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: what bait is present, what the fish are primarily feeding on.

1632
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: When you when you isolate those factors, then it's gonna limit.

1633
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: It's gonna take the map out of the equation, right, um,

1634
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what it's spent the last twenty

1635
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: years trying to figure out. I think the coolest thing

1636
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: I saw yesterday, um was we're watching a red fish

1637
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: and he's going to eat something, and he like charged

1638
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:00,600
Speaker 1: up to eat something so shallow he almost had to

1639
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,879
Speaker 1: like back out. Yeah, like he had to like flop

1640
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: his way. It was had to like flop his way

1641
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: back out and chase a big group of mudment was

1642
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: up onto the mud bank and had to wallow him.

1643
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't like quite like he was like a ship,

1644
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: like he knew what he was doing, but he very

1645
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: much had sort of like how cool are they? So

1646
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: a red fish is just like super predacious, super aggressive.

1647
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: But as you approach that fish, if you drop a

1648
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:33,799
Speaker 1: penny in the boat, it's over. So it's this very

1649
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 1: um difficult stock where everyone has to be totally no

1650
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:42,520
Speaker 1: shuffling of feet, no like moving your stance, no vibrations

1651
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: in the boat. But if you get that fly or

1652
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: that soft plastic there and he he mistakes it for something,

1653
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, for a piece of prey, they're just damn

1654
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: nail it. Yeah. That at one point he kept saying

1655
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: like talking about how the cast has to be very

1656
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 1: precise and saying it's all food. He doesn't care. It's

1657
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 1: like he's a lazy Southerner. It's just all food. And

1658
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: you said you need to make that thing lately on

1659
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: like a mustache, right, and when you did that, they

1660
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: were just without hesitation. Good fish are very enjoyable and

1661
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: if you get good at casting a fly rod. Um.

1662
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: You know, think about this, if we were looking for

1663
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: keeper fish's a lot of those, you know, forty or

1664
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 1: fifty fish we caught at the end of the day. Um.

1665
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 1: Not many of them were of keeper sids. So what's

1666
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: the what's the legal fish? Yeah, and there was a

1667
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: bunch of like sixteen nineteen and three quarter um. But

1668
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: with a fly rod, all the fish we saw, they're

1669
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: all foraging and even shallower water, we're all big fish.

1670
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: And there was sometimes I'm like, not that closer when

1671
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: get that one a little farther on the right. That's

1672
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: interesting point that up in that like twelve inches of water,

1673
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 1: it is big fatties. Yeah, because they know they're not

1674
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: gonna get hauled off by a bird. So yeah, bird

1675
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: predation um and Jesse back to the You know, they're

1676
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 1: there in a world with the right amount of human

1677
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: beings and the right resources for those human beings to survive.

1678
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:13,560
Speaker 1: Keeping fish is a much more pure there's a perversion

1679
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: to what I do. I harass these fish. I stick

1680
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: them in the mouth and put them back with a

1681
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 1: with a slight wound in their face. Um. And and

1682
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: those fish are commodity to me, So I exploit those

1683
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 1: fish for a living. Um. The individual who wants to

1684
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 1: to feed his family by going fishing on their own

1685
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: and keeping fish, that's as beautiful and as pure of

1686
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 1: an outdoor pursuit as I can think of. Um. You know,

1687
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,440
Speaker 1: I I protect those fish kind of for selfish purposes,

1688
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, because I want to go catch those same

1689
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: fish again. Um. But but I'd just like to clarify

1690
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 1: that that I think it's a beautiful thing to harvest

1691
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: your own food. And what both of you guys are doing, um.

1692
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,799
Speaker 1: And the way that you teach people is really awesome.

1693
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 1: And you specifically Jesse, like take Canna a working man's approach.

1694
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,400
Speaker 1: You're not having fancy gear, fancy guns and just going

1695
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,680
Speaker 1: out with your granddad's shotgun and learning how not to

1696
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: not to not to hunt and fish on your own,

1697
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: but how to cook on the level that you prepare

1698
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: those animals. That's the highest level of respect towards nature. Man.

1699
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: That's just like class act. Buddy, both of you guys

1700
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: cheers see on that. That's what I was gonna butter

1701
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Jesse up about the minute I had one, I'm gonna transition.

