WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Papasan Chairs

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck, there's Jerry Man. I wish I hadn't said

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<v Speaker 1>it's eating up time, Chuck. This is short stuff. Oh god,

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<v Speaker 1>Area said that too. This is already off the rails.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just start over like five years from now. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to be doing this? Yes, it's the short

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<v Speaker 1>stuff thing, all right. I just want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in for. Yep, buckle up, Chuck. So I heard

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<v Speaker 1>you talking to Jerry as I sauntered in, Yeah, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that you've never had a papasan or a futon. No,

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<v Speaker 1>neither one. Same here. Good for us, Chuck. That's really

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<v Speaker 1>like sticking it to the man, you know. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>we're anti pappa foot. We're saying tech with you, society

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<v Speaker 1>and popular culture. We're going to go our own way

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<v Speaker 1>and use a normal mattress and box spring combination or

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<v Speaker 1>a regular chair. Yeah that doesn't think it's a cereal

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<v Speaker 1>bowl for sex. Is that what they're for? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but we should shout out the great, great website at

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<v Speaker 1>Las Obsecura. Uh. We both love that website and have

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<v Speaker 1>for years. And this is a you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing papas on research, look to one person and that's

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<v Speaker 1>John Kelly. That was obscura because he really dug into it. Dude,

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<v Speaker 1>he is the only person who did too. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you find any other article on the web, including this

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<v Speaker 1>how stuff works one, it's like, here's what John Kelly found. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy did all of the legwork in the research,

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<v Speaker 1>and he really did dig in. But the beautiful part

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole thing is that he failed to fully

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<v Speaker 1>solve the mystery. It's still a mystery, which it probably

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<v Speaker 1>will be forever. Yeah, so there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries about the papasan. Uh. You can start by going

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<v Speaker 1>to papasan dot com, which will redirect to peer one imports,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty great. That is a little fishy and cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are a lot of like like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get anything clear as to like the origin of the

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<v Speaker 1>name or even of the chair originally came from or

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<v Speaker 1>when people started selling it. Yeah, it's weird, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are so John Kelly did turn up some tantalizing clues.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't able to triangulate on a particular year and

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<v Speaker 1>even necessarily a particular country. But there's some there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of strong evidence that they emerged in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in the Philippines. That's where I'm putting my money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the popasan chair came from. Sixties Philippines. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that would make sense because by nineteen sixty six

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<v Speaker 1>was when we finally got the name pier One as

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<v Speaker 1>a store which had been I guess what it was

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<v Speaker 1>previously cost Plus, Yeah, which I guess split off and

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<v Speaker 1>the cost Plus when I become World Market, which everybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows well. Cost plus World Market is still on the sign,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think is interesting. Yeah. But weirdly, Peer one

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<v Speaker 1>was cost Plus originally, and I think it was after

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<v Speaker 1>they divided. And then, if you really want to get

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<v Speaker 1>the mind boggling, it was the guys who started Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Show who originally funded the guy who founded pier One. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people who were Radio Check were originally the

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<v Speaker 1>Tandy Corporation, which I remember that name. I think. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a Tandy robot arm that moved left and right.

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<v Speaker 1>You still do. It's attached to your body, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a new appendage on Stellar. But Stellarc God, I

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<v Speaker 1>love just hearing that name. But nineteen sixty six Peer one.

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<v Speaker 1>What they're doing is they found a good market in

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<v Speaker 1>importing Asian goods very cheaply and then marking them up

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<v Speaker 1>for a profit. But here's the deal. Even marked up

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, they were it was still like

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper than other stuff that you would get here from

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<v Speaker 1>America or Europe, so people bought the stuff. So Pier

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<v Speaker 1>One is basically like the the place everybody says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where America became enamored with papasan chairs. So

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<v Speaker 1>people go to Pier One and say where do papasan

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<v Speaker 1>chairs come from? And pier One says, we don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but we can tell you exactly when we started selling them.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the mid seventies. And you say, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>So papasan chairs hit the U s and the mid seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>But then if you talk to somebody else to Pure One,

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<v Speaker 1>they might tell you that no, actually pure One sold

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<v Speaker 1>them until the sixties. They just didn't blow up until

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies. So that remains a tantalizing mystery as well. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and what we do think we know is that the

