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Speaker 1: It is season four, episode seventeen. It gets the worst
Speaker 1: at night. A lot of depressing titles for our show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, especially for a happy episode. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: having this uplifting moment after a lot of actual depression
Speaker 1: and sadness, and then they're like, let's just keep the titles.
Speaker 1: Really sad. I know, I don't know why, because it
Speaker 1: really was a fun episode. Scaruly having this episode of
Speaker 1: Aaron May nine, two thousand and seven. The synopsis is
Speaker 1: that the teens of Tree Hill that would be US,
Speaker 1: mount a rescue mission to treeve Marvin from his ill
Speaker 1: advised road trip with Rachel. While on the trip, Haley
Speaker 1: and Nathan get a second chance to enjoy the prom well,
Speaker 1: and I guess Brooke and Peyton do too, and we
Speaker 1: actually danced, and Lucas and Peyton decided to take their
Speaker 1: relationship to the next level. Brooke tells Haley that she lied.
Speaker 1: She was the one who lied about stealing the calculus
Speaker 1: exam and Nathan struggles with the residue of a past
Speaker 1: mistake and we went to Honeygrove. We sure, did we
Speaker 1: have my Honeygrove Texas hat? I have? I just found
Speaker 1: a whole thing in my attic full of Honeygrove paraphernalia,
Speaker 1: like like the police. It's like a badge. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: police badge. Why did you have a police badge? We
Speaker 1: like remember single, no, every single I don't know, organization
Speaker 1: and Honeygrove came out for this. I mean we had
Speaker 1: law enforcement, the fired apartment, and the public school system
Speaker 1: and the mayor and everybody came out. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was so wild because we originally got into Paris, Texas. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: how did we even end up in Honeygrove? There was
Speaker 1: a contest, but it was submissions from all over the
Speaker 1: United States or something like what was the ya? Does
Speaker 1: anyone remember? So I remember, and I don't remember where
Speaker 1: we launched it. I can't remember if they made us
Speaker 1: do commercials or if they were running radio ads. But
Speaker 1: they got fans to submit videos, and they asked like,
Speaker 1: as a team of friends, you know, get get your
Speaker 1: sort of high school crew and tell our high school
Speaker 1: crew why they should come and do prom with you guys.
Speaker 1: And these kids from Honeygrove just made the most charming video.
Speaker 1: And they toured us around the town, and they took
Speaker 1: us through the school and they talked to us about,
Speaker 1: you know, everything that they were doing and what they
Speaker 1: were into and why they related to Tree Hill. And
Speaker 1: I remember, to Hillary's point, we got into Paris, Texas
Speaker 1: late at night. That's where the motel was because there
Speaker 1: wasn't even a place for us to stay in Honeygrove, right,
Speaker 1: And as we filmed there, we started to learn about,
Speaker 1: you know, this phenomena that happens, you know, not just
Speaker 1: around America, but all sorts of places when you go
Speaker 1: through these huge generational changes and industry changes, and these
Speaker 1: towns that once had some big industry no longer dis Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Honeygrove was in this process. You know, not to
Speaker 1: be morbid, but it's it's what they said to us.
Speaker 1: It's stuck with me. They said, you know, we're a
Speaker 1: town that's in the process of dying, and wow, I
Speaker 1: remember like having to hold back tears, and so I
Speaker 1: think that was part of the reason, you know, coming
Speaker 1: in with all of us and a two hundred person
Speaker 1: crew and tour buses and music and all the stuff.
Speaker 1: It you're right, Hill, everybody came out. It was like
Speaker 1: a festival, Like we threw a festival for five days.
Speaker 1: It was so special to be a part of that
Speaker 1: with them, and it was fun. Yeah. I liked, you know,
Speaker 1: roll in at night, we couldn't see anything. We wake
Speaker 1: up the next morning and there's like a fake Eiffel Tower,
Speaker 1: but then it's really As we drove out to Honey Grove,
Speaker 1: it's all, you know, it's like a lot of farmland.
Speaker 1: And I remember being super creeped out at seeing like coyotes,
Speaker 1: being just like no baby tacked up on the fence post.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Yeah, do you remember that, Just seeing like
Speaker 1: skulls and pelts and stuff, And I was like, what
Speaker 1: where going on? I had the first because you know,
Speaker 1: I get real nostalgic about touching old things, which is
Speaker 1: why I go to the flea market every weekend. And
Speaker 1: when we first drove into town and it was like
Speaker 1: Golden hour in the morning because we have to get
Speaker 1: up so freaking early. And I was like, look at
Speaker 1: these old grain silos and the fading paint. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. Is that a dead animal? Like? It
Speaker 1: shook me out of my beautiful like the revery real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. You know, I've been around taxidermy my
Speaker 1: whole life. I just never seen anything just like tact
Speaker 1: upon a fence before. That was that was too rich
Speaker 1: for me. That practice. What's the wonder what the point
Speaker 1: of that is? I think maybe it's supposed to like
Speaker 1: ward off other predators or it seems like a lot.
Speaker 1: And then I remember referencing it with the high school
Speaker 1: kids and they were just like, oh, yeah, that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a weird thing that the older generation does.
Speaker 1: We don't do that, because I do think there is
Speaker 1: a lot of cool stuff about how a young person
Speaker 1: grows up in a town like this. You know, we
Speaker 1: have TV and movies and so you're exposed to the
Speaker 1: wider world even though you live kind of in this
Speaker 1: little bubble. Yeah, And so the kids of Honeygrove had
Speaker 1: like a million questions and did you go over to
Speaker 1: their house that night? We went and we did a
Speaker 1: watch party. I wish one of the kids houses. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I was like really stuck in a weird place in
Speaker 1: life at that time, and I just wasn't being very
Speaker 1: social and I regret it deeply. While there was a
Speaker 1: really cute little boy that was like a musician and
Speaker 1: he knew that our show was all about music, and
Speaker 1: so we went and we did this watch party at
Speaker 1: the house of this group of girls. And this kid
Speaker 1: was like, what was he like an eighth or ninth grade?
Speaker 1: I think he was definitely like freshman energy. I loved him.
Speaker 1: He played like a senior. I mean, he played like
Speaker 1: a boss, and we were all like, okay, honey, And
Speaker 1: it was so fun to just like find this kid
Speaker 1: that we would have never been exposed to otherwise and
Speaker 1: celebrate that he had this amazing gift and go to
Speaker 1: a local house party. I love fantastic. I love that.
Speaker 1: I wish we had been able to do that with
Speaker 1: our show more go out on the road and connect
Speaker 1: with yeah people, you know, the people in the towns
Speaker 1: that those kids that are watching our show and feeling
Speaker 1: so connected to us because that's who we were to them,
Speaker 1: just kids in a small town. Yeah, it felt real.
Speaker 1: You know, it felt really real that when we watched
Speaker 1: the party back, you guys said it, it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: we didn't have to do anything to pump these extras up.
Speaker 1: Away was a real party. They all just showed up.
