1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: This episode is presented by Yahoo Fantasy. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: The most valuable commandity I know of his information. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: All got five dollars. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: This is a rain up. 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: They tackle ship. 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Humans need fantasy to be my goodness, nice, prone, best, relentless, 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: refusing to give up. 9 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: All right, hit that horn variables? 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: What is up? 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 3: Everybody? 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fantasy Flex podcast from the Action Network 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: in Fantasy Labs. 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: Who's acted by Yahoo Fantasy. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: I am your host, Chris Ravn, and I am joined 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 2: by my co host, one of. 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: The top most accurate rankers in. 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: The fantasy football industry, Sean Kerner, the odds maker. Sean, 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: it's league winner time. You had some great calls last year. 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: You had Bucky, you had no you had to You 21 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: had Brian Thomas Junior on this pod. Sorry, uh, and 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: you also had Rock Bowers. So a couple of just 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: really really good calls. 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: Uh. 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 2: I had some some Gosh Jacobs, some eight Chance and 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: so you know, overall we had a pretty good pod. 27 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: How are you feeling heading in twenty twenty five? 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: Good? 29 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, ready to give some league winners. These are the 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: guys we're saying well win your league for you. 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course all of them, but. 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: Either the guy the guys, you know, we want to have, 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: you know, Mike fight under the radar a little bit 34 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 2: or just not be thought of in that in that light. 35 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes guys, you know, just kind of. 36 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 2: Middle of the road, uh, guys that you that you 37 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: don't expect. Sometimes it's rookies. So we'll kind of break 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: down all that. We'll go position by position. 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I've talked about Kayleb 54 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 4: Williams enough, so I'm going to just talk about Drake 55 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 4: May and his league winning upside. I think that we 56 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 4: could see that in year two, although I wouldn't be 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: shocked if it takes another year or two. But it 58 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: kind of ironically happened once for Josh and once he 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 4: got Stefan Diggs as his top receiver. And obviously Digs 60 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 4: isn't the same receiver as he was back then, but 61 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 4: you know, I think getting in a veteran wide receiver 62 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: like Diggs to be the number one target will help 63 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: unlock Drake May's massive upside. I also liked them grabbing 64 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: Kyle Williams in the third round. I think he's a 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: good addition. And then, last, but not least, Traveon Henderson 66 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 4: at running back. I think he's going to be a 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: weapon in the past the game. We've already seen that 68 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 4: where he can catch a screen pass and take it 69 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 4: eighty yards. So I think all that, combined with Drake 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 4: May's massive rushing upside, which they might tap into a 71 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: little bit more this year means you know, he has 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: top five upside as soon as this year, so you 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 4: can get him, you know, typically outside of the top ten. 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 4: Along with those other guys I talked about, where they 75 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: kind of all provide top five upside. I think one 76 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: of them will hit this year, and I think, you know, 77 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: the sharp money would be on Drake May out of 78 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: those guys to potentially hit that this year. I think 79 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 4: he's the guy I'm kind of nominating from that class. 80 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: I think you can't go wrong with any of those 81 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: four guys, but Drake May specifically, I think could hit 82 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: as soon as this year. And the other guy that 83 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: I want to talk about is Jackson Dart, who is 84 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 4: going super cheap, super cheap this year, going outside of 85 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,119 Speaker 4: the top like thirty in most drafts. 86 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: You can get him for free, and you know he's 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: not going to start Week one. 88 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 4: Russell Wilson is getting the start, but it's only a 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: matter of time until dark takes over. And he's looked 90 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: really good in preseason. I thought, you know, his transition 91 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 4: to NFL might be a little bit rougher because he 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: is coming from that gimmicky, offensive old mess, but he's 93 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: look solid he he has similar rushing up side to 94 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: Josh Allen as well, just willing to put his body 95 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: on the line to get those extra couple of yards. 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: I think he has you know, QB one upside oh 97 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: yeah this season. 98 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 4: So definitely a guy you want to take a flyer 99 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 4: on and kind of you know, as a lottery ticket. 100 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 4: But yeah, he could be starting sooner than later. So 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 4: I love getting him super late in uh, you know, 102 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 4: deeper leagues if you can afford the roster space or 103 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: just someone to kind of monitor in season. 104 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean he stands out I've been saying all 106 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: off season. I still think, you know, he's a guy 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 2: you could take his like a number three quarterback in 108 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: Best Ball and you know, Anthony Richardson kind of falls 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 2: in that category for me now too. But these guys 110 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: like they're even if they're not starting week one, I 111 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 2: think at some point they're gonna make starts. 112 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: And that rushing upside. 113 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: Really is what does it And I think that's that's 114 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: really the key with quarterbacks in terms of we winning upside. 115 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: You have to have enough rushing upside and you know, 116 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: you don't have to have the top tier of it, 117 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: but that always helps. So I'm just gonna highlight the 118 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: guys that that have that, and I think the best one, 119 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: one guy that flies under the radar that we haven't 120 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: talked about as much is Bo Nicks because Bo Nicks 121 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: surprised a lot of people last year. It didn't always 122 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: look pretty, but uh, you know, his first three games 123 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: were rough statistically, and then he kind of evened out 124 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 2: and you could see him getting better as the year progressed, 125 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: getting more confident. At times, he didn't even have to 126 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: rely on his running ability as much because he was 127 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: seeing things better downfield. I think his weapons collectively got 128 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: a lot better this year, even if we're kind of 129 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: maybe not running out to draft him all in fantasy 130 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: because we don't know exactly, you know, week to week 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: if the consistency will be there because of how many 132 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: guys are gonna use. But overall, I mean, they could 133 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: go four or five deeper receiver, you know, better weapons 134 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: at running back, at tight end. So I really like 135 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: bo Knicks combining that that rushing upside with a better 136 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: offense with the Sean Payton. 