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<v Speaker 1>reason they blew up in the United States was because

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<v Speaker 1>of the Vietnam War and Apparently Here's what happened. As

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<v Speaker 1>the story goes, American g I s would go to Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>They would go and serve in you know, the countries

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<v Speaker 1>that surround Vietnam, and they would this is where it

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<v Speaker 1>gets a little dodgy, perhaps visit red light districts in

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<v Speaker 1>these areas, perhaps as you know, single soldiers with some

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<v Speaker 1>spare change. I guess sure, and they would, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where they would find the papasan chair. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>these brothels and papason this is where they think the

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<v Speaker 1>name comes from. Because it doesn't really make sense that

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<v Speaker 1>the chair would be called the papasan chair if it

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the Philippines, because that that's a nonsensical word

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<v Speaker 1>in the Philippines. It's actually Japanese meaning like father or

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<v Speaker 1>esteemed older man. Or if you're an American g I

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<v Speaker 1>in the Vietnam War, papasan meant pimp and mamison meant madam.

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<v Speaker 1>There you have it, So it's possible. According to John

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's research, this is a theory. It's a pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good one that American g I s started calling these

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<v Speaker 1>chairs papasan chairs rather than just calling them straight up

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<v Speaker 1>pimp chairs because that's who they'd seen lounging around in

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<v Speaker 1>them in brothels. That's right. Uh, I think this part

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<v Speaker 1>is fairly interesting. Uh. In nineteen seventy seven there was

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess in the surrounding years, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>when this issue came out. But there was, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>a magazine called MAC Flyer m a C Capital m

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<v Speaker 1>AC Flyer, and it was issued by the Military Airlift

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<v Speaker 1>Command Safety Office US, and there was a character, Major

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<v Speaker 1>cr Terror, who was a pilot, fictional pilot obviously, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was all about his crew and their antics and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. And there was one issue in seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seven that said this, uh, and this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy's like, doesn't know where to get his wife

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas. That's the setup. So he gets her everything

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<v Speaker 1>and he says this, she's got that wombat skin coat.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought her back from Athens, the Honda Goldwing from Tokyo,

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<v Speaker 1>candlesticks from Bangkok, a giant brass table from Iran, two

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<v Speaker 1>camel saddles from Turkey, a pair of elephants from Saigon,

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<v Speaker 1>and a Papasan chair from Clark, which was Clark Air

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<v Speaker 1>Base in the Philippines in the Philippines, right, So at

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<v Speaker 1>least by the seventies in the military, and in joke

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<v Speaker 1>that you would assume any military guy would know, is

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<v Speaker 1>that that you would associate papasan chairs with the Philippines.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's pretty strong evidence for John Kelly's idea, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the joke replied back in the comic was sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like her artman is decorated in contemporary military Should we

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<v Speaker 1>take a break after that burner of a joke? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll be right back with more on the

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<v Speaker 1>papasan Okay, Chuck. So here's where it's possible that Pier

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<v Speaker 1>One already had popasan chairs, just no one was really

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to him. Um. It was probably soldiers, American

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers returning from Vietnam who had seen these chairs in

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<v Speaker 1>brothels in the in Southeast Asia and we're like, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a pimp chair right there and they're selling them.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally got to get one of those. Or people

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<v Speaker 1>went over to military people's houses saw them in their

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<v Speaker 1>houses and then also saw them at pure one and

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<v Speaker 1>thought these are really cool. One way or another, they

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<v Speaker 1>just hit just the right nerve and definitely. By the

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<v Speaker 1>mid seventies they were all the rage in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States as far as home decor is concerned. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's occurring to me. We haven't even described one because

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<v Speaker 1>I just assumed papaisans were so ubiquitous. If you grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in the sixties, seventies or eighties, even hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, probably that you know what one is.

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<v Speaker 1>But you might hear it called a retan chair or

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a bamboo or like a moon chair. And there

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<v Speaker 1>were different models over the year, somewhere smaller and had

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<v Speaker 1>four legs and like a smaller cushion the one. When

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<v Speaker 1>I think of a papasan, I think of the almost

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<v Speaker 1>comically large round saucer that is not attached to the

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<v Speaker 1>round base. It just you can angle it and move

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<v Speaker 1>it around. You can make it completely flat like a

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<v Speaker 1>bowl of cereal, or you can tilt it up if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to look like uh was Isaac Hayes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>although those chairs are different, and those are awesome too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a retan woven king chair throne from like

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<v Speaker 1>prom pictures in Yeah, but that's what the papasan is.

