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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry.

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Speaker 3: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.

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Speaker 4: That's good, all right, we're back. It feels like remember

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Speaker 4: that remember that movie called Oh, Pump Up the Volume

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Speaker 4: with Christian Slater and he had this like pirate radio station.

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Speaker 4: Love that movie. I used to watch that movie all

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Speaker 4: the time. But I sort of weirdly feel like I'm

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Speaker 4: doing that sometimes. It just crossed my mind. I think

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Speaker 4: it's because I'm finding, well, the places to do my

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Speaker 4: podcast are becoming more limited and more limited, and right

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Speaker 4: now I am in my office. Well it's not even

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Speaker 4: in my office. It's like an office quote unquote, but

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Speaker 4: more of a storage room. I'm sure everyone can relate

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Speaker 4: to that, where you have a room that should function

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Speaker 4: as a room, or you know, something that you can

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Speaker 4: be productive in, but it just ends up as a

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Speaker 4: storage facility. Well that's where I am right now. Because

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Speaker 4: when I do a podcast in the middle of the day,

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Speaker 4: I'm okay, But in about thirty minutes, all hell is

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Speaker 4: going to break loose in my house. So I am

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Speaker 4: now have been relegated to a storage facility.

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Speaker 2: In my home.

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Speaker 4: And it just weirdly felt like I was doing something

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Speaker 4: sort of you know, sort of like not correct.

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Speaker 2: Back like back backwoods, like I'm a pirate radio DJ.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm thinking this. Maybe I took

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Speaker 2: too much acid.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, this is fun. We've got a couple people in

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Speaker 4: the waiting.

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Speaker 2: Room right now. One man is an actor that I

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Speaker 2: admire greatly.

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Speaker 4: He's an amazing shit all of his life and I

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Speaker 4: think he's actually in the upcoming Paul Thomas Anderson movie,

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Speaker 4: which apparently is incredible. Tony Goldwyn and his daughter Anna

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Speaker 4: Goldwyn are here and they're in the waiting room and

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Speaker 4: they have a.

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Speaker 2: Podcast that I can't wait to talk to them about.

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Speaker 4: It's called Far from the Tree and it's all about

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Speaker 4: NEPO babies, and we're gonna get into it and talk

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Speaker 4: to him about it. But I just love this idea

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Speaker 4: because it's been such a hot topic forever and it's

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Speaker 4: so directed at, you know, our industry, the entertainment industry,

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Speaker 4: when really it spans everything. And I've even said that before. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: let's not listen to me, pontificate, Let's bring them in.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk to him about.

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Speaker 2: All of it. Hi, Hey, how's it going. Hey guys,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Great to meet Shoot, this is so exciting. You know.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Tony, I've loved everything that you've done.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're an amazing talent.

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Speaker 2: Peter is your brother, right, you remember?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: He told me did you guys go to school together?

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Speaker 2: He just yeah, we were. But he lives in my neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: I see Peter all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Peter bought like eighteen homes in the neighborhood, sold

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Speaker 4: them all, and then now he's married and he's got

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Speaker 4: another you know, but I love Peter.

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Speaker 2: We've just had a baby, fun times, just had a baby. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were talking about you last week. I was

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Speaker 5: in LA and I can't remember how your name Cambell,

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Speaker 5: but I remember him telling me that that you guys

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Speaker 5: were friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he's great. Usually I start with he'll go

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Speaker 2: back into your life and do all this.

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Speaker 4: But I just love the topic of your podcast so

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Speaker 4: much because it's something that I talk about all the time.

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Speaker 4: Not just in my personal life or with Kate, but

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Speaker 4: even on our show, you know, about nepotism and about

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Speaker 4: how it sort of has blown up, and how it

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Speaker 4: is for some reason strictly directed at our our industry.

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Speaker 1: Right as if it doesn't happen all over the place.

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Speaker 2: It's such bullshit, I totally you know.

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Speaker 1: I can show you some finance bros who have definitely benefit, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, And I always say, look, we use what we

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Speaker 4: can get, you know. I mean, we always are trying

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Speaker 4: to get a leg up in everything that we do.

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Speaker 4: I would say and argue and tell me what you

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Speaker 4: guys think that in this business. Of course nepotism exists.

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Speaker 4: It gets your foot in the door. But you have

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Speaker 4: to prove yourself, you know what I mean. If you're

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Speaker 4: the CEO of a company, you can pretty much put

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Speaker 2: You still have to prove yourself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a complicated thing. I mean, that's totally true,

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Speaker 5: and especially in the creative industry, like ours. You you know,

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Speaker 5: page or on the stage or whatever you think. But

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Speaker 5: the other thing is it's it's a complicated thing too,

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Speaker 5: because there's obviously there's so many I think the thing

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Speaker 5: about the whole nepotism thing, but we also found it

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Speaker 5: you know, like it was really complicated initially with between

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Speaker 5: to create your own identity. That that to me personally,

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Speaker 5: And when we were talking, you know, Anna and I

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Speaker 5: we were talking about it and we thought, well, as

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Speaker 5: you said, Oliver, like every business in history functions like oh,

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Speaker 5: it's often passed down to the generation beyond that that's

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Speaker 5: a normal thing, but somehow in show business it's become

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Speaker 5: you know, the whole NetOp everything is. But it kind

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Speaker 5: of made us laugh. Were originally thinking of doing like

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the whole thing is kind of

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Speaker 1: culturally quite interesting, And I guess the piece that I

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Speaker 1: guess Dad, do you feel the same way too, because

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Speaker 1: your parents? But like I'm always like, yeah, there's so

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Speaker 1: much privilege in it, and there's no skirting around that,

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Speaker 1: but I think there's also a side of it that

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Speaker 1: can be really stressful sometimes unluckily when you have supportive parents,

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Speaker 1: it's not coming from them. It's usually like an internal thing.