137 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: That's usually the recipe. 138 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: You know, you gotta you got a coordinator, you gotta 139 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: you got some weapons, So I think bow Knicks could 140 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: surprise people. I could see him putting up a top 141 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 2: five season and kind of taking that next step, and 142 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: he finds with under the radar because he does have 143 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: a low floor. He could have one of those where 144 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: his whole season is just like that Colt skate where 145 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: he threw like three picks or something like that. He 146 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: has a wide range of outcomes, but I think he 147 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: could definitely be a league winner. And he goes after, 148 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: you know, after guys like Mahomes and who is it 149 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: in that Baker Mayfield that you know could be able 150 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: to overdraft it just because they're not giving you as 151 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: much rushing upside or just other reasons, you know why 152 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: I shouldn't be going maybe that high as quarterbacks. Bo 153 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: Nix is where it starts to come back around for me, 154 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: or Okay, I'll take a shot at at him there 155 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: to a lesser extent like the other guys that you 156 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: know have rushing upside there, but they're a little more 157 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: priced appropriately Kyler and Justin Fields, but they're still worth 158 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: mentioning because I think the key is kind of avoiding 159 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: the pocket passes all throughout the draft. I think if 160 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: you're drafted quarterbacks wherever you're going wherever, however, bigger, smaller 161 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: league is. I'm targeting guys at rushing upside almost exclusively, 162 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: So still still worth mentioning. I were and Fields, you know, 163 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: just on rushing upside alone could put it together. Kiro 164 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: would add more passing fields would have to do it 165 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: more on the ground. Trevor Lawrence is one of those 166 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: guys where just enough rushing upside. But I think he's 167 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: my probably my favorite league winner overall at quarterback. I 168 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: just think he's he has the potential to make the 169 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: biggest jump, just similar to Mayfield. Liam Cohen can add 170 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: a lot to that offense. He had two studs at 171 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: receiver and Thomas and Hunter, and we saw what con 172 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: do with Mayfield coming off a good year of the 173 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 2: year before with Canalis. 174 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: So you know, it was career highs across the board 175 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: for Mayfield. 176 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: And you know it was little things like red zone 177 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: like yards after the catch, like yard efficiency on quick 178 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: throws that weren't there for Lawrence, really haven't been his 179 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: entire career. That suggests that the coaches and the people 180 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: around him are failing him. And that's exactly those are 181 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: exactly the things that Cone, you know, improved for Mayfield 182 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: last year. So love Trevor Lawrence. And then to other guys, 183 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: I'll mention because I love the dark call. I still 184 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: think Anthony Richardson, because I don't think Daniel Jones. I 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: know they're saying, yeah, he's gonna he doesn't have a 186 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: short least or anything, but again, this is the same 187 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones that played himself right out of a job 188 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: last year. So the Giants could go start Tommy DeVito 189 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: or whoever that stay, Tyron Taylor, Tommy DeVito. 190 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: It was just it's just a not a good quarterback. 191 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: Uh. And if Richardson comes in back, he's gonna have 192 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: the best weapons of his career whenever he does. So, 193 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 2: I still think he is once he comes in. You're 194 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: talking about top top five upside every week. He's actually 195 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: got the the seventh highest rate of top four finishes 196 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: over the past two years that quarterback on a per 197 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: game basis. So he's a guy that you still want. 198 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: Uh if he's if he's back in the lineup. And 199 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: then Milroe, I think Milroe is you know, he's still 200 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: kind of down there on the depth chart. 201 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: Darnold's gonna start the year. 202 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: But if Milroe gets in the game, or if he 203 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: gets starts at any point, he's a guy that immediately 204 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: kind of has that that top five upside just based 205 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: on the type of passer he is. We saw it 206 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: with Richardson and Nodo probably probably better passes than Richardson. 207 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: So uh yeah, those are the guys for me, along 208 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: with I love the Drake May and I love Jackson 209 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: Dart as well. I just I think you got to 210 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: target all running quarterbacks. I just think that's you know that, 211 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: it's that's it's that simple. People are gonna get tempted 212 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: into the other guys every and it'll hit every once 213 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: in a while. But for every Joe Burrow, there's you know, 214 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: Jordan Love and is she d Stroud of twenty twenty four, 215 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's it's a slippery slope 216 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 2: there with those guys. 217 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so Anthony Richardson getting bench for week one 218 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 4: probably helps his case for the second half of the 219 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: season because I thought whoever started the season as the 220 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 4: quarterback was that risk of getting benched, you know, by 221 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: week eight. So they're gonna try Daniel Jones out. Probably 222 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 4: won't pan out, and then what the hell just put 223 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson in there for the second half of the season, 224 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 4: a lot of you know, go wild. So yeah, that 225 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 4: that probably increases his chances of being a difference maker 226 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: in the fantasy playoffs and being a league winner. But yeah, 227 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: now he's probably just going to be sitting on the 228 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 4: waiver wire to start the season. But as soon as 229 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 4: it looks like Dane the Daniel Jones experiment could be over, 230 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: that's the time to pounce on him. So him getting 231 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: bench kind of presents that opportunity a little more clearly 232 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: now in my opinion. 