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Speaker 1: Welcome to desperately devoted.

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Speaker 2: Think of us as your favorite neighbors as we chat

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Speaker 2: about life and relationships, all.

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Speaker 3: While we revisit the iconic show Desperate Housewives together.

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Speaker 1: I'm Terry Hatcher, I'm Andrea Bowen.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Emerson Tani. Well, let's dive into the deep

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Speaker 3: end of this pool. We are here for X y

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Speaker 3: Z and we are talking about pool parties, high school parties,

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Speaker 3: high school relationship.

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Speaker 1: High school pool parties and all of.

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Speaker 3: The weird questions of body image and judgment and all

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Speaker 3: of that that that brings up.

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Speaker 1: Can I just flag something right away? And maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: in the minority here, but I don't think I am.

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Speaker 1: I assume most pool parties take place during the day.

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Speaker 3: A nighttime pool party is borderline psychotic.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird. It's so weird for this teenage pool

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Speaker 1: party to be at nighttime.

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Speaker 2: Really, because I have pool parties at nighttime. You're an adult, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's true. I have a pool when I was a

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're just you know, feeding into like

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Speaker 1: nighttime vibes. Everyone's in a swimsuit, you know, you're it's

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Speaker 1: it's kind.

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Speaker 3: Of yeah, I have to say. My one image, and

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Speaker 3: it's a pop culture reference of a pool party at

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Speaker 3: night is in one of my favorite movies, Easy A

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Speaker 3: and Melanie Bostick. That's how I'm A Stone's character says

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Speaker 3: her name. Melanie Bostik's parents always let her throat. She's

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Speaker 3: like the popular girl in their middle school. Let her

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Speaker 3: throw a party every time she catches them doing it

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Speaker 3: in the pool, which apparently is every weekend. And so

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Speaker 3: we cut to her throwing this big high school party,

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Speaker 3: and it is at night, and you see kids in clothes,

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Speaker 3: but then you also see kids diving into the pool,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say, it looks like much more

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Speaker 3: of a rager than the Zax party.

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Speaker 1: My friend Bert V. Royle wrote Easy A and I

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things I've ever done in my

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Speaker 1: career is I did a Los Angeles production of the

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Speaker 1: play Dogs He's God, which Bert also wrote.

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Speaker 2: That play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a fantastic play and it's based around

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Speaker 1: the Charles Schultz characters of Peanut Charlie Brown, yea, the

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Speaker 1: Peanut the Peanuts characters, and I played Sally Brown. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's like this very incredible, dark, twisted, very

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Speaker 1: I love that movie and love that man and that

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Speaker 1: writer Zach's Sadpool Party. It's it's kind of it's not

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Speaker 1: a for him, it's not a rager.

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Speaker 2: And Julie's empathetic, like I've got to go over here

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Speaker 2: and try to still support this weird guy.

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Speaker 3: Which I which I So Susan has really forbid Julie

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Speaker 3: about mom with Bree and her daughter and what bree

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Speaker 3: says to John the Gardner when she wants him to

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Speaker 3: break up with her daughter.

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Speaker 2: Right, So Susan does, you know, try to get in

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Speaker 2: And I think there's some validity to you know, he

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Speaker 2: like a reason you would want to stop that. But yes,

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Speaker 2: Breeze character actually goes to John's house and tells him

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Speaker 2: that he that she you know, would like him to

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Speaker 2: not take Danielle's virginity. And then when he says, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to I didn't want to He's like okay,

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Speaker 2: she says, well, I want you to be brutal about

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Speaker 1: It's like, I know my daughter, and he's not going

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Speaker 2: And it kind of made me think about did I

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Speaker 2: ever get in the way of your dating like that?

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like I know.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank god, because it's so many more years of

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Speaker 3: therapy for me and I'm already in therapy.

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Speaker 1: Would you have listened if she did?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we so luckily did not have. I feel

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Speaker 3: aired much more on the side of Like I was

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Speaker 2: We I feel like I still do this your first girlfriend,

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Speaker 2: I kept my mouth up for nine months.

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Speaker 3: But I do though, I think and I was thinking

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Speaker 3: and Hollywood, Like, what was the version of high school parties?

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Speaker 3: Because the most trouble, the most trouble I ever got

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Speaker 3: it was like post prom party and I hadn't gone

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Speaker 3: Evan's parents were divorced like my parents, and normally when

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Speaker 3: Here's the address, and I sent her Evan's dad's address.

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Speaker 1: And so you thought initially that you were telling the truth.

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Speaker 1: But she didn't see those texts because.

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Speaker 1: Right and also so responsible, so responsible.

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Speaker 3: And then we got there and she called and obviously

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Speaker 1: That's a serious moment for you, too.

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Speaker 2: I never had, and I think it came out of

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Speaker 1: So it was you and Joy and Sean, so me

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Speaker 1: I do. I remember being excited to film that type

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Speaker 1: same as pool parties when you're a kid and you're diving.

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Speaker 1: You've got your goggles on and you're diving at the

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Speaker 1: body's going through so many changes. My body went through

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Speaker 3: Let's just swim in all the water and wear whatever

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Speaker 3: Go out and be nice and be nice to yourself,

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Speaker 3: and we'll see you soon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,