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Speaker 1: But that I think that there's that balance too, that

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Speaker 1: often we're looking at nepo babies in our culture as like,

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of young people who are trying

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, especially because when you're looking when you're when

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Speaker 4: to that, you know, Like I grew up Goldie Haun

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Speaker 4: It was trying to sort of forge my own path.

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Speaker 4: My production company is called slow Burn because that's what

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my sister burned hot. She worked her ass off,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's this.

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Speaker 1: All of my pain, as what we all do.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's definitely real.

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Speaker 4: Those expectations, like you said, Anna, that you put upon

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's so true, you know, I because I

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Speaker 5: I realized like, oh, manly what he did, and he

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Speaker 1: Is that one sister.

438
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's an actor. Okay, so we're all in it.

439
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: We're all in. And my mom's a production designer.

440
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 4: Right, My my sister's kids want to act. You know,

441
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 4: my three kids want to act. My son just didn't

442
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 4: movie for Netflix, just did a little bit. I mean,

443
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 4: like it's it's it's almost we.

444
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: Have to have you and your son. We have to

445
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: have all the generations on our show, one hundred percent.

446
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just going to continue down the line.

447
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 4: But so what was that like growing up? I mean

448
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 4: you immediately said this is what I want to do.

449
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: Not really. I mean we grew up in Connecticut, so

450
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: we grew up removed sort of like geographically from the business.

451
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: My mom mainly worked in New York as a production

452
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: designer sort of you know, so that and then my

453
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: dad would kind of work everywhere. But it wasn't like

454
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: all of my friends up their parents worked in like

455
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: finance and insurance and whatever. And I think for me,

456
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: like my dad mentioned, I was an athlete, and that

457
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: was like that was my thing all through even like

458
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: elementary school, middle school. Once I discovered I was good

459
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: at sports, like that was it for me. And then

460
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: went to college for sports, and you know, I always

461
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: felt creative. I was always interested in the business. I

462
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: would enjoy the pretty rare times that I would go

463
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: to set and see, you know, what my mom or

464
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,959
Speaker 1: my dad was working on. But it didn't feel I

465
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: wasn't like a kid writing scripts. That wasn't you know.

466
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of people who are

467
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: like that, and that wasn't me. And it really for

468
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 1: me was in college when I kind of was like, Okay,

469
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to the Olympics, so what

470
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: am I going to do after college? And I was

471
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: an English major, so I kind of enjoyed obviously like

472
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: storytelling and reading and all of that. And I went

473
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: to CLA and they have a creative writing program in

474
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: the English department, and so I applied to be in

475
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: that and got in. And that was really when I

476
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: started to be like, oh, I enjoy writing and got

477
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: some external validation, which is always helpful.

478
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: You need it, I get it.

479
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: And but yeah, so it was like it was always

480
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: interesting to me, but I was not sort of like

481
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: this young, you know, thespian kid who was like all

482
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: in it. My sister was more like that. She was

483
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: like in all the school plays and was taking singing

484
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: lessons and that stuff. But I was like a total

485
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: jock and then did a little bit of a pivot.

486
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: And then when was that moment where you said, oh, wow,

487
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 4: this is what I'm doing and I'm a professional now?

488
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: I mean, was it when you sold your first thing

489
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: and did you pitch something.

490
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: Or I mean, I feel like the point when I thought, oh,

491
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing it was like my second year of film school,

492
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: because I felt like, this is what I'm going to do,

493
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: you know. I think the first year was like can

494
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: I do this?

495
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 5: Is?

496
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: Am I going to enjoy it? And then the second year,

497
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: this was in grad school, I was like, oh, now, okay,

498
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: now I'm doing this, like this is actually going to

499
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: be my career. And then I got staffed on a

500
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: show not long after leaving film school and that very

501
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: quickly became like Okay, yeah, this is what I'm doing.

502
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: But then there was, like, after you know, some success,

503
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: there was moments of doubt, as there always are, of course,

504
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: but I think that like one thing that I think

505
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: is similar between pursuing a career in the arts and

506
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: being an athlete is just like persistence, Yeah, and I'm

507
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: very grateful to have built that.

508
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: No, I know, I mean especially especially you know, the

509
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 4: landscape right now of our business.

510
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: It's just so gnarly. I mean, I haven't not been

511
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: on a series.

512
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: I can't even remember, and it's been two plus years now,

513
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: you know. I Mean it's like it's just crazy and

514
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: just hustling up gigs here and there, just staying busy.

515
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 4: You know, I have a production company, I have a

516
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 4: dealer at Fox, and so I'm just trying to do

517
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: everything that I can and stay engaged and stay creative,

518
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 4: you know, because that's all we can do. Yeah, you know,

519
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: and Tony, I would even imagine for you, it's like

520
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 4: it doesn't change, you know. I mean Tom Cruise is

521
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 4: still trying to stay Tom Cruise and the kid from

522
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 4: IOW is just trying to get an agent. I mean,

523
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 4: there's not dissimilar sort of feelings. This idea that thought,

524
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: am I ever going to work again?