233 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's I mean, even as bad as he's been, 234 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: he's been a top fantasy quarterback most of the time 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: when he's been in there. Fantasy Flex listeners, Chris Raybond here, 236 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: this is your last call for our free Fantasy Flex 237 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: party in Chicago, presented by Yahoo Fantasy. 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But who you got in terms of your 252 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: potential league winners at the running back position? 253 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm sticking with one of the guys I 254 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: mentioned last year, and it's Blake Korum where I mean 255 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: he has league winning upside, but only if Kien Williams 256 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: miss his time. He ended up being a strict handcuff 257 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 4: last year. I thought they could mix him in a 258 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 4: little bit more to be more of a flex option, 259 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: even in Karen's healthy. That's just not how McVeigh rolls 260 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: found that out really quickly. But you know, he has 261 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: competition to be the backup with Jarka's Hunter, but he 262 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: seems to have the inside track now to be the 263 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 4: backup and you know, like I mentioned, mcvey's typically next 264 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: man up where if Kyroen goes down, I think he'll 265 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 4: just want to lean on one of these backs, and 266 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 4: it looks like it's going to be Korum. He typically 267 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: you know, red shirts, his rookie running backs in these spots, 268 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: so I think Koran would be the guy. And unfortunately, 269 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: or fortunately or fortunately for you know, Kyen owners he 270 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 4: didn't have a shot because Kyroen was healthy all sixteen 271 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 4: relevant fancy weeks last year, so Korm just didn't get 272 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 4: a chance to prove himself. So I don't know if 273 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 4: he was a bus last year, he just didn't get 274 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 4: a shot. So now that he's going outside of the 275 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: top sixty, I think he's still being drafted. Definitely worth 276 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,119 Speaker 4: a flyer because he's again one injury way of potentially 277 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 4: offering RB one value, which would be you know, league 278 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: winning upside. And you know, Zach Sharboney, we already know 279 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 4: he has RB one upside if Kenneth Walker the third 280 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 4: miss his time, and you know Kenneth Walker is currently 281 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: dealing with injury after injury right now fully expected to 282 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 4: play Week one, but seems to be a recurring theme 283 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 4: with and I think, and then this new scheme is 284 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 4: going to be incredible for whoever the running back is, 285 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: and I think they really like Charbonnay, who have long 286 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: said is the best backup running back in the league. 287 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: So this could be his year where he actually carves 288 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 4: out a big enough role even when Walker is healthy, 289 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 4: to have RB three flex value, which I think is 290 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: going to be massive for his value because we already 291 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: know when when Kenneth Walker misses time, he's pretty much 292 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: a plug and play RB one, so that that gives 293 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 4: him league winning upside by default. And then a guy 294 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 4: that's sort of a Bucky Irving type flyer this year, 295 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: where I don't really know what's going to happen with 296 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 4: this Cowboys backfield, but I think Jayden Blue has a 297 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 4: path to being you know, h RB two flex type 298 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: without even needing an injury, because as of now, his 299 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: only competition is Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders, who look 300 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 4: both to be you know, past their prime and so 301 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: similar size weight playing styles Bucky Irving. So you know, 302 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be shocked if he can make some noise. 303 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 4: I know he he has suffered that heel injury. It 304 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 4: looked like potentially like a season ending severe one, but 305 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 4: looks like he escaped with a fairly minor injury. So 306 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 4: you know that might slow the start to his rookie season, 307 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: but I think we never expected him to kind of 308 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: hit the ground running week one, just kind of waiting 309 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 4: for Juvante and Miles Sanders to fail. 310 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: And then you know, pivot to Blue. 311 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: Now, this is a team that if they trade for 312 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 4: someone like Brian Robinson junior, you know, I will be 313 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 4: off Jayden Blue at that point. But I think he's 314 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: he's worth a flyer because again, he has a path 315 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: that he doesn't even need an injury potentially to have 316 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 4: league winning upside. So he kind of fits that Bucky 317 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: Irving mold from last year. 318 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Blue is, I mean he was. 319 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: I think he's right there with Touton is like the 320 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: potential guys. Just the miss time kind of delays it 321 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: for like we don't know, we know he was thinking 322 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: some first team reps and whatnot, but like usually when 323 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: a rookie misses that much time, it's they don't they. 324 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: Don't start the year as well. 325 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: But running back kind of you could go either way 326 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: because you don't you don't need to do like running 327 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: back to the easiest position to just come in and 328 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: hit the ground running anyway, So there's certainly the opening 329 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: in dow So yeah, I think you got to take 330 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: a shot on him. 331 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it probably helped his ADP. Would 332 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: have loved to see seeing him play preseason. I don't 333 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: think he's playing this week, but you know, Jade and 334 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: Blue rushing for a fifty yard touchdown would not help 335 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: his ADP. I think the cat would be out of 336 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 4: the bag at that point. So I kind of like 337 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 4: him being a little bit under the radar now still 338 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: can get him dirt cheap. But yeah, it definitely sets 339 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 4: him back for like an early season, you know difference. 340 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: But again, we're not really drafting him to be in 341 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 4: our starting lineups anytime soon, so I think in the 342 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: end it kind of helps keep his ADP at bay. 343 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 344 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I want to point some guys are kind of like, 345 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: you know, not I'll have some guys that are a 346 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: little lower too, But last year I'm on in this segment, 347 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: I mentioned Jonathan Taylor, Devon chan and Jacobs, Josh Jacobs, 348 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: and those those guys are kind of guys that you know, 349 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 2: they were a little overlooked. Even though they had that, 350 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: you know, they were well positioned. A lot of times 351 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: they are running back, those guys end up being league 352 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: winners too. Just I think there's because of there's this 353 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: like frozen pond tier, this dead zone, people could kind 354 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: of look at guys that are on the fringes a 355 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: little a lot of the time and kind of avoid 356 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: them as well. 357 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: So I want to point out a couple of guys. 358 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 2: I think Chase Brown first of all, you know he's 359 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: he's a guy that still you know, usually falls out of. 360 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: The top ten. 361 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: I mean, I think this guy could have top He 362 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: could put up a top five running back season easily. 