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Speaker 2: changing us. Hey, welcome to the Black Guy Who Tells podcast.

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Speaker 2: Y'all's Rod ed Karen and it's feedback time, Saturday morning.

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Speaker 4: So we have episode nine to fifty three title Wave.

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Speaker 4: Tell me where he's lying.

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Speaker 2: I wait, some of us will willingly throw our money

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Speaker 2: black people. Well you know, feel how you want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it says uh, title needs to differentiate yourself

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Speaker 2: Bluebell Man. We got two pints in the freezer right now.

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Speaker 2: good luck, Reggie, don't be throwing up like an old girl.

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Speaker 2: Nigga's gonna start robbing people on Craigslist for the blue bell.

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Speaker 2: Give it up, motherfucker. No, it's set up.

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Speaker 2: That's how the strange should start. It's just I should

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Speaker 4: good point.

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00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: Ask the people who have real issues about being marginalized

441
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: to name an instance where they were targeted instead of

442
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 2: what about black on black crime?

443
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

444
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: Correct.

445
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: Kyle says if you mad at jay z freestyle, then

446
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: either you don't understand how freestyles work, or you just

447
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 2: hate jay Z that much. Also, it seems like Karen

448
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: was right when she said the record labels were the

449
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: ones making money from these streaming services. Warner apparently reported

450
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,719
Speaker 2: that they are making more money from streaming than they

451
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: do music download Right.

452
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 4: If this is true, then Jay was right.

453
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: Artists are getting fucked big time actually, and by extension

454
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:14,719
Speaker 2: listeners too.

455
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 3: Right.

456
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Speaker 6: It's like everybody wants to go towards the service, but

457
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 6: these companies are paying these people for the rights to

458
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 6: this music, and then they're hoarding the music, not paying

459
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 6: the artists, and then to an artist to go after

460
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 6: the companies for more money. Well, bitch, you're getting paid

461
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 6: for it. You paid the people who you owned the

462
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 6: rights to their product.

463
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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's the link to the article.

464
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Speaker 2: I'll put it in a chat for you guys, but

465
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 2: it's the title is Warner reports earning more from streaming

466
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: than digital sales for the first time. Streaming revenue grew

467
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: more than four times as much as revenue from downloads

468
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: in the most recent quarter. Wow.

469
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Speaker 4: That's it only took a quarter Wow for that to happen.

470
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Speaker 3: Because more people do it.

471
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Speaker 6: Because the thing about it is that when people like

472
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 6: purchases like phones and laptops and you know, all these

473
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 6: tablets and all this shit.

474
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Speaker 3: A lot of times most people stream from these services.

475
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Speaker 6: A lot of times you can, depends on your personal preference,

476
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 6: you can buy cheaper versions of whatever you want and

477
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 6: just stream everything versus buying the more specive one for

478
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 6: the more space, which most people don't feel like is

479
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 6: justified for them to use. And it's one of those

480
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 6: things where you know, these companies are paying, and people

481
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 6: act like, well.

482
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Speaker 3: Y'all not paying the artists, y'all not paying. No, they're paying,

483
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 3: but there's going through another party.

484
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Speaker 6: And instead of this party, instead of this party doing

485
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 6: right by the people that they own their services from,

486
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 6: they want you to go back to the source. And

487
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 6: they've always been like that and that's the problem from

488
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 6: the beginning, and that's why they want too kind of

489
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 6: and it's funny though, because they're making this money, but

490
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 6: then they won't turn around and they want to attack people.

491
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Speaker 3: They don't want shit to be free. Why because it

492
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: benefits them. Every time somebody signs up, it benefits them,

493
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: every time somebody presses play, it benefits them.

494
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 6: It does not benefit them for people that have the

495
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 6: service for free. That means you're literally listening to the

496
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 6: music without for free. Because even with the radio, people

497
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 6: that play music on the radio, they pay for the

498
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 6: right to play this music.

499
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 3: So they're like, well, we want it.

500
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Speaker 6: We want to make it to where you can't get

501
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 6: anything free no more, and that's impossible in this climate.

502
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean people keep laughing at the artists

503
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: and talking over the artists like it's okay, you know,

504
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: Like that's what's so crazy to me is like people

505
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: are so entitled, you know about you know, the money

506
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: that the artists get, where they're like, I should get

507
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: your shit free. Why do you want money? And then

508
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: so then when artists complain about money, it's always just

509
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: like look at you, Richie rich complaining because I'm stealing,

510
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like nothing you can do right.

511
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 6: And it's one of those things where I applied people

512
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 6: can say what they want to say. And I think

513
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 6: a lot of people get mad because they don almost

514
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 6: spend fucking money. But I applot Beyonce. I applied Taylor

515
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 6: Swift for saying, no, fuck you, you're gonna pay me

516
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 6: for my motherfucking creativity.

517
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: You're gonna give me my money.

518
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Afro Diva says, Look, I don't have any skin

519
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: in this title game because I don't use streaming services.

520
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: I mean, good luck to them, but it doesn't matter

521
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: to me.

522
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: But this notion that black people don't want to support

523
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: black owned businesses, well, I can't speak for other black people,

524
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: but I know I would love to support black everybody.

525
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: But black people are profiting off the black community. I

526
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: need to hire a detective to find a black owned

527
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: business in the hood. The problem is that we don't

528
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: ever keep our shit. Even if you're able to find

529
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: a brand to support, it doesn't last. We build it

530
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: up and then sell it off to the white man,

531
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: which is fine, get your coins, but then we lose

532
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: before us by us nature of it all. I would

533
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: like you for you to provide some examples of that,

534
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: because a tooth is a couple of things, right, So

535
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: if you have an idea and let's say you let's

536
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: say Jay Z invented Twitter. Obviously he didn't and at

537
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: some point he was like, I'm gonna sell Twitter for

538
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: billions of dollars or you know, doctor Dre's headphones or

539
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: something like that. If if he still puts money in

540
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: stuff like you know, bailing out people, and ferguson UH

541
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: paying for UH the kids of people that die by

542
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: police violence to go into UH to go to college,

543
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: or you know, supporting the infrastructure of Black Lives Matter

544
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: and shit like that. Would you still feel that way, like, yes,

545
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: a billion dollars from the white man, but it's definitely

546
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: going back to the community.

547
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 5: You know.

548
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: The other thing I would throw out there too, is

549
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: a lot of times when you say people UH lose

550
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: these businesses and and and it doesn't last a lot

551
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: of times it's because not enough people supported it. So

552
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: so you know, when you have like a product like uh,

553
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of him now, but that

554
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: natural hair stuff.

555
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: For curly hair that it had been around for years, right, Yeah.

556
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: And they had to sell it eventually. I think they

557
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: had to sell it to Target. But they were about

558
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: to go out of business or have to sell it

559
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: to like Target or something like that.

560
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 6: A lot of times people don't do this because they

561
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 6: want to, a lot of times they do this because

562
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 6: they almost have to.

563
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: Not in all cases, but a lot of times.

564
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: So even in that case, it's like we're not getting

565
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: enough support, so we and sometimes you know, that's the

566
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: thing when you're serving a smaller community, and I don't like,

567
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't ever like to put the burden on black

568
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: people for the record, But when you're supporting a smaller

569
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: community where even the highest potential is we get thirteen

570
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: percent of the market, if every single black person buys it,

571
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: you're going you're fighting a losing battle as it is,

572
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: because these other brands are servicing eighty percent of people.

573
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: It's kind of a miracle that we're able to do

574
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: what we do.

575
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: If you think about it, we have a black podcast

576
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: when very unapologetically black, we talk about black shit all

577
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: the time. You know, thirteen percent of America are black.

578
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Who knows what percentage of the posts listening to audience

579
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: are black. But we've found a way despite millions of podcasts,

580
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 2: probably at this point at least thousands, right thousands of

581
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: podcasts that actually try to cater to as big an

582
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: audience as possible, and they do stuff like, oh, we're

583
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: gonna you know, we don't. You know, We've talked to

584
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 2: other people that you know, would listen to our podcasts,

585
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: and they would advise us to do things differently to

586
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: try to service like other people, like well, don't talk

587
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 2: about this and make the show shorter and do you know,

588
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: don't talk about this topic and don't don't say this

589
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: word and shit like that. And we've always kind of

590
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: been like no, like we want to serve firstly ourselves,

591
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: be true to ourselves, but also we want to serve

592
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: like certain type of people that look at this and go,

593
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: I want to hear it, you know, and it doesn't

594
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: necessarily And because we're specific and true to ourselves, my

595
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: personal belief is that opens us up to everybody. So

596
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: it's like if you are if you are white, you

597
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: can listen and support us because you're not getting this fake,

598
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: phony ass Like we don't.

599
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: Want to say the N word because white people might

600
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: be listening.

601
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about that, Like you're just

602
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: you're getting a glimpse into an authentic relationship when the

603
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: way that people talk, you know, the you know, the

604
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: topics that we want to discuss. And I feel like

605
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: a lot of times, you know what we're stuff that

606
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: what we're doing is not normally supported and we're not

607
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: normally able to make a living off of it or

608
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: make it into a business because you just don't have

609
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: the numbers.

610
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: You know.

611
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: We're very fortunate to have these numbers. I say it

612
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: every time I'm asked about it. We're very fortunate to

613
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: have people that put their money where their mouth is

614
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: and want to see us continue to succeed and continue

615
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: to put out a good product and talk about topics

616
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: that aren't being talked about in other spaces. All that

617
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: being said, there's a bunch of other podcasts that try

618
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: to do what we're doing and they just don't get

619
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: to support because the numbers aren't there. And that's just

620
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: kind of the thing with any of this stuff. So like,

621
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: it's not like jay Z made title and was like,

622
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: only black people should buy titles, But he was making

623
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 2: this point of because because I think what's happening is

624
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: people are starting to flip it into black people don't

625
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: support black business. His point wasn't oh, black people are

626
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: not supporting me. He was like, why are we letting someone.

627
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: Ridicule the black business.

628
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: We're not ridiculing Spotify, we're not ridiculing YouTube, we're not

629
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: ridiculing iTunes. It's when we but when we come to

630
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: the black business, all of a sudden, you got people

631
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: writing joke pieces in major pop in major publications that

632
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: are saying things like jay Z's title flopped all and

633
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: it's like, well that, like that's ridiculous that people will

634
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: already go along with that narrative.

635
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 6: Right, And a lot of that is honestly based into

636
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 6: a lot of people self hatred is that black people

637
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 6: shit is so par Black people shit can't be the

638
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 6: best black people you.

639
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: Know, And you really run into that with a lot

640
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: of this, which.

641
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: But here's the thing, it's not just self hatred.

642
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that actually are like they

643
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: just hate, like it's just hatred, like right, Like a

644
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: lot of people that write those articles, they're not black people.

645
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: A lot of people that wrote those articles wrote for

646
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: popular publications, you know, like Yahoo News. Jay Z's title flopped,

647
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So so his question is

648
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: why are you joining in on the ad? Like, you know,

649
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: he's like, look, man, I it's you don't find it

650
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: funny that the person that they're ridiculing is the person

651
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: that is black. Come on, now, Like you don't experience

652
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: that on a personal level at your job or your

653
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 2: situation or whatever it is you're trying to achieve.

654
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: You don't recognize the pattern here. And and that's like

655
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: if you just don't have it in.

656
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: If you just have it in for jay Z, you

657
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: just don't care what he said, right, But if you

658
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: can look at it objectively for a second, and it's

659
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: kind of like, damn, the whole internet went on you

660
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: on this dude for trying to start.

661
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 3: A business, which people do all the time.

662
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 2: Yeah. Could you imagine people did that with bees by

663
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: dre or some shit, you know what I mean, where

664
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh man, so I'm so listening to

665
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: these headphones.

666
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: They didn't sell enough two weeks in, you know. So

667
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: it's just kind of weird, you know.

668
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: And the thing is the business still might fail, because

669
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: stuff fails all the time. But I just I just

670
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: think it's odd to rejoice in the failure. And then

671
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: especially remember at the time, people started saying that they

672
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: don't that it's because jay Z doesn't help black people,

673
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: he don't care about black people, and it turned out

674
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: to be flat out lies, y'all. People were just people

675
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: were just making shit up because they don't like that dude. Correct,

676
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, anyway, the problem is waning to

677
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: keep on shit, we build it up set out the

678
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah, like I said, some maybe that's

679
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: some people that do sell out to white people, quote

680
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: unquote whatever that means. But I really don't think that's

681
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: the issue with title or whatever, you know. And I

682
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: don't think that's the issues that people were bringing up.

683
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: People weren't bringing up I'm not gonna support this business

684
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: because they're gonna sell it to some white people. They

685
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: were bringing it up and basically the line and saying

686
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: jay Z doesn't care about.

687
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: Black people, so because that's a better narrative.

688
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: Was jay Z's title freestyle offensive? Yes or no? That

689
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: was Paul ninety one percent of our audience.

690
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 5: No.

691
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: Non percent of the audience did say yes. Here's a commentary.

692
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: Prince Lawn says, I don't forget he likes to hit

693
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: people in the nuts. I'm not offended, but I thought

694
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: that all of the points he brought up in that

695
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: freestyle were stupid as fuck. I think jay Z is

696
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: misplacing race when it comes to titles. Initial hiccup. The

697
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: line about black people only being skeptical of our own

698
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: shit is pointless. In this case, all people, including niggas,

699
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: had every right to be skeptical of title.

700
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: He came in with a more.

701
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: Expensive option and failed to con advance people while his

702
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: service is better. To this point, there's still no clarity

703
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: on the difference of conversation between Title and his competitors.

704
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: The line about the the only one they criticized look

705
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: the same as you is also bullshit. Companies get criticized

706
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: all the time and do so heavily. Jay z is

707
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: just feeling extra heat because he is the face of

708
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: this initial failure. He is getting more heat because people

709
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: don't like him. But he should have known that going in.

710
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: I remember that Microsoft got fried because of Zoom, Windows Vista,

711
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: and various other things. He is no special in that

712
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: regard his comparison to Tim Cook and feel Night only

713
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: sounds good in a vacuum. He was trying to attack

714
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: the ridge, getting richer criticism, but ignoring the fact that

715
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: Apple and Nike cell products that people value. When people

716
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: buy an iPhone that actually had the phone in that possession,

717
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: they don't feel the same possession about music. They don't

718
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: but they should, but they don't, especially when it comes

719
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: to streaming services. This will be more awkward ive Apple

720
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: streaming success starts off being more successful streaming, I guess

721
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: venture starts off being more.

722
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 4: Successful than Title.

723
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: I missed the transition from the young black men being

724
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: killed by police the title not doing well. I don't

725
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: mean figuratively. I'm actually having a hard time hearing that audio.

726
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Maybe if I had that lossless audio, I might have

727
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: caught it. Since I didn't hear it going, I'm going

728
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: to assume that Jay did so in good taste. He

729
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: hasn't given any other examples of being irresponsible discussing those

730
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: type of issues. Lastly, I actually hope Title does pick

731
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: up and become successful. I just think that Jay is

732
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: trying to defend a bad product. There are plenty of

733
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: reasons why non cuning black people stated with Spotify, and

734
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: he should be the focus on He should be focused

735
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: on that, and as it pertains to being black owned,

736
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: he should wait until his product is worthy before he

737
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: gets on that track.

738
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: Shit rental Spoons would have been a black.

739
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: Owned business, all right. Here's the things I disagree with

740
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: you about. One, if I'm defending my business, I'm gonna

741
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: use every fucking thing I can, So I don't even

742
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: understand that criticism like how you gonna defend your business? Well,

743
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: people are calling my business would just started a fucking failure,

744
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: which is like you said it several times in this thing.

745
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: But we clearly know that this a year's long ambition,

746
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: Like it's not something that succeeds or fails within a month.

747
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: You know, So already you're kind of accepting this narrative

748
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: that he was talking about and and and you know,

749
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: I think his belief is part of the willingness to

750
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: accept that that that that that same those same talking

751
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: points is because he's black. So it's like, well, he's

752
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: a black dude, so I'm you know, we can go

753
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: in on this. Whereas you know, if it was like

754
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: like I said, with Spotify, people were more cautioning patience

755
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: and eventually were you know, we overtaken by and then,

756
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: like I said, he's defending his business like it's like

757
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: people in space. And I don't even know if maybe

758
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: it's because he's rich and he's a celebrity and people

759
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: do this thing all the time. We talk about on

760
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: the show a lot where you're like, people can't help themselves.

761
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: That just about celebrity. But why would he be like, well,

762
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta admit I failed. Why did I

763
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: even try out? What was I thinking?

764
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 4: Being the face of this venture?

765
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: I man, it's all on me, Oh well, guys, I'm

766
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: just gonna not talk about this like I've seen people

767
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: say stuff like take the l and focus on something else,

768
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: and how you're gonna defend your business cause it's mine,

769
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: that's right, the same way you would. It's if I

770
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: started attacking your post and talking about how it had

771
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: misspellings and typos and facts went wrong writing shit. At

772
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: some point you're gonna be like, all right, Rod, here's

773
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: my let me give you my point of view. Right,

774
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: That's just what he's doing. And it was a minute

775
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: and some change freestyle that was basically like, here's my

776
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: point of view on the things that people got me

777
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: fucked up with on this title shit right and the

778
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: thing about it.