525
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 5: You know? That is so true. And what I've learned,

526
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 5: you know, like whatever wisdom I've you know, sort of

527
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 5: gathered over the decades of doing this is you said

528
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 5: something really profound, is that I say this to my kids.

529
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 5: It's like there is no difference I wish I had.

530
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 5: You can't know until you know, but if I do,

531
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 5: there is no difference from the struggle that you have

532
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 5: when you're trying to get your first gigs or midway

533
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: through or when things you have the dry spells. That's

534
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,959
Speaker 5: just the rhythm of the life. And and you know,

535
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 5: you're always trying to put together the next thing. And look,

536
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 5: you know it's tough when there's fine. When when you're

537
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 5: going through phases where there's a lot of financial pressure,

538
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 5: that's really hard. Yes, but you've got to figure it

539
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 5: out and push through and figure it out when you

540
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 5: you know, if you in those times, or if you

541
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: get to a point where you've been able to like

542
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 5: keep that wolf a little bit away from the door,

543
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 5: then the real hardship, I think comes when you do

544
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 5: not have a creative outlet. So so you know, we think, oh,

545
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 5: we got to get that, we got to you know,

546
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 5: if I could just get in that club, if I

547
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 5: can just get that, but I can just get that,

548
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 5: if I just get there, then I'll be there. There

549
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 5: was no there. I know, there's saying there was no there.

550
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 5: You're there, and you're like, Okay, I'm here, but I

551
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 5: gotta get if you're in that way of thinking about it. Yeah,

552
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 5: And the more as you evolve and mature, you're like,

553
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 5: oh no, I'm always there. I'm always in my process

554
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: with varying results. Some are remunerative, some I would happily

555
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: do for free, Some turn out to be shitty, some

556
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 5: turn out to be magical. You know, there's things that

557
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 5: are uncomfortable and pain but it's all part of the

558
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 5: same stew And it's literally no different than when I was,

559
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 5: you know, twenty five years older. We were going, am

560
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 5: I ever going to be able to do this thing?

561
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 5: I'm doing this play or whatever the hell I was doing?

562
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean? So that's that to

563
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 5: me is the reason, Like it's oh, it's all the same.

564
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 5: You got to take care of business, make sure your

565
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 5: rent is paid and all of that.

566
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

567
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 5: The final thing I would say is you kind of

568
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 5: touched on it, is if you can stay creative and commune,

569
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: be in community with creative people that you vibe with,

570
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: you're like ninety percent of them. But then you're then

571
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 5: you're alive, Then you're connected, Then you're gonna you're fine.

572
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 5: Like then you're like, okay, I know I used to be.

573
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: I used to that. Yeah, I'm sure you have this

574
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 5: feeling too, you know, like in those long periods of unemployment,

575
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 5: trying to start out as an actor and just getting

576
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 5: doors shut in your face all the time. Then you

577
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 5: go to class or I had like a bunch of

578
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 5: friends of mine we formed a workshop that we did

579
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 5: when I was we were all struggling, and and you

580
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 5: just go and do like one piece of work or

581
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: connect with somebody on a creative level, and you go, God,

582
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: I was so depressed all like, and now all of

583
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: a sudden, it's like getting a drug. Why do I

584
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 5: feel good now? Why am I fine? Why am I like?

585
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: I can handle these problems. It's not the end of

586
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 5: the world. Whereas before I came to the class today,

587
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, I was.

588
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: So true, Oh God, so true. I mean, that's that's

589
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: what sort of this you know, producing side, which has

590
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: been a few years, it has been longer than that,

591
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: but has done for me because it's not lucrative. It

592
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: doesn't make them a lot of money until you get

593
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: something on the air, you know what I mean. Deals

594
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: are in place and it's all gravy. You know, only

595
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: when you get something on the air. It doesn't matter though,

596
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: right now, because the creative outlet for me and just

597
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: coming up with stories, working with writers, reading drafts of

598
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: scripts and getting that buzz from sort of just you know,

599
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 4: that collaboration of creation.

600
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: And coming up with ideas. You're right, it's like a

601
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: drug that way.

602
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's everything I felt.

603
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I had that exact experience, Like twenty twenty two and

604
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three were just so tough for me, and

605
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: the strikes obviously didn't make that easier, and and I

606
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: was like, really, I was in the mindset that my

607
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: dad was kind of describing of like, well, no one's

608
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, I worked on things forever that then no

609
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: one bought or they fell apart, and it was just

610
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: like that, after that, after that, and and then the

611
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: strike happened, and it was like, okay, well no one's

612
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: doing anything now, I guess, And how can I try

613
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: to like reset myself? You know, there's no there's no

614
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: one to compare myself to right now because everyone's stopped.