363 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: In this Bengals offense, I think he's gonna get a 364 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: ton of snaps. 365 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: We saw it last year. 366 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 2: If he comes out of the game, it's usually gonna 367 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: be on third downs, which, contrary to popular belief, are 368 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: not important snaps because if you're throwing to your running 369 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: back on third down, you're usually punting after that. So 370 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: it's the snaps where you do want a guy to 371 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: get a breather, and they got Pete Ryan for that 372 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 2: or Brooks. We'll see who they use in that role. 373 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: But I think Brown's gonna get a ton of catches 374 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: this year. He's he's stepped up his past catching game. 375 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: I think most of the concerns with him were offensive 376 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: line related. You know, he's yards after contact and everything 377 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: efficiency wise was great that you know, they moved on 378 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: from Moss. They don't really have much behind him, so 379 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,479 Speaker 2: I think he can put up a monster year in 380 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: this Bengal offense. 381 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: And then Alvin Kamara. Alvin Camara is another one kind 382 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: of reminds me a. 383 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: Little bit of like a Josh Jacobs or maybe even 384 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: a tailor from last year where it's just like flying 385 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: under the radar. But he's yes, he's a little older, 386 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 2: but Kelln Moore is there. He's an offensive guy. You know, 387 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: cornerback situation is shaky, and what did he do last year? 388 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: Extreme run heavy offense. Now we won't be able to 389 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: do that because the Saints won't be as good, but 390 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: he could make Alvin Camara the focal point, kind of 391 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: like his poor man Saquon. So I think Alvin Kamara, 392 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: with the pass catching ability he has, could put up 393 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 2: like that type of season. And you've got guys like 394 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: you know, Saquon, big injury risk just because of all 395 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: the touches last year. McCaffrey another guy that can kind 396 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: of put that put those kind of numbers up big 397 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: injury risks, Priest Hall another guy that can put those 398 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: numbers up. His whole you know, situation is in flux. 399 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: So you look at there's only so many guys that 400 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: can catch that many passes. Eight chans already it would 401 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: have banged up and you know, just questions about his 402 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: goal on works. Like all the other bats that can 403 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: put up those massive catch numbers, they also have it. 404 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: They also have issues, especially where they're going. 405 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: So I think Kamara could be a league winner because 406 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 2: he has that same type of ability and he's kind 407 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 2: of find under the radar and you can get him 408 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 2: later than all those other guys. So I really like 409 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: him as one of those veterans kind of find under 410 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: the radar Tyrone Tracy mentioned him in the Sleepers Pobb 411 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: but I think he's he could play a lot more 412 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: than people think. I don't think Scatteredo's gonna have a 413 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: role early on, and Singletary, you know he'll probably mix in. 414 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: They're paying him. 415 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: But I think Tracy could separate again, and like he 416 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 2: already separated from Singletary last year, so I'm not too 417 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 2: worried about a committee, and the fact that Scatterboo really 418 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: hasn't done anything of nod All camp means they're probably 419 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: just gonna roll with Tracy. They could be even better 420 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: than we think, so they might be but competitive. 421 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: Even though their schedule is tough. 422 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: So I think that just benefits you know, Tracy even 423 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: more because they probably go with you know, they probably 424 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: won't just like, oh, we're gonna get a look at 425 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: somebody because of our seasons in the tank necessarily, So 426 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: I think things are starting to line up for Tracy, 427 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 2: especially going where he's going like low twenties, early thirties, 428 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: and then my guy Baseel Tutin. I still think he 429 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: could be a league winner. I know that people are 430 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: now on the tank Biggs be trained, but I think 431 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 2: that was it's preseason. Like I think you don't draft 432 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: tooting where you do for him to finish the year 433 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: is anything worse than the second running back in terms 434 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: of fantasy production on the team. But so he's still 435 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: got a floory. He won't do anything to you negative 436 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: based on where he's going in ADP outside of the 437 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: top forty. But he has that Bucky Irving league winning upside. 438 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: He's got to sub four three speed. William Cohen just 439 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: transformed the all o line run blocking wise in Tampa 440 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: last year. 441 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: He could do the same for Jacksonville. 442 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: So and they could trade one of those guys ahead 443 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: of them, so like two and. 444 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Crosskey Merrit. 445 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: I think he's more of a sleeper, but I'll still 446 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: mentioned him in League winners because he's just he's got 447 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: a potential to just jump so high in ADP. And 448 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 2: depending on when you're drafting, you know, Sean you mentioned 449 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: sometimes he still does go outside the top fifty. 450 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: I've seen him go in the early thirties. 451 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: So depending on when you're drafting, how soon people might 452 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: not be up on this guy. And if they're trying 453 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: to trade brow, you know, Brian Robinson Junior coming off 454 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: a pretty good year probably means that Bill Corey Krossky 455 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: Merrit is uh is the guy that they're that that 456 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: kind of green with desk. 457 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: That's the guy that's given them that confidence. 