1702
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pivot with one thing. I forgot to mention. Now, Now,

1703
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 1: when you're in that flounder gigging boat, you're like up

1704
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: against you're tucked up against the mangroves, so you're up

1705
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 1: against the shoreline and there's all these mullets and schools

1706
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:42,720
Speaker 1: of dolphins come in and they know and they come

1707
01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: in and hunt with you. Where anytime you're on the

1708
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: shore of the dolphins show up and they just parallel

1709
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: the boat. They know those mullet got to make like

1710
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: a deal where the mullet want to get out and

1711
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 1: you'll see those bullet like getting out and they'll know

1712
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 1: those dolphins are there, and uh, and they'll kind of

1713
01:38:58,040 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 1: like veer a little out of the way of the boat,

1714
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: and damn with the dolphins, they'll come back and they'll

1715
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:04,080
Speaker 1: come back. And now then when those dolphins just be

1716
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 1: like one of them make a slight mistake and going

1717
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 1: just deep enough water and then whamp that cool thing

1718
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 1: about that whole thing dolphins And they would they would

1719
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: come up and they would turn on their side to

1720
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: look to and then like you could see their heads

1721
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 1: like they'd follow a fish. They you'd like you'd watched

1722
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 1: them for like ten minutes, they'd follow fishing, and all

1723
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, for whatever reason, they're like, oh, that's

1724
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: the right one, and they take off after and they

1725
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 1: can't turn their heads like if you picture dolphin laying

1726
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: in the water belly down, he can't look right and left,

1727
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: but he can look up and down. So when they're

1728
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: parallel on the boat, they turn and pitch so their

1729
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: bellies facing the shore, and then they can bend their

1730
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: chin down at a right anle and staring at those

1731
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: mullet man and look at you often wonder what their

1732
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: level of understanding is. I mean, they're super smart at

1733
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: it was. We spent a long time. I don't know

1734
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 1: if it's new ones coming in, but a long time

1735
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: with those things. I mean you could have I could

1736
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 1: have gigged one for sure. Don't think that it crossed

1737
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,719
Speaker 1: my mind. I was just being like, man, a fella,

1738
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: could I wonder if it always comes up that taste?

1739
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: Like I know that they harpooned him in Indonesia. Uh yeah, Okay,

1740
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: So now that I talked about the dolphins eating, here's

1741
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 1: a good transition. How about me eating your food? Because

1742
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, Um yeah, Like I like

1743
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: to cook, and I've cooked wild game for a long time.

1744
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: And if I have, like if I've added anything to

1745
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: sort of why if I've added anything to wild game

1746
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: conversation in America would be kind of like a celebration

1747
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: of it. And also I've I guess I've found out

1748
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: things you can do, like ways to take a lot

1749
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: of things and make them into other like dishes, you know, like, oh,

1750
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 1: you can make corned beef. Everybody knows corn beef. And

1751
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, here's a really cool way to

1752
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: take a beaver and make to corn it, or like, oh,

1753
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:08,679
Speaker 1: there's like pickled herring, but you can catch some little

1754
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 1: shitty fish out of your lake and make like something

1755
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: that's like really cool and it's like pickled herring, you know.

1756
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like I guess I've done that a fair bit.

1757
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: But um, you're like whole it's almost like be hanging

1758
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 1: around with you almost like I'm not going to talk

1759
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: about uh it makes me almost not want to talk

1760
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: about cooking. Yeah, but I mean you've got all this

1761
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: you just got like you had like a way different level. Man. Well,

1762
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe, I mean, I'll take that compliment.

1763
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: That's very kinds. It very much applies to down here.

1764
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: You know, like like what we've got available, and you've

1765
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: you've seen game all over the world and in different

1766
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,759
Speaker 1: animals in Big Game. You know, I've never really handled

1767
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: elk or or a moose, or a beaver or or

1768
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,680
Speaker 1: or a walleye things like that. I mean, so you're

1769
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 1: you've got those experiences too. But I mean, I think

1770
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, but we're both trying

1771
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: to do is put um these wild foods that you

1772
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: can go out and attain into comprehensible and familiar forms,

1773
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,679
Speaker 1: because I think that's what appeals to people the most,

1774
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 1: is you know, trying to get people away from thinking

1775
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 1: that dear is something that you only eat on a

1776
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 1: special occasion or it's sorts something different when it should

1777
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: be Tuesday night dinner, and and and if if you

1778
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 1: have that mentality when you go into it, that you're

1779
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: gonna you know that I'm gonna eat red fish for

1780
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: dinner tonight because I'm taking back a couple of plays

1781
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to that and it's making

1782
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 1: it a day to day thing. And at that point

1783
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 1: you tend to steward that that resource a little better,

1784
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: be more concerned about conservation efforts. I mean not I'm

1785
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 1: not trying to, like I take a jump to a big,

1786
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 1: big picture, but that that's what I like to do,

1787
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: is convey the eating of it is something that's not unattainable, um,

1788
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 1: and that if you do you can be creative and

1789
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,639
Speaker 1: clever about it. But uh, I try to just take

1790
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: things that are familiar, just like what you were saying about.