779
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 6: And I said it before people make these comments, and

780
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 6: it's not coming from a place of business sense. It's

781
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 6: just how I feel about these things, which is but

782
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 6: when you talk to somebody that's in the business that

783
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 6: goes that shit don't make no sense.

784
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: I would defit my business. I would talk about me

785
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: being black. I can't. He can't hide himself being black.

786
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, this is my business is a black.

787
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 6: Owned business, and he's talking about how people are criticizing

788
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 6: him because he's black. And yes, people have went after

789
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 6: these other companies, but have they gone after them to

790
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 6: this extent, you know?

791
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: And that's because a lot of here's the thing, Prince Laurn,

792
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: And now it's funny because people are trying to divorce

793
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: from our initial podcast where we talked about it. So

794
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if y'all are willfully ignoring what we

795
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: talked about in the first time, or if you just

796
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: you know that it's indefensible. So you're walking away from

797
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: that point. They were saying, he doesn't care about the

798
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: black community. They were saying, he it's not okay for

799
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: him to even bring up that these people died by

800
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: police violence because he doesn't care. So he's only bringing

801
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: it up to sell title.

802
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: That was the point.

803
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: So all the others it to me is bullshit and

804
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: secondary because those weren't the arguments people were making about

805
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: his product or his service. The arguments were he, as

806
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: a black person, only cares about black shit when it's

807
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: convenient to sell a product, which is complete bullshit. So

808
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: you know the rest of the paragraphs, you can miss

809
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: me with all those Plus you try to hit people

810
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: in the balls when you play basketball and you know

811
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: that's not right. You're a dirty player at Prince Laarn.

812
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: Guys gotta listen to balls the sport. That's why you

813
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: gotta be premium. Buzzy Chizy says what jay Z said

814
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: is right.

815
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: I don't realize.

816
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how rabbit the jay Z Beyonce haters

817
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: were until jay Z launched title. There were so many

818
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: people saying that it was all motivated by greed. Why

819
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: would I pay money to make jay Z richer? Well,

820
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I would rather pay money to jay Z than those

821
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: other artists than to faceless corporations that benefit from the

822
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: work of others, but doesn't make a point of paying

823
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: the people who make the music fairly, right, Yeah, not

824
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: to mention he had a point, because people were saying,

825
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: why would I see like I said, it's funny because

826
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: you're not talking about the critique, You're only talking about

827
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: his response to it. People were saying, well, I'm just

828
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: gonna make jay Z richard by playing a title. Man,

829
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm tired of this shit, But he's right. You don't

830
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: care when Phil Night is richer.

831
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: Right, you buy the next iPhone or they Android, or.

832
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: You don't care, Like, don't you never use that argument

833
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: for why you don't buy iPhone correct period.

834
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 7: Right.

835
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: A lot of people like in the say like well

836
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: that I mean, well that's because you got an iPhone.

837
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: Well if you bought title, then you got title. You

838
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: just don't got it, you.

839
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, Like, it's not like, you know,

840
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: it's not his fault that people have bastardized ownership of

841
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: music to be like it's nothing to me, it shouldn't matter, right,

842
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: So he's making that argument like I don't understand. It's

843
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: like people just want you.

844
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 4: I don't know something wrong with.

845
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: People anyway, Well I would rather pay money jay z Okay, Yeah,

846
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: there are tons of small indie artists that are getting

847
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: screwed with the Spotify model. Yeah, you guys know some

848
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: of them because they've been on our show. They're comedians.

849
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: There's a reason that when certain comedians come on here,

850
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: we actually promote the links to their albums where you

851
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: have to go on different platforms and don't tell you

852
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: to go.

853
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: Get it on Spotify because they don't get shit.

854
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: So, you know, for like, it's funny because when people

855
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: are making this argument, they don't even realize the people

856
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: that are affected by this you know. So it's like

857
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 2: I don't like we have people come on the show

858
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: when like, yeah, man, you want us to promote blah

859
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: blah blah, and they're just like, well, don't promote the

860
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: thing on Spotify because I actually don't get anything. You know,

861
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: I get a fraction of a penny for that shit.

862
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: Can you just tell them to go get it off

863
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: of this? So, yeah, it affects real people, people that

864
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: you probably like and would like to see get money

865
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: and support. Would you like to be able to click

866
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: on that and be like, oh cool, I know Jay

867
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: j L or Chris or whoever got some money from this. Cool? Well, anyway,

868
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: I support Titles simply because of its own because.

869
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: It is competition, right.

870
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. Why wouldn't you want to have competition.

871
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: In the prices dropped for everybody?

872
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: With competition right only through only through several streaming services

873
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: competing with each other, will there be better paid for

874
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: actual musicians. That way, musicians will be better able to

875
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: negotiate and cut a deal in their best interest. Titles

876
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: audience isn't the people that listen to Spotify for free.

877
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 2: It is the pay subscribers. Another thing people don't understand

878
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: because they keep going like, well, why don't you just

879
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: give it away free options? Like you don't want you

880
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: you don't want a free option, right, you know, Like

881
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: we've had people say that, why don't you just let

882
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: me buy one show? It's like, unfortunately, that would not

883
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: help our business model at all. For you to have

884
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: one free show or to go pay like two dollars

885
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: for one show, that would that actually would hurt us

886
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: as a business, Like we would probably not be able

887
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: to make a living off of doing our show if

888
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: that was an option.

889
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 6: Right, And they're not going after that market. And sometimes

890
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 6: people don't want to admit this. Sometimes you're not the

891
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 6: targeted market, right.

892
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, pay subscribers to Spotify. Their opinions are the

893
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: only ones that matter. I do feel like people have

894
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: started to feel entitled to music, as if it should

895
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: go to them for free. Music costs money to make,

896
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: where programs is the largest Spotify cost money to host

897
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: and maintain.

898
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: People need to get over it.

899
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: Could you imagine a backlash that will happen if Slash

900
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: when the musicians entitle remove their music from other streaming platforms.

901
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: I can hear it now this Nigga jay Z actually

902
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: want me to pay for his music on Title, the

903
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: only place that it is streaming.

904
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 4: I feel wrong. Let me go and listen to his

905
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: music on YouTube instead to sit through the ads.

906
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, because that's why I think the next step

907
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: is at some point, jay Z, Beyonce, all these people

908
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: they had up there are gonna be like, yeah, we're

909
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: done with Spotify, so you can either come to a

910
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: Title or not, you know, because it's only gonna take

911
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: those people feeling like they get paid a higher percentage

912
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: on Title, because I mean, Taylor Swift took all her

913
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: shit off streaming period, Like, fuck that right, I'm not.

914
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: Getting paid right, pay me for my services.

915
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: So you know, and you know what I did.

916
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: I went out and boughved motherfucking shake it off immediately

917
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: immediately because I because I was like, I need this

918
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: in my life.

919
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 4: So it could definitely work that way.

920
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: Apparently everyone is allowed to make money off jay Z

921
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: and Beyonce and Jack White at others music except for them.

922
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: If Title does what it has been hinting at with

923
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: its backing independent artists, and the streaming service is going

924
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: to take off, take out the middleman completely, the recording companies.

925
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: I don't think that record companies are happy about that.

926
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: Since NaSTA, the record companies have not adapted the business model.

927
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 4: To the change of times.

928
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: Streaming services that back independent artists and cuts deals with

929
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: the musicians directly threatens to up end the entire system.

930
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: Correct, And I think they're slow. They've always been slow.

931
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 6: They don't want to change and they and I honestly

932
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 6: think that they're getting scared because you know, if Title

933
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 6: gets to the point where it gets to the vision

934
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 6: that they have, that means that it will actually strip

935
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 6: them out and they would get a small and smaller.

936
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: Percentage of the pie. And well, a lot of artists

937
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 3: now don't do contracts.

938
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 6: They're like, fuck it, Why am I gonna do a

939
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 6: contract when I have these other means to go directly

940
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 6: to my audience. I can actually make money by going

941
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 6: straight to them versus paying you for your services.

942
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is the key to Title, in

943
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: my opinion, is gonna be when they signed the first

944
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 2: up and coming person. Not like it's not gonna be

945
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: these older artists who a lot of people already have

946
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: that catalog somewhere, you know, while albums, It's gonna be

947
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: when someone when they can get something exclusive to Title

948
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: that people actually are like, Yo, that's dope. Where do

949
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 2: I go to hear this? And it's like, oh no,

950
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: only on Title because they already do like exclusive streaming

951
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: live shows and concerts and stuff like that. You know,

952
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: at some point that'll probably be the thing that pushes

953
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: over the edge.

954
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: Right.

955
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 6: And also, competition is good because it forces everybody to

956
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 6: up their game. You know, yeah, Title streams, you have

957
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 6: Spotify time?

958
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: Are we doing podcasts?

959
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 6: Now? So you know it forces them to stretch their

960
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 6: platforms out and do other things that they might not

961
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 6: have even offered if Title hadn't jumped into the game.

962
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, I just think that people people

963
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: are people just feel like shit should be free and

964
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: and and the thing is what people are willing to

965
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: trade with jay Z and the people are Titled is

966
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: their time, Like, Hey, put a couple of ads between

967
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: it and then I'll just listen to it for free

968
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. But he's trying to separate what

969
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: he's doing from from from Spotify's model. And look, like

970
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: I said, it might not work. Most businesses fail, so

971
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: it might not work. But at the same time, I

972
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: think Once you start breaching into the you don't care

973
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: about black people bag, that's when I have to stop

974
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: and be like, hold up, man, now we're not talking

975
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: about this business model.

976
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: We're talking about him as a person.

977
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: Something's wrong with you, right, because I don't know what

978
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: the fuck Spotify did for Baltimore. I don't know what

979
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: the fuck you know iTunes did for Freddie Gray. I

980
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck uh you know any of

981
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: these companies. You know, the Amazon Prime gives some money

982
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: to you know, you don't know. So so for us

983
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: to start being like a dude that we actually know

984
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: does things in the community, doesn't care, it went too far.

985
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 4: And that was my main and really only point.

986
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 2: Other than if you don't want to split the title,

987
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck you know my I'm not

988
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: making an argument of like you need to go get titled.

989
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: This isn't a type. We don't get paid for my

990
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: title to do this, right, So, so it's not it's

991
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: not anything about that.

992
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: It's just once you got to the point of personal

993
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: tax on this man as a black person, he gets

994
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: to defend himself on that and I and you can't

995
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: take away.

996
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 4: From that by talking about what a bit. This isn't right.

997
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, but what does that have to do with

998
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: what ch'all say about him being black? That's fucked up.

999
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: Melo Bella says, I subscribe to the paid service with

1000
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: Spotify title can give me everything I enjoyed about Spotify

1001
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: and more for the same price.

1002
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 4: I will switch. Is that simple?

1003
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 6: That?

1004
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: And this is this is business. Too many people worry

1005
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: about coins that ain't. There's the people who don't who

1006
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: they don't like based off assumptions. To those offended, it

1007
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: did exactly what it's supposed to do. Insert well and

1008
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: the great voice got them. Uh yeah, man, it got it.

1009
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: It did it just generated It's funny.

1010
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 6: Man.

1011
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: As much as people say they don't care about jay

1012
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: Z and it's over and he oh blah blah blah,

1013
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: that one freestyle got everybody talking, everybody talking. What other

1014
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: artists could do that?

1015
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: Very few?

1016
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: It's funny. Kendrick and j basically the only two people

1017
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 2: I know that drop verses that shut the game down

1018
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: for a few days. We had episode nine fifty four

1019
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: sons that game eight got another comment, I don't know.

1020
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: Let me approve this so that we don't miss any comments.

1021
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so Soarzagate we had three comments.

1022
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: Donald says, it's funny that you mentioned other ice cream

1023
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: manufacturers taking advantage of Bluebell being out of the game.

1024
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: Man Ben and Jerry, which usually has it's pints for

1025
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: seven ninety nine, had them joints on sale for three

1026
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Lol.

1027
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: It's a great time to buy ice cream.

1028
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 3: Yes, me and Rother be going to the doors. Everybody

1029
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 3: shit been on sale two for five four fourteen.

1030
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't get one free, right, I've been loving it.

1031
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: Tyrell seven one to three said this episode, not unlike

1032
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: the Red Wedding, left me a mess. He's talking about

1033
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: the Game of Thrones episode. I sat in silence for

1034
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: a few minutes. I didn't even go back to HBO go.

1035
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 2: I'm honestly still not one hundred percent. But I began

1036
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: discussing it with several friends, one of whom has decided

1037
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: to no longer watch the show. I understand her point

1038
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: of view and respect of decision. You brought it up

1039
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: on the show how Kyle Drogo raped Danny. This was

1040
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: a point I brought up as well. I think we

1041
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: didn't have any sort of relationship with the future Mother

1042
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: dragons at that point and lacked empathy. For Nah, that's bullshit.

1043
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: I just rewatched the first two episodes and you definitely

1044
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: can identify with her because she's basically a slave to

1045
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: her brother who's acting creepy and touched her tails. Then

1046
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: they sell her to this big beast looking dude and

1047
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: Kyle Drugo. They show graphically them having sex several times,

1048
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: not essentially with him just humping her from behind like

1049
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: a fucking animal, and then you know, eventually she kind

1050
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: of learns to flip the sexual power of that relationship

1051
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: and you know, not what she's raping him or anything,

1052
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: but where it's more like, you know, she's making him

1053
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: value her sexually because he's like, oh you want to

1054
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: be on top? Oh you want to okay, because all

1055
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: that the the THRACKI people respect his power and control

1056
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: and not having be and shit. So you know, so anyway,

1057
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: so that's you know, I think it's a coldly different

1058
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: situation when you say we didn't have a relationship with

1059
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: her and lack empathy. I think a lot of people

1060
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: just weren't necessarily around for that. A lot of people

1061
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: that upset now and I think a lot of people

1062
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: hopped on Late already knew that Danny was gonna overcome

1063
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: that shit, and they were so for them, it's like, oh,

1064
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: it's okay, I already know what happened, right, we don't

1065
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen with Sanza.

1066
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 4: Two episodes from now.

1067
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: We could be feeling like, Wow, she really overcame that

1068
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: and she's more powerful now. Or maybe we'll be feeling like, yo,

1069
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: that destroyed her. It was you know, she was just

1070
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: getting her shit together and it put her be in

1071
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: a bad place. We don't know, and because we don't know,

1072
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: the anxiety is higher, and I think that bothers the people. Now.

1073
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 4: Now that's, by the.

1074
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 2: Way, that is not to dismiss your point, t Real.

1075
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 2: I do agree that it is all about how people

1076
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: feel about sons, correct.

1077
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: I do agree with you.

1078
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: There stems from that.

1079
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, not all of it, but a lot of yeah,

1080
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: some of it is, yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of it.

1081
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 2: You're right, not all of it, A lot of it not.

1082
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: And some of it does stem from that. But a

1083
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: lot of people are just tired of seeing rape as

1084
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: a plot device, which I don't know why you would

1085
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: watch Game of Thrones. It's pretty much threatened every week.

1086
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know why you would even watch it,

1087
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: but they're tired of it, so this was just too

1088
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: much for them. But for Sonza, we watched her grow

1089
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: from a child to a woman suffering the Joffrey and

1090
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Circey and have developed an attachment to the character at

1091
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: this point. This was us, the viewers, seeing our TV

1092
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: little sits violated, and it was affected in that regard.

1093
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, a lot of people didn't even

1094
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: like Sonzo, a whole lot of people. I remember bringing

1095
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: up on the show last year that I was starting

1096
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 2: to feel sympathy for her, and people were like that bitch,

1097
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: I hate her. She's dumb, and you know, they wrote

1098
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: her to be kinda hated. You know, like, if you

1099
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: think about what this all started, she sold out her

1100
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: sister basically, and then she had to because she thought

1101
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: she was gonna marry Prince Jeoffrey and everything's gonna.

1102
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 3: Be great, right right the day that got killed.

1103
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: Right, But she kind of caused a lot of this

1104
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: without knowing it. She was thirteen, How could she fucking

1105
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: know that?

1106
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 3: Correct?

1107
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: But people didn't have sympathy because it was like, your

1108
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: sister's so strong, your parents and your family are so honorable.

1109
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: You're the one who's fucking up the most, and you know,

1110
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: you were completely messed up, and it took people a

1111
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: while to come around to like and it's just show hate.

1112
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: I get it, it's not like she's a real person,

1113
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: but it still took people a while to come around,

1114
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: if at all. And much like Shonda Rhimes, this was

1115
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: the thing that happened that makes a hated character go

1116
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: to a beloved character, and a character sympathy, have sympathy

1117
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 2: that you have sympathy and empathy for. And I think

1118
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: that was something that a lot of people had an

1119
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: adverse reaction to. You know, people were still shitting on

1120
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: signs of this year, you know, like on my Twitter

1121
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: feed when I'll be like, yo, she's trying to play

1122
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: the game. She's getting she's getting her wits about her,

1123
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: she's understanding the angles. And then people will be like, man,

1124
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: fuck that bitch, blah blah blah. But but what you

1125
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: didn't want to think, because it's been five years now,

1126
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: you didn't want to think, well, maybe she can get

1127
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 2: possibly sexual in song on her wedding night. You didn't

1128
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: want to have that thought, even though everything was pointing

1129
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: to that's what was gonna happen.