458 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: So I could be a league winner ultimately, though, you know, Equer, 459 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: I think still factors in. 460 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: But we also don't really know what's going on with. 461 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: Equack because his role at times kind of dwindled when 462 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: Robinson was healthy last year and then they were using 463 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: Rodriguez and they were using McNichols. So I mean, who 464 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: knows an Echo could just kind of fall off a 465 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 2: question even more this year because he's older. So I 466 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: think there's a lot of upside there too, So Brown, Kamara, 467 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: Tracy Tootin, and Cory Krossky merrit. 468 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like the Brown call, even though he is 469 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: going pretty early, but it looks like he added some 470 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 4: muscle to kind of handle the true workhorse role. You 471 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 4: know he's going to be in looking like James Connor lately. 472 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think he took this offseason seriously knowing 473 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: he's going to be the guy. And he's typically drafted 474 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 4: right before the frozen pond, which makes him even more critical, 475 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 4: where he's like the last running back that goes that 476 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 4: I really have no question marks about, and that again, 477 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 4: that makes him even more valuable. Anytime you can get 478 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 4: a guy like that, like a legit RB one at 479 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 4: that point in the draft, it just makes him even 480 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 4: more valuable. 481 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: And even though he's going early, a league winner. 482 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, I think that that's really the tier, right, 483 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: because there's just I think there's a higher chance than 484 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: usual that a bunch of the guys in the top 485 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 2: five or six, or seven or eight even could bust like, 486 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: you know, all like Henry's older, Barkley a lot of touches, 487 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: McCaffrey older and never stays healthy. I mean, you could 488 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: even you could technically say, you know, Gibbs is in 489 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: a you know, he's still got to, you know, a 490 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 2: role to kind of fight for with Montgomery though I 491 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 2: think he's more in the league winner category. But then 492 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: eight Chan's got question marks now two, So like Bucky Ring, Taylor, 493 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: Chase Brown really kind of stand out in that that 494 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: range because the guys ahead of them could just be 495 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: dropping like flies and then you know they're they're they're 496 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: like you got them later and you still got an 497 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: elite receiver early on so by and avoided the bus. 498 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, like like like that spot for running back. 499 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get to wide receiver in a moment, but 500 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: let's do a segment we're calling Waiver Wire Wisdom, presented 501 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: by Yahoo Fantasy Sean Kerner. When it comes to league winners, 502 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: there are times when you will find them on the 503 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: waver wire or by streaming a player or even a position. 504 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 2: What is your number one tip on using the waiver 505 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: wire and or streaming in season. 506 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so when it comes to the waverwire, it all 507 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 4: depends on your current roster and where you do have 508 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: a weakness on your starting lineup. But if you punt on, 509 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: say the onesie positions like quarterback or tight end, where 510 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: you don't draft one in the first ten rounds, that's 511 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 4: totally fine, and you can start the season with somebody 512 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 4: you like to provide you with some upside or a 513 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 4: solid floor initially, but then you have access to ten 514 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: to fifteen quarterbacks or tight ends that you have league 515 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: winning upside, and the key is to kind of grab 516 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 4: them early on, as soon as it looks like they're 517 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 4: breaking out. That's how teams last year that you know 518 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 4: punted quarterback or tight end ended up with a Baker 519 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 4: Mayfield or Bonix or a Brock Bowers or John Smith's. 520 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: So you can still end up with a really good 521 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 4: quarterback or tight end. You just have to be able 522 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 4: to pounce early on. Wide receiver is probably the trickiest 523 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 4: position to do this because so many are drafted in 524 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 4: the actual draft so it's not as common to have 525 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 4: truly winner just sitting out there on the waiver wire 526 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 4: because if you know, even if one of their teammates 527 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 4: gets injured long term, it's not necessarily one guy that 528 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 4: gets all of those targets, all that usage. Anyway, that 529 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 4: is common at running back positions, So that's why I 530 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 4: tend to, you know, stack up at high upside backup 531 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 4: running backs. And that's why running backs when their counterpart 532 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: goes down, they typically require the top waiver wire or 533 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 4: you know, one hundred percent of your fab budget. So 534 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 4: that's why I try to hoard, you know, gold mines 535 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 4: like that on my bench and then if needed, I 536 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 4: will unload to get a guy that's a clear ad. 537 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I treat each position when 538 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: it comes to waiver wire in season. 539 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: And there is your Yahoo Fantasy Waiver Wire Wisdom segment 540 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: presented by Yahoo Fantasy, is this episode of the Fantasy 541 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: Flex and it is the best time of the year 542 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: with the NFL season right around the corner, fantasy drafts 543 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: in full swing, and this year Kerner and I are 544 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: playing over at Yahoo Fantasy, and they've been taking it 545 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: up a notch in terms of giving you a fantasy 546 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: football experience like never before. 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It's tough to find one just lying around. 566 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: So to speak. 567 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 2: On the wave wire, it's usually going to be those 568 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: guys in you know, the going outside the top you know, 569 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: twenty five or so. But you know in those middle 570 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: tiers that do get drafted in the middle rounds, those 571 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 2: those tend to be the guys who you like as 572 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 2: we wins this year. 573 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, all these guys you probably have to 574 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 4: draft at the draft, but it's jas ends The first guy, uh, 575 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 4: you know, going in that wide receiver two tier, but 576 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: I think he has top five upside. Now that both 577 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 4: dk Metcalf and Tyre Lockett are both gone, this could 578 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 4: be a more run heavy scheme, but I think he's 579 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 4: going to see a ton of targets. They might run 580 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 4: a lot of two wide receiver sets, maybe initially with 581 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 4: Cooper Cup at the beginning of the year, but you know, 582 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: I don't think he has much competition for targets. So 583 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 4: I really see like an Amaan Ross Saint Brown type 584 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 4: of season potentially for him. And you know that's going 585 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 4: to be a steal where he's going so love his 586 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 4: upside here heading into year three. 