615
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: And in that process, I made a short film and

616
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: it was like a small thing. My sister was in it,

617
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: like my free you know, it was like a family effort,

618
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: like my friend's help, my husband edited it, whatever, and

619
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: it was so fun and it was that exact thing

620
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: you were describing Dad of like, oh I can I'm

621
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: totally fine now, like nothing had really changed, but but

622
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: it was like the reminder of it's all about being

623
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: able to be creative. And then like and then I

624
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: got over the anxiety of like, oh my god, like

625
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: I haven't made a certain amount of money in the

626
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: last couple of years, but you know what am I

627
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: going to do? And then like I had the strike

628
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: edited and I was like, well, I guess I'll like

629
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: tutor to make some money. It's a shame about that

630
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: went away. Whereas before I would have felt so like,

631
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm failing, right, but I wasn't because

632
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I suddenly was like doing stuff even though sometimes, as

633
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: you pointed out, Oliver, the doing stuff doesn't make you

634
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: money in the early stages.

635
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 4: I love what you said, you know about going back

636
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: to sort of your roots in a way, and it's

637
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: like a it's like a family. It's like the original

638
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: family band sort of gets together and it's a short movie.

639
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: And I always say this to my friends and even

640
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 4: my sister and my family because it's being creative without judgment,

641
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: because right now we it's such a business, you know,

642
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: it's like how do we fit this into the lane

643
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: that they want? Or I'm trying to, you know, rather

644
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 4: than when we were kids, I would make movies every weekend.

645
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 4: I didn't even want to be an actor. I wanted

646
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: to direct and write and produce, and like that's what

647
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: I did. My sister was acting, and I was I

648
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 4: had cameras and filters and lenses and you know, and

649
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: I always I want to get back to that way

650
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: of making movies again, where it's that freedom of like

651
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 4: let's just play and have fun and put absolutely no

652
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: pressure on it.

653
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Bell Even then people were like my

654
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: manager was like, okay, so then what's the feature of

655
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: the short? And I was like, I don't know, Like

656
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: that's not that wasn't where my head was at at

657
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: the time. And I think it was good.

658
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: And also it there's the ability to do it now technically,

660
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 5: and you can do so much, which like when I

661
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: was started, you couldn't even do that, Like it was

662
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 5: not past of making a short film was. But I'm like,

663
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 5: just to tell you a little bit of Anna's film,

664
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 5: is such a good example of how to do that.

665
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 5: I mean, she had, in addition to the career patch

666
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 5: that she was going through off with the strikes and

667
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 5: all that, she had a terrible skiing accident and like

668
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 5: could have died, but really her shoulder broke her shoulder

669
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: in her arm and.

670
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: U in Utah, Yeah, I sky Snowbird. I'd not getting

671
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: out to sky Snowbird.

672
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't need to go to Alta, so

673
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to anymore.

674
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: I had her fall at Alta and and uh uh

675
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 5: and when she broke her shoulder and had this big surgery.

676
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 5: She and her husband actually at that time were kind

677
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: of were broken up as before they were married and

678
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: they were they were in a pause and uh and

679
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 5: she had I was like, okay, I'm gonna move into

680
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 5: your house and take care of you because she needed someone.

681
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 5: So I lived and she had a little house and

682
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 5: I lived on her couch for two weeks or something

683
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 5: and and we had this. I took care of her.

684
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: So bathed me, like put wow.

685
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: It was ever like since she was a baby or

686
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 5: a little girl I had I mean we've been close,

687
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: but it was like literally had do everything for her,

688
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 5: and she was in this terrible pain, and so we

689
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 5: just hung and I, you know, luckily, you know, I

690
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 5: wasn't working and I just come and and and lived

691
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 5: on her couch. So that was, you know, we got

692
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: she got through that and then moved on. But she

693
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 5: decided to make She said, she wrote the script about

694
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 5: a father and a daughter going through this exact thing.

695
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: So she'd made it. You under playing a little bit

696
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 5: because she made it, and she was gonna she made

697
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: it as a she was gonna make it as a

698
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 5: birthday present for me, and on my birthday the next year, like,

699
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 5: she did a screening for me of the finished film,

700
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 5: and of course I wept, but it was like the

701
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 5: whole everything that drove that was like good, Like it

702
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 5: was this intense experience. Anna had had this desire to

703
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 5: explore this idea to make her first you know, she'd

704
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: written a lot, but Jamaican first film as Adria as

705
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: a filmmaker, and it was connected to me, I don't know,

706
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 5: you know, and then ended up being this very beautiful

707
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 5: thing that's gotten this great response. So it's like if

708
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 5: you can those are all indicators of like, oh am,

709
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 5: I do I have the right like vibes going on

710
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 5: with how I'm approaching this thing I'm doing separate from

711
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 5: the business, you know, I find it out even in

712
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 5: the business, I'm not feeling that ship on some level. Yeah,

713
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 5: to be it doesn't have to be high art, you know.

714
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: But if I'm not, at least in my own existence,

715
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 5: feeling that connection with the people I'm working with, my

716
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 5: approach to the material I'm doing, whatever it is, you know,

717
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: I'm I need to kind of reboot myself. Yeah, you

718
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean. Yeah, And when you're in that mindset,

719
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 5: it also attracts others who vibe that way too, I have.

720
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 4: Found, oh for sure. Well that's why it's a creative

721
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: community is always so fun. Yeah, everyone's a little crazy

722
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 4: and fun.

723
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: But Tony, going back to you and growing up for so,

724
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: how many siblings did you have?

725
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 5: There are six of us, So, yeah, there's four by

726
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: my mom and dad and then they got divorced and

727
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: then Peter and our sister Liz is the or a

728
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 5: half brothers.