1130
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 6: Right, because it was one of those things where when

1131
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 6: she was with the imp, we know he didn't have

1132
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 6: sex with her.

1133
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: So everybody's like, okay, cool, apparently you know it's not

1134
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: a problem. But it's one of them things where they

1135
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: was like, oh, got your second.

1136
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 4: Time, Yes, dodged the bullet with Jeoffrey, right, you know.

1137
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: Uh then then little Finger didn't try anything, which we

1138
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: were so sure he was gonna try something. All you

1139
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: did was kiss her, right, So yeah, we you know,

1140
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: it finally happened and people couldn't take it. Let's see,

1141
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 2: Uh this was us the view were seeing our TV.

1142
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Little sister viot. Okay, this is the mark of greatness

1143
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: in one sense, and that the writing and acting are

1144
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: so tremendous that it hit us all so hard.

1145
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't see this is simply right or wrong.

1146
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: I fully get those who are in the mindset that

1147
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: this is too much and a bridge too far for them.

1148
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: I also understand the perspective of those who will argue

1149
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: as fiction and the reality of the women of this world,

1150
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: women it would seem never have good wedding nights in Westros.

1151
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just funny too.

1152
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: Because to me, if they didn't do it, then all

1153
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it becomes like, what the fuck is

1154
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: wrong with this show? So now the show is pulling

1155
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: punches because you have not been pulling punches any other time.

1156
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 4: I mean, they've gone far and beyond the expectations of others.

1157
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: Like the stuff that happen at theon is so far

1158
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: beyond the pale of any other show I've ever watched

1159
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to, yeah, you hate this guy, but

1160
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: how much do you hate this guy? Let's make his

1161
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 2: fucking life real bad and see if you flinch as

1162
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: an audience and go, wait a minute, now, I don't

1163
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: think all that needs to happen to it, right, right,

1164
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: you know, he does shit, but god, right, it just

1165
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: happened that I hate them so much that I don't care.

1166
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: But a lot of people have given up on that

1167
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 2: and they feel sorry for him, like I said, And

1168
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: even last episode was the first time where I've kind

1169
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: of felt a twinge of.

1170
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: Sorrow for him, right, just to see that pain on

1171
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: his face.

1172
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: Right, And that's you know, credit to the acting and writing,

1173
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: Like they went to the point where they were like,

1174
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna break you too, like where I'm like, all right,

1175
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: I guess maybe I don't want to see them separate.

1176
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 3: It's kind of a human being.

1177
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Caller Beauty said, it's so crazy to me how

1178
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: mean and hateful people can be when it comes to

1179
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: celebrities and regular people in general that they don't even know.

1180
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: For jay Z and Beyonce, they pretty much damned that

1181
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: they do and damn that they don't. The haters are

1182
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: always gonna be there. I'm in tears with these hashtag

1183
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: Waco thug tweets. Lol.

1184
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a whole.

1185
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: Lot of media coverage on it, but yeah, I haven't

1186
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 2: heard anybody start calling them thugs or talking about white

1187
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: on white violence, et cetera. Side note, we actually do

1188
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: have one of those Twin Peak restaurants close to Charlotte.

1189
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: It's next to Concord Mills by the ALC. I've been

1190
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: there once and the burger I had was really good,

1191
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: but not anything so special. Well, Cali Beauty, I'm not

1192
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: ready to die for it, to be honest with you,

1193
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: me roll up in there and playing sons and anarchy.

1194
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: And shit, we all ready to go through it? Is

1195
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 3: it Max And that they have backbars and all that

1196
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: stuff in there, but it's a safe place.

1197
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Are you tired of sexual assize of a plot device

1198
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: on TV shows? Yes, I'm over it. No, I don't mind.

1199
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: This is a close pole. Forty six percent of our

1200
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: audience is over it. They don't want to see it

1201
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: used again.

1202
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: And no I don't mind.

1203
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: Fifty four percent of the audience says no, you know,

1204
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: don don't mind. I'm just saying, right, said, I think

1205
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: the inclusion of sanss Rate was merely a plot device

1206
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: to developed theon Reek, which is the most troubling. Okay,

1207
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: before we go on, can I just say we don't

1208
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: know that? Is that?

1209
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 4: Okay? Cause like the thing about all the pieces that

1210
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 4: have been saying that.

1211
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: If you wait a couple of weeks, we will know

1212
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: for sure, you know, and maybe it is maybe it

1213
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: is only going to be about theon. Sansa will be

1214
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: unaffected about it, and it's gonna make Theon to the

1215
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: man that y'all think he should be or maybe not.

1216
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: We'll keep going, but I just want to I just

1217
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: want to stop right there, because people I've been reading

1218
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 2: that and that's always been like, but but you don't

1219
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: know that yet. You just think that and let's be honest,

1220
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: we really don't have any president on this show to

1221
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 2: think that everybody else that's been sexually assaulted or something

1222
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: in some way it's gone. It's been about them as

1223
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: a focus. It hasn't been about the other person yet.

1224
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: I know other shows have done that.

1225
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 4: But not this show. We'll see, maybe they will do

1226
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 4: it this time.

1227
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: But you know, with Danny men rape, that didn't turn

1228
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: into and how to this affect her brother?

1229
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 4: You know, it was about her as a character. So

1230
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1231
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: Man, Even the Crashers keep women with all the sexual

1232
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: assault that the Crows are doing to them, turning to them,

1233
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: a lot of them turning and killed those men as well,

1234
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, So I you know, I don't know. We'll see.

1235
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: I mean shit, John would have died if not for

1236
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: any Okay, all right, Notice that while Sonsa is being raped,

1237
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: they focused on theon's face, theon's reactional like Sonza's rape

1238
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: was there, the jar theon out of a weekend brainwash state.

1239
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: If the writers do not effectively so focusing us on

1240
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: Sonsa and the emotional afthmath of the rape, then they

1241
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: do not They do not do her character justice at

1242
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: all in this lazy plot writing. Here's the thing I'll

1243
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: say about that, though, that was probably the only way

1244
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: they could film that scene because I don't think they

1245
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: could do it gratuitously like they did Danny. I think

1246
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: people would have responded even harsher if they did focus

1247
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 2: on sons of Oh. Also, they do show Sons's face.

1248
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: By the way they show Sons, they don't show anything graphic.

1249
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: They show because I watched it more than once now.

1250
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: They show him pulling off her trying to untake the

1251
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: rope off her sleeve, him pulling the closing thing off

1252
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: her back, and then they focused on her face been

1253
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: over to bed for like twenty twenty five seconds, and

1254
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: then they focus on uh, Theon's face for probably like

1255
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five seconds and they fade the black. They

1256
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: don't actually show any actual like sex or nudity, but.

1257
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 3: They did with Danny.

1258
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: Yes, right, So my point is I feel like that

1259
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: scene is there to affect both of you, and also

1260
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: Theon's face is in tool. Is a tool in the

1261
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 2: scene to make you have anguish because they're like, we're

1262
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: not gonna show you what's happening, but we're gonna show

1263
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: you his face, and you're supposed to glean from that

1264
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: whatever's happening is fucking terrible, right, and.

1265
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 6: Whatever your imagination is probably gonna be a whole hell

1266
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 6: a lot worse than what they might have ever showed.

1267
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: You, right, And maybe it's it does give you sympathy

1268
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: for theon at this point, for Reek, but the point

1269
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: being I think there was to express that he was

1270
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: that he that that they could not show you what

1271
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: was happening, but it was terrible. Examples Brian being threatened

1272
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 2: with rape was once was used to turn Jamie Lanster

1273
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: into a character people can cheer for. Okay, I mean,

1274
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: I guess you could do that, but there was no

1275
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: rape there for the record, all right. If anything, he

1276
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: got raped.

1277
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 4: Off his hand.

1278
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: The hound killing those people that threatened the rape aria

1279
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 2: was a motivating influence for people changing their thoughts about

1280
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: the hound. Not really, because then the hound turned to

1281
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: her and told her that he was only doing that

1282
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: because she was supposed to be queen and he didn't

1283
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: care about her immediately after that happened, so I think

1284
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 2: that's a bullshit point. Obern is scene as a hero

1285
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: because of his motivation for revenge for his rape sister.

1286
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 4: Oberon was also seen as a hero.

1287
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: Because he was cool as shit, though he was you

1288
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like, we really didn't get that

1289
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: like that in my opinion anyway, because we never get

1290
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: to see his sister. They never really talk about what

1291
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 2: happened to her and why it happened. Until he really

1292
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 2: was touched down dancing on the mountain. That's when we

1293
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: really got.

1294
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: The U rap.

1295
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: You know, you killed our children, you raped it.

1296
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 8: You know, that was when we.

1297
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 4: Really got that like feeling.

1298
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: But to me, I always liked him because he hated

1299
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: the Lanisters and the Lances are terrible. Tyrian is seen

1300
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: is honorable because he won't rape Saands and force of

1301
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: the half sex. Tyran's seen is honorable for more reasons

1302
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: than that. He also fought off the bat at King's Landing,

1303
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: got into battle himself, got acted to the fucking face.

1304
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 4: He also was kind to John Snow.

1305
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: He saved John Snow's life at the wall when John

1306
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: Snow uh did all that fighting with those people and

1307
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: they were gonna kill him in the weapon shed, and

1308
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: he walked in and basically said, I could tell the

1309
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: Queen about what you guys are doing.

1310
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 4: We have seen characters be bigger. It's five seasons at

1311
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: this point.

1312
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: We've seen characters be honorable for bigger things than just rape, uh,

1313
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: and for other things and just rape. Like it's not like, oh,

1314
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: Tyran is evil, except that he wouldn't rape Sarns. We

1315
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: thought Tyrian was a sympathetic figure in my opinion before that,

1316
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. This was after you know,

1317
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 2: this was after many scenes where he was the only

1318
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: person that was talking shit to Geoffrey, many scenes to

1319
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: the point where he was threatened to be killed by

1320
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: Jeoffrey several times.

1321
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 4: So it wasn't just oh well he as a matter

1322
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 4: of fact, I'll do you want better.

1323
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: It would have been out of character for Tyrian at

1324
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: that point to have sex with Simson, and it wouldn't

1325
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: have been And it wasn't like he was gonna have

1326
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: the rape her. When they got to the room, she

1327
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: said plainly to him, like, so, I guess we gotta

1328
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 2: have sex now, and he was like, I will not

1329
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: take your bed until you want me to, and she says,

1330
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 2: what if that never happened? She says, then I will.

1331
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: He's like, then my watch will stars now or something,

1332
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 2: and he passed out on the couch. So yeah, I

1333
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 2: just I think people are trying to flip the facts

1334
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 2: to only it's rape rape, and I just think it

1335
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: doesn't apply here. All right, So.

1336
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 4: During the crisis, keep seeing the call.

1337
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: Tanner speech about raping women until they die was purely

1338
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: about developing car Tanner's character so that we would care

1339
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: about his battle with John Snow, oh maybe they were.

1340
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 3: They died, right.

1341
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 4: The people at the wall are rapists and cowards and thieves.

1342
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 6: I mean, people have a whole conversations while these when

1343
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 6: we're getting raped in the background.

1344
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that dude was pretty evil even before the

1345
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 2: rapes happened. During the insurrection, all that shit. During that

1346
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: rape scene, the women were just used as props. They

1347
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: didn't focus on their faces. They didn't bring any humanity

1348
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: to those victims. They didn't care about the aftermath of

1349
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: the for those victims. I'm going to continue watching the

1350
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: show to see if they come on. Man, here's my thing.

1351
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: So you thought all these things were bad, Because I

1352
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree with you. You thought all these things

1353
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 2: were bad, and you kept watching, and now you're gonna

1354
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: continue watching after this, I think.

1355
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 3: A lot of people. Yeah, me and you talked about this.

1356
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people like feelings.

1357
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I got feelings and they made me

1358
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 6: feel feelings, and I'm mad. I'm upset because of feelings.

1359
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 6: And I think for a lot of people, it's just

1360
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 6: the feelings. It's not really this outrage, because outrage would

1361
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 6: be boycotting the show. Outrage would be demand HBO take

1362
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 6: it off the air, like that would be outrage in

1363
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 6: my opinion, So a lot of these people aren't really outraged,

1364
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 6: They're like feelings, emotions.

1365
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 3: You know, I'm upset about X, Y and Z.

1366
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 6: But like I told you, unless we put me wrong,

1367
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 6: most people you are gonna have percentage of people that

1368
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 6: are that was like, fuck this show, But most people

1369
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 6: Sunday Night and not Bell, They're gonna still watch. Yeah,

1370
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 6: no matter how many thing pieces and shit they put

1371
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 6: out there, most people gonna still watch.

1372
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was resistant to that, but I'm starting to

1373
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: come around to your point of view on this, which

1374
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: is funny because I really was trying to be more

1375
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: sympathetic towards you know, all right, well, some people gotta

1376
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: tap out. But it really does seem like a lot

1377
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: of people just want to use this as a platform

1378
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: to try to.

1379
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: Promote their own.

1380
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: Superiority morally over everyone else, Like, look how much more

1381
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: I feel than everyone else? Right, because I'm so hurt anyway,

1382
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: I'll be tuning in like no, if then you're then

1383
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: your piece of shit cause you actually I don't believe

1384
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: the things you put you do and you continue to

1385
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: support the show.

1386
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 4: What kind of person would do that? It doesn't even

1387
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 4: make sense, Like.

1388
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's like they for some people, they it's

1389
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 6: like I'm gonna make you feel bad because you don't

1390
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 6: have any prominent rape.

1391
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: Yes, I have a fucking problement rape.

1392
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 6: Nobody is condoning rape because they don't write all these

1393
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 6: deep pieces and all this shit. People not saying that

1394
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 6: it wasn't emotional, people not saying they didn't feel things.

1395
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 6: You know, that goes to the writing and shit. Like

1396
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 6: I said last week. But I'm not going on the

1397
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 6: grand stand saying all these things to be like, you

1398
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 6: know what, I'm still gonna watch the show.

1399
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna get you know, watch the show to

1400
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: see if this is used to develop Sanza or at all,

1401
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: or just used to develop theon That is my fear. Well,

1402
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: you started by saying that that's what you think it is,

1403
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: so why would you need to keep watching you? And

1404
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: then you said all this other shit that you believe

1405
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 2: is the show doing that? So if you really do,

1406
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: why would why would you need to stick around? I

1407
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 2: don't get it, you know, if it isn't properly addressed

1408
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 2: and the show is just contributing to society's collage views

1409
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: towards rape victims.

1410
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 4: But you think all the other scenes were.

1411
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: That's what you're That's what you said, the idea that

1412
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: women are just supposed to bounce back from it, like

1413
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: Danny did, like Circe did, like Sansa previously did when

1414
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: she was almost raped in the streets of King's Landing.

1415
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: You called says A bouncing back. What about says has

1416
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: bounced back since then? Bounce back?

1417
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 4: Also? You know what, another thing that's fucked up.

1418
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: It's a bit disrespectful the people that have been victims

1419
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: of sexual assault to be like, well, why aren't you

1420
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: just completely always terrified to victimize. You can't possibly just

1421
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: be a complete human being. You can't possibly bounce back

1422
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: from this. You can't possibly be a person that every

1423
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: time I look at you, every time you speak, I

1424
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 2: don't think victim. Victim victim, victim victim. You know we

1425
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: talked about that when I believe it was delicious or

1426
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 2: whatever from Flavor of Love when she was on a

1427
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: cooking show and this woman talked to her about the

1428
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: time she was sexually assaulted, and she was basically waiting

1429
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: for her to cry, like we aren't you gonna cry

1430
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: about it? Aren't you gonna And she was like no,

1431
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,879
Speaker 2: like that happened to me twenty years ago, Like I'm

1432
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 2: over that now I have you know, I have to

1433
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: move on with my life. And her husband was basically

1434
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: trying to revictimize, like, oh, well, you just must have

1435
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 2: wanted it. You a fast girl, So like you have

1436
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: this type of attitude towards people where it's almost like

1437
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: a privilege of your own to be like, well you

1438
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 2: how you just gonna have them bounce back from it.

1439
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: I don't newsflash, guys, I don't know how many times

1440
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: we gotta talk about on the show. Sexual assault is

1441
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: happening at a very alarmingly high rate. It is you

1442
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: personally guarantee it. You know someone who has been sexually

1443
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: assaulted that has not told you about it, and you

1444
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: never will talk to them about it. Correct when you

1445
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: talk about it in public or in private or whatever.

1446
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 2: You really don't know who the fuck is listening, nop,

1447
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: So you can't gloss over it on some like, well,

1448
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: how you just gonna bounce back because people are resilient

1449
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: and they bounce back. There's people that bounce back from

1450
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: seeing a murder happen in front of them. There's people

1451
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 2: that bounce back from all kinds of shit. Some people,

1452
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: of course, will always be affected by but they might

1453
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: not let you be privy to that, right, They might

1454
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: not let you into that. So, yeah, you just don't

1455
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 2: ever know who you're talking about. You know, just because

1456
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,839
Speaker 2: our show is comfortable with talking about just about anything,

1457
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean necessarily that we're callous to anything. And

1458
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: the same thing with Game of Thrones, in my opinion,

1459
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 2: just because they're comfortable discussing the uncomfortable things that that

1460
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: happened that other shows avoid doesn't mean that they're callous

1461
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 2: to those things.