587 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: Uh. 588 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 4: The second guy's a rookie that I know you were 589 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 4: high on on our sleeper pod. 590 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: I agree. 591 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: I think he has league winning upside, and that's a 592 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: Mecca Abuka who his stock continues to climb because you know, 593 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: Chris Godwin doesn't look like he'll be ready for Week 594 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 4: one or who knows when he'll be back. But that's 595 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: kind of why the Buccaneers drafted Buka in the first round, 596 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: like he could fill in for the Chris Godwin role, 597 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: he could have his own role when Godwin returns. And 598 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 4: you know, now Jalen McMillan looks like he's going to 599 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: miss at least half the season, so Buka looks to 600 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 4: be a lock to be the number two target. And 601 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 4: you know, Mike Evans, he's declining, whether people want to 602 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: admit that or not. I know, he just had his 603 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: what thirteenth thousand yard season in a row, but it 604 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: kind of took a ticki tack. 605 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: End of season. 606 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 4: I mean, they were up by eight it's usually a 607 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 4: victory reformation, but they threw it for him for eight 608 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: yards to barely clear it. So he is on the decline. 609 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 4: So there's a chance Buka could be the number one 610 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 4: target in this offense. So he has massive upside and 611 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: definitely still worth it anytime you get him outside of 612 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 4: the top thirty five in my opinion. Another rookie I 613 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: like is Jayden Higgins typically goes outside the top fifty, 614 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 4: but he reminds me a lot of Nico Collins actually 615 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: and t Higgins kind of a blend of the two, 616 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: but could be an excellent outside receiver and could benefit 617 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 4: from defenses paying too much attention to Nico Collins. So 618 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 4: with this offense, with the running back situation in flux, 619 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: they could be very pass heavy and some like Higgins, 620 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 4: could offer wide receiver three type value potentially more. And 621 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 4: the other the last guy is Jordan Addison, who you 622 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 4: know he's being drafted as like a wide receiver four 623 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: or five, especially now that he's suspended the first three games. 624 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 4: But you know you're not drafting him to play him 625 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 4: the first three weeks anyway. So the fact that he's 626 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 4: he's only suspended for three games, and then you know 627 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: when he comes back, Unlike Brandon Ayuk, we don't know 628 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: what kind of Brandon Ayuke. 629 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: We're going to get. 630 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 4: Jordan Adison's gonna be fully healthy in week four, So 631 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 4: he's a potential wide receiver three plus as soon as available, 632 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 4: and that's you know, that's when by week's hit, that's 633 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 4: when you know injuries happen. So I think Addison could 634 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: be a league winner just where he's going and the 635 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 4: fact that it's easy to survive a three game suspension 636 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 4: from someone like that that you were going to have 637 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 4: on your bench anyway. So I think Addison is very 638 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 4: sneaky at ADP because of that. 639 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm glad JSN because I agree. I think 640 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: you know a lot of times when you hear these buzzwords 641 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: like league, when he kind of conflated a little bit 642 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: with just like straight up sleeper, maybe even deep sleeper, 643 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: but a lot of times just these guys who are 644 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: maybe going. 645 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: A little under the radar. Maybe guy you're drafted, is 646 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: your number two receiver, your number three or four? Uh? 647 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: And JSN, you know he goes pretty early, but I agree. 648 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: I think he has that type of that type of 649 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,719 Speaker 2: upside to be, you know, to go from you know 650 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: what was going on like third fourth round to a 651 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: guy who is worthy of a first round pick. So yep, 652 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: I like that call and I have a similar one, 653 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: and it's it's the guy you mentioned last year. It's 654 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: it's gotta start with Brian Thomas Junior. Because I think 655 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: you know, he goes in the top ten news around 656 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 2: ride receiver eight or so seven or eight. But I 657 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: think Brian Thomason has wide receiver one overall upside. I 658 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: think if there's anyone that's putting up a Jamar Chase 659 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: type season, Jefferson type season, besides those guys, uh BTJ 660 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 2: is the guy that that goes the latest, that has 661 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: that that that potential in this new offense because he's 662 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: I still think he's the best receiver on that team 663 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: with Hunter there, and I'll get to him in a second, 664 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: but just you know, we saw Chris Godwin average you know, 665 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: wide receiver two overall numbers while he was healthy in 666 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: that William Cone offense last year. So this is a 667 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: spot where he's already in Randy Moss territory in terms 668 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: of his rookie year numbers, and now he's getting an 669 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: upgrade pretty much across the board in terms of, you know, 670 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: a guy across from him to take some coverage away, 671 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: better coach, probably probably a better offensive line because of it. 672 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: So I really like Thomas. 673 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: I think he I know, he's still a top a 674 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: top ten guy, but I think he could be. He 675 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: could actually out like outproduce Chase this year. And I 676 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: don't know if people really kind of view you him 677 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: that way yet. 678 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: But I see I can see that for him. 679 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 2: I could see him being that next guy to enter 680 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: that that that company so wanted to mention him, and 681 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 2: then Travis Hunter on the same team because because of 682 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: the ADP. 683 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: I think he has that league winning. 684 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: Upside too, because if Brian Thomas Junior is, you know, 685 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: could put up that type of season, like Hunter could 686 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: be like a t Higgins right where even if he 687 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 2: doesn't play one hundred percent or ninety percent of the 688 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: snaps because whether it's due to injury or due to 689 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: playing some on defense, Uh, you know that's usually Higgins case, 690 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: and he Higgins is usually still right there, you know, 691 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: as the top fifteen guy. So I think Hunter has 692 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: that kind of talent in this offense similar to Evans 693 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 2: Godwin situation last year where you know those you know, 694 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: Godwin was kind of more like a wide receiver three 695 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: borderline even a guy the a couple of years before 696 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: that and just went to boom, top top five guy. 697 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: Hunter has that kind of upside as well. 698 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 2: So, uh, those two guys really stand out as league 699 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: winners and then totally agree with Amecca Buca as well. 700 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Golden another rookie. 