Speaker 1: They were so happy to be there. I loved. I
Speaker 1: loved looking at the landscape when you know, anytime I
Speaker 1: go into a small town that's like, that's like that
Speaker 1: kind of deserted and there's all these old buildings from
Speaker 1: the forties, fifties, and sixties. You can see it was
Speaker 1: once really thriving and then yeah, as you said, whatever
Speaker 1: the industry was left. I always wonder what that's like
Speaker 1: growing up in a high school like that. I didn't
Speaker 1: well at all. You've seen Last Picture Show, right, Remind
Speaker 1: me it's a Larry McMurtry book, Last Picture Show, And
Speaker 1: then they made the movie of it, his Sybil Shepherd,
Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't see it. What is it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's incredible. It's about a small town
Speaker 1: in Texas, right, And I want to say they filmed
Speaker 1: it in the seventies, but it's about the fifties, and
Speaker 1: it is identical to the narrative that we experienced while
Speaker 1: we were there in the two thousands, and so it's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to look at our episode of our
Speaker 1: show where the main Street has the exact same aesthetic
Speaker 1: as this classic American film and classic American novel, and
Speaker 1: it's existed, you know for a hundred Well, that is Americana.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's that feeling that you get
Speaker 1: where it's the old and the new kind of all
Speaker 1: merging together and all of this kind of country culture.
Speaker 1: I think it's so interesting, and I know that it
Speaker 1: probably feels really boring to the kids that are growing
Speaker 1: up there, But what they don't realize is that they're
Speaker 1: going to turn into that older generation that's perfectly fine,
Speaker 1: where yeah, it's like I just want my land. No
Speaker 1: one talked to me exactly like I'm happy, Just leave
Speaker 1: me alone, let me enjoy my life. You don't know
Speaker 1: that when you're sixteen go to the city to say, well,
Speaker 1: we really did have a good time. And this episode
Speaker 1: definitely address that older generation. We have to address the
Speaker 1: Dan and Karen of it all, because on Earth it
Speaker 1: carried through the whole episode and I gagged every time.
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like because they're look, they're doing
Speaker 1: this parallel path with Dan and Karen getting more intimate
Speaker 1: and him being sweet to her and her saying maybe
Speaker 1: I could love him, and you know, it's it's obviously
Speaker 1: moy was doing such a beautiful job in the Unseid
Speaker 1: in her performance, because you see it scratching this old
Speaker 1: itch or healing this old wound, you know, the Dan
Speaker 1: and Karen of high school years, and it's parallel pathed
Speaker 1: with Lucas getting closer and closer to the Abbey reveal
Speaker 1: he realizes who she is. He's looking for her in
Speaker 1: this episode. So I feel like the writers are making
Speaker 1: Dan and Karen lean so far in so that when
Speaker 1: Abby's secret is known by all of us, it'll feel
Speaker 1: like a bigger gut punch. Yeah, for sure that the strategy, right,
Speaker 1: Isn't that why this is happening? It has to be.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, each of the Dan and Karen
Speaker 1: scenes where he's like, I want to be here for
Speaker 1: you and the baby. I would be mad if you
Speaker 1: didn't call me. That's a very Lucas Scott move. You know,
Speaker 1: when he stays to make breakfast, when he finally admits
Speaker 1: to her. He's like, I haven't felt this way since
Speaker 1: I was seventeen and very much in love. You know,
Speaker 1: he's admitting she's the only woman that he's ever loved.
Speaker 1: All of those scenes bookend either a Haley and Nathan scene,
Speaker 1: and it's these two boys of Dan Scott are also
Speaker 1: more in love than they've ever been at seventeen, and
Speaker 1: so are they? Which one of them is going to
Speaker 1: end up like their dad? Yeah? Which one of them
Speaker 1: is going to be the one that really thought they
Speaker 1: were in love at seventeen? And then yeah? And then
Speaker 1: pulled the rug out. I cringe every time I watched Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dan and Karen stuff, because you just can It's
Speaker 1: it's the it's the babysitter running upstairs when the intruder
Speaker 1: comes in the house, Like, don't go upstairs. Every time
Speaker 1: I watched Karen and Dan, I'm like, don't do it.
Speaker 1: And also, is tree Hill so small? It's so small
Speaker 1: that there's nobody else to make out with. It's this
Speaker 1: like she's needing closure. I mean that has to It's
Speaker 1: so human, right, Like it's got to feel good to
Speaker 1: her on some level, Like eventually, after all this time,
Speaker 1: he couldn't resist coming back to her. There's, you know,
Speaker 1: on some level that's got to feel good to her ego.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not saying I don't think Karen is
Speaker 1: like obsessed with her ego at all. But we're human,
Speaker 1: like the things that make us feel good it's hard
Speaker 1: to run away from. So if you have your hand
Speaker 1: up you're like, no, I'm just like I'm dying because
Speaker 1: you're giving this really lovely answer, And all I could
Speaker 1: think of Hill when you were like, it's tree Hill.
Speaker 1: Really that's small, I'm like, well, we made tree Hill,
Speaker 1: and the only people any of us ever kiss, we're
Speaker 1: all of each other. So clearly there was nobody else
Speaker 1: to make allway, Hilary. I mean, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: admit to all the people I kissed, but I found
Speaker 1: a bigger bubble there was. There was a little teeny
Speaker 1: tiny tunnel under the screen dram studio with exit and
Speaker 1: find other people. Um um. But to your point, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I worry that Karen doesn't have
Speaker 1: any friends to tell her, like she really run into
Speaker 1: the house year has no girlfriends. Well, and what an
Speaker 1: interesting thing that one of the tactics when you look
Speaker 1: at you know, the wheel that they show you in
Speaker 1: therapy if you've ever been in an abusive relationship, and
Speaker 1: they say, here's how you need to understand the system
Speaker 1: of how these relationships work. One of the biggest chunks
Speaker 1: of the wheel is isolation. Yeah, abusive partners isolate you,
Speaker 1: so you have nobody to go to as a sounding
Speaker 1: board to talk about what's happening to you and say, hey,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, and it's really interesting to me that
Speaker 1: in the landscape of the show. You know, for reasons
Speaker 1: that we're probably less philosophical, probably just the fact that,
Speaker 1: again they didn't want to spend too much money on
Speaker 1: too many actors. They weren't going to cast friends. For Karen,
Speaker 1: she had deb or whatever. But she is an isolated
Speaker 1: woman who is being manipulated by this person who she's
Speaker 1: already been in this abusive cycle with, and he is
Speaker 1: love bombing her, and he is he is bending the
Speaker 1: truth to fit his narrative so that she will love him.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh man, it makes like every alarm
Speaker 1: bell in my body go off. Yeah, I memorize that
Speaker 1: chart it. I want better for her. Yeah, who does
Speaker 1: her hair? Do you know what I mean like clearly
Speaker 1: cut her hair. Yeah, like what hairdresser? Inn isn't like
Speaker 1: why she doesn't talk to anyone. Well, the one person
Speaker 1: she did start talking to was Deb but now obviously
Speaker 1: that's the table. She can't talk to Deb about this.
Speaker 1: I know she can't talk to the kids. I mean,
Speaker 1: at least she keeps that boundary. She's not like sitting
Speaker 1: Haley down and being like listen speaking of female friendship.