1791
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, corned beef, you can corn a goosebreast, same thing. Um.

1792
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Just take those ideas and you know you're gonna have failures.

1793
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: But if we can convey that to the hunting and

1794
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: fishing public, then I think that we've we've done our

1795
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 1: jobs just to convince them to to celebrate it and

1796
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 1: not view it as as something strange or oh, my

1797
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: family doesn't eat that. I mean That's that's a big

1798
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: component of it too. It's just like, if you put

1799
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: into familiar forms, then you're gonna get the people that

1800
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: you're also not I mean you're you're the eater, but

1801
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: also the people that you're feeding. If you can put

1802
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 1: it into familiar and recognizable forms, that tastes really good,

1803
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 1: and then you can introduce that really nutritious and you know,

1804
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: well caught or or killed animal into their diets too.

1805
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Does the New School of traditional cookery? Uh, should people

1806
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 1: come look you up? Or you got like you booked

1807
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: way into the future. We're booked out for the year,

1808
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: must say the year, the season. We're starting up with

1809
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: spring bookings. Um, you know, I would love to get

1810
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 1: if anybody just got you know, six buddies are going

1811
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 1: on a turkey hunt things like that. We're gonna start

1812
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: looking to book those. And then we're also going to

1813
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: look to start booking fishing, you know, and that will

1814
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,720
Speaker 1: mostly be coastal trips. But we can come down here

1815
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 1: because honesty, fish cooking seafood is, if I had to say,

1816
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,600
Speaker 1: is really my favorite. I mean game get you know,

1817
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: the big animals, they get all the play. That's the

1818
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 1: romantic side of it, But I mean I'd love cooking

1819
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: and eating fish probably the most. Yeah, we had a

1820
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 1: really really good meal last night. Of how many varieties,

1821
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: I think we had six, fish said, well, we had,

1822
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 1: let's rad them off for everybody. So last night we

1823
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: had a meal that was comprised of stone crab, blue crab,

1824
01:44:56,439 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: sheep said, drum, black drum, redfish, sea trout, flounder, flounder,

1825
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: southern flounder. And when we're out gigging flounder, we gigged up.

1826
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: We gigged up to Pompa No. Two, sheep said, in

1827
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 1: a few black drums. That's where that's where the spearing

1828
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: skills come in handy, Yes, yes, all right, man, So

1829
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: people can go find you, then do your class. They

1830
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 1: learn how to cook wild game in the way that

1831
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna love it, new school traditional cookery. Go to

1832
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,720
Speaker 1: your restaurant die do A D A I D U

1833
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 1: E and Austin. It's all on the same website. A

1834
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: lot of information there. But then he's on Instagram. He

1835
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: won't change it to what he should change it too.

1836
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 1: He's not at Jesse Griffith's, He's at Sack Them Sack

1837
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 1: a lot spell it s a C dot A dot

1838
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 1: L A I T mean sack of milk means milk bag.

1839
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: It's what they call crappy and East Texas and Louisiana

1840
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: they do ye. And then J T. Van how do people?

1841
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 1: Do you have a website or what? I know you

1842
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:02,719
Speaker 1: on Instagram? You're active? Yep, website J T. Van Zant

1843
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: dot com and at j T van Zant on Insta

1844
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: you want to catch some fish? Yeah, buddy, the do

1845
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 1: the knows the landscape. Let's go side him up. Put

1846
01:46:13,439 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 1: a fly in front of painting mustache on him. Jt'll

1847
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 1: tell you what he's happy about. He'll tell you what

1848
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: he's saying about. You'll show you a bunch of fish.

1849
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 1: I'll share myself with you. I expect you to do

1850
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 1: the same, and we'll appreciate a resource together and uh,

1851
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:27,720
Speaker 1: former friendship. I don't want to beat this in too much,

1852
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: but bring your own sandwich. I provide ice water, bring

1853
01:46:36,360 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: your own sandwich. Do not make that mistake. Okay, thanks guys,