701 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: I think you look at the Packers, good coach in 702 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: the floor in terms of offensive play, design, scheme and 703 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: all that stuff. Jordan loved top six in efficiency last year, 704 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: kind of under the radar and he wasn't even healthy. Now, 705 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: Golden probably already the top target in that offense because 706 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: Wickx has missed a ton of time, Watson starting the 707 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 2: year injured, Jayden reed, they cap his snaps, you know, 708 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: they don't play him in in you know, two wide 709 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: or one wide personnel usually, and then Dobbs is kind 710 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: of like he's kind of a placeholder until they get 711 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 2: something better. And you know, I think he's he's not 712 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 2: really a factor in terms of going to take targets 713 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: away if if Golden is emerging, and I think that's 714 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: what's going to happen. So really really like the prospect 715 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: of green Bay having a true, you know, number one 716 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: target who can get open, go downfield, play ninety percent 717 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: of the snaps massive webside for Golden and one other 718 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 2: guy I'll mentioned Stefan Diggs because he's kind of flown 719 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: under the radar with the coming off the injury, it 720 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: sounds like he's gonna be ready for week one, but 721 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: we won't have seen anything from him, and usually I 722 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 2: fade guys who are gonna start that you're injured. So 723 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 2: if Diggs does, for some reason go on the pup 724 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 2: wist or go on some type of injured withst and 725 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 2: scratch that. But it sounds like he's gonna be ready, 726 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 2: and if he is, we love Drake May. There's a 727 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 2: massive gap between Diggs and all the other pass catchers, 728 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: especially at receiver on that team, so Diggs could be 729 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 2: a massive monster target hog. I know he's a little older, 730 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 2: but at this part of the draft, you're you're looking 731 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: at most of the guys who are you know, expected 732 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: to be no better than their number two guy. 733 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: That's why we also like you know, Golden. 734 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 2: And a Buka has a chance to be maybe maybe, 735 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 2: but you know this Mike Evans there, even even like 736 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 2: Hunter wid all the guys are going in this ranger 737 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 2: are more like number two's, whereas Stefan Diggs will be 738 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: far and away. They're number one receiver and potential target 739 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: hog there and you can still get him, you know, 740 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 2: mid to eight thirties in most drafts, So I think 741 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 2: he's flying under the radar. 742 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: They'll probably target him a ton. 743 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: They wouldn't have given him all that money at this 744 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: age if they didn't plan to do that, So yeah, 745 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 2: I think I like Diggs kind of flying under the 746 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: radar here. 747 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love the Golden called Golden is like a 748 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 4: discount version of Technicmillan. I mean, two completely different wide receivers, 749 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 4: but gold looks like as inside track to be the 750 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 4: top target for the Packers all season. And yeah Tech Ncmillan, 751 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 4: same thing with Carolina, but one has Jordan Love throwing 752 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 4: the ball and the other has Trice Young. So Golden 753 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 4: has a similar ceiling to Tech. You can just get 754 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 4: him thirty forty picks later. 755 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's really and I think Abuka starting up, 756 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 2: the same thing is starting to apply to him as well. 757 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, you guys kind of take what the draft 758 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 2: gives you, and I think that those are and Hunter, now, 759 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 2: like all the rookies, I think have better quarterbacks than 760 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: the one going the highest, So yeah, that could be 761 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: a risky pick, but more so I think the other 762 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: guys could be league winners. All right, let's go to 763 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 2: tight end. He called brock Bowers last year, Kate Atton 764 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: as well. So some really good calls for you. 765 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,439 Speaker 1: Where are you going this year, Sean Turner, Leeue winning 766 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 1: tight ends or five? 767 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm going to go outside of the top twelve. 768 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 4: Again, I've said this a million times, but I think 769 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 4: if you miss out on the top three tight ends, 770 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 4: you kind of want to get one of the two 771 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 4: rookies and Tyler Warren or Colson Lovelin. Outside of that, 772 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 4: you're probably playing the waiver wire and there's probably going 773 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 4: to be two to three league winners available. And I 774 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 4: think that the two that I want to point out 775 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 4: are guys that you know there's another tight end that's 776 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 4: kind of suppressing their ADP and for good reasons, but 777 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 4: they have the talent to become a tight end one 778 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 4: even if the other tight end stays healthy, and then 779 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 4: they have, you know, top five upside if the other 780 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 4: tight end were to miss time, which is very realistic. 781 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 4: So the first one's John new Smith, who already talked about, 782 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 4: but you know there's a real chance he's not only 783 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 4: the number two target behind DK Metcalf, he's the number 784 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 4: one target for the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers because Metcalf 785 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 4: has never really been a high volume guy. You know, 786 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 4: he gets a ton of downfill targets, more low percentage targets, 787 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 4: so he could still be in that role. And you know, 788 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 4: John new Smith is seeing more targets than him, and 789 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 4: John new Smith was the top five tight end on 790 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 4: the Dolphins last year where he was taking away targets 791 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 4: from Tyrie Kill, Jalen Waddle and even Devon Chan So 792 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 4: he's been able to command targets wherever he goes. So 793 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 4: he's worth a flyer again to kind of start the 794 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 4: season and see what his role is going to be 795 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 4: in this offense. And the other one is Isaiah Likely, 796 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 4: who already flashed last season that he could put up 797 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 4: tight end one numbers even when Mark Andrews is healthy, 798 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 4: he has top five upside. If Mark Andrews miss his time, 799 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 4: Likely himself could miss Week one. He's still banged up 800 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 4: right now, so he could have a slow start in 801 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,719 Speaker 4: the season, but he's not being drafted anyway, and not 802 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 4: somebody that we're playing Week one. But again, if Mark 803 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 4: andrew if something were to happen to Mark Andrews, he 804 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 4: has top five upsides, so he has league winning upside. 