1462
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 4: It's not like they delight and take pleasure in showing

1463
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: this shit.

1464
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't like theon started smiling and and and then

1465
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: like some happy music started playing.

1466
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 4: It wasn't a joke, it was a It was a

1467
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 4: scene that was meant to evoke emotion.

1468
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,600
Speaker 3: And it worked right, and people are mad because they

1469
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 3: got feelings right.

1470
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: I just wish people had the same feeling about gamer

1471
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: throne they would have about real women. You know, when

1472
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: we read a fucking when we read an article about

1473
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: you know, uh college and campus rape and shit like that.

1474
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: If people felt that way that they feel about gamer throngs,

1475
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 2: then then we could fucking get the laws passed where

1476
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 2: we have every single state and every single university have

1477
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 2: a no means no, and anything other than yes, isn't

1478
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: it yes?

1479
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 4: We could do that, you know. I read an article

1480
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 4: in the Washington Post to day.

1481
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 2: It was from Post Everything, where it was a woman

1482
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 2: saying how feminists are redefining uncomfortable sex as rape and

1483
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: how she wasn't really rape even though that there was

1484
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,640
Speaker 2: a guy that was married and she did that she

1485
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 2: always regretted sleeping with.

1486
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 4: And he coerced her into having sex with her.

1487
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: She said no, and then she had sex with him

1488
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 2: later on, and she was like, no, that's not rape

1489
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: because she don't want to admit that maybe I was

1490
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: raped under this definition of rape. Maybe maybe that guy

1491
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: who was an older, more experienced person, maybe he did

1492
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 2: coerce me in the ways that he knew I would

1493
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable with knowing that, Hey, I'm just gonna get

1494
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: this whizzy when I want to that, Like, it's shit

1495
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 2: like that that you don't see the outrage over. But

1496
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 2: if g R, George R, and Martin were to put

1497
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: that into a script, maybe then people would care. Anyway,

1498
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: this is it's not the same anyway, the idea that

1499
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: women are just supposed bounce back. Okay, the Walking Dad

1500
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: actually showed the aftermath of the almost rape scene properly,

1501
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: to actually showed Maggie and Glenn grappling with the traumatic event.

1502
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 2: I think it's important for people to point out why

1503
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 2: problematic for awareness. I would say this even The Walking Dead, honestly,

1504
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 2: they didn't even really go there because they knew that

1505
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: people like you would be upset. In the book that

1506
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: they have rape, yeah, graphic, multiple time depiction. They just

1507
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 2: knew that on TV with a different audience, and especially

1508
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 2: with AMC where they can't really show a lot, they.

1509
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 4: Knew that people wouldn't be able to handle it. They

1510
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 4: pulled their punch.

1511
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 2: The thing about Game of Thrones that's different from Walking

1512
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: Dead is they don't pull punches period.

1513
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 4: Ever, they don't like.

1514
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 2: Anybody else find it a little funny that in The

1515
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: Walking Dead, which is just, you know, one of the

1516
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 2: main shows where just morally people are just doing evil,

1517
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: fucked up shit to each other, we've never really seen

1518
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: a rape.

1519
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 4: Now, you know, nobody really.

1520
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: Think it's kind of kind of weird. It's happening now

1521
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: where we actually have laws, rule and order in society.

1522
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: But it doesn't happen on that show. They know they

1523
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 2: can't go there. If it was on HBO, you might

1524
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 2: see it though. Anyway, j W says, look, rape happens.

1525
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 2: It's sad, but true. Murder happens, robbery happens, kidnapping, arson, etc.

1526
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 2: It happens. In this case with Sonsa. I can't imagine

1527
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 2: how people didn't see something like this coming. Since we

1528
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: found out Soza was being wed de Ramsey, we've been saying,

1529
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: poor Sonsa, And that's because we know that Nigga Ramsey

1530
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 2: is crazy and it really wouldn't been a romantic wedding.

1531
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 5: Now.

1532
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 4: In fact, something very.

1533
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 2: Messed up would happen, and at least to me, I

1534
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 2: figured more than likely it would be rape.

1535
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 4: I can imagine that it may trigger some people.

1536
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: But really, by season five of this show, if you're

1537
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 2: still watching and you know us up, Yeah, Like I said,

1538
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 2: I try not to even get into this point, but honestly,

1539
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: at this point, I don't know what else to say,

1540
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't understand how the other stuff

1541
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: wasn't triggering and you and why would you keep watching?

1542
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: At this point, I really can't relate. I just feel

1543
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: like people must have personal lines where they had to

1544
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 2: tap out. Like sometimes you can watch Rosewood, but you

1545
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 2: can't watch.

1546
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 4: Twelve Years Slave right. Maybe you could watch.

1547
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: Selma, but you couldn't watch you know, the Butler, like

1548
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 2: I can't. It's just it's something that is not a

1549
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 2: rational thing. It's just people pop out where they pictures

1550
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: to tap out. That being said, so much of what

1551
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: I read is not that. No, it's not I don't

1552
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try to tell somebody to they need

1553
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: to or have to watch the show, because I really,

1554
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 2: you know, I and I honestly hope all the people

1555
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: that write this ship should say that they're not going

1556
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: to uh watch anymore. And I hope they don't because

1557
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to argue with them, and I don't

1558
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 2: want to be walking around because my brain's not gonna

1559
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: help it. I'm gonna be like, but didn't you say, wow,

1560
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: you're kind of a hypocrite then, you know anyway, So yeah,

1561
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: but hell, Danny got raped in the very first episode

1562
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 2: by dude that didn't even speak English. Love the show, guys,

1563
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: first time comment, they'll keep up the work they're doing.

1564
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 6: J W.

1565
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: Then they go on and say, hey, by the way,

1566
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: speaking of Danny cal Drugo rape seen in season one

1567
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 2: episode one, or was it too? It was and too?

1568
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: I wonder why we heard absolutely no blowback and up

1569
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: or uproar. There is it that women love Kyle Drogo

1570
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: and hate Ramsey? Well they Well, I'm gonna tell you honestly, man,

1571
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 2: it's been a while. I don't think the show was

1572
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 2: as popular as it was then as it is.

1573
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 3: Now, correct, and people jumping in at different points, like

1574
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 3: you said.

1575
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 4: Before, right, And at that point you had mostly people

1576
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 4: that you know, did like.

1577
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: I think you had a lot of people that watched

1578
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 2: it and were just like, oh, so this is what

1579
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: the show is gonna be. And then over the years

1580
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 2: people just kind of start like society has changed a bit.

1581
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 2: People start feeling a little more entitlement to the stuff

1582
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 2: that they're watching, and they start feeling like they should

1583
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 2: be considered a bit more.

1584
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 4: They start feeling like things.

1585
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 2: Should have to change according to their belief systems and

1586
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 2: stuff of that nature. And you know, rapers are very

1587
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 2: hot button issue, uh, you know a lot now, So

1588
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 2: you're going to like when you put something like this

1589
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 2: on screen, you're going to have some blowback from it.

1590
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, and something about a good point you had social media,

1591
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 3: but it wasn't to the point that it is now,

1592
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:10,640
Speaker 3: and a.

1593
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 4: Lot of people don't want to.

1594
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't want to be associated with,

1595
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 2: say they enjoy something what has happened, correct, They don't

1596
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 2: want to, you know, they don't want to because it's

1597
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: not like when I talk to people about Game of

1598
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: Thrones that they ever talk about Danny's sexual assault by

1599
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 2: They never talk about it. It's obviously that it happened,

1600
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean episode one and two, but yeah, they never

1601
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: talk about it. So yeah, it says is it that

1602
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: women love Caldro going, Hey, Ramsey, Nah, I don't think

1603
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: at that time people love Caldro because he hadn't said

1604
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: a word of English and he was very rough and mean,

1605
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: and uh, despite being a.

1606
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 4: Huge attractive dude.

1607
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 2: Eventually people got into it because the show writing was

1608
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 2: so well, so well done, that you end up liking

1609
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 2: him because Danny likes him, you know, because she gets

1610
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,600
Speaker 2: introduced into that that rough culture, and then but she

1611
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: takes it over so you're like, oh, Okay, she does

1612
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 2: love him, and she does see him as you know,

1613
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,879
Speaker 2: and he comes around to her as well. So anyway,

1614
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 2: a marriage to bride, he said, it was the exact same.

1615
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 2: Next scenario, A marriage to bride. Didn't want both versions

1616
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 2: a man in power, tears, tears, the whole nine.

1617
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 4: Yep, it was the same.

1618
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 2: The only difference are that theon was forced to watch

1619
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: most women don't consider Ramsey attractive. I'm not conduct don't

1620
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 2: need to see scenario, but if it was, it is

1621
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: a huge problem. I figured to be the voice of reason.

1622
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: I figured it be voiced in season one, not season five. Yeah,

1623
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: it's a lot of stuff adding up, and no it's not.

1624
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it's just because Ramsey's not attractive or whatever.

1625
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure if you saw Ramsey on the street, that

1626
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: dude is pretty cute or whatever. You know what I mean,

1627
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: Like the show makes him not attracted because he does

1628
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of evil shit. Sorry this got this got

1629
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: a bit long, but I want to get a perspective

1630
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: I haven't mentioned before. Forgive me rod Father this afro deva.

1631
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 2: First of all, people have been complaining about the rape

1632
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 2: scene since the very beginnings, So I need folks to

1633
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 2: stop with the where was the outrage then business.

1634
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 4: The outrage has been there, even if you want or wherever.

1635
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 2: Besides the horrific nature of watching them, these scenes have

1636
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: bothered me for two reasons. Well, let me start with that.

1637
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: I'll push back on that. The outrage has not been

1638
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 2: First of outrage, the dissent, the people that disagree. I

1639
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 2: don't even want to say outrage. I feel like that's

1640
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: such a loaded word at this point. People just did

1641
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: not like it, and they disagree. That has not always

1642
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: been there. I'm not saying that there haven't always been people.

1643
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 2: There were fucking seventeen think pieces written on this shit

1644
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: within twenty four hours.

1645
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 4: That that has not always been a thing.

1646
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: That in the first season, right, because the show has

1647
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 2: grown and the audience has grown, and the live tweeting

1648
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: of it has grown, those things have changed. And I know,

1649
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 2: and I know what I'm talking about because you know,

1650
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: we've been live tweeting for years now, it has changed.

1651
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: Even after Crashers creep Keep episode. Well, you had basically

1652
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: two episodes of crows raping women. It was not this

1653
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 2: level of outrage. I'm sorry, but it's just that's just

1654
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 2: a fact, all right. One of the rapes of the

1655
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: major your character, oh yeah, one of the mate So

1656
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: the major characters we have seen on the show did

1657
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: not occur in the books. Kyle Drogo stopped and asked

1658
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: Danny's permission before proceeding.

1659
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 4: So she got to enjoy her wedding night.

1660
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: What in the book? Maybe can't have Okay, So in

1661
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: the book, okay, all right, cool, can't have that, sprinkle

1662
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 2: some rape on it. Circe, after initially protesting, was overcome

1663
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: with LUs that was participating in passionate sex with her

1664
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: brother slash lover.

1665
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember that.

1666
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 3: Can't have that?

1667
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 2: He is talking about the books. Okay, can't have that

1668
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: sprinkle some rape on it. Well, here's the thing. This

1669
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: isn't the books, right if you and I from my understanding,

1670
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't read the books. But there's plenty

1671
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 2: of rape in the books as well. So this isn't

1672
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: the books, so they decided to do some things differently,

1673
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,839
Speaker 2: So just read the books. Also, there is a contingent

1674
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 2: of people that are upset about this only because they

1675
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: read the books and they felt they were protected from

1676
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: this because they were like, well, since I've read the books,

1677
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 2: they'll never throw a curve ball like this on the

1678
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 2: show with these major characters.

1679
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 4: Wrong, they will.

1680
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 6: They have the creative right to not follow the book,

1681
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 6: and right, they actually don't follow the book tick for

1682
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 6: Ted anyway.

1683
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 2: Right, this wasn't even sam as the storyline, but let's

1684
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: just shit on her and sprinkle some rape on her

1685
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: because she needs to be an eternal victim.

1686
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 4: Is she gonna be an eternal victim?

1687
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 3: We don't know.

1688
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 4: Because you already saw the rest of the show, you

1689
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 4: didn't know this was gonna happen either.

1690
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 2: The show runners specifically said that this is a subplot

1691
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 2: from the books that he loved, So that's why Sansa

1692
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 2: got shoe horned in Crashes Keep Seeing was totally made

1693
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: up for the show. The rape was referred to in

1694
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: the books but not described it to pict it in

1695
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 2: any detail. But if you know what was happening, so okay,

1696
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: but let's have this elaborate rape scene chock full of

1697
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: all the titty shaking and soul piercing screens we can

1698
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 2: cram in. That's the only way to show how bad

1699
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: these guys are, why they need to die. So you

1700
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 2: get past the herd of watching. Well, let's keep in

1701
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 2: mind they also did have an insurrection, stab drawing Mama's

1702
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: daddy in the back.

1703
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 4: You know, these guys were also coward.

1704
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 6: Like.

1705
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 4: It's not like the rest of the Crows were good people.

1706
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: And then suddenly we were like, oh, wow, these guys

1707
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 2: are bad. I didn't even know that until the rape started.

1708
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 2: All right, So you get past a hard watching it,

1709
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: and you you wonder why this is even happening. Then

1710
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 2: you go online see the writers of cast talking about

1711
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 2: how to discuss and display you just witness wasn't rape.

1712
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: They didn't say those women at the Keep work raped.

1713
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 2: Danny and Samson consented to marry those guys, so being

1714
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: brutalized on their wedding night is Tolde's cool. You guys, Wait,

1715
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: where did they say that? We read the quotes on

1716
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: the show. That's not I didn't. The only time I've

1717
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 2: seen them say something was a rape and we disagree

1718
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: with Cercy, like either one of them could have refused

1719
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: the marriage that they wanted to.

1720
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 4: Cercy was totally into it.

1721
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 2: Even though we depict the her sobbing and saying no

1722
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: over and over the entire time, not rape at all.

1723
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 4: And since they weren't.

1724
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 2: Rape, we are not gonna deal with the aftermath anyway,

1725
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: shape or form.

1726
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 6: Uh.

1727
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: If you're going to do a rape storyline, do a

1728
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 2: rape storyline, deal with the completely life altering shit effects

1729
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: of it.

1730
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 4: But that's not what they want to do.

1731
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 6: But my thing is that you want them to do

1732
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 6: a definition of what your rape storyline is, not the

1733
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 6: rape storyline that they prefer to tell. And everybody is

1734
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 6: in a cry cross sob, sob, sad, sad, Oh my gosh,

1735
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 6: my world has shattered type of rape victim, you know,

1736
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 6: And it's.

1737
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 3: Just one of those things.

1738
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 6: Well, to my personal opinion, I think that, and I

1739
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 6: will continue to say this. A lot of people full

1740
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 6: on this show, especially for a lot of people that

1741
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 6: have read the books, going whatever my imagination is, you

1742
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 6: need to tell the story the way I think the

1743
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 6: story should be told. In any deviation around that I

1744
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 6: have a problem with. But my thing is that you're

1745
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 6: stripping them from the creative right of telling the story

1746
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 6: the way that they want to tell the story.

1747
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1748
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 4: I just think that people.

1749
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 2: Didn't want to admit they read those books, and then

1750
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 2: they tried to be like, well, now I'll be protected

1751
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 2: from knowing this shit because I have the spoilers you don't.

1752
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: And it's been that way for years now. They've been like,

1753
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: we're doing shit differently. So the way that you were

1754
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: probably shocked at harrified by some things you read will

1755
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 2: happen on the show.

1756
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 7: Now.

1757
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: It's just gonna like it's kind of like people that

1758
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: read the comic books for the Walking Dead and then

1759
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: they get shocked because like.

1760
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 4: Oh wait, Andrea is dead.

1761
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not doing the same thing to the same

1762
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 2: people in the same order, right, So things are going

1763
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 2: to change and you're just gonna have to either deal

1764
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 2: or don't deal.

1765
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 4: But you can't just throw out there like, well it's

1766
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 4: bad writing.

1767
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: It's not bad writing, actually, because you're shocked, as fucked

1768
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: you're affected.

1769
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 3: It's good.

1770
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: And and if it's bad writing, why the fuck are

1771
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 2: you still watching? It's five seasons now. It really is

1772
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 2: on you at this point, there's really no reason you

1773
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: should keep watching the show if you honestly believe that

1774
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: this is a trend and that they just do not

1775
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:44,439
Speaker 2: know what they're doing.

1776
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 4: Is horrible, right, I don't understand why you're watching. I

1777
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 4: just flat out it does not make sense.

1778
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 3: I told you this from the beginning. And there are

1779
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 3: some people that are horrified that, you know, flashbacks and

1780
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 3: things like that, and they tapped out that they're are

1781
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 3: that percentage of people, And I understand that, But when

1782
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 3: you say that's the people why you still watch it?

1783
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: When you say stuff like they just love the show, right, well,

1784
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: then you love to watch it. It's been five fucking seasons, dog, Like,

1785
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: come on now, if you just want to pull the

1786
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: more high ground shit, then you need to tap the

1787
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: fuck out and leave it alone.

1788
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 4: Cause it because it's not like they're making you do this.