Speaker 1: The Brook and Haley falling out in this episode, and
Speaker 1: it's so uncomfortable. I mean, I get it. I get
Speaker 1: why Haley was upset. I do. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe it's is she overreacting? Well, she didn't
Speaker 1: get fired. No, I don't think she's overreacting at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's either. I think what I appreciate
Speaker 1: about it is the fact that this storyline, for us
Speaker 1: deals with complexity in a real way, like we acknowledge
Speaker 1: how complicated this is. Brooke says, I wanted to tell you,
Speaker 1: but then she said I wouldn't graduate. I'm also gonna
Speaker 1: lose my job, Like I don't know what to do,
Speaker 1: and Haley's like, yeah, but I lost my job. It's
Speaker 1: a fight about things it's not just you said this
Speaker 1: and hurt my feelings and no, no no, non in and
Speaker 1: no no, not about boys, which is nice. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: it's about real complicated moments and when when we make
Speaker 1: a wrong choice and then it sends us down a
Speaker 1: rabbit hole and everything only gets worse, and the things
Speaker 1: we're trying to hold onto, and just all of it,
Speaker 1: and even the fact that you say in that scene, yeah,
Speaker 1: I lost my job, but you should graduate, Brooks says,
Speaker 1: I get that, but you're my friend. It we get
Speaker 1: to explore all the layers of why this would be
Speaker 1: such a hard thing for two people to talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I really appreciate that, because you're right. Sometimes when
Speaker 1: the characters are fighting over a boy, it's like, really,
Speaker 1: we're gonna act like this is important, This is something
Speaker 1: really important, is important. Yeah, And I love I love
Speaker 1: that Brooke owned up to it. I thought that was
Speaker 1: really cool because it would have been really easy for
Speaker 1: her to just let it go. And those are the
Speaker 1: kiel being gone. Absolutely, Rachel's gone, so like the scapegoat's gone.
Speaker 1: There's no reason to there's no reason except for her
Speaker 1: own character, her own meaning integrity to do that. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. I buy Hayley's anger.
Speaker 1: It's the betrayal. It's like, now I look stupid because
Speaker 1: I've been making fun of this girl for like weeks now,
Speaker 1: about this girl for weeks now. She didn't do it
Speaker 1: like it was you. What's interesting to me is that
Speaker 1: Brooke does some revisionist history and says I did it.
Speaker 1: She just took the fall, when in reality, no, Rachel
Speaker 1: hatched a plan and you two did it together. But
Speaker 1: but Brooke knows that she's the one who should have
Speaker 1: done it differently. Yeah, and I like, I kind of
Speaker 1: like a move. Yeah, I do like it, especially because
Speaker 1: all that's happening in this episode is Rachel is just
Speaker 1: being on the Oh god, what is going on? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what's going on? Yeah, it's so grossery and
Speaker 1: you know what would hit me? And maybe it's because
Speaker 1: we were in another high school and we're having this conversation,
Speaker 1: these conversations about what it means that this moment is
Speaker 1: almost over, and I think about Chris Keller being like, oh,
Speaker 1: Rachel and all her plastic parts, and then the guys
Speaker 1: in the jail are talking about her plastic surgery, and
Speaker 1: then you're talking about it and everybody, and it made
Speaker 1: me think of the time capsule when Brooke says to camera,
Speaker 1: no matter what you do as a girl, you know,
Speaker 1: the paraphrasing is, no matter what you do, it's always wrong.
Speaker 1: If you're fat and dumb and you're a guy, it's fine,
Speaker 1: but if you're a girl, not so much. And if
Speaker 1: you're if you're sexy, you're a horn. And if you're
Speaker 1: not sexy, you're a prude. Girls can never be enough.
Speaker 1: And we had an adult writing an episode about a
Speaker 1: teenager who, by the way he wrote, to have had
Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Yeah, and then all anybody does is make
Speaker 1: fun of her plastic surgery and act like because she's
Speaker 1: she's so pretty, but she didn't earn it so ker
Speaker 1: and it's not so gross. It's like, no matter what
Speaker 1: you are, they will rip you to shreds. Even I mean,
Speaker 1: mouth is talking about something totally benign. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what he was saying, because I got so thrown
Speaker 1: off by Chris Keller going bitches, Like I'm just horrible
Speaker 1: over that. I'm so over men just calling women bitches
Speaker 1: as though it's a completely acceptable way of communicating. Yeah, Mouth,
Speaker 1: that was our boss's monologue. Oh yeah, and remember what
Speaker 1: we were talking about while we watched the episode. Okay,
Speaker 1: so guys, we obviously read your messages and we've noticed
Speaker 1: this for a while, and it hit us listening to
Speaker 1: that insane MONOLOGU there's always going to be somebody else
Speaker 1: with her, and you know what, I realized, and yes,
Speaker 1: are naked, but I didn't. The whole thing is so gross,
Speaker 1: and so many of you say my horse, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I had to let her go, but oh, it's just disgusting,
Speaker 1: and so many fans will say, like in this whole
Speaker 1: Mouth Shelley Rachel period fans will write in, they'll tweet us,
Speaker 1: they'll dm us and say, we don't recognize Mouth anymore.
Speaker 1: And this version of him is so gross. It's because
Speaker 1: this isn't Mouth. It's our boss writing himself as the
Speaker 1: I'm such a nice guy and all the sexy girls
Speaker 1: don't want to have sex with me, and isn't it
Speaker 1: sad for me? But I'm so much better than them.
Speaker 1: And that's why we look at the episode and go,
Speaker 1: who is that guy? We don't recognize that guy because
Speaker 1: poor Lee had to deliver these gross guy monologues that
Speaker 1: we're targeted at the young women on our show, and
Speaker 1: you're right, joy. But when Lee's doing Our Boss's monologue
Speaker 1: out loud as his dialogue, then Chris is like, get bitches,
Speaker 1: And then all the guys in the prison are like, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're just surrounded by all these hot bitches. You're a
Speaker 1: stud bro, and it's like, oh so and demoralizing. It
Speaker 1: really is a man well. And also Mouth swore to Shelley.
Speaker 1: He swore to Shelley he wasn't going to tell anybody
Speaker 1: that's right had sex because he knew how important her
Speaker 1: identity as a clean teen was to her. And what
Speaker 1: does he do. He tells every single person he can,
Speaker 1: his best friends and perfect strangers. And if you look
Speaker 1: at our Boss's life at the time, he was in
Speaker 1: a relationship that he'd been in since he was very young.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how he felt in that relationship.
Speaker 1: But Mouth was in a relationship with Shelley. She didn't
Speaker 1: make me feel like I was good enough. I was
Speaker 1: never good enough. What he said, Oh I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love this. You're on it, go dude. He says,
Speaker 1: Shelly made me feel not good enough. And that's when
Speaker 1: Chris Keller's like, bitches, and then he says with Rachel,
Speaker 1: I knew it was a lie, but she was flirting
Speaker 1: with me. That is a hundred percent our boss talking.