729
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 4: Okay, So what was growing up like for you in

730
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: the world of sort of Hollywood essentially or even outside

731
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 4: of that.

732
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm wondering I would compare with your situation.

733
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 5: My parents were an actress, but my mom had been

734
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 5: earl before I was born, but she was a painter. Really,

735
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 5: my dad having grown up in the way that he

736
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 5: grew up, you know, where his house as a kid,

737
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 5: you know, his parents adored him, but he was an

738
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 5: only child, and their house was a place of business,

739
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 5: you know, every night dinner parties and you know, movie stars.

740
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 5: It was all a place of my grandpa's business, and

741
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: he did not want that for his kids. So, and

742
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: my mother had grown up. The other side of my

743
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: family is also in show business. My mother's father was

744
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: a very successful playwright and screenwriter, and her mother was

745
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 5: an actress, and they were more in New York, and

746
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: they kind of literaty side of New York, you know,

747
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: the kind of New York intillientials. And so both of

748
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: them had had kind of successful show biz families in

749
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: different worlds and didn't want their kids to be exposed

750
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 5: to that. So they kept us completely away from I

751
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 5: never met a movie star until I was like sixteen

752
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 5: years old. I never was set. My father could have

753
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 5: been a lawyer or something, and I wouldn't have I

754
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 5: knew he was a producer. Yeah, and I knew. The

755
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 5: actors that I met were like their close friends who

756
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 5: were workaday actors. You know, we're theater actors. There's no

757
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 5: no one was famous sou and they kind of turned

758
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 5: us unto a lot of would take us to the

759
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 5: theater all the time and stuff like that, but it

760
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: was not show business. Was like I think he was

761
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 5: also protective but also didn't want He had this thing

762
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 5: about like us mad. He was afraid it would be

763
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 5: like spoiled Hollywood kids and feel entitled that, you know,

764
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 5: because we had a famous last name. So that was

765
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 5: he was very, very crazy about money and you know

766
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,479
Speaker 5: things that he didn't want us to be spoiled. Really,

767
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 5: and for the most part, I was really grateful because

768
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 5: I discovered it later, you know. And and I started

769
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 5: to do that with Annon Tess and I'm you know,

770
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 5: as Anna said, they didn't get explo We moved to

771
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 5: Connecticut to not have because that was the approach that

772
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 5: I had. But I did a project once in with

773
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 5: a Mary Steamberge and Mary had said to me, you're

774
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 5: making a big mistake keeping your kids away, because like

775
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 5: we have our kids come with us and it's like

776
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: a circus and it's so fun and they love it,

777
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: and it's like, you're why would you keep them away

778
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: from a part of your life that you loved? Them

779
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 5: brings you so much joy? And I was like, oh wow,

780
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 5: you know by that time, Anna was I don't know,

781
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 5: you were probably twelve years old, but but it was

782
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 5: a it was a good point. You know. So there's

783
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: no right or wrong, but that's kind of how how

784
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 5: we were raised.

785
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you just you just sort of

786
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: understood eventually what your parents did, but then kind of

787
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: found it on your own.

788
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

789
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 5: I mean that that. I mean I did know. I

790
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: was I very much knew what my dad did. And

791
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 5: you talked about his work. He hit what he did,

792
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: got it. Didn't go to the incidents. I go to

793
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: his office, but he was of Producers, which had an

794
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 5: all of it. Yeah yeah, yeah, but it was the

795
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 5: kind of like the Hollywood.

796
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 1: Like the glamour of it, the glamour of it.

797
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 5: Like and some people do bring their kids and stuff

798
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 5: going to premierees and events and in the fancy birthday

799
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 5: parties and all that kind of stuff. That was he

800
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 5: was just like no, yeah, yeah, you know, and knowing

801
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 5: all the differends than whose parents are doing what with so? So, yeah,

802
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 5: we grew up in LA and a lot of people

803
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 5: were in show business, but he was. They were very like,

804
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 5: uh careful about it.

805
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, I thinking back on it, My

806
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: my parents weren't.

807
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: We were at premieres and there's.

808
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: Pictures of us as kids and premieres and and we

809
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 4: were on set all the time.

810
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 5: And did you love that?

811
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I loved it. I loved it. I loved being

812
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: around it.

813
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 4: That's why even today, when I drive down the street

814
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: I see a production of some kind with the lights

815
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: and the thing.

816
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, like, what's going on?

817
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: You know, I mean I get that feeling, you know,

818
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: because that was such a place for me to play

819
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 4: as well. You know, I made skateboards and skim and

820
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: the carpenters with the carpenters and I mean I was

821
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: just immersed in it. But my parents definitely, you know,

822
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 4: made a point to at least instilling us, or try

823
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: to instill in us.

824
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: Which I think they did a pretty good job.

825
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: Like this isn't real life, you know what I mean,

826
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: Like this is fun and it may be something to

827
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: strive for if you love it. If you don't love it,

828
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: get away from it. But this isn't real life. So

829
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: within our four walls of the house, it was very normal.

830
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 4: You know, everyone's I get the question. Was it like

831
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: growing up with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? Like I

832
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: can understand the question, but it's a boring answer, you

833
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 4: know what I mean?

834
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: It was normal. I don't know what else to tell you.

835
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: It was. It was pretty it was great.

836
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: They were great parents, and you know, felt pretty normal,

837
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 4: you know, so we were around it.

838
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: But but I also did not like.