1789
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: Like it's getting to that point where it's like when

1790
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: people write out show and they're like, I don't like

1791
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: to y'all say the N word, Well then don't fucking

1792
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 2: watch the show, right Like, we're not. We didn't download

1793
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: the shit to your iPod and make you watch it.

1794
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 2: It's and we're never gonna stop. So at this point,

1795
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: you just gotta tap out, like I don't understand, Like

1796
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: it's like everyone wants to be like, but I'm affected

1797
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: so much more than you because I can feel all

1798
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 2: the rs of the world Like, no, nigga, you watch

1799
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: the show just like us. You were discussed it just

1800
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: like us, and you're gonna be watching again just like us. Right,

1801
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. Man, God,

1802
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: you know not to mention like I said, you you

1803
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 2: thought you were safe because you read the books and

1804
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: you read ahead and you think that you're gonna know.

1805
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: And they're getting to the point where they're caught up

1806
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: with the books and they're like, yeah, man, we're gonna

1807
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: do some things different.

1808
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 3: You know.

1809
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: It's the it's the thing that keeps people watching. And

1810
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: also with the crass key thing you say that they

1811
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 2: don't show people affected by rape. Those women that survived

1812
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 2: that went off to live away from them men by

1813
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 2: themselves because they were like, we don't want to be

1814
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,799
Speaker 2: around anybody affiliated with these crows.

1815
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 4: We don't care if you're the good ones that you're

1816
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 4: gonna save us and take you.

1817
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 2: No, we're out, you know, So I you know, to

1818
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,560
Speaker 2: say no one's affected by even Danny's way of surviving.

1819
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: She was affected. Well, she's supposed to always be a

1820
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 2: cowering victim.

1821
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 5: For what.

1822
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 4: Women don't overcome this every.

1823
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: Goddamn day in this country. They don't fight back, they

1824
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 2: don't go to work, they don't like there's so many

1825
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 2: women that are suffering from stuff like this that actually

1826
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: find a way to cope so that you don't feel uncomfortable.

1827
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1828
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 2: It's just to say that there's only one way to

1829
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 2: play this is really, like I said, it's almost disrespectful

1830
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: to to me. It's like saying to make it like

1831
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 2: a racial thing. Well, black people are scared of the cops.

1832
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, if you're going to depict this,

1833
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: you need to show a black person that scared to

1834
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 2: leave their house. They don't drive, they only catch the bus.

1835
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 2: They run away from police, And like Nigga is our

1836
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 2: daily life. So the same black person that works with

1837
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 2: you and hangs out with you, the same black person

1838
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: gets in the car and drives every day. The same

1839
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: black person that you know sees an officer and waves

1840
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 2: at them. Even though we don't want to, we also

1841
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,719
Speaker 2: exist and we got over it. You know what, I'm saying,

1842
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 2: we have to get over it because life won't let

1843
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: you not get over it.

1844
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 3: Come on.

1845
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the thing about the show.

1846
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 2: One of the things I actually like about how they

1847
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: do these horrible things of people, and sometimes the people

1848
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: survive is that, like everything, you have to get over it.

1849
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 2: Whether it's being a dwarf who is blamed for your

1850
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 2: mother dying and called a monster and frame for a

1851
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 2: crime you didn't commit and has an axe put into

1852
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: your fucking face and survive, you know, a murder plot

1853
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: basically from your sister, you have to get over it too.

1854
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: Whether it's watching your father get beheaded in front of you,

1855
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: you know, like watching the teacher who taught you how

1856
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 2: to how to fight die, you have to get over

1857
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: it too, everybody, whether it's having your dick cut off,

1858
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: whether it's the fact that your father disowns you because

1859
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: you went you were forced to go live with the Starks. Uh,

1860
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 2: then only only to overplay your hand, kill two innocent kids,

1861
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: get your dick cut off, get tortured, uh, and then

1862
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: become a fucking dirty ass slave to a to a

1863
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,560
Speaker 2: guy that you know, fucking uh, you know uh was

1864
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 2: responsible for killing the only people that you really only

1865
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: know is his family. Yeah.

1866
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you gotta get over it too.

1867
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 2: Everybody on this show, if they live, has something horrible

1868
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: happened to them the dad to get over.

1869
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 4: That's pretty much it.

1870
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 2: So, you know, one of those things is rape, and

1871
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 2: I think some of the arguments about it have it

1872
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 2: has been kind of ridiculous because it has been five

1873
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 2: season and at this point you're just reaching when the

1874
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,839
Speaker 2: real thing you should be reaching for is the remote

1875
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:11,880
Speaker 2: and turning this ship off if you can't deal, because

1876
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: it really is not gonna ever get better.

1877
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 3: Nope. And for people that have read the books, they're

1878
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 3: rapes in the books. There are lots of lots of yeah,

1879
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 3: rapes in the books.

1880
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1881
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,600
Speaker 3: So don't you think they're going to depict that on

1882
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 3: the television show?

1883
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 4: All right? I don't know.

1884
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 2: Uh so, yeah, they just want the shock value of

1885
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: it and then want to pull some Jedi mind trick

1886
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 2: and try to tell us that we didn't see what

1887
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 2: we know we saw.

1888
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 4: Fuck right off.

1889
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 9: Uh.

1890
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: The only time, like I said, the only time I

1891
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 2: seen them say that it wasn't rape was with the

1892
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: cerce thing, and I completely disagree with them. Also, I

1893
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: believe that the says of rape wasn't about her but

1894
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 2: about theo's redemption art. That just makes me see red.

1895
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 2: I would like to believe they are going to handle

1896
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: this well, but they have such a shitty track record,

1897
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 2: so I can't. Well just stop watching, please, That's.

1898
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 3: What I prefer.

1899
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 6: I don't mean like if if, if it's really affecting

1900
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 6: you to that point, that's the option. But for most people,

1901
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 6: they're not gonna do that. They're gonna continue to watch,

1902
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 6: just like everybody else.

1903
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 3: Right, most people are some people gonna tap out, most

1904
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 3: people are not.

1905
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Right, Like I said, if I understand people that I

1906
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: read the books hoping that I would be able to

1907
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: tell what was gonna happen and then I wouldn't have to.

1908
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 4: Worry about it.

1909
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: But obviously it's not that, and it hasn't been for

1910
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 2: quite some time. So I like, if you gotta tap out,

1911
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: you gotta tap out.

1912
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: Man.

1913
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: My whole thing is that to tell people to keep

1914
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: watching this, to tell people to stop, right, because I

1915
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 2: don't want you to suffer and I don't want to

1916
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 2: deal with it either, you know what I mean?

1917
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 4: So, like, I'm not trying to do this every week

1918
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 4: where we got to talk about, you know, this.

1919
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: Weekend rape and shit because because we didn't get keep

1920
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: in mind, we review this show every year, we didn't

1921
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 2: get any of these type of emails, any of them

1922
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 2: until now.

1923
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 3: Correct.

1924
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 4: So even people that are claiming like no, no, it's

1925
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 4: always been a problem.

1926
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 2: Where were you where Like you just now sent this email,

1927
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 2: you had a problem. You missed seven examples, and you like,

1928
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: these are problems, but you couldn't you couldn't be bothered

1929
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: till today, Like, come on, man, be honest, you weren't

1930
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 2: affected by until now, and now you want to revise

1931
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: the history on something like no, it used to be

1932
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: good at dealing with this, or it's always been so

1933
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 2: terrible at dealing with this, but now I'm upset, Like,

1934
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: come on, man, anyway, next episode nine to fifty five

1935
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 2: a bit of a nut.

1936
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 4: We had some comments.

1937
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 2: Afrodavis says, it wasn't at thirty three. But I'm one

1938
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 2: of those who stopped listening to new music. I'm just

1939
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 2: so overwhelmed, underwhelmed, I'm sorry, underwhelm with the quality that's

1940
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 2: put out today. Not that there wasn't always shitty, fun music,

1941
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 2: but there used to be a balance between that and

1942
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: really good music. It seems like it's just so hard

1943
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 2: to find the main in mainstream music today. I don't

1944
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: want to have to turn my mind off to be

1945
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 2: able to enjoy what I'm listening to all the time.

1946
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 4: Man, the lyrics are just offul I can't nigga.

1947
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: You just old. Yeah, that's all it is. You're just old.

1948
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 3: It's out there. There's a lot of good new artists

1949
01:30:59,600 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 3: out there.

1950
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1951
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 4: Oh, you just you're just the same as the people

1952
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 4: that they talked about.

1953
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 2: Uh, And you're romanticizing the old ages, the older music,

1954
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 2: and the older time in your life when life was

1955
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 2: probably better and more fun.

1956
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 3: You didn't have builds, your responsibilities.

1957
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, out here getting you know, finger banged at the

1958
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 4: movie theater.

1959
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: Ah, the whole world was new to us at the time,

1960
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, everything was great and Biggie

1961
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 2: was bumping, and so it's like, let me throw on

1962
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 2: some big But the end of the day, like, yeah,

1963
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: still keeople out here that's putting out great music. To

1964
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 2: look for it, Yeah, but you always had to be

1965
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 2: willing to look for correct Like I don't like I

1966
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,879
Speaker 2: lived in the world where we had physical d CDs,

1967
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: DVDs and tapes, you're telling me you didn't have to

1968
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: fucking go to the store and pick out an album

1969
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 2: and find when the latest was. Sometimes drive several places

1970
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 2: over town that hopefully they weren't sold out, so you

1971
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: can get your hands on, you know, a copy of

1972
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,800
Speaker 2: you know, NAS or something like that. And and and

1973
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 2: now you're telling me that all of a sudden, it's

1974
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 2: harder sitting at home on your computer scrolling through streaming.

1975
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, no it's not. It's much easier.

1976
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 3: You just have to work.

1977
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 4: You old, and you don't care no more. That's all

1978
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 4: Amani says.

1979
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 2: The ball biiting cop is a little too close to

1980
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 2: Prince Laurn's strategy of defense from Ballsy Sports.

1981
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 4: Just bad all around.

1982
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 2: Agree. I thought about disagreeing with caring about racism not

1983
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 2: needing an element of power versus bigotry, but at this

1984
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 2: point it's academic, it really is. While my definition has

1985
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 2: more to do a reinforcing the construct the race. At

1986
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: the end of the day, we agree on the larger

1987
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 2: point and don't want to lose that. Splitting hair as

1988
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 2: big as or bigg as, anyone can be one and

1989
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 2: it's always fucked up anyway. Love and appreciate y'all. Both

1990
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 2: the content is amazing, work ethic is even greater. Get

1991
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,640
Speaker 2: that jet fun thanks to money, yep, and yeah that

1992
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 2: go ahead, oh yep.

1993
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 6: And a lot of people, you know, they want to

1994
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 6: argue with me about that. But at the end of

1995
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 6: the day, what's the root calls?

1996
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 3: Hatred? Fuck? Fuck that, what's the root calls of it?

1997
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, niggas just really hate to hear that ship because

1998
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: they want to They want to make racism into something

1999
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 2: only white people cantend do, right, And it's all a

2000
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 2: mantis because then if I say, okay, forget racism or

2001
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: about prejudice, well, I mean everybody's prejudice. Yeah, yeah, Well

2002
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 2: is it okay though, to be prejudiced, to be to

2003
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 2: act upon that prejudice, Like when that woman was working

2004
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: at the job and put to kill all white people

2005
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 2: on Twitter, that that was okay for her to be

2006
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 2: the diversity person aut of college and be tight and

2007
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: come on, we both know that that's not okay.

2008
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 4: And if she would have.

2009
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 2: Been any other race putting out putting out that shit

2010
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: other than black, we would have been like, all right,

2011
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 2: come on, man, stop, oh go.

2012
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 3: Ahead, I'm sorry, because the end of the day is

2013
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 3: one of those things.

2014
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 6: But black people don't want to look at themselves as

2015
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 6: the problem sometimes like everything is always somebody else problem.

2016
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 6: Sometimes you the problem, but nobody wants to admit that.

2017
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 6: Nobody wants to ever do self examination when it comes

2018
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 6: to how you feel about people of another race.

2019
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's just it's I don't want to say no,

2020
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: it's just it's just people feel like we get to

2021
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 2: opt out of that, right, Well, we've been a victim

2022
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 2: of racism, so obviously we can't do it. It's like, okay,

2023
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 2: but you know what we mean, Like you're getting into

2024
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 2: a semi antics argument where we're talking about something obvious,

2025
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,880
Speaker 2: which is it's wrong to just be like I hate

2026
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 2: all white people, right, or I hate all Indian people,

2027
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 2: or I hate all Mexican people. I get to say

2028
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 2: it though, because I'm black. Nah, that's still wrong. I

2029
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: wouldn't kick it with you. I wouldn't kick it with

2030
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 2: you me either, And we both and can put it

2031
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 2: call with every name, bigotry, prejudice, racism, but call it

2032
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 2: whatever name you want. We can have.

2033
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 4: You want to have a semantic argument over.

2034
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:26,200
Speaker 2: It, that's cool.

2035
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 4: I won't be kicking it with you.

2036
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Nope, Wanga says this Aussie lady saying white women are

2037
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 2: also at fault when they get hit by an abuser,

2038
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 2: as embarrassing my country.

2039
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot she was from Australia. Yeah, all right.

2040
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 2: And then the poe was, should the hashtag kill all

2041
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 2: white men diversity lady be fired?

2042
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 4: Yes, she's totally out of line.

2043
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 2: No, she's just doing her job. Seventy percent of people

2044
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 2: thought she was out of line. Twenty one percent thought

2045
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 2: she was just doing her job. Cappadonna says, I know

2046
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 2: I have a rep as a very you know, could

2047
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 2: you leave these parts out of the th arts when

2048
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 2: you're write in caval Donna, The part where you talk

2049
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 2: about how long what you're about to say is about

2050
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 2: to be so long? Because you really could say an

2051
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 2: extra paragraph of shit by just leaving that out, and

2052
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to sigh every time I read your shit.

2053
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 4: Anyway, i'ma try to skip to the important part.

2054
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 2: And that dear sister was on that malmouth fake revolutionary

2055
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 2: bs and forget she was at the office. She wasn't

2056
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: the provost at MegaR Evers Community College. She was a

2057
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: diversity director at the Lilly White University in London. Did

2058
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 2: she think no one would recognize her in the break room.

2059
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 2: Even if you think that white and male privilege is

2060
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 2: a problem, you don't help the struggle by being as stupid.

2061
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 2: She's not Cornell West, and the Revolution ain't gonna pay

2062
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 2: her a car. Note this is a similar stunt pull

2063
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 2: by Ward Churchill's short recap. He's a Native American college

2064
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 2: professor who called the people at the World Trade Center

2065
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: low level Nazis months after nine eleven. Yes, Bahar Mustafa

2066
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: was speaking an innate truth about the power and privilege,

2067
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 2: but when it went but went about it completely wrong,

2068
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 2: much like Churchill, and yes, like Churchill, she has her

2069
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: stands on social media.

2070
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 4: Who thinks she's a bold voice of.

2071
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 2: The revolution, And like Churchill she has a Fox deficit

2072
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: when it comes to white male power structure. But like Churchill,

2073
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 2: her resume will be regularly thrown into the waste basket

2074
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 2: for the next few years. She'll be lucky if she

2075
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 2: getting serve as an English tutor at her local community college.

2076
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 2: HR compliance don't want lawsuits. This dear sister will bring

2077
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 2: with her antics. Kappa Olivia right said, if you work

2078
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: at HR, you already know people don't have a sense

2079
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 2: of humor. Internet hashtags for the fed up and anonymous,

2080
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: don't look cute, and official capacity yep, correct. Yeah.

2081
01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 4: Plus, you can't be saying kill all white man.

2082
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 2: Come on, no, no offense to that lady, but come

2083
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 2: on the same. I mean, that's just one of those

2084
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 2: times where like, your friend tells your story, Like this

2085
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 2: happens all the time of people where your friend is

2086
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 2: telling you a story and you start thinking like you wrong,

2087
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 2: you know right, like you like they're your friend and

2088
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: you want to be on that side, but as they

2089
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 2: explain the story, you're like person here.

2090
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 6: Uh.

2091
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 2: The last episodes Don't Get Married, which where we had

2092
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 2: Netta and Freeny black Oh discuss them thrones, and we

2093
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 2: didn't get talked about anything else.

2094
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 6: Uh.

2095
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 2: Here's the comments. Mike Mallory says, what up their brothers

2096
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 2: and sisters. I'm posting this before listening to the show.

2097
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 2: So somebody brought this up our pologist being repetitive. I

2098
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: really shouldn't read dress of this. Uh, but what about

2099
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 2: what are the odds of Aria taking on the image

2100
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 2: of that girl she talked into drinking that poison water.

2101
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,599
Speaker 2: It can't be a coincidence that Aria gain to understanding

2102
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 2: where the faces come from as a result of sacrificing.

2103
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 2: The girl in her same age range also shout out

2104
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: to mister Echo as a fan of Loss. It was

2105
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 2: good seeing my dude getting some screen time, even if

2106
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 2: he's a pirate who sells dwarf cocks. Keep getting them cheeks,

2107
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 2: them checks.

2108
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,759
Speaker 4: I'm sure to keep getting them checks, shit and cheeks.

2109
01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Echo, is he talking about at a BC?

2110
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 2: Did he play mister Echo as well?

2111
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 6: He may have.