Speaker 1: And he calls Rachel a pain reliever and he says,
Speaker 1: you know, she told me I was good enough. All
Speaker 1: I wanted was to amaze Shelley and I couldn't. And
Speaker 1: it's like, what what it is so out of context,
Speaker 1: it just comes out of nowhere. It's a pure example
Speaker 1: of someone in power wanting to use their platform for
Speaker 1: their own messaging of and processing whatever was going on
Speaker 1: with him. It had nothing to do with the show.
Speaker 1: It was not best for any of the characters. It
Speaker 1: wasn't best for any of the actors. It was just
Speaker 1: totally selfish and gross. And every turn he got think
Speaker 1: about this. This is when Danielle left, this punished in
Speaker 1: this episode, Like that was a conversation we all had
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Everyone's going to get to go do
Speaker 1: this fun trip and you don't get you to do
Speaker 1: and you don't get to play well. So don't forget this.
Speaker 1: In the timeline, Danielle has left, They've given her, not
Speaker 1: even an exit. She just disappears and everybody talks about
Speaker 1: her she disappeared. This is also in real life when
Speaker 1: she began dating her now husband, who was the gorgeous
Speaker 1: guy at the bar that mouth is talking about. That's
Speaker 1: our boss talking about how jealous of Danielle's husband he was.
Speaker 1: And the entire episode when she has just disappeared from
Speaker 1: the face of the earth. In terms of Tree Hill,
Speaker 1: all anybody does is talk about her body. We do
Speaker 1: eight jokes in a row about why would he need
Speaker 1: ass he's with Rachel. It's over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over again. And then the way they made it
Speaker 1: okay is that when Brooke is the last person to
Speaker 1: say it, everyone goes assistance in unison and it's like
Speaker 1: it's just a joke. It's a sitcom joke. But when
Speaker 1: you really look at it, you see how it was
Speaker 1: all so insidious and a hand that we were all
Speaker 1: so I guess living in a time it's just cultural,
Speaker 1: living in a time when it was still acceptable to
Speaker 1: see that in the script, and none of us were
Speaker 1: like marching in there like how yeah, dare you Like
Speaker 1: that's just where you know we were. We had an
Speaker 1: understanding of the context of the ceiling of what we
Speaker 1: could do that yeah, you know, and at that age
Speaker 1: and just what it was like this we don't know
Speaker 1: what else could we do, and now obviously we know,
Speaker 1: but and by the way, it is part of the reason,
Speaker 1: because don't forget we would complain. So when when it's
Speaker 1: just Chris Keller saying bitches, or some guy who's a
Speaker 1: guest star for one episode who says something gross about
Speaker 1: her body in the jail and doesn't know the greater
Speaker 1: context of what we're dealing with, we did complain. And
Speaker 1: it's why they made the ass joke you and then
Speaker 1: you and then you and then you and then New
Speaker 1: and then all in unison, and it's like, well, if
Speaker 1: we take it out, we have no scene. They figured
Speaker 1: out ways to force us into these positions. And it's
Speaker 1: not that I'm look, I love filthy humor and I
Speaker 1: love you know it's a little bit, but when it's
Speaker 1: targeted at someone rather than simple humor exactly, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel good. And I don't like that that we
Speaker 1: were all used in this episode to just pile on
Speaker 1: our friend because she said to her grown up married boss,
Speaker 1: please stop hitting on me, and please stop touching me,
Speaker 1: and please stop trying to make out with me at
Speaker 1: bars I'm very uncomfortable, like that should just be the
Speaker 1: bare minimum, the bare minimum. My god, this was a
Speaker 1: nightmare period. Like I love this trip. I am that
Speaker 1: still wear the long sleeve grateful Dead T shirt that
Speaker 1: we wear when we arrive on Honey Grow. I have it.
Speaker 1: I wear it once a week. It is so thin
Speaker 1: right now, but it's because we we self edit. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember going to the hotel bar. Do you
Speaker 1: guys remember where we stayed. There was a road crew
Speaker 1: that was also being put up at the hotel because
Speaker 1: it was that cool two story motel you shaped with
Speaker 1: the courtyard in the middle. It was like, yep, it
Speaker 1: was like being at summer camp. And they had the
Speaker 1: hotel bar and it was the only place to go.
Speaker 1: And so we had all these like union you know,
Speaker 1: like road crew dudes hanging out in this bar. And
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, tree Hill descends right and
Speaker 1: so I went with Jojo and I learned had a
Speaker 1: two step from a bunch of those dudes. But I like,
Speaker 1: I danced with those dudes. I had a great time.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That's the stuff that's like nice
Speaker 1: to cling to because that trip is also when our
Speaker 1: boss assaulted me. And so it's like the duality that
Speaker 1: we're seeing in the scenes also was existing behind the scene,
Speaker 1: because it's like, how do I have a good time
Speaker 1: but also have this memory of just wanting a yack?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, I think you bring up a really
Speaker 1: important thing, and I gotta say, hats off to you.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if you were going to say that part,
Speaker 1: you know, on the show or not, but people assume
Speaker 1: that you've either had this like very intense moment, you know,
Speaker 1: you've been assaulted, like in an alley by a stranger
Speaker 1: and it was horrible. Most of what you know, statistically
Speaker 1: we all go through is something happens with someone you know.
Speaker 1: And you had this horrific moment with our boss that
Speaker 1: was so unacceptable, and it was inside of a container
Speaker 1: of many days of great memories. And that's I think
Speaker 1: where it's sticky and where we as a society need
Speaker 1: to get a little bit better about understanding that many
Speaker 1: things are true. At the same time, we have beautiful
Speaker 1: memories of Honeygrove, of those kids, of that part we
Speaker 1: went to to watch that episode of those amazing guys
Speaker 1: teaching everybody to country dance at the bar and you
Speaker 1: had like a car crash of an incident with a
Speaker 1: grown up that was supposed to be your mentor, and
Speaker 1: he was abusive and creepy to you. Yeah, and had
Speaker 1: just put you through filming an episode where you were
Speaker 1: exactly abused. Well. He also when we announced honey Grove,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are aware like how
Speaker 1: we announced it, but remember we secretly flew into honey
Speaker 1: Grove and went to a school PEP rally, and so
Speaker 1: he decided that it was going to be just me
Speaker 1: and him, and so just me and him had to
Speaker 1: fly to honey Grove, just me and him, went and
Speaker 1: did the announcement, just me and him flew home together.
Speaker 1: The flight back from that is when he assaulted me.
Speaker 1: He assaulted me again in the car on the drive
Speaker 1: from Raleigh to Wilmington. He went straight to set and
Speaker 1: he told Daniel that he and I made out the
Speaker 1: whole time and it was fun, and he was trying
Speaker 1: to make her jealous, and so she confronted me about
Speaker 1: it and was like, what are you doing? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You know, And so then
Speaker 1: we had to go on this trip with him, and
Speaker 1: this was really like the last three months where my
Speaker 1: blood was boiling and I didn't know how to process
Speaker 1: it anymore. And you can see it in the episode.