839
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: When fans when I was a kid, when fans and

840
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: would come up to my mom we were like having

841
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 4: dinner or something like that felt like she was being

842
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 4: taken away from me somehow. And this is when I

843
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 4: was a little boy. But I still remember the feeling,

844
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: and there's residual feelings even at almost fifty years old

845
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: sometimes where I'm like, oh wow, I cannot believe that little,

846
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: that little, that little feeling still is.

847
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: There, even the protective feeling.

848
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel that with your dad of just

849
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: like you know.

850
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not your mom is one of the

851
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: biggest stars, right right, Yeah, but it did. There were

852
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 5: periods where it was like when I was on a

853
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 5: hit is huge.

854
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the comparison I was going to make,

855
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: is like, I feel like, because your mom is who

856
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: she is and there's like this iconic woman, I think

857
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: they're that protective nature feels really understandable there. When my

858
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: dad was on scandal, I was older, so it wasn't

859
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: as like I didn't feel as like formative for me.

860
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: But when that was happening and then suddenly there's like

861
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: all these middle aged women who are like, your dad

862
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: is hot, and I was like, this is too far,

863
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: and that became that became odd, And that's maybe the

864
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: comparison I would make. I'm sure of like what you

865
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: were feeling as a kid about your mom, because your

866
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: mom's a beautiful woman and people are.

867
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Probably like, your mom's hot.

868
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's when I'm like, that's where I feel

869
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: people don't sometimes respect boundaries when they're like fawning over celebrities.

870
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, I remember Dad, you

871
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: have said in the past, like, what other job in

872
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: the world is there where random people will just come

873
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: up to you and tell tell you how much they

874
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 1: love what you do, Like there's no other job really

875
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: than being an actor or a musician or.

876
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there are moments where it's oppressive, you know,

877
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 5: when you get in. But every time I start to

878
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 5: get cranky for a neighbor of ours in Connecticut when

879
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 5: when it was growing up, I was probably bitching about

880
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: it or something, and he's like he was in finance.

881
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: He's like, Tony, let me just tell you. I don't

882
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 5: walk down the street and never come up. Someone come

883
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 5: up to me and go, Richard, that spreadsheet you did? Yeah?

884
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's all perspective.

885
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 4: That is funny. How is it working together? You know

886
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: on the podcast? First of all, how long?

887
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: How long has it been going on?

888
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: It's new. We've we've released brand four episodes.

889
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 5: Okay, great, but we've been working every about a year.

890
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.

891
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 4: How has it been working together? Because very natural, it's

892
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: got to be awesome. I mean, my daughter is my

893
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: young one, she's twelve, and there's this you know, I

894
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 4: have my two boys and my girl and and you

895
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: always hear.

896
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: Oh wait, a daughter's rather finger all that. I'm like, okay, whatever,

897
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: like you hear that shit all the time, but it's

898
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: it turns out to be true.

899
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 4: I'm just so in love with her, and like, you know,

900
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 4: if I could have a podcast with her when she's

901
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: in her twenties or whatever. And I'm like, oh my gosh,

902
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: I mean for Tony, that must be so awesome. First

903
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: of all, just to be working with your daughter.

904
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 5: It is.

905
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: How much fun is that.

906
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 5: It's like the thing we were talking about about the

907
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 5: joy of being able to share your work life, and

908
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 5: it's a dialogue that Anna and I've always kind of had.

909
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 5: So this felt like a very just organic extension. And

910
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 5: it's weird, like we share each other's work and when

911
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 5: when it's offered me, Ania will send me something to

912
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 5: read or give me perspective. We just talk freely, or

913
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 5: if I'm doing something, I'll send her to get her

914
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 5: opinion about what I'm doing, you know, a cut of

915
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 5: a movie I'm directing or something like that, or a

916
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 5: script that I'm working on. Get her. We said, have

917
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 5: always had this dialogue, so this is working together is

918
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 5: just a natural thing, but it is. It's really fun

919
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 5: and beautiful. And Tests too, you know, like when Tests

920
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 5: was in grad school and theater school during COVID and

921
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 5: she was like, we should make a short movie together

922
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: because I'm not we're not doing anything, you know, and

923
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 5: we had and it's like okay, And then she wrote

924
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: one and I was like, oh, I wrote this is

925
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 5: pretty good, and yeah, we're good, let's make it. And

926
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 5: during COVID we just made a short film together and

927
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 5: she'd never directed a film and said we should direct it.

928
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 5: She said, well, so I pulled together a crew together

929
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 5: and we made this little movie that she wrote and

930
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 5: and she got completely turned on by filmmaking. And then

931
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 5: so with both of them, it's and it was so

932
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 5: fun to work together. You know, we do. So we've

933
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 5: like it's weird and I feel like we I feel

934
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 5: like we've always do it, but we do.

935
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like we've always been working together. I

936
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: think the difference with this is like we have well

937
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: there's a like an organizational difference of like, oh, we

938
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: have to like have a schedule and you know, talk

939
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: to you know, there's that side of it that is

940
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: actually fun and kind of new for us in terms

941
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: of like the logistics side of it. But I also

942
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: think that what has been the most cool about it

943
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: is talking to other people. I mean, you guys obviously

944
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: feel this doing your show for a long time, like

945
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: specifically talking to other parents and children and seeing that

946
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: there's so many universalities in that relationship, but then at

947
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: the same time how different everyone's relationship are. Because I

948
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: think that when you're living in your own relationship with

949
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: your parent, it's really the only experience that you have

950
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: except for maybe watching your significant other with their parents.