2112
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: I have to look that up. I feel like, uh,

2113
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:07,560
Speaker 2: mister Echo. Uh see he's played by Adela. Uh why what?

2114
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so I guess he played Oh he played

2115
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 2: mister Echo too.

2116
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 4: I didn't even fucking.

2117
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 2: I haven't watched Lost in so long. I've erased everything

2118
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: about that show from my memory because he was uh

2119
01:38:22,040 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, good for him getting their checks. Marcus says,

2120
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: I did the webay face when Rod reminded all of

2121
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 2: us that he called it when Marjorie was celebrating before

2122
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 2: she got into the end zone. Like I remember when

2123
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: you originally said it weeks ago. But I was dispensed

2124
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 2: with hell, thinking yeah, but Circe really can't do shit

2125
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 2: about it. But Circe was listening to the black guy

2126
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 2: who tips because she peeped the power of homophobia and

2127
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 2: use it to her advantage. Now Marjorie and her brother

2128
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 2: are locked up, that granddaddy is on a business trip

2129
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 2: with an assassin, and o'lena is low key as stuck

2130
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 2: as a crip in the Blood neighborhood. Circe is still

2131
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 2: bound to mess this all up because but she being

2132
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 2: petty as she.

2133
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 4: Can right now.

2134
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 2: As for everything else, I believe you guys handled the

2135
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 2: controversial scene as well as possible. I too get it

2136
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 2: that if this was too much for some people, but

2137
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 2: it totally fits the story that's being told, especially considered

2138
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 2: the character of Ramsey is an all our psychopath. It

2139
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 2: hurts to watch, and that's kind of the point. But

2140
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: I still respect the decision For those who feel like

2141
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 2: it went too far, that's it. That's all. Love the show,

2142
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 2: Thanks Marcus, thank you, and yeah, man, Like that's the thing.

2143
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to get lost in all this. I

2144
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 2: still respect people that tap out. I just really hope

2145
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 2: they tap out and don't come back.

2146
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,799
Speaker 4: That's it. I don't want to have like this debate

2147
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 4: every week.

2148
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 3: I don't like every time a rape happens, we got

2149
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 3: to go.

2150
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 2: It was like, why right, you know, are you done

2151
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 2: watching Game of Throngs? Yes, this broke me, I quit

2152
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 2: the show. No, I'll be back next week. And I

2153
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 2: don't watch the show anyways. Thirty three percent of our

2154
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 2: audience doesn't watch the show anyway, so let's not even

2155
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 2: count them, right, But then we have a three percent

2156
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 2: that says, yes, this broke me, I quit the show.

2157
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 2: Sixty five percent said no, I'll be back next week.

2158
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Speaker 2: First of all, I like to appreciate the honesty everybody

2159
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 2: that wrote in, because you know that you know, it

2160
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 2: definitely affected people. When you balance out for the people

2161
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 2: that don't watch the show, four percent of the people

2162
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 2: that watch it and took the posts at basically, they're

2163
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 2: not gonna be back. Prince Lawron says, this episode broke me,

2164
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 2: but I'm still going back. I was completely wrong about

2165
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,240
Speaker 2: them boatons. I was legitimately shocked when Ruse talked about

2166
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: raping Ramsey's mom the week before.

2167
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 4: I thought they were just playing niggas. I didn't know

2168
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 4: they were.

2169
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 3: I thought they were cutting them open.

2170
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 4: I thought they were just playing niggas. The fact that

2171
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 4: you could say that as if like.

2172
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 2: Why would they be in a rate like shit, we're

2173
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 2: just cutting them open, Like they're just like yeah, they were.

2174
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 4: Just cutting people and skinning them and hanging them off

2175
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 4: the cross.

2176
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 3: But I thought they were just barbecuing people. What's happening here?

2177
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 4: The savagery and brutality.

2178
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 2: I mean one of these guys, Fred Moore, Right, either way,

2179
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 2: I still thought, let's see, I didn't know they were

2180
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 2: like that. Even hearing that from Rus, I still thought

2181
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,599
Speaker 2: Ramsey was different. Most of the shit he has done

2182
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 2: has been crazy with rape for some next level shit.

2183
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 2: The thing that he cut off theons dick and said

2184
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 2: he was going to feed.

2185
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 5: It to him.

2186
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 3: He didn't how crazy it was.

2187
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 2: Come on, man, come on dog like it's if anything,

2188
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have made sense for him not to be

2189
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:20,360
Speaker 2: a piece of shit rapist. Like honestly, if he would

2190
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 2: have just went like, I'm gonna make sweet love to

2191
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:22,759
Speaker 2: you girl, I would.

2192
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 4: Be like, the fuck is this?

2193
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 2: If?

2194
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,960
Speaker 4: What's the long playing in? Is he gonna flare her in.

2195
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 3: The morning her head somewhere? What's happening right?

2196
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 2: Like It's like, yeah, it's like the bed made of

2197
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 2: her family, Like what is the like this dude is

2198
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 2: evil the Wolves. The thing that upsets me the most

2199
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 2: is I still want them niggas to win the Game

2200
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 2: of Throngs. I think the main reason I've envisioned most

2201
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 2: characters I hate being played and they the only dudes

2202
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,560
Speaker 2: that do it. So you still want the Boltons to

2203
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 2: win after this? Okay, the only thing I can do

2204
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 2: is not party if they defeat. If they defeat, standings

2205
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 2: to celebrate in silence. Yeah, yeah, well you do hit

2206
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 2: people in the balls, right, says hey Rod hate care waving.

2207
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:04,759
Speaker 2: The end of this episode left me hugging my pillow,

2208
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 2: rocking back and forth for a while, but I would

2209
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 2: definitely be back for next week's episode. I've been watching

2210
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Game of Throne since day one. I knew exactly what

2211
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 2: Tom it was when SAMs and Ready Sansy and Ramsey

2212
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 2: after the wedding. Watching that scene was a lot, but

2213
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 2: completely allowed with the show. Yeah, the show. Yeah. I've

2214
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 2: been thinking that shit was gonna happen to her for years,

2215
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 2: so I'm actually kind of surprised it took this long.

2216
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 2: Doug Durant from Facebook says, Hey, Rod, Haye care, how

2217
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 2: how doing, sweetie? I'm putting that part for you. Yes, Hey,

2218
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 2: I watched Game of Thrones last week. I was shocked

2219
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 2: and really saddened for Sansa at the end of the show.

2220
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 2: Two things One I never thought I care about says

2221
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 2: after she stumbled her way through west Rolls. But after that,

2222
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 2: what seemed like her getting her shit together with the

2223
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 2: help of Lord Baylish and growing up. I caught feelings

2224
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:54,640
Speaker 2: for Yeah, the writers managed to make her three dimension on.

2225
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 2: I think that's why quote unquote hurt so much to

2226
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 2: see her getting raped by that psycho say.

2227
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 4: This, Yeah, that is good writing. I don't know what

2228
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:02,680
Speaker 4: to tell you.

2229
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 2: I also had the I hope she died burning hell,

2230
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 2: she's a piece of shit and she got a family care.

2231
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 2: And then at some point I started being like, and

2232
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 2: I knew, you know, the other difference between me and

2233
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:16,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people.

2234
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 4: To watch these shows.

2235
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 2: I watched the show expecting the worst shit to happen,

2236
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 2: So like, as soon as I started liking her, I

2237
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 2: was like, what are they gonna do to hers?

2238
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 4: What are they gonna do to her? All the people

2239
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 4: I like get fucked up on this show?

2240
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 3: You know?

2241
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,719
Speaker 2: And I still think worstship is coming for like Brian,

2242
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 2: because I like the hell out of her. John Snow,

2243
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 2: come on, man, that niggas gonna get something terrible gonna happen.

2244
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 2: In hell, when I started liking Jamie, you know, it

2245
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 2: got his hand cut off?

2246
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 3: Like what it is? What it is?

2247
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 2: At this point?

2248
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 3: Man?

2249
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 4: You know they eat like the show Evil. It's like

2250
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,800
Speaker 4: I tuned into Evil weekly and they was still doing Evil.

2251
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 2: Shit.

2252
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:55,679
Speaker 4: Can you believe that the fuck is wrong with these people?

2253
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 2: They're sick? The writers manage to make Oh yeah, so

2254
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that that motherfucker to die. That

2255
01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 2: being said, the scene does make me wonder was actually

2256
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 2: going on in the ahead of the writers and runners

2257
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 2: of the show, not just because of the rape, but

2258
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 2: because her rape scene seemed in the story to be

2259
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 2: chiefly about torture and Reek in a new way. But

2260
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, isn't it part for the

2261
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: course that Ramsey would want Reek to be tortured? More like,

2262
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 2: what about his character makes you think that? I mean

2263
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:26,840
Speaker 2: he gets off on cause and pain to other people.

2264
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 2: To him that was like a bonus, Like yes, and Reek,

2265
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 2: I have a feeling that Bennieoff and Weiss are dudes

2266
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,679
Speaker 2: that I really don't want to know In my real life.

2267
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'll be watching too much good in the show. Well,

2268
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 2: if you'll keep watching it, I feel like, uh, you know,

2269
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of tasking approval, guys, take it easy, love love,

2270
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 2: love you guys and the Blackout Tess podcast in all

2271
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 2: this many forms.

2272
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening, Doug. You but I'm gonna keep it

2273
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 4: real with you, dog.

2274
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 2: I honestly feel like people just that about us, Like

2275
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 2: when we make jokes about like we'll have an article

2276
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,479
Speaker 2: where's like and this person raped the baby, and then

2277
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 2: we'll make a joke about it. I mean, we don't

2278
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 2: actually like go, we wouldn't go to that funeral and

2279
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,639
Speaker 2: make that joke. But you know, I'm sure there's people

2280
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 2: that are like I couldn't hang out with them. They

2281
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 2: must be evil, Like okay, ha ha ha, that's what

2282
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 2: you think, you know, all right? And uh and the

2283
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 2: stuff on our show actually really happens, guys, it's not right, Yeah,

2284
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,679
Speaker 2: like they actually have they can hide behind the fact

2285
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 2: that this fiction.

2286
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 4: We actually find these articles on last.

2287
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,799
Speaker 3: Right, they got writers. You know, these are not writers.

2288
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 2: These are just people to just do CAPA. Donna says,

2289
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 2: I think Game of Thrones final scene was brilliant. It

2290
01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:41,920
Speaker 2: was meant to shock and upset people, and the show's

2291
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 2: the incredible talent of the show runners, George Martin and

2292
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:44,759
Speaker 2: the actors.

2293
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 4: If you weren't bothered by watching.

2294
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,800
Speaker 2: A sweet young girl being brutally raped on her wedding night,

2295
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 2: you're probably Bill Cosey.

2296
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 4: That's that said.

2297
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 2: Could have a few choice words for folks who are

2298
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 2: done with the show because says it was rape. This

2299
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: is the show that dedicated half a season of Castraight

2300
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 2: and the Man, a pregnant woman getting stabbed in the on,

2301
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 2: a man getting his head crushed, a kid getting tossed

2302
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:05,679
Speaker 2: from a window after witness freaking incests, and the entire

2303
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 2: Winter College dedicated to rape.

2304
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:08,640
Speaker 3: Right.

2305
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 4: Do you know what else is funny?

2306
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people keep bringing up Crashes, keyp You

2307
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,200
Speaker 2: do realize the whole thing at Crashes Keep was raped, right,

2308
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 2: not just the crows him. It was kind of why

2309
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: that place was terrible. Remember, those babies are his babies

2310
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 2: that he had with his daughters, and he gives the

2311
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 2: son sons away. Maybe I'm crazy, I don't know, Maybe

2312
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 2: maybe I'll think I'm watching the different y'all. Really, what

2313
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,640
Speaker 2: show do y'all think y'all watching man all right?

2314
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 4: Anyway? Uh he winn' is a man? Okay?

2315
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 2: And did did we mentioned the coolest character on the

2316
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:49,519
Speaker 2: show is a goddamn pimp?

2317
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:51,200
Speaker 4: This sents you over the ash.

2318
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 2: Come on, son, first of all, little fingers, not the

2319
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 2: coolest show on the person on the show. Calm your

2320
01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 2: calm to him with that. Uh look, the show is jarring.

2321
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 2: But we've been in this song of firing ice game

2322
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 2: long enough to know this world is just horrible for

2323
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 2: people who isn't as devious.

2324
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:10,799
Speaker 4: Rich, straight white guy kind of like America.

2325
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 2: Even said, devious, rich white guys don't get gotten Game

2326
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 2: of Thrones unlike America. The fact that this level of

2327
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 2: blaque torture porn keyslos all coming back for more shows,

2328
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 2: just how good damn good the show truly is.

2329
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:24,680
Speaker 4: Hugh, That's it.

2330
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm a little passionate about them Thrones, Kappa

2331
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 2: Olivia got girl film on the score. Squad I says,

2332
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 2: I have almost quit the show so many times because

2333
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,799
Speaker 2: of my least favorite things to watch a rape and torture.

2334
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 2: So what I asked myself? Am I going to watch?

2335
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 2: What am I doing watching this show?

2336
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 4: Earlier in this week. I was sure I would not

2337
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 4: watch anymore, but I think I actually will.

2338
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 2: My new rule is to be totally spoiled before every

2339
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 2: episode at making the individual determination about whether I want

2340
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 2: to watch what it is about reading is easier to

2341
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 2: take it to take than watching images for me. So

2342
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm caught up on hashtag them Thrones, Twitter and several recasts,

2343
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 2: but I'm skipping this episode. Also, I am the only

2344
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm the one who started the hashtag rape plots, but

2345
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 2: I did it mostly to talk about when rapists portrayed

2346
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 2: well and when it's lazy like Jon though mad Men

2347
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 2: worked for me because it told us something about her,

2348
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 2: her relationship, and her world during her time. On the

2349
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 2: other hand, I thought Melly plot on Scandal was done

2350
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 2: badly done. On Game of Thrones, we already know, sir,

2351
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 2: She's was badly done. But it may be that census

2352
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 2: rape was not only inevitable but also essential to a story.

2353
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 2: Not sure yet. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, like

2354
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 2: all hashtags, if you started, you never know where it's

2355
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:39,560
Speaker 2: gonna end up, Like it's not really your responsibility to

2356
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 2: rain that shit in or whatever. But I do understand

2357
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 2: kind of wanting to be like all right, that's not

2358
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 2: what I started it about, because by the end, it's

2359
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:49,600
Speaker 2: just like, now it's just people being like and so

2360
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,120
Speaker 2: and so was raped in real life hashtag rate plot.

2361
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 2: You're like, wait a minute, how did this get in here?

2362
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 3: Right?

2363
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,600
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, man, Like I said, I feel like

2364
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,599
Speaker 2: there's a small subf said of people that actually are

2365
01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 2: having like trigger issues with it, and I don't have

2366
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 2: anything to say to those people. I'm more surprised that

2367
01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 2: they have watched this much and that it was this

2368
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 2: one that did them in. And I, you know, I

2369
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 2: don't even get into oh wait, no.

2370
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:18,679
Speaker 4: It's our show.

2371
01:49:18,680 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 2: We can get into it.

2372
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 4: I think soon the people were only triggered because of

2373
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:22,799
Speaker 4: what Sanza.

2374
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 2: I agree, and that the feelings that they've developed for

2375
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,320
Speaker 2: that character over the show, and maybe even feelings they've

2376
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 2: identified with for her over the show of course of

2377
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 2: the show. You know, I don't think it's any coincidence

2378
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:37,040
Speaker 2: that you know, uh, these things weren't really brought up

2379
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:37,519
Speaker 2: for other.

2380
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 4: Characters at some point but her.

2381
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. But at the end of the day, there's a

2382
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 2: whole lot of reasons mixing and matching into this giant

2383
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 2: thing that we're experiencing and I feel like people are

2384
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 2: just gonna at this point either have to deal with

2385
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 2: it or walk away.

2386
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 4: I just don't really feel like having this argument over

2387
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:57,759
Speaker 4: and over again.

2388
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:00,599
Speaker 3: Because there's gonna be other rapes on on this show.

2389
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 2: This is gonna be other terrible shit. They're terrible, you

2390
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 2: know That's what it is, all right, man? We had

2391
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 2: some voicemails. Let's get into the house ladies real quick

2392
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 2: for everybody.

2393
01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 7: Oh's so this is Dad.

2394
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2395
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 7: I grew up Christian, but I wound up becoming an atheist,

2396
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 7: but just came out as an atheist because over time

2397
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 7: I just had to admit to myself, I can't sit

2398
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 7: here the king and I believe in this shit and

2399
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 7: questions I had that people sit there and got frustrated

2400
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:34,719
Speaker 7: with me about like why does all this shit sound similar?

2401
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:38,639
Speaker 7: Like Greek gods and Egyptian gods and all these other

2402
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 7: religions kind of have similar shit. Nobody else noticed this

2403
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 7: ship sounds the same. They have to be quiet and crazy.