Speaker 1: You can see that I'm not there, you know, like
Speaker 1: I'm doing all these scenes with Chad, but I look
Speaker 1: like and I kind of like, just don't I'm not
Speaker 1: connecting in any way because I was so in like
Speaker 1: I don't know, shell mode. And my reaction to that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff is to not let it ruin my
Speaker 1: good time. My rebellion is to be like, oh, you
Speaker 1: wanted to like assert your power, cool, cool, would have
Speaker 1: a great time and laugh extra hard with my friends. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well so my memory of Honeygrove is like partying with
Speaker 1: James Lafferty. I knew a party with Jay. I'm bardied
Speaker 1: with Laugherd and Honey. But by the way I think
Speaker 1: that is, I'm We're very similar in that way, and
Speaker 1: I think part of what breeds that response. You know,
Speaker 1: I've I've I've said it before on this podcast. We've
Speaker 1: all talked a lot about it. The response to mistreatment
Speaker 1: for me is usually, Oh, you think you're gonna with
Speaker 1: my integrity, watch this, I'm gonna be early. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: know my lines and everybody else's. I'm gonna like watch me,
Speaker 1: and when everybody goes out, I'm gonna have the best time.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna wonder how I could be having so
Speaker 1: much fun with you in the room. And I've come
Speaker 1: to realize it's a self protective thing. And I think
Speaker 1: when people wonder why that reaction comes into play. What
Speaker 1: I want to highlight, especially for you in this moment.
Speaker 1: This is season four, we're on six year contracts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is no you don't like it, you get to leave, No,
Speaker 1: you don't. They literally own you. Yeah, it's a legal
Speaker 1: battle to leave because they own you, and so you
Speaker 1: can't get away from it. You can't quit it, and
Speaker 1: it's hard. So you have to figure out how to
Speaker 1: cope inside of the place that you know you have
Speaker 1: to show up in every day. Yeah, I hope it's
Speaker 1: okay for me to ask this, But why didn't you
Speaker 1: ever report and when that happened? Oh? I did? I
Speaker 1: told all sorts of people. You did? I mean, honey,
Speaker 1: I told everybody and people saw it. What's interesting about
Speaker 1: the culture now? People Chad walked up and goes, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Right? He said that to him. He
Speaker 1: said that to our boss in the bar, he watched
Speaker 1: our boss grabbed me in front of a lot of people.
Speaker 1: And you know, Chad didn't have anything to lose because
Speaker 1: he knew our boss hated him anyway. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of people had a lot to lose. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you don't speak up when you have a lot to lose.
Speaker 1: But he felt so comfortable that that was not something
Speaker 1: that he had a problem with. You know, I can
Speaker 1: do whatever I want to her in public with her
Speaker 1: boyfriend's standing there at that time. You have to remember,
Speaker 1: like Desperate Housewives was the biggest show on TV and
Speaker 1: Nicolette Sheriton was going through hell because she'd been assaulted
Speaker 1: on set and they dragged her through the mud. That's right.
Speaker 1: It was that era, right, Like it just hadn't It
Speaker 1: didn't matter even you know the thing with her friends,
Speaker 1: the writer in the friend's room that you know you
Speaker 1: had talked about with HR meetings and if like people
Speaker 1: you are related to on set aren't acting alarmed, right,
Speaker 1: Like I was surrounded by men that I had relationships with,
Speaker 1: my brother, my boyfriend, my boyfriend's dad, my boyfriend's uncle,
Speaker 1: Like they were all like whatever they were all like,
Speaker 1: you're such a trooper, you know, Like, so that was
Speaker 1: the sentiment. No one was ever like, whoa, yeah, we
Speaker 1: got a handle that. It wasn't until I went to
Speaker 1: my next job. Yeah, and they culture you to handle it.
Speaker 1: But to be clear, because people want to say, oh,
Speaker 1: it was a different time ten years later, in the
Speaker 1: same way you were going through this on your set,
Speaker 1: this is what I was dealing with on my next set.
Speaker 1: It's pervasive. It wasn't then. It was all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, years later, in the same way that
Speaker 1: you were going through this stuff and our boss was
Speaker 1: doing this to you in front of people, it hit
Speaker 1: me that exactly what was happening to you at this
Speaker 1: time in North Carolina, that's what was happening to me
Speaker 1: years later. Yeah, in front of rooms full of men,
Speaker 1: and you know, my sweet a camera operator would pull
Speaker 1: me aside and go, I want to punch the cat
Speaker 1: of that guy. I've got to pay for my kids
Speaker 1: to go to school, and I can't. What do you need?
Speaker 1: And the people who were in charge, like your boyfriend's
Speaker 1: dad and uncle and all those people who said nothing,
Speaker 1: The people who were in charge that I went to
Speaker 1: said nothing when I reported my first assault on set,
Speaker 1: which was witnessed by people, to my boss, who had
Speaker 1: flown in from La. Again, you get put in a
Speaker 1: different city and they can get away with a lot.
Speaker 1: His response was, well, thank god he didn't try to
Speaker 1: rape you. I don't even know how to wrap my
Speaker 1: brain around that response. That's insane. It was so like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you're not allowed to say don't be so upset
Speaker 1: about this, but you're saying, don't be so upset about this.
Speaker 1: You got accosted by our boss in a bar full
Speaker 1: of our friends and they looked at the ground because
Speaker 1: they were afraid to confront him. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a life lesson to learn it if this is
Speaker 1: season four, Yeah, we're twenty free years old. The life
Speaker 1: lesson for me is like, never ever ever expect someone
Speaker 1: else to take a risk for you. Just don't, because
Speaker 1: that way, if someone ever does, you can just be
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised and you're not disappointed. But it's so sad.
Speaker 1: It's not though, like we're all grown ups. We all
Speaker 1: handle our own I handle my own ship, and everybody
Speaker 1: can't be willing to take a bullet for everything. Like
Speaker 1: there are things that you have to kind of strategize
Speaker 1: about in your life. And yeah, because because when everything
Speaker 1: came out during the Me Too movement, I felt a
Speaker 1: sense of like members of our crew who I had
Speaker 1: been friends with for a long time tiptoeing around me
Speaker 1: because they didn't know if they were supposed to like
Speaker 1: bring it up or apologize or not apologize, or make
Speaker 1: excuses or disclaimers and like just blanket statement to put
Speaker 1: out into the world. I don't expect anybody to have
Speaker 1: done anything because we were in a different era at
Speaker 1: that point, and there were a couple of people like
Speaker 1: your friend, Sophia, like Steve Allen was my guy. Steve
Speaker 1: Allen was a guy who pushed the dolly for our
Speaker 1: camera on our show and was the safest, warmest, kindest
Speaker 1: place for me and for anybody that went to the
Speaker 1: that One Tree Whole convention we did with Beth Crookham.
Speaker 1: They saw Steve Allen come into the lobby and me
Speaker 1: run across lobby and burst into tears, and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: why is Hillar crying on that guy? Because that's the
Speaker 1: guy that was my safe person special. But to have
Speaker 1: someone like a Steve or you know, like I had,
Speaker 1: will and seth like, I gotta say, I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I remember having the reckoning on our show
Speaker 1: together of going like, oh, all our bosses, all those
Speaker 1: guys who work with our main boss, who talk about
Speaker 1: how we're family and all the things. We're only family
Speaker 1: until us needing help jeopardizes their money. And that was
Speaker 1: such an ugly realization to me. But when you say
Speaker 1: I don't expect anybody to do anything, I sure as do.