805 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 4: And he's going to be available in you know, ninety 806 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 4: nine percent of leagues. So he's someone to keep tabs on. 807 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 4: Not really a fan of using a roster slot to 808 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 4: have a second tight End, but he similar to you know, 809 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 4: Dallas Goddard years ago, I could make the exception for 810 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 4: if you have the space for it, just given his 811 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 4: top five upside. If Andrews ever missed his time. 812 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. 813 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 2: I mean, and they were already kind of shifting those 814 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 2: roles last year and then uh, you know, it kind 815 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 2: of evened out. I think, you know, this year, we 816 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 2: don't know it could happen again. I mean once like 817 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 2: we we don't know. We know they were probably gonna 818 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: gonna extend him and he was probably gonna be the 819 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: future at tight end. 820 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: Now he's hurt, but that just he's probably free now 821 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: in most weeks. 822 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: So yep, uh yeah, like that for him because I 823 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: think he's he he would peak a little more down 824 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: the stretch anyway. 825 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: Now. 826 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 2: Uh, I'm just gonna highlight the two rookies that I 827 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 2: think these are the guys that you know, outside of 828 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 2: the top three, maybe four, it gets real and I 829 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys are kind of gonna 830 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,800 Speaker 2: be in a in a glut where you could stream 831 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,760 Speaker 2: the position in every week there will be different guys, 832 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 2: and the guys being drafted, you know six seven, like 833 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 2: Kelsey and Ingram and the Joker. I don't know if 834 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 2: they're gonna be consistent so league winners. I think Coaston 835 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: Lovelin first of all, because Ben Johnson, we know I 836 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 2: would use reporter. I know, I know Commit is kind 837 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 2: of mixing in and but their roles have been interchangeable 838 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 2: in the preseason, so like uh Loven could easily take 839 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 2: all those snaps. But either way, the fact that they 840 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 2: went out and drafted him when they already had Commit 841 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 2: on the team says a lot about what Ben Johnson 842 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: wants to do. 843 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: And I think with DJ Moore, you. 844 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 2: Know, he's a certain type of receiver where he might 845 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 2: not be a true target hog in this offense that 846 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 2: he was in, you know at times last year and 847 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 2: Dune Day. You know, he could be more of a 848 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 2: downfield guy with lower percent lower percentage route runner. Burden 849 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 2: hasn't even cracked the top three yet, so what wand 850 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 2: could be the number one target on the Bears as 851 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 2: soon as this year. And I think either way, he's 852 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 2: going to play a ton of snaps. I'm not worried 853 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 2: about cole Comit too much. I think that it's clear 854 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 2: that when you draft a guy, you know, in the 855 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: top fifteen at tight end, you're going to play him. 856 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 2: Whether it's because you're just running all too tight end 857 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 2: or whatnot, you're going to play this guy. 858 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: So no concerns there. And then Tyler Warren, I know that, 859 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: you know the. 860 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 2: Quarterback is concerns are valid, but there's just not many 861 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 2: tight ends to speak of that truly could be difference makers. 862 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 2: There's you know, Bowers could be one hundred catch, guy 863 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: mcgride the same. And then you got Kiddo who he's 864 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 2: like the touchdown guy and just super efficient. But after 865 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 2: that it gets really shaky. Laporta we even saw him 866 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 2: take a step back. Hockinson, we've seen him take step back. 867 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: Kelsey Old Andrew's weird bro last year. I mean, everyone 868 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: has hosts of polk. So Tyler Warren, they're gonna use 869 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 2: him in a ton of ways. He slipped in the 870 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 2: draft to them, and he could he could be their 871 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,240 Speaker 2: number one, the colast number one target because yeah, Downs 872 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 2: and Pittman have been very good for them, but they've 873 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: never had a tight end. It's always been to Kylon 874 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 2: Grantson and whatnot. So Warren, given where he was drafted, 875 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 2: given how they could put the ball in his hands 876 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 2: in a number of different ways, I think he has 877 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: just massive upside as well, and you just can't overthink it. 878 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, for me, it's just those two rookies. 879 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Loveland is odds on favorite to be 880 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,720 Speaker 4: this year's Rock Bowers. And yet you have to remember 881 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 4: the Bears took Loveland when Tyler Warren was on the board, Yeah, 882 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 4: which was a bit of a surprise. So it's not like, 883 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 4: oh they kind of like Loveland fellow them. They went 884 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 4: out of their way to get them. So they certainly 885 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 4: have big plans for him, and I think, yeah, his 886 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 4: ADP's kind of suppressed because Cole Kmetz there. That could 887 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 4: be like Michael Mayer last year, where it doesn't even 888 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 4: matter He's going to be a top target in this offense. 889 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, we could see the trend of these rookie 890 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 4: tight ends hitting ear one. 891 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 2: It's probably better if co Comett and and Loveland around 892 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 2: the field at the same time because co Cobt's target 893 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 2: per route rate was like you're zero came with Williams 894 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,439 Speaker 2: over the last half of the season anyway, so uh yeah, 895 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't see too much to it. Same like johnas 896 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 2: Smith's in Friar moves like, same thing, Like they could 897 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 2: both coexist and you know, given and one and John 898 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,960 Speaker 2: who could have massive upside there likely as well with Andrews, 899 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: I could. Just I think these are the type of 900 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 2: guys to kind of take a fire on, uh if 901 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,919 Speaker 2: you're if you're gonna uh pade the top three, which 902 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 2: most people are gonna whether it's by choice or not, 903 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 2: because there's only three people can get the top three 904 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 2: tight ends. 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