2404
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 7: Somehow somebody in work who's a nationhood is long member

2405
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,120
Speaker 7: and it is I really shouldn't say the ship at work,

2406
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 7: but he got it out of me. He asked me,

2407
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 7: you know what did I believe. I told him, I

2408
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 7: I'm trying to debate anybody, be like, yeah, I just know,

2409
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 7: I'm just thribe me in the religion. Then he tried

2410
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 7: to turn around and turn it into a debate all

2411
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 7: some ship like they he never thought about this, which

2412
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 7: is I hate the mafucker do that shit like everybody

2413
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,679
Speaker 7: who's atheists don't describe the yellow religion just hadn't really

2414
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 7: thought about it. No, I thought about this ship for

2415
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:18,320
Speaker 7: you is And I had to tell him that ship

2416
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 7: and it's insult in this offense, implied you never really

2417
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 7: given it much thought. And the sit he gave me

2418
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 7: some hypothesis, Uh, you have to think about it. The

2419
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 7: reason why our sales come out the way they do

2420
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 7: and formed people the way they formed people is because

2421
01:51:35,560 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 7: they know to do that. So what gave them that

2422
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 7: knowledge to make the arm and the body of the

2423
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 7: red It's like, have you ever heard of cancer? Have

2424
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 7: you ever heard of tunism? Ship like this? But well

2425
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 7: that's because of sin and oh yeah, and I had

2426
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:53,240
Speaker 7: to stop it. I wait, wait a minute, even that

2427
01:51:53,439 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 7: intelligent design And he looked at me, he gave me

2428
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 7: it's looked like I wasn't supposed to know what that was,

2429
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 7: which is kind of high to me. How some religious

2430
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 7: people try to they prey on the less intelligence and

2431
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 7: they really try to appeal to your emotions. I was

2432
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:12,800
Speaker 7: looking for more effects. You tell me the something comes up,

2433
01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,639
Speaker 7: and let's proof that God exists. If that's proof enough

2434
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 7: to say that God exists, I can say, moveen. Did

2435
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 7: this ship? All right?

2436
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 4: All right?

2437
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 3: Dad? Yeah?

2438
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean it is what it is.

2439
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 3: Man.

2440
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 2: Religion is kind of like a thing that people tell

2441
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:32,639
Speaker 2: themselves to keep, you know, all the negative things away.

2442
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 2: So it's like, can you really get mad at the

2443
01:52:38,360 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 2: at them for having those beliefs when like I only

2444
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 2: get mad at people for having beliefs like that if

2445
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 2: they hurt somebody else. Like, So, if it's I don't

2446
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to marriage equality. I don't

2447
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 2: think interracial relationships are okay. I don't think you should

2448
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:56,800
Speaker 2: be able to be be pro choice. I don't like

2449
01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 2: That's when I'm like, okay, I like this ship, Like

2450
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 2: you have to let it go because it's not everybody

2451
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: believes the same thing, right, But if it's just you know,

2452
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 2: I need to believe in this so that I can feel, like,

2453
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, in a world where cancer and rape and

2454
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 2: children dying and plain accident in a random world. I

2455
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 2: need to make sense of this. I don't begrudge those

2456
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:26,680
Speaker 2: people at all, you know, And you know, there's some

2457
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 2: people that I think people consider very intelligent that that

2458
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,160
Speaker 2: are religious. So you know, I don't think it's even

2459
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,120
Speaker 2: just about praying on the stupid and shit like that,

2460
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, honestly, but I just think it's they have

2461
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 2: emotional responses because religion and faith is an emotional thing,

2462
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 2: and everybody gets emotional. We can think about death next words,

2463
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 2: mail or care. Did you want to add anything?

2464
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, hey, Ryan, Karen Jada. I just wanted to

2465
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:04,720
Speaker 9: make a comment about the clinical psychologists. Actually it is

2466
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:09,679
Speaker 9: that article was just unnerving to me, but also scary.

2467
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 9: Scary and the fact that this is a professionally trained

2468
01:54:14,479 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 9: woman who is giving people and helping people with you know,

2469
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 9: giving mental advice and therapy, and this is her outlook

2470
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:28,559
Speaker 9: on domestic violence. I mean, it doesn't even make any sense.

2471
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 9: I understand what she's saying, to a point of if

2472
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 9: you're dealing with a logical person that you know, if

2473
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 9: somebody does a certain behavior to you that you don't like,

2474
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 9: if you do kind of just let it go all

2475
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 9: the time.

2476
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 2: Then you know.

2477
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 9: They would continue to do it, like you know, in

2478
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 9: the sense of how they say, like people.

2479
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 7: Treat you the way that you allow them to treat you.

2480
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 9: But in the case of domestic violence, those men are

2481
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 9: going to hit women no matter what, like and so

2482
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,520
Speaker 9: and even over they might not even quote unquote be upset,

2483
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:07,880
Speaker 9: but they'll just you know, go off like all of

2484
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:11,560
Speaker 9: a sudden. So it's just like, to me, that's just ridiculous.

2485
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 9: If anything, I felt that if you did raise up

2486
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 9: to them, as she says to me, it would just

2487
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 9: escalate that much quicker and then you probably just get

2488
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 9: hit you know, faster, or you know whatever, because if

2489
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 9: he is a man, who is the type of person

2490
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:29,600
Speaker 9: to hit a woman, So that just baffles my mind

2491
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 9: that her solution is, hey, let's get girls in sports.

2492
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 9: I mean, I will say that we do need to

2493
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 9: train women or teach them that before it even happens,

2494
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:47,520
Speaker 9: that you know, a certain type of relationship is not okay,

2495
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:51,080
Speaker 9: and that if you to give people the strength enough

2496
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 9: to you know, recognize an abusive relationship and maybe even

2497
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 9: recognize the science before he even elevates to physical violence. Right,

2498
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:01,080
Speaker 9: and so to have that confidence yourself to know that

2499
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 9: this is not okay, I deserve better. Let me get out,

2500
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 9: you know, before it happens. But the point to be like,

2501
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 9: because you didn't correct him, that now it's your fault

2502
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 9: that he just keeps escalating until he hits you.

2503
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 10: Like, that's just.

2504
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 9: That's just unthinkable, I mean to me, and I'm just

2505
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:24,879
Speaker 9: very surprised that she didn't adjust any of the factors

2506
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 9: of what even makes a man or I mean, there

2507
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 9: are some you know, violent women too. What makes any

2508
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 9: type of individual feel the need to be to be violent?

2509
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 9: I mean, if anything, she needs to address that. Usually

2510
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 9: people who are very controlling an abusive relationships have extreme

2511
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:47,320
Speaker 9: insecurity and the reason that they abuse their partners is

2512
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 9: because they're so afraid of losing them. Because they're so insecure,

2513
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 9: you know that they feel like they have the only

2514
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 9: way they can keep them is to control them, and

2515
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 9: they feel like, you know, have them not anything that

2516
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,720
Speaker 9: not worth anything, you know, they're crap, And for them

2517
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:06,320
Speaker 9: to be fearful of them, I mean, it's just I

2518
01:57:06,360 --> 01:57:08,440
Speaker 9: don't know that's that. I mean, like I said, the

2519
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,040
Speaker 9: only thing is that it just makes me scared that

2520
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 9: article is that she's a clinical psychology he's a trained professional.

2521
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 9: This is just just some random person on Helpington's post

2522
01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 9: who's writing some type of you know, crazy thing piece.

2523
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 9: So that makes me really scared for what's going on

2524
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:30,080
Speaker 9: with the mental health in the training in our society.

2525
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 9: But anyway, guys, so I love the show and looking

2526
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 9: forward to hearing the feedback.

2527
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 2: All right, yeah that lady was scared.

2528
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 7: M h my god.

2529
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 2: I don't have anything to add.

2530
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 4: Well, I will add this.

2531
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 2: One element that people aren't really considering is all these

2532
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 2: people grew up in homes where they solveuse relationships, and

2533
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 2: they really just think this is how relationships are, right,

2534
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 2: So it's.

2535
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 3: You know, and if you don't beat them, something's wrong

2536
01:57:57,000 --> 01:57:58,920
Speaker 3: with you, right, Like you might even have.

2537
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 4: To go further than just wrecks and the signs.

2538
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of people just one of

2539
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 2: the reasons I think a lot of people get sucked

2540
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 2: up is because they don't want to admit the way

2541
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,800
Speaker 2: they raised and the things they saw in the household wrong. Right,

2542
01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 2: So it's almost like, look, I'm just gonna keep living

2543
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 2: this way.

2544
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 10: Next mail, Hey guys, O collin On, Yeah, Hey, how

2545
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 10: you doing uh, you don't just want to let everybody

2546
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:27,280
Speaker 10: know what's up.

2547
01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 5: Hasn't been around a while, but doing uh great at

2548
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 5: my job lately. Become a shop steward, which is like

2549
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:39,880
Speaker 5: a union rep for my guys, and uh, you know,

2550
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 5: there's there's days where it's pretty dark where I'm working

2551
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 5: by I take inspiration from everything I've learned from the

2552
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 5: black Eyed Tips and you know, uh I Twitter and

2553
01:58:50,680 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 5: all that stuff, and like it's really helpful for me

2554
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 5: to not lose hope, uh, dealing with prevised white guys

2555
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:00,440
Speaker 5: that don't want to like stand up for themselves and

2556
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 5: I'm able to you know, inspire them and and get

2557
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 5: other stuff done. And I got a position to power

2558
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 5: right now in the job where it's like the biggest

2559
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 5: job in Halifax. Halifax are going to see in a

2560
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:16,400
Speaker 5: really long time. We're building this, uh shipyard for these

2561
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 5: military boats. Is this gigantic buildings. It's fucking cool, man,

2562
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 5: I've been around lately. But I just want to say, like,

2563
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 5: I owe you guys so much for show me. Uh

2564
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 5: uh just another way of looking at the world that

2565
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 5: it's so useful in not losing my ship, dealing with

2566
01:59:34,760 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 5: industrial situations and and uh really really really white people.

2567
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 10: So thank you so much, guys.

2568
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:43,560
Speaker 5: Love you make it easy.

2569
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you very much. Been a while, but glad

2570
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 4: everything is going well.

2571
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 3: Man, glad you glad you a working man?

2572
01:59:55,440 --> 02:00:02,920
Speaker 8: Yes, sir calls all right next, Hey guys, happy Saturday.

2573
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 2: This is you.

2574
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:06,360
Speaker 8: Ain't got the answer. I'm calling from work and I

2575
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 8: just wanted to squeeze this in before you guys actually

2576
02:00:10,440 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 8: did to see that show. But on the show where

2577
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 8: you guys did a whole lot of fucking with black people.

2578
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 8: I just want to give a huge shout out to

2579
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 8: Rod for that because you said everything I've been trying

2580
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 8: to say. And when you said that's the only time

2581
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,200
Speaker 8: you give a motherfucking fuck.

2582
02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:32,840
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, you love all of it. He's

2583
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and it's just refreshing to see or hear

2584
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:41,920
Speaker 1: a black man totally getting all of it together and

2585
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Speaker 1: being able to articulate it properly. So shout out to you,

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02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:49,360
Speaker 1: Shout out to Karen because whatever you made or whatever

2587
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Speaker 1: you put it in here, drink from the whole show

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Speaker 1: up and I will be on here for it. I

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02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:57,680
Speaker 1: saved it. I listened to it over and over throughout

2590
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Speaker 1: the week, and thank you for you guys. I appreciate you,

2591
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 1: and I hope you have a great show. I'll be

2592
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:07,800
Speaker 1: tuning in today some more again, so thanks again, thanks

2593
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:10,040
Speaker 1: for the last have a great one.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you ain't got the answers that I appreciate it

2595
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 2: sweed and uh, I forget what was in that drink,

2596
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:22,320
Speaker 2: but it was alcohol. Finally we got the emails. I'm

2597
02:01:22,360 --> 02:01:23,560
Speaker 2: not gonna open up the phone lines a.

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Speaker 3: Day or yeahs got trick out a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit sans of Gate.

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Speaker 2: This is from Ray so Hey, Rod and Karen all

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02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 2: writing this mostly because it's someone who reads the fantasy genre,

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02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:37,160
Speaker 2: especially type of high fantasy that Game of Thrones existing.

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Speaker 4: I just have to get this off my chest. I

2604
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,600
Speaker 4: know you two don't read the books, and this is

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02:01:41,640 --> 02:01:43,000
Speaker 4: going to have no spoilers.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. But the genre in general features

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02:01:45,680 --> 02:01:47,280
Speaker 2: a lot of rape and a lot of truly horrible

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Speaker 2: instances of violence against women, since that is the focus

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Speaker 2: of the Censor seed, and in many ways I find

2610
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Speaker 2: that this is just a little odd that the Sensor

2611
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 2: incident is where everybody got truly touchy. Now, I'm not

2612
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,440
Speaker 2: shitting on anyone that reads the genre or even saying

2613
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 2: the genre is wrong, but I feel there is something

2614
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 2: weird when people are perfectly willing to accept it in

2615
02:02:05,320 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 2: the books but not in the show. Now, I'm not saying,

2616
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:09,840
Speaker 2: don't call out the show, but more importantly, don't act

2617
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 2: like it didn't happen in the book.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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02:02:11,720 --> 02:02:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what a lot of people's reaction has been.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't read the book, so I

2621
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 2: can't I didn't have that reaction, but maybe if I

2622
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:20,400
Speaker 2: did read the books, I would feel more.

2623
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Speaker 4: Like, well, what the fuck were you expecting?

2624
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,720
Speaker 2: You know? Now, I respect that people don't like this

2625
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 2: as a plot device, but if you are adapting from

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02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,880
Speaker 2: a story that uses as a plot device, then naturally

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02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:33,040
Speaker 2: the writers will make a choice on whether they want

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02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 2: to use it. I know that you mentioned the scene

2629
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 2: in The Walk and Dead and how the showrunners made.

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Speaker 4: A different choice.

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02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:40,840
Speaker 2: I feel that either choice the writer makes with such

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02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:42,800
Speaker 2: a plot line really shouldn't really come in such a

2633
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,680
Speaker 2: shocking surprise, especially to the point that this scene with

2634
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 2: Sanza is taking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I don't under like I don't get

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02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 4: the shock.

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02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 2: Of it necessarily. Some people have said, well, singing is

2638
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 2: different than reading for them. Some people have just said

2639
02:02:59,120 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 2: that they're tired of it, I guess, but I don't know.

2640
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 2: For me, I do see a different level of upset

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02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 2: over this songs of Shit than there was about any

2642
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 2: other time that just brought up correct and it does

2643
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 2: make you wonder why. And to me, it's almost a

2644
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 2: credit to the show because they made her sympathetic enough

2645
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 2: character for you to root against all the common logic

2646
02:03:19,600 --> 02:03:22,400
Speaker 2: that says this is going to happen. I know that

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02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 2: this is the first time I've written, but I'm a

2648
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:27,320
Speaker 2: listener in Japan. I guess this is the only one

2649
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:31,040
Speaker 2: I felt I could write in about without dissolving into

2650
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 2: incomprehensible incomprehensible gibberish. And I like to say that I

2651
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 2: enjoyed the massive amounts of content because I love listening

2652
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:39,600
Speaker 2: to other points of view about it and also lovely

2653
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 2: reminders of home.

2654
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:41,960
Speaker 4: I'm a Southern girl at heart.

2655
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 2: And Tokyo just has nothing of the on the loveliness

2656
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:48,480
Speaker 2: of Southern accents and black perspectives. Peace of love from Japan. Ray,

2657
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:52,840
Speaker 2: Thanks Ray, thank you for writing. Then let's see the

2658
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 2: women on Game of Throne by Jojo. First off, first,

2659
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Speaker 2: I would like to say I love your podcast and

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02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 2: your last Them Thrones episode, you talked about the outrage

2661
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Speaker 2: people felt overstats is rape. I think the reason why

2662
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 2: people have had enough is because they really only rape

2663
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,800
Speaker 2: or threatened to women on this show. I think Theon

2664
02:04:09,120 --> 02:04:12,600
Speaker 2: is one of the only male character that has almost

2665
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 2: been raped. But for the most part, men don't even

2666
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,520
Speaker 2: get pretend get threatened with it. How can you have

2667
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:22,360
Speaker 2: this brutal world but the rape of men is basically

2668
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:26,840
Speaker 2: non existent? Yeah, I guess you can make that out

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02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:29,960
Speaker 2: of the point. I mean, I would say much like

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02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:32,680
Speaker 2: the real world, the rape of men is pretty much

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02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:36,600
Speaker 2: glossed over and non existent as far as public discourse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it does happen, but yeah, it's not.

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02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,200
Speaker 2: The only time it's really talked about is if someone's

2674
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:46,280
Speaker 2: like in prison or some shit or you know, things

2675
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 2: of that nature. But like, men do get raped, I'm assuming,

2676
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:54,640
Speaker 2: especially when their kids, like boys, in a more vulnerable state.

2677
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:58,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're you know, much like the show Doubt

2678
02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 2: society would talk about it, and you know, the show

2679
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:01,480
Speaker 2: kind of reflects that.

2680
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 4: That being said, you know, who knows where they're going next?

2681
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:07,280
Speaker 2: Maybe, you know, I think when they had like a

2682
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 2: show like Odds, you have men getting raped because the

2683
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:12,400
Speaker 2: assumption is that's that it happens a lot in prison.

2684
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,800
Speaker 2: So I think it would just depend. I understand that

2685
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,200
Speaker 2: women get raped more than men, but back in those days,

2686
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:20,560
Speaker 2: wartime rate was not uncommon, and they did not just

2687
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:24,560
Speaker 2: target women. I think there might be well, let's be honest,

2688
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 2: there's no back in them days. These days do not exist.