Speaker 1: I don't accept that. I don't accept it. Well, now
Speaker 1: you do, but back then, no, I am always has
Speaker 1: been the person who will get involved, who will jump in,
Speaker 1: who will try to shoulder something. And what I find
Speaker 1: unacceptable is that it's usually us. It's the women figuring
Speaker 1: out how to protect each other, how to not let
Speaker 1: somebody go in the room with the boss alone anymore,
Speaker 1: how to make sure we've got a side tex thread
Speaker 1: so that somebody can feel supported when they're being hit
Speaker 1: on inappropriately. And I'm so angry at all of these
Speaker 1: dudes in power who stand around and do nothing. And
Speaker 1: I have sympathy for everyone. You know, you hear that
Speaker 1: thing of like above the line, below the line. I
Speaker 1: hate that, but I get that so many people on
Speaker 1: cruise can't jeopardize their jobs because they can't jeopardize their families.
Speaker 1: But I am not okay with men that are our
Speaker 1: peers or more powerful than us, people like your boyfriend's dad,
Speaker 1: who was the second most powerful person on our set,
Speaker 1: who looked at the ground. And I say this with
Speaker 1: complexity because I loved that person for the nine years
Speaker 1: we did our show. I do too, and I know
Speaker 1: you guys did too. I still have a lot of
Speaker 1: affection for me too. A lot of the people that
Speaker 1: I'm mad at, and I do too, But I'm so mad.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at the other actors who don't do anything.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at the producers who don't do anything because
Speaker 1: we're not supposed to have to do this alone. Do
Speaker 1: you think it's a perfect metaphor that we're covered in
Speaker 1: bruises though for this honestly, yeah, like we're covered in bruises.
Speaker 1: We're just beaten down. That's how I felt, And it's
Speaker 1: the girls always, yeah, and it's tiring. Do you think
Speaker 1: that sometimes the men don't stand up because they think
Speaker 1: we want to fight our own battles and we don't
Speaker 1: want their home, They don't want their money to be
Speaker 1: jeopardized either. No, I believe that there's definitely a part
Speaker 1: of that sometimes, but I do wonder if there's some
Speaker 1: of it that's like should I like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend, Like if she's got this,
Speaker 1: she's taking care of it, like I don't want to.
Speaker 1: The cool guy move is to ask the woman and say,
Speaker 1: are you uncomfortable? Want me to do something? Can I
Speaker 1: stand with you? Yeah? Right, it's so easy. It's a question.
Speaker 1: It's not hard to your point. Joy about the reporting
Speaker 1: and where we go, like running things all the way
Speaker 1: up to HR and then having the most powerful local
Speaker 1: boss in my situation scream at me and tell me
Speaker 1: that I was jeopardizing everybody's jobs because I couldn't quote
Speaker 1: unquote take a dick joke, and I was like, being
Speaker 1: assaulted at work is not a dick joke. I have
Speaker 1: sympathy for the reality that people are scared that you know,
Speaker 1: they're going to put a hole in the ship and
Speaker 1: then the ship is going to sink. But get over
Speaker 1: it and protect your people because this idea that you
Speaker 1: know looking at the ground is okay, it's not. And
Speaker 1: thank god, Hillary that you had that moment with Chad.
Speaker 1: He was already so at odds with our boss. That's it.
Speaker 1: He had nothing to lose, he was like, but by
Speaker 1: the way, he was protected as the numb number one
Speaker 1: on the call sheet. Yeah, he had the most power,
Speaker 1: so he could come up and shove our boss off
Speaker 1: you and get in a fight. And I'm glad that
Speaker 1: he did. I want everybody to follow that lead, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm sweating and am I yelling? I'm so upset.
Speaker 1: This is a sticky episode of all the episodes we've done.
Speaker 1: This one and the all night graduation party are where
Speaker 1: things got incredibly complicated, and you know, when we had
Speaker 1: to revisit all of this stuff for the article that
Speaker 1: came out about our show. Yeah, you know, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of time spent on this era. And so
Speaker 1: it's it's weird to watch because I can see myself
Speaker 1: being super super fake, and I don't know if the
Speaker 1: fans can see, like, I don't know if they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: Hilary seems pretty checked out of this whole scene. She
Speaker 1: waiting to have sex with Lucas forever. We sure wish
Speaker 1: she looked happier about it. I do not read you
Speaker 1: like that at all. But I know what you see
Speaker 1: because there are two and a half years of my
Speaker 1: life on a set like this where I look back
Speaker 1: and I can see, like I think I look like
Speaker 1: a dead person walking. Yeah, like you, I can see
Speaker 1: it on my face, and I don't know that other
Speaker 1: people can are certainly people who don't know you well.
Speaker 1: But it is a weird thing to see. It's like
Speaker 1: you're looking at another person. Yeah. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: be Haley in this episode because you got the cool
Speaker 1: outfit and you got the cool hair. That whole seventies
Speaker 1: vibe was so cute. You've got this safe relationship and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the things were worked by the way. You know
Speaker 1: what melted me. You two in the gazebo and you're saying,
Speaker 1: tell me a secret and I'm going risky. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, tattooed on my body. Like I loved
Speaker 1: that risky. Oh it was so cute and after all
Speaker 1: that sweetness with you two at the problem, it was
Speaker 1: so nice to have a couple to just like feel
Speaker 1: joy for. Yeah, I loved them in this episode. I
Speaker 1: loved my haircut. I was real happy about that haircut.
Speaker 1: I loved this wardrobe. Shout out to Carol Cutshall, our
Speaker 1: wardrobe designer, costume designer. I mean, Chris Keller looked like
Speaker 1: a million bucks in every scene, brilliant costumes for him,
Speaker 1: all of us, like the seventies proms so fun. So
Speaker 1: the seventies problem was so cheat But truly, I took
Speaker 1: a picture on my phone of that frame of Chris
Speaker 1: Keller on the white bench in the purple and white
Speaker 1: suit with the balloons all around him, in the white shoes.
Speaker 1: He Tyler Hilton has never looked cooler. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was obsessed such good wardrobe. We built that gazebo
Speaker 1: and left it as a gift to the town, is true?
Speaker 1: That was like, yeah, that was part of our like
Speaker 1: deal with the town council. Wait, you guys, something really
Speaker 1: stuck out to me because Danielle was getting the ship
Speaker 1: bullied out of her in this episode, and then you've
Speaker 1: got Chris sitting on that bench looking so cool in
Speaker 1: his elvis suit. God, I hope Tyler kept that outfit.