951
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: You know, like you're not that intimately in someone else's dynamic.

952
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: And so talking to people not just in entertainment, but

953
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: like in sports and politics and all this stuff, like

954
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: just just sort of comparing notes a little bit of like, oh,

955
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: what is it like for us to work together on this,

956
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: but then also what is it like for them to

957
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Like we interviewed probably my favorite interview because it is

958
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: sort of in my wheelhouse. We interviewed the Texas University

959
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: or Texas women's basketball coach Bick Schaeffer, who's like this

960
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: legendary basketball coach and his daughter who is his assistant coach.

961
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: And to talk to them and be like they're I mean,

962
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: their working dynamic is much more intense than us making

963
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: a podcast together. And but just to see the similarities

964
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: and the differences and like how they speak to each

965
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: other and love each other and the dynamic and their family,

966
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Like I just think It's such a cool thing and

967
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: anyone whoever has the opportunity to work with someone in

968
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: their family or that they're related to it is just

969
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: like such an awesome gift and experience.

970
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 4: Well, I think I love the concept of your show.

971
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: It reminds me kind of of our show in a sense.

972
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, really.

973
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: Your show is kind of an inspiration for us, So

974
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 5: it really was. Yeah.

975
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: Well, the sibling dynamic is so interesting, and you know,

976
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 2: it's you could.

977
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 4: Be two and a half years apart but have a

978
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 4: completely different experience of your five or your mother, you know, like,

979
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: I'm sure your sister has a different perspective on your

980
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 4: parents than you do, even though they raised you pretty

981
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 4: much the same. And it's just watching it all sort

982
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: of go down and hearing all of the different stories,

983
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: you know, it's pretty inspiring. And it's actually brought my

984
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 4: sister and I closer to interestingly enough, you know, I mean,

985
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 4: because you're sort of intimately talking about each other as well.

986
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 4: And strangely, when I have the microphone from my face,

987
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: I feel more comfortable and vulnerable telling my sister things

988
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: about her or the way I feel about her.

989
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a mandate you're like, oh, I

990
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: guess I have to say because I'm being recorded.

991
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 5: I think Anna and I are both like mutually respectful

992
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 5: of the business side of it, that that needs to

993
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 5: be handled and we need to proceed in this venture

994
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: in a professional way, you know what I mean, Like

995
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 5: on an emotional level, you know, it's like parent and

996
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 5: child in our friendship and whatever our relationship, we take

997
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 5: care of that so that that doesn't get you were

998
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 5: protective of that too, So we would never want anything.

999
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 5: I'm speaking for you, and I assume you feel the

1000
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 5: same way. We wouldn't want anything to go sideways to

1001
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 5: something where this became a negative thing, you knowship, like

1002
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 5: that would be make the whole thing pointless of.

1003
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: Course, right episode ten, You're like, you know what, I

1004
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: don't even like you it.

1005
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: Turns into like a reality show.

1006
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 5: It might be really, we may make a lot of

1007
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 5: money if we.

1008
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 4: Have that one exactly, But in a positive sense, has

1009
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 4: it has it done anything for your relationship?

1010
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?

1011
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean I think for me, like what has been

1012
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: the most different is is that like professional side of it.

1013
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: Like I think that we've talked so much in my

1014
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, entire adulthood about work and how you know,

1015
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: the victories and the difficulties and all of that stuff.

1016
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: But we've never had to like be on email chains

1017
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: together and like, you know, have quit talk discussions about

1018
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: how we're gonna, you know, what we want to focus

1019
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: on when we're interviewing these people. And so I think

1020
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: that has been just a cool thing to go through

1021
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: because it's like being more entrepreneurial together, I guess, whereas

1022
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: like our relationship has always been very filled with creativity,

1023
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: as it has with my sister and my mom and

1024
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: all of that, but but there's not there's never been

1025
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 1: like a venture you know, together, And so I imagine

1026
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, whenever anyone goes into business with

1027
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: someone in their family, as I'm sure it happened with

1028
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: you and Kate, it's like, oh, well, okay, you know,

1029
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: we have to have a phone call about this thing

1030
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: we're going to do. And that has never been a

1031
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: part of our relationship. And so that's been cool. And

1032
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: we're very different, like we're very different people, So just

1033
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: seeing like how to each of our personalities kind of

1034
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: operate in that side of things has been has been cool.

1035
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes I'm like, all right, Dad, We

1036
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: can stop talking about this now. My dad loves to

1037
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: talk and talk and talk and talk about things. And

1038
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like we did it right this phone call.

1039
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: That's funny.

1040
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's the that's the ship that people love

1041
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 4: to see or here. You know that that just truly

1042
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 4: authentic father daughter relationship, you know, I mean the feedback

1043
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: that Katie and I have gotten. Of course, it's guests

1044
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: and the topics that we talk about and getting into

1045
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: all the details and the fun stuff. But a lot

1046
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 4: of it has been We just love hearing both of

1047
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: you be brother and sister, you know, because there's nothing

1048
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 4: more relatable. Everyone has well most people have a sibling,

1049
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 4: but everyone has a father everyone, you know, So you know,

1050
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 4: hearing that is just so that's what people want to

1051
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: listen to, you know, like all right, hey dad, Dad,

1052
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: like it's time to like zip it.