2689
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 2: They're never with dragons.

2690
02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:31,200
Speaker 4: Okay ah, But I do get your point. I do

2691
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:31,760
Speaker 4: take your point.

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02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,120
Speaker 2: I think there might be a reason why rapists only

2693
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:36,320
Speaker 2: used the two towards women. I think the show might

2694
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:38,760
Speaker 2: be catering to a male audience. I think they feel

2695
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,160
Speaker 2: that men don't want to see other men getting raped. No,

2696
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:43,880
Speaker 2: that's not no, here's why I got to pull back

2697
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:47,320
Speaker 2: on that. Men don't want to see men having consensual sex.

2698
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to see two men laid up in

2699
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:51,760
Speaker 2: the bed together, kissing on each other, running their fingers

2700
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 2: on each other thighs, and talking about the color of

2701
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 2: a birthmark next to their dick.

2702
02:05:55,960 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 3: But they do that.

2703
02:05:57,640 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 4: They do it all the time.

2704
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:02,480
Speaker 2: So it's like, I don't think it's just about they

2705
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 2: just want men that watch this to be pleased with

2706
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:09,000
Speaker 2: seeing rape. Like I don't even think that's it, you know,

2707
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 2: I really don't, cause if that was, if it was

2708
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 2: just bro time every week, we it'd.

2709
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,360
Speaker 3: Be like Entourage, right, and I wouldn't watch that ship.

2710
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2711
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:18,880
Speaker 4: I think a lot of women enjoy this show, you know,

2712
02:06:19,240 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 4: And I don't think it's just about that.

2713
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the freaking press was was was fucking everything

2714
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:23,800
Speaker 3: it was.

2715
02:06:25,720 --> 02:06:27,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that because men don't even want

2716
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:30,920
Speaker 2: to see fucking Michael Sam kiss his boyfriend during the draft.

2717
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:34,040
Speaker 4: So like, I don't think it's just oh, they're just

2718
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:36,040
Speaker 4: that's serving the audience. I don't think that's what it is.

2719
02:06:36,160 --> 02:06:36,720
Speaker 2: In my opinion.

2720
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:40,320
Speaker 4: I think there might be a reason why I was.

2721
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,440
Speaker 2: I think they because that's the other thing is there's

2722
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:46,880
Speaker 2: an implication that men want to see these rapes, you know,

2723
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:50,040
Speaker 2: or that anybody wants to see like of all, like

2724
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:53,880
Speaker 2: when you tune into a TV show and you're like, oh,

2725
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:56,640
Speaker 2: might get to see some tittes. You're really hoping for

2726
02:06:56,720 --> 02:07:00,440
Speaker 2: True Detective Season one, episode three tittes, Okay, ha ha,

2727
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:03,120
Speaker 2: Like you're not hoping for like I hope I get

2728
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:06,520
Speaker 2: to see some rape titties. You know, maybe somebody is,

2729
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:09,160
Speaker 2: but not enough people to base a whole fucking scene

2730
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:12,640
Speaker 2: and audience and show around. Uh if one thing about

2731
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 2: the show that I've always thought was kind of kind

2732
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 2: of interesting was a lot of these scenes like they

2733
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:26,080
Speaker 2: don't actually show uh stuff, but when they do show it,

2734
02:07:26,640 --> 02:07:27,520
Speaker 2: it's not sensual.

2735
02:07:27,680 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 4: It's not sexual and good.

2736
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:34,000
Speaker 2: Like you know when they show the crashers keep stuff

2737
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:37,200
Speaker 2: where they were raping those girls, there's nothing sexy about that.

2738
02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:38,760
Speaker 4: You weren't like, look at them titties.

2739
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:41,360
Speaker 2: You were like, look at these savages, right, you know,

2740
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 2: like they were like they deseexifyed a lot of stuff

2741
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:47,440
Speaker 2: that you know in other folklore. When it comes to

2742
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:50,720
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, it's very sexy. Uh, you know

2743
02:07:51,080 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 2: when they had Jamie walking around looking dirty for a

2744
02:07:53,400 --> 02:07:56,200
Speaker 2: year and a half and you know, they just do

2745
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,040
Speaker 2: a good job with that kind of stuff in my opinion,

2746
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:00,480
Speaker 2: because it's very hard to de sexualize any thing because

2747
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:03,120
Speaker 2: we're all kind of sex brained. Like I saw some

2748
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 2: titti is and like that's it. But but this is

2749
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:08,440
Speaker 2: like you might see some titties, but you're gonna also

2750
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 2: see this man ass.

2751
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:10,280
Speaker 4: How about that?

2752
02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I didn't even expecting all this.

2753
02:08:12,800 --> 02:08:14,640
Speaker 4: You balanced it out anyway.

2754
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 2: I think that they feel that men the men, that

2755
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:19,880
Speaker 2: men don't want to see other men being right, so

2756
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 2: they decide to avoid it. Or they might feel like

2757
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:24,400
Speaker 2: rapist something that only affects women, which is not true,

2758
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:24,880
Speaker 2: but we don't.

2759
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:26,960
Speaker 3: But I guess my my pushback to that is that

2760
02:08:27,800 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 3: they haven't finished telling the stories, so maybe who.

2761
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:31,840
Speaker 4: Will see it?

2762
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 2: Right?

2763
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:33,920
Speaker 4: I really like the show.

2764
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 2: I still I will not stop watching unless they pull

2765
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:38,600
Speaker 2: a Circe Jamie again. Even then I might give them

2766
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:40,800
Speaker 2: another chance, even with the flaws of the show is

2767
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:41,560
Speaker 2: so damn good.

2768
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 4: Ps.

2769
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:44,600
Speaker 2: There's a reason why John Snow and Danny Ak the

2770
02:08:44,680 --> 02:08:47,280
Speaker 2: Mother Dragons keep making bad decisions. It is their age.

2771
02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:50,760
Speaker 2: They are both between thirteen through sixteen in the books. Well,

2772
02:08:50,920 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 2: I don't read the books, so I don't care what

2773
02:08:54,400 --> 02:08:56,360
Speaker 2: age they are in the books. Them niggas grown as

2774
02:08:56,400 --> 02:09:01,040
Speaker 2: fuck in real life, and they making bad decisions. It's

2775
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:03,400
Speaker 2: the show age that I care about. Y'all can keep

2776
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 2: the bookshit to yourself. I think Danny's age is twenty

2777
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:07,800
Speaker 2: on the show, which is still young. And try not

2778
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:09,360
Speaker 2: to go too hard on them because I know they

2779
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:11,920
Speaker 2: might look older in the show for legal reasons, but

2780
02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 2: their action are still the actions of teenagers. Even old

2781
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 2: Danny was kind of rash and made a decisions like

2782
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 2: a teenager.

2783
02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 4: But they work.

2784
02:09:19,400 --> 02:09:22,360
Speaker 2: Also, do you know anything about gamer throng theories? I don't,

2785
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:24,400
Speaker 2: and I don't want you to write about them. All right,

2786
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 2: thanks next, Yvonne says what Eve says? Dear Rod and

2787
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:34,840
Speaker 2: Karen feedback, Episode nine to fifty four, Sansa Gate. I

2788
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:37,560
Speaker 2: writing a comment on Sansa Gate. While I was disgusted

2789
02:09:37,600 --> 02:09:40,080
Speaker 2: by the final scene between Ramsey and Sansa, it wasn't

2790
02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:41,800
Speaker 2: enough to make me tap out, considering this show of

2791
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,400
Speaker 2: showing babies being killed, people mutilated, and a pregnant woman's

2792
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:46,920
Speaker 2: stabbing Peely in the stomach. This scene part for the

2793
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:49,480
Speaker 2: chorus Game of Thrones, the brutal show where people with

2794
02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:53,800
Speaker 2: too much with integrity seene to die tragically quite to me,

2795
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:57,040
Speaker 2: tragedy quite often. But I believe in showing sans at

2796
02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,680
Speaker 2: her lowest, the writers are setting up to become a

2797
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:02,040
Speaker 2: kick ass heroin like Danny, Briand and of course my

2798
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:06,760
Speaker 2: favorite shady lady Olina. Yeah, but you know it's funny

2799
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:09,120
Speaker 2: because some people are gonna be like, well, they use

2800
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 2: rap as a device to make these women stronger, but

2801
02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:13,760
Speaker 2: they don't use it with everybody. There's a lot of

2802
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,480
Speaker 2: strong characters that nothing's happened to of this level, and

2803
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:20,320
Speaker 2: they're still strong female characters. So I don't even want

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02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:22,320
Speaker 2: to say, you know that people are like, because I

2805
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:23,920
Speaker 2: already know people are like, Well, they just use it

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02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:28,480
Speaker 2: to make people stronger, Danny. That's it. That's the list.

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02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 2: That being said, I can understand why some people would

2808
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:34,560
Speaker 2: stop watching the show because rape is not an easy

2809
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:38,000
Speaker 2: thing for some people. Yeah, and you know, and to me,

2810
02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:40,840
Speaker 2: it's kind of a credit to the show because many, many, many,

2811
02:10:40,920 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 2: many shows do treated as an easy thing and it's

2812
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:45,080
Speaker 2: not no gravitas to it.

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02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:47,680
Speaker 4: No, it's just a fact of matter. And then the

2814
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:48,600
Speaker 4: next scene happens.

2815
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:51,720
Speaker 2: I remember I was watching this movie called Shooter with

2816
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 2: Mark Wahlberg, and like they do the trope of the

2817
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:59,280
Speaker 2: woman gets kidnapped that he you know, likes or loves

2818
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:02,320
Speaker 2: or whatever, and the bad guy has her, and then

2819
02:11:02,520 --> 02:11:05,320
Speaker 2: they just have a rape scene. Just then let's just

2820
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 2: throwing this rape real quick. And then they just you know,

2821
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 2: cut back to action like nothing happened, and they're.

2822
02:11:12,280 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 4: Like, didn't he just rape her?

2823
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:15,840
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck?

2824
02:11:15,960 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 2: Like that just threw that in there like it's nothing

2825
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:21,960
Speaker 2: like it's not like they've done these movies a thousand times.

2826
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,240
Speaker 2: It's not like this movie had to gravitize of taking

2827
02:11:24,280 --> 02:11:26,120
Speaker 2: it serious that none of these other movies.

2828
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:27,839
Speaker 3: Did correct and it didn't take it seriously.

2829
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:29,360
Speaker 2: You know, they just threw it in there because it

2830
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:31,760
Speaker 2: was like something to do, you know. So I feel

2831
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:33,640
Speaker 2: like it's a little different for this. I don't think

2832
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:36,000
Speaker 2: they lightly throw it about. I think every time they've

2833
02:11:36,120 --> 02:11:40,280
Speaker 2: used it, it's been difficult to watch and kind of hard,

2834
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, kind of it's been bad, you know what

2835
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:46,320
Speaker 2: I mean. There's no oh, well this these things just happened.

2836
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,400
Speaker 2: We all have our pressure points, is why don't watch

2837
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:51,840
Speaker 2: slave movies? But that's me. I wouldn't expect someone telling

2838
02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:54,280
Speaker 2: to tell me I'm being silly for what I.

2839
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:55,840
Speaker 4: Choose and don't choose to watch.

2840
02:11:55,880 --> 02:11:57,280
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't go do that to them.

2841
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:58,080
Speaker 3: Now.

2842
02:11:58,080 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 4: I believe there's an element of people like to complain,

2843
02:12:00,040 --> 02:12:00,640
Speaker 4: able to take.

2844
02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:03,240
Speaker 2: A complaining and though they'll claim they want they won't

2845
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:05,640
Speaker 2: watch the show, they'll be hate tweeting it and watching

2846
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:06,600
Speaker 2: it all the same. Right.

2847
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:08,960
Speaker 3: Ratings don't lie, y'all. Ratings don't lie.

2848
02:12:09,160 --> 02:12:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of people that honestly, at least

2849
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm taking what I'm picking up over the past week.

2850
02:12:15,800 --> 02:12:18,160
Speaker 2: A lot of people want to pull a moral superiority thing.

2851
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:20,520
Speaker 2: I want to keep watching, but I want to feel

2852
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,880
Speaker 2: better than you for keep watching. Right, Okay, if you

2853
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:25,800
Speaker 2: need that, you need that, but don't leave me out

2854
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:28,720
Speaker 2: of it. Correct Admittedly, I will be disappointed if all

2855
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:31,680
Speaker 2: that happens to her is she escapes or is rescued

2856
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:34,480
Speaker 2: instead of taking the revenge she so rightly deserves.

2857
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,360
Speaker 4: And in that case, the people who had a problem

2858
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:36,640
Speaker 4: with the.

2859
02:12:36,680 --> 02:12:39,160
Speaker 2: Rape c will be justified in that complaint because says

2860
02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:42,080
Speaker 2: it will not have evolved at all. Well, we'll see.

2861
02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:42,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2862
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:46,760
Speaker 2: Honestly, I believe in the storytelling on this show way

2863
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:50,520
Speaker 2: more than y'all do, because there's a way for every

2864
02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:53,680
Speaker 2: single outcome that people keep saying is the wrong outcome

2865
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:55,120
Speaker 2: to happen.

2866
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 4: But if it's handled with integrity, I won't have a

2867
02:12:57,400 --> 02:12:57,920
Speaker 4: problem with it.

2868
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:00,560
Speaker 2: It's all about the quality of the right And if

2869
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't have integrity, if I didn't at that point,

2870
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 2: I'll be like, yeah, they fucked that up, you know,

2871
02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:08,120
Speaker 2: Like I said, It's like it's like the Circy thing

2872
02:13:08,280 --> 02:13:12,920
Speaker 2: all over again, where I was like, yeah, that scene

2873
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:18,080
Speaker 2: like by itself watching the show, that seems was a

2874
02:13:18,200 --> 02:13:20,920
Speaker 2: rape and it's weird that that didn't come back up.

2875
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:23,240
Speaker 2: And then you read an interview a couple of days

2876
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:24,880
Speaker 2: later where like it wasn't rape and you're like what

2877
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:27,240
Speaker 2: that's when I'm like, you fucked.

2878
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:29,400
Speaker 3: Up, right, you did a bad job of patraying the right.

2879
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,600
Speaker 2: But I can't tell in the moment because I don't

2880
02:13:31,640 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 2: know how they're gonna handle it, you know what I'm saying.

2881
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 2: And I'm willing to call something fucked up if it's

2882
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:38,720
Speaker 2: fucked up, and they might fuck this up. Definitely could

2883
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:40,960
Speaker 2: fuck this up. Not saying they can't. I don't know

2884
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:44,520
Speaker 2: how they would necessarily will have to see they could

2885
02:13:44,600 --> 02:13:46,960
Speaker 2: fuck this up where I'm just like, yeah, that that's terrible.

2886
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:48,040
Speaker 4: I don't know what they were doing.

2887
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:50,480
Speaker 2: Or they could knock it out the park like they

2888
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:56,160
Speaker 2: did with Denis and you're like, oh wow. Normally you

2889
02:13:56,280 --> 02:14:02,640
Speaker 2: see the cliche, crumpled up, you know, sad victim cliche

2890
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:06,080
Speaker 2: right there, and instead we got the Mother of Dragons

2891
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:09,720
Speaker 2: out of that shit, which is amazing. Love the show.

2892
02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:12,640
Speaker 2: Keep doing what you're doing. Thanks Ev, and uh yeah,

2893
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:13,440
Speaker 2: we got to get out of here.

2894
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:13,760
Speaker 4: Guys.

2895
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:17,800
Speaker 2: Thank y'all so much for watching the show and live

2896
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:22,520
Speaker 2: tweeting with us and supporting the show, and especially thanks

2897
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:24,920
Speaker 2: to everybody that rode in man today because it was

2898
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:28,840
Speaker 2: a very difficult topic to talk about, and lord knows,

2899
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:30,920
Speaker 2: I didn't agree with some of y'all, but I think

2900
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:32,840
Speaker 2: a lot of y'all still made some pretty good points.

2901
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:35,919
Speaker 4: Yes, and we'll see what happens.

2902
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:39,400
Speaker 2: And for those of y'all that tapped out, you know,

2903
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 2: definitely understand, you know, not trying to tell you to

2904
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:45,080
Speaker 2: come back. If you're on the fence, I would say

2905
02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:47,680
Speaker 2: I would err on the side of not watching rather

2906
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,080
Speaker 2: than watching if I was you, because I don't think

2907
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:51,120
Speaker 2: anybody should.

2908
02:14:50,920 --> 02:14:53,760
Speaker 4: Tune in to feel bad every week.

2909
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,560
Speaker 2: That just seems crazy to me. But everybody else, man,

2910
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:01,080
Speaker 2: we'll see you guys Monday when we recaptain Thrones as

2911
02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:02,839
Speaker 2: opposed to our normal Wednesday.

2912
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:05,800
Speaker 4: Jime and Justin will be here, so so.

2913
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 3: You only have to wait one day, y'all, all right.

2914
02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:11,960
Speaker 4: Man, until we may or may not do a show tomorrow.

2915
02:15:12,080 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 2: Just letting you know we're not going to tell you.

2916
02:15:14,120 --> 02:15:17,160
Speaker 2: Uh so until tomorrow possibly or Monday for sure.

2917
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Speaker 4: I love you.