Speaker 1: Not the point, seriously, but it was so interesting to
Speaker 1: me that two of our contest winners came by and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, are you Chris, Kellner. I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: how old are you? And they make fun of him
Speaker 1: for being this old guy at a party trolling for
Speaker 1: younger girls, and I was like, hold on, this whole
Speaker 1: episode is about our older boss being mad at a
Speaker 1: younger girl who doesn't want to what happens too much?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I literally was like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but wait, we're making fun of the creepy
Speaker 1: old guy. I'm confused. Was it like an interjection to
Speaker 1: try to prove he had a sense of humor or
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't know. I loved the scene you had
Speaker 1: with Chris. I thought that was so nice when you
Speaker 1: at the end when you walk up to him on
Speaker 1: the bus and he's like trying to get you in bed,
Speaker 1: and you're so clearly it was a beautiful delivery, which
Speaker 1: is also hard to do when you're when you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be playing drunk and yeah, having like a real
Speaker 1: life realization that is actually not it's it's real. It's
Speaker 1: not something that you're holliconating about in the in the
Speaker 1: moment or you know, feeling overemotional about. Yeah. I love
Speaker 1: that and the way that you guys just decided to
Speaker 1: have a nice chat all night and Brooke has this
Speaker 1: realization about her life and how she wants to change things.
Speaker 1: It was so nice. It was the firm no, Sophia, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: how good does know? And how good it felt? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And what I loved too is that, in a way
Speaker 1: we've seen through the season, Brooke and Nathan recognize their
Speaker 1: similar patterns and lean on each other. And I love
Speaker 1: that in realizing how easy it would be for her
Speaker 1: to just numb out, she says, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be that version anymore, and then kind of calls him
Speaker 1: out to do the same, to grow up a little. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so yeah. I loved it. It felt empowering and fun,
Speaker 1: and I liked being able to voice that there is
Speaker 1: so much growth available on the other side of that
Speaker 1: sort of vulnerability with yourself, like this would be easy.
Speaker 1: This is the thing I do and it's something I
Speaker 1: actually really don't like and it hurts me and I
Speaker 1: think I want to be different. That's so hard to
Speaker 1: admit something about yourself that way, and she does it.
Speaker 1: I got to do it as her in this way.
Speaker 1: That felt awesome. Yeah. I love those moments in life
Speaker 1: because they come around and you can take it when
Speaker 1: it comes like you can grab the bull by the
Speaker 1: horns and be like, here's this opportunity for me to
Speaker 1: acknowledge something I don't really want to acknowledge, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it, and then I'm going to keep
Speaker 1: moving forward with now this new information, because once you
Speaker 1: have new information, it changes everything. Or you can shove
Speaker 1: it down and wait till the next time it comes
Speaker 1: back around, and it's so much harder than next time,
Speaker 1: and it's even harder than time after that. So I
Speaker 1: love watching It's one of my favorite things. So I
Speaker 1: Broke is one of my favorite characters because just like
Speaker 1: ever in the whole history of the teen world that
Speaker 1: we you know has has been given out to us,
Speaker 1: because she's so honest all the time. It's just pure honesty,
Speaker 1: Like this is exactly how I feel, for better or
Speaker 1: for worse. It's I just love that she took it
Speaker 1: in the moment that it was there, she grabbed it
Speaker 1: and went okay, okay, it's time to change, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So when she calls Chris Keller out the next day,
Speaker 1: you said you were going to tell anybody so good,
Speaker 1: so good, well, and in a way like I don't
Speaker 1: know why I have this memory, but I remember when
Speaker 1: we were filming that scene, you and I in the
Speaker 1: gazebo and then he walks up and makes the threesome joke.
Speaker 1: I remember feeling like the energy under the scene for
Speaker 1: me was I warned you about this last night. You
Speaker 1: said you weren't going to do sex jokes today, and
Speaker 1: you did it. So now I'm gonna tell everybody you cried,
Speaker 1: you know, like like I built this little backstory that
Speaker 1: they had agreed that he was going to be better,
Speaker 1: and then the first thing out of his mouth is
Speaker 1: a sex thing and she just eviscerates him, and I
Speaker 1: loved it. It It made me giggle. I'd pay money to
Speaker 1: see that conversation, like her just being like Chris babe, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: why do we always go there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, late
Speaker 1: night drinking tea on the bus. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: that's the improv skit I want to do with Tyler
Speaker 1: at the next convention. Yeah yeah, just be like, let's
Speaker 1: do Brooke and Chris talking about their feelings on the bus.
Speaker 1: Just see where it goes. Yeah. I love it. Well, Hillary,
Speaker 1: you know, I have to say I'm so sorry that
Speaker 1: all that happened to you and the guys. Wait, I
Speaker 1: want to, I know, give you a complement right now,
Speaker 1: because this is important you at the at the expense
Speaker 1: of you know, what you felt like was subpar work
Speaker 1: for you. As Sophia said, we didn't really see that
Speaker 1: that way, but you know what you feel when you're
Speaker 1: at work and you're trying to do your best and
Speaker 1: you're you know, you've always been somebody that looks out
Speaker 1: for everyone. You're like Mama Bear on the set and
Speaker 1: you're always trying to check and make sure everybody's okay.
Speaker 1: And you know, in a time when you were not
Speaker 1: okay and I don't know who was looking out for you.
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't me because I was tied up
Speaker 1: in my own drama and I don't know what. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was James and a Steve Allen, I guess. And
Speaker 1: you know, so if you were there, um, I wish
Speaker 1: I had been more involved. But I just I'm I'm
Speaker 1: impressed and I and I just I guess I wanted
Speaker 1: to say like thank you as a cast, a member
Speaker 1: and a crew member for somebody too. Is just you know,
Speaker 1: you were always looking out for everybody, and even at
Speaker 1: the events of your own work, in times when you
Speaker 1: were going through a lot of shit, and I'm just
Speaker 1: sorry that that all happened to you. And I know
Speaker 1: that you get a lot of times you get which
Speaker 1: you put out, and so I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good things that came out of that, holding that
Speaker 1: space for people, for you, and I hope that there's more.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's all I was. Thank you, Okay, No,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean I this was a
Speaker 1: shy one. Yeah. Yeah, but Tyler and I sing whoa God?
Speaker 1: We sang um? Why was there Elvis and Johnny and
Speaker 1: June Cash. It was like we ended the night on
Speaker 1: a keyboard in the bar and singing Johnny Carter and
Speaker 1: June Cash that we got married in a fever song.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, going to Jackson. Ye please tell me that's
Speaker 1: your karaoke song? Like my god to do some June
Speaker 1: Carter in karaoke? Did you guys? Didn't you karaoke in Honeygrove?
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard about it. It was karaoke
Speaker 1: and it was at the bar. It was just in
Speaker 1: the bar. That's it, you know. It's like hiding in
Speaker 1: the fun Yeah, is my safe space. And so James
Speaker 1: and I stole walkie talkies from the ad department and
Speaker 1: snuck around the whole hotel, spine on people and had
Speaker 1: a great time dream Tyler and I sang karaoke Jojo
Speaker 1: and I line danced with the road crew. I mean
Speaker 1: we hid in the bushes at one point. We were
Speaker 1: definitely weird. Does that man? Like, sometimes you're just going
Speaker 1: through the sh stuff, but then you have all these
Speaker 1: other amazing things happening that It's like, I love that balance.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that all that fun stuff happened in
Speaker 1: honey Grove. Yeah, because it was like we all just
Speaker 1: got to take a big road trip together. How cool.
Speaker 1: It was fun. I wish we'd gotten to do more
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, you know, you guys did it after
Speaker 1: I left. I have information. I'm googling Honeygrove right now.