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<v Speaker 1>And the big fish bowl one that I associate with

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<v Speaker 1>that word had a very very large cushion. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times it was uh I had like flowers on

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<v Speaker 1>it or palm trees or something like that. I just

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<v Speaker 1>reminded myself of a p. F. Tompkins bit where he

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<v Speaker 1>talks about how he used to work in a hat

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<v Speaker 1>store and they had all sorts of hats and people

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<v Speaker 1>would come in. They'd be like, let me try on

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<v Speaker 1>one of them king hats, and he would say, what's

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<v Speaker 1>the matter with you? Like, you and I both know

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<v Speaker 1>that that's called a crown a king hat. Why did

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<v Speaker 1>you just call it king hat? He does it way

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<v Speaker 1>better than me, but it kills, and I just called

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<v Speaker 1>it a king chair chair and then you corrected me rightly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a throne, is what I meant. Oh, Paula Tompkins

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<v Speaker 1>the best, the best. So that's what I associate with

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<v Speaker 1>the Papason, Although, like I said, there have been other models,

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<v Speaker 1>and over the years they've evolved into like instead of bamboo,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be like woven string and stuff like that

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<v Speaker 1>as the support base. Yeah, or metal. They're like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people have said like no, no, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to associate it with hippies, because they were

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<v Speaker 1>definitely associated with hippies and um artsy chic and and

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<v Speaker 1>definitely kind of like that whole like, um, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what you call it, but the same people that

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<v Speaker 1>had beads in their doorway probably exactly. And you could

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<v Speaker 1>buy that at Pier one two. Right. But now people

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<v Speaker 1>are saying, well, wait a minute, if you get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the base, when you replace the base with something

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<v Speaker 1>like with kind of thin tapered stick legs, like, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes it suddenly mid century modern. You know. So people

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<v Speaker 1>have rethought it and it's kind of made comebacks here there.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you ask me that popas on chair that

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<v Speaker 1>you you described, where you could move the bowl and

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<v Speaker 1>be the cereal yourself, um, that is that's the all

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<v Speaker 1>time great one. But you just have to have the

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<v Speaker 1>right room for it because it totally ruins everything else

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<v Speaker 1>in the room. If you have a theme going that's

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<v Speaker 1>not popasan themed, Yes, and be prepared to drink plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of my ties. Nothing wrong with that. And John Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>also found a bunch of people in here that he

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<v Speaker 1>dug up through social media and stuff that had stories.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of cool. This one lady from Malaysia

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<v Speaker 1>said in her native Malacca, it was a very big

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<v Speaker 1>thing in the seventies to shoot, uh, studio portraits of

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<v Speaker 1>your kids and the smaller versions of these, Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is when they think they started introducing cushions, which means

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<v Speaker 1>people were sitting around to these things without cushions. Just

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<v Speaker 1>the ratan part. It sounds pretty awful, Yeah, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah. So they think that by the seventies for

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<v Speaker 1>sure these things were commonplace in the Philippines and that

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<v Speaker 1>they got picked up by then. And I assume so

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<v Speaker 1>you can still buy these brand new, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you can get them used online virtually any

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<v Speaker 1>day of the year. Yeah, that's another You can find

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<v Speaker 1>trampolines and papasan chairs and the classifiedes all the time. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think pure one like if you type

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<v Speaker 1>in papasan chair dot com, it takes you to peer

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<v Speaker 1>one papas on page and they have them. I looked,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're cheaper than you think. They're like fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>bucks I think for the highest end one. Uh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing some look here, this one's one eight right, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like the just the traditional good kind that

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<v Speaker 1>you and I were talking about, like the wicker retan version. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the cool kind of like the hanging basket ones as well,

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<v Speaker 1>those are very cool. Just make sure you hang it

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<v Speaker 1>on a sturdy buttress, everybody for sure. Well, since Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>that means that we are at the end of this

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<v Speaker 1>short stuff. So short stuff Audio stuff you should know

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