1053
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: It's for the story going way over time.

1054
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 5: Pretty much.

1055
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 2: Well, this has been so fun. I thank you guys

1056
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: for coming on.

1057
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 5: Yeah so fun. Like I said, we really loved your podcast,

1058
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 5: so we were excited.

1059
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: To oh, well thank you want to get you.

1060
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 5: Got really we were going to bug coming up.

1061
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: We do need to have like a multi generational.

1062
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, one hundred percent.

1063
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: And by the way, you know, just going back to

1064
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 4: sort of working with you know, your daughter. I my

1065
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 4: I did a movie for Netflix in January and it's

1066
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 4: coming out in November.

1067
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 2: But there was a part for my son.

1068
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 4: He wants to be an actor, and it was this

1069
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 4: age group and his name is Wilder and but it

1070
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 4: was a big part. He worked more days than I did, right,

1071
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 4: And I said, look, just he finished an acting class

1072
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: outside of school, more of an adult class, And I said,

1073
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 4: just audition for this to have an experience of what

1074
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 4: you said, you're not going to get it. Just auditioned

1075
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 4: for it. He read for it, went well, read for

1076
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 4: it again, went well. Netflix came in five auditions later.

1077
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 2: Netflix was worried.

1078
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 4: About it because they were like, he's never done a

1079
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: thing in his life.

1080
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: But he they were convinced.

1081
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: And I worked with him for living in Toronto for

1082
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 4: twenty five so cool, six weeks and it was so great.

1083
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 5: Oh that's amazing.

1084
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1085
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, I had this, I had

1086
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 4: this idea because you know, he's eighteen now, but you

1087
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 4: know he's a teenager, so he's like all that stuff.

1088
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: And I get it. I get it.

1089
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 4: But I had this vision of like this montage with

1090
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 4: music and we go into our new house and we're

1091
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 4: sitting down, we're eating dinner together and watching movies and

1092
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 4: it's like we're like in love again. And we get

1093
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 4: there the first day, I'm like, all right, like you

1094
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 4: want to like get some dinner or something.

1095
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: He's like no, just walks up to his room and

1096
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: close at the door. I was like, oh man, what.

1097
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 4: But there was a moment when he had one of

1098
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 4: these bigger monologues and I had to be watching it

1099
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 4: in the scene and I we cut and I just

1100
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 4: lost it, just crying because I couldn't believe what I

1101
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: was seeing, that he was in my world and doing

1102
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 4: it and it was so abrupt that happened kind of

1103
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 4: like this, and it was just this overwhelming pride.

1104
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: And I've never felt pride like that. And and I

1105
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: and Tony you could probably you understand that, but the.

1106
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 4: Pride that you have for your children, there's nothing that matches,

1107
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 4: nothing even comes close that feeling.

1108
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 5: Amazing. That's amazing.

1109
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god. He loved it so much. It was

1110
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: it was it was like, this is it, this is

1111
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 4: what I want to do. You know, he was not

1112
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 4: in drama at school, but then he joined the conservatory.

1113
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: You know, now he's doing drama at school. You know,

1114
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: so he's he's it's.

1115
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: So cool, and that I mean that just speaks to

1116
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: like the obvious privilege of having your parent know what

1117
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: you're doing. Is like he then got to experience your

1118
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: pride for him in a way like every parent is

1119
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: proud of their kid. But I think that there's something

1120
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: really special that I have felt in the past where

1121
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: you you know what it's like, and then you get

1122
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: to watch him do that. And so for him on

1123
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,959
Speaker 1: the receiving end of that, as I'm sure you felt

1124
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: when your parents watched you and down the line, like

1125
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: there's it's like this, it's like an emotional inheritance right

1126
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: of like now and now I am giving that piece

1127
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: of my creative self to my kid and they're also

1128
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: exploring it and like flourishing from it. And I think

1129
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: that that is that's like what's really special, and that

1130
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: isn't nepotism. It's just like the beauty of like your

1131
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: creative spirit.

1132
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: Kind of Yes, I love that. Would you call it emotional?

1133
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what did I call it?

1134
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: I was good. I wanted to save that.

1135
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, you recorded it. We're good.

1136
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: Your emotional inheritance.

1137
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: Emotional inheritance.

1138
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 5: That was it?

1139
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Emotional inheritance. I like that.

1140
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 4: I'm going to use that. Well, thank you guys, and yes,

1141
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 4: for real like reach out.

1142
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: I would love to. Sure, I would love to. You know,

1143
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: we'll figure that out, but yeah, I know I will.

1144
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 2: Thank you guys. All right, this was awesome. I appreciate

1145
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: you guys. All right. Oh man, I forgot to ask

1146
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: Old One about the movie.

1147
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 4: He's in PTA's new movie, I think, and I wanted

1148
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 4: to talk to him about it just for a second

1149
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 4: because Pta is the greatest director all the time.

1150
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: Anyway, that was that is great. It's great. It reminded

1151
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: me a lot of sibling revelry, that that sort of

1152
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: you know, vibe and uh, I don't know. It's always nice.

1153
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: It's cool.

1154
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: It makes me excited in a strange way to work

1155
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: with my daughter. At some point, she'll probably kill me.

1156
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: All right, I'm out.