Speaker 1: Davy Crockett discovered honey Grove and called it Honeygrove because
Speaker 1: of an abundance of honey filled trees in eighteen thirty six.
Speaker 1: Well hot damn kind of funny. Oh and something about coffins.
Speaker 1: It's a hardware store that sells coffins too. That's funny.
Speaker 1: That tracks well, if there's anyone in honey Grove that
Speaker 1: has pictures from our time there. Yes, they're still taking
Speaker 1: pictures in the gazebo, like this is still happening. It's
Speaker 1: so sweet, you guys take pictures or like dig up
Speaker 1: your old pictures from when we were there and please
Speaker 1: tag us in them. Because for all of the rough stuff,
Speaker 1: it was magical. It was and that is a credit
Speaker 1: to the people who were there. If we were dealing
Speaker 1: with people within our own little faction that we're weird,
Speaker 1: the townspeople and the kids of Honeygrove made it magical. Truly.
Speaker 1: We owe them so much excitement. They were so involved,
Speaker 1: they were so like just amazed and excited to watch
Speaker 1: and be a part of it and add great questions.
Speaker 1: And ma'am, we had such a ball meeting with all
Speaker 1: of you guys. Yeah, did anybody keep their outfit? Did
Speaker 1: anybody keep their seculd keep those gold boots though? Damn? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you should have those boots. You know what we should do,
Speaker 1: because now this exists, we should take a little screen
Speaker 1: grab of an episode or of a frame of the
Speaker 1: episode and put them in that reverse searching Google and
Speaker 1: see if we can get them for you. Those Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get all right, great, where the hell out of this?
Speaker 1: Wait you guys, do we have any questions about this episode? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a fan question. Yeah. Caroline wants to know
Speaker 1: when the closing sea of an episode follows into the
Speaker 1: next one, such as Lucas having his heart attack, do
Speaker 1: you film those scenes on the same day or do
Speaker 1: you wait until filming commences for the next episode. Well, ladies,
Speaker 1: you two are the directors, tell her, Yeah, Usually you
Speaker 1: have the other director for the next episode on set
Speaker 1: at the same time, so you film it at the
Speaker 1: same time, unless there's a break, unless it's like season
Speaker 1: to season. I think then, well, I was going to say,
Speaker 1: I've only seen that happen once. What where we've had
Speaker 1: the director and we've been able to be like episode
Speaker 1: four raps at lunch and then episode five picks up.
Speaker 1: Usually you don't get that luxury because directors are coming
Speaker 1: from other shows. They're prepping. The way we would pull
Speaker 1: that off by this point, like season four or five
Speaker 1: on our show is that so often we would have
Speaker 1: recurring directors, So like if Greg Prange was directing and
Speaker 1: then our boss was directing, they would coordinate that. But
Speaker 1: if we had visiting directors, which is what most shows do.
Speaker 1: And you know what is more common. Oh man, it
Speaker 1: would be so rough to like finish a cliffhanger and
Speaker 1: then eight days later have somebody new come in and
Speaker 1: like there's just somebody with a computer being like, this
Speaker 1: is the frame. You have to match this frame. I
Speaker 1: don't remember that, that's so funny. I really just remember
Speaker 1: having a guest director come in and they would like
Speaker 1: overlap the day if it was maybe if it's like
Speaker 1: a giant stunt is what I'm thinking, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: getting hit by a car, that one was an overlap.
Speaker 1: So I remember having to direct because that requires like
Speaker 1: a street closure and a stunt team and a drive
Speaker 1: right right, But that's rare, you mean, it was expensive,
Speaker 1: just an actor having to match. They're like, it's an actor.
Speaker 1: Make them do it there. They're like, oh, you did
Speaker 1: this three weeks ago. You need to cry exactly the
Speaker 1: same way today. But if but if they hit to
Speaker 1: pull a permit, they're going to get both of those
Speaker 1: directors on set at the same time, and they would
Speaker 1: they would always have like it was Paul or Greg.
Speaker 1: It was always one of our local people that just
Speaker 1: lived there. Anyway. The second director exactly, yeah, exactly, easy, easy, guys,
Speaker 1: should we spin a wheel? Let's hey honorable mentioned to
Speaker 1: Um Brooks showing us how to wrap a curl around
Speaker 1: a barrel in this episode instead of shamping it in
Speaker 1: and rolling it, because that's what everybody was doing at
Speaker 1: the time, and it was like Sophia always ahead of
Speaker 1: the curves. She's like, I'm gonna show you all. What
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm like, no, no, don't fry your ends, baby,
Speaker 1: So good. Okay, somebody read it? What's our wheel? Now?
Speaker 1: We just have an air wrap? But we didn't have
Speaker 1: that then? Oh? Um, is this for me? Who's the
Speaker 1: most likely to eat pizza for breakfast? Someone spied on me?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Is that all of us? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't eat breakfast. I drink coffee. Uh man, So
Speaker 1: it's definitely not me. It's you and I though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's around, I'm gonna eat it. If it's in
Speaker 1: the fridge, I don't care what time it is. I
Speaker 1: think it's like a childhood trigger, Like I love cold
Speaker 1: pizza for breakfast because I would do it all the
Speaker 1: time when I was a kid. If my parents ordered
Speaker 1: pizza the night before, I'd wake up and just like
Speaker 1: cal pizza man as I walk onto the bus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now as an adult, I still love cold pizza.
Speaker 1: But if I'm in the mood to be fancy, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me put the pizza in the air fryer and
Speaker 1: make an egg and then we put an egg on.
Speaker 1: So nice. Oh that's so good. Yeah, I've never experienced.
Speaker 1: I will make you breakfast pizza. It's delicious. Get ready
Speaker 1: like an over medium egg. Oh well, now the broken
Speaker 1: peyton her roommates, you can make her egg pizza. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's happening in the next episode. It's season four, episode eighteen,
Speaker 1: the Runaway. Oh, I bet they find Abby and like
Speaker 1: everything's gonna start hitting the fan. Okay, Yeah, I'm so
Speaker 1: sad for us that we're gonna soon have to find
Speaker 1: out what Dan did because everyone's gonna sob and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be depressing. Eron, damn it. I will say, we
Speaker 1: all know how hard it is sometimes to stand up
Speaker 1: when terrible things are happening around you. What has saved us,
Speaker 1: I think, is that we had each other find one
Speaker 1: other person and like go to bat for them and
Speaker 1: let them go to bat for you, Because very often
Speaker 1: if somebody. If the first person says something, other people
Speaker 1: feel much more secure to get in line and add
Speaker 1: to that chorus. And so you know, something that you
Speaker 1: all talk to us a lot about is loving our
Speaker 1: friendships and the way we show up for each other.
Speaker 1: And we have learned that in the best of times
Speaker 1: and in the literal worst of times, like we talked
Speaker 1: about in this episode. You know things that happened to
Speaker 1: many of us during filming of this show and even
Speaker 1: years later. We have consistently brought a rallying cry and
Speaker 1: that can really make all the difference. So if you
Speaker 1: can do that for somebody, we highly recommend it. And
Speaker 1: we love you all right you guys, thanks for bearing
Speaker 1: with us on this really complicated